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From : roy

Q: azwiley1 thought everyone should know on jul 6 1253 pm tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote i give it 8 days! your becoming a optimist larry!! 2 weeks min!! they gonna have to get star center involved and everything *grin* sorry tom just my pessimistic forecast -- chris .

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From : nosey

beekeep wrote but they do help not putting as much money in the ragheads pockets. perhaps but doubtful. oil companies have heavy investments in most alternative energy r&d and production. .

From : mac davis

on sun 15 jul 2007 131959 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote i know i know. but they gotta get new material the usual crap is old been rehashed soooo many times it is friggin mind numbing. bfg roy hey bro... what kind of torque wrench do ya think works best on a hybrid *eg* mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on sun 15 jul 2007 080729 -0400 denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote ask your buddy snoidiot. im sure hes been plowing with one for the last twenty years....and with bias ply tires on it.... denny i have the feeling that sno is a hybrid... part bs part liar and a large dose of legend in his own mind... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : miles

craig c. wrote oh ... he also owns and drives a lexus hybrid suv. is that just a front too miles gore stated publicly that he rarely drives it. he travels on jets and then rents large sedans...not hybrids or even economy cars. .

From : roy

i need to remove the wiper arms from the post on a 95 dodge ram truck. flip the arm up and youll see a latch plate sticking out. pull this latch plate out and lift the arm off the stud. you shouldnt need any tools but if you do be gentle. .

From : bob m

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From : azwiley1

dennys a technician i thought he was a rabbit rabbit technician -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author about the only professional service technician around here that id believe without question would be mike simmons. aw now ya gone and done it... denny - he meant you as well. really... he did. as for the self-proclaimed professional above.... well im just touched he cares enough to write my name down. damn near brings a tear to my eye lemme tell ya. .

From : chris thompson

didnt disconnect the ctm ... when i removed the fuse for the seat belt module killed the back feed to the wipers and radio as these are fed from a common circuit acc 31. okay - you should do that and check the radio with it disconnected. you want to make sure its really a fault inside the ctm and not a wiring problem or even some other component thats back-feeding the accessory circuit. if you disconnect the wiring from the ctm and the radios still energized well - its obviously not a problem within the ctm itself. after that id try the radio disconnect it re-connect the ctm and see if the wipers work with the ignition off. is the ctm feed from the acc 31 circuit as well yes . its got a couple of different power feeds into it... one is an always-on feed from the battery the other is the acc31 circuit from fuse #6. .

From : denny

in the hayes manual availible at allmost any auto parts store. and if they dont have that ask em if theyve got a haynes manual ^ thanks for the info but i found the problem was in the harnes that goes tho the firewall bad conetion so i bypassed it . thanks larman .

From : nosey

problem definitely is the seat belt control module. pulling the fuse that feeds the sbcm solved the problem i was having with high iod and killing both batteries in about a week. ctm is working properly. cant find this part sbcm listed at any of the online parts houses. anyone ever changed one of these modules any ideas on how much they are tia fred didnt disconnect the ctm ... when i removed the fuse for the seat belt module killed the back feed to the wipers and radio as these are fed from a common circuit acc 31. okay - you should do that and check the radio with it disconnected. you want to make sure its really a fault inside the ctm and not a wiring problem or even some other component thats back-feeding the accessory circuit. if you disconnect the wiring from the ctm and the radios still energized well - its obviously not a problem within the ctm itself. after that id try the radio disconnect it re-connect the ctm and see if the wipers work with the ignition off. is the ctm feed from the acc 31 circuit as well yes . its got a couple of different power feeds into it... one is an always-on feed from the battery the other is the acc31 circuit from fuse #6. .

From : mac davis

on jul 16 348 am tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote someone from chrysler said it is likely a problem with the throttle position sensor yes a faulty tps technically called an apps accelerator pedal position sensor in that model year is certainly in the top 5 possibilities. but the guys at aamco say it doesnt have one...not sure as im with them on that....can anyone tell me where it is located if it has one...and what it looks like. that would worry me because yes there absolutely is one. look on the drivers side of the engine at the front. there will be a black plastic shroud round at the front. under that is the apps - its got two throttle cables going to it one from the pedal in the cab and one from the transmission and an electrical harness. if you dont find it there then its located under the drivers side battery box very late-model 03s relocated the apps to this location. any ideas anyone. several. first check the ecm ground - remove the ecm silver box with three big connectors on it passenger side firewall and clean the are around the screw holes it grounds itself through the case. you can also run a wire from the ecm mounting screw directly to the battery negative. also check the body ground behind the passenger side battery. again make sure you have true metal-to-metal contact on the ground terminal. finally find the wire from the alternator to the passenger-side battery positive terminal and wrap it in aluminum foil. strange as it sounds electrical noise from the alternator can interfere with the pcm. with the electrical grounding/noise problems addressed if you still have the problem check the apps sensor for any kind of erratic behavior your tranny shop should be able to do this once you show them where its located. check the brake switch to make sure its not the cause of the problem. i think i should have started here in the gorup rather than buggering around with the dealership and tranny shop.........thanks for all the great info....now ive got something to do tonight. thanks ...rob .

From : denny

hmm ive been around here long enough to know that tom posts excellent information i even consider him the go to guy on most threads. i havent read any advice from a professional service technician in this thread which begs the question why are professional service technicians frequenting this ng if not to provide help is it only to shoot down those who do provide assistance to other diy types i have no problem paying for the time and expertise of technicians doctors farmers police etc. etc. however i find it curious that some one would spend so much time typing a response to a post that one disagrees with without providing any information relevent to the op. on jul 14 1017pm tom lawrence this is symptomatic of a low refrigerant charge. you have a leak somewhere. whether its a very slow leak or a larger one can only be determined by proper troubleshooting either by recharging with a leak detecting dye and looking for the source of the leak with a black light or by recharging and using an electronic refrigerant detector something only a professional shop would have. ========== ========== you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. as a side note....... we do appreciate you not including any reference to any religious beliefs....as this seems to cause extensive and lengthy off topic discussion which takes away from the intent of this ng which as we all know...... is only to help those in need......not to hender the process. facts substantiating listing poster on yardbird watch 1 autozone......carries a fine high quality affordable user friendly assortmant of uv detection doityerselferandbreakit.......ac kits. if further evidence is needed.....please feel free to forward a written request..mark it....attention....yardbird tech watch. and well git back to you.....as soon as we can......or later......or maybe........or........if we want to...........or......we may opt to disregard any and all correspondence from you. fortunately the professional service technicians i deal with dont display the attitude expressed above. marsh sips his crownroyal........file 13s the posting .

From : miles

youre not giving marsh a fair shake max! hes a professional trainer for daimler chrysler and is involved at a very high level particullary in the transmission sector. heres marsh in a chrysler transmission training film http//www.youtube.com/watchv=pbvy5tebzlg excellent video!!!! -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. interesting...... considering that tom posts with a better information-to-bullshit ratio than the professional service technicians and that the professional service technicians have been wrong in the past and that the professional service technicians dont post here nearly as reliably as tom does and finally that the professional service technicians usually fail to post any information to prove tom wrong whilst claiming tom to be full of crap i think ill take toms advice over the professional service technicians. about the only professional service technician around here that id believe without question would be mike simmons. i can name at least two professional service technicians who after a lengthy argument finally agreed that i a lowly yardbird might actually know something. well at least one of them did. the other not so much. youre not giving marsh a fair shake max! hes a professional trainer for daimler chrysler and is involved at a very high level particullary in the transmission sector. heres marsh in a chrysler transmission training film http//www.youtube.com/watchv=pbvy5tebzlg .

From : roy

on sat 14 jul 2007 103504 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote btw im not trying to stir up a hornets nest or anything but your admiration for al gore is totally unfounded in fact. the man is nothing more than a first class hypocrit who is using his greenness or perception of same for political capital and/or $$$ capital. mike but... but... *sputter* hes a god mike... he invented the internet... he also spent a short protected time in nam.. must be war hero too ya know bro now that ya mention it at least gore showed up. i get a kick out of the vp with all his bs and flag waving he never showed up either roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on sun 15 jul 2007 131959 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote i know i know. but they gotta get new material the usual crap is old been rehashed soooo many times it is friggin mind numbing. bfg roy hey bro... what kind of torque wrench do ya think works best on a hybrid *eg* hmmm perhaps a green beam.vbg roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on sat 14 jul 2007 142048 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote based on everything ive found to read toyota seems to have their act together on the hybrids.seems they have been doing hybrids longer that anybody else. im leaning real hard towards the camry for a couple of reasons. the big one is you have a good chance of surrvival if you bend them up. my brother the one with the lexus hybrid claims that most of the other hybrids are using systems licensed by toyota... i have no idea if thats fact or fiction just thought it would be nice to say something ontopic once in a while.. thanks bro. seems the camry is like a baby lexus roy mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : roy

bigironram wrote max dodge wrote marsh monster wrote you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. interesting...... considering that tom posts with a better information-to-bullshit ratio than the professional service technicians and that the professional service technicians have been wrong in the past and that the professional service technicians dont post here nearly as reliably as tom does and finally that the professional service technicians usually fail to post any information to prove tom wrong whilst claiming tom to be full of crap i think ill take toms advice over the professional service technicians. about the only professional service technician around here that id believe without question would be mike simmons. i can name at least two professional service technicians who after a lengthy argument finally agreed that i a lowly yardbird might actually know something. well at least one of them did. the other not so much. youre not giving marsh a fair shake max! hes a professional trainer for daimler chrysler and is involved at a very high level particullary in the transmission sector. heres marsh in a chrysler transmission training film http//www.youtube.com/watchv=pbvy5tebzlg theres info on the history of marshs turbo encabulator here http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/retro-encabulator ;^ bryan .

From : roy

on sat 14 jul 2007 103504 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote btw im not trying to stir up a hornets nest or anything but your admiration for al gore is totally unfounded in fact. the man is nothing more than a first class hypocrit who is using his greenness or perception of same for political capital and/or $$$ capital. mike but... but... *sputter* hes a god mike... he invented the internet... he also spent a short protected time in nam.. must be war hero too mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : roy

you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. interesting...... considering that tom posts with a better information-to-bullshit ratio than the professional service technicians and that the professional service technicians have been wrong in the past and that the professional service technicians dont post here nearly as reliably as tom does and finally that the professional service technicians usually fail to post any information to prove tom wrong whilst claiming tom to be full of crap i think ill take toms advice over the professional service technicians. about the only professional service technician around here that id believe without question would be mike simmons. i can name at least two professional service technicians who after a lengthy argument finally agreed that i a lowly yardbird might actually know something. well at least one of them did. the other not so much. youre not giving marsh a fair shake max! hes a professional trainer for daimler chrysler and is involved at a very high level particullary in the transmission sector. heres marsh in a chrysler transmission training film http//www.youtube.com/watchv=pbvy5tebzlg .

From : chris thompson

in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. you started a thread....what did you think happened youve been around this group for how long and didnt think starting a thread could lead to this sheesh man!!! yer getting older than i gave you credit for gbmfg yup you are correct. figured that it was time to lighten things up a bit nawww not around here! *grin* the politics was old and tiresome imo. ok ill spot ya that but arent they always and i still want more info on these hybrids. ya aint gonna get it!!!!!!!!!!! no shit weve started a perfectly good political argument i know i know. but they gotta get new material the usual crap is old been rehashed soooo many times it is friggin mind numbing. bfg roy gbmfg -- chris .

From : roy

tom... your response solution for a very small hard to detect a/c leak is right on but begs the following question. a leak that takes a year or more to lose enough refrigerant to cause more than occasional bubbles visible thru the sight glass is the situation im in. i last summer my ac worked as you describe. i had a local tech put guages on it this spring when i found it to be not working. he claimed that the orifice tube was clogged. i cannot prove this one way or the other. what i saw in your op was that you always had pressure which leads me to the full description of my problem this spring..... two years ago the ac failed noticably in the evaporator core which is under the dash. i replaced this and the accumulator and had a professional do the recharge. the ac worked but not as well as thought it ought to compared to the factory charge. last year the ac worked about half as well as the prior year. i was broke so i recharged from a can. this appeared to work although the compressor still cycled. i waited a month and no improvement. so i set the lone guage of the can filler on the low pressure side and observed. pressure would go down until the compressor came on... odd i thought.... the tech claimed i had too much in ths system which is very possible and that the orifice tube was clogged. once i had replaced that my evap core wanted to be replaced again. this too was done. the tech then tested and filled the system properly and my ac works like it did when new. i think you may need to replace the evaporator core the orifice tube and the accumulator. parts cost is about $200-$225 iirc. here is why evap core is likely the slow leak you cannot find. if your shop claims that none of the ac system shows the dye ask them to spot the drain tube or the suspension under the drain tube. the evap core is the main source of leaks in these trucks so id look there first. that is why using dye is not the best idea. one really should not be putting anything inside their a/c except for refrigerant. a refrigerant detector is very sensative and can even dectect the tiniest leak. the accumulator is what cleans and filters the refridgerant so replacing it adds a measure of reliability to the system. the orifice tube is what meters the r134 turning it into a gas that flows through the evap core making the core cold. it can clog according to the tech causing very odd readings on the guages and a continuous cycling of the compressor when the refridgerant is full or above full. if youd like to try replacing the evap core yourself let me know i have pics of replacing mine. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author tom... your response solution for a very small hard to detect a/c leak is right on but begs the following question. a leak that takes a year or more to lose enough refrigerant to cause more than occasional bubbles visible thru the sight glass is the situation im in. the system holds vacuum after complete evacuation rendering an opinion from the a/c shop that all is fine. the same shop two years earlier inspected with full system using a black light etc and found no leaks. refilled system and added dye. today no dye is visible but system has lost refrigerant as stated earlier. have you or any other contributor to this forum had any experience with products that claim to be able to stop very small a/c leaks just by adding the product to the a/c system. this is similar with those stop leaks for radiators that ill never use again or recommend as my experience with my one time use just to save radiator shop cost was a disaster. the product blocked many non problematic sections of the radiator causing overheating that resulted in a radiator shop visit anyway. am i into a similar possibility with stop leak product far a/cs skgmi.7774$od7.5159@read1..pas.earthlink.net tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote my 99 doge ram has a low side pressure that goes up to 60 down to 15 when compressor kicks in compressor goes on and off every few seconds or so this is symptomatic of a low refrigerant charge. you have a leak somewhere. whether its a very slow leak or a larger one can only be determined by proper troubleshooting either by recharging with a leak detecting dye and looking for the source of the leak with a black light or by recharging and using an electronic refrigerant detector something only a professional shop would have. .

From : azwiley1

on sun 15 jul 2007 070204 -0500 larman larman56@hotmail.com wrote on jul 14 1034pm larman larma...@hotmail.com wrote dont have any lights 91 dakoda. all went at once strange how whould one check the switch it does have the dome light. stump larman ============ ============ one would use a wiring schematic. ps......... did you know........... that if you rearrange the lettersof your name that is spells......... a plum smartn think maybe...yer daddy was sendn you a secret incoded sarcasm anywhooooooo.......... thats what one would do. marsh fires up the homegrown.........sips his mushroom tea where whould i fine a wiring schematic. at in the hayes manual availible at allmost any auto parts store. beekeep .

From : denny

in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. you started a thread....what did you think happened youve been around this group for how long and didnt think starting a thread could lead to this sheesh man!!! yer getting older than i gave you credit for gbmfg yup you are correct. figured that it was time to lighten things up a bit nawww not around here! *grin* the politics was old and tiresome imo. ok ill spot ya that but arent they always and i still want more info on these hybrids. ya aint gonna get it!!!!!!!!!!! weve started a perfectly good political argument gbmfg -- chris .

From : roy

you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. interesting...... considering that tom posts with a better information-to-bullshit ratio than the professional service technicians and that the professional service technicians have been wrong in the past and that the professional service technicians dont post here nearly as reliably as tom does and finally that the professional service technicians usually fail to post any information to prove tom wrong whilst claiming tom to be full of crap i think ill take toms advice over the professional service technicians. about the only professional service technician around here that id believe without question would be mike simmons. i can name at least two professional service technicians who after a lengthy argument finally agreed that i a lowly yardbird might actually know something. well at least one of them did. the other not so much. -- max sits back drops lit match and wonders if mm will stop drinking while typing or if his post will cause mm to drink more of that foul crown royal stuff...... ought to switch to tullimore dew 12. join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on jul 14 1017pm tom lawrence this is symptomatic of a low refrigerant charge. you have a leak somewhere. whether its a very slow leak or a larger one can only be determined by proper troubleshooting either by recharging with a leak detecting dye and looking for the source of the leak with a black light or by recharging and using an electronic refrigerant detector something only a professional shop would have. ========== ========== you have posted misinformation in an ng frequented by professional service technicians. we regret to inform you that you are on official yardbird advice watch. we greatly regret this haveing to take this action however if your future replies are based on fact solely on fact and entirely on grounded on factual content.......we will release you from this watch list. however further posting of misinformation may can will and most likely......cause you to recieve blatant and derogeratory .....flaming and acuasutory replies from the professionals who frequent this ng. as a side note....... we do appreciate you not including any reference to any religious beliefs....as this seems to cause extensive and lengthy off topic discussion which takes away from the intent of this ng which as we all know...... is only to help those in need......not to hender the process. facts substantiating listing poster on yardbird watch 1 autozone......carries a fine high quality affordable user friendly assortmant of uv detection doityerselferandbreakit.......ac kits. if further evidence is needed.....please feel free to forward a written request..mark it....attention....yardbird tech watch. and well git back to you.....as soon as we can......or later......or maybe........or........if we want to...........or......we may opt to disregard any and all correspondence from you. marsh sips his crownroyal........file 13s the posting .

From : chris thompson

dont have any lights 91 dakoda. all went at once strange how whould one check the switch it does have the dome light. stump larman .

From : roy

in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. you started a thread....what did you think happened youve been around this group for how long and didnt think starting a thread could lead to this sheesh man!!! yer getting older than i gave you credit for gbmfg yup you are correct. figured that it was time to lighten things up a bit. the politics was old and tiresome imo. and i still want more info on these hybrids. ask your buddy snoidiot. im sure hes been plowing with one for the last twenty years....and with bias ply tires on it.... denny .

From : denny

tom... your response solution for a very small hard to detect a/c leak is right on but begs the following question. a leak that takes a year or more to lose enough refrigerant to cause more than occasional bubbles visible thru the sight glass is the situation im in. the system holds vacuum after complete evacuation rendering an opinion from the a/c shop that all is fine. the same shop two years earlier inspected with full system using a black light etc and found no leaks. refilled system and added dye. today no dye is visible but system has lost refrigerant as stated earlier. have you or any other contributor to this forum had any experience with products that claim to be able to stop very small a/c leaks just by adding the product to the a/c system. this is similar with those stop leaks for radiators that ill never use again or recommend as my experience with my one time use just to save radiator shop cost was a disaster. the product blocked many non problematic sections of the radiator causing overheating that resulted in a radiator shop visit anyway. am i into a similar possibility with stop leak product far a/cs skgmi.7774$od7.5159@read1..pas.earthlink.net tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote my 99 doge ram has a low side pressure that goes up to 60 down to 15 when compressor kicks in compressor goes on and off every few seconds or so this is symptomatic of a low refrigerant charge. you have a leak somewhere. whether its a very slow leak or a larger one can only be determined by proper troubleshooting either by recharging with a leak detecting dye and looking for the source of the leak with a black light or by recharging and using an electronic refrigerant detector something only a professional shop would have. .

From : miles

my 99 doge ram has a low side pressure that goes up to 60 down to 15 when compressor kicks in compressor goes on and off every few seconds or so this is symptomatic of a low refrigerant charge. you have a leak somewhere. whether its a very slow leak or a larger one can only be determined by proper troubleshooting either by recharging with a leak detecting dye and looking for the source of the leak with a black light or by recharging and using an electronic refrigerant detector something only a professional shop would have. .

From : miles

in responce to roy s post. i thought everyone should know hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. you started a thread....what did you think happened youve been around this group for how long and didnt think starting a thread could lead to this sheesh man!!! yer getting older than i gave you credit for gbmfg -- chris .

From : craig c

1184456819.117124.324910@n60g2000hse.googlegroups.com marsh monster marshmonster2624@aol.com wrote on jul 14 427pm msi...@comcast.net wrote my 99 doge ram has a low side pressure that goes up to 60 down to 15 when compressor kicks in compressor goes on and off every few seconds or so ============= ============= thank you......... for sharing with us. as a reward for your willingness to share with the ng we would like to offer you a one time free trial of our trouble shooter service. in order to take advantage of this one time free offer........simply post a question....and tellm marshmonster said they should answer it for you ......at no...no....no........charge!!!!!! oh great another fooking service writer giving away labor time... again thankyou for sharing with us and welcome to the group........ we hope you find the experience as enjoyable as we do. it was a good one! .

From : craig c

snomiles wrote youve done no such thing! mostly just a bunch of typical liberal debate tactics of foul mouthed ranting. dont forget about the graph and figures i posted that your data backed up. homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr dont forget that you still have not admitted your repeated error that the economy is out pacing bushs spending. dont forget these figures that you snipped and never had any comments on hrm ... i wonder why under reagan 8 years the debt increased 1.9 trillion. debt/spending outpaced the economy. under daddy bush 4 years the debt increased 1.3 trillion. debt/spending out paced the economy. under clinton 8 years the debt increased 1.6 trillion. economy out paced the debt. under dubya 6 years the debt has increased 3.2 trillion and rising. debt/spending is out pacing the economy. of the 9 trillion in debt republicans are responsible for 6.5 trillion. gore and his power hungry 20 bedroom mansion is somehow preferable to liberal enviromentalists than bushs built from the ground up energy efficient home. fact is you know *nothing* about bushs home other than what the one right wing reporter had to say in one article. i read it too. only in a liberal world!! still no source for your baseless accusations about gore. provide something besides your opinion and well keep talking snomiles. craig c. .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote what source is it then the name of the program/electricity plan is green power switch. it is a plan that and i quote consumers opt to pay a premium to their utility in exchange for a promise that the utility will obtain that electricity from renewable sources usually wind. here ill give you a link since you cant seem to find it for yourself http//www.tva.gov/greenpowerswitch/ now ive done enough of your research for you. think you can figure it out from here burden of proof is on you and you have none. i suggest you let it go. heres a suggestion quit wasting your time looking for evidence that you will not find. try looking at what gore is doing and realize that he is making a difference. again id probably do some things different if i were him but i admire his efforts and so should you. and if it makes you feel better i admire bushs *personal* efforts on his home. his political choices regarding the environment i have zero respect for. the article indicated it was a local utility which purchases power from the tva which is not by your standards green. your article was inaccurate. youll have to do better than that. website and they do not offer clean power in tn.... this from their website... i cant help it if you cant find your own mud to sling. carbon offsets may be acceptable to you in an attempt to assuage your guilty conscience but they are mere snake oil. i agree. 99% of carbon offsets are a farce. some are legit but very very few. as i said im not joining this pissing contest between you and miles.... oh but you have. no i have not. really did a mean ole democrat make you respond wait i bet it was gore or clinton that made you get involved right you and miles blame them for everything else ... why not this i am however pointing out the hypocrisy of mr gore et al. i have yet to see any proof from you or miles. just opinion. not my opinion i have posted links. your link is inaccurate and is the product of a right wing tennessee political organization. youve been had. nor am i in yours. just trying to bring factual info to the table rather that lefty propaganda. or righty propaganda you seem to be okay with that. your toothless right wing pals from tennessee made up a load of b.s. and you took it hook line and sinker. what were your words mike facts are nasty ugly inconvenient things...... i love it when shit backfires. for example miles cant even bring himself to answer the following question instead he wants to talk about carter. will you answer it or puss out like snomiles how in the world can you call the republican party conservative i dont recall that i did can you show me where i did the question was originally posed to snomiles. can i assume by your statement that you do not consider the republican party conservative if that is the case were in agreement. so do you find it amazing that the so called conservative party is responsible for 6.5 trillion of the 9 trillion dollar debt i find it hilarious. whats even funnier than that is watching miles try to defend them. yes you have that right. there is no constitutional prohibition to being a boor but profanity and ad hominem attacks add no credence to your argument. sure is fun tho ... and it doesnt change the fact that you or snomiles cannot provide a single shred of evidence to support any of your claims about gore. in fact i just sunk your hopes of trying to pin dirty power usage on gore. sorry about that. dont like it dont read it. i shant. well good then. perfect timing. im leaving on vacation in the morning anyhow. craig c. .

From : craig c

roy wrote who makes the volt for chevy my understanding is that it is purely a gm created and built product. http//www.chevrolet.com/electriccar/ http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/chevroletvolt i saw it at the car show. some great things there. i hope it sees the light of day. more than that i hope they can make it affordable. last i read the target price was $110k. craig c. .

From : miles

roy wrote i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. well thats not all but well let it go at that. - now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! im looking seriously at the civic hybrid. i am changing jobs and wont be able to ride the light rail anymore. i drove a friends civic last week. seems well put together but a bit too small. also im a little leery of honda as they are dropping the accord hybrid. brings to mind the number of folks trained to fix them. the prius does have slightly better mpg numbers however i swore i would never buy another toyota product. i got a lemon and they tried every way possible to shirk their responsibility to make it right. like anything else every so often you get a pos. i had a toy 4x4 25 years ago it was a good piece. based on everything ive found to read toyota seems to have their act together on the hybrids.seems they have been doing hybrids longer that anybody else. im leaning real hard towards the camry for a couple of reasons. the big one is you have a good chance of surrvival if you bend them up. honda will likely get my money on this purchase. i was hoping the chevy volt would be available ... but no such luck. who makes the volt for chevy roy craig c. .

From : kyhighlander

mike simmons wrote craig you are reading that statement out of context... remember high school punctuation i do. the hyphens separate the clause from the sentence. to read it in context is..... and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases ... actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all the the writer is stating that the carbon offsets are of dubious value which was the crux of my message. have you actually read the entire article unsubstantiated b.s. for example where gore gets his power. he says coal-fired plant. not true. one more time he purchases his electricity from a green-power source wind solar hydro. much like this one www.greenmountain.com what source is it then the article indicated it was a local utility which purchases power from the tva which is not by your standards green. if you think that it is green mountain then you are incorrect. i visited their website and they do not offer clean power in tn.... this from their website... we do not offer a cleaner electricity product in your area. however we do offer begreensm carbon offsets a simple way to offset your households carbon footprint and take steps towards becoming a carbon neutral citizen. carbon offsets may be acceptable to you in an attempt to assuage your guilty conscience but they are mere snake oil. the issue is not power consumption its the harm resulting from the consumption. the actual electricity is clean. little or no pollution resulting. we can argue all day about how much power he uses. i really dont care. as long as its 1 renewable and 2 clean. and it is. the rest of the argument is ridiculous right wing crap. as i said im not joining this pissing contest between you and miles.... oh but you have. no i have not. i am however pointing out the hypocrisy of mr gore et al. i have yet to see any proof from you or miles. just opinion. not my opinion i have posted links. im not interested in your opinion. nor am i in yours. just trying to bring factual info to the table rather that lefty propaganda. also you vehemently and profanely accuse miles of being brainwashed by the right wing. actually close minded is what i was thinking. i would submit that miles is pointing out that in his opinion opinions are all he and apparently you are capable of giving. no valid proof. just accusations and smoke screens. you are in fact guilty of being brainwashed by the left funny. in my lifetime if i counted i bet serious coin that i have voted for more republicans. i am also a true conservative the way i live my life and those that i vote for for public office. i am not however so fucking blind to see that republicans-in-name are destroying the american way of life. democrats are guilty of it too. however to listen to miles if dems went away and republicans ran the show wed have no problems and everything would be perfect. that simply is not the case and there are volumes evidence to support it. for example miles cant even bring himself to answer the following question instead he wants to talk about carter. will you answer it or puss out like snomiles how in the world can you call the republican party conservative i dont recall that i did can you show me where i did or fiscally responsible when they are directly responsible for 6.5 trillion of the 9 trillion dollar debt although he is being much more civil. hey im just exercising my 1st amendment rights. yes you have that right. there is no constitutional prohibition to being a boor but profanity and ad hominem attacks add no credence to your argument. dont like it dont read it. i shant. mike craig c. .

From : kyhighlander

i have been watching these for a while and cant wait to see one come out. http//www.zapworld.com/zapworld.aspxid=4560 .

From : craig c

i cut one of the service techs hair from the gm dealer here in my town and he told me there was one of the hybrids they sold that has had to have the batteries changed 3 times in less than a year under warrenty. said the guy was going to crap when the warrenty ran out and he had to pay for them himself. they run over $1000 each and there are 2 of them. dont know if he was truthful or he just didnt like the hybrids but i dont think i want one now. lol ky anybody have any good info on them which is better and so on. would like opinion based on fact not supposition. tia roy .

From : roy

my 99 doge ram has a low side pressure that goes up to 60 down to 15 when compressor kicks in compressor goes on and off every few seconds or so .

From : craig c

hi all! just getting back to troubleshooting my dead battery problems. installed an ammeter and found a draw of around 0.35 amps with the iod fuse in place. can anyone verify if this reading would be typical 99 ctd sport quad cab short box tia fred .

From : craig c

roy wrote i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! no thanks to the dems lack of support for our troops. gw fed a needed war up and the dems have done what they can to make it even worse. both sides are a disaster and neither has a clue towards a solution. .

From : craig c

miles wrote im just wondering if craig has used all combinations of 4 letter words yet. how about all of them in a single post im sure if i do youll take issue with the order in which i use them and then blame it on gore or clinton. craig c. .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote craig you are reading that statement out of context... remember high school punctuation i do. the hyphens separate the clause from the sentence. to read it in context is..... and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases ... actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all the the writer is stating that the carbon offsets are of dubious value which was the crux of my message. have you actually read the entire article unsubstantiated b.s. for example where gore gets his power. he says coal-fired plant. not true. one more time he purchases his electricity from a green-power source wind solar hydro. much like this one www.greenmountain.com the issue is not power consumption its the harm resulting from the consumption. the actual electricity is clean. little or no pollution resulting. we can argue all day about how much power he uses. i really dont care. as long as its 1 renewable and 2 clean. and it is. the rest of the argument is ridiculous right wing crap. as i said im not joining this pissing contest between you and miles.... oh but you have. i am however pointing out the hypocrisy of mr gore et al. i have yet to see any proof from you or miles. just opinion. im not interested in your opinion. also you vehemently and profanely accuse miles of being brainwashed by the right wing. actually close minded is what i was thinking. i would submit that miles is pointing out that in his opinion opinions are all he and apparently you are capable of giving. no valid proof. just accusations and smoke screens. you are in fact guilty of being brainwashed by the left funny. in my lifetime if i counted i bet serious coin that i have voted for more republicans. i am also a true conservative the way i live my life and those that i vote for for public office. i am not however so fucking blind to see that republicans-in-name are destroying the american way of life. democrats are guilty of it too. however to listen to miles if dems went away and republicans ran the show wed have no problems and everything would be perfect. that simply is not the case and there are volumes evidence to support it. for example miles cant even bring himself to answer the following question instead he wants to talk about carter. will you answer it or puss out like snomiles how in the world can you call the republican party conservative or fiscally responsible when they are directly responsible for 6.5 trillion of the 9 trillion dollar debt although he is being much more civil. hey im just exercising my 1st amendment rights. dont like it dont read it. craig c. .

From : miles

roy wrote i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. well thats not all but well let it go at that. - now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! im looking seriously at the civic hybrid. i am changing jobs and wont be able to ride the light rail anymore. the prius does have slightly better mpg numbers however i swore i would never buy another toyota product. i got a lemon and they tried every way possible to shirk their responsibility to make it right. honda will likely get my money on this purchase. i was hoping the chevy volt would be available ... but no such luck. craig c. .

From : roy

craig c. wrote again what is your complaint that he makes money on these investments i invest in companies that sell products that i created. is that unethical snomiles he calls these purchases of his carbon offsets to offset his wastefulness when his main goal is only to make a ton of money. not use less energy or pollute less. what i got rid of my gas guzzling truck and bought an economy car. what have you done i dont know why he needs it. do you maybe he uses most of the rooms to organize his staff and administer staff 20 bedrooms to house people that pick up his crap good grief. if bush is such a great environmentalist why did he relax epa standards he didnt. clinton made changes in his last days of office that were not substantiated by any reseach whatsoever and bush put them back where they had been the entire time of clintons years. .

From : craig c

miles wrote what the fuck does carter have to do with anything its just another of your smoke screens. because it is you who keeps touting how great the dems are. um ... no i havent. in fact my words were 6/10/2007 at 335 pm even clinton a money grubbing democrat had more money sense than bush. does that sound like i am touting greatness periods vs. reps. then get back to me. get back to you how about you answer this question which i have now asked about 12 times and you snip it every time how in the world can you call the republican party conservative or fiscally responsible when they are directly responsible for 6.5 trillion of the 9 trillion dollar debt cant answer it can you craig c. .

From : mike simmons

craig c. wrote i think they are nothing more than a rip-off scheme. the idea of purchasing a carbon offset trusting that someone else somewhere is going to negate the extra pollution being produced is a farce. that is precisely how gore claims he is green with his massive wasteful home that you keep defending. his home is not green one tiny bit. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here you have doubts about a link now thats funny since you keep posting a link from a totally unknown person without any references even cited to back a single thing up. and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases - excuse me carbon offsets purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. typical liberal spin at its worst. the author is pointing out that there is no evidence to support the concept of carbon offsets in improving the environment. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. bull. gore buys from a company he himself partly owns. his idea of carbon offsets is nothing more than a huge cash cow for him. all the while claiming he is green. have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks i have. so has bush to a far larger degree than gore and his wasteful mansion. why does such an environmentalist need a 20 bedroom mansion that consumes over 200000kwhs bushs home is puny in comparison at 4000sf but that includes the guest house as well. hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened stay the hell out of this roy! i am sorry mike. wtf could i have been thinking!! bfg roy ;^ mike i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote i think they are nothing more than a rip-off scheme. the idea of purchasing a carbon offset trusting that someone else somewhere is going to negate the extra pollution being produced is a farce. that is precisely how gore claims he is green with his massive wasteful home that you keep defending. his home is not green one tiny bit. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here you have doubts about a link now thats funny since you keep posting a link from a totally unknown person without any references even cited to back a single thing up. and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases - excuse me carbon offsets purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. typical liberal spin at its worst. the author is pointing out that there is no evidence to support the concept of carbon offsets in improving the environment. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. bull. gore buys from a company he himself partly owns. his idea of carbon offsets is nothing more than a huge cash cow for him. all the while claiming he is green. have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks i have. so has bush to a far larger degree than gore and his wasteful mansion. why does such an environmentalist need a 20 bedroom mansion that consumes over 200000kwhs bushs home is puny in comparison at 4000sf but that includes the guest house as well. hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened stay the hell out of this roy! ;^ mike i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. .

From : miles

miles wrote oh yes so when there arent any hybrids someone preaching how we should conserve and pollute less is forced to rent a gas guzzling 4 door lincoln town car. good grief!! and still ... no source/proof to back up your prior or current accusations. youre like a bird swooping in to this ng dropping a load of unsubstantiated shit then flying out. youre the snoman of politics. go fuck yourself. lying sack of shit. i teach my kid have her read this forum with your posts. shell learn all about how liberals talk and debate. at 10 years old even she could shoot holes in any of your arguments. i have provided fact figures graphs and reliable sources in our past discussions. accusations and avoidance of facts that shoot you down is what you give in return. even right wing or republican debaters do better than you. snomiles. craig c. .

From : chris thompson

project - replace the 46re in my 98 5.9/auto/4wd zj with a 5spd from 98 5.9/5spd/4wd ram or dakota build is for street performance not off road use. probably wont b mega horsepower maybe 400 at most. slightly confused on the crank/flywheel/trans issue. 1. the 5.2 is external balance the 5.9 is internal so they us different flywheels but the mopar site shows one flywheel p/n# for 5.2/5.9l and different flywheel p/n# for the 5.9 magnum. so a used flywheel would have to come from a 5.9 magnum and not th stock 5.9 2. are the 5spd models different depending on whether the truck has 5.2 a 5.9 or a 5.9 magnum 3. i believe im looking for an nv3500 or is it the nv3550 what ar the horsepower ratings and which years will fit the nv4500 is bullet proof but has a granny 1st and i more suitable for off road use 4. how can i tell which vehicles have close ratio 5. does the v8 dakota have the same drivetrain and 5 speed models a the ram 6. anyone installed a 5spd into an obdii mopar vehicle that originall came with an auto 7. can my jeep pcm be reflashed so its not looking for auto tran inputs or can i reflash the pcm from a 5.9/5spd/4wd ram with my vin and mileage o whatever i cant pass ma vehicle inspection with a cel on. any help is appreciated. the answers dont have to be too long o involved. mostly looking to clarify the flywheel/trans model issue. thanks. joh .

From : roy

miles wrote wastefulness when his main goal is only to make a ton of money. not use proof no just more opinion. money is not his goal. he already has plenty of it. what i got rid of my gas guzzling truck and bought an economy car. good. i admire your efforts. youre in az iirc. do they offer grid power generated by the solar farms what have you done 1 i have solar panels that provide about 50% more if it would ever stop raining of my power consumption which is about 700 kwh per month during the summer. 2 the power from the grid that i do use comes from 100% wind power. www.greenmountain.com 3 m-f i walk to the bus stop where i ride the bus to the light rail station. i ride the light rail to work and school when in session and back home. 4 i use all energy efficient bulbs. 5 last year i sold my 2500 square foot house and moved myself and my family into a 1400 square foot home. 6 hung ceiling fans in every room turn the thermostat up. 7 had 24 of insulation blown into my attic. 8 replaced the 10 seer a/c unit with a 18 seer unit. 9 my lady and i use bio-diesel b20 in our vehicles when we must drive. 10 reduce reuse and recycle. 11 i invest a good portion of my retirement money in environmental company stock. 12 about to replace my gas hot water heater with a hot-water-on-demand system. my families carbon footprint which is a poor way of measuring environmental impact is 6 tonnes. after more solar panels and perhaps my own wind turbine i hope to shove my extra clean power back into the grid to help mitigate the 6 tonnes. that is my carbon offset. if bush is such a great environmentalist why did he relax epa standards he didnt. clinton made changes in his last days of office that were not substantiated by any reseach whatsoever and bush put them back where they had been the entire time of clintons years. - so then you admit that we have gone backwards he un-did the positive changes in place when he took office i have three 3 binders full of his environmental deeds. i can also point you to numerous online resources if you like. most of them are lefty but that does not change the deed committed. you just have to read past the emotional drama. in short hes no friend of the environment. hes a friend of the corporations that are destroying it. especially oil and gas. he directly relaxed pollution standards for them http//www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0308-02.htm craig c. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote i think they are nothing more than a rip-off scheme. the idea of purchasing a carbon offset trusting that someone else somewhere is going to negate the extra pollution being produced is a farce. that is precisely how gore claims he is green with his massive wasteful home that you keep defending. his home is not green one tiny bit. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here you have doubts about a link now thats funny since you keep posting a link from a totally unknown person without any references even cited to back a single thing up. and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases - excuse me carbon offsets purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. typical liberal spin at its worst. the author is pointing out that there is no evidence to support the concept of carbon offsets in improving the environment. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. bull. gore buys from a company he himself partly owns. his idea of carbon offsets is nothing more than a huge cash cow for him. all the while claiming he is green. have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks i have. so has bush to a far larger degree than gore and his wasteful mansion. why does such an environmentalist need a 20 bedroom mansion that consumes over 200000kwhs bushs home is puny in comparison at 4000sf but that includes the guest house as well. hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i started this friggin thread to see if anbody knew anything about hybrid cars. wtf happened i think we all can agree the gw has fucked up with the war. now how about some info on the damn cars!!!!! i gotta give craig a point or two for the snomiles. that was funny. sorry miles. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote what the fuck does carter have to do with anything its just another of your smoke screens. because it is you who keeps touting how great the dems are. tell me all about how great carter is and his effect on the economy. you talk about debt only. how about how peoples lives were when dems were in power vs. reps look at unemployment inflation interest rates during dems periods vs. reps. then get back to me. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote as i stated previously when you have the kind of money that bush has there is no excuse not to use alternative energy. then why do you excuse gore his home is not energy efficient at all. he claims to offset his excessive use by buying into alternative renewable energy sources. a company he himself partially owns. he is making himself a ton of money through his own excessive use. gore and his carbon credit scheme is just that...a scheme for the rich filthy liberal he is. .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote ummmm. craig would you believe this it comes from a liberal source..... http//www.commondreams.org/views01/0429-03.htm hell ignore the facts and harp on the rest of the articles rhetoric. such as yes the same george w. who believes arsenic and drinking water might not be such a bad combo. thats a liberal spin on what actually took place. during the last week of clintons term he signed an order to set the allowable arsenic to lower levels than the fda had set. he did so without any data to back up his reasons nor what costs of methods were needed. just set the limit lower. if this was such a good thing then why did clinton wait until the week he was leaving office politics is why. he knew it was a level that could not be met and bush had no choice but to change it back to what the fda had already determined. the public doesnt often look any deeper than the surface which suggests that lowering the levels must be a good thing without looking into how thats achieved. nor would they look at why the fda had already determined the best level that could be achieved. .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote ummmm. craig would you believe this it comes from a liberal source..... http//www.commondreams.org/views01/0429-03.htm thats my first read at that particular article. facts are nasty ugly inconvenient things..... not to me. i never presented an argument against or for bushs environmental efforts at his home. it is merely a smoke screen thrown up by snomiles to cover his lack of knowledge about gores home. as i stated previously when you have the kind of money that bush has there is no excuse not to use alternative energy. snomiles can make excuses all day long why americans cant afford hybrids and alternative means of energy production but the simple facts are that the vast majority can afford it. that fact is the nasty ugly inconvenient thing at least in snomiles world. craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote a spokeswoman for gore said he invests enough into green power renewable energy sources such as solar wind and methane gas to balance 100% of his electricity costs. carbon credits is a left wing spin that allows the rich liberals to do anything they want as long as they can afford it. where in the statement from his spokeswoman does it mention carbon credit or offsets he purchases green power as i have stated previously. this gentleman begs to differ with your analysis craig. http//billhobbs.com/2007/02/moreongore.html btw im not trying to stir up a hornets nest or anything but your admiration for al gore is totally unfounded in fact. the man is nothing more than a first class hypocrit who is using his greenness or perception of same for political capital and/or $$$ capital. mike as i thought you have nothing nada zero evidence. youre a puppet of the right wing media. btw im still waiting on the source stating that gore intentionally chooses to rent gas guzzling lincolns and not hybrids. craig c. .

From : craig c

miles wrote wasteful home that you keep defending. his home is not green one tiny bit. prove it. your accusation miles ... not mine. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here you have doubts about a link now thats funny since you keep posting a link from a totally unknown person without any references even cited to back a single thing up. my link did not contain the words and it is not clear ... get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. typical liberal spin at its worst. the author is pointing out that there is no evidence to support the concept of carbon offsets in improving the environment. incorrect. he is unclear how this particular carbon offset program works. in other words hes ignorant and posting opinion. no wonder you like him. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. bull. gore buys from a company he himself partly owns. his idea of carbon offsets is nothing more than a huge cash cow for him. all the while claiming he is green. again what is your complaint that he makes money on these investments i invest in companies that sell products that i created. is that unethical snomiles have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks i have. what so has bush to a far larger degree than gore and his wasteful mansion. - again with bush. i have no argument about bushs home. you have this fascination with bringing him up in every discussion. you have a fetish for him apparently. why does such an environmentalist need a 20 bedroom mansion that consumes over 200000kwhs i dont know why he needs it. do you maybe he uses most of the rooms to organize his staff and administer his efforts on bringing about awareness about environmental issues. maybe not. i have no idea and neither do you. bushs home is puny in comparison at 4000sf but that includes the guest house as well. - bush again. thats great snomiles. which room is yours if bush is such a great environmentalist why did he relax epa standards why did he let corporations start deciding whether or not they would comply with clean air and clean water regulations craig c. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote i think they are nothing more than a rip-off scheme. the idea of purchasing a carbon offset trusting that someone else somewhere is going to negate the extra pollution being produced is a farce. that is precisely how gore claims he is green with his massive wasteful home that you keep defending. his home is not green one tiny bit. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here you have doubts about a link now thats funny since you keep posting a link from a totally unknown person without any references even cited to back a single thing up. and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases - excuse me carbon offsets purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. typical liberal spin at its worst. the author is pointing out that there is no evidence to support the concept of carbon offsets in improving the environment. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. bull. gore buys from a company he himself partly owns. his idea of carbon offsets is nothing more than a huge cash cow for him. all the while claiming he is green. have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks i have. so has bush to a far larger degree than gore and his wasteful mansion. why does such an environmentalist need a 20 bedroom mansion that consumes over 200000kwhs bushs home is puny in comparison at 4000sf but that includes the guest house as well. .

From : miles

miles wrote first prove your rhetoric!! you post some obscure unknown private individuals chart that you say disputes the data i posted. anyone can provide a link to say anything they want and thats what you were forced to do. you couldnt find anything credible to support your biased rhetoric. i have nothing to prove. you do. apparently you think you can prove me wrong. you havent done so yet. here ... since you blew right over this again of the 9 trillion dollars in current debt republicans are responsible for 6.5 trillion. how do you explain this something tells me your going to snip this question again. quite the opposite. you presented a link to the treasury departments numbers ... which proved the data i presented. moron. they showed the truth. right which is what i posted. whats your point that i posted a graph drawn by someone other than a bush disciple it doesnt negate the facts snomiles. prove what i posted to be incorrect smart guy. im not going to debate mother fucking carter with you. you are the one that started ranting about dems vs. reps and now you refuse to discuss how carter did huh i see only pick and choose what agrees with your bias. how liberal of you! what the fuck does carter have to do with anything its just another of your smoke screens. now how about you address the real issue how in the world can you call the republican party conservative or fiscally responsible when they are directly responsible for 6.5 trillion of the 9 trillion dollar debt come on snomiles answer the question. let me guess it was those mean ole dems that forced the republican president to spend right craig c. .

From : miles

mike simmons wrote http//billhobbs.com/2007/02/moreongore.html btw im not trying to stir up a hornets nest or anything but your admiration for al gore is totally unfounded in fact. bwhahahahhahahaha. where exactly do you get that i have admiration for al gore i admire his efforts. there is a big difference. the man is nothing more than a first class hypocrit who is using his greenness or perception of same for political capital and/or $$$ capital. perhaps but that isnt the argument. the argument is about right wing nut jobs actually proving their accusations. which snomiles cannot do. he just talks. since snomiles and now you cant get the carbon credit/offset out of your one-track minds ill give my opinion about them i think they are nothing more than a rip-off scheme. the idea of purchasing a carbon offset trusting that someone else somewhere is going to negate the extra pollution being produced is a farce. frankly i have my doubts about your link. mainly because of this comment right here and it is not clear at all that gores stock purchases - excuse me carbon offsets purchases - actually help reduce the use of carbon-based energy at all get that it is not clear. in other words the author has no fucking clue what events are transpiring behind the scenes. hes guessing like snomiles and now you. ill say again the power being used at the gore household is clean power. he is remodeling the home to be completely self sufficient. for all i know hes done with it already. he owns and drives hybrid vehicles. what else would you have him do have you done anything yourself to reduce pollution and dependence on foreign oil or are you simply throwing rocks craig c. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote wow this is getting good! mike throw a little more fuel on the fire please im just wondering if craig has used all combinations of 4 letter words yet. how about all of them in a single post .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote alright dickhead. prove that it is inaccuratoe. first prove your rhetoric!! you post some obscure unknown private individuals chart that you say disputes the data i posted. anyone can provide a link to say anything they want and thats what you were forced to do. you couldnt find anything credible to support your biased rhetoric. quite the opposite. you presented a link to the treasury departments numbers ... which proved the data i presented. moron. they showed the truth. youve found some unknown unsubstantiated person nobody knowns about to support your spin on factual data. im not going to debate mother fucking carter with you. you are the one that started ranting about dems vs. reps and now you refuse to discuss how carter did huh i see only pick and choose what agrees with your bias. how liberal of you! .

From : craig c

wow this is getting good! mike throw a little more fuel on the fire please .

From : tbone

tbone wrote yawn the difference was in the other indicators that you fail to mention imagine that. oh do tell tbone. tell us what published standard indicators are different. .

From : miles

miles wrote as i stated previously when you have the kind of money that bush has there is no excuse not to use alternative energy. then why do you excuse gore - fuck youre a moron. i have not excused gore. rather shot your baseless arguments down. 1 other than what i read in the paper i have no idea of the facts surrounding his efforts to remodel his home which is an older home. he did not build it. he is having to remodel it for energy efficiency which if you know anything about the subject now theres a stretch you know that it takes more time and much more effort especially when the city and the hoa are fighting you than building one from the ground up. 2 you know less than i do about it. watching you burp and fart your facts is no less than hilarious. im sure that if i were to know the specifics of gores environmental efforts at home there are likely things i would do different. my education gives me access to technologies and methods that im sure he has no clue about. however he is making an effort ... more of an effort than most americans. if he was doing nothing at all your argument/complaint would make sense. his home is not energy efficient at all. efficiency was never the argument. it was the source of the power that is used. is it renewable yes. is it clean yes. the rest of your argument means squat. he claims to offset his excessive use by buying into alternative renewable energy sources. a company he himself partially owns. he is making himself a ton of money through his own excessive use. coming from a republican which values the corporation and the money it generates over the individual ... what exactly is your complaint that he is making money that he invested wisely gore and his carbon credit scheme is just that...a scheme for the rich filthy liberal he is. again the only person that has mentioned carbon credit is you. you have provided no proof or source. try this prove to me that gore uses energy produced from non-green sources. then prove to me that gore has not done his utmost in dealing with the city and hoa in lifting the restrictions for solar and wind power. remember snomiles the accusations are yours. the burden of proof is on you. i dont want your opinion i want hard facts. can you provide that or are you going puss out again craig c. .

From : craig c

snomiles wrote youve done no such thing! mostly just a bunch of typical liberal debate tactics of foul mouthed ranting. dont forget about the graph and figures i posted that your data backed up. homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr dont forget that you still have not admitted your repeated error that the economy is out pacing bushs spending. dont forget these figures that you snipped and never had any comments on hrm ... i wonder why under reagan 8 years the debt increased 1.9 trillion. debt/spending outpaced the economy. under daddy bush 4 years the debt increased 1.3 trillion. debt/spending out paced the economy. under clinton 8 years the debt increased 1.6 trillion. economy out paced the debt. under dubya 6 years the debt has increased 3.2 trillion and rising. debt/spending is out pacing the economy. of the 9 trillion in debt republicans are responsible for 6.5 trillion. gore and his power hungry 20 bedroom mansion is somehow preferable to liberal enviromentalists than bushs built from the ground up energy efficient home. fact is you know *nothing* about bushs home other than what the one right wing reporter had to say in one article. i read it too. ummmm. craig would you believe this it comes from a liberal source..... http//www.commondreams.org/views01/0429-03.htm facts are nasty ugly inconvenient things..... mike only in a liberal world!! still no source for your baseless accusations about gore. provide something besides your opinion and well keep talking snomiles. craig c. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote dont forget about the graph and figures i posted that your data backed up. homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr oh yes. some individual nobody knows makes up his own page and you use that as your argument good grief!! thats the best a liberal can do is to post some totally unknown individuals chart under clinton 8 years the debt increased 1.6 trillion. economy out paced the debt. it did no such thing. i already showed you why and you refuted it by posting a totally unknown unsubstantiated graph from some guy nobody knowns on the internet. too funny. of the 9 trillion in debt republicans are responsible for 6.5 trillion. look at it from the turn of the century as a % of gdp then get back to me. the economy has been dismal under the democrats on average. how did carter do tell me all about the wonderful economic conditions under carter. .

From : miles

miles wrote oh yes. some individual nobody knows makes up his own page and you use that as your argument good grief!! thats the best a liberal can do is to post some totally unknown individuals chart alright dickhead. prove that it is inaccurate. can you actually backup your accusation this time last time you tried to zing me with your proof it only further proved the data that i presented. know why the data in the graph came from your source. idiot. under clinton 8 years the debt increased 1.6 trillion. economy out paced the debt. it did no such thing. i already showed you why and you refuted it by posting a totally unknown unsubstantiated graph from some guy nobody knowns on the internet. too funny. quite the opposite. you presented a link to the treasury departments numbers ... which proved the data i presented. moron. of the 9 trillion in debt republicans are responsible for 6.5 trillion. look at it from the turn of the century as a % of gdp then get back to me. oh this is rich ... now you want to talk % of gdp. tell you what idiot i already rammed the numbers down your fucking throat in our last debate about this. go back and re-read the thread called re ot pingmiles and the rest of the repubs. that took place the middle of june. while youre reading notice how often you throw up smoke screens to cover your inept arguments. the economy has been dismal under the democrats on average. how did carter do tell me all about the wonderful economic conditions under carter. im not going to debate mother fucking carter with you. quit bringing up shit that has no bearing. classic snomiles argument ... start talking about other things to cover your ignorance. the facts are simple. of the current 9 trillion dollar debt 6.5 trillion was generated by republicans. can you admit that no more smoke screens who are you going to bring up next jfk craig c. .

From : miles

wayne i dont haul with my dually but with 4.11 gears i first got 15.4 mpg at sustained speed of 100 kph. i now have 27000 miles on the clock and i generally see 18+ mpg. i have seen 19.3 over 1 tank of fuel. mileage starts dropping dramatically past 80 kph but that is probably due to the 4.11s. the ideal engine speed for economy is 1850 rpm and 600 f degrees egt. steve we just came back from our 3600 km 2235 mile round trip to winnipeg. we have a new 2500 2007 ram quad cab with the 5.9 ctd. we are towing a 25 road ranger 252t travel trailer weighing in at around 8600 lbs. we started the trip with about 2366 km 1470 mi on the odometer. the tt is pretty well a solid wall going 100 km / hour 62 mph with very little for aerodynamics. we averaged 13.5 mpg 17.42 l/100 km on the way out with no wind but got down to 11.5 mpg 20.45 l/ 100 km on the way back with a 30 km 18 mph head wind. we pretty well stayed at 110kph 68 mph on the highway in tow/haul mode.i love the new automatic tow/haul mode we did get around 17.5 mpg 13.44 l/100 km running around the city without the trailer. we now have 5957 km on the odometer. what is a realistic expectation for mileage is 13.5 mpg normal or am i just too impatient as it is still getting broke in i have seen different people on the group say they get 15 mpg 15.68 l/100 km towing their trailers. i am pretty sure it will get better.i hope. dont get me wrong this thing beats the heck out of my 2004 5.7 hemi. it got 6.5 mpg pulling the same trailer. either way i can never go back now that i have gone over to diesel. wayne .

From : tbone

craig c. wrote i never said that i had not heard. you however have no idea what the circumstances were. as i stated previously hybrids are very difficult if not impossible to rent in most markets even today but especially august 3rd 2004. idiot. oh yes so when there arent any hybrids someone preaching how we should conserve and pollute less is forced to rent a gas guzzling 4 door lincoln town car. good grief!! go fuck yourself. lying sack of shit. i teach my kid have her read this forum with your posts. shell learn all about how liberals talk and debate. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote lol a bunch of if whats and maybes. in many cases a battery fails because a cell was defective and in the case of these batteries it makes perfect sense to have the ability to replace just one or two cells if needed. what a bunch of unsubstantiated bs. yea what you said was but i tried to be nice. hybrids have been on the road for several years now. really!!! i didnt know that - talk to your local dealer. i have. name the dealer. they have never once replaced a single cell. a few times the entire battery pack but never a single cell. nice try though tom! wow a whole single dealer. since single cell replacement is a very new thing i dont doubt that they havent replaced a single cell and since all of those cars are still under warranty they just replace the entire pack. as you said nice try. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : craig c

tbone wrote tbone wrote which means that while most of the rich are getting richer the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit. lol i never said that it only applies to the rich but it can only apply to the rich if they are the ones making all of the money. just above you replied to my question about the economy doing well. you mentioned it means that the rich are getting richer and the rest are static or taking a hit worse. i then asked if the market indicators that you liberals touted that showed a good economy under clinton now suddenly only apply to the rich. sounds like you pick and choose to fit your personal beliefs. now you are simply spinning yourself. as i asked before ill ask again when did i ever use these bogus numbers to back up anything. the answer is i never did because they are meaningless without the data that created them. indicators are just that indicators. these indicators only show gross values not what is creating them and thats what makes them failrly worthless by themselves. then why did so many liberals use those very same indicators to tout the great economy under clinton if now youre saying theyre worthless. pick and choose at will huh tbone yawn the difference was in the other indicators that you fail to mention imagine that. sorry miles but you really dont know wtf you are talking about. it is a meaningless report as to the increase or decrease in salary. only a single person salary report would indicate which way the salary for specific fields are going. tom the same reports show the number of people in the workforce. do the math! lol that is also a meaningless number. if it goes up which im sure that it did as it pretty much always does it simply means that more people are working but even in my example that you deleted once again imagine that the number increased in part because more people needed to work due to reduced salaries and if it goes down that could be indicating that people on unemployment have run out of time and are now considered no longer looking for work. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

miles wrote craig it is no secret that gore rented a lincoln town car in oregon and promptly got a speeding ticket. its ironic that you havent heard about it when it was all over the . i never said that i had not heard. you however have no idea what the circumstances were. as i stated previously hybrids are very difficult if not impossible to rent in most markets even today but especially august 3rd 2004. idiot. now if i show you a link will you apologize for your pure bs i want a link that states that gore *prefers* renting a lincoln over hybrids and his public statement that he rarely drives his lexus hybrid and his prius as you indicated when you said 7/7/07 at 808 pm. gore stated publicly that he rarely drives it. he travels on jets and then rents large sedans...not hybrids or even economy cars. you have not proved a thing other than your incompetence. which is a regular thing for you. like your glaring incompetence that bushs spending is out pacing the economy. you never retracted that even after i rammed the facts down your throat using your data. hell no you wont. nuff said. some peoples kids. go fuck yourself. lying sack of shit. i teach my kid to stand behind her statements using people like you as an example of how *not* to be. craig c. .

From : miles

we just came back from our 3600 km 2235 mile round trip to winnipeg. we have a new 2500 2007 ram quad cab with the 5.9 ctd. we are towing a 25 road ranger 252t travel trailer weighing in at around 8600 lbs. we started the trip with about 2366 km 1470 mi on the odometer. the tt is pretty well a solid wall going 100 km / hour 62 mph with very little for aerodynamics. we averaged 13.5 mpg 17.42 l/100 km on the way out with no wind but got down to 11.5 mpg 20.45 l/ 100 km on the way back with a 30 km 18 mph head wind. we pretty well stayed at 110kph 68 mph on the highway in tow/haul mode.i love the new automatic tow/haul mode we did get around 17.5 mpg 13.44 l/100 km running around the city without the trailer. we now have 5957 km on the odometer. what is a realistic expectation for mileage is 13.5 mpg normal or am i just too impatient as it is still getting broke in i have seen different people on the group say they get 15 mpg 15.68 l/100 km towing their trailers. i am pretty sure it will get better.i hope. dont get me wrong this thing beats the heck out of my 2004 5.7 hemi. it got 6.5 mpg pulling the same trailer. either way i can never go back now that i have gone over to diesel. wayne .

From : miles

tbone wrote tbone wrote which means that while most of the rich are getting richer the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit. lol i never said that it only applies to the rich but it can only apply to the rich if they are the ones making all of the money. just above you replied to my question about the economy doing well. you mentioned it means that the rich are getting richer and the rest are static or taking a hit worse. i then asked if the market indicators that you liberals touted that showed a good economy under clinton now suddenly only apply to the rich. sounds like you pick and choose to fit your personal beliefs. indicators are just that indicators. these indicators only show gross values not what is creating them and thats what makes them failrly worthless by themselves. then why did so many liberals use those very same indicators to tout the great economy under clinton if now youre saying theyre worthless. pick and choose at will huh tbone sorry miles but you really dont know wtf you are talking about. it is a meaningless report as to the increase or decrease in salary. only a single person salary report would indicate which way the salary for specific fields are going. tom the same reports show the number of people in the workforce. do the math! .

From : miles

thanks tom i managed to get my hand in there enough to push the hose back on the nozzle without removing the arm. i have rather large hands so this is saying a lot. my wife couldnt help she has small hands but one is broken from the air bag in a head on collision about 2 weeks ago. i need to remove the wiper arms from the post on a 95 dodge ram truck. flip the arm up and youll see a latch plate sticking out. pull this latch plate out and lift the arm off the stud. you shouldnt need any tools but if you do be gentle. .

From : roy

craig c. wrote btw im still waiting on the source stating that gore intentionally chooses to rent gas guzzling lincolns and not hybrids. oh ya i am sure that the oregon airport he rented from only had lincoln town cars available. just picked a bad day to travel im sure. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote and ... you still have yet to prove anything. you have no sources no credible information and zero credibility of your own. oh now thats funny. you keep blabbing about his home using renewable clean sources and have cited zip nada nothing! some peoples kids. http//www.enn.com/today.htmlid=12602 he didnt even apply for those solar panels until he had already lived in the house for 3 years. his previous house also was not energy efficient and clean. nor are his other vacation homes. dang liberal hypocrites! .

From : miles

miles wrote lying sack of shit. craig c. why do liberals always resort to such debate tactics every time too funny. still no source eh miles now that is funny. liar. craig c. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote lying sack of shit. craig c. why do liberals always resort to such debate tactics every time too funny. .

From : miles

miles wrote you telling me that al gores oregon speeding ticket in a rented lincoln town car is to you well that doesnt surprise me. cite your fucking source stating that he does not rent hybrid or economy vehicles ... but only gas guzzling lincolns. dont have a source do you miles lying sack of shit. craig c. .

From : tbone

you have it backwards. the 5.9 that i used was externally balanced. the harmonic balancer and flywheel have bobweights oposite each other the 5.2 in my 96 had no bobweights on either the balancer or the flywheel. i suppose that it is possible that there have been different 5.9 balancing schemes but i do not know. typically low performance high torque application use external balancing schemes and high performance engines use internal balancing as a general rule. flywheels from 5.2 engines are more readily available than from 5.9 engines. they all will fit. they are all the same diameter and bolt pattern. as i understand it the nv35xx gear is for gasoline engined light trucks 1500 the nv4500 was used on 2500/3500 trucks with the cummins or the v10. the 35xx gears are not close ratio but 1st gear is not a granny gear. close ratio gears do not work with heavy vehicles and never installed on them. a close ratio gear would typically have a 2.2 to 1 first gear. a standard ratio like the nv3500 will have a 2.5 first gear. it is the weight of the vehicle and expected load that determines what gear is installed not just the engine. the nv3500 will handle the horsepower. its limitation is max torque and shock. the nv3500 has an aluminum ribbed case and i believe the nv4500 has an iron case. this conversion is impractical is you are buying all new parts. it will only make sense if the parts are sourced in bone yards. you will need the pedal assembly the hydraulic clutch components throw-out z88z steve z88z wrote project - replace the 46re in my 98 5.9/auto/4wd zj with a 5spd from a 98 5.9/5spd/4wd ram or dakota build is for street performance not off road use. probably wont be mega horsepower maybe 400 at most. slightly confused on the crank/flywheel/trans issue. 1. the 5.2 is external balance the 5.9 is internal so they use different flywheels but the mopar site shows one flywheel p/n# for 5.2/5.9l and a different flywheel p/n# for the 5.9 magnum. so a used flywheel would have to come from a 5.9 magnum and not the stock 5.9 2. are the 5spd models different depending on whether the truck has a 5.2 a 5.9 or a 5.9 magnum 3. i believe im looking for an nv3500 or is it the nv3550 what are the horsepower ratings and which years will fit the nv4500 is bullet proof but has a granny 1st and is more suitable for off road use 4. how can i tell which vehicles have close ratio 5. does the v8 dakota have the same drivetrain and 5 speed models as the ram 6. anyone installed a 5spd into an obdii mopar vehicle that originally came with an auto 7. can my jeep pcm be reflashed so its not looking for auto trans inputs or can i reflash the pcm from a 5.9/5spd/4wd ram with my vin and mileage or whatever i cant pass ma vehicle inspection with a cel on. any help is appreciated. the answers dont have to be too long or involved. mostly looking to clarify the flywheel/trans model issue. thanks. john great info steve! you came through once again! ok ive boosted my knowledge base in the last week so in spite of the length of this post i think theres really only two or three main questions that should be pretty easy to answer. the only issues now 1 still not sure what trans im looking for. 2 one more basic ecm/pcm question. 3 how do i find out if a used trans is close ratio. lots of little question below here but again i really only need two or three answered. im mostly concerned with finding a trans preferably close ratio that will work. i dont really need answers or info about all the various trans listed here unless theres more than one application for my swap. if you have the time and info though thats good too. was the 5spd ram you put the 5.9 into a 4wd truck if it is 4wd what trans is it and how much horsepower are you putting through it im looking to do some performance mods but im not talking crazy hp here. id be lucky if i got anywhere near 350hp. again im hoping to use dodge parts from a donor truck. not going for a mega-dollar buildup here. maybe im chasing a ghost but im almost sure i had seen 1500 laramies with 5.9 magnum/5spd/4wd for sale very rarely in our local wantads. if so what 5spd would be in that or is it like this 5.9magnums/4wd only have autos. 5.9/5spd/4wd only have non-magnum 5.9. 5.9magnum 5spd are only made for 2wd trucks i hope not! other trans questions any of the following applicable nvg3500 - different from the nv3500 nv3500 only good for 400hp or even less nv3500 has fixed bell housing and the nv3550 is removable nv3550 was not used as a factory dodge application but can be adapted nv4500 can this trans be regeared with a more streetable close ratio gearset nv35xx series can be close or wide ratio if true how do i find out which ratio a used trans has electronics question so engine and trans functions are controlled through the ecm but the pcm is a whole different animal and as lon

From : craig c

i really doubt if the goodyear blimp could hoist your ass....... denny look at ya!! i make one remark about wc and you respond with a uncalled for attack. bullshit... nah you were wrong. g never.... ah buddism huh im shattered. the fuck you are..... oh but i was devesitated. my ass... is very wide! bfg so to recover while you have your fat ass at work hanging over the fender of some 200 degree engine i will drive my skinny ass to the beach for a few hours the bathtub at home aint big enough to get both cheeks in and play in the surf and watch the girls. yup watchin is about all you can do. while you spend time gazeing at the idiot. in disbelief...... i can believe that. oh at around noon while your circling the roach coach like a friggin buzzard no rc at our place. now ifn ya said the break room and microwave........ what happened the rc couldnt hold enogh slop to feed ya one of those wagons came around the shop about 10-15 years ago. its hard to believe that somebody could actually sell that crap. its even harder to believe that somebody would buy it more than once..... says the bunny who worships wc!!! g ill pop a cool beer and toast ya. and thats the first thing ive agreed with ya on this year... good job!! thank you!! your welcome... okay!!! roy denny .

From : craig c

miles wrote no he has not. prove it. his people are the ones who stated that he invests in clean energy sources to create his invention of carbon credits that makes his waste acceptable. the only person talking about carbon credits is you. youre such a simple minded fool miles. no matter what the topic you find a way to defend bush and slam all dems. youre like a broken record. youre pathetic. i see. what you are doing is defending anything gores says or does no matter what the topic. dang liberal hypocrites. you have yet to prove anything. i dont need to defend gore. youve got nothing nada zilch evidence that proves that he is anything other than what i have stated in this thread. put up or shut up miles. craig c. .

From : tbone

i heard that the first zjs in 93 had an option for a 5-speed on the 6-cylinder models so you might score a set of pedals and a center console from a boneyard. having done an auto-to-manual conversion thats a big deal. as far as i can tell the 5.9l was never offered in a 1/2 ton model with a 5-speed because the nv3500 is not rated for the torque. the 5- speed 5.9l models are in 3/4 ton and are nv4500. the nv4500 most likely will not fit under the floor of a zj. a buddy of mine put an nv4500 in a yj and takes up most of the space even with a 3 body lift. i wanted a 5-speed 4wd 5.9l dakota but it was never made probably because the transmission wont fit under the floor. so you could use the nv3500 and hope it doesnt break. everybody said a t5 wouldnt live behind a chevy 350 but i tried it anyways. it broke. on jul 12 918 am diesel...@aol-dot-com.no-spam.invalid z88z wrote project - replace the 46re in my 98 5.9/auto/4wd zj with a 5spd from a 98 5.9/5spd/4wd ram or dakota build is for street performance not off road use. probably wont be mega horsepower maybe 400 at most. slightly confused on the crank/flywheel/trans issue. 1. the 5.2 is external balance the 5.9 is internal so they use different flywheels but the mopar site shows one flywheel p/n# for 5.2/5.9l and a different flywheel p/n# for the 5.9 magnum. so a used flywheel would have to come from a 5.9 magnum and not the stock 5.9 2. are the 5spd models different depending on whether the truck has a 5.2 a 5.9 or a 5.9 magnum 3. i believe im looking for an nv3500 or is it the nv3550 what are the horsepower ratings and which years will fit the nv4500 is bullet proof but has a granny 1st and is more suitable for off road use 4. how can i tell which vehicles have close ratio 5. does the v8 dakota have the same drivetrain and 5 speed models as the ram 6. anyone installed a 5spd into an obdii mopar vehicle that originally came with an auto 7. can my jeep pcm be reflashed so its not looking for auto trans inputs or can i reflash the pcm from a 5.9/5spd/4wd ram with my vin and mileage or whatever i cant pass ma vehicle inspection with a cel on. any help is appreciated. the answers dont have to be too long or involved. mostly looking to clarify the flywheel/trans model issue. thanks. john .

From : miles

ok i fixed the washer already. i had tried to blow out the line with my compressor and air gun and evidentally it blew the hose off the washer nozzle. lol after i put the hose back on it was still clogged so i just took the air gun and stuck it against the outside of the washer nozzle and blew out whatever it was that was clogging it. it now works just fine. thanks for the help. ive had to go back to driving my ram as my wife was hit head on a week ago sunday by some dumbass who dropped his cell phone and was trying to pick it up out of the floor. not only did it total the van but shattered the bone that connects the little finger to the wrist. i will have to wait till i see if she will be able to go back to work before i buy another vehicle. i have a 91 dodge stealth that has been sitting in the garage for about 3 years without behing driven last time i tried to drive it i think the injectors were clogged very nicely. ran like it had 3 plugs instead of 6. if i can get that running ill have to drive it it gets much better gas mileage than the ram. dont know if my back can still take driving the stealth every day though and i hate sitting on the ground. ky you shouldnt have to remove the wiper arms. but it does sound like a rat took a liking to the hoses under the plastic cowl. i had to fix a plugged nozzle. as i recall i no longer have the old 95 getting under the cowl was but a few plastic screws. right at the base of the windshield. sorry too much gray hair to recall more than that. ed hi i need to remove the wiper arms from the post on a 95 dodge ram truck. the washers arent working and the fluid just pours out onto the driveway when you try to use them. i figure i have a chewed thru hose or some such. we have had rats make nests in the engine compartment before. the dealership was supposed to have fixed this but you know that story i suppose. lol figure i may as well do it myself rather than waste the gas to take it back a second time. any and all help is appreciated.. ky .

From : miles

miles wrote a spokeswoman for gore said he invests enough into green power renewable energy sources such as solar wind and methane gas to balance 100% of his electricity costs. carbon credits is a left wing spin that allows the rich liberals to do anything they want as long as they can afford it. where in the statement from his spokeswoman does it mention carbon credit or offsets he purchases green power as i have stated previously. as i thought you have nothing nada zero evidence. youre a puppet of the right wing media. btw im still waiting on the source stating that gore intentionally chooses to rent gas guzzling lincolns and not hybrids. craig c. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote nope. stop lying. he used renewable power way before the right wing report. no he has not. his people are the ones who stated that he invests in clean energy sources to create his invention of carbon credits that makes his waste acceptable. youre such a simple minded fool miles. no matter what the topic you find a way to defend bush and slam all dems. youre like a broken record. youre pathetic. i see. what you are doing is defending anything gores says or does no matter what the topic. dang liberal hypocrites. .

From : miles

miles wrote lol..his people huh iows you buy into anything gore or his people say. thats a liberal trait. just buy into bs without any further research. you are the one saying that he isnt doing what he says. you prove otherwise. youre pushing off your responsibility on everyone else. thats a right wing trait. little or no pollution from the generation of the power. gores own statements says that he invests in renewable energy sources as a way to offset his high use of polluting energy...carbon credits. a term the left loves. and ... you still have yet to prove anything. you have no sources no credible information and zero credibility of your own. he *should* be using alternative energy. when you have that kind of money there is no excuse not to. i agree with you there. al gore has not been using alternative energy. he is only now applying to add such things as solar panels and wind turbines. only now. fuck off. you have no idea what youre talking about. heres something you never provide. a source. http//www.enn.com/today.htmlid=12602 clueless fuck. craig c. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote which means that while most of the rich are getting richer the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit. so the economic indicators only measure whats happening with the very small % of rich people the same indicators used during clintons era that you tout has having a great economy do you always pull ideas out of thin air or do you have some solid data to back up this only the rich are doing well guess lol i never said that it only applies to the rich but it can only apply to the rich if they are the ones making all of the money. is the economy doing well for the vast majority or not not. hmm...the same indicators used by the liberals during clintons era suggest otherwise. indicators are just that indicators. these indicators only show gross values not what is creating them and thats what makes them failrly worthless by themselves. unemployment is down more smoke and mirrors. first of all the unemployment figures are based on the number of people collecting so once they run out of time they come off of the unemployed numbers as well. smoke and mirrors is right tbone. if your statement were true then the new jobs created and total workforce numbers would not be going up. lol more complete bullshit! second the unemployment figure does not take into account how much the new job pays compared to the old one so if a person loses a $60000 a year job due to outsourcing and takes another at wallmart making $25000 the unemployment number looks good but the lifestyle of that family is significantly reduced. then that would be reflected in the median income reports which clearly show an increase not a decrease. once again you pull concepts out of thin air to support your beliefs rather than reality. i can see that you really dont understand the very reports that you quote. since the report shows total income for everyone in a family of 4 if in the above example if the wife also got a $25000 a year job and a 17 year old child also got a $15000 part time job while still going to school then your madian income would show an increase of $5000 which to an idiot like yourself would also indicate an increase in salary and a great economy when in reality it shows a stressed family. where miles in the lower paying service industry and even lower paying retail. no tom the median income is rising not falling. the only way for that to happen is if the new jobs or raises are rather high. the median income isnt a poor salary. its middle class tom. sorry miles but you really dont know wtf you are talking about. it is a meaningless report as to the increase or decrease in salary. only a single person salary report would indicate which way the salary for specific fields are going. it means no such thing as you have yet to give me a link to single person income just that family of four crap where all income is added including childrens. and that income is rising faster than inflation. prove it. for example a person loses his $50000 a year job due to outsourcing. he finds another job but due to the number of people with his skills looking for work due to the same outsourcing he can only get $35000. the number of new jobs while very good doesnt support your claim. besides you used the very same economic figures to say why the economy was so good under clinton. show comparable provable stats tom. lol please show me where i used any of these bogus indicators to show anything. actually miles it has nothing to do with the people i know. gubberment reports say that many of the service jobs that have appeared to replace the massive amount of factory jobs that have left are lower paying and have less or no benefits and as you like to say go look it up. no tom they do no such thing. show me the government reports and not a liberal commentary site. sure they do miles go and look. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : denny

craig c. wrote your full of shit miles. according to his people he purchases his power from renewable sources like the one i use. a spokeswoman for gore said he invests enough into green power renewable energy sources such as solar wind and methane gas to balance 100% of his electricity costs. carbon credits is a left wing spin that allows the rich liberals to do anything they want as long as they can afford it. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote according to his people he purchases his power from renewable sources like the one i use. i believe them over you. lol..his people huh iows you buy into anything gore or his people say. thats a liberal trait. just buy into bs without any further research. little or no pollution from the generation of the power. gores own statements says that he invests in renewable energy sources as a way to offset his high use of polluting energy...carbon credits. a term the left loves. he *should* be using alternative energy. when you have that kind of money there is no excuse not to. i agree with you there. al gore has not been using alternative energy. he is only now applying to add such things as solar panels and wind turbines. .

From : craig c

i really doubt if the goodyear blimp could hoist your ass....... denny look at ya!! i make one remark about wc and you respond with a uncalled for attack. bullshit... nah you were wrong. g never.... im shattered. the fuck you are..... oh but i was devesitated. my ass... so to recover while you have your fat ass at work hanging over the fender of some 200 degree engine i will drive my skinny ass to the beach for a few hours the bathtub at home aint big enough to get both cheeks in and play in the surf and watch the girls. yup watchin is about all you can do. while you spend time gazeing at the idiot. in disbelief...... oh at around noon while your circling the roach coach like a friggin buzzard no rc at our place. now ifn ya said the break room and microwave........ what happened the rc couldnt hold enogh slop to feed ya one of those wagons came around the shop about 10-15 years ago. its hard to believe that somebody could actually sell that crap. its even harder to believe that somebody would buy it more than once..... ill pop a cool beer and toast ya. and thats the first thing ive agreed with ya on this year... good job!! thank you!! your welcome... denny .

From : craig c

miles wrote yes after he was blasted for having a massive energy wasting home he applied for cleaner alternatives. nope. stop lying. he used renewable power way before the right wing report. he has been advocating these things for years why did he wait until now city and hoa restrictions. he has been fighting it for some time. other than that i dont know the details and neither do you. bushs home was converted to clean energy many years ago. and ... youre such a simple minded fool miles. no matter what the topic you find a way to defend bush and slam all dems. youre like a broken record. youre pathetic. craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote his home uses 20 times the national average for a family from the local power company which is not clean unless you add some left wing spin into the equation to make anything a liberal does acceptable. your full of shit miles. according to his people he purchases his power from renewable sources like the one i use. i believe them over you. you lie regularly right here in this very forum especially when it pertains to politics. if its renewable and clean ... who gives a fuck how much you use define clean. little or no pollution from the generation of the power. hmm...so bushs house isnt solar powered and doesnt recycle its own waste water only the left would think that gores home is greener than bushs. i didnt comment about bush. you did. you have his cock so far down your throat you cant quit defending him. he *should* be using alternative energy. when you have that kind of money there is no excuse not to. craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote do you think he might have been driving his sons perhaps he does drive his sons. but he also drives his own. maybe that would be a stretch for a left wing mind of yours. according to his public statements he doesnt drive his own car much but when he rents he apparently likes to speed in a 4 door gas guzzling lincoln. first cite your right wing source. second hybrids are difficult if not impossible to rent. ive tried. quit being a schmuck. craig c. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote according to his publicist while awaiting city and hoa approval for adding solar panels and wind turbines to his property which he has now gore used grid power and purchased his power from a renewable source not a coal fired plant. yes after he was blasted for having a massive energy wasting home he applied for cleaner alternatives. he has been advocating these things for years why did he wait until now bushs home was converted to clean energy many years ago. i do not know the name of the company that provides gores energy ... nor is it important. what is important is that the energy he uses is clean energy. define clean. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote first cite your right wing source. you telling me that al gores oregon speeding ticket in a rented lincoln town car is to you well that doesnt surprise me. .

From : craig c

miles wrote craig c. wrote oh ... he also owns and drives a lexus hybrid suv. is that just a front too miles gore stated publicly that he rarely drives it. he travels on jets and then rents large sedans...not hybrids or even economy cars. cite your source. the complete article not your usual out-of-context quotes. put up or shut up miles. craig c. .

From : miles

roy wrote he gets bashed by more than the left and its because he is a friggin boob! on many issues i have to agree. but then most of the current politicians campaigning are even worse. .

From : denny

hi i need to remove the wiper arms from the post on a 95 dodge ram truck. the washers arent working and the fluid just pours out onto the driveway when you try to use them. i figure i have a chewed thru hose or some such. we have had rats make nests in the engine compartment before. the dealership was supposed to have fixed this but you know that story i suppose. lol figure i may as well do it myself rather than waste the gas to take it back a second time. any and all help is appreciated.. ky .

From : roy

i really doubt if the goodyear blimp could hoist your ass....... denny look at ya!! i make one remark about wc and you respond with a uncalled for attack. bullshit... im shattered. the fuck you are..... so to recover while you have your fat ass at work hanging over the fender of some 200 degree engine i will drive my skinny ass to the beach for a few hours the bathtub at home aint big enough to get both cheeks in and play in the surf and watch the girls. yup watchin is about all you can do. oh at around noon while your circling the roach coach like a friggin buzzard no rc at our place. now ifn ya said the break room and microwave........ ill pop a cool beer and toast ya. and thats the first thing ive agreed with ya on this year... good job!! gbmfg same here!! denny roy .

From : tbone

tbone wrote yea toyota and iirc honda how do us auto workers at toyota plants compare with us union workers as far as benefits go how many non union auto workers have been layed off in recent years compared with us auto union workers .

From : roy

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From : craig c

in responce to denny s post. i thought everyone should know on jul 11 234 pm hone...@radix.net beekeep wrote on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. there is no way this would work with the wabbit. do you have any idea how many damn balloons it would take to lift him!!! gbfg wtf!!!!! is this fuck with the bunny night or what answer to the question is zero.... all it takes is a crave case of wcs denny yea but youd blow up if you got near any sort of power source. ya it wouldnt do to have a singed pink bunny! roy chris .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote roy wrote the heck with the gas did you see what they want as a deposit on those toys i wonder what the final price is. final price is as listed. around $100k. tbone said he wanted 2 seater roadster with good performance and good fuel economy. i believe my recommendation is the best one so far. - craig c. dodge demon if it ever sees the light of day. bob .

From : miles

miles wrote mike simmons wrote the prius is the only vehicle in the gore fleet are you sure the prius is his sons. and he recently got a speeding ticket and faces drug charges from what cops found inside. i read the paper too. do you think that maybe al owns one too i know its a stretch for that right wing mind of yours. ive seen him driving a prius. moron. craig c. .

From : miles

balsofsteele@gmail.com wrote some/all new 4 cycle mowers have catalytic converters integrated in the muffler. i havent heard any federal laws of such. i have heard of a few states that have recently started passing laws controlling small engine pollution. now if only they would get rid of those dang leaf blowers that kick up tons of dust all over my car! now theres nothing saying this couldnt be fixed. theres no rule saying small engines have to be dirty. its up to the customer or the customers government in todays society to dictate the requirement for cleaner engines. thats true and is happening on a state level for small engines in garden equipment. still little seems to be going on with motorcycles. .

From : craig c

john i have swapped a 2002 5.9 originally with an auto trans into a 96 ram 1500 with the standard 5 speed. you are correct there is no source of data available for this change. i can tell you it was very much a success but i discovered some interesting info. first of course is the flywheel difference but my solution was not to buy a new flywheel. i had the flywheel from the 5.2 which i used but i noted the angular placement of the 5.9 bobweight on the flex plate. i measured the size of this in all three dimensions. i then removed the same amount of material from the back of the 5.2 flywheel 180 degrees from the angular placement of the bobweight. i did this on my vertical milling machine. i then installed the flywheel with no balance issues. i could place a glass of water on the air cleaner and not see a ripple at idle. worst case would be that i ruined the flywheel and had to buy a new one for $300. i had nothing to lose and it worked perfectly. the second thing i did to solve the ecm issue was to use the 5.2 computer for the manual trans without any change but i used the 5.9 injectors on the 5.9 and to do that i had to change all the connectors on the 5.2 wiring harness and that worked perfectly. i not only ended up with much more power but my fuel economy went from 15 mpg to 17 mpg. the extra 40 foot pounds of torque right off idle makes the combination so much more drivable i was amazed. in your case you will probaly have to swap the ecm for a manual one but it does not have to be for the 5.9. as just stated the 5.2 works just as well. and there are many more of those in the bone yard. you may find that the 5.2 ecm requires a second water temp sensor in the inlet manifold. if so you can drill and tap the existing manifold and just use another of the same sensor currently in use on the 5.9. i hope this helps. steve project - replace the 46re in my 98 5.9/auto/4wd zj with a 5spd from a 98 5.9/5spd/4wd ram or dakota build is for street performance not off road use. probably wont be mega horsepower maybe 400 at most. slightly confused on the crank/flywheel/trans issue. 1. the 5.2 is external balance the 5.9 is internal so they use different flywheels but the mopar site shows one flywheel p/n# for 5.2/5.9l and a different flywheel p/n# for the 5.9 magnum. so a used flywheel would have to come from a 5.9 magnum and not the stock 5.9 2. are the 5spd models different depending on whether the truck has a 5.2 a 5.9 or a 5.9 magnum 3. i believe im looking for an nv3500 or is it the nv3550 what are the horsepower ratings and which years will fit the nv4500 is bullet proof but has a granny 1st and is more suitable for off road use 4. how can i tell which vehicles have close ratio 5. does the v8 dakota have the same drivetrain and 5 speed models as the ram 6. anyone installed a 5spd into an obdii mopar vehicle that originally came with an auto 7. can my jeep pcm be reflashed so its not looking for auto trans inputs or can i reflash the pcm from a 5.9/5spd/4wd ram with my vin and mileage or whatever i cant pass ma vehicle inspection with a cel on. any help is appreciated. the answers dont have to be too long or involved. mostly looking to clarify the flywheel/trans model issue. thanks. john .

From : craig c

chris thompson wrote i have to agree with mike here. for example there is no way that georgia powers schere plant a coal fired power plant is any cleaner per horse power figure it in kwh if ya want than some if not most of the vehicles on the road. i would find it hard to believe if it was ive seen the smoke coming out of the stacks according to his publicist while awaiting city and hoa approval for adding solar panels and wind turbines to his property which he has now gore used grid power and purchased his power from a renewable source not a coal fired plant. for example i am plugged up to the grid as well. my electric delivery comes from txu however i purchase my electricity from green mountain energy www.greenmountain.com per my request i am on the 100% wind power plan. i do not know the name of the company that provides gores energy ... nor is it important. what is important is that the energy he uses is clean energy. all the rest of the nonsense on this matter is right wing spin. craig c. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote miles wrote mike simmons wrote the prius is the only vehicle in the gore fleet are you sure the prius is his sons. and he recently got a speeding ticket and faces drug charges from what cops found inside. i read the paper too. do you think that maybe al owns one too i know its a stretch for that right wing mind of yours. ive seen him driving a prius. moron. oh ... he also owns and drives a lexus hybrid suv. is that just a front too miles craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote thats true. gore can have however big of a house he wants. but he shouldnt then go around the country telling others they need to conserve energy. and theres the right wing spin ... right there. he advocates clean energy. he only advocates conservation when the energy used is not clean energy. if its renewable and clean ... who gives a fuck how much you use its ironic because the left bashes bush saying he is against such conservation. yet bush owns a highly efficient all solar home that also purifies and recycles its grey water waste among other energy conservation techniques. yes ... i read the right wing media too. you make a great parrot. craig c. .

From : chris thompson

mike simmons wrote the prius is the only vehicle in the gore fleet are you sure the prius is his sons. and he recently got a speeding ticket and faces drug charges from what cops found inside. .

From : denny

denny wrote does this mean that all wcs have to shut down bummer....... yes. massive air pollution results from wc burgers. - craig c. .

From : roy

roy wrote lets see.. charger srt8 0-60 4.5 seconds 1/4 mile 12.8 is the best ive seen so far around 175 for top speed. the vette z06 is much quicker and faster. how much gas does it use in that 1/4 mile the heck with the gas did you see what they want as a deposit on those toys i wonder what the final price is. where do you get them repaired - craig c. .

From : roy

in responce to mike simmons s post. i thought everyone should know roy wrote heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. how so 0-60 in 4 seconds. ive seen video of this car smoking a lambo and ferrari in the 1/4 mile. you know of a gas powered vehicle that can do that top speed 135 mph 200 mile range ... without a drop of gas. tink ummmmmm.... where do you suppose the energy comes from to power this alleged miracle vehicle hmmmmm i have to agree with mike here. for example there is no way that georgia powers schere plant a coal fired power plant is any cleaner per horse power figure it in kwh if ya want than some if not most of the vehicles on the road. i would find it hard to believe if it was ive seen the smoke coming out of the stacks there is one that is even faster i cant remember the name of it. made in france. tesla is is a us company with uk partners. and ... it looks good. i can see me in one someday. - craig c. -- chris .

From : Annonymous

in responce to denny s post. i thought everyone should know on jul 11 234 pm hone...@radix.net beekeep wrote on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with

From : craig c

with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. there is no way this would work with the wabbit. do you have any idea how many damn balloons it would take to lift him!!! gbfg wtf!!!!! is this fuck with the bunny night or what answer to the question is zero.... all it takes is a crave case of wcs denny yea but youd blow up if you got near any sort of power source. -- chris . 222 337323 46961ed9$0$20623$4c368faf@roadrunner.com on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. beekeep id like to see ya strap your ass to a lawn chair and a bunch of balloons.g i really doubt if the goodyear blimp could hoist your ass....... denny look at ya!! i make one remark about wc and you respond with a uncalled for attack. im shattered. so to recover while you have your fat ass at work hanging over the fender of some 200 degree engine i will drive my skinny ass to the beach for a few hours and play in the surf and watch the girls. oh at around noon while your circling the roach coach like a friggin buzzard ill pop a cool beer and toast ya. gbmfg roy .

From : craig c

on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. beekeep id like to see ya strap your ass to a lawn chair and a bunch of balloons.g i really doubt if the goodyear blimp could hoist your ass....... denny .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote ive said it before and ill say it again......of course we are in a state of global warming and have been since the last ice age....there! -- chris amen!! tink theres that sound again ;^ whether you believe that global warming is actually occurring or not i do based on the data from experiments i have personally been involved in one thing we can agree on is that we should leave the earth at the very least in as good or better shape as we found it. with the population booming that means that we have to do better with emissions from cars and industry. put whatever spin you want on it whether it be global warming lung cancer from bad air neurological disorder from bad water etc. ... the need to control the pollution is the key. craig c. does this mean that all wcs have to shut down bummer....... denny .

From : craig c

miles wrote nosey wrote ive never heard that before. im not saying i dont beleive you but it just doesnt sound right to me. are 2-cycle motorcycles included in this average its very true. motorcycles dont have the emission requirements that cars must adhere to. a typical motorcycle pollutes far more than an average car. heck even a lawnmower does. 2-cycles pollute even worse and are why their sales are now outlawed in some states. theyre not included in most studies ive seen because they are generally not made for street use. i have heard figures of 10-20 times more pollution from a motorcycle but looking at a few reports suggest its closer to 2-3 times. ill have to see if i can find a few studies from reputable sources. some/all new 4 cycle mowers have catalytic converters integrated in the muffler. i picked up a v-shaft tecumseh 6.5 off ebay electric start $145ish shipped - starts great off a 4.5 ah sealed 12v battery and has a generator to replace a bent shaft b&s 3.5 on my push mower. using rotella t hd30 oil changed at 3 and 20 hours. after 25 hours of use the exhaust ports are *clean* like brand new. this leads me to believe the exhaust stream is significantly cleaner than it was in the past. more on topic i believe its 10-20x more pollution based on maximum carrying ability of the vehicle. most cars are driven by one person carrying very darned little in the car. something that could easily fit on a 100cc scooter. of course thats still 2-3x more pollution than a clean running 3lish v6-powered car would get making the same route despite that 3lish v6 powered car using say 3x more fuel in the process so lets say.... 10x more pollution per gasoline unit burned now theres nothing saying this couldnt be fixed. theres no rule saying small engines have to be dirty. its up to the customer or the customers government in todays society to dictate the requirement for cleaner engines. .

From : denny

mike simmons wrote yes he has a mansion. so what yabbut he doesnt need a mansion for just he and tipper does he probably not. however thats his choice. matter how energy efficient the gore manse is im sure that he would be much more energy frugal with a 1400 square foot ranch home that was well built wouldnt he agreed. i live in a 1300 square foot home myself run entirely from wind and solar power. or is the so what intended to indicate that mr gore can own any house that he damned well pleases that is correct. if so then why or why do all the liberals tree huggers have their undies in a bunch about the folks who choose to own an suv i have no problem with owning an suv. hell i own a 3/4 ton dodge with a cummins. i drive it less than 1000 miles per year. i ride the light rail about 20000 miles per year. if i could not ride the light rail my choice would be to own and drive a hybrid. hmmmm..... the gore manse is located in tn which has a lot of tva power both hydro nuke and coal fired.... are you sure that all the energy mr gore consumes truly comes from renewable sources according to his publicist yes his power comes from wind hydro and solar. just recently he got approval from hoa and city to add solar panels and wind turbines to his property. using that argument then those of us who are fortunate enough to live near utilities which derive their power from renewable sources are thus able to be as prolifigate with our energy use as we damned well please whilst those poor bastards who get their juice from coal fired plants must then be frugal with every watt. or do we as children of the planet as the left would have take responsibility for our energy consumption regardless of it origin which way is it.. i always get confused about that part. dont be confused ... just do the best you can. if renewable power is within your grasp then it is your responsibility to use it imo. for those that dont have the choice there are alternatives. solar panels wind turbines etc. i realize these are pricey but as long as it is a priority say over 24 rims on your h2 i have no complaint. ahhhh..... i see.... he couldnt just hop a hound to spread awareness and save all that energy since he is amongst the cultural elite he gets a pass on energy consumption while he is spreading the message to us the great unwashed..... ummmmmm i dont think so... well im sorry that you dont see the benefit. your loss i suppose. i would prefer that he not fly but i can see the benefit as long as it isnt abused. and ... he drives a prius not a gas guzzler as miles indicated. the prius is the only vehicle in the gore fleet are you sure supposedly all of his vehicles run by alternative means. last thing i read he traded his and his wifes caddy in for prius. one thing is certain for all his many faults he is doing more than 90% of the population about reversing the effects of global warming. regardless of your personal feelings about him he is doing the right thing. craig c. .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote ummmmmm.... where do you suppose the energy comes from to power this alleged miracle vehicle hmmmmm it comes from grid power usually which can include renewable sources like wind hydro and solar if the homeowner chooses. it can also come from renewable sources off the grid like solar panels and wind turbines. thats where my electricity comes from ... craig c. .

From : mike simmons

roy wrote heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. how so 0-60 in 4 seconds. ive seen video of this car smoking a lambo and ferrari in the 1/4 mile. you know of a gas powered vehicle that can do that top speed 135 mph 200 mile range ... without a drop of gas. tink ummmmmm.... where do you suppose the energy comes from to power this alleged miracle vehicle hmmmmm there is one that is even faster i cant remember the name of it. made in france. tesla is is a us company with uk partners. and ... it looks good. i can see me in one someday. - craig c. .

From : miles

mike simmons wrote ive said it before and ill say it again......of course we are in a state of global warming and have been since the last ice age....there! -- chris amen!! tink theres that sound again ;^ whether you believe that global warming is actually occurring or not i do based on the data from experiments i have personally been involved in one thing we can agree on is that we should leave the earth at the very least in as good or better shape as we found it. with the population booming that means that we have to do better with emissions from cars and industry. put whatever spin you want on it whether it be global warming lung cancer from bad air neurological disorder from bad water etc. ... the need to control the pollution is the key. craig c. i dont disagree in principle with any of the above..... however theres always a however isnt there.... i am not convinced that the global warming is entirely man induced nor do i believe that global warming is necessarily bad. several economic studies have shown that there may indeed be a net benefit from global warming. nor do i sign on with the the crowd al gore types mainly that say that because of global warming the world will come to an end. if we subscribe to their panic and adopt their proposed solutions we will create economic chaos that would make any negative effects from global warming look like a walk in the albeit warm park. mike .

From : denny

on jul 11 234 pm hone...@radix.net beekeep wrote on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. there is no way this would work with the wabbit. do you have any idea how many damn balloons it would take to lift him!!! gbfg wtf!!!!! is this fuck with the bunny night or what answer to the question is zero.... all it takes is a crave case of wcs denny .

From : miles

tbone wrote i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. want a two seater roadster with kick ass performance try this http//www.teslamotors.com/index.php heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. many people live in large houses but that doesnt mean that they are not efficient. do you know what his utility bills are the deal with gores mansion has been blown way out of proportion mostly by right-wing media. tink yes he has a mansion. so what yabbut he doesnt need a mansion for just he and tipper does he no matter how energy efficient the gore manse is im sure that he would be much more energy frugal with a 1400 square foot ranch home that was well built wouldnt he or is the so what intended to indicate that mr gore can own any house that he damned well pleases if so then why or why do all the liberals tree huggers have their undies in a bunch about the folks who choose to own an suv explain the dichotomy if you please. yes he uses a lot of energy ... so what all of the energy is generated by renewable sources. hmmmm..... the gore manse is located in tn which has a lot of tva power both hydro nuke and coal fired.... are you sure that all the energy mr gore consumes truly comes from renewable sources using that argument then those of us who are fortunate enough to live near utilities which derive their power from renewable sources are thus able to be as prolifigate with our energy use as we damned well please whilst those poor bastards who get their juice from coal fired plants must then be frugal with every watt. or do we as children of the planet as the left would have take responsibility for our energy consumption regardless of it origin which way is it.. i always get confused about that part. he has a jet. so what 90% of its use is to spread awareness about environmental problems that we all face. its like the old saying you have to spend money to make money. in this case he pollutes a little to spread awareness. ahhhh..... i see.... he couldnt just hop a hound to spread awareness and save all that energy since he is amongst the cultural elite he gets a pass on energy consumption while he is spreading the message to us the great unwashed..... ummmmmm i dont think so... at some point it needs to stop. ill be watching to see if it does. and ... he drives a prius not a gas guzzler as miles indicated. the prius is the only vehicle in the gore fleet are you sure craig c. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote which means that while most of the rich are getting richer the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit. so the economic indicators only measure whats happening with the very small % of rich people the same indicators used during clintons era that you tout has having a great economy do you always pull ideas out of thin air or do you have some solid data to back up this only the rich are doing well guess is the economy doing well for the vast majority or not not. hmm...the same indicators used by the liberals during clintons era suggest otherwise. unemployment is down more smoke and mirrors. first of all the unemployment figures are based on the number of people collecting so once they run out of time they come off of the unemployed numbers as well. smoke and mirrors is right tbone. if your statement were true then the new jobs created and total workforce numbers would not be going up. second the unemployment figure does not take into account how much the new job pays compared to the old one so if a person loses a $60000 a year job due to outsourcing and takes another at wallmart making $25000 the unemployment number looks good but the lifestyle of that family is significantly reduced. then that would be reflected in the median income reports which clearly show an increase not a decrease. once again you pull concepts out of thin air to support your beliefs rather than reality. where miles in the lower paying service industry and even lower paying retail. no tom the median income is rising not falling. the only way for that to happen is if the new jobs or raises are rather high. the median income isnt a poor salary. its middle class tom. it means no such thing as you have yet to give me a link to single person income just that family of four crap where all income is added including childrens. and that income is rising faster than inflation. for example a person loses his $50000 a year job due to outsourcing. he finds another job but due to the number of people with his skills looking for work due to the same outsourcing he can only get $35000. the number of new jobs while very good doesnt support your claim. besides you used the very same economic figures to say why the economy was so good under clinton. show comparable provable stats tom. actually miles it has nothing to do with the people i know. gubberment reports say that many of the service jobs that have appeared to replace the massive amount of factory jobs that have left are lower paying and have less or no benefits and as you like to say go look it up. no tom they do no such thing. show me the government reports and not a liberal commentary site. .

From : craig c

on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed

From : tbone

yea toyota and iirc honda -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving roy wrote you two are amazing!! i doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasnt had a political slant tossed in by one of ya. its all entertainment! oh i think im going to opt for the toyota hybrid. because i want to. also cause it is i heard it is union made. vbg you should buy the car that fits your needs whatever that maybe! which union american or japanese lol. are there any cars built in the usa that arent union made .

From : roy

tbone wrote i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. most roadsters arent known for their great economy but there are a few. i like the soltice but its not very practical with a tiny trunk. thats the problem with most 2 seaters. i do indeed but as i said before it is out of need and is not my primary transportation. so its ok to own a gas guzzler if it meets a persons needs. guess what tom thats why most buy them. it fits their needs. or is it just your needs that count and only certain needs qualify to make it acceptable many people live in large houses but that doesnt mean that they are not efficient. gores house is not efficient. i do not consider $30000 in gas and electic bills to be efficient for a private home. thats nearly 20 times the national average energy consumption use. how many kids does gore have living at home does he need a 20 bedroom house not including the 4 bedroom guest house now lets compare that to bush who cant have the environment in his interest right his home is solar powered as well as has a rain water collection and waste water purification system. do you know what his utility bills areu yes they are public. in most states anyone can call the power company and find out how much the bills average. helps potential buyers i suppose. do you know what type of lights he has where the temperature of his mansion is set to how many zones the climate control system has he uses over 200000 kwhs in a private residence each year. sorry tbone no matter how you spin it gore is a wasteful rich energy guzzler. if i want to live by example id pick bushs energy efficient home to gores despite gores talk about the need to be energy conservative. bush does a better job of it. assumptions. have you seen his movie yet and if not perhaps you should. it may explain a few things to you yes and his spin is just that. gores movie does have some good to it. if it gets people to conserve and pollute less then thats a good thing. but his methods and own lifestyle do not match what he himself says. why didnt gore have bushs home in the movie as an example of how to be energy efficient why didnt he show his own home answers to both those questions show who gore truly is. lol if there were not so many idiots with their heads in the sand then he wouldnt have to. yes we should all live in homes that consume over 200000 kwhs a year with a bill of $30000 drives a gas guzzling car and then uses carbon credits to say its all ok for him. bush on the other hand has a fully energy efficient solar home with many other energy efficient designs. .

From : azwiley1

roy wrote nah the corvette cost half as much. you can spend the 50k on gas and get it serviced anywhere. and the environment i think ill stick with the camry doing the best you can environmentally speaking is a-ok with me ... not that you need my approval ... i think i may change jobs soon. which means i wont be able to ride the light rail anymore. that being the case a hybrid purchase might be just around the corner. if i had an extra $100k id have a tesla but if i had that kind of extra money i wouldnt be working. - craig c. .

From : craig c

roy wrote the heck with the gas did you see what they want as a deposit on those toys i wonder what the final price is. final price is as listed. around $100k. tbone said he wanted 2 seater roadster with good performance and good fuel economy. i believe my recommendation is the best one so far. - nah the corvette cost half as much. you can spend the 50k on gas and get it serviced anywhere. where do you get them repaired repairs take place at their dealerships. california illinois and florida iirc. im guessing they are planning to open other dealerships in other states. i thought i remembered tbone saying he is from nc. florida isnt so far ... and you ... you have no excuse. - i think ill stick with the camry craig c. .

From : roy

on jul 11 234 pm hone...@radix.net beekeep wrote on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. there is no way this would work with the wabbit. do you have any idea how many damn balloons it would take to lift him!!! gbfg .

From : beekeep

you can order the 34 gallon tank for the 2002 and up dodge ram 1500 through the dealer is a factory option. i have also seen some 3rd party add-on fuel tank expanders that can add 10 to 20 gallons. unfortunately i dont remember the manufacturers name off hand. does anyone make a larger fuel tank for the 2003 ram 1500 4x4 just would like to have more range when i tow my motorcycles. many thanks in advance!! chuck .

From : roy

yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. beekeep id like to see ya strap your ass to a lawn chair and a bunch of balloons.g . 222 337303 46954beb.159417640@usenet.radix.net on wed 11 jul 2007 135605 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. yeah but i bet that guy in the lawnchair with all the balloons i saw on the today got a lot better mileage than that. they say he went as high as 12000 feet and traveled several hundred miles without burning a drop of gas. personaly i think personal lighter than air vehicles might be a cheap environmental way to go. beekeep .

From : craig c

roy wrote lets see.. charger srt8 0-60 4.5 seconds 1/4 mile 12.8 is the best ive seen so far around 175 for top speed. the vette z06 is much quicker and faster. how much gas does it use in that 1/4 mile - craig c. .

From : roy

roy wrote heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. how so 0-60 in 4 seconds. ive seen video of this car smoking a lambo and ferrari in the 1/4 mile. you know of a gas powered vehicle that can do that lets see.. charger srt8 0-60 4.5 seconds 1/4 mile 12.8 is the best ive seen so far around 175 for top speed. the vette z06 is much quicker and faster. top speed 135 mph 200 mile range ... without a drop of gas. there is one that is even faster i cant remember the name of it. made in france. tesla is is a us company with uk partners. and ... it looks good. i can see me in one someday. - craig c. .

From : roy

roy wrote heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. how so 0-60 in 4 seconds. ive seen video of this car smoking a lambo and ferrari in the 1/4 mile. you know of a gas powered vehicle that can do that top speed 135 mph 200 mile range ... without a drop of gas. there is one that is even faster i cant remember the name of it. made in france. tesla is is a us company with uk partners. and ... it looks good. i can see me in one someday. - craig c. .

From : roy

tbone wrote i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. want a two seater roadster with kick ass performance try this http//www.teslamotors.com/index.php heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. how so .

From : roy

tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. a vette with a 6 speed will get ya 24+mpg on the highway. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote yea toyota and iirc honda how do us auto workers at toyota plants compare with us union workers as far as benefits go how many non union auto workers have been layed off in recent years compared with us auto union workers i do know that the uaw took a big hit with delphi. .

From : tbone

roy wrote you two are amazing!! i doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasnt had a political slant tossed in by one of ya. its all entertainment! thats what i mean! oh i think im going to opt for the toyota hybrid. because i want to. also cause it is i heard it is union made. vbg you should buy the car that fits your needs whatever that maybe! which union american or japanese lol. are there any cars built in the usa that arent union made shit i dont know anymore. i dont know if the hybrids are made here or not .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. want a two seater roadster with kick ass performance try this http//www.teslamotors.com/index.php heres the good ... its cleaner than a hybrid. its all electric and blows away anything on the road. many people live in large houses but that doesnt mean that they are not efficient. do you know what his utility bills are the deal with gores mansion has been blown way out of proportion mostly by right-wing media. yes he has a mansion. so what yes he uses a lot of energy ... so what all of the energy is generated by renewable sources. he has a jet. so what 90% of its use is to spread awareness about environmental problems that we all face. its like the old saying you have to spend money to make money. in this case he pollutes a little to spread awareness. at some point it needs to stop. ill be watching to see if it does. and ... he drives a prius not a gas guzzler as miles indicated. craig c. .

From : craig c

tbone wrote sorry miles but the economy is doing well for those who already were doing well. perhaps it is you that needs to do a little research. which means what which means that while most of the rich are getting richer the rest of us are either for the most part static or taking the hit. is the economy doing well for the vast majority or not not. unemployment is down more smoke and mirrors. first of all the unemployment figures are based on the number of people collecting so once they run out of time they come off of the unemployed numbers as well. second the unemployment figure does not take into account how much the new job pays compared to the old one so if a person loses a $60000 a year job due to outsourcing and takes another at wallmart making $25000 the unemployment number looks good but the lifestyle of that family is significantly reduced. new jobs rate is increasing where miles in the lower paying service industry and even lower paying retail. the median income is rising which means the new jobs are not low end. it means no such thing as you have yet to give me a link to single person income just that family of four crap where all income is added including childrens. for example a person loses his $50000 a year job due to outsourcing. he finds another job but due to the number of people with his skills looking for work due to the same outsourcing he can only get $35000. now that is not enough money so the wife gets a job as well. she gets one at hd for around $25000 a year which is really high for hd but they have two kids and one is to young to be left at home alone they now have to pay for day care which sucks about $12000 in increased expenses not to mention the increased cost of living that comes from two people working. of course they can no longer afford to give their son johnny his allowence anymore so he gets a part time job delivering papers and cutting lawns and makes around $3000 a year. now your bullshit median income will show this family with an increase of $13000 a year and will attribute that to the booming economy which is complete bullshit when in reality it is due to a piss poor economy for most and while they are bringing in more money their disposable income and quality of life is significantly reduced. so please tell me what data source you have that says the economy has worsened. show me the numbers tbone. put up or shut up. read above and i have said this before. provide a link showing individual income which would be the only valid thing that would prove you right otherwise stfu already. do you have proof to back this up my wife wants one and her concern is the planet not saving a few cents on fuel. oh ya just like your figures that say the economy is bad unemployment is bad all based on a few people you know. actually miles it has nothing to do with the people i know. gubberment reports say that many of the service jobs that have appeared to replace the massive amount of factory jobs that have left are lower paying and have less or no benefits and as you like to say go look it up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i guess that in a distorted way it is. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. i was looking more in the two seated roadster type but again with reasonable performance and good economy. i am simply not impressed with dcs lineup this year and i want a standard shift which indicates ford gm or toyota. lol im sure that you didnt sell the truck because of environmental reasons. people buy what they need and those needs vary. you have a gas guzzling polluting truck and i dont think thats because of environmental reasons. i do indeed but as i said before it is out of need and is not my primary transportation. please back this up and not with hard right leaning sources. hard right leaning sources huh gore doesnt hide the fact he lives in a huge mansion nor is it a secret which car he drives rents nor his preferred transportation mode of a fuel guzzling polluting jet. many people live in large houses but that doesnt mean that they are not efficient. do you know what his utility bills are do you know what type of lights he has where the temperature of his mansion is set to how many zones the climate control system has if not then you are just making assumptions. have you seen his movie yet and if not perhaps you should. it may explain a few things to you. how exactly is he going to get around from one side of the country to the other walk. how about not flying all over the country for his $100000 speaking gigs about how we should all stop polluting until he does so he is no one to talk. lol if there were not so many idiots with their heads in the sand then he wouldnt have to. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

mike simmons wrote ive said it before and ill say it again......of course we are in a state of global warming and have been since the last ice age....there! -- chris amen!! tink theres that sound again ;^ whether you believe that global warming is actually occurring or not i do based on the data from experiments i have personally been involved in one thing we can agree on is that we should leave the earth at the very least in as good or better shape as we found it. with the population booming that means that we have to do better with emissions from cars and industry. put whatever spin you want on it whether it be global warming lung cancer from bad air neurological disorder from bad water etc. ... the need to control the pollution is the key. craig c. .

From : miles

tbone wrote once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. for them those vehicles give them the most they want for their money. so yes tom it is true. i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. great. let us know what you get. the pt cruiser convertible is bargain priced after rebates. it was too small for my needs though. lol im sure that you didnt sell the truck because of environmental reasons. people buy what they need and those needs vary. you have a gas guzzling polluting truck and i dont think thats because of environmental reasons. please back this up and not with hard right leaning sources. hard right leaning sources huh gore doesnt hide the fact he lives in a huge mansion nor is it a secret which car he drives rents nor his preferred transportation mode of a fuel guzzling polluting jet. how exactly is he going to get around from one side of the country to the other walk. how about not flying all over the country for his $100000 speaking gigs about how we should all stop polluting until he does so he is no one to talk. .

From : tbone

roy wrote you two are amazing!! i doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasnt had a political slant tossed in by one of ya. its all entertainment! oh i think im going to opt for the toyota hybrid. because i want to. also cause it is i heard it is union made. vbg you should buy the car that fits your needs whatever that maybe! which union american or japanese lol. are there any cars built in the usa that arent union made .

From : roy

tbone wrote how many hybrids do you own tom none yet. figures. yawn. how many gas guzzlers one but i dont have much choice right now. not so. you made the choice in what you need. that is correct and i needed the truck and still do but it is not my primary transportation. nobody made the choice for you. you own a gas guzzler and no hybrid but you whine that people need to buy hybrids to save the enviroment. put up or shut up tom! more spin and bs. more spin and bullshit. while i dont currently own one im not trying to talk people out of doing the right thing when they can unlike you. i think people should buy economy cars. when buying cars in general people have always looked to get the most for their money. once again complete bs. if that were true there would be few if any high end luxury cars and no hummers on the road. those that have little money and are responsible try and get the most for their money but for many it is a status symbol. i bought a dodge caliber and got rid of my gas guzzler ram. what have you done yourself i dont use the truck as my primary transportation and will be looking for a new car next year. i dont know if it will be a hybrid but it will be economy oriented and possibly a convertable. when i need to purchase a new vehicle fuel economy will be a big issue and not just for the few cents a week it might save me. what about you i already did what you only talk about. my truck was paid for. my car has a payment. the gas savings wont pay for the cost of my caliber. what about you tom all talk. lol im sure that you didnt sell the truck because of environmental reasons. as for al i have no idea what he own or how he lives his life but he does make every effort to let people know what can happen if nothing is done. true he does say that. but he lives a high style polluting life please back this up and not with hard right leaning sources. owns gas guzzler cars lives in a huge mansion that sucks up power uses a massive fuel guzzling polluting jet for much of his transportation needs...typical liberal all talk about what others should do and not them. how exactly is he going to get around from one side of the country to the other walk. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

tbone wrote how many hybrids do you own tom none yet. figures. how many gas guzzlers one but i dont have much choice right now. not so. you made the choice in what you need. nobody made the choice for you. you own a gas guzzler and no hybrid but you whine that people need to buy hybrids to save the enviroment. put up or shut up tom! more spin and bullshit. while i dont currently own one im not trying to talk people out of doing the right thing when they can unlike you. i think people should buy economy cars. when buying cars in general people have always looked to get the most for their money. i bought a dodge caliber and got rid of my gas guzzler ram. what have you done yourself when i need to purchase a new vehicle fuel economy will be a big issue and not just for the few cents a week it might save me. what about you i already did what you only talk about. my truck was paid for. my car has a payment. the gas savings wont pay for the cost of my caliber. what about you tom all talk. as for al i have no idea what he own or how he lives his life but he does make every effort to let people know what can happen if nothing is done. true he does say that. but he lives a high style polluting life owns gas guzzler cars lives in a huge mansion that sucks up power uses a massive fuel guzzling polluting jet for much of his transportation needs...typical liberal all talk about what others should do and not them. you two are amazing!! i doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasnt had a political slant tossed in by one of ya. gbmfg well at least this time the political bs had nothing to do with me. miles brought up kerry and gore and i said nothing about the right at all. oh i think im going to opt for the toyota hybrid. because i want to. also cause it is i heard it is union made. vbg let us know how that works out as i said my wife is looking in that direction as well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

tbone wrote how many hybrids do you own tom none yet. figures. how many gas guzzlers one but i dont have much choice right now. not so. you made the choice in what you need. nobody made the choice for you. you own a gas guzzler and no hybrid but you whine that people need to buy hybrids to save the enviroment. put up or shut up tom! more spin and bullshit. while i dont currently own one im not trying to talk people out of doing the right thing when they can unlike you. i think people should buy economy cars. when buying cars in general people have always looked to get the most for their money. i bought a dodge caliber and got rid of my gas guzzler ram. what have you done yourself when i need to purchase a new vehicle fuel economy will be a big issue and not just for the few cents a week it might save me. what about you i already did what you only talk about. my truck was paid for. my car has a payment. the gas savings wont pay for the cost of my caliber. what about you tom all talk. as for al i have no idea what he own or how he lives his life but he does make every effort to let people know what can happen if nothing is done. true he does say that. but he lives a high style polluting life owns gas guzzler cars lives in a huge mansion that sucks up power uses a massive fuel guzzling polluting jet for much of his transportation needs...typical liberal all talk about what others should do and not them. you two are amazing!! i doubt there has been a thread in the past couple of years that you guys have paticipated in that hasnt had a political slant tossed in by one of ya. gbmfg oh i think im going to opt for the toyota hybrid. because i want to. also cause it is i heard it is union made. vbg .

From : miles

z88z wrote planning on doing a 5spd swap in a 98 jeep grand cherokee 5.9 ltd hearing through the grapevine that not all v8 or v8 magnum crank are drilled for a pilot bushing anyone know if this is true if it is true is there any way to find out before removing th transmission wondering if i could go by engine s/ns or something i know of at least one jeep 5.9 magnum owner that found his cran was drilled for a bushing from the factory. any help is appreciate - joh steve looked into it a bit more. so the flywheel ha to be from a 5.9 magnum and if the transmission came from a no magnum 5.9 id need to get a p5249842 p4529110 cast crank flywheel 130-tooth 197192 360 a engines not 360 magnum p5249842 cast crank flywheel 130-tooth 360 magnum crate engine not 360 a engines .

From : chris thompson

steve lusardi wrote please note that the 5.9 is externally balenced unlike the 5.2 which is internally balenced. the flywheels will interchange bu they are not cross compatible. the 5.9 has a counterweight cast in stev wow! thank you steve! you are the first person that has responded t this question and i have posted it in about six othe jeep/dodge/mopar forums! yes you got the right context. id be swapping my 46re out for 5spd. this would be only the second 5.9 5spd jeep that ive hear of the other guy never cured his cel problem though other than that i have only seen two 5spd swaps of any kind into v zjs 93-98 grand chrokees and those were pre-obdii 5.2s built fo extreme off road use my 98 ltd is the special edition with the factory 5.9 magnum/46r auto/4wd ok on the external vs internal balancing. are you talking about th crank itself or the flywheel you are saying i think that the 5.9 has a balanced crank and uses counter blanced fly wheel but the 5.2s uses the harmonic balancer an does not have counter weighted flywheel so am i correct in thinking that the balancing would not be an issu as long as the swap parts are from a circa 98 5.9/5spd/4wd ram does it make any difference if the donor truck has a 5.9 magnum or stock 5.9 what kind of stuff do you do with the mopars do you do mostly dodg or jeep and do you do high performance work for street performance o off road use i also have a question about reflashing the pcm from my jeep or th ram truck to cure the check engine light problem but i think il make that a seperate post thanks again steve - joh .

From : miles

tbone wrote how many hybrids do you own tom none yet. figures. how many gas guzzlers one but i dont have much choice right now. not so. you made the choice in what you need. nobody made the choice for you. you own a gas guzzler and no hybrid but you whine that people need to buy hybrids to save the enviroment. put up or shut up tom! more spin and bullshit. while i dont currently own one im not trying to talk people out of doing the right thing when they can unlike you. i think people should buy economy cars. when buying cars in general people have always looked to get the most for their money. i bought a dodge caliber and got rid of my gas guzzler ram. what have you done yourself when i need to purchase a new vehicle fuel economy will be a big issue and not just for the few cents a week it might save me. what about you i already did what you only talk about. my truck was paid for. my car has a payment. the gas savings wont pay for the cost of my caliber. what about you tom all talk. as for al i have no idea what he own or how he lives his life but he does make every effort to let people know what can happen if nothing is done. true he does say that. but he lives a high style polluting life owns gas guzzler cars lives in a huge mansion that sucks up power uses a massive fuel guzzling polluting jet for much of his transportation needs...typical liberal all talk about what others should do and not them. .

From : mike simmons

in responce to mike simmons s post. i thought everyone should know mike simmons wrote as in all the hype about global warming things arent always as they seem..... tink sound of worm can opening i never mentioned global warming. you own that one. that subject is multi-faceted and under constant change. you debate it. i know what i believe and ill leave it at that for now. - craig c. nope i aint goin there either ;^. i just used that as an analogy... mike chickens!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! bbbbbbbbbbbaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk ive said it before and ill say it again......of course we are in a state of global warming and have been since the last ice age....there! -- chris .

From : tbone

tbone wrote sorry miles but the economy is doing well for those who already were doing well. perhaps it is you that needs to do a little research. which means what is the economy doing well for the vast majority or not unemployment is down new jobs rate is increasing the median income is rising which means the new jobs are not low end. so please tell me what data source you have that says the economy has worsened. show me the numbers tbone. put up or shut up. do you have proof to back this up my wife wants one and her concern is the planet not saving a few cents on fuel. oh ya just like your figures that say the economy is bad unemployment is bad all based on a few people you know. good grief! now go buy that hybrid. why havent you already since you talk about how we all need to help the environment. .

From : tbone

mike simmons wrote as in all the hype about global warming things arent always as they seem..... tink sound of worm can opening i never mentioned global warming. you own that one. that subject is multi-faceted and under constant change. you debate it. i know what i believe and ill leave it at that for now. - craig c. nope i aint goin there either ;^. i just used that as an analogy... mike .

From : miles

tbone wrote it would also further increase the development on hybrid and zero emissions vehicles if the demand exists but short sighted thinkers which sadly are the majority on this country as of now will flush this great country down the toilet. how many hybrids do you own tom none yet. how many gas guzzlers one but i dont have much choice right now. youre all talk tbone. typical liberal telling others what they should do but dont do themselves. more spin and bullshit. while i dont currently own one im not trying to talk people out of doing the right thing when they can unlike you. when i need to purchase a new vehicle fuel economy will be a big issue and not just for the few cents a week it might save me. what about you just like kerry touting economy cars but drives his dodge 300c oh ya its his wifes or al gore who touts environmentalism and gets a speeding ticket in a gas guzzler 4 door lincoln. all talk about what others should do! what engine does his 300c have as for al i have no idea what he own or how he lives his life but he does make every effort to let people know what can happen if nothing is done. i guess that its better to stick you head in the sand and pretend that it doesnt exist like others in the group. yea thats gonna help your kids in the future. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

less fuel burned does not in itself equate to lower emissions. look at the horrible emissions of motorcycles...averaging many times the pollution of typical cars yet getting 40-70mpg. ive never heard that before. im not saying i dont beleive you but it just doesnt sound right to me. are 2-cycle motorcycles included in this average -- ken .

From : beekeep

on fri 6 jul 2007 171156 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote anybody have any good info on them which is better and so on. would like opinion based on fact not supposition. tia roy if ya wanted an expert opinion why didnt you just email snowball directly beekeep watch out roy incomming!!!!!!! fmb north mexico .

From : roy

on sun 08 jul 2007 153734 -0700 azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote so does that mean we can start calling you a wabbit loving tree hugger!! bg i think the only tree roy is gonna hug is the one the wabbit is hanging in larry... mac bro it would take a chain fall to lift that fat assed rabbit of the ground roy .

From : miles

tbone wrote make up your mind miles. first you say that the economy is doing fantastic and everyone is making much more money and now you are saying that most cannot afford a few thousand more for a hybrid. oh geez. youll find a liberal reason to argue about anything!! the economy is doing very well. you cant show me a dang thing to prove otherwise can you oh ya you know someones neighbors brothers uncle that is having problems in your area...sorry i forgot! sorry miles but the economy is doing well for those who already were doing well. perhaps it is you that needs to do a little research. sorry tbone the vast majority of people who buy hybrids do so thinking they will save money. their sales have gone up as the price of gas has gone up which equated to higher demand for economy cars in general. so how many hybrid cars have you bought lately to do your part oh ya you own a gas guzzler truck along with those hybrids!! do you have proof to back this up my wife wants one and her concern is the planet not saving a few cents on fuel. hahahahaha more right wing spin. sure motorcycles currently do not have the emissions equipment that cars do and will have somewhat higher ppm counts than a car they also with the exception of the super bikes put out way less volume than a typical car which also equates to less polution. wrong tbone. motorcycles put out more pollution per mile that a typical car. not ppm. do some research before making more un-researched off the top of your head guesses. lets see some factual data to back this load of crap up and even then it still doesnt matter as it was in relation to a hybrid that has the same emissions equipment as a conventional car. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

craig c. wrote so miles i *completely* disagree with your comment. its simply not the case. most people *do* have the money. its a matter of priorities. clean air and water take a back seat to big screen tvs loud stereos and rims. if they are poor they didnt buy a hybrid to save the environment. they mistakingly bought it thinking theyll save money on gas. people are in a frenzy about the cost of gas and just dont add up other expenses. now is the time for american car companies to take the market. if only they hadnt outsourced the talent and jobs to other countries ... they didnt for the most part. the design teams are in the usa. so are the design teams for nissan and toyota. unfortunately i agree. most americans are very short-sighted and selfish. this results in screwed up priorities. this is where our government can help make a difference. to an extent thats true. people have always tried to save money where they can. so lets see $7000 towards a hybrid or $7000 towards the kids college fund for example. so to be green should americans just pay the extra $7000 for a clean car hmm...that money goes to the greedy corporate auto manufactures. honda is dropping the civic hybrid for the lack of demand. i had not heard this. where did you read it my mistake. honda is dropping the accord hybrid. toyota is talking about dropping the camry hybrid as well. well there was an okay tax break in place. bush has all but killed it at this point. however i firmly believe that the next president regardless of party affiliation will be forced to kick up the tax incentives. true but if a dem is elected youll see that erased by higher taxes. their very first action taken when they gained control of congress was to change the way taxes are raised. it now takes only a simple majority instead of 2/3s congress to pass a tax increase bill. so ... when are buying your new hybrid - i traded in my 2001 ram qc for a dodge caliber. went from 12mpg to 28mpg. not as good as a hybrid but far lower cost. im doing my part!! .

From : craig c

tbone wrote this really has to be just about the dumbest thing to come out of you so far. if a battery is no stronger than its weakest cell then replacing that weak cell would restore the entire battery so why would you not want the ability to do that if all other cells were perfect. odds are thats just not the case. you might buy yourself a little time but not much. .

From : miles

tbone wrote it would also further increase the development on hybrid and zero emissions vehicles if the demand exists but short sighted thinkers which sadly are the majority on this country as of now will flush this great country down the toilet. how many hybrids do you own tom how many gas guzzlers youre all talk tbone. typical liberal telling others what they should do but dont do themselves. just like kerry touting economy cars but drives his dodge 300c oh ya its his wifes or al gore who touts environmentalism and gets a speeding ticket in a gas guzzler 4 door lincoln. all talk about what others should do! .

From : mike simmons

mike simmons wrote as in all the hype about global warming things arent always as they seem..... tink sound of worm can opening i never mentioned global warming. you own that one. that subject is multi-faceted and under constant change. you debate it. i know what i believe and ill leave it at that for now. - craig c. .

From : craig c

this is the coolest truck box you have ever seen. check it out. http//www.alumiknox.com .

From : tbone

na he would think that he is the lords angle and had been sent to defeat satan himself. he is probably looking for me as well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving that budd thinks he has died and gone to hell beekeep .

From : nosey

on fri 6 jul 2007 171156 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote anybody have any good info on them which is better and so on. would like opinion based on fact not supposition. tia roy if ya wanted an expert opinion why didnt you just email snowball directly beekeep watch out roy incomming!!!!!!! fmb north mexico yup i can hear a few leaving the tubes. vbg .

From : roy

i have had several apart but never found one that was not able to hold a pilot. excuse me if i have taken your statement out of context but if you are swapping i assume you mean from an automatic. please note that the 5.9 is externally balenced unlike the 5.2 which is internally balenced. the flywheels will interchange but they are not cross compatible. the 5.9 has a counterweight cast in. steve planning on doing a 5spd swap in a 98 jeep grand cherokee 5.9 ltd. hearing through the grapevine that not all v8 or v8 magnum cranks are drilled for a pilot bushing. anyone know if this is true if it is true is there any way to find out before removing the transmission wondering if i could go by engine s/ns or something. i know of at least one jeep 5.9 magnum owner that found his crank was drilled for a bushing from the factory. any help is appreciated - john .

From : craig c

miles wrote true some want to be environmentally cleaner. but most dont have the luxury of extra money sitting around to afford a hybrid for that reason. not far from where i live in dallas is the poorest community in the area. its called pleasant grove. people live in shacks. yet they have a set of 24 rims and other mods on their 10 mpg car which cost them at least $5000.00. so miles i *completely* disagree with your comment. its simply not the case. most people *do* have the money. its a matter of priorities. clean air and water take a back seat to big screen tvs loud stereos and rims. the suv hybrids are around a $4500/difference and thus break even in gas savings over a 3-5 year period. but the civic prius and camry wont come close. now is the time for american car companies to take the market. if only they hadnt outsourced the talent and jobs to other countries ... less fuel burned does not in itself equate to lower emissions. look at the horrible emissions of motorcycles...averaging many times the pollution of typical cars yet getting 40-70mpg. well we were discussing cars. hybrid cars have the same emissions requirements as full combustion vehicles. therefore less fuel burned means fewer/lower emissions/pollution. in fact i read in the dallas paper some time ago that the exhaust emitted from the tailpipe of the prius was cleaner than the air it took in. therefore i supposedly cleans air. now i dont know whether i fully believe that or not but it is an interesting and alarming article. interesting that the prius is that clean. alarming that dallas air is that filthy. purpose of cutting pollution. savings in the wallet has got to be the driving force in order to get the masses to widely purchase hybrids. unfortunately i agree. most americans are very short-sighted and selfish. this results in screwed up priorities. this is where our government can help make a difference. offering higher tax breaks for cleaner vehicles both to the consumer and the automobile company could bridge the gap. honda is dropping the civic hybrid for the lack of demand. i had not heard this. where did you read it i understand they are dropping the accord and keeping the civic .

From : tbone

miles wrote true some want to be environmentally cleaner. but most dont have the luxury of extra money sitting around to afford a hybrid for that reason. not far from where i live in dallas is the poorest community in the area. its called pleasant grove. people live in shacks. yet they have a set of 24 rims and other mods on their 10 mpg car which cost them at least $5000.00. so miles i *completely* disagree with your comment. its simply not the case. most people *do* have the money. its a matter of priorities. clean air and water take a back seat to big screen tvs loud stereos and rims. the suv hybrids are around a $4500/difference and thus break even in gas savings over a 3-5 year period. but the civic prius and camry wont come close. now is the time for american car companies to take the market. if only they hadnt outsourced the talent and jobs to other countries ... less fuel burned does not in itself equate to lower emissions. look at the horrible emissions of motorcycles...averaging many times the pollution of typical cars yet getting 40-70mpg. well we were discussing cars. hybrid cars have the same emissions requirements as full combustion vehicles. therefore less fuel burned means fewer/lower emissions/pollution. in fact i read in the dallas paper some time ago that the exhaust emitted from the tailpipe of the prius was cleaner than the air it took in. therefore i supposedly cleans air. now i dont know whether i fully believe that or not but it is an interesting and alarming article. interesting that the prius is that clean. alarming that dallas air is that filthy. purpose of cutting pollution. savings in the wallet has got to be the driving force in order to get the masses to widely purchase hybrids. unfortunately i agree. most americans are very short-sighted and selfish. this results in screwed up priorities. this is where our government can help make a difference. offering higher tax breaks for cleaner vehicles both to the consumer and the automobile company could bridge the gap. honda is dropping the civic hybrid for the lack of demand. i had not heard this. where did you read it that is not a cost directly born by the consumer in their wallets. if the government were to give a large tax rebate for purchasers of hybrids then it could help. well there was an okay tax break in place. bush has all but killed it at this point. however i firmly believe that the next president regardless of party affiliation will be forced to kick up the tax incentives. true but thats across the board and not recognized on a per individual basis. a person cant cut their costs of drs bills by purchasing a hybrid. only when almost everyone does so. right. it is the responsibility of those that know better to educate and be an example to those that do not. so ... when are buying your new hybrid - electric motors wear out as well. they are far from maintenance free. only time will tell what the expenses of a hybrid are. true. however my point was that the reduced cost of maintenance added to the fuel savings and factoring in *something* for the hidden costs not only mitigates the extra cost of the hybrid option but saves money. the unfortunate thing as i mentioned earlier is that most americans are too distracted to notice or care. tires are the same size on the civic highlander and escape. which vehicles are you referring to when you say typically i attended the car show a couple of months ago in dallas. hybrid civic sitting next to a full combustion civic had smaller tires. a prius has *tiny* tires. very cheap to replace. there really is nothing to compare it to except the yarus. craig c. .

From : tbone

jeb wrote the new camry hybrid battery is such that you can replace individual cells so expense for replacement is less. a battery is no stronger than its weakest cell. replacing one cell at a time as it wears out is pointless. this really has to be just about the dumbest thing to come out of you so far. if a battery is no stronger than its weakest cell then replacing that weak cell would restore the entire battery so why would you not want the ability to do that -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

on mon 09 jul 2007 173624 -0700 azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote this is true mac like when i found out the chevy had one on it 98 on i-10 and wham! i thought i hit something it shut down so hard. there is a flip side to this though and that is the fact that a truck other than the srt chevy ss454 and ford lightening really dont need to go that fast esspecially if they dont have and most wont the proper tires to handle the speed. well it did take 6 years/56k miles to find out it had one larry... not like its my normal cruising speed... lol mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : miles

ive never heard that before. im not saying i dont beleive you but it just doesnt sound right to me. are 2-cycle motorcycles included in this average its very true. motorcycles dont have the emission requirements that cars must adhere to. a typical motorcycle pollutes far more than an average car. heck even a lawnmower does. 2-cycles pollute even worse and are why their sales are now outlawed in some states. theyre not included in most studies ive seen because they are generally not made for street use. i have heard figures of 10-20 times more pollution from a motorcycle but looking at a few reports suggest its closer to 2-3 times. ill have to see if i can find a few studies from reputable sources. id like to see the figures. i always thought a well-tuned motorcycle was very clean. i guess i was wrong about that. -- ken .

From : miles

by the way this is rally getting me down isnt it because the middle seat in my 2 door has a seat belt too but the end of it is that the back of my cab comes down whenever the cab gets a jar from driving over a bump. the holder of the back interior wall has the neatest plastic clips but unfortunately they dont hold on well... enough. any suggestions please. -- jon a. ranta 29829-8th ave. s.w. federal way wa 98023 253-946-3733 .

From : miles

nosey wrote ive never heard that before. im not saying i dont beleive you but it just doesnt sound right to me. are 2-cycle motorcycles included in this average its very true. motorcycles dont have the emission requirements that cars must adhere to. a typical motorcycle pollutes far more than an average car. heck even a lawnmower does. 2-cycles pollute even worse and are why their sales are now outlawed in some states. theyre not included in most studies ive seen because they are generally not made for street use. i have heard figures of 10-20 times more pollution from a motorcycle but looking at a few reports suggest its closer to 2-3 times. ill have to see if i can find a few studies from reputable sources. .

From : fmb

mac davis wrote another difference to me would be whether you finance it.. id be more inclined to go hybrid if i wasnt paying cash for it.. the payment difference on the more expensive car should be less than the fuel savings if the interest rate is decent... not sure i follow your logic there. if a car costs 7000 more to get the hybrid version then youll pay that much more plus the increased interest over the life of the loan. your savings in gas over that time period will almost certainly not cover the increased cost whether paid monthly or in a lump sum. back to my honda civic example! gas civic dx for $16000 @ 5%/5 years = $302/month hybrid civic for $23000 % 5%/5 years = $434/month drive 20000 miles/year = 1667 miles/month 1667/30mpg gas * $3/gallon = $167/month 1667/50mpg hybrid * $3/gallon = $100 gas cost difference $67/month loan difference = $132/month no way to get there from here! cant generate free money. lol .

From : nosey

craig c. wrote miles wrote people are interested in mpg for one reason. to save money. some people ... not all people. true some want to be environmentally cleaner. but most dont have the luxury of extra money sitting around to afford a hybrid for that reason. they save some money depending on the manufacturer cost of hybrid option varies and how it is driven. the suv hybrids are around a $4500/difference and thus break even in gas savings over a 3-5 year period. but the civic prius and camry wont come close. however dare i open this can of worms many forward thinking people that purchase hybrids do so because it saves $$ on fuel. less fuel is burned resulting in lower air/water pollution. less fuel burned does not in itself equate to lower emissions. look at the horrible emissions of motorcycles...averaging many times the pollution of typical cars yet getting 40-70mpg. most people do not have the extra money to spend on a car for the purpose of cutting pollution. savings in the wallet has got to be the driving force in order to get the masses to widely purchase hybrids. they sold well in their first few years but thats slowed. honda is dropping the civic hybrid for the lack of demand. this helps with *hidden* costs that you have not factored in like cleaning the water and air tax do

From : roy

craig c. wrote miles wrote people are interested in mpg for one reason. to save money. some people ... not all people. true some want to be environmentally cleaner. but most dont have the luxury of extra money sitting around to afford a hybrid for that reason. make up your mind miles. first you say that the economy is doing fantastic and everyone is making much more money and now you are saying that most cannot afford a few thousand more for a hybrid. its either one way or the other miles. the sad part is that the majority believe as you sadly do that if it doesnt put more money in their pocket screw it and the future. they save some money depending on the manufacturer cost of hybrid option varies and how it is driven. the suv hybrids are around a $4500/difference and thus break even in gas savings over a 3-5 year period. but the civic prius and camry wont come close. yea i guess that fuel prices are where they will stay for the next 5 years lol! however dare i open this can of worms many forward thinking people that purchase hybrids do so because it saves $$ on fuel. less fuel is burned resulting in lower air/water pollution. less fuel burned does not in itself equate to lower emissions. look at the horrible emissions of motorcycles...averaging many times the pollution of typical cars yet getting 40-70mpg. hahahahaha more right wing spin. sure motorcycles currently do not have the emissions equipment that cars do and will have somewhat higher ppm counts than a car they also with the exception of the super bikes put out way less volume than a typical car which also equates to less polution. this of course means nothing because he was talking about hybrids and they have the same emissions equipment as any other car and put out way less volume so in this case less fuel burned does directly equate to lower emissions. most people do not have the extra money to spend on a car for the purpose of cutting pollution. savings in the wallet has got to be the driving force in order to get the masses to widely purchase hybrids. they sold well in their first few years but thats slowed. honda is dropping the civic hybrid for the lack of demand. typical short sighted thinking. saving fuel now will equate to savings over the long term because reduced demand for oil will hold the price lower over the long term supply and demand. this helps with *hidden* costs that you have not factored in like cleaning the water and air tax dollars that have been polluted by combustion engines. that is not a cost directly born by the consumer in their wallets. if the government were to give a large tax rebate for purchasers of hybrids then it could help. agreed but unlikely to happen. at least until it is way to late to do any good which is sadly the typical short sighted thinking method much like global warming. another hidden cost is doctor visits insurance/out-of-pocket for allergies or respiratory illness including cancer irritated or *caused* by particulate matter in the air stirred up or created by combustion engines. these hidden costs increase every year. true but thats across the board and not recognized on a per individual basis. a person cant cut their costs of drs bills by purchasing a hybrid. only when almost everyone does so. and as long as everyone feels this way it will never happen. also hybrids require less maintenance. the engine doesnt run all of the time. this doubles sometimes triples the savings over the life of the vehicle. electric motors wear out as well. they are far from maintenance free. only time will tell what the expenses of a hybrid are. it depends on the type of electric motor miles. brushless motors have few wear parts the bearings and with sophisticated control system can be protected from burnout due to lockup andf overheating as well. tires on hybrids are typically much smaller and cheaper than its regular full combustion counterpart. tires are the same size on the civic highlander and escape. which vehicles are you referring to when you say typically -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beekeep

nathan w. collier no@way.spam.com wrote in good thing your under warranty - it cost me 1600 bucks when one of my accuators went south after 38 months - 2 months off warranty. holy smokes! dang seems like an awful lot of trouble for what appears to be a fault in design. any chance of a recall to redesign it are the new trucks still using it far as i know the mechanics are the same on the new trucks. ive been fighting with chrysler over this for months since it started before the truck was off warranty but i couldnt get to the dealer because i was recuperating from surgery. they dont want to hear it. in my case its the heater function - not the a/c. heat blows from the defrost and dash vents only - not from the floor vents. remove an entire dash just to access the heater vent doors you gotta be shitting me. engineers should be required to try to fix a part they screw up locating. i finally got them to reimburse me 100% for a defective a-pillar weatherstrip that was tearing when the doors were closed. the replacements were completely different at the leading edge of the a- pillar which i told chrysler indicated a design fault - which it obviously was - on warranty or not. who the hell looks at weatherstrip when opening or closing your doors that was $175 parts and labor. .

From : beekeep

on mon 9 jul 2007 181153 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote on jul 9 429 am roy r...@fhome.net wrote roy wrote ive been doing a bunch of reading on them. seems that the deal on the batteries isnt what it use to be. under 2k for a replacement. toyota warranty is for 100k or 8 years. 40mpg is nothing to sneeze at. the cost savings just isnt there. a honda civic dx is $16000 and gets 30mpg city. a honda civic hybrid is $23000 and gets 50mpg city. lets say someone drives well over the national average at 20000 miles per year. 20000/30 * $3/gallon = $2000 20000/50 * $3/gallon = $1200 a savings of $800/year. it would take 8.75 years to make up for the higher price of the hybrid. thats not even counting the difference in tax on the two cars which where i live would be $7000 * 8% sales tax = $560 more. furthermore most people dont drive 20000 miles a year i do so it would be even worse for many. you may very well be correct. i guess it is how you look at it and what you are comfortable with. ill be moving from a car that gets 17-19 on the highway and around 15 in the city. also it requires premium fuel. so until the dust settles from the move and i know exactly where we are at it looks pretty good.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - roy though i think that hybrids are a great idea miles does have a point. my wife is thinking about a toyota highlander hybrid but i have gotten her to look at the yaris also. they have a little 4 door sedan that is actually pretty nice looking rather roomy and peppy too. as i recall it gets about 45 - 50 mpg and was only like 14k fully loaded. i looked at them. im leaning toward toyota camry cause they have been doing it for quite some time. they usually put out a very good product they are a fairly decent size and they do real well if you have the misfortune to get involved in a accident. a real retired yankee would go down there and build a car that ran on dead palm fronds! beekeep . 222 337244 4692e31c.1513890@usenet.radix.net that budd thinks he has died and gone to hell beekeep .

From : roy

on jul 9 958 am mac davis mac.splint...@bajadavis.com wrote on sun 08 jul 2007 155741 +0000 chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote good to know its not an ignition problem which is what it felt like.. otoh id much prefer the diesel type governor if i have to have one where the rpm or is limited but doesnt have the back off stumble.. mac please remove splinters before emailing i agree they could control max speed on a gasoline car much more smoothly with computer control if they would just program it as such. the whole shut the thing off for a second just seems a touch rediculous to me. and a bit dangerous when it happens at speed and youre not expecting it.. this is true mac like when i found out the chevy had one on it 98 on i-10 and wham! i thought i hit something it shut down so hard. there is a flip side to this though and that is the fact that a truck other than the srt chevy ss454 and ford lightening really dont need to go that fast esspecially if they dont have and most wont the proper tires to handle the speed. .

From : roy

mac davis mac.splinters@bajadavis.com wrote im guess its governed at least i sort of hope so... took a short road trip last week to the states and the truck cut out twice while passing other cars... felt like an ignition stumble that went away as soon as you took your foot out of it... maybe in the 95 - 100 range too busy to look the older gen ii 92-96 daks were limited to 115mph or 5500rpm. it cuts the fuel injection. whats the speed rating on your tires thats the speed they usually set it to. -- e frank ball frankb@sonic.net .

From : mac davis

miles wrote people are interested in mpg for one reason. to save money. some people ... not all people. buying is to save money. hybrids dont save money. they save some money depending on the manufacturer cost of hybrid option varies and how it is driven. however dare i open this can of worms many forward thinking people that purchase hybrids do so because it saves $$ on fuel. less fuel is burned resulting in lower air/water pollution. this helps with *hidden* costs that you have not factored in like cleaning the water and air tax dollars that have been polluted by combustion engines. another hidden cost is doctor visits insurance/out-of-pocket for allergies or respiratory illness including cancer irritated or *caused* by particulate matter in the air stirred up or created by combustion engines. these hidden costs increase every year. also hybrids require less maintenance. the engine doesnt run all of the time. this doubles sometimes triples the savings over the life of the vehicle. fewer oil changes filter air/fuel/oil. tires on hybrids are typically much smaller and cheaper than its regular full combustion counterpart. to save money and the environment in order walk or bike public transit all electric vehicles hybrids. craig c. .

From : craig c

no max you contradict yourself often. i specifically asked if people should be able to do anything they want if its not a hazard and you have repeatedly said yes. now you say there should be codes but only used as guidelines and not enforced. if they are not enforced then they are useless to even have. false. my intitial post was that property codes per pa definition have no reason to be enforced unless there is a disagreement among parties. at that point the property code is a guideline that can be used to settle the dispute. if all parties agree that something other than code spec is not a problem the government should not use property codes to step in and collect fine monies. when asked why the government should step in your answer wasnt clear. in fact you couldnt answer the question when it was posed preferring to hide behind the anarchy scares me psychosis reciting because its a law and we need uniformity and codes. you then claimed that were more than just houses were people. well thats great if you are so close with your neighbors why the hell do you need rules to keep all of your buddies in line further i detailed how pa law has proven time and again that writing property code to prohibit something simply because it is disliked is illegal. in many cases property code does exactly that. in the specific case of junk vehicles it must be proven that they are a hazard to the public in order to be found guilty. moreover in my specific case the government failed to specify in the code the basis on which they were enforcing it. thus their accusation that i had no registration or inspection was moot but it was used as the evidence in court regardless of the content of the code. many of the property codes ive seen are written with disregard to constitutional law and the case law founded in constitutional law. most are not enforced unless a dispute arises. this proves my point that the intent originally was to solve disagreements not to allow government to monitor harass and persecute the citizens. however the op had a problem with the neighbor who was apparently using his land to get to her garage and when he parked his possession on his land she complained about the fact that he used his land as he saw fit. if that had happened in pa the op would have had a good cause to have her sued for harassment. in the end it comes down to your lack of reading and clinging to a philosophy that government should save us from ourselves and intervene in all activities of human kind so that no one is insulted offended or hurt by their own actions or the actions of another who is simply seeking to express their own rights. the really funny part is iirc you feel the 2nd amendment means everyone should be able to own a gun but you are willing to take rights that are as important away from the individual because you dont like the looks of his house. talk about being contradictory...... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author .

From : miles

max dodge wrote the point is i dont lack respect for neighbors. you have stated here that too bad if your neighbors dont like something you do on your own property. its your property. then you contradict yourself and say youll ask your neighbor...but you never replied what you would do if your neighbor said hed be bothered by your actions. .

From : denny

max dodge wrote false. ive stated where and why and what laws. ive never said it applies to all over. so there are places in the country where you feel property laws restricting what you can do on your own property is acceptable to you .

From : mac davis

on jun 6 904 pm don d...@comcastnospam.net wrote on jun 3 138 pm don d...@comcastnospam.net wrote help ive been getting a rather loud clicking/clunking from the front end of my 2001 dodge dakota sport 5.9l quad cab. already the transfer case and the cv drive axles have been replaced and still the noise continues but now the noise seems to be centralized only on the driver side of the truck .... don this may be a long shot but i had a drivers side clunking noise on my 2004 dakota quadcab.... dealer said most common causes were the abovementioned sway bar but could also be secondary steering shaft. thats what it was on mine. they replaced it under warranty and no more noise. one note though mine made the noise mostly on braking especially when rounding a corner. larry thats 1 more thing to work on larryd thanks i will be working on it on the weekend my problem only seems to happens when i push the gas pedal. it wont make any noise when braking or coasting and it only happens while the truck is moving we actually had a guy sit on the engine and ran the truck in the parking lot to try and find where the noise was coming from. oh well back to the fun don- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i have a similar problem with my dodge durango. i took my shock off and i noticed that the whole where you pass the bolt is slightly elongated. i think it may be the problem - similar to the bolt being loose. my noise happens when i press the break only. i dont know how to get rid of the noise though. i can feel something under my non- pedal foot when i hit the breaks. .

From : roy

good thing your under warranty - it cost me 1600 bucks when one of my accuators went south after 38 months - 2 months off warranty. holy smokes! dang seems like an awful lot of trouble for what appears to be a fault in design. any chance of a recall to redesign it are the new trucks still using it -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//p99sw99.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : denny

roy wrote ive been doing a bunch of reading on them. seems that the deal on the batteries isnt what it use to be. under 2k for a replacement. toyota warranty is for 100k or 8 years. 40mpg is nothing to sneeze at. the cost savings just isnt there. a honda civic dx is $16000 and gets 30mpg city. a honda civic hybrid is $23000 and gets 50mpg city. lets say someone drives well over the national average at 20000 miles per year. 20000/30 * $3/gallon = $2000 20000/50 * $3/gallon = $1200 a savings of $800/year. it would take 8.75 years to make up for the higher price of the hybrid. thats not even counting the difference in tax on the two cars which where i live would be $7000 * 8% sales tax = $560 more. furthermore most people dont drive 20000 miles a year i do so it would be even worse for many. you may very well be correct. i guess it is how you look at it and what you are comfortable with. ill be moving from a car that gets 17-19 on the highway and around 15 in the city. also it requires premium fuel. so until the dust settles from the move and i know exactly where we are at it looks pretty good. .

From : azwiley1

max dodge wrote 3 as stated way back at the beginning the property codes should be guidelines to settle a dispute should one arise. too often the government sees them as a way to interfere with property rights of the individual. you either have a rule or you dont. cant have laws that are enforced only when one feels like it although thats what happens anyways. either have a law or you dont. guideline is pointless and a waste of legislatures time to create. either do or dont. so you are in a suburban location. thanks for confirming that. nearest big city is over 120 miles away from me. we country folk have a different way of looking at things from you city folk. no max you dont. i stated it depends on the area in which you live and proximity to neighbors. the farther apart you are the less effect what you do has on others. it has little to do with where you live. i lived in the phoenix city limits but for years our house was the only one for at least 1/2 mile or more. we prefer to talk to the neighbor and do what you want anyways. if my neighbor decided to put up a 7 fence on our mutual property line tomorrow id look at it as a huge savings of cash. only if you liked the style of fence. we can have a 5 solid fence. we can have a 6 fence but the top foot has to be 50% see through. even though fencing is sold in solid 6 high sections...... how its sold doesnt dictate what the rules should be. usually stores sell what people need and not the other way around. we cannot trim trees without a permit regardless of the threat they may pose to homes. if we trim them we cannot keep the trimmings on the property. they do that here but only for trees over a certain height that require use of large equipment to reach. nor can we keep grass clippings of any amount. but we have to keep the grass lower than 10. note we must trim the grass but we cannot keep the trimmings. catch22 maybe not sure i follow. most people mow their lawns and throw out the trimmings or in some cases use the trimmings as mulch elsewhere. they dont store trimmings. here grass also needs to be kept low 6 although most people mow to 3 or less because when its dry tall grass becomes a fire hazard. driveways must be paved... but id bet 75% are not. phoenix passed that law about 5 years ago to finally get rid of the dust problem we had prior. all roads in phoenix were also paved at that time. dirt roads and driveways are now gone and so is the dust. .

From : azwiley1

so there are places in the country where you feel property laws restricting what you can do on your own property is acceptable to you ive already stated that i think the building codes we have here are a good idea. ive also already stated that the zoning codes we have here are a good idea. property codes if they follow what this small town has are best used as a guideline rather than something that should be enforced. which if you had read what i wrote to begin with you would already know. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote false. ive stated where and why and what laws. ive never said it applies to all over. so there are places in the country where you feel property laws restricting what you can do on your own property is acceptable to you .

From : denny

on jul 9 429 am roy r...@fhome.net wrote roy wrote ive been doing a bunch of reading on them. seems that the deal on the batteries isnt what it use to be. under 2k for a replacement. toyota warranty is for 100k or 8 years. 40mpg is nothing to sneeze at. the cost savings just isnt there. a honda civic dx is $16000 and gets 30mpg city. a honda civic hybrid is $23000 and gets 50mpg city. lets say someone drives well over the national average at 20000 miles per year. 20000/30 * $3/gallon = $2000 20000/50 * $3/gallon = $1200 a savings of $800/year. it would take 8.75 years to make up for the higher price of the hybrid. thats not even counting the difference in tax on the two cars which where i live would be $7000 * 8% sales tax = $560 more. furthermore most people dont drive 20000 miles a year i do so it would be even worse for many. you may very well be correct. i guess it is how you look at it and what you are comfortable with. ill be moving from a car that gets 17-19 on the highway and around 15 in the city. also it requires premium fuel. so until the dust settles from the move and i know exactly where we are at it looks pretty good.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - roy though i think that hybrids are a great idea miles does have a point. my wife is thinking about a toyota highlander hybrid but i have gotten her to look at the yaris also. they have a little 4 door sedan that is actually pretty nice looking rather roomy and peppy too. as i recall it gets about 45 - 50 mpg and was only like 14k fully loaded. .

From : roy

on jul 8 806 pm brian worldindustr...@shaw.ca wrote i know this is a dodge site and i drive a dodge ram 3500 myself my friend has a 2000 gmc sierra 1500. the exhaust is out problem he has headers and magnaflow exhaust. the y pipe and the cats are our problem. their are o2 sensors before and after the cats. i was wondering if we could cut the cats out and weld in pipe the same diameter of the rest of the exhaust and not have problems with trouble codes and such or do we need to get high flow cats being that it is a 2000 i would leave them alone unless there is a problem with them you will not gain enough to justify the costs and headaches. if you cut them out and straight pipe it you will have issues. i have a 99 silverado same thing basically and in 00 they changed the cat set up slightly. if you replace them with anything other than oe you will continuously have a ses light on. if you pop into www.fullsizechevy.com you can get more detailed info on it. it has to do with the flow of the oe vice the aftermarket cats. .

From : denny

max dodge wrote id still like to know why a 7 fence that the neighbors on both sides approve of is a problem to anyone else especially the government. what if your neighbor came to you and asked and you said what he wanted would look like hell next to your property...and he did it anyways lemme guess you live in an urban or suburban development. i am 35 miles from central phoenix on the far northern outskirts. my neighborhood is bordered on two sides by open desert. i do agree that in areas where houses are just scattered far apart among open countryside there should be far less restrictions. thats why others have said that if you wanna do as you please then move to an area where that doesnt bother anyone. .

From : miles

mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote in lots of horror stories i know.... but spend a week with me or denny and you will look at dealerships through new eyes. mike all dealerships are not created equally. feb 05 i took my new 04 ram 1500 hemi on its first long ride - vacation to arkansas. driving into tenn the check engine light came on just as i was parking at the express hotel in jackson. eating dinner at the adjacent roadhouse steakhouse i mentioned to the owner obviously pegged as not from here that i was pretty much stuck unless i found a dodge dealer. turns out he knew the gm at a dealer right down the street i hadnt known about. after hours he called the guy at home and after a brief discussion handed me the phone so he could inquire what my problem was. i explained the check engine light came on and the brand new less than 500 miles truck was not running right. this guy told me to be at his shop at 8am the next day saturday - shop closed! and hed check it out. at the place next morning a mechanic came in on his day off pulled me into the shop and rigged the db11. minutes later he said the number one cylinder coil was out. they didnt have one in stock being a new part but they had just gotten a delivery of new trucks the previous day. not a problem - he popped the hood on a new hemi in the olot and within 15 minutes i was ready to go. no charge of course but i practically had to beg the guy to take a $100 bill tip for coming in. the boss is paying me to come in for this - i cant take that from you he said. suffice it to say i wrote a nice letter to chrysler praising the dealership and mechanic personally and sent a copy to the dealership to put on their wall. bit over a month later i got a nice letter from the owner of the dealership saying he was happy i was pleased with the service and thanking me for writing the note to chrysler. unfortunately - it seems people write letters only to complain and not when a dealer provides good service. .

From : roy

azwiley1 wrote wtf are you two arguing about seriously come on how does a law in az about how a walmart looks have fuck all to do with pa thats true but my issue with max is from his arrogance and complete lack of respect for neighbors. much of the quality of a neighborhood is in its people. when they respect each other and dont just do as they please with disregard its usually a much nicer place to live...at least to me. i realize the laws of one state are not the same as in another but max praises arrogance and disrespect of neighbors! thats my issue. .

From : azwiley1

on jul 8 239 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote roy wrote anybody have any good info on them which is better and so on. would like opinion based on fact not supposition. tia toyota has the best reviews but honda is cheaper and good quality. but i really do not see the purpose of the hybrids. they command a hefty premium in price that will never be recouped from gas savings. and resale will be absolutely horrid when they reach the end of the typical battery life. based upon the current state of the art i would avoid hybrids like the plague... toyota will soon find that paybacks are hell.... jmho seems like they are like a bic lighter. after the 100000 miles or 8 year battery warranty runs out ya throw them away. that would be an awful expensive bic. that is purdy much what ive gathered too. when its time to replace the batteries youre gonna cry. im not sold on the hybrids quite yet but give them a few more years and they may be ok. ive been doing a bunch of reading on them. seems that the deal on the batteries isnt what it use to be. under 2k for a replacement. toyota warranty is for 100k or 8 years. 40mpg is nothing to sneeze at. for me it would be a saving just to use regular gas. took a toyota camry hybrid for a spin yesterday.it accelerated and changed lanes on the highway like the wifes magnum v6. i was impressed with it. roy denny- hide quoted text - - show quoted text -- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - so does that mean we can start calling you a wabbit loving tree hugger!! bg no you can call me a guy that is having a hard time justifying a 425+ hp car to drive a couple of miles to the beach. i bought charger with the thought that id be making the trip from fl to ma a few times a year for a number of years. now with the wife deciding to move totally to fl that wont be happening. also i like toys. if it isnt going to be driven a bunch the charger ceases to be a toy. so a transportation type car is in order. as far as loving a rabbit and hugging a tree goes well. the rabbit is something only a mother could love. i figure his wife is a frustrated social worker. bfg .

From : roy

max dodge wrote so if i choose to put up a fence and the only person i consult is the neighbor who will have the fence along his property tough shit for the rest of the neighborhood. why bother giving a dang what your neighbor thinks he has no right to tell you what you can and cant do. yeah and its such a horrible thing to deal with..... very true indeed. trashed neighborhoods that have a i can do anything i want attitude are horrible and often go down the tubes. come visit south phoenix guadalupe or parts of glendale az and youll see what i mean. people have total disregard for their neighbors and the area shows the consequences of that attitude. .

From : miles

that could be. i dont have any problem with a 7 fence in general. it depends on the neighborhood. if i lived in an area where nobody had any fences resulting in a rather open natural country look then i would be upset at someone building a large brick fence. my neighbor in maryland built an 8 fence in a neighborhood that has no fences. no one complained and i doubt it did anything to the property value although it may have gone up due to the fence. i wasnt consulted but then it doesnt front on my property. its 60 from it since we have a 60 wide right of way between the properties. its my opinion that he put it up because the row is not private property and anyone could have walked on that strip of land. i dont mind it being there at all. you told me the laws are worthless because they are unconstitutional. i asked to state where in the constitution it mentions that and you referred me to the 10th amendement...which does not prohibit such laws. it does but one must follow the legal paperwork trail of case law to see that fact. in many neighborhoods one cant build a structure that doesnt architecturally fit in to the surrounding terrain and buildings. the building permit will be rejected. i agree with much of these codes. it would look horrible to have an anything goes policy. again i dont have a problem with building codes. its the property codes which are a mess and infringe on the rights of a private owner. now you are talking about your particular area and not policies in general. i already stated that laws do exist for particular neighborhoods and people buy there with those laws in mind as to what they can and cannot do. in my particular state. and thats what ive said since the beginning with documentation to back what ive said. wouldnt bother me a bit. it would bother many others and create a horrible neighborhood to not have any structured policies at all. 1 you cannot assume what others would be bothered by. 2 you cannot assume it would be a horrible neighborhood. again if building codes allowed it no problem. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author .

From : milesjeb

seems like in ma some of pas property codes are covered in ma zoning law. the number and size of parking spaces are regulated by zoning. ma doesnt have separate property codes. do pa cities utilize a planning board or conservation board some towns have a planning commission depending on the size of the town and if there is reason to use more than just the codes enforcement officer. it seems to depend more on what is being built in town than if there should actually be a plan. we have historical architecture review boards. harb can be as idiotic and as helpful as the individuals on them want to be. in a local town harb refused to allow vinyl siding to be installed over wood siding despite the fact that the vinyl was exactly the same in color dimension and reveal as the original wood siding. when the public caught wind of this they arrived at the board meeting with intent to disassemble the board. a word on the codes officer he is not certified to enforce the building code and is only tasked with finding property code violations. iow his task is mostly to provide income via fines. his position is a duplicate; the county is required by the state to have a codes officer who is certified to check building zoning and property codes. furthermore the borough building codes are overseen by a private company which is paid the same per year as the codes enforcement officer gets. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author a definition of property codes as determined by the commonwealth of pennsylvania are codes that determine maintenance and sundry things such as grass height tree trimming pavement area parking spaces etc. building codes are that set of regulations that determine how a building may be constructed with regard to materials and standards for structure electrical plumbing and waste. zoning codes are the set of regulations that determine what areas of land may be used for specific things such as agriculture manufacturing business and residential. seems like in ma some of pas property codes are covered in ma zoning law. the number and size of parking spaces are regulated by zoning. ma doesnt have separate property codes. do pa cities utilize a planning board or conservation board .

From : beekeep

the document i have is specific to the commonwealth of pennsylvania. however i believe that any property owner so long as they follow the zoning codes should do as they see fit with their land where ever it may be. and its thoughts like this that created the very laws that you hate. no its whiney intolerant assholes who want government to solve all their problems and save them from the world that created laws that i hate. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author so are you only referring to your particular area in what you are for or against or should people be able to do as they please nationwide in all neighborhoods the document i have is specific to the commonwealth of pennsylvania. however i believe that any property owner so long as they follow the zoning codes should do as they see fit with their land where ever it may be. and its thoughts like this that created the very laws that you hate. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

just trying to help a friend out and yall jump on my case... see if i ever get you a christmas present..... denny if it was going to be white castle............. *grin* oh did you know they are making a movie about you -- chris the life and times of good ole denny or revenge of the rabbit or dont piss off the bunny denny .

From : denny

door that has been failing and is becoming a somewhat common issue. now its a matter of waiting until thursday to get me in. - dont feel bad... my dealership took 9 days to replace my leaking evaporator... and that was after i told them when i scheduled the appointment that the evaporator was leaking. nothing like being proactive and making sure you have the parts in stock right come on.... thats just crazy talk. almost as good as the time my battery exploded on me and they told me theyd have to order a replacement because they didnt have one in stock. youve got 500 trucks out there on the lot and im pretty sure most of them have a battery or two in them. blank stare ahhh.... dealerships. im dreading my next appointment... cant imagine how long its going to take to repair a broken nav system. what do you figure 4 days 6 i can hardly wait... hey tom drive a few hours west and ill say i can have it fixed for ya in about 4 months. ill even spring for the white castles while ya wait... vbg denny cheapskate!! you never offered me no white castles....!! mike .

From : roy

door that has been failing and is becoming a somewhat common issue. now its a matter of waiting until thursday to get me in. - dont feel bad... my dealership took 9 days to replace my leaking evaporator... and that was after i told them when i scheduled the appointment that the evaporator was leaking. nothing like being proactive and making sure you have the parts in stock right come on.... thats just crazy talk. almost as good as the time my battery exploded on me and they told me theyd have to order a replacement because they didnt have one in stock. youve got 500 trucks out there on the lot and im pretty sure most of them have a battery or two in them. blank stare ahhh.... dealerships. im dreading my next appointment... cant imagine how long its going to take to repair a broken nav system. what do you figure 4 days 6 i can hardly wait... hey tom drive a few hours west and ill say i can have it fixed for ya in about 4 months. ill even spring for the white castles while ya wait... vbg denny .

From : mike simmons

azwiley1 thought everyone should know on jul 6 1253 pm tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcie...@earthlink.net wrote i give it 8 days! your becoming a optimist larry!! 2 weeks min!! they gonna have to get star center involved and everything *grin* sorry tom just my pessimistic forecast -- chris lots of horror stories i know.... but spend a week with me or denny and you will look at dealerships through new eyes. mike .

From : miles

door that has been failing and is becoming a somewhat common issue. now its a matter of waiting until thursday to get me in. - dont feel bad... my dealership took 9 days to replace my leaking evaporator... and that was after i told them when i scheduled the appointment that the evaporator was leaking. nothing like being proactive and making sure you have the parts in stock right come on.... thats just crazy talk. almost as good as the time my battery exploded on me and they told me theyd have to order a replacement because they didnt have one in stock. youve got 500 trucks out there on the lot and im pretty sure most of them have a battery or two in them. blank stare ahhh.... dealerships. im dreading my next appointment... cant imagine how long its going to take to repair a broken nav system. what do you figure 4 days 6 i can hardly wait... whats wrong with the nav system tom what i generally do is if i am sure that it is the head unit i order an exchange for the customer and when they come in we make the swap. one trip.... no waiting..... mike .

From : azwiley1

tom lawrence wrote i looked online at various part suppliers and cant find any reference to a drag link as a part you can buy. is it called something else or am i only replacing the ball joints on the drag link sorry i dont mean to be a pain and appriciate all the help youre given me but as usual im a bit confused. yeah thats because they call them all tie-rod ends. to me a tie rod connects between the steering knuckles - a drag link connects from the pitman arm to either a steering knuckle or a tie rod. but whats in a name anyhow youve got a few options. spicer part# 4101058b service grade for about $52 spicer part# 4101058 professional grade for about $100 moog part# ds1309 for about $103 or ac delco part# 45a3058 for about $127. if it were me id go the $52 version myself. all prices/part numbers from http//www.rockauto.com use discount code rockval6 for an additional 5% discount expires 7/15/2007 .