OT: welding 101

From : rachel easson

Q: hi guys some of you know i am taking welding classes in ottawa since i inherited all the garage tools incl. torches and a yard full of dodges the teacher asked me yesterday if i was intending to sign up for another welding class they have arc 1 2 mig and tig and i replied it depends on the cash $270 cdn. he told me i should take tig next which i take as a complement - -- course i dont have money for a cheap tig setup yet but maybe after i sell one of the 80s 4x4 dakotas currently asking $1200 that i have to put in a flywheel will need physical help for this and starter and do some body panel bed and floor work on after that i ought to get $1800 cdn things are looking up and although there is still over 2 feet of snow in the yard there will only be occasional flurries hopefully and freezing rain season has started. there have been two days where you can sit where theres no wind in the sun and soak in some rays for a good 20 minutes before you have to warm up and grab another beer i updated my website and you can actually see where denholm qc is and the three ski hills within 1/2 hour drive my son went skiing yesterday http//www3.sympatico.ca/rske click on contact me in menu -- brag brag all hand coded html rach .

Replies:

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. -- budd cochran hi guys some of you know i am taking welding classes in ottawa since i inherited all the garage tools incl. torches and a yard full of dodges the teacher asked me yesterday if i was intending to sign up for another welding class they have arc 1 2 mig and tig and i replied it depends on the cash $270 cdn. he told me i should take tig next which i take as a complement - -- course i dont have money for a cheap tig setup yet but maybe after i sell one of the 80s 4x4 dakotas currently asking $1200 that i have to put in a flywheel will need physical help for this and starter and do some body panel bed and floor work on after that i ought to get $1800 cdn things are looking up and although there is still over 2 feet of snow in the yard there will only be occasional flurries hopefully and freezing rain season has started. there have been two days where you can sit where theres no wind in the sun and soak in some rays for a good 20 minutes before you have to warm up and grab another beer i updated my website and you can actually see where denholm qc is and the three ski hills within 1/2 hour drive my son went skiing yesterday http//www3.sympatico.ca/rske click on contact me in menu -- brag brag all hand coded html rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. dear budd cool! my sons best friends mom is a welder -- ill ask her to give me a hand. my late c-l husband left compression tools sand blaster paint supplies and a propane-o2 setup plus a contract with praxair. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. ill ask her about this -- this is all new to me. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. ill never get into racing applications i imagine but if i get the 5 trucks in shape and cut up the two junkers this summer that will be a good start. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. helps you feel good and stay young too rach .

From : tbone

hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. are you sure about that i have found wire feed welding and even mig to be more like stick welding than like tig. perhaps some input from the group welding expert would be helpful here. as for learning the oxy / actelene methods i agree completely. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. the hardest thing i find with stick welding is determining which stick to use and firing off the arc instead of sticking the rod. as for the slag flux core wire produces a fair amount of slag also. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. wise suggestion. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beekeep

on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. after using my little miller 185 millermatic mig a couple of times the stick welder went out the door. no slag you can weld thin sheets and heavy steel. i never had any training and get by. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. who are you kidding we all know that you weld using a couple of flint stones making sparks! but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. -- budd cochran hi guys some of you know i am taking welding classes in ottawa since i inherited all the garage tools incl. torches and a yard full of dodges the teacher asked me yesterday if i was intending to sign up for another welding class they have arc 1 2 mig and tig and i replied it depends on the cash $270 cdn. he told me i should take tig next which i take as a complement - -- course i dont have money for a cheap tig setup yet but maybe after i sell one of the 80s 4x4 dakotas currently asking $1200 that i have to put in a flywheel will need physical help for this and starter and do some body panel bed and floor work on after that i ought to get $1800 cdn things are looking up and although there is still over 2 feet of snow in the yard there will only be occasional flurries hopefully and freezing rain season has started. there have been two days where you can sit where theres no wind in the sun and soak in some rays for a good 20 minutes before you have to warm up and grab another beer i updated my website and you can actually see where denholm qc is and the three ski hills within 1/2 hour drive my son went skiing yesterday http//www3.sympatico.ca/rske click on contact me in menu -- brag brag all hand coded html rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. after using my little miller 185 millermatic mig a couple of times the stick welder went out the door. no slag you can weld thin sheets and heavy steel. i never had any training and get by. yes but some of us dont like our welds to be confused with bee droppings. . . . . . . . ; i figure ill get droppings but i can grind them off if i dont melt all the metal away grn snip rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. are you sure about that i have found wire feed welding and even mig to be more like stick welding than like tig. perhaps some input from the group welding expert would be helpful here. as for learning the oxy / actelene methods i agree completely. who asked you i didnt. support from you is like an anchor to a drowning person. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. the hardest thing i find with stick welding is determining which stick to use and firing off the arc instead of sticking the rod. as for the slag flux core wire produces a fair amount of slag also. where did i mention flux core i didnt. i weld 0.035 steel with a 1/16 6013 or 6014 rod on a 115 volt j.c.whitney buzz box to do rust repair on my cushman. i dont have trouble starting the arc. nor did i have trouble starting an arc on 1/2 wall mild steel pipe with 3/16 6014 rod using a 1940s hobart 220v motor / generator welder. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. wise suggestion. not for you it isnt. i will not be replying to you in the future and i have no need for your endorsements. there are others here far more qualified to do so than you. besides youll forget the times im correct especially the ones you endorsed when another bash budd chance arises. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : roy

i will not be replying to you in the future well that will keep the bs down a bit! bfg roy .

From : tbone

once again you act like a child. oh well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. are you sure about that i have found wire feed welding and even mig to be more like stick welding than like tig. perhaps some input from the group welding expert would be helpful here. as for learning the oxy / actelene methods i agree completely. who asked you i didnt. support from you is like an anchor to a drowning person. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. the hardest thing i find with stick welding is determining which stick to use and firing off the arc instead of sticking the rod. as for the slag flux core wire produces a fair amount of slag also. where did i mention flux core i didnt. i weld 0.035 steel with a 1/16 6013 or 6014 rod on a 115 volt j.c.whitney buzz box to do rust repair on my cushman. i dont have trouble starting the arc. nor did i have trouble starting an arc on 1/2 wall mild steel pipe with 3/16 6014 rod using a 1940s hobart 220v motor / generator welder. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. wise suggestion. not for you it isnt. i will not be replying to you in the future and i have no need for your endorsements. there are others here far more qualified to do so than you. besides youll forget the times im correct especially the ones you endorsed when another bash budd chance arises. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. dear budd cool! my sons best friends mom is a welder -- ill ask her to give me a hand. excellent!!!! when i learned to weld the maintenance departments test was to weld a small i beam to an upright steel post and then climb up on it. my instructor was a gentleman that soon retired named sully. my weld was onlt 2 long and only along the top of the 4 beam. i walked out to the unsupported endn and jumped up and down on it. then i hopped down picked up the free end and broke the weld off the post. sully called the boss over to tell him budd will be your best welder before he makes journeyman. i tried to make his words come true. he was a great welder himself and took the time i needed to make sure i knew all he could teach me my late c-l husband left compression tools sand blaster paint supplies and a propane-o2 setup plus a contract with praxair. propane works well but its not quite as hot as a acetylene flame. still use what you got buy better when you can. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. ill ask her about this -- this is all new to me. stick welding is also called straight arc welding and uses the flux coated welding rods. because of the flux a good weld can be harder to get. the flux wants to mix in the melted steel puddle and leave it porous and weak. also it has the most need for clean metal before welding. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. ill never get into racing applications i imagine but if i get the 5 trucks in shape and cut up the two junkers this summer that will be a good start. dont sell yourself short my friend. the only one with the right to tell you what you cannot do or limit what you do in life is yourself. you strike me as being a person with hopes and dreams yet to be realized. dont give up a single one till theyve gone down in flames. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. helps you feel good and stay young too well thats true to a point. sometimes our genetics cause troubles that cant be overcome or ignored. i inherited some physical limits from my folks but i try to not let them get me down. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : rachel easson

222 314432 vbkrf.4734$ng.162341@20.bellglobal.com budd cochran wrote snip i inherited some physical limits from my folks but i try to not let them get me down. so did i grn mental ones! lol! true though -- clinical depression grn rach i got arthritis heart problems diabetes from my folks and had polio as a kid . . . im a walking mess!!! budd but youre still walking around pointy head and all grn rach .

From : rachel easson

nathan w. collier wrote i typically stop following threads once they go to shit with personal attacks and i cant find the original post on my server. if youre new to welding i recommend that you read http//collierwelding.com/tech/welders/index.html to get some background on different processes. i need to update the prices but everything else should be current. if you have any specific questions please ask. dear nathan i typically ignore personal attacks -- thrown at me they are usually shit sliding off a teflon coat in the rain and i figure most other outgoing recipients feel likewise so there is usually no need to defend the injured party. if i inadvertently attack someone personally either i was the oly one who got the joke or i was pityingly poor in expressing a remark well-intentioned ;- i found your link extremely useful and the video was excellent. i forwarded to my teacher for other inquiring students minds who want to know. the video is an excellent medium for this and i am going to look for more welding instructional videos. when the weather is nice and marcel my neighbours brother has time i will ask him to coach me a bit do a bunch of practice and repeat repeatedly each time he comes up most weekends with his welder. thanks again rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote snip i inherited some physical limits from my folks but i try to not let them get me down. so did i grn mental ones! lol! true though -- clinical depression grn rach i got arthritis heart problems diabetes from my folks and had polio as a kid . . . im a walking mess!!! budd but youre still walking around pointy head and all grn rach shhh!!!! i told you not to mention that!! vbg yeah but occasionally i have to get my training wheel cane back out so it can exercise a bit. budd *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

now didnt i say he was good -- budd cochran nathan w. collier wrote i typically stop following threads once they go to shit with personal attacks and i cant find the original post on my server. if youre new to welding i recommend that you read http//collierwelding.com/tech/welders/index.html to get some background on different processes. i need to update the prices but everything else should be current. if you have any specific questions please ask. dear nathan i typically ignore personal attacks -- thrown at me they are usually shit sliding off a teflon coat in the rain and i figure most other outgoing recipients feel likewise so there is usually no need to defend the injured party. if i inadvertently attack someone personally either i was the oly one who got the joke or i was pityingly poor in expressing a remark well-intentioned ;- i found your link extremely useful and the video was excellent. i forwarded to my teacher for other inquiring students minds who want to know. the video is an excellent medium for this and i am going to look for more welding instructional videos. when the weather is nice and marcel my neighbours brother has time i will ask him to coach me a bit do a bunch of practice and repeat repeatedly each time he comes up most weekends with his welder. thanks again rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

well it may reduce it by only one eighth. . . . . . vbg -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams i will not be replying to you in the future well that will keep the bs down a bit! bfg roy *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : rachel easson

tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. after using my little miller 185 millermatic mig a couple of times the stick welder went out the door. no slag you can weld thin sheets and heavy steel. i never had any training and get by. yes but some of us dont like our welds to be confused with bee droppings. .. . . . . . . ; stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. who are you kidding we all know that you weld using a couple of flint stones making sparks! yep larned it from ol freddy flintstones second cousin on his mudders side. the trick is to be able to bang the rocks together and not get a weld flash get good penetration and not catch any vital body parts in the process. budd *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : rachel easson

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. dear budd cool! my sons best friends mom is a welder -- ill ask her to give me a hand. excellent!!!! when i learned to weld the maintenance departments test was to weld a small i beam to an upright steel post and then climb up on it. my instructor was a gentleman that soon retired named sully. my weld was onlt 2 long and only along the top of the 4 beam. i walked out to the unsupported endn and jumped up and down on it. then i hopped down picked up the free end and broke the weld off the post. sully called the boss over to tell him budd will be your best welder before he makes journeyman. i tried to make his words come true. he was a great welder himself and took the time i needed to make sure i knew all he could teach me cool! i had an evangelist baptist friend out in calgary who got me started in computer programming -- it is good to have mentors my late c-l husband left compression tools sand blaster paint supplies and a propane-o2 setup plus a contract with praxair. propane works well but its not quite as hot as a acetylene flame. still use what you got buy better when you can. out in denholm you need to drive 15 minutes for bread and milk so you get propane or you have to drive an hour to fill up the acetylene. my instructor says it will do just fine for my applications. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. ill ask her about this -- this is all new to me. stick welding is also called straight arc welding and uses the flux coated welding rods. because of the flux a good weld can be harder to get. the flux wants to mix in the melted steel puddle and leave it porous and weak. also it has the most need for clean metal before welding. aah! thats what my neighbours brother does -- and he said hell show me -- hes off on long term disability for his back. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. ill never get into racing applications i imagine but if i get the 5 trucks in shape and cut up the two junkers this summer that will be a good start. dont sell yourself short my friend. the only one with the right to tell you what you cannot do or limit what you do in life is yourself. you strike me as being a person with hopes and dreams yet to be realized. dont give up a single one till theyve gone down in flames. i guess you have a point. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. helps you feel good and stay young too well thats true to a point. sometimes our genetics cause troubles that cant be overcome or ignored. i inherited some physical limits from my folks but i try to not let them get me down. so did i grn mental ones! lol! true though -- clinical depression grn rach .

From : frank boettcher

on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. before i changed professions i was a welder in the pressure piping and vessel industry. stick smaw is the most versatile in that you can weld all types of materials and positions without having to have a fortune tied up in wire spools. however there is an application for everything and mig gmaw flux core fcaw tig gtaw submerged arc saw are all valuable to know. mig in particular if you are going to be welding thinner material that cant stand the heat. with stick invest in a dc machine that will go at least 180 amps. more is better but that seems to be the least costly. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. .

From : rachel easson

frank boettcher wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. before i changed professions i was a welder in the pressure piping and vessel industry. stick smaw is the most versatile in that you can weld all types of materials and positions without having to have a fortune tied up in wire spools. however there is an application for everything and mig gmaw flux core fcaw tig gtaw submerged arc saw are all valuable to know. mig in particular if you are going to be welding thinner material that cant stand the heat. with stick invest in a dc machine that will go at least 180 amps. more is better but that seems to be the least costly. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. thanks frank so ill try to pick up stick arc from my neighbours brother first. i appreciate the advice rach p.s i got a friend to give me some help -- i think we finally got the 86-ish dodge running with the new rebuilt distributer! .

From : nathan w collier

i typically stop following threads once they go to shit with personal attacks and i cant find the original post on my server. if youre new to welding i recommend that you read http//collierwelding.com/tech/welders/index.html to get some background on different processes. i need to update the prices but everything else should be current. if you have any specific questions please ask. -- nathan w. collier http//utilityoffroad.com http//7slotgrille.com http//inlinediesel.com http//collierwelding.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com http//concealedcarryforum.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

tom and i dont get along rach. imho i think it would be for the better if i stayed out of his replies and he stayed out of mine. -- budd cochran tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. after using my little miller 185 millermatic mig a couple of times the stick welder went out the door. no slag you can weld thin sheets and heavy steel. i never had any training and get by. yes but some of us dont like our welds to be confused with bee droppings. . . . . . . . ; i figure ill get droppings but i can grind them off if i dont melt all the metal away grn snip rach its pretty much guaranteed youll get the droppings and the burn throughs at first just dont give up. it took me three weeks at 2 hrs a day to figure out that sully was a bit more experienced than me back when i was 20 and knew everything. budd *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

rach nate knows his stuff. ill vouch for him anytime -- budd cochran frank boettcher wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 063833 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. before i changed professions i was a welder in the pressure piping and vessel industry. stick smaw is the most versatile in that you can weld all types of materials and positions without having to have a fortune tied up in wire spools. however there is an application for everything and mig gmaw flux core fcaw tig gtaw submerged arc saw are all valuable to know. mig in particular if you are going to be welding thinner material that cant stand the heat. with stick invest in a dc machine that will go at least 180 amps. more is better but that seems to be the least costly. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. thanks frank so ill try to pick up stick arc from my neighbours brother first. i appreciate the advice rach p.s i got a friend to give me some help -- i think we finally got the 86-ish dodge running with the new rebuilt distributer! *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote hey rach in my opinion the basic welding methods to learn are oxy / acetylene you can weld cut braze solder temper and form metals with it and tig. the techniques for wire / mig welding are close enough to tig you can probably teach yourself if you wish. dear budd cool! my sons best friends mom is a welder -- ill ask her to give me a hand. excellent!!!! when i learned to weld the maintenance departments test was to weld a small i beam to an upright steel post and then climb up on it. my instructor was a gentleman that soon retired named sully. my weld was onlt 2 long and only along the top of the 4 beam. i walked out to the unsupported endn and jumped up and down on it. then i hopped down picked up the free end and broke the weld off the post. sully called the boss over to tell him budd will be your best welder before he makes journeyman. i tried to make his words come true. he was a great welder himself and took the time i needed to make sure i knew all he could teach me cool! i had an evangelist baptist friend out in calgary who got me started in computer programming -- it is good to have mentors im just a novice user with asperations of staying a novice user. i can format a drive install software and most hardware and reboot my system . . ..thats enough. my last programming was done with commodore c=64 running basic. my late c-l husband left compression tools sand blaster paint supplies and a propane-o2 setup plus a contract with praxair. propane works well but its not quite as hot as a acetylene flame. still use what you got buy better when you can. out in denholm you need to drive 15 minutes for bread and milk so you get propane or you have to drive an hour to fill up the acetylene. my instructor says it will do just fine for my applications. then go for it. like i said move up when able if you need to stick welding is good to learn also and was the industry standard for many years. its biggest difficulty is getting the heat right to give the required penetration and easy slag removal. the lack of slag is the main advantage as i see it for wire / tig / mig welding methods. ill ask her about this -- this is all new to me. stick welding is also called straight arc welding and uses the flux coated welding rods. because of the flux a good weld can be harder to get. the flux wants to mix in the melted steel puddle and leave it porous and weak. also it has the most need for clean metal before welding. aah! thats what my neighbours brother does -- and he said hell show me -- hes off on long term disability for his back. its a good skill to know. its the only welding you can do with car batteries and jumper cables 100 miles from anywhere. i still use a 115v ac buzz box stick welder for most of my welding but i dont expect any of it to handle racing stresses or off road duty. with multiple slow passes maximum heat setting with small rods i can weld up to 3/8 thick. im planning on getting a stitch welder attachment for doing sheet metal for body work. ill never get into racing applications i imagine but if i get the 5 trucks in shape and cut up the two junkers this summer that will be a good start. dont sell yourself short my friend. the only one with the right to tell you what you cannot do or limit what you do in life is yourself. you strike me as being a person with hopes and dreams yet to be realized. dont give up a single one till theyve gone down in flames. i guess you have a point. well dont tell anyone or theyll make me wear a hat to cover it up. . . . .. but as my step-dad always said always try to learn something new each day. helps you feel good and stay young too well thats true to a point. sometimes our genetics cause troubles that cant be overcome or ignored. i inherited some physical limits from my folks but i try to not let them get me down. so did i grn mental ones! lol! true though -- clinical depression grn rach i got arthritis heart problems diabetes from my folks and had polio as a kid . . . im a walking mess!!! budd *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : max dodge

-- tbone sez...... no it would not. it would have power but it would still not be powered. max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach .

From : rachel easson

tbone wrote this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. it doesnt matter -- i thought it was funny grn rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

huh that quote makes less sense than i do. waitaminit . . . . did i just say that need more caffeine . . . . need more caffeine . . . . need more caffeine . . . need more caffeine . . . . budd cochran our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- tbone sez...... no it would not. it would have power but it would still not be powered. max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : tbone

funny how everybody else in the power outlet thread understands it but you. but with your childish actions i can see why not. funny how you broadcast this when you are the idiot that claimed an alternator will produce 12 volts at any rpm which btw would include zero lol!!!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- tbone sez...... no it would not. it would have power but it would still not be powered. i realize that with your limited intelligence that this is way over your head so let me try and explain it to you. in order for something to be powered it actually has to be able to perform some function. if the ground wire was broken then it is disabled. there may still be 12v on the center pin have power but would still not have a complete circuit not powered and be non-functional much like yourself. if i were to remove the driveshafts from your vehicle the engine would still run and therefore the vehicle would still have power but since it would be unable to deliver that power to the wheels where it is needed to work it would no longer be powered. max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

i did and i mentioned also that it would be a good idea if we avoided each others posts but he flunked the test. -- budd cochran the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that ummm... budd didnt you say a few days ago you werent going to reply to him anymore i will not be replying to you in the future just askin... *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

ok got a pot of coffee in me . . . absolutes are a difficult concept they either are or they are not. either there is voltage of some value or there is no voltage. either there is rotational momentum or there is not. these are absolutes like true or false pure black or pure white a switch is on or it is off etc. there can be no gray area when applying an absolute but some do not accept the concept and are absolute in their rejection of the concept. -- budd cochran our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- tbone sez...... no it would not. it would have power but it would still not be powered. max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : tbone

ok got a pot of coffee in me . . . absolutes are a difficult concept they either are or they are not. the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. either there is voltage of some value or there is no voltage. either there is rotational momentum or there is not. these are absolutes like true or false pure black or pure white a switch is on or it is off etc. sounds simple doesnt it. too bad it often isnt so. the minute there is even a second variable that changes the outcome absolutes are out the window. take voltage for example. while there may be a voltage if the current requirements can change as they often do in an accessory jack to apoint where the voltage drop drops the voltage below a usable level then there is no absolute. the same goes for all of the above examples even the switch. while the switch may be on or off there could be internal damage causing it to have some conduction under certain conditions like high humidity in the off position or some corrosion causing some current limiting in the on position which once again eliminates the absolute factor. there can be no gray area when applying an absolute but some do not accept the concept and are absolute in their rejection of the concept. the problem budd is that absolutes cannot be applied to most situations. the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. if the circuit is incomplete like a bad or broken ground then it cannot be powered as it will not function. too very different things. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. you dont apply power you apply voltage and if and when the circuit is completed current flows at that point you have power being consumed v = e x i are you referring to ohms law and if so try getting the equation right. its v or e = i x r where v or e = voltage i = current and r = resistance. your equation puts voltage on both sides which is meaningless. if you were looking for the equation for power that would be p = e x i. the word power in this sentence is being used as a generic term for voltage but you already knew that didnt you!! but if not just replace the word power with the word voltage and like magic it still works. before you jump on me in the future for using the wrong term make sure that yours are correct especially in the very complaint you have against me lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

ok got a pot of coffee in me . . . absolutes are a difficult concept they either are or they are not. the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that they exist. either there is voltage of some value or there is no voltage. either there is rotational momentum or there is not. these are absolutes like true or false pure black or pure white a switch is on or it is off etc. sounds simple doesnt it. it is but youll try to complicate it. too bad it often isnt so. the minute there is even a second variable that changes the outcome absolutes are out the window. take voltage for example. while there may be a voltage if the current requirements can change as they often do in an accessory jack to apoint where the voltage drop drops the voltage below a usable level then there is no absolute. is there a measurable voltage if there is then it proves my point if not it still proves the point. the same goes for all of the above examples even the switch. while the switch may be on or off there could be internal damage causing it to have some conduction under certain conditions like high humidity in the off position or some corrosion causing some current limiting in the on position which once again eliminates the absolute factor. then the switch is defective. yet even though defective it proves the point. the switch will fail either on current passage allowed or off current passage denied. both are absolutes. no gray area when applying an absolute but some do not accept the concept and are absolute in their rejection of the concept. the problem budd is that absolutes cannot be applied to most situations. yes they can. the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. an absolute truth / fact proving the point. if the circuit is incomplete like a bad or broken ground then it cannot be powered as it will not function. too very different things. an absolute truth / fact proving the point that there is no measurable voltage at the power socket. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : tbone

ok got a pot of coffee in me . . . absolutes are a difficult concept they either are or they are not. the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that they exist. and many times they do not. the minute you have a variable you cannot have an absolute. either there is voltage of some value or there is no voltage. either there is rotational momentum or there is not. these are absolutes like true or false pure black or pure white a switch is on or it is off etc. sounds simple doesnt it. it is but youll try to complicate it. no i just understand it more than you. too bad it often isnt so. the minute there is even a second variable that changes the outcome absolutes are out the window. take voltage for example. while there may be a voltage if the current requirements can change as they often do in an accessory jack to apoint where the voltage drop drops the voltage below a usable level then there is no absolute. is there a measurable voltage if there is then it proves my point if not it still proves the point. it proves nothing. if the voltage changes for whatever reason there can be no absolute. the same goes for all of the above examples even the switch. while the switch may be on or off there could be internal damage causing it to have some conduction under certain conditions like high humidity in the off position or some corrosion causing some current limiting in the on position which once again eliminates the absolute factor. then the switch is defective. yet even though defective it proves the point. the switch will fail either on current passage allowed or off current passage denied. both are absolutes. but that is not true. if it were a dry day the switch will not fail or if the current requirements are below the current limiting of the corrosion that day the switch will work as expected. again no absolutes when varaibles are involved. no gray area when applying an absolute but some do not accept the concept and are absolute in their rejection of the concept. the problem budd is that absolutes cannot be applied to most situations. yes they can. and you would be wrong most of the time as most situations have variables and variables make absolutes impossible. the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. an absolute truth / fact proving the point. once again you fail to see the big picture. if the circuit is incomplete like a bad or broken ground then it cannot be powered as it will not function. too very different things. an absolute truth / fact proving the point that there is no measurable voltage at the power socket. sure there is. there is just no ground there which proves my point there is power but it is not powered. thanks budd. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : gary glaenzer

the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. you dont apply power you apply voltage and if and when the circuit is completed current flows at that point you have power being consumed v = e x i .

From : tbone

i find it quite sad that a grown adult has to continue to act this way. what horrifies me is the fact that i was doing it for a while myself. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. it doesnt matter -- i thought it was funny grn rach .

From : gary glaenzer

the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. you dont apply power you apply voltage and if and when the circuit is completed current flows at that point you have power being consumed v = e x i are you referring to ohms law and if so try getting the equation right. yeah yeah so i made a typo big fucking deal p = e x i and you still do not apply power you apply voltage which causes current flow which e x i causes power to be consumed if you spent as many words on explaining why your explanation was a cock-up instead of pointing out typos wed get somewhere but.........you cant explain how you can have power without current flow can you remainder of his rant snipped .

From : tom lawrence

the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that ummm... budd didnt you say a few days ago you werent going to reply to him anymore i will not be replying to you in the future just askin... .

From : tbone

we both knew that wasnt gonna happen -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that ummm... budd didnt you say a few days ago you werent going to reply to him anymore i will not be replying to you in the future just askin... .

From : tbone

the funny thing here is that there is no gray area either. if you apply power to a circuit then it has power as it can be measured. you dont apply power you apply voltage and if and when the circuit is completed current flows at that point you have power being consumed v = e x i are you referring to ohms law and if so try getting the equation right. yeah yeah so i made a typo typo huh funny but the p is nowhere near the v on my keyboard typo my ass. big fucking deal yea it is when you jump in with nothing to offer but someone using the wrong term when you did the same damn thing. p = e x i well at least you know how to cut and paste but i really wonder if you understand the equation. and you still do not apply power you apply voltage which causes current flow which e x i causes power to be consumed no shit sherlock. power is often used as a slang term for voltage as the actual power consumed is refered to in units of measure. powered otoh does refer to circuit operation but not amount of actual power being consumed. the people in the original thread knew what i meant and i bet that you do as well but i questioned you and that pissed you off. get over it backyard if you spent as many words on explaining why your explanation was a cock-up instead of pointing out typos wed get somewhere i did explain it gary but once again and in your childish actions you deleted it and then pretend that it doesnt exist but.........you cant explain how you can have power without current flow can you of course i cant especially when you know that is not what was meant but that does prove my point. if you apply voltage then the socket has voltage but if the ground is broken it is still not powered. now that i read it this way it does make more sense thanks backyard. remainder of his rant snipped because its the only chance i have to not look like a complete asshole how true but is already way to late for that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : gary glaenzer

but.........you cant explain how you can have power without current flow can you of course i cant especially when you know that is not what was meant but that does prove my point. well then sayt what you mean braniac not what you think you think if you apply voltage then the socket has voltage but if the ground is broken it is still not powered. now that i read it this way it does make more sense thanks backyard. .

From : tbone

nice try budd but it was you who started it with not one but two responses to maxis childish post. you may try to hide behind the lame i was replying to max excuse and for the first one and maybe you were but when you came back the next day with your now that i have a pot of coffee in my post that was a direct response to what i said so now who was it that failed your bs test i simply replied to your comments as you would and have done and then you replied directly to me so now does that makes you a liar as well also fyi i never agreed to avoid your or anyone elses posts so how can i fail a test that i never agreed to in the first place if you wish to continue to act like a child with your victims mentality that is up to you but please stop with the lame accusations. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i did and i mentioned also that it would be a good idea if we avoided each others posts but he flunked the test. -- budd cochran the funny thing is that absolutes are few and far between. no theyre not. but you do have to look for them sometimes then accept that ummm... budd didnt you say a few days ago you werent going to reply to him anymore i will not be replying to you in the future just askin... *** free account sponsored by secureix.com *** *** encrypt your internet usage with a free vpn account from http//www.secureix.com *** .

From : tbone

this wasnt said to you and im sorry if you thought it was. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you act like a child. oh well. i dont get it -- but that is probably my immaturity grn rach .