O/T "black boxes"

From : tomr

Q: nosey wrote john a reichert wrote is there a option to lock both front wheels to pull when the 4 wheel drive is engaged i have a 4x4 diesel and have trouble with traction going up grades over dirt grass etc. in very wet conditions. this is a big problem when i pull a horse trailer. thanks for comments. john try http//www.arb.com.au/airlockerdesignengineering.htm a little pricey but the arbs do work well from what ive read. better plan on not making any turns if one is installed for the front wheels. sounds more like the center of gravity is shifting on the trailer on a incline and pulling up on the rear of the truck. could be the tires also..... jerry .

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From : yonzie

on mon 15 nov 2004 040009 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote which command are you assigned to out there nosey im in an aircraft squadron from texas. we are here temporarily to provide training for a carrier battle group. must be nice! i just ccg-4 and when we provided training for carrier battle groups we actually had to go ride the carriers. ;- .

From : budd cochran

my 1988 dodge ram 50 2.6 liter mitsu engine begins to run rough and cutout when i approach 55 mph runs great at idle and lower power settings. this same symptom occurs at any speed when i get to an incline hill etc. this morning she finally just quit altogether. i have replaced the spark plugs wires distributor cap and rotor. i also replaced the carburetor. no change. any ideas .

From : budd cochran

hi a quick report here i had just replaced the blower resistor a few months ago. the part at the dealer cost me $25. now just few months later the thing is broken again. its a bit expensive to buy a new resistor block every few months. so i repaired it myself this time. its really easy! pull the block out from wherever it is its easy on my 99 ram van. remove the metal cover by bending the four legs straight so you can pull the cover off. now you have access to the resistors. youll see 4 resistors 3 of them are just wire coiled up. the one thats blown is probably the fourth one thats not just a coil of wire. you can verify that with an ohm- meter. pull that one off carefully so that you dont break off the wire but pull it out as a whole. that way youll have the holes for your replacement to go in. now you build your own resistor from a few inch of wire that you coil up on a philips screwdriver shaft. i used the type of wire that i had to bind flowers. but any wire thats as thin or a tad bit thinner than the thinnest wire in the array will do. dont do it too thin or it will blow. no plastic insulation is better or else it will stink when it gets hot. target a resistance of about 3 ohm for that self made resistor and stick it into the assembly. put the metal lid back on its place make sure there are no shorts. put it all back and try it out. it worked for me. regards -gunther jpc wrote group... i received good help from the group on my blower motor resistor problem. the dealer part cost less than $12 so my saving by doing it myself was at least $83. thanks! john 2002 dakota-- quad-- 3.9 .

From : yonzie

good the prick is dead what language!!!! im not sure that ill ever recover 0 lets hope that his replacement isnt worse. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i have a hard time telling what level its at. any suggestions thanks in advance. drill a hole at the full mark about 1/16 or so. if it gets submerged in oil. the hole will hold the oil. .

From : mac davis

i cant get a clear reading on the oil dipstick of my 75 adventurer. no matter how carefully i draw it out i just get an uneven smear so i have a hard time telling what level its at. any suggestions thanks in advance. .

From : budd cochran

of course the navy is second but the army militiamen was first!!! so it really is true... third times the charm .

From : theguy

ya know . . . . my son said the same things when he was in the navy . . . . .vbg but he blamed most of it on the marines. -- yeah!! thats it.... just blame it on us jar heads! btw.... to my fellow leathernecks..... happy birthday!! semper fi!! mike budd carl saiyed wrote get a set of easy-outs. tap them into a hole you drilled into the bolt turn the rest of the bolt out with pliers on the easy out. be careful ive seen easy outs snap off also. at least the el-cheapo ones used in the navy would. of course a sailor can always find a way to break anything. jerry .

From : denny

on wed 10 nov 2004 221126 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote budd cochran wrote i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. but thats part of his little game. by continuing to post complete nonsense and idiotic comments he eventually gets to have the last post in a thread with someone and to him that is some kind of victory. i know it makes absolutely no sense to the sane but to him it is necessary for existence. youll recognize when he feels victorious when you see him posting dug yourself a hole figured youd run youre a liar and various other little i won i won i won dumb remarks. oh lets not leave out when he also wants to whine about typos and misspelled words as if he couldnt do that. the little fellow simply doesnt have any other existence except to be the little tommy bonini troll we all know. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. sure he would. probable right at home in that location. jerry lol. .

From : budd cochran

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From : tbone

on wed 10 nov 2004 213812 -0500 pink floyd comfortablynumb86@msn.com wrote -------- snip ------------ i run the truck and there is 18+ volts going back into the battery so i dont believe it is the alternator. -------- snip ------------- hi lee where are you measuring the battery voltage directly at the battery posts or somewhere else if there is actually 18 volts at the battery meaning measured with your meter connected to directly the battery posts you are about to ruin the battery if it hasnt already been ruined. you should have a maximum of 15 to 15.5v depending on the temperature higher temperature = lower voltage to avoid battery damage. 18 volts at the battery posts would indicate a voltage regulator problem or possibly bad wiring. if you are not measuring at the battery posts you may have a high resistance connection somewhere in either the hot or ground connections. this could give a high voltage reading at some point in the circuit with the battery still not getting a full charge. waynej .

From : denny

i have an 87 dodge raider with some sort of electrical prob. as it runs the volt meter in the truck slowly goes down and everything fails - radio lights dim etc. i run the truck and there is 18+ volts going back into the battery so i dont believe it is the alternator. even with lights and blower running there is still 15 volts going into the battery. im sure there is no quick way to find out what is putting such a load on the battery. i did replace the battery so i do not want to ruin it. could it still be the alternator any ideas would be appreciated. thanks lee .

From : denny

its better than killfiling as his posts can and will still be monitored. this group got along great for years without him and it still can. -- budd how about we put him in coventry as a group those who really wish to see an end to tom bs rants and misinformation we simply treat him as if he does not exist. if he posts misinformation we must correct it assuredly but to the original poster not tom b. that seems like a good plan just dont rise to the bait that is sure to come.... denny .

From : budd cochran

but denny we talk to you dont we kinda . . . sorta . . . in a way . . . bg yeh.... friggen rabbit jokes.......... vbg denny .

From : jerry

time for a rebuild or a new one. which is why i use beam type torque wrenches. if i break one then i should have gotten a bigger torque wrench. -- budd what was it set at just curious. -- budd it was set at 35 which is what the manual says. .

From : budd cochran

how about we put him in coventry as a group those who really wish to see an end to tom bs rants and misinformation we simply treat him as if he does not exist. if he posts misinformation we must correct it assuredly but to the original poster not tom b. i think it would be the best way to lance the boil. -- budd budd cochran wrote i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. but thats part of his little game. by continuing to post complete nonsense and idiotic comments he eventually gets to have the last post in a thread with someone and to him that is some kind of victory. i know it makes absolutely no sense to the sane but to him it is necessary for existence. youll recognize when he feels victorious when you see him posting dug yourself a hole figured youd run youre a liar and various other little i won i won i won dumb remarks. oh lets not leave out when he also wants to whine about typos and misspelled words as if he couldnt do that. the little fellow simply doesnt have any other existence except to be the little tommy bonini troll we all know. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. sure he would. probable right at home in that location. jerry jerry and others it would be real easy though not as entertaining to put a stop to most of this bs by just not replying to the troll. soon he would have to resort to arguing with himself. hmmmm... just a thought if nobody would play with him would he play with himself anyways just a thought... denny .

From : budd cochran

ebay hp wrote they are the power trailer towing mirror package. by the way what does one do with a set of brand new 2004 power heated dodge ram mirrors after trading up to the trailer towing mirrors. i cant seem to find a buyer for them and want to recoup some of the money i spent for the trailer towing mirrors @trndny03 i am looking for the corner blind spot mirrors i have seen on newer model dodge pickup trucks. i called my local dealer and the parts department had no clue what i was talking about so i am assuming they are aftermarket. any help tia. jay on my 2004 they are part of the power trailer mirror package. al .

From : theguy

sticker simply dont have the power cord needed. i called cummins they confirmed this and said i can pick up the cord for $10. i called dodge they want $45 for the cord. do you know anything about this yep. dodge dealers are always more expensive than cummins dealers. find a local cummins dealer and get it from them. .

From : miles

i do. for whatever reason it didnt click when it should have. i guess i need a new one! shoulda used a beam!! gbmfg sorry but i had to. roy .

From : tbone

tbone wrote lots of bs snipped tom is installing a black box requirement driven by auto makers insurance corporations or consumer groups that should tell you whether it benifits consumers or not. .

From : theguy

on wed 10 nov 2004 231329 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote budd cochran wrote i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. but thats part of his little game. by continuing to post complete nonsense and idiotic comments he eventually gets to have the last post in a thread with someone and to him that is some kind of victory. i know it makes absolutely no sense to the sane but to him it is necessary for existence. youll recognize when he feels victorious when you see him posting dug yourself a hole figured youd run youre a liar and various other little i won i won i won dumb remarks. oh lets not leave out when he also wants to whine about typos and misspelled words as if he couldnt do that. the little fellow simply doesnt have any other existence except to be the little tommy bonini troll we all know. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. sure he would. probable right at home in that location. jerry jerry and others it would be real easy though not as entertaining to put a stop to most of this bs by just not replying to the troll. soon he would have to resort to arguing with himself. hmmmm... just a thought if nobody would play with him would he play with himself anyways just a thought... denny you are right on denny and i did that for a bit. i just posted back to him today and was not trying to respond to his insane crap i was just trying to add a little info to the discussion. big mistake and im sorry i did. im pretty much done with him again. i may actually just killfile him. while he would be the first that may be the best route to go. .

From : jerry

budd cochran wrote i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. but thats part of his little game. by continuing to post complete nonsense and idiotic comments he eventually gets to have the last post in a thread with someone and to him that is some kind of victory. i know it makes absolutely no sense to the sane but to him it is necessary for existence. youll recognize when he feels victorious when you see him posting dug yourself a hole figured youd run youre a liar and various other little i won i won i won dumb remarks. oh lets not leave out when he also wants to whine about typos and misspelled words as if he couldnt do that. the little fellow simply doesnt have any other existence except to be the little tommy bonini troll we all know. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. sure he would. probable right at home in that location. jerry jerry and others it would be real easy though not as entertaining to put a stop to most of this bs by just not replying to the troll. soon he would have to resort to arguing with himself. hmmmm... just a thought if nobody would play with him would he play with himself anyways just a thought... denny .

From : mac davis

budd cochran wrote i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. but thats part of his little game. by continuing to post complete nonsense and idiotic comments he eventually gets to have the last post in a thread with someone and to him that is some kind of victory. i know it makes absolutely no sense to the sane but to him it is necessary for existence. youll recognize when he feels victorious when you see him posting dug yourself a hole figured youd run youre a liar and various other little i won i won i won dumb remarks. oh lets not leave out when he also wants to whine about typos and misspelled words as if he couldnt do that. the little fellow simply doesnt have any other existence except to be the little tommy bonini troll we all know. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. sure he would. probable right at home in that location. jerry .

From : jerry

on wed 10 nov 2004 061408 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote sr5kd.52848$hr3.2089695@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find i wonder if you were buying a tv or someother big item if the store would give you some sort of a price break if you paid cash. like there are still some stores where you can dicker on prices. forget about costco walmart kmart possibly. afaik the credit card companies charge from 2% to 5% of the purchase price to the store. i dont see why they wouldnt give that back to you for cash since it costs them nothing to do it unless they just dont want to worry about holding and depositing that much cash. the place that i used to have my computers built had big signs that said prices are for cash only.. if you wanted to use a card theyd show you how much that card company charged them and ask if you wanted to add that to your price.. .

From : budd cochran

could some one tell me please why the bottom hose on my rad on 98 qc 1500 is coldthe top hose is hot after driving for 10-15 minutes but the bottom is cold.the truck is not overheating and there is hot air coming from the heater vents when i turn on the heater. .

From : theguy

what was it set at just curious. -- budd it was set at 35 which is what the manual says. .

From : theguy

hey its gotta be a real genuine fact . . . i read it in readers indiges . .. .er digest. bg -- budd on wed 10 nov 2004 182330 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote look tom i have the same credit card company sending me the same little checks trying to sell me a loan yep a loan against your card. if you arent bright enough to destroy them then so be it. all you need is a non-flammable container and a safe place to burn them. btw its called junk mail. you might try shredding them and then putting them in the return envelope and mailing them in. ive heard of this being done with some success. lol. .

From : tbone

i do. for whatever reason it didnt click when it should have. i guess i need a new one! .

From : yonzie

if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones govt has no busines mandating or paying for insurance. they wouldnt pay anyway it is taxpayer money. .

From : budd cochran

on wed 10 nov 2004 172132 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 10 nov 2004 162055 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote insurance companies are not bound to side with a police report. really care to back that up. he doesnt need to it is a fact. the insurance companies absolutely are not bound by police reports or findings. they have the authority to place or find fault on their own without regard to the police reports. tom that is fact. you need to apologize. you need to grow up a little. apologize for what i didnt call him a liar i asked him to back that up. a simple web link would do that. btw i didnt see one from you either. the fact is that if they deny based on their own investigation and it differes from what the police report says who do you think is going to win in court unless they have some rock solid proof. it goes to civil court tom. in civil court the insurance company would win because fault is determined by their rules not by criminal laws. tom talk about the need to grow up. you are wrong. this is an area that i deal with every day. just move on you are very wrong. not because you are tom but because what you are saying is wrong. besides many accidents have no citations issued. maybe in your state and im not sure about nc but in nj you had better have one unless you are either claiming on your collision or the total damage is less than iirc $500 im not sure that you understood what he said tom as your answer doesnt respond to what he said but again he is correct. yes he is i misread what he said and confuse a police report with a citation. my error but a police report is required. no no no. i admit there are minor differences from state to state but pretty generally a report is required in all states when there is injury or damage over a certain amount. that amount varies in most states. the state does not require a report in any state i am aware of by the police however unless it is a fatal accident. the report can be from the people involved in the accident the accident just has to be reported on a sate form. all states have police and citizen accident reporting forms. if the police do a report then the citizens also have to but if the citizens report it on the citizen forms there does not have to be a police report. it can get confusing. most police officers are even confused with the system. again tom this my area and i am sure about this. not that it matters because the whole issue doesnt really mean anything. i was just trying to give you some factual data. if you are not interested that is ok with me. not that i expect facts to get in the way of your opinions though tom. i just thought that i would make the courteous effort to pass along a little bit of accurate information to you. i realize that facts are just things that get in the way of your alice in wonderland world but i thought id try anyway. i would question why you have decided to act like such an asshole toward me lately but that my indicate that i actually cared. so as you said... its just kharma tom but then that has been discussed by a ton of people on this ng. anyway in this instance i wasnt trying to act like an asshole toward you. again i was just trying to add some factual info about your discussion in an area that i happen to be very familiar with. as i said before if you are not interested in accurate information that is ok and ill butt back out of the conversation. i just thought that accuracy might be interesting for a change. sorry. however before you enjoy deflecting the asshole question away from yourself i have to ask you the same question. why do you act like such an incredible and childish asshole on this ng with about 75% of your posts why do you have to argue about everything that comes up here why cant you accept the fact that an awful olot of the time im being nice here i could have said all of the time tom you dont know what the hell you are talking about but continue to argue as if you were an expert is it because you just enjoy a good fight or as max has said are you that stupid tom again not trying to be an asshole that is an honest question that i would like to hear an honest answer to. that is if you feel like it you know hey im just saying tom. enjoy! .

From : theguy

on wed 10 nov 2004 162055 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote insurance companies are not bound to side with a police report. really care to back that up. he doesnt need to it is a fact. the insurance companies absolutely are not bound by police reports or findings. they have the authority to place or find fault on their own without regard to the police reports. tom that is fact. you need to apologize. you need to grow up a little. apologize for what i didnt call him a liar i asked him to back that up. a simple web link would do that. btw i didnt see one from you either. the fact is that if they deny based on their own investigation and it differes from what the police report says who do you think is going to win in court unless they have some rock solid proof. besides many accidents have no citations issued. maybe in your state and im not sure about nc but in nj you had better have one unless you are either claiming on your collision or the total damage is less than iirc $500 im not sure that you understood what he said tom as your answer doesnt respond to what he said but again he is correct. yes he is i misread what he said and confuse a police report with a citation. my error but a police report is required. not that i expect facts to get in the way of your opinions though tom. i just thought that i would make the courteous effort to pass along a little bit of accurate information to you. i realize that facts are just things that get in the way of your alice in wonderland world but i thought id try anyway. i would question why you have decided to act like such an asshole toward me lately but that my indicate that i actually cared. so as you said... enjoy! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

then killfile me budd and get it over with. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i have currently only one topic kill-filed and no posters . . .yet. look at your readers help file and see if you can set up a filter. imho i can only think of one troll that should be k.f.d. -- budd since this type of thread began my killfile has expanded a hell of a lot. i have had to add so many that im now concerned that maybe one of the idiots might have something to say about dodge trucks that i just might want to hear. i see most of their posts second hand when others reply to them so i guess that im ok. just remember - the sky is falling dddd lol i have to agree friend. time to killfile some more idiots . . . such a shame . . they might have a question i would have the answer to. -- budd if it wasnt important enough for you to take time to vote then its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. whatever puppet. budd im continually un-impressed with people like this user@domain.invalid coward who take the time to espouse very pointed often un-informed certainly un-educated opinions... yet dont have the nuts to step out from the veil of anonymity and put their name to their opinions. or as gary g used to put it... piss off troll .

From : tbone

i am just waiting for the day when someone tapes one of those things back together and uses it and they want to hold me responsible for it. who in there right mind would use one of those checks to pay a bill and then pay that outrageous amount of interest on it. got a fireplace or charcoal grill dummy burn them . . .sometimes things are better burned than shredded. my fire place is a ventless gas unit in this house and no i dont have a charcoal grill. the point is that they shouldnt send that crap with my requesting it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

the cummins places in dallas are in grand prairie off 360 and in mesquite near i-20. both are nowhere near downtown. check your white pages for cummins southern plains. yes ... but there is also a location off of irving avenue and mockingbird this is the closet location to me which is about 10 minutes from downtown. i live mckinney and work in coppell. cummins specifies not using synthetic oil until after the engine is broken in about 20k miles or so. i read on the cummins and the valvoline website that using premium blue would be after the first oil change. i just changed it for the first time meaning according to cummins that my next change would be the best time to start using synthetic. my next change will be at 14000. craig c. .

From : tbone

is there a option to lock both front wheels to pull when the 4 wheel drive is engaged i have a 4x4 diesel and have trouble with traction going up grades over dirt grass etc. in very wet conditions. this is a big problem when i pull a horse trailer. thanks for comments. john tires tires tires a tire with better traction will help you a lot more than adding a front locker in the situations you describe a fatter more aggressive all terrain tire will do the trick a front locker will help only with better tires wet grass is slippery a good tire will overcome that cuz even if you have a locker with poor traction it aint gonna do you much good think of it this way you can 1000 hp to all 4 wheels on ice but with no traction you are going nowhere! but put on some studs and you are going to move for sure! lockers or not! the 2 combined will give you the best results but i would forgo the locker after you try some tires shepherds we shall be for thee my lord for thee power hath decended forth from thy hand so our feet may swiftly carry out thy command we shall flow a river forth to thee and teeming with souls shall it ever be in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti .

From : tbone

on wed 10 nov 2004 162055 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote tbone wrote so what it still cannot be randomly accessed and appears to serve no purpose other than to add information to an active investigation such as an accident. do you have something to hide oh please not the old liberal line of have something to hide. since im not doing anything wrong why do they need to record my activities who is the they recording your activities. do you think that your trucks pcm doesnt already record mome of the things that you do with it unless the car is involved in some accident and probably a serious one the data will never be accessed. lets see here. maybe make everyone wear tracking bracelets that record where you go. then if youre a suspect to a crime they can see if you were at the scene of the crime. dont like that do you have something to hide lol not hardly the same thing. the bb is not a tracking device like your bracelet it is a simple data recorder that stays with the car regardless of who is driving it. it doesnt know or care about you only what was happening to the car within its time window. now why would recording that data bother you do you have something to hide. that is not true since the insurance companies will never see just the black box info. that info would come to them as part of the police investigation where it would be used to confirm or disprove the stories told by those involved in the acciident. insurance companies are not bound to side with a police report. really care to back that up. he doesnt need to it is a fact. the insurance companies absolutely are not bound by police reports or findings. they have the authority to place or find fault on their own without regard to the police reports. tom that is fact. you need to apologize. besides many accidents have no citations issued. maybe in your state and im not sure about nc but in nj you had better have one unless you are either claiming on your collision or the total damage is less than iirc $500 im not sure that you understood what he said tom as your answer doesnt respond to what he said but again he is correct. the huge and i mean huge majority of accidents even those investigated by the police do not have citations issued. there have been many many studies done on this you can find them if you have any interest. no states require that citations be issued at accident scenes. some police agencies have polices that mandate that but they are few and far between. in all states the issuance of citations at accidents scenes is permissive not mandatory. there have been several court cases at the supreme court levels state and federal that address this issue. you can find them if you have any interest. not that i expect facts to get in the way of your opinions though tom. i just thought that i would make the courteous effort to pass along a little bit of accurate information to you. i realize that facts are just things that get in the way of your alice in wonderland world but i thought id try anyway. enjoy! insurance companies do their own investigations. a police report if any exists is used as part of their investigation. as would any related data from the bb in relation to it. the thing is though if it only records 5 minutes or even 5 hours unless the data was taken at the time of the accident it would be gone by the time the insurance investigator came along a week later. if the car was so badly damaged that it was undrivable i would bet that there would be a police report involved with it and the data would have been collected then. the info gained from a black box can easily be used by the insurance company to deny a claim. really how do you know this do you even know what data will be stored and / or for what time period nobody else in here seems to. you make it sound so easy for the insurance companies to deny claims but i have yet to actually ever see it happen short of outrageous law suits. what i think you are afraid of is that it would limit your ability to lie about what you were doing. it serves me as a car owner no purpose. i thought you were the type that always wanted to protect the consumer rather than the big corporate world. i see a reversal here tom. not at all i am no big insurance company fan but i see why they do some of the things that they do. i simply see no valid way that they could use data stored in the bb to avoid paying any valid claim and you arguments are just paranoia. sure it does it provides an impartial witness to an accident that will help the police determine the actual cause and who is at fault which translates into the correct persons driving record and insurance rates being affected. it can also easily mislead police or insurance companies. just because i was speeding does not make an accident my fault. it ma

From : tbone

tbone wrote so what it still cannot be randomly accessed and appears to serve no purpose other than to add information to an active investigation such as an accident. do you have something to hide oh please not the old liberal line of have something to hide. since im not doing anything wrong why do they need to record my activities who is the they recording your activities. do you think that your trucks pcm doesnt already record mome of the things that you do with it unless the car is involved in some accident and probably a serious one the data will never be accessed. lets see here. maybe make everyone wear tracking bracelets that record where you go. then if youre a suspect to a crime they can see if you were at the scene of the crime. dont like that do you have something to hide lol not hardly the same thing. the bb is not a tracking device like your bracelet it is a simple data recorder that stays with the car regardless of who is driving it. it doesnt know or care about you only what was happening to the car within its time window. now why would recording that data bother you do you have something to hide. that is not true since the insurance companies will never see just the black box info. that info would come to them as part of the police investigation where it would be used to confirm or disprove the stories told by those involved in the acciident. insurance companies are not bound to side with a police report. really care to back that up. besides many accidents have no citations issued. maybe in your state and im not sure about nc but in nj you had better have one unless you are either claiming on your collision or the total damage is less than iirc $500 insurance companies do their own investigations. a police report if any exists is used as part of their investigation. as would any related data from the bb in relation to it. the thing is though if it only records 5 minutes or even 5 hours unless the data was taken at the time of the accident it would be gone by the time the insurance investigator came along a week later. if the car was so badly damaged that it was undrivable i would bet that there would be a police report involved with it and the data would have been collected then. the info gained from a black box can easily be used by the insurance company to deny a claim. really how do you know this do you even know what data will be stored and / or for what time period nobody else in here seems to. you make it sound so easy for the insurance companies to deny claims but i have yet to actually ever see it happen short of outrageous law suits. what i think you are afraid of is that it would limit your ability to lie about what you were doing. it serves me as a car owner no purpose. i thought you were the type that always wanted to protect the consumer rather than the big corporate world. i see a reversal here tom. not at all i am no big insurance company fan but i see why they do some of the things that they do. i simply see no valid way that they could use data stored in the bb to avoid paying any valid claim and you arguments are just paranoia. sure it does it provides an impartial witness to an accident that will help the police determine the actual cause and who is at fault which translates into the correct persons driving record and insurance rates being affected. it can also easily mislead police or insurance companies. just because i was speeding does not make an accident my fault. it may or may not have even contributed. it always does both. if you are speeding it gives less time for either of you to react to the given situation which increases your fault and increases the level of damage. take some responsibility for what you do. the info can be used as an excuse to deny a claim regardless of actual fault. more like it forces you to take responsibility for your actions. the only one such a device helps is the insurance companies. not the consumer. not true. reducing claims and payouts to bad drivers makes the cost less for the rest of us. you being a liberal and all should side for consumer protection and not protecting insurance corporations interests. i am for consumer protection and dont like paying higher rates due to bad drivers and scumbags suing for injuries thatr they never could have received. these boxes have the potential ability to weed some of this out and that saves us all money. how does this serve the corporate world and if it did why would the champion of the corporate world you be against it it allows the industry a way to deny a claim. so what if the claim is invalid it should be denied. an accident that was not my fault at all could be ruled partly or entirely my fault based on misleading information from a black box. once again you make comments that you have no way of ba

From : budd cochran

for my 2001 dodge and my new 2004 durango i pay about $110/month for each of them for full coverage. thats $2400/yr for insurance. everyone i talk to seems to pay far less and often for more expensive vehicles. ive called too many companies to count and cant find a cheaper rate. clean driving record for over 20 years. somethings not right then. point out your driving record if you can. youre apparently old enough to warrant a discount for that as well. i have heard a few people in groups report that large claims from serious accidents being handled poorly with progressive. do you know anyone who has had to make a large claim not personally no and ive had no claims at all of any kind since 80 and that was a rear-ender at a stop light and the other guys insurance paid right up. its amazing how much tougher the back end of a 64 valiant is than an 81 caddys front end . . . . budd cochran wrote at 57 with either the d-150 or the lebaron i pay about $38 / mo. for pd pl. with progressive. they also give a good rate for my old cushman of about $50 / year. gieco would have saved us $3 . . . . a year. i suggest calling progressive. .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote lol and people still kill people too. should we follow your idiotic reasoning and eliminate all laws that are not 100% followed. i guess that by your standard we should eliminate the laws on drug use and trafficking rape murder hell all of them. now that was the stupidest thing youve ever said. well on 2nd thought theres been worse. but theres so many its hard to rank them all. whats the matter miles did the stupidity of your comment come to light and now you are trying to push it back onto me it only seems that way to you because it costs you money. why is it that its ok for you to make as much money as possible with no limits but when someone else does it and some of it comes out of your pocket its totally wrong dang which one of your statements is the stupidest why is it youre two-faced on this issue of legislature that allows corporate robbing of the consumer how is it robbing of the consumer and how is it any different than what you do now to answer you stupid statement. if i can make a product that people want and i make money off of it then great. i make a living people get what they want. supply and demand at work. nice spin but no dice. you claim that it is a product that people want but it sounds more like one that they need. you then charge a high rate because according to you there are not many companies doing what you do and you want to pay yourself well. the problem is that the companies you work for will simply pass those costs down the line where eventually im going to pay a higher cost for the finished product so tell me again where is the difference. in the case of legislature that were discussing it costs me money without benifit to me. whats worse is that i have no choice but to pay it because of the law. you do both have a choice and a benefit from it. you can choose not to drive and then would not have to pay to have that insurance. if you do then you need to take the responsibility to protect both yurself and others out on the public roads. you could also take your chances and not buy the insurance like the ones you are complaining about. as for benefit although no law is followed 100% of the time there would be many more drivers on the road without insurance than there are now and that puts you at a significantly higher risk since you would have to either pay big bucks for protection against uninsured motorists or put your family and finances at risk if one of these idiots hits you and causes serious injury. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max340

or push buttons on a computer . . . . . -- budd tbone wrote possibly. afaik the credit card companies charge from 2% to 5% of the purchase price to the store. i dont see why they wouldnt give that back to you for cash since it costs them nothing to do it unless they just dont want to worry about holding and depositing that much cash. thats exactly why some do not offer cash discounts. it costs them money to handle money! takes time to count it sort it deposit it etc. .

From : budd cochran

i am just waiting for the day when someone tapes one of those things back together and uses it and they want to hold me responsible for it. who in there right mind would use one of those checks to pay a bill and then pay that outrageous amount of interest on it. got a fireplace or charcoal grill dummy burn them . . .sometimes things are better burned than shredded. budd .

From : miles

ive seen nothing for any other system except onstar that says any info is being transmitted. i agree with your assessment. however it is wise to know the technology and beware of its possibilities. further it is even more wise to guard against its use in ways which infringe on the rights of the individual. my point is the technology is available and some of it is installed that would allow continuous monitoring of any or all individuals in vehicles in the united states. its a simple case of keeping a full knowledge base of what the enemy is doing. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : tbone

again you make childish idiotic assumptions . . .youre simply not worth the effort to hate. i dislike you and your idiotic argumentative childish trolling and you compound it when you demand proof even though you refuse to give any yourself or admit you are wrong. you wouldnt make a good boil on the butt of humanity. -- budd sorry budd but much like you everything he said about me was complete bs that he cant back up. he can stomp his feet all that he wants and i suppose that people like you who hate me might buy into it but the truth is still the truth and he is still full of shit. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving not necessarily. just tired of your idiotic antics. -- budd budd cochran wrote do you ever feel youre trying to record an important message on a cassette recorder with a bad tape and this is the kind of playback you get use to be able to put up with it 34 maybe 5 days before becoming bored and tired. then down to 48 hours and now 24 or less hours. im finally coming around to agree with everyone else it is wasted time. iow you dug yourself in too deep and cant back up any of your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

sr5kd.52848$hr3.2089695@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find funny is if you are even a penny short on the zero balance they want you to pay the interest on the full amount. and then to top it all off if you are even a day late they try to charge you a $35 dollar fee plus the interest on the full amount what a rip-off. i can see this fee if you actually miss a payment and possibly the interest if you are late or miss a payment but to do both for a day late is just a rip-off and people wonder why i have the attitude toward big business that i do. one time we opened an account for my daughter at the bank. couple months later they send here a credit card application form. so we did the next best thing filled it out and mailed it. never heard from them again. they must of felt stupid when they read her date of birth my daughter was only 6 years old at the time. the scary thing is if they send that crap to the wrong address and somebody accepts the card. i get applications with 3 different middle initials to my name. once it gets into the system they keep sending them without checking for accuracy or age. my favorite are those damn checks they keep sending with the bill. i am just waiting for the day when someone tapes one of those things back together and uses it and they want to hold me responsible for it. who in there right mind would use one of those checks to pay a bill and then pay that outrageous amount of interest on it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote possibly. afaik the credit card companies charge from 2% to 5% of the purchase price to the store. i dont see why they wouldnt give that back to you for cash since it costs them nothing to do it unless they just dont want to worry about holding and depositing that much cash. thats exactly why some do not offer cash discounts. it costs them money to handle money! takes time to count it sort it deposit it etc. .

From : tbone

i have currently only one topic kill-filed and no posters . . .yet. look at your readers help file and see if you can set up a filter. imho i can only think of one troll that should be k.f.d. -- budd since this type of thread began my killfile has expanded a hell of a lot. i have had to add so many that im now concerned that maybe one of the idiots might have something to say about dodge trucks that i just might want to hear. i see most of their posts second hand when others reply to them so i guess that im ok. just remember - the sky is falling dddd lol i have to agree friend. time to killfile some more idiots . . . such a shame . . they might have a question i would have the answer to. -- budd if it wasnt important enough for you to take time to vote then its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. whatever puppet. budd im continually un-impressed wit

From : budd cochran

user@domain.invalid coward who take the time to espouse very pointed often un-informed certainly un-educated opinions... yet dont have the nuts to step out from the veil of anonymity and put their name to their opinions. or as gary g used to put it... piss off troll . 222 293170 1wpkd.3876$kv4.791@01.roc.ny would you rather your tax dollars go for programs that benefit only special interest groups or worthless research projects thats where im suggesting the money be taken from not from increasing taxes. -- budd if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones govt has no busines mandating or paying for insurance. they wouldnt pay anyway it is taxpayer money. .

From : budd cochran

sorry budd but much like you everything he said about me was complete bs that he cant back up. he can stomp his feet all that he wants and i suppose that people like you who hate me might buy into it but the truth is still the truth and he is still full of shit. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving not necessarily. just tired of your idiotic antics. -- budd budd cochran wrote do you ever feel youre trying to record an important message on a cassette recorder with a bad tape and this is the kind of playback you get use to be able to put up with it 34 maybe 5 days before becoming bored and tired. then down to 48 hours and now 24 or less hours. im finally coming around to agree with everyone else it is wasted time. iow you dug yourself in too deep and cant back up any of your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

why not just use wasted tax dollars for the costs . . . oh forgot that would require them to ignore special interest groups wouldnt it -- budd no it doesnt. thats what lawmakers want you to believe. the law does nothing except put money into big insurance corporations pockets. it is exactly the type of legislature you whine about republicans like crazy. yet in this case you support it because of a misbelief in its effect. people still drive without insurance despite the law. they dont buy it because they dont have the money. they still drive anyways. it is a stupid worthless law. the mandatory law sets minimums that didnt exist before. so now those that do carry insurance see higher rates. i think calif. had the right idea several years ago when they proposed a tax at the fuel pump to pay for basic mandatory insurance. that way the more you drive the more you pay and everyone would have some amount of insurance. tr .

From : budd cochran

not necessarily. just tired of your idiotic antics. -- budd budd cochran wrote do you ever feel youre trying to record an important message on a cassette recorder with a bad tape and this is the kind of playback you get use to be able to put up with it 34 maybe 5 days before becoming bored and tired. then down to 48 hours and now 24 or less hours. im finally coming around to agree with everyone else it is wasted time. iow you dug yourself in too deep and cant back up any of your bs. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

and thats why i decided to just not even bother trying to like him. -- budd budd cochran wrote do you ever feel youre trying to record an important message on a cassette recorder with a bad tape and this is the kind of playback you get use to be able to put up with it 34 maybe 5 days before becoming bored and tired. then down to 48 hours and now 24 or less hours. im finally coming around to agree with everyone else it is wasted time. jerry .

From : budd cochran

at 57 with either the d-150 or the lebaron i pay about $38 / mo. for pd pl. with progressive. they also give a good rate for my old cushman of about $50 / year. gieco would have saved us $3 . . . . a year. i suggest calling progressive. -- budd theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 184427 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 141122 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones but you cant go by your family and personal experience budd... hopefully you and the typical illegal alien driving without insurance are 2 different ends of the spectrum.. that depends on wether or not hes hauling drugs and running from the cops wouldnt it if you get hit by someone without insurance and they have no assets to fix your car you might think differently about requiring insurance... dont misunderstand me please. im all for insurance but i dont think the state government should require insurance which has resulted in inflated premiums and an elimination of responsibility for ones actions. if you cant pay and no insurance / bond figure on spending some time in a court room totalling your assets to pay for the damages or in jail. and my premiums should not reflect the poor driving of some whacked out crack head or drunk but only my driving record; 5 accidents with only one my fault two speeding tickets one left-of-center ticket one warning for driving too fast for conditions in nearly 39 years of driving. any better and they should pay me to use their insurance. man i agree with that. i have no accidents or citations on my record nor does my wife. thats in the last five years which is as far as insurance companies can go here. so i renewed my policy and put my 17 year old son on the policy. my agent tells me that my premiums will go down on mine and my wives part based on our age and driving record my sons part went up---way up.......having a 17 year old male driver in the family is not a cheap thing. when i got my bill from allstate everything went up so i called to complain that it was more than the price my allstate agent gave me. get this.......allstate put me in a higher rate bracket when the home office accountants got the renewal. it wasnt due to my driving they couldnt get me there so they raised my credit rating. not sure what that has to do with insurance and i have always had the highest credit rating. i demanded an explaination which they only provided after i contacted the state insurance commisioner and he made them give me one. here it is i have very few consumer loans just my home but can qualify for a lot more loans on income. allstate said that their statistics showed that people who dont use their available credit are a higher risk for accidents! reason 2 in the last year my wife closed her credit card account and opened a different one that gives her air miles. we only use the card to buy things that we have the cash to pay off in that billing cycle we never carry a balance but she wants the airline mileage. allstate said that their statisitics show that people that have opened a new consumer credit account in the last 12 months are more likely to be involved in an accident. now this story is absolutely true. go figure. they penalized me for using my credit and for not using my credit at the same time. i filed a complaint with the state and got a phone call from the investigator. he was very sorry he said it was the stupidist thing hed seen in a while but that insurance companies can do virtaully anything as long as they can find statistical data to support it that relates to accidents. dont give them black boxes folks who knows what they will do with that data. i wonder what kind rates and discounts the workers at allstate get on their vehicles maybe time to change insurance companies. probably they all are same. .

From : tomr

since this type of thread began my killfile has expanded a hell of a lot. i have had to add so many that im now concerned that maybe one of the idiots might have something to say about dodge trucks that i just might want to hear. i see most of their posts second hand when others reply to them so i guess that im ok. just remember - the sky is falling dddd lol i have to agree friend. time to killfile some more idiots . . . such a shame . . they might have a question i would have the answer to. -- budd if it wasnt important enough for you to take time to vote then its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. whatever puppet. budd im continually un-impressed with people like this user@domain.invalid coward who take the time to espouse very pointed often un-informed certainly un-educated opinions... yet dont have the nuts to step out from the veil of anonymity and put their name to their opinions. or as gary g used to put it... piss off troll .

From : r m

no it doesnt. thats what lawmakers want you to believe. the law does nothing except put money into big insurance corporations pockets. it is exactly the type of legislature you whine about republicans like crazy. yet in this case you support it because of a misbelief in its effect. people still drive without insurance despite the law. they dont buy it because they dont have the money. they still drive anyways. it is a stupid worthless law. the mandatory law sets minimums that didnt exist before. so now those that do carry insurance see higher rates. i think calif. had the right idea several years ago when they proposed a tax at the fuel pump to pay for basic mandatory insurance. that way the more you drive the more you pay and everyone would have some amount of insurance. tr .

From : bob

budd cochran wrote what kind of work do you do mostly a computer programmer for industrial/aerospace applications. but my industry is rather specialized. i work with force transducers which are used to measure stress force weight etc. only a couple dozen companies produce such devices in the usa. i might look into some metrology labs that use them. i often train clients on my software and these guys work for places like nasa boeing etc. they make 2 to 3 times what i do and sometimes have no clue! .

From : tbone

theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 184427 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 141122 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones but you cant go by your family and personal experience budd... hopefully you and the typical illegal alien driving without insurance are 2 different ends of the spectrum.. that depends on wether or not hes hauling drugs and running from the cops wouldnt it if you get hit by someone without insurance and they have no assets to fix your car you might think differently about requiring insurance... dont misunderstand me please. im all for insurance but i dont think the state government should require insurance which has resulted in inflated premiums and an elimination of responsibility for ones actions. if you cant pay and no insurance / bond figure on spending some time in a court room totalling your assets to pay for the damages or in jail. and my premiums should not reflect the poor driving of some whacked out crack head or drunk but only my driving record; 5 accidents with only one my fault two speeding tickets one left-of-center ticket one warning for driving too fast for conditions in nearly 39 years of driving. any better and they should pay me to use their insurance. man i agree with that. i have no accidents or citations on my record nor does my wife. thats in the last five years which is as far as insurance companies can go here. so i renewed my policy and put my 17 year old son on the policy. my agent tells me that my premiums will go down on mine and my wives part based on our age and driving record my sons part went up---way up.......having a 17 year old male driver in the family is not a cheap thing. when i got my bill from allstate everything went up so i called to complain that it was more than the price my allstate agent gave me. get this.......allstate put me in a higher rate bracket when the home office accountants got the renewal. it wasnt due to my driving they couldnt get me there so they raised my credit rating. not sure what that has to do with insurance and i have always had the highest credit rating. i demanded an explaination which they only provided after i contacted the state insurance commisioner and he made them give me one. here it is i have very few consumer loans just my home but can qualify for a lot more loans on income. allstate said that their statistics showed that people who dont use their available credit are a higher risk for accidents! reason 2 in the last year my wife closed her credit card account and opened a different one that gives her air miles. we only use the card to buy things that we have the cash to pay off in that billing cycle we never carry a balance but she wants the airline mileage. allstate said that their statisitics show that people that have opened a new consumer credit account in the last 12 months are more likely to be involved in an accident. now this story is absolutely true. go figure. they penalized me for using my credit and for not using my credit at the same time. i filed a complaint with the state and got a phone call from the investigator. he was very sorry he said it was the stupidist thing hed seen in a while but that insurance companies can do virtaully anything as long as they can find statistical data to support it that relates to accidents. dont give them black boxes folks who knows what they will do with that data. i wonder what kind rates and discounts the workers at allstate get on their vehicles maybe time to change insurance companies. probably they all are same. .

From : yonzie

sr5kd.52848$hr3.2089695@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find i wonder if you were buying a tv or someother big item if the store would give you some sort of a price break if you paid cash. like there are still some stores where you can dicker on prices. forget about costco walmart kmart funny is if you are even a penny short on the zero balance they want you to pay the interest on the full amount. and then to top it all off if you are even a day late they try to charge you a $35

From : yonzie

on the full amount what a rip-off. i can see this fee if you actually miss a payment and possibly the interest if you are late or miss a payment but to do both for a day late is just a rip-off and people wonder why i have the attitude toward big business that i do. . 222 293147 bdb70993.2408f%yonzie@mac.com with onstar on our envoy using my visa walking through the mall probably even having a shit in a public washroom some one is always watching over you and it aint god dale mac davis mac.davis@comcast.net wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 010653 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale but then they can track you and your buying habits through your credit card purchases.. is that the sound of black helicopters that i hear .

From : yonzie

is there any thing you can adjust on a 98 q/c auto to get the reverse lights to work without holding the shifter lever in reverse up high towards park to get them on.if you hold it in certain spot they work fine just a pain. sounds to me like it could be a problem in the prndl switch. something may be loose in the shifter or the connection for the reverse lamps to come on might not be in the proper position to mate right with the reverse position. might want to have it checked or take it apart yourself .

From : tbone

max340 max340@aol.compost wrote i would like to look into a white box theyre all pink inside..... max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan reminds me of a joke two ladies one jewish and the other one african american were sitting together on a plane. they where chit chatting away like crazy comparing notes on how well their children and grandkids are doing. both ladies were trying to outdo each and another. then the topic about what would happen if the plane crashed who would the rescue team find first in the plane wreckage. well the jewish lady said with all these huge diamond rings i have on my fingers this brillant gold chain necklace around by neck. when the rescuers come into the plane they would be able to spot me right away and save me first. the african american lady says hell no way would they save you first. dont you know that when a plane goes down the first thing they look for is that black box .

From : yonzie

i notice sometimes if i come to a hard stop in my 04 quad i can feel the abs for an extra second or two on the peddle. even after the truck has stopped. i havent had any thuds though. on www.dodgedakotas.com they were saying its the fuel sloshing forward after you come to a stop. i got the same thing in my 04 quad w/ 4.7 art 89 plymouth ahb 82400-162423 98 xj black 35948-45398 00 xj black 33600- 04 dodge dakota 7- i cant use what i cant abuse - garbage rip #3 go! #29 #88 .

From : yonzie

sr5kd.52848$hr3.2089695@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find i wonder if you were buying a tv or someother big item if the store would give you some sort of a price break if you paid cash. like there are still some stores where you can dicker on prices. forget about costco walmart kmart possibly. afaik the credit card companies charge from 2% to 5% of the purchase price to the store. i dont see why they wouldnt give that back to you for cash since it costs them nothing to do it unless they just dont want to worry about holding and depositing that much cash. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote to be honest i wouldnt want to live there . . .too hot in the summer. when i was a kid my family drove thru flagstaff going and coming from ca and both times mom gave us kids wet towels to keep us cool 53 chevy no ac. and i got sick of orange trees grapefruit trees lemon trees etc. in so cal in 57. bg we were driving through some residential area in scotsdale with my friend percy from portland. along the roadway were these small sized orange trees that lined the driveway into this one area. on the trees were these nice big oranges. percy stopped the car looked around and said no one is watching he told me to run out and steal an orange. i got back into the car and dug into this orange. it had an awful thick orange peel but so what it was the center part i wanted. took one big bite and it was the most sour tasting thing i have ever had. shit ole percy is just a laughing. here these were oranmental trees just for looks and not eating. i kinda of wondered why no one else is stealing these oranges before i took mine. thats why these trees still had oranges on them. dale .

From : tbone

swjd.52819$hr3.2066348@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote wlsjd.52281$hr3.2018096@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. horseshit. the black box performs the same functions recording speed distance direction just as a gps would. lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. it has no tracking abilities and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i would like to look into a white box dale that would be the first aid kit - i forgot about that little box dale .

From : yonzie

sr5kd.52848$hr3.2089695@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find funny is if you are even a penny short on the zero balance they want you to pay the interest on the full amount. and then to top it all off if you are even a day late they try to charge you a $35 dollar fee plus the interest on the full amount what a rip-off. i can see this fee if you actually miss a payment and possibly the interest if you are late or miss a payment but to do both for a day late is just a rip-off and people wonder why i have the attitude toward big business that i do. one time we opened an account for my daughter at the bank. couple months later they send here a credit card application form. so we did the next best thing filled it out and mailed it. never heard from them again. they must of felt stupid when they read her date of birth my daughter was only 6 years old at the time. dale .

From : jerry

steve wrote friends i have a 1996 1500 pu 4x4 5.9l. it has what the dealership calls a 9 1/4 corporate rear differential. i was changing the lube in it and had removed the cover. as i put the differential cover back on and was tightening the bolts the head of the very top ones sheared off. my question is can i leave it like this until i service it again or am i going to have to get it tapped out thanks steve the dummy if you dont fix it it will leak. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : budd cochran

just for the record when you have the truck at the dealership have them do a coolant system pressure check - may determine why the part failed - so that you wont have the problem in the future. for some reason it sounds like the part was exposed to excessive heat. had the same problem with my wifes buick - replaced cap 6 times turned out to be a blown intake manifold gasket. hope this helps john .

From : budd cochran

i would be concerned about water/dirt/debris getting in if there is any kind of inclement weather. you could just slather gasket sealer over where the bolt head was and at the top of the cover where it meets the housing. the left hand drill bit will work well. if that doesnt work get a set of easy-outs. tap them into a hole you drilled into the bolt turn the rest of the bolt out with pliers on the easy out. hth. carl friends i have a 1996 1500 pu 4x4 5.9l. it has what the dealership calls a 9 1/4 corporate rear differential. i was changing the lube in it and had removed the cover. as i put the differential cover back on and was tightening the bolts the head of the very top ones sheared off. my question is can i leave it like this until i service it again or am i going to have to get it tapped out thanks steve the dummy .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote how are the winters there flagstaff averages about 110 of snow a year. 300 at the ski area thats 15 miles away. its generally not frigid cold in the winters though. usually in the 40s between storms. lows around 15 are the winter norm. record low for flagstaff was 25 below in the early 80s. ouch!!! canon city during the denver blizzard of 99 got a whopping 6 and a total of 18 for the whole winter. in 93 i rode my 450 honda untill mid december and got it back out in mid february. moab otoh doesnt get much snow but the lows in the winter often hit single digits. the weather is one reason why were trying to move back to canon city co. mild summers and moderate winters make for a yearly average of 57degrees at 5000 ft in the colorado rockies. id love to live in the rockies somewhere but work is hard to find in my field. altitude gets too me a bit also. it takes most people about 2-3 years to adapt to altitude if otherwise healthy. i have a huge lung capacity myself and its never been a problem . .. .but down at phoenixs 100 foot altitude i breathed a lot less often. the secret to adapting is moderation. what kind of work do you do budd .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote how are the winters there flagstaff averages about 110 of snow a year. 300 at the ski area thats 15 miles away. its generally not frigid cold in the winters though. usually in the 40s between storms. lows around 15 are the winter norm. record low for flagstaff was 25 below in the early 80s. the weather is one reason why were trying to move back to canon city co. mild summers and moderate winters make for a yearly average of 57degrees at 5000 ft in the colorado rockies. id love to live in the rockies somewhere but work is hard to find in my field. altitude gets too me a bit also. .

From : budd cochran

on tue 09 nov 2004 190038 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote it is anyway. have you seen the accident statistics i have been rear ended at a stop sign by a pontiac gto when the driver was watching a blonde carhop instead of the road no insurance had my car backed into by an angry young man at his parents who knocked it sideways 10 inches no insurance and in neither case did my insurance go up even though it paid for the repairs. why the other driver was at fault and the insurance company sued for the damages. the kid sold his catalina to pay for my car and the gto owner sold another car to repay. man what company do you have i want to look at them at renewal time. that is very rare for an insurance company to do that. it is very cool and correct but very rare. sorry but those three accidents in the cuda happened before i was 21 . . ..about 37 years ago and it was farmers mutual ins. .

From : jerry

tbone wrote lol and people still kill people too. should we follow your idiotic reasoning and eliminate all laws that are not 100% followed. i guess that by your standard we should eliminate the laws on drug use and trafficking rape murder hell all of them. now that was the stupidest thing youve ever said. well on 2nd thought theres been worse. but theres so many its hard to rank them all. it only seems that way to you because it costs you money. why is it that its ok for you to make as much money as possible with no limits but when someone else does it and some of it comes out of your pocket its totally wrong dang which one of your statements is the stupidest why is it youre two-faced on this issue of legislature that allows corporate robbing of the consumer now to answer you stupid statement. if i can make a product that people want and i make money off of it then great. i make a living people get what they want. supply and demand at work. in the case of legislature that were discussing it costs me money without benifit to me. whats worse is that i have no choice but to pay it because of the law. .

From : miles

do you ever feel youre trying to record an important message on a cassette recorder with a bad tape and this is the kind of playback you get -- budd tbone wrote really ........ couldnt be a radio with added features. what difference does it make you made claims the units simply show where you had been......... nope. i said that all a gps itself does is show you where you are. bullshit........ you said where you had been btw wtf are you talking about anyway we were discussing the privacy issues of a black box in a vehicle youre the one that commented that data from a gps unit has to be retrieved to show only where someone was........ you again as usual were wrong. now what are you lying about no need to lie ........... just read back to you own words. not a gps or combo unit of any type. then you better go back and read through the threads ........... you are the only one making ridiculous claims of what you know about a gps unit. wrong again i was talking about the differences between a black box and a gps not the specifics about every gps like you tried to spin it into with your hand held which has nothing to do with a car at all. more bull shit ...... you specifically said a gps had to be hooked to something to retrieve data. you were wrong again. because it is a gps combo unit and not a black box moron. no facts or base so into the name calling again...... no wait..... tbone claims he never does that....... the fact is that by definition they are different in both purpose and ability and you are a moron so no real name calling either. lol ...... youre the only guy i know that shits in the middle of the street then turns around and steps in his own crap. i wonder how he thinks a black box receives a signal to capture data on deployment of the airbag if it doesnt communicate with the pcm. lol now you have a simple data recorder being the intelligent device rather than the pcm. sorry little man ...... again you try to spin away from the fact you made the claim the pcm could never communicate with a black box. really liar please post exactly where i said that. fuck you im not playing that game. its been done before and you simply ignore it. go back and find it for yourself. the only one spinning now is you and even if the bb was communicating with the pcm instead of the other way around what difference would that make the pcm is not a transmitter to those black helicopters either. doesnt make any difference except you claimed there were absolutely no link between the box and the pcm. more spin. i guess in your computer the hd is that does all of the work while the processor loafs under its cooling fan what an idiot. gee little man .......... youre really in a melt down with the name calling huh .......... why dont you try a little fact support for some of your bullshit. me how about you for a change. lol.... stepping in more of your crap are you........... now in reality the pcm sends data to it for storage how about that ........... another flip flop for little man tbone. go back to yesterday where you challenged that the pcm was hooked up to a black box. make up your mind little man. again jerry lets see you back up some of your bs for a change. please repost exactly where i said that one as well. again fuck you. you said it everyone knows it go back 24 hours and read it for yourself. not the other way around and it the black box has no magical abilities to request specific data or transmit it to those black helicopters flying above you. cite a source to prove that ........... you cant of course because none of us are in a position to know that. because it would serve no purpose. then what are you crying about............. how would they communicate with it gee golly mr. know it all you dont know...... why i shocked you cant spin some stupid comment. and how would they know where it was comming from now your being honest for a change by admitting how little you really do know. you are talking out of your ass again jerry. yeah sure little man. what ever you say little man. keep spinning troll boy everyone is enjoying the laugh.. i am sure that they are but this time they are laughing at you. you know tommy troll miles was wrong. youre not here because you actually believe something to be true. you here because you have no life and are simply a little troll man looking for a purpose to exist. you call me a moron but im not the one stupid enough to put e rated truck tires on my ram 1500 so it will ride rough then air them down to 30 psi so it will ride smooth all the while creating heat that will cause failure someday. yeah right the moron is is little tommy troll. i think the rest of the people in this ng are right when they say ignoring you s

From : miles

then we need to petition our congressional reps to outlaw no-fault insurance at least and to not use credit reports of any kind for setting premiums. it will have to be done on the state level and the federal. -- budd on tue 09 nov 2004 184427 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 141122 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones but you cant go by your family and personal experience budd... hopefully you and the typical illegal alien driving without insurance are 2 different ends of the spectrum.. that depends on wether or not hes hauling drugs and running from the cops wouldnt it if you get hit by someone without insurance and they have no assets to fix your car you might think differently about requiring insurance... dont misunderstand me please. im all for insurance but i dont think the state government should require insurance which has resulted in inflated premiums and an elimination of responsibility for ones actions. if you cant pay and no insurance / bond figure on spending some time in a court room totalling your assets to pay for the damages or in jail. and my premiums should not reflect the poor driving of some whacked out crack head or drunk but only my driving record; 5 accidents with only one my fault two speeding tickets one left-of-center ticket one warning for driving too fast for conditions in nearly 39 years of driving. any better and they should pay me to use their insurance. man i agree with that. i have no accidents or citations on my record nor does my wife. thats in the last five years which is as far as insurance companies can go here. so i renewed my policy and put my 17 year old son on the policy. my agent tells me that my premiums will go down on mine and my wives part based on our age and driving record my sons part went up---way up.......having a 17 year old male driver in the family is not a cheap thing. when i got my bill from allstate everything went up so i called to complain that it was more than the price my allstate agent gave me. get this.......allstate put me in a higher rate bracket when the home office accountants got the renewal. it wasnt due to my driving they couldnt get me there so they raised my credit rating. not sure what that has to do with insurance and i have always had the highest credit rating. i demanded an explaination which they only provided after i contacted the state insurance commisioner and he made them give me one. here it is i have very few consumer loans just my home but can qualify for a lot more loans on income. allstate said that their statistics showed that people who dont use their available credit are a higher risk for accidents! reason 2 in the last year my wife closed her credit card account and opened a different one that gives her air miles. we only use the card to buy things that we have the cash to pay off in that billing cycle we never carry a balance but she wants the airline mileage. allstate said that their statisitics show that people that have opened a new consumer credit account in the last 12 months are more likely to be involved in an accident. now this story is absolutely true. go figure. they penalized me for using my credit and for not using my credit at the same time. i filed a complaint with the state and got a phone call from the investigator. he was very sorry he said it was the stupidist thing hed seen in a while but that insurance companies can do virtaully anything as long as they can find statistical data to support it that relates to accidents. dont give them black boxes folks who knows what they will do with that data. i like californias system you have to have liability but its up to you whether or not you want to insure against damage to your own car.. most states on cars that have clear titles require only property damage and personal liability iirc. i havent had collision coverage since 1973 on my 72 charger which was required by the credit union. i paid off early and dropped it. the ex got it in the divorce in 74 so it became her worry. budd .

From : tbone

tbone wrote the thing is budd mandatory insurance exists to protect the good drivers and everyone else from the bad ones. no it doesnt. thats what lawmakers want you to believe. the law does nothing except put money into big insurance corporations pockets. this is about the dumbest thing that you have come out with yet and thats saying something. it is exactly the type of legislature you whine about republicans like crazy. yet in this case you support it because of a misbelief in its effect. people still drive without insurance despite the law. lol and people still kill people too. should we follow your idiotic reasoning and eliminate all laws that are not 100% followed. i guess that by your standard we should eliminate the laws on drug use and trafficking rape murder hell all of them. they dont buy it because they dont have the money. they still drive anyways. it is a stupid worthless law. the mandatory law sets minimums that didnt exist before. so now those that do carry insurance see higher rates. it only seems that way to you because it costs you money. why is it that its ok for you to make as much money as possible with no limits but when someone else does it and some of it comes out of your pocket its totally wrong -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote really ........ couldnt be a radio with added features. what difference does it make you made claims the units simply show where you had been......... nope. i said that all a gps itself does is show you where you are. bullshit........ you said where you had been btw wtf are you talking about anyway we were discussing the privacy issues of a black box in a vehicle youre the one that commented that data from a gps unit has to be retrieved to show only where someone was........ you again as usual were wrong. now what are you lying about no need to lie ........... just read back to you own words. not a gps or combo unit of any type. then you better go back and read through the threads ........... you are the only one making ridiculous claims of what you know about a gps unit. wrong again i was talking about the differences between a black box and a gps not the specifics about every gps like you tried to spin it into with your hand held which has nothing to do with a car at all. more bull shit ...... you specifically said a gps had to be hooked to something to retrieve data. you were wrong again. because it is a gps combo unit and not a black box moron. no facts or base so into the name calling again...... no wait..... tbone claims he never does that....... the fact is that by definition they are different in both purpose and ability and you are a moron so no real name calling either. lol ...... youre the only guy i know that shits in the middle of the street then turns around and steps in his own crap. i wonder how he thinks a black box receives a signal to capture data on deployment of the airbag if it doesnt communicate with the pcm. lol now you have a simple data recorder being the intelligent device rather than the pcm. sorry little man ...... again you try to spin away from the fact you made the claim the pcm could never communicate with a black box. really liar please post exactly where i said that. fuck you im not playing that game. its been done before and you simply ignore it. go back and find it for yourself. the only one spinning now is you and even if the bb was communicating with the pcm instead of the other way around what difference would that make the pcm is not a transmitter to those black helicopters either. doesnt make any difference except you claimed there were absolutely no link between the box and the pcm. more spin. i guess in your computer the hd is that does all of the work while the processor loafs under its cooling fan what an idiot. gee little man .......... youre really in a melt down with the name calling huh .......... why dont you try a little fact support for some of your bullshit. me how about you for a change. lol.... stepping in more of your crap are you........... now in reality the pcm sends data to it for storage how about that ........... another flip flop for little man tbone. go back to yesterday where you challenged that the pcm was hooked up to a black box. make up your mind little man. again jerry lets see you back up some of your bs for a change. please repost exactly where i said that one as well. again fuck you. you said it everyone knows it go back 24 hours and read it for yourself. not the other way around and it the black box has no magical abilities to request specific data or transmit it to those black helicopters flying above you. cite a source to prove that ........... you cant of course because none of us are in a position to know that. because it would serve no purpose. then what are you crying about............. how would they communicate with it gee golly mr. know it all you dont know...... why i shocked you cant spin some stupid comment. and how would they know where it was comming from now your being honest for a change by admitting how little you really do know. you are talking out of your ass again jerry. yeah sure little man. what ever you say little man. keep spinning troll boy everyone is enjoying the laugh.. i am sure that they are but this time they are laughing at you. you know tommy troll miles was wrong. youre not here because you actually believe something to be true. you here because you have no life and are simply a little troll man looking for a purpose to exist. you call me a moron but im not the one stupid enough to put e rated truck tires on my ram 1500 so it will ride rough then air them down to 30 psi so it will ride smooth all the while creating heat that will cause failure someday. yeah right the moron is is little tommy troll. i think the rest of the people in this ng are right when they say ignoring you stupid ass is the best course. youre one sad little piece of shit. have fun talking to yourself. jerry .

From : tbone

i have done a bit of research and i have not been able to find any real information about the blowby bottle. i have read that it needs to be emptied every oil change but i have no idea where it resides on the 2004 cummins 600. you dont have one... the common-rail engines have a re-designed blowby recovery system that recycles the oil back into the engine. downtown yuck. does anyone know if i can get this oil online i talked to valvoline and cummins and they said no. stick with what you have available locally... shell rotella-t mobil delvac 1300 and chevron delo 400 all in 15w40 are perfectly acceptable. .

From : mac davis

max340 wrote duh. ever used gps how about just read about it do you like digging holes for yourself wtf are you really this idiotic as miles stated gps tracks all pertinant info on your trip so you can backtrack. thats what gps is for. answer is no and he hasnt a clue what he is talking about. hell even my local walmart sells the garmin rino 120 gps unit which is a gps and fmrs unit combo. not only can you talk to someone but you can pinpoint their exact location while talking to them. you dont need a data connection as tbone claims and it is not transmitting where someone was but where they are at that moment. i wonder how he thinks a black box receives a signal to capture data on deployment of the airbag if it doesnt communicate with the pcm. jerry .

From : mac davis

on tue 09 nov 2004 010653 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale but then they can track you and your buying habits through your credit card purchases.. is that the sound of black helicopters that i hear lol!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on 09 nov 2004 135631 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote who else besides the gm onstar currently transmits data without a local physical connection an excellent question which is why some of us dont like the idea of a data recorder monitoring our activities. iow it records 5 seconds worth of your worst panic stop in the last 60 days or so. so at any given point it could be asked to cough up your scariest moment which could in turn lead to other scary moments when the insurance bills or legal authorities show up. yep. but i dont believe its worth worrying about until somebody answers my question above. anybody got an rf scanning oscope that can catch the transmitter frequency from their cars black box and measure the power out so we can see whether they are using the cell phone repeaters or satellites for a communications path i know the technology is available to have the data transmitted but if the government isnt requiring the transmission the carmakers are not going to implement it even if they could pass on the cost to the customers. and how many insurance companies require that you bring your car in for appraisal where they hook up the computer and dump your scariest moment before quoting your rates for the next six months anyone i thought not! in fact some insurance companies are giving rate cuts because they are hoping that the data from these black boxes will help design out flaws that contribute to accidents even if they still cant fix some of the functional disconnects between the steering wheel and the seat cushion. but then this stuff is not being sent out right ive seen nothing for any other system except onstar that says any info is being transmitted. and even with onstar id be willing to swag that the only info that is sent is a location and oops - air bag deployed. with the recent california law and others onstar probably isnt privy to the fact that you were doing 95mph on ice when you hit that bridge abutment and set off the air bags. vbg if they did get that kind of information the conversation wouldnt be mr. smith i noticed that your air bag deployed do you need assistance rather it would be something along the lines of holy shit! that must have been a hell of a ride! hello hello mr. smith lol!!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

hi max. just my 2 cents worth on this. he may actually be that stupid! whatever the deal i just see no point in playing his game. thanks for the reality check. agreed to all points. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : mark

tbone wrote the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i have a older gps hand held that logs data constantly. learn how to read jerry. i said that it was not a requirement for them to do that not that none of them do. nice try little man ......... to say it is not a requirement is to say it is not a function of the unit. next flip flop spin please.... you really are one desperate sorry little troll there jerry. many units have functions that are not part of there requirements and to say what you did really shows just how either desperate or stupid you really are. my mobile phone can play video games but that is not a requirement of a mobile phone. being able to make calls is. tracking points along a route is a feature of certian gps units but it is not a requirement and not all of them do that. next spin please. theyre called track logs. at any time i can pull up the track log pick out any point in the route call it up and the display shows position and direction of travel when logged. a gps unit wouldnt be much help to someone lost if they couldnt turn around and re-trace their route. now that depends on the type and specific use now wouldnt it either way those are add on features and not required for the gps to pinpoint you current location. at the very least read up a little on a gps unit before making such stupid comments. its not a add on it is part of the systems function. no it is a part of your particular units features but that function or ability is not required to make it a gps. care to try again there is no value to only knowing your position with devices or means to put that information to use. facts are still facts jerry. a gps is not the same thing as a data recorder black box because a data recorder does not process information it only stores it. the minute you add processing ability to it it becomes something else like your gps which receives data and then processes it into information. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : greg surratt

they are the power trailer towing mirror package. by the way what does one do with a set of brand new 2004 power heated dodge ram mirrors after trading up to the trailer towing mirrors. i cant seem to find a buyer for them and want to recoup some of the money i spent for the trailer towing mirrors @trndny03 i am looking for the corner blind spot mirrors i have seen on newer model dodge pickup trucks. i called my local dealer and the parts department had no clue what i was talking about so i am assuming they are aftermarket. any help tia. jay on my 2004 they are part of the power trailer mirror package. al .

From : miles

hodad wrote i crawled under my 03 1500 qc 4.7 to do an oil change and found anti-freeze all along the bottom and side of the radiator cowling. i traced it up to the blowoff tube coming from the overflow tank that sits atop the radiator. the cap is actually on the overflow tank. when i squeeze the upper hose you can hear air coming out the blowoff tube. no pressure in the hose after shutting the engine down hot. checked the cap and the rubber seal is warped and bubbly on one side. ive got just over 8000 miles on the truck now. i know a cap is cheap and this is petty but should the dealer replace it just starting to wonder what other cheap outsourced parts are gonna fail next! hd its under warrenty so the dealer should pay for it. cap failaures seem to be pretty uncommon so i would get a new one from the dealership. if it worries you get one from a local parts store. -- .bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project talked to them today and they will have one in for me tomorrow. a non-stocked item. im surprised by how thin the rubber gasket is on the one that failed. hd .

From : theguy

it doesnt have egr ....all plugs are black....any suggestions...this is my last chance....sorry to post so much....thanks mike have you checked the o2 sensors on the exhaust circuit if failed usually the engine burns rich .

From : miles

on 09 nov 2004 135631 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote who else besides the gm onstar currently transmits data without a local physical connection an excellent question which is why some of us dont like the idea of a data recorder monitoring our activities. iow it records 5 seconds worth of your worst panic stop in the last 60 days or so. so at any given point it could be asked to cough up your scariest moment which could in turn lead to other scary moments when the insurance bills or legal authorities show up. yep. but i dont believe its worth worrying about until somebody answers my question above. anybody got an rf scanning oscope that can catch the transmitter frequency from their cars black box and measure the power out so we can see whether they are using the cell phone repeaters or satellites for a communications path i know the technology is available to have the data transmitted but if the government isnt requiring the transmission the carmakers are not going to implement it even if they could pass on the cost to the customers. and how many insurance companies require that you bring your car in for appraisal where they hook up the computer and dump your scariest moment before quoting your rates for the next six months anyone i thought not! in fact some insurance companies are giving rate cuts because they are hoping that the data from these black boxes will help design out flaws that contribute to accidents even if they still cant fix some of the functional disconnects between the steering wheel and the seat cushion. but then this stuff is not being sent out right ive seen nothing for any other system except onstar that says any info is being transmitted. and even with onstar id be willing to swag that the only info that is sent is a location and oops - air bag deployed. with the recent california law and others onstar probably isnt privy to the fact that you were doing 95mph on ice when you hit that bridge abutment and set off the air bags. vbg if they did get that kind of information the conversation wouldnt be mr. smith i noticed that your air bag deployed do you need assistance rather it would be something along the lines of holy shit! that must have been a hell of a ride! hello hello mr. smith greg .

From : jerry

tbone wrote so what it still cannot be randomly accessed and appears to serve no purpose other than to add information to an active investigation such as an accident. do you have something to hide oh please not the old liberal line of have something to hide. since im not doing anything wrong why do they need to record my activities lets see here. maybe make everyone wear tracking bracelets that record where you go. then if youre a suspect to a crime they can see if you were at the scene of the crime. dont like that do you have something to hide that is not true since the insurance companies will never see just the black box info. that info would come to them as part of the police investigation where it would be used to confirm or disprove the stories told by those involved in the acciident. insurance companies are not bound to side with a police report. besides many accidents have no citations issued. insurance companies do their own investigations. a police report if any exists is used as part of their investigation. the info gained from a black box can easily be used by the insurance company to deny a claim. it serves me as a car owner no purpose. i thought you were the type that always wanted to protect the consumer rather than the big corporate world. i see a reversal here tom. sure it does it provides an impartial witness to an accident that will help the police determine the actual cause and who is at fault which translates into the correct persons driving record and insurance rates being affected. it can also easily mislead police or insurance companies. just because i was speeding does not make an accident my fault. it may or may not have even contributed. the info can be used as an excuse to deny a claim regardless of actual fault. the only one such a device helps is the insurance companies. not the consumer. you being a liberal and all should side for consumer protection and not protecting insurance corporations interests. how does this serve the corporate world and if it did why would the champion of the corporate world you be against it it allows the industry a way to deny a claim. an accident that was not my fault at all could be ruled partly or entirely my fault based on misleading information from a black box. the relevance of such information is hard to prove either way. the only reason insurance companies want it is for a method to deny a claim not to provide them with a reason to pay. i am against laws that serve no purpose to help our economy or are unfair to one side or the other. these black boxes are paid for by the consumer but do not benifit them. if you pay for something you should gain the benifits from it. .

From : jerry

tbone wrote the thing is budd mandatory insurance exists to protect the good drivers and everyone else from the bad ones. no it doesnt. thats what lawmakers want you to believe. the law does nothing except put money into big insurance corporations pockets. it is exactly the type of legislature you whine about republicans like crazy. yet in this case you support it because of a misbelief in its effect. people still drive without insurance despite the law. they dont buy it because they dont have the money. they still drive anyways. it is a stupid worthless law. the mandatory law sets minimums that didnt exist before. so now those that do carry insurance see higher rates. .

From : miles

tbone wrote the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i have a older gps hand held that logs data constantly. learn how to read jerry. i said that it was not a requirement for them to do that not that none of them do. nice try little man ......... to say it is not a requirement is to say it is not a function of the unit. next flip flop spin please.... theyre called track logs. at any time i can pull up the track log pick out any point in the route call it up and the display shows position and direction of travel when logged. a gps unit wouldnt be much help to someone lost if they couldnt turn around and re-trace their route. now that depends on the type and specific use now wouldnt it either way those are add on features and not required for the gps to pinpoint you current location. at the very least read up a little on a gps unit before making such stupid comments. its not a add on it is part of the systems function. there is no value to only knowing your position with devices or means to put that information to use. didnt i once see you sitting on a park bench eating a box of chocolate............ jerry .

From : miles

tbone wrote lol and there is the key word it is a combo unit and in this case a gps with added features. really ........ couldnt be a radio with added features. what difference does it make you made claims the units simply show where you had been......... btw wtf are you talking about anyway we were discussing the privacy issues of a black box in a vehicle youre the one that commented that data from a gps unit has to be retrieved to show only where someone was........ you again as usual were wrong. not a gps or combo unit of any type. then you better go back and read through the threads ........... you are the only one making ridiculous claims of what you know about a gps unit. because it is a gps combo unit and not a black box moron. no facts or base so into the name calling again...... no wait..... tbone claims he never does that....... i wonder how he thinks a black box receives a signal to capture data on deployment of the airbag if it doesnt communicate with the pcm. lol now you have a simple data recorder being the intelligent device rather than the pcm. sorry little man ...... again you try to spin away from the fact you made the claim the pcm could never communicate with a black box. i guess in your computer the hd is that does all of the work while the processor loafs under its cooling fan what an idiot. gee little man .......... youre really in a melt down with the name calling huh .......... why dont you try a little fact support for some of your bullshit. now in reality the pcm sends data to it for storage how about that ........... another flip flop for little man tbone. go back to yesterday where you challenged that the pcm was hooked up to a black box. make up your mind little man. not the other way around and it the black box has no magical abilities to request specific data or transmit it to those black helicopters flying above you. cite a source to prove that ........... you cant of course because none of us are in a position to know that. keep spinning troll boy everyone is enjoying the laugh.. jerry .

From : jerry

budd cochran wrote if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones its mandatory here in az. or if you are wealthy enough you can take out a bond instead of insurance. insurance is more to protect your assets more than anything else. if you own a nice home and have lots of money in the bank and cause an accident youll have lawyers trying to take it all. as the song says freedom is just another word for having nothing left to lose. .

From : theguy

hi i have done a bit of research and i have not been able to find any real information about the blowby bottle. i have read that it needs to be emptied every oil change but i have no idea where it resides on the 2004 cummins 600. additionally i have looked and looked for valvoline premium blue sythetic oil which is what cummins recommends for this engine. the only place in dallas is the cummins distributor which is near downtown yuck. does anyone know if i can get this oil online i talked to valvoline and cummins and they said no. btw my truck kicks ass. thanks craig c. 2004 ram 2500 4x4 qc graphite. .

From : budd cochran

on tue 09 nov 2004 184427 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote on tue 09 nov 2004 141122 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones but you cant go by your family and personal experience budd... hopefully you and the typical illegal alien driving without insurance are 2 different ends of the spectrum.. that depends on wether or not hes hauling drugs and running from the cops wouldnt it if you get hit by someone without insurance and they have no assets to fix your car you might think differently about requiring insurance... dont misunderstand me please. im all for insurance but i dont think the state government should require insurance which has resulted in inflated premiums and an elimination of responsibility for ones actions. if you cant pay and no insurance / bond figure on spending some time in a court room totalling your assets to pay for the damages or in jail. and my premiums should not reflect the poor driving of some whacked out crack head or drunk but only my driving record; 5 accidents with only one my fault two speeding tickets one left-of-center ticket one warning for driving too fast for conditions in nearly 39 years of driving. any better and they should pay me to use their insurance. man i agree with that. i have no accidents or citations on my record nor does my wife. thats in the last five years which is as far as insurance companies can go here. so i renewed my policy and put my 17 year old son on the policy. my agent tells me that my premiums will go down on mine and my wives part based on our age and driving record my sons part went up---way up.......having a 17 year old male driver in the family is not a cheap thing. when i got my bill from allstate everything went up so i called to complain that it was more than the price my allstate agent gave me. get this.......allstate put me in a higher rate bracket when the home office accountants got the renewal. it wasnt due to my driving they couldnt get me there so they raised my credit rating. not sure what that has to do with insurance and i have always had the highest credit rating. i demanded an explaination which they only provided after i contacted the state insurance commisioner and he made them give me one. here it is i have very few consumer loans just my home but can qualify for a lot more loans on income. allstate said that their statistics showed that people who dont use their available credit are a higher risk for accidents! reason 2 in the last year my wife closed her credit card account and opened a different one that gives her air miles. we only use the card to buy things that we have the cash to pay off in that billing cycle we never carry a balance but she wants the airline mileage. allstate said that their statisitics show that people that have opened a new consumer credit account in the last 12 months are more likely to be involved in an accident. now this story is absolutely true. go figure. they penalized me for using my credit and for not using my credit at the same time. i filed a complaint with the state and got a phone call from the investigator. he was very sorry he said it was the stupidist thing hed seen in a while but that insurance companies can do virtaully anything as long as they can find statistical data to support it that relates to accidents. dont give them black boxes folks who knows what they will do with that data. i like californias system you have to have liability but its up to you whether or not you want to insure against damage to your own car.. most states on cars that have clear titles require only property damage and personal liability iirc. i havent had collision coverage since 1973 on my 72 charger which was required by the credit union. i paid off early and dropped it. the ex got it in the divorce in 74 so it became her worry. budd .

From : budd cochran

check the 49403 and 49404 here http//www.rpminnovations.com/convex-h.htm the 49403 looks like the upper outside corners of the oe towing mirrors on my 01 2500. rick i am looking for the corner blind spot mirrors i have seen on newer model dodge pickup trucks. i called my local dealer and the parts department had no clue what i was talking about so i am assuming they are aftermarket. any help tia. jay .

From : theguy

lol we had to use one of our cards over the weekend doesnt any bank have saturday hours anymore and ive been called already to see if it had been stolen . . maybe i should have said . . .no thats not honest. -- budd on tue 09 nov 2004 010653 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale but then they can track you and your buying habits through your credit card purchases.. is that the sound of black helicopters that i hear .

From : budd cochran

miles you are correct on this one. black boxes of the type discussed here would be of very little help to police in accident investigation. there would be instances where the data would be valuable but it would be rare. the times that they would be of help would in no way justify the cost of them which we would all pay nor the injustices that blind data can cause. additionally insurance companies absolutely would use them to deny claims. this is what insurance companies are good at denying claims for any reason. it doesnt have to be a good reason any reason will do. that leaves the individual in a position where they have to fight the insurance company who have regulation and time on their side. the tactics of insurance companies to deny claims and stall claims is incredible to me. it is all based on statistics. there is no reason to have black boxes in cars other than to give insurance companies another reason to deny claims and make more money. they would not lead to lower premiums because nothing ever will for insurance companies. i may sound bitter on this but really insurance companies are a strange animal. the whole concept is a strange one. buying insurance is literally betting against yourself but we are in a position where we nee

From : tbone

i am looking for the corner blind spot mirrors i have seen on newer model dodge pickup trucks. i called my local dealer and the parts department had no clue what i was talking about so i am assuming they are aftermarket. any help tia. jay .

From : theguy

what do you guys know about them and would u recommend them david .

From : max340

hi max. just my 2 cents worth on this. he may actually be that stupid! whatever the deal i just see no point in playing his game. thanks for the reality check. agreed to all points. then why are you in this thread making a fool out of yourself again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on tue 09 nov 2004 141745 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote just before colorado went to mandatory insurance i was paying $65 every six months for insurance on our 68 fury iii. afterwards same company & car it went to $15 / month over the next six months no claims either and has never been that low since. yeah no-fault has saved me so-o-o-o-o much. not!!!! imho the government of canada should be paying the whole bill for your insurance if theyre going to supply it and/or mandate it. i believer it should be the same here. i think the issue of mandatory insurance and the cost of insurance are two different issues. as to the cost insurance companies are the experts at manipulating data and adjusting rates way beyond reasonableness. they make tremendous profits. i remember years ago i backed a car into a post. bad thing to do by the way. the bill was around $400 so the insurance company paid me $200. my renewal comes up and my premiums went up the next year $400. so to get $200 from them cost me $400. good profit for them. they justified it by saying that their statistics proved that people that were involved in an at fault one car accident were more likely to be in another accident so they put me into a higher rate category. most states have insurance commisioners but they will tell you that they are really powerless the insurance companies are also experts at lobbying and getting laws passed that benefit them. the clue there was they lumped you in with every other drunk dopehead cell-phone user that ever backed into a post and not just those that backed up farther than expected. your rates went up to cover all those cases not just what happened to you. that is not fair. as for having insurance mandatory insurance in this day and age is really a good thing. even then there are a lot of dirvers out there without insurance and after a run in with the cops they end up with no license either for not having insurance. i have seen countless cases of people getting hit by those people. how would you feel if you were driving down the road legally and safely only to be hit by some goofball that isnt paying any attention at all and runs a red light one of those goofballs who has no insurance and no way to pay for he just did. your car is totalled and you and your family hurt. you end up using your own health insurance paying all the deductables. your insurance company pays off your car but that is after depreciation and uninsured driver deductables so you lose again. it can end up costing you an awful lot and that doesnt count lost time from work and school. that happens more than you would think. it sort of makes driving on the highways a game of luck. it is anyway. have you seen the accident statistics i have been rear ended at a stop sign by a pontiac gto when the driver was watching a blonde carhop instead of the road no insurance had my car backed into by an angry young man at his parents who knocked it sideways 10 inches no insurance and in neither case did my insurance go up even though it paid for the repairs. why the other driver was at fault and the insurance company sued for the damages. the kid sold his catalina to pay for my car and the gto owner sold another car to repay. i was sideswiped by a woman with no insurance while driving taxicab and my bosss insurance sued her till they got the repair costs his insurance didnt go up. i clipped a telephone pole due to foreign matter on a curve and didnt see a rise in my premiums btw this and the two accidents with pontiacs were with the 64 1/2 cuda . . .hmmm looks like i was wrong . . ive been in six accidentsa since i started driving. as for taking away licenses that has not been so ewffective. recently here in moab an elderly gentleman was arrested again for no license . . .for the 20th time. i agree with budd as far as insurance companies being rip off artists. they are so skilled that we just keep taking it from them. i would love to see the government really regulate insurance. i have no problem with reasonable profits but those folks are amazing. but i absolutely agree with mandatory insurance. we have the right to expect that if some goofball slams us on the highway that goofball will at least have to make sure that he pays the bills. back when people were held accountable for their driving they were made to pay one way or another with monies coughed up from somewhere or by jail time. budd .

From : tbone

needs to be much more strongly regulated. . 222 293098 gl8kd.48604$jb.1830169@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone wrote lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. it has no tracking abilities and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i have a older gps hand held that logs data constantly. learn how to read jerry. i said that it was not a requirement for them to do that not that none of them do. theyre called track logs. at any time i can pull up the track log pick out any point in the route call it up and the display shows position and direction of travel when logged. a gps unit wouldnt be much help to someone lost if they couldnt turn around and re-trace their route. now that depends on the type and specific use now wouldnt it either way those are add on features and not required for the gps to pinpoint you current location. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale yea but they make their money anyway charging the stores for their use and then increase your credit limit in the hopes that you will over extend yourself and pay their outrageous interest rates. the thing that i find funny is if you are even a penny short on the zero balance they want you to pay the interest on the full amount. and then to top it all off if you are even a day late they try to charge you a $35 dollar fee plus the interest on the full amount what a rip-off. i can see this fee if you actually miss a payment and possibly the interest if you are late or miss a payment but to do both for a day late is just a rip-off and people wonder why i have the attitude toward big business that i do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

max340 wrote duh. ever used gps how about just read about it do you like digging holes for yourself wtf are you really this idiotic as miles stated gps tracks all pertinant info on your trip so you can backtrack. thats what gps is for. answer is no and he hasnt a clue what he is talking about. sorry jerry but once again that would be you. hell even my local walmart sells the garmin rino 120 gps unit which is a gps and fmrs unit combo. lol and there is the key word it is a combo unit and in this case a gps with added features. btw wtf are you talking about anyway we were discussing the privacy issues of a black box in a vehicle not a gps or combo unit of any type. not only can you talk to someone but you can pinpoint their exact location while talking to them. you dont need a data connection as tbone claims and it is not transmitting where someone was but where they are at that moment. because it is a gps combo unit and not a black box moron. i wonder how he thinks a black box receives a signal to capture data on deployment of the airbag if it doesnt communicate with the pcm. lol now you have a simple data recorder being the intelligent device rather than the pcm. i guess in your computer the hd is that does all of the work while the processor loafs under its cooling fan what an idiot. now in reality the pcm sends data to it for storage not the other way around and it the black box has no magical abilities to request specific data or transmit it to those black helicopters flying above you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jerry

on tue 09 nov 2004 141745 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote just before colorado went to mandatory insurance i was paying $65 every six months for insurance on our 68 fury iii. afterwards same company & car it went to $15 / month over the next six months no claims either and has never been that low since. yeah no-fault has saved me so-o-o-o-o much. not!!!! imho the government of canada should be paying the whole bill for your insurance if theyre going to supply it and/or mandate it. i believer it should be the same here. i think the issue of mandatory insurance and the cost of insurance are two different issues. as to the cost insurance companies are the experts at manipulating data and adjusting rates way beyond reasonableness. they make tremendous profits. i remember years ago i backed a car into a post. bad thing to do by the way. the bill was around $400 so the insurance company paid me $200. my renewal comes up and my premiums went up the next year $400. so to get $200 from them cost me $400. good profit for them. they justified it by saying that their statistics proved that people that were involved in an at fault one car accident were more likely to be in another accident so they put me into a higher rate category. most states have insurance commisioners but they will tell you that they are really powerless the insurance companies are also experts at lobbying and getting laws passed that benefit them. as for having insurance mandatory insurance in this day and age is really a good thing. even then there are a lot of dirvers out there without insurance and after a run in with the cops they end up with no license either for not having insurance. i have seen countless cases of people getting hit by those people. how would you feel if you were driving down the road legally and safely only to be hit by some goofball that isnt paying any attention at all and runs a red light one of those goofballs who has no insurance and no way to pay for he just did. your car is totalled and you and your family hurt. you end up using your own health insurance paying all the deductables. your insurance company pays off your car but that is after depreciation and uninsured driver deductables so you lose again. it can end up costing you an awful lot and that doesnt count lost time from work and school. that happens more than you would think. it sort of makes driving on the highways a game of luck. i agree with budd as far as insurance companies being rip off artists. they are so skilled that we just keep taking it from them. i would love to see the government really regulate insurance. i have no problem with reasonable profits but those folks are amazing. but i absolutely agree with mandatory insurance. we have the right to expect that if some goofball slams us on the highway that goofball will at least have to make sure that he pays the bills. .

From : budd cochran

on tue 09 nov 2004 010653 -0600 yonzie yonzie@mac.com wrote when travelling credit cards are great. or for unexpected emergencies. a lot of places dont accept checks. so if you dont carry too much cash the choices are debit card credit card or dont buy it. like you say tom as long as you pay off your credit card and maintain a zero balance each month. just love pissing off the credit card companies by doing this. sometimes i think its cheaper to go to a loan shark then pay the high interest rates they have dale but then they can track you and your buying habits through your credit card purchases.. is that the sound of black helicopters that i hear .

From : tbone

on tue 09 nov 2004 083527 -0500 chacho mstowinc@aol.com wrote hi when i bought the truck it was that way only had it a year mike kind of hard to say then... could be normal mileage. i have a 99 ram with the 360 and im averaging about 14 mpg empty and 8 mpg towing... my guess is that with the weight of a tow truck yours would be somewhere around the towing range.. .

From : budd cochran

lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. cool. thats about 1/2 of what i pay but i am insuring two cars and took a rather high maximum. in todays world it doesnt pay to take chances and yes it does pay to be a good driver. i remember when i was just 21 and bought my first new car i was paying roughly 1/12th the premium that a good friend was paying for a similar car. i was paying $285 / year for my 68 road runner insured with state farm. but that was before no-fault and mandatory insurance . . . and he was a lousy driver. mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. times are different now budd. everybody wants to sue for everything. yes times have changed. with the removal of moral values everyone is a target no one is safe from some demented idiot that thinks everyone is just an animal especially since double jeopardy civil suits are now legal. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. and if they decided to sue you for it you could lose everything without insurance and if you cause damage to someones property you should pay for it. hey tommy read it again. the car was a taxicab i drove for an employer you know a taxicab service. fifteen guesses as to who had the insurance on the car but my rates still took a small jump. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones do you want to pay the tax increases to allow them to do that i dont. even good drivers have accidents and to think differently shows true ignorance. the thing is budd mandatory insurance exists to protect the good drivers and everyone else from the bad ones. no need for tax incrases just quit wasting money. only because you cant accept the decision of the majority. i did accept it budd he won and there is no question about that and im going to get behind him just like the right got behind clinton. lol clinton was a fine example of kerrys idea of treating terrorists like a nuisance first wtc bombing. i wouldnt laugh considering the most people died from a terrorist attack on bushs watch. i guess he was more worried about tax cuts for the wealthy than protecting the country. what an idiotic leftist thing to say. clinton did next to nothing which gave the terrorists the incentive to try again. ill just have to set up a filter for your keywords and if that dont work killfile you. no you wont. we didnt killfile each other when we were treating the other one like shit so i doubt that either on of us will do it now that we are hopefully past that. face it budd we are both just too curious to hear what the other person has to say and at times we both just like to argue. tom you continue to make stupid stupid stupid assumptions. as long as you seek to divide the country then we can never be past anything as long as you think others like to argue like you do even to the point of destroying your credibility then you assume wrongly. oh well i see that the childish attitude has returned. whatever you want to call it. i never apologized to you because you wont admit your own offenses. you cannot be trusted and you love to backstab whenever possible. in short your still a troll and not trustworthy possibly even not worth giving the time of day to. all in all youre a fine example of how the loss of moral values the liberal school system and the media have manipulated those too lazy to think for themselves into a complacent army of braindead puppets. and i just dont like you. budd .

From : tbone

who else besides the gm onstar currently transmits data without a local physical connection an excellent question which is why some of us dont like the idea of a data recorder monitoring our activities. what purpose would it serve to transmit this data and who would be looking at it. then again how would they know who was operating the vehicle iow it records 5 seconds worth of your worst panic stop in the last 60 days or so. so at any given point it could be asked to cough up your scariest moment which could in turn lead to other scary moments when the insurance bills or legal authorities show up. lol unless it also time and date stamps it so what and even then it has no way to know who was driving or what the situatin was anyway. for all they would know a deer ran out in front of you on the highway and with your excellent driving skills you were able to make a high speed aviodance manuver and saved yourself the deer the vehicle and the insurance co a hell of a lot of money. why are you so worried do you normally drive so badly that you fear a ticket from generally useless information but then this stuff is not being sent out right sent to who -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

to be honest i wouldnt want to live there . . .too hot in the summer. when i was a kid my family drove thru flagstaff going and coming from ca and both times mom gave us kids wet towels to keep us cool 53 chevy no ac. and i got sick of orange trees grapefruit trees lemon trees etc. in so cal in 57. bg -- budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote lol dont drink my friend but id be glad to make it a soda. we were down to visit my son thats going to school at hti on indian school road and pick up the gateway computer i gave him. the power supply went out and of course theres none in stock. hes getting a better graphics computer from hti when they phase out their old machines anyway. im not big on big towns but phoenix is one of the prettiest ive ever seen. i havent seen a palm tree since i was 10 and my wife hadnt ever seen one. how about orange trees i like phoenix stayed with some friends from portland in a trailer court at apache junction. dale .

From : tbone

hi when i bought the truck it was that way only had it a year mike .

From : yonzie

whatever the deal i just see no point in playing his game. and yet once again here you are. whats the matter guy did i hurt your feelings well be a man for a change and get over it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. cool. thats about 1/2 of what i pay but i am insuring two cars and took a rather high maximum. in todays world it doesnt pay to take chances and yes it does pay to be a good driver. i remember when i was just 21 and bought my first new car i was paying roughly 1/12th the premium that a good friend was paying for a similar car. i was paying $285 / year for my 68 road runner insured with state farm. but that was before no-fault and mandatory insurance . . . and he was a lousy driver. mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. times are different now budd. everybody wants to sue for everything. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. and if they decided to sue you for it you could lose everything without insurance and if you cause damage to someones property you should pay for it. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones do you want to pay the tax increases to allow them to do that i dont. even good drivers have accidents and to think differently shows true ignorance. the thing is budd mandatory insurance exists to protect the good drivers and everyone else from the bad ones. only because you cant accept the decision of the majority. i did accept it budd he won and there is no question about that and im going to get behind him just like the right got behind clinton. lol clinton was a fine example of kerrys idea of treating terrorists like a nuisance first wtc bombing. i wouldnt laugh considering the most people died from a terrorist attack on bushs watch. i guess he was more worried about tax cuts for the wealthy than protecting the country. ill just have to set up a filter for your keywords and if that dont work killfile you. no you wont. we didnt killfile each other when we were treating the other one like shit so i doubt that either on of us will do it now that we are hopefully past that. face it budd we are both just too curious to hear what the other person has to say and at times we both just like to argue. tom you continue to make stupid stupid stupid assumptions. as long as you seek to divide the country then we can never be past anything as long as you think others like to argue like you do even to the point of destroying your credibility then you assume wrongly. oh well i see that the childish attitude has returned. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

just before colorado went to mandatory insurance i was paying $65 every six months for insurance on our 68 fury iii. afterwards same company & car it went to $15 / month over the next six months no claims either and has never been that low since. yeah no-fault has saved me so-o-o-o-o much. not!!!! imho the government of canada should be paying the whole bill for your insurance if theyre going to supply it and/or mandate it. i believer it should be the same here. -- budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. tom im an example of a reason why it can never be 100% accurate. for the first 15 years or so of my current marriage i never bought on credit. nothing not cars not housing no credit cards. my credit listing as slow which meant inactive more than anything. why it was my choice to not use any credit for purchases and to allow my credit to recover from my exs misuse of it. i know i was not alone then and im sure there are people today that dont use credit. for a long time i didnt use credit cards either. i saw too many of my friends bury themselves in credit card dept and always believed not to buy something that you didnt already have the money for with the exception of a house. i still believe that but now use my credit cards for everything i buy and zero balance the cards every month. the point is that it is more than just your initial rating that is used it is your history as well. if you never use credit then it will not help you but will not hurt you either because you have no history. if you use credit and always carry an excessive balance of miss many payments it shows that you tend to be irresponsible and may increase your risk and costs. imho it should not be used to determine insurance rates. my insurance agent said that they have a time delay to give them time to research your dmv history not your credit rating. lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. here in saskatchewan sgi sask government insurance is giving discounts if you have a clean record. i think they knock off 10 or 15% off your plates. dale .

From : max340

lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. cool. thats about 1/2 of what i pay but i am insuring two cars and took a rather high maximum. in todays world it doesnt pay to take chances and yes it does pay to be a good driver. i remember when i was just 21 and bought my first new car i was paying roughly 1/12th the premium that a good friend was paying for a similar car. i was paying $285 / year for my 68 road runner insured with state farm. but that was before no-fault and mandatory insurance . . . and he was a lousy driver. mandatory insurance can be a pita but if you own anything you need it anyway. do you really my folks never had car insurance and the worst accident and only accident we ever had hitting a steer at 30 mph in la junta co in a 56 plymouth wagon was covered by the cattle haulers insurance 7 steers escaped from a stock trailer. it totaled the car but no injuries. ive had a grand total of 5 accidents in my 35+ years of driving. only one could be considered my fault at all black ice and bald taxicab tires. if insurance is to be mandatory then let the government pay for it. why penalize good drivers for the stupidity of lousy ones only because you cant accept the decision of the majority. i did accept it budd he won and there is no question about that and im going to get behind him just like the right got behind clinton. lol clinton was a fine example of kerrys idea of treating terrorists like a nuisance first wtc bombing. ill just have to set up a filter for your keywords and if that dont work killfile you. no you wont. we didnt killfile each other when we were treating the other one like shit so i doubt that either on of us will do it now that we are hopefully past that. face it budd we are both just too curious to hear what the other person has to say and at times we both just like to argue. tom you continue to make stupid stupid stupid assumptions. as long as you seek to divide the country then we can never be past anything as long as you think others like to argue like you do even to the point of destroying your credibility then you assume wrongly. budd i dont care if you did vote i dont want to hear your whiny sniveling childish crying over it. .

From : hodad

hodad wrote i crawled under my 03 1500 qc 4.7 to do an oil change and found anti-freeze all along the bottom and side of the radiator cowling. i traced it up to the blowoff tube coming from the overflow tank that sits atop the radiator. the cap is actually on the overflow tank. when i squeeze the upper hose you can hear air coming out the blowoff tube. no pressure in the hose after shutting the engine down hot. checked the cap and the rubber seal is warped and bubbly on one side. ive got just over 8000 miles on the truck now. i know a cap is cheap and this is petty but should the dealer replace it just starting to wonder what other cheap outsourced parts are gonna fail next! hd its under warrenty so the dealer should pay for it. cap failaures seem to be pretty uncommon so i would get a new one from the dealership. if it worries you get one from a local parts store. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : greg surratt

yes. then it would be an invasion of privacy so yes i would wouldnt you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving then you will oppose it right hd the minute that it does it is no longer a black box. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving a black box cant let bb watch you either. at least not yet....... hd .

From : tbone

on 09 nov 2004 031148 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote yeah i snipped some stuff it has no tracking abilities wrong. particularly with onstar it easily tracks the vehicle. in addition there was rumor that obd3 would actually phone in if something was screwed up on the engine management. the problem i have with onstar is that it is a subscription service. if you dont want the damned thing dont pay for it. i wonder how many times onstar has reported speeders to local authorities just because they could who else besides the gm onstar currently transmits data without a local physical connection storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system nor is it of the black box note the 5 second memory span. unless a specific event occurs the black box wont remember anything at least so they say..... and that specific event is the worst deceleration incident youve had in the last 250 start cycles that exceeded dropping more than 30 mph in a given amount of time delta v. iow it records 5 seconds worth of your worst panic stop in the last 60 days or so. greg .

From : tbone

wlsjd.52281$hr3.2018096@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. horseshit. the black box performs the same functions recording speed distance direction just as a gps would. lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. it has no tracking abilities and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i would like to look into a white box dale that would be the first aid kit - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : theguy

unknown@unknownspam.com wrote budd cochran wrote my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. my last accident was around 1982. fender bender that was ruled no fault. i was backing up which is why technically it was my fault. but the other driver was doing about 40mph in a parking lot so they ruled it no fault. they should of charged the other driver isnt 40 alittle too fast in a parking lot dale .

From : yonzie

cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. tom im an example of a reason why it can never be 100% accurate. for the first 15 years or so of my current marriage i never bought on credit. nothing not cars not housing no credit cards. my credit listing as slow which meant inactive more than anything. why it was my choice to not use any credit for purchases and to allow my credit to recover from my exs misuse of it. i know i was not alone then and im sure there are people today that dont use credit. for a long time i didnt use credit cards either. i saw too many of my friends bury themselves in credit card dept and always believed not to buy something that you didnt already have the money for with the exception of a house. i still believe that but now use my credit cards for everything i buy and zero balance the cards every month. the point is that it is more than just your initial rating that is used it is your history as well. if you never use credit then it will not help you but will not hurt you either because you have no history. if you use credit and always carry an excessive balance of miss many payments it shows that you tend to be irresponsible and may increase your risk and costs. imho it should not be used to determine insurance rates. my insurance agent said that they have a time delay to give them time to research your dmv history not your credit rating. lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. here in saskatchewan sgi sask government insurance is giving discounts if you have a clean record. i think they knock off 10 or 15% off your plates. dale .

From : tbone

on 09 nov 2004 055240 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote ok so it records speed distance direction just like a gps would. only if it were hooked up to a gps and who says the gps does duh. ever used gps how about just read about it do you like digging holes for yourself wtf are you really this idiotic as miles stated gps tracks all pertinant info on your trip so you can backtrack. thats what gps is for. hi max. just my 2 cents worth on this. tom doesnt care what the subject is. tom only posts here because he loves the attention and response that he gets. responding to him is really only feeding fuel to his fire. he loves it. as to why he does this well one could only guess. maybe he is one of those people that really dont have a life. or he may need attention so bad that even bad attention is better than no attention. or who knows he may actually be that stupid! whatever the deal ijust see no point in playing his game. .

From : max340

then it would be an invasion of privacy so yes i would wouldnt you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving then you will oppose it right hd the minute that it does it is no longer a black box. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving a black box cant let bb watch you either. at least not yet....... hd .

From : hodad

tbone wrote a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. the fact that you cant drive at the speed limit shows that you are not deserving of the discount that they offer anyway so no harm no foul. youve never driven on california highways have you if you drive the speed limit youre gonna get run off the road or shot. i have....and those people are idiots.... .

From : yonzie

ok so it records speed distance direction just like a gps would. only if it were hooked up to a gps and who says the gps does duh. ever used gps how about just read about it do you like digging holes for yourself wtf are you really this idiotic as miles stated gps tracks all pertinant info on your trip so you can backtrack. thats what gps is for. lol wrong again. first of all that was jerry not miles. second he was talking about a hand held unit which like many gps units is a combination unit designed for a specific purpose. sorry maxi but the only real purpose of a gps is to determine where you are in a specific point in time. everything else are just features working with the gps to provide useful information such as the addition of a data recorder to jerrys hand held to keep track of where he was. but neither onstar or odb3 is a black box. a black box is just slang for a data recorder. care to try again try what again getting facts into your head you claim the data recorder is a different animal than a gps yet it does the same damn thing a gps does. lol can you dig any deeper. they are in no way the same thing. a black box is a data recorder it holds information and does nothing with it no processing capabilities. a gps receives information and processes it for a purpose to determine your current location at some point in time. great so it records speed distance direction.... where would it get this information especially the direction um its obviously in communication with the pcm which has all the sensors needed. again a really stupid question on your part. but the gps doesnt need the pcm at all. i guess that they are not exactly the same thing after all. btw not all vehicles have an electronic compass or gps so how would that black box know the direction then yup and the black box transmits its data on demand to the proper authorities. lol then it wouldnt be a black box. another contradiction on your part since youve already claimed it could be downloaded. downloaded and transmitted are not the same thing. something has to be connected to the black box to download its information. in your example it is whats connected to the bb that you need to be worried about. event occurs the black box wont remember anything at least so they say..... then bb cant use it to keep an eye on you so what exactly is your point since youve missed it the point is all the equipment is already on board that makes the car able to be traced and able to communicate. its a simple matter to make the black box capable of reporting on your activities. lol but as you said the black box is only capable of storing a few seconds or even minutes of your activities and without a gps it would have no idea where you are or were so how could you trace it and what value would the information be anyway now if you also had a gps the black box could store that info as well but you could get the data directly from the gps and in real time so ill ask again what is your point then the traffic would slow down just like it does around a state trooper when they are on the road. since most troopers ive encountered on the road are already doing 80mph and passing me they are not a deterrent to speeding nor do they slow traffic. lol even if they are doing 80 that still slows the traffic down from 85 and most of the ones that i see are going within 10 mph of the limit. i liked your little spot of perfect world theory though. funny you actually think more than one person would start driving the speed limit never said that. what i said is that if you exceed the limit and get into an accident you deserve to get screwed for it. either way if you are doing 20 or in your case 30 over the limit and get into an accident you should get the book thrown at you. regardless of whether or not driving the limit is a hazard fortunately the courts dont see it that way. really care to back that one up and remember we are talking about accidents. i did no such thing. if everyone is going 85 then everyon is breaking the law and if one of you gets into an accident while doing it you deserve to get screwed for it. thats called discrimination. hahahahahahahahahahahahaha you almost made ne spill my coffee with that one. you claim on one hand that its less hazardous when all travel at the same speed regardless of that speed. i dont recall ever saying regardless of any speed everyone driving at the same speed tends to be safer because it stops people from doing stupid maneuvers or rearending the car in front of them but as the speed increases it becomes more dangerous for all of them. if someone screws up or has some type of failure such as a blowout you have no time or room to react and the damage increases considerably. on the other hand you claim any one of those should get the book thrown

From : yonzie

wlsjd.52281$hr3.2018096@twister.southeast.rr.com tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. horseshit. the black box performs the same functions recording speed distance direction just as a gps would. lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. it has no tracking abilities and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. i would like to look into a white box dale .

From : yonzie

cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote lol dont drink my friend but id be glad to make it a soda. we were down to visit my son thats going to school at hti on indian school road and pick up the gateway computer i gave him. the power supply went out and of course theres none in stock. hes getting a better graphics computer from hti when they phase out their old machines anyway. im not big on big towns but phoenix is one of the prettiest ive ever seen. i havent seen a palm tree since i was 10 and my wife hadnt ever seen one. how about orange trees i like phoenix stayed with some friends from portland in a trailer court at apache junction. dale .

From : nosey

on mon 08 nov 2004 151113 -0500 chacho mstowinc@aol.com wrote hi i have a 87 dodge d350 flatbed tow truck with a 360 4bbl rochester that burns a lot of gas 86 miles it burns a half of a tank does anyone know what could be wrong also has manual trans thanks in advance mike has this problem just started or has it been getting gradually worse gas mileage over time .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

but neither onstar or odb3 is a black box. a black box is just slang for a data recorder. care to try again to add to the confusion these black boxes arent black in color they are orange. they got the name black box only because they were often exposed to fire before crash investigators got to them. perhaps blackened box would be more appropriate. .

From : jerry

the minute that it does it is no longer a black box. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving a black box cant let bb watch you either. at least not yet....... hd .

From : max340

ok so it records speed distance direction just like a gps would. only if it were hooked up to a gps and who says the gps does duh. ever used gps how about just read about it do you like digging holes for yourself wtf are you really this idiotic as miles stated gps tracks all pertinant info on your trip so you can backtrack. thats what gps is for. but neither onstar or odb3 is a black box. a black box is just slang for a data recorder. care to try again try what again getting facts into your head you claim the data recorder is a different animal than a gps yet it does the same damn thing a gps does. great so it records speed distance direction.... where would it get this information especially the direction um its obviously in communication with the pcm which has all the sensors needed. again a really stupid question on your part. yup and the black box transmits its data on demand to the proper authorities. lol then it wouldnt be a black box. another contradiction on your part since youve already claimed it could be downloaded. event occurs the black box wont remember anything at least so they say..... then bb cant use it to keep an eye on you so what exactly is your point since youve missed it the point is all the equipment is already on board that makes the car able to be traced and able to communicate. its a simple matter to make the black box capable of reporting on your activities. then the traffic would slow down just like it does around a state trooper when they are on the road. since most troopers ive encountered on the road are already doing 80mph and passing me they are not a deterrent to speeding nor do they slow traffic. i liked your little spot of perfect world theory though. funny you actually think more than one person would start driving the speed limit either way if you are doing 20 or in your case 30 over the limit and get into an accident you should get the book thrown at you. regardless of whether or not driving the limit is a hazard fortunately the courts dont see it that way. i did no such thing. if everyone is going 85 then everyon is breaking the law and if one of you gets into an accident while doing it you deserve to get screwed for it. thats called discrimination. you claim on one hand that its less hazardous when all travel at the same speed regardless of that speed. on the other hand you claim any one of those should get the book thrown at them for doing what you claim is the safer thing to do. flip flop. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

probably just the speeding and i doubt that they have the resources to do that either. boy are you dumb. facts maxi lets see some facts. fact rental car companies in the ne had been charging extra fees on return of the car if they detected a top speed recorded of over the state limit. this continued until someone sued over the privacy issue. fact if onstar has the resources to find you talk to you unlock the car know that conditions were such that airbags were or could have been ask the road test crew that had to convince onstar they hadnt flipped the corvette test mule deployed then the resources exist to find out how fast you were going. it will cost the government yep. pray tell how government writes a reg and the automakers pass the cost to the consumer. sounds very true. sounds like you are pulling a flip flop on your stand about big business. i was talking about the government spinmaster but you knew that. funny you keep mentioning the insurance companies thats big business. but had to pay for and defending my family from a couple of ignorant fools lol yea right. i dont care if ya believe me. yet i have no accidents and no points on my license. my credit rating has nothing to do with my driving skill. what part of tend to be didnt you understand maxi. sounds like tend to be is your misunderstanding. you claim they use it in setting rates so there is no tendancy there its always done. however insurance companies use statistics extensively not tendancies. so either the insurance companies use the credit rating which has nothing to do with the driving record which you claim otherwise or they go by the numbers and dont use the credit rating while you claim they do. wanna know why they really use the credit rating it has nothing to do with driving skill or responsibility as you claim. it has to do with the ability to pay the rates as based on the risk. if the insurance company believes that you do not have the resources to pay the premium regardless of how they determined the premium they will tack on a bit extra to protect themselves in the event that you dont pay. credit rating has nothing to do with driving record even to the insurance companies. credit rating is what it is a determination of the individuals ability to pay for a service be it insurance a car loan or a mortgage. now as i said before you ought to bring facts not some bullshit about how a driver can be rated in ability by his credit. the problem is that there terrible driving tends to cause other people to get into accidents but the insurnce companies have no way of knowing this. yeah and you are all over the proof of this. really has nothing to do with a black box anyway since its data will never be seen unless the vehicle is in an accident. ya think yep. because otherwise the data would be meaningless. unless they can read it while it streams.....you still havent proven that they cannot. thats what they say but then onstar knows where you are doesnt it onstar is not a black box spinmaster. if anything it is a combination gps and communications device. and it lives right next to the black box. so how do you know the two arent communicating max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : miles

in a 55 and you didnt hit the brake or perfrom any avoidance manouvers. what do you think is going to happen to your damage claim any cell phone can be used as a quasi-tracking device as long as its on. anybody with the right equipment can tell the general area youre in. so mine is generall turned off. as far as gps why not its differant technology but i dont see why you couldnt put the two together in one small box. and i can see a lot of usefull applications for this cops lineman forest rangers. but im a private citizen - very private. its nobodys business where im at except my own. i dont want to be tracked or monitored or checked up on. we can talk a lot about safety and law breakers and smog control and all that crap. but have we learned nothing over the last few years think of what the fbi has been up to. and dont forget the denver pd. and what small town pd was using technology to look through house walls and monitor the citizenry without their knowledge they were looking for illegal activity. i love the new mustang and would consider purchasing an svo when theyre available. but if theres a monitoring box in it im not interested. i didnt spend most of my adult life defending our freedoms just to give them away to some insurance company. and yes im a little bit radical. i want the government and all its minions to stay out of my home and out of my car. umm...first of all ford was one of the first to use the recorders.. chryslers has used them for years..why do you think we used to laugh at the guys that asked how to disconnect the speedo sensors as far as private....lol....you are on the internet right privacys gone..... -- .bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project . 222 293054 10p0jnl3cqpt08@corp.super.com then you will oppose it right hd the minute that it does it is no longer a black box. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving a black box cant let bb watch you either. at least not yet....... hd .

From : tbone

any chance somebody filled it with diesel fuel by mistake dont laugh i see it all the time in the shop that would make white smoke in a gasser.... on tue 26 oct 2004 094505 -0500 cheekspro@webtv.net mike cheek wrote it doesnt have egr ....all plugs are black....any suggestions...this is my last chance....sorry to post so much....thanks mike please remove dontspam for e-mail reply .

From : tbone

tbone wrote a black box cant let bb watch you either. you have to connect to it to get any data and even then unless you have a need for the specific data it holds at the specific time its meaningless data anyway. it is my car. i do not want anyone putting anything into my car to monitor what i do. your key word here is need. if it does not provide a need to me then get it out of my car. .

From : tbone

lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. ok so it records speed distance direction just like a gps would. only if it were hooked up to a gps and who says the gps does it has no tracking abilities wrong. particularly with onstar it easily tracks the vehicle. in addition there was rumor that obd3 would actually phone in if something was screwed up on the engine management. but neither onstar or odb3 is a black box. a black box is just slang for a data recorder. care to try again and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. great so it records speed distance direction.... where would it get this information especially the direction gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. yup and the black box transmits its data on demand to the proper authorities. lol then it wouldnt be a black box. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system nor is it of the black box note the 5 second memory span. unless a specific event occurs the black box wont remember anything at least so they say..... then bb cant use it to keep an eye on you so what exactly is your point just because everybody does it doesnt make it right. ordinarily id agree but in this case being a hazard at 55mph in 85mph traffic is a certain way to get someone killed. thus going the same speed as traffic is right no matter what the ethics of breaking the law are. now you are arguing about the correctness of group mentality. if only one person followed the law then it would be dangerous but if enough did then the traffic would slow down just like it does around a state trooper when they are on the road. either way if you are doing 20 or in your case 30 over the limit and get into an accident you should get the book thrown at you. you are also talking about highway speeds where it is usually safer to drive at traffic speed rather than the limit. ok.... either way if you get into an accident going 85 in a 65 then you do deserve to get screwed for it so youve contradicted yourself again. i did no such thing. if everyone is going 85 then everyon is breaking the law and if one of you gets into an accident while doing it you deserve to get screwed for it. in this case you should follow your own advice. better go back and look at the facts you have. now that should be you again minus the spin. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max340

probably just the speeding and i doubt that they have the resources to do that either. boy are you dumb. facts maxi lets see some facts. i agree that the big companies are looking at the $$$$ but doing this will cost the government not make it money. it will cost the government yep. bs. the govt minions and big corporations dont give a rats behind about you your children or your safety. they care about money. that sounds a bit paranoid dude. sounds very true. sounds like you are pulling a flip flop on your stand about big business. i was talking about the government spinmaster but you knew that. yea and that is big business and the republican party protecting it but this has little to do with black boxes. ahahahahahahahahahahlololololololololololol...... i know its doomas not dumbass. i would agree but we are the ones that put them there. really you voted for them another flip flop who can keep track really...... we as in the american people dumbass. people with lower credit ratings tend to be less responsible in life and that tends to reflect on their driving as well which makes them a greater risk. horseshit. my credit was junk because of student loans a house i didnt buy but had to pay for and defending my family from a couple of ignorant fools lol yea right. yet i have no accidents and no points on my license. my credit rating has nothing to do with my driving skill. what part of tend to be didnt you understand maxi. while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. no its a method for big companies to make money by finding a false justification for higher rates. you should know this being as anti big business as you are.... or are you lol i would agree but they dont really need justification now do they if they want to raise rates they put in a request to the state and almost always get it. after all insurance companies are in business to make money and why should i pay more for other irresponsible drivers. you shouldnt. believing that you do is proof that the people with the bad records truly do not pay their share. maybe because they have a good credit rating lol. sorry maxi but some of the worse drivers that i know have clean records. the problem is that there terrible driving tends to cause other people to get into accidents but the insurnce companies have no way of knowing this. this really has nothing to do with a black box anyway since its data will never be seen unless the vehicle is in an accident. ya think yep. because otherwise the data would be meaningless. of course i do and so should you. the black box gives no information unless you connect something to it thats what they say but then onstar knows where you are doesnt it onstar is not a black box spinmaster. if anything it is a combination gps and communications device. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max340

probably just the speeding and i doubt that they have the resources to do that either. boy are you dumb. i agree that the big companies are looking at the $$$$ but doing this will cost the government not make it money. it will cost the government bs. the govt minions and big corporations dont give a rats behind about you your children or your safety. they care about money. that sounds a bit paranoid dude. sounds very true. sounds like you are pulling a flip flop on your stand about big business. yea and that is big business and the republican party protecting it but this has little to do with black boxes. ahahahahahahahahahahlololololololololololol...... i know its doomas not dumbass. i would agree but we are the ones that put them there. really you voted for them another flip flop who can keep track really...... people with lower credit ratings tend to be less responsible in life and that tends to reflect on their driving as well which makes them a greater risk. horseshit. my credit was junk because of student loans a house i didnt buy but had to pay for and defending my family from a couple of ignorant fools yet i have no accidents and no points on my license. my credit rating has nothing to do with my driving skill. while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. no its a method for big companies to make money by finding a false justification for higher rates. you should know this being as anti big business as you are.... or are you after all insurance companies are in business to make money and why should i pay more for other irresponsible drivers. you shouldnt. believing that you do is proof that the people with the bad records truly do not pay their share. maybe because they have a good credit rating this really has nothing to do with a black box anyway since its data will never be seen unless the vehicle is in an accident. ya think of course i do and so should you. the black box gives no information unless you connect something to it thats what they say but then onstar knows where you are doesnt it max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : hodad

lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. ok so it records speed distance direction just like a gps would. it has no tracking abilities wrong. particularly with onstar it easily tracks the vehicle. in addition there was rumor that obd3 would actually phone in if something was screwed up on the engine management. and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. great so it records speed distance direction.... gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. yup and the black box transmits its data on demand to the proper authorities. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system nor is it of the black box note the 5 second memory span. unless a specific event occurs the black box wont remember anything at least so they say..... just because everybody does it doesnt make it right. ordinarily id agree but in this case being a hazard at 55mph in 85mph traffic is a certain way to get someone killed. thus going the same speed as traffic is right no matter what the ethics of breaking the law are. you are also talking about highway speeds where it is usually safer to drive at traffic speed rather than the limit. ok.... either way if you get into an accident going 85 in a 65 then you do deserve to get screwed for it so youve contradicted yourself again. in this case you should follow your own advice. better go back and look at the facts you have. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : tbone

hattmakr@aol.comnospam hattmakr writes it depends on how bad you want it and how bad they want to see it gone. oct 03 i bought a fully loaded 03 2wd 3500 drw laramie for $29k. sticker was $42800. they knew up front i was not looking for a doolie and that my 99 suited me fine. they had 2 drws left on the lot both were 2wd. hard to sell. most folks want 4wd. iirc they were the only two cummins they had left. long story short 3/36 b to b 7/70 drivetrain 5/100 cummins and four years free oil changes....all at no charge. after the trade was figured in the bottom line owed on the truck was just over 15k. one of the best deals ive ever made. good luck with yours. walk into any dealership at the right time of the month with the right combination of incentives in place and the dealer maybe only 1 or 2 sales shy of meeting a major bonus threshold for the quarter thats about to end in 4 hours and you can pretty much write your own deal on anything in stock. its all about timing; being at the right place at the right time. .

From : miles

i crawled under my 03 1500 qc 4.7 to do an oil change and found anti-freeze all along the bottom and side of the radiator cowling. i traced it up to the blowoff tube coming from the overflow tank that sits atop the radiator. the cap is actually on the overflow tank. when i squeeze the upper hose you can hear air coming out the blowoff tube. no pressure in the hose after shutting the engine down hot. checked the cap and the rubber seal is warped and bubbly on one side. ive got just over 8000 miles on the truck now. i know a cap is cheap and this is petty but should the dealer replace it just starting to wonder what other cheap outsourced parts are gonna fail next! hd .

From : tbone

my girl friend sent me this item. since im ex-firefighter..i can relate to this stories. one dark night outside a small town in minnesota a fire started inside the local chemical plant and in a blink it exploded into massive flames. the alarm went out to all the fire departments from miles around. when the volunteer fire fighters appeared on the scene the chemical company president rushed to the fire chief and said all of our secret formulas are in the vault in the center of the plant. t hey must be saved and i will give $50000 to the fire department that brings them out intact. but the roaring flames held the firefighters off. soon more fire departments had to be called in as the situation became desperate. as the firemen arrived the president shouted out that the offer was now $100000 to the fire department who could bring out the companys secret files. from the distance a lone siren was heard as another fire truck came into sight. it was the nearby norwegian rural township volunteer fire company composed mainly of norwegians over the age of 65. to everyones amazement the little run-down fire engine operated by these norwegians passed all the newer sleek engines parked outside the plant.....and drove straight into the middle of the inferno. outside the other firemen watched as the norwegian old timers jumped off and began to fight the fire with a performance and effort never seen before. within a short time the norse old timers had extinguished the fire and saved the secret formulas. the grateful chemical company president joyfully announced that for such a superhuman feat he was upping the reward to $200000 and walked over to personally thank each of the brave though elderly norse firefighters. the local tv reporters rushed in after capturing the event on film asking what are you going to do with all that money vell said ole larsen the 70-year-old fire chief da furst ting ve gonna do is fix dabrakes on dat focking truck....! .

From : budd cochran

interesting idea...ill listen more carefully with that in mind. i just get worried when hearing about dodge tranny probs. ben .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote miles you live in phoenix i was down there over the weekend. yep. live in far north phoenix. down for nascar next time youre this way gimme a hollar and you can buy me a beer. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote no they are just the ones people are most afraid of . not my problem they buy puny tin can cars to put their families into. no way am i going to do so with mine. what scares me the most around here is teenagers and their sports cars. i dread driving by the highschools or worse the universities. dangerous place to drive. .

From : tbone

lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. cool. thats about 1/2 of what i pay but i am insuring two cars and took a rather high maximum. in todays world it doesnt pay to take chances and yes it does pay to be a good driver. i remember when i was just 21 and bought my first new car i was paying roughly 1/12th the premium that a good friend was paying for a similar car. i was paying $285 / year for my 68 road runner insured with state farm. but that was before no-fault and mandatory insurance . . . and he was a lousy driver. -- budd its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. just for you tom. dont you feel special yep but you are gonna hear it for the next four years anyway - only because you cant accept the decision of the majority. ill just have to set up a filter for your keywords and if that dont work killfile you. -- budd .

From : miles

sawers wrote does anyone tow on just the rear fender of the ram 1500 the manual says its a class three hitch. i used to drive a 95 ram 1500. i towed a u-haul car hauler with a 66 mustang from ma to co. not problems at all except you couldnt lower the tail gate. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : tbone

tbone wrote a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. the fact that you cant drive at the speed limit shows that you are not deserving of the discount that they offer anyway so no harm no foul. youve never driven on california highways have you if you drive the speed limit youre gonna get run off the road or shot. then i guess that would be another reason for gun control huh miles. california is on the opposite side of the country but yes i have driven on its roads a few times. they are really no worse than jersey except for the gun issue i guess its a costal thing. either way you shouldnt get the highest insurance discount if you are a contributor to the problem. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

a gps is a completely different animal from a black box. horseshit. the black box performs the same functions recording speed distance direction just as a gps would. lol wrong! a black box is a data recorder and nothing more. it has no tracking abilities and only stores the data fed to it from whatever external sensors are connected to it for a fixed period of time. gps is an interactive transceiver and can both determine and transmit current location direction and speed by transmitting and receiving signals from the gps satellites. storing data for long term retrieval is not a requirement of any gps system perhaps you should look into a black box before embarrassing yourself again. the fact that you cant drive at the speed limit shows that you are not deserving of the discount that they offer anyway so no harm no foul. no one drives the speed limit in my experience. lol then you should come to nc for a while. these people are as slow as hell and drive in any lane at any speed. they are worse that pa drivers. those that do quickly realize they are in peril doing so. ive driven in dc baltimore philly harrisburg scranton w-b wilmington etc. more than once and none of those cities enforce the limit let alone have people driving it. i was coming out of dc doing 85mph in bumper to bumper traffic a cop with radar was very obviously clocking all of us i saw no one pulled over. i regularly drive at 75mph on pa interstates and despite our former gov. emphasizing strict enforcement of 65mph the troopers still dont write tickets until 76mph and most of the time will worry more about erratic driving then simply speeding. in philly rush hour doing the speed limit would be unheard of simply because the surekill crawlway lives up to its nickname and moves at less than the posted limit almost constantly. just because everybody does it doesnt make it right. you are also talking about highway speeds where it is usually safer to drive at traffic speed rather than the limit. i would bet that the insurance companies are concerned with excessive speed like your 85 mph stuff or speeding in the towns and city where it is far more dangerous. either way if you get into an accident going 85 in a 65 then you do deserve to get screwed for it if you survive it. got facts in this case you should follow your own advice. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. tom im an example of a reason why it can never be 100% accurate. for the first 15 years or so of my current marriage i never bought on credit. nothing not cars not housing no credit cards. my credit listing as slow which meant inactive more than anything. why it was my choice to not use any credit for purchases and to allow my credit to recover from my exs misuse of it. i know i was not alone then and im sure there are people today that dont use credit. for a long time i didnt use credit cards either. i saw too many of my friends bury themselves in credit card dept and always believed not to buy something that you didnt already have the money for with the exception of a house. i still believe that but now use my credit cards for everything i buy and zero balance the cards every month. the point is that it is more than just your initial rating that is used it is your history as well. if you never use credit then it will not help you but will not hurt you either because you have no history. if you use credit and always carry an excessive balance of miss many payments it shows that you tend to be irresponsible and may increase your risk and costs. imho it should not be used to determine insurance rates. my insurance agent said that they have a time delay to give them time to research your dmv history not your credit rating. lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. cool. thats about 1/2 of what i pay but i am insuring two cars and took a rather high maximum. in todays world it doesnt pay to take chances and yes it does pay to be a good driver. -- budd its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. just for you tom. dont you feel special yep but you are gonna hear it for the next four years anyway - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

on 08 nov 2004 133902 gmt jbsummer@aol.com jbsummer wrote dodge is offering finance incentives or a rebate but they are also offering good incentives and rebates on 05s. a 2004 ram 3500 diesel dually still new on the dealers front row has caught my eye. in your opinion how much - % or $$$ - would you ask off the list or invoice price of an existing 2004 at a local dealership thanks. jim last feb i signed a factory order for a 2004 ram 2500 hemi for $100 over invoice after the rebate had been subtracted. in july my wife bought a 2004 subaru forester for $400 under invoice so they cut into their holdback. i know neither of the above is a 3500 diesel dually. but my opinion is that for a 2004 you should work downward from invoice after rebates when deciding on what to offer. their holdback is about 3 percent of the list price. you should be able to work down partway into that on a 2004 leftover. woody; 95fxds .

From : greg surratt

sounds like you need a good carb rebuild and a tune up but youre mileage also depends on load terrain and drivers skills. -- budd if it wasnt important enough for you to take time to vote then its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. hi i have a 87 dodge d350 flatbed tow truck with a 360 4bbl rochester that burns a lot of gas 86 miles it burns a half of a tank does anyone know what could be wrong also has manual trans thanks in advance mike .

From : trey

on mon 08 nov 2004 115704 -0500 mrkd1 mrkd1@yahoo.com wrote is there any thing you can adjust on a 98 q/c auto to get the reverse lights to work without holding the shifter lever in reverse up high towards park to get them on.if you hold it in certain spot they work fine just a pain. hang a pair of floodlights on the rear bumper with a toggle switch on the dash could come in handy for those idiots with the mis-aimed fog lights behind you too. evil grin .

From : miles

guys the trailer is a goose neck and the truck has the goose neck attachment in the bed which i would think put more weight on the rear wheels. these were spinning nicely. really couldnt see what was slipping on the front. also the truck has the original michelin tires with 43000 miles. john john a reichert wrote is there a option to lock both front wheels to pull when the 4 wheel drive is engaged i have a 4x4 diesel and have trouble with traction going up grades over dirt grass etc. in very wet conditions. this is a big problem when i pull a horse trailer. thanks for comments. john http//www.powertrax.com/ i didnt see dodge on the list but there are electric alternatives to the arb http//www.drivetrain.com/eatonelecposi.html .

From : miles

on mon 08 nov 2004 115704 -0500 mrkd1 mrkd1@yahoo.com wrote is there any thing you can adjust on a 98 q/c auto to get the reverse lights to work without holding the shifter lever in reverse up high towards park to get them on.if you hold it in certain spot they work fine just a pain. i have a very similar problem with my 98 q/c auto sport. i have to jiggle the shifter to get the reverse lights to come on. over time they stopped working all together. even jiggling the shifter hasnt had an effect. also cruise control button on steering wheel only works with the steering wheel at a certain angle. i sometimes have to tilt the wheel. up or down to be able to press the cruis control button and have the cruise control power on. im thinking its a short in the steering column. but as of yet ive been unable to solve this problem. .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. my last accident was around 1982. fender bender that was ruled no fault. i was backing up which is why technically it was my fault. but the other driver was doing about 40mph in a parking lot so they ruled it no fault. .

From : miles

while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. tom im an example of a reason why it can never be 100% accurate. for the first 15 years or so of my current marriage i never bought on credit. nothing not cars not housing no credit cards. my credit listing as slow which meant inactive more than anything. why it was my choice to not use any credit for purchases and to allow my credit to recover from my exs misuse of it. i know i was not alone then and im sure there are people today that dont use credit. for a long time i didnt use credit cards either. i saw too many of my friends bury themselves in credit card dept and always believed not to buy something that you didnt already have the money for with the exception of a house. i still believe that but now use my credit cards for everything i buy and zero balance the cards every month. the point is that it is more than just your initial rating that is used it is your history as well. if you never use credit then it will not help you but will not hurt you either because you have no history. if you use credit and always carry an excessive balance of miss many payments it shows that you tend to be irresponsible and may increase your risk and costs. imho it should not be used to determine insurance rates. my insurance agent said that they have a time delay to give them time to research your dmv history not your credit rating. lol my agent for progressive asked when my last accident was1981 and i was rear ended at a stop light and said really thats longer than anyone else we insure. and quoted $35 / mo for pd pl on the d-150.yep it still pays to be a good driver. it stayed the same for the lebaron. -- budd its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. just for you tom. dont you feel special .

From : miles

trey wrote no pretty much everything on the freeway is speeding. but i have already gotten an suv in my back side already. shit even the school busses are at least ten over the speed limit. well ive had a kids sports car into mine. also an suv is the only car i have seen up side down in the middle of the freeway. i have seen cars loose control and they just spin out straighten out and continue on their way. i pass accidents every few days driving to work. the majority are smaller cars plowed into the center median or another car. suvs are only dangerous when the person behind them hasnt a clue and drives them as if they were a sports car. case in point is driving north on i-17 towards flagstaff in the winter. it is common for the highway to be completely snowpacked. 3 out of 4 vehicles slid out into the median are 4x4s being trucks suvs and mini awds. people think that with 4wd they can just drive normally on ice. its not the vehicle its the person behind the wheel. what i would like is something along the lines of the german autobahn a truly amazing motorway. dynamic traffic signs that adjust to traffic conditions. monitoring systems to give you early warnings or traffic jams. weather and traffic smart speed limits that change with the road conditions. the autobahn is well known for its spectacular high speed accidents too. .

From : tbone

yea ill bet show me. even if it were the information contained would be useless to them. what do you think that it could tell them -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote of course i do and so should you. the black box gives no information unless you connect something to it and the only reason that would be done is to see what was happening when an accident occurred. in my state and many others the vehicle is connected to the state on a yearly basis. the state inspection uses the obd port. wanna bet the the black box data is available at this port .

From : miles

tbone wrote true but we elected one as well - all politicians are losers. .

From : trey

the 9 1/4 comes with the 1500 and is the one with the bearing problems but if you are going to change the diff anyway that shouldnt be an issue for you since they should be replacing the carrier bearings. just have them swap out the pinion bearings as well when they replace the diff and you should be fine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving looking at a 04 1500 at a local dealer do these come with the chrysler 9 1/4 rear or something else this one has 4 wheel disks it doesnt come equipped with sure grip differential so this would be done soon after purchase also which rear has or had the problem of breaking. thanks. .

From : budd cochran

dodge is offering finance incentives or a rebate but they are also offering good incentives and rebates on 05s. a 2004 ram 3500 diesel dually still new on the dealers front row has caught my eye. in your opinion how much - % or $$$ - would you ask off the list or invoice price of an existing 2004 at a local dealership thanks. jim hi jim a few months ago i tested the waters on a new -04 quadcab short bed cummins 4x4. i was able to get 4k off the sticker price plus rebates... you should target that as a minimum maybe shoot for 5k + rebate. im in san diego cliff .

From : tbone

miles wrote trey wrote if you do 20 over the speed limit you will still get shot! i would not ahve a problem with going 65 on the freeway... if i knew i was not going to get rammed in the backside by an suv. suvs are the only vehicles speeding no pretty much everything on the freeway is speeding. but i have already gotten an suv in my back side already. shit even the school busses are at least ten over the speed limit. i ride a motorcycleist to work every day and its usually just fine one time i tried to be a good little motorcycles and just go the speed limit in the slow lane omg!!! it scared the shit out of me! also an suv is the only car i have seen up side down in the middle of the freeway. i have seen cars loose control and they just spin out straighten out and continue on their way. what i would like is something along the lines of the german autobahn a truly amazing motorway. dynamic traffic signs that adjust to traffic conditions. monitoring systems to give you early warnings or traffic jams. weather and traffic smart speed limits that change with the road conditions. .

From : tbone

while it is not 100% accurate it is a method to keep rates in check. tom im an example of a reason why it can never be 100% accurate. for the first 15 years or so of my current marriage i never bought on credit. nothing not cars not housing no credit cards. my credit listing as slow which meant inactive more than anything. why it was my choice to not use any credit for purchases and to allow my credit to recover from my exs misuse of it. i know i was not alone then and im sure there are people today that dont use credit. imho it should not be used to determine insurance rates. -- budd its not important to me to listen to you whine about who won or lost. .

From : max340

tbone wrote and any of this is a problem how if you drive like an asshole then you should pay the higher rates. and what exactly is the definition of that wandering from lane to lane tailgating 45 in the left lane all of the above. or would it be 60 in a 55 probably not. and which one of these actions can be easily monitored by your friendly insurance agency with the available technology probably just the speeding and i doubt that they have the resources to do that either. you need to stop looking at things so simply. the govt and big companies always say its for your own safety. my favorite is its for the children or some such drivel. what exactly do you think that it is for i agree that the big companies are looking at the $$$$ but doing this will cost the government not make it money. bs. the govt minions and big corporations dont give a rats behind about you your children or your safety. they care about money. that sounds a bit paranoid dude. they will use this technology to make money not to protect you. if you dont think thats true then youve been living in a box for the last couple of deca

From : miles

thanks for the info...... on mon 08 nov 2004 023326 gmt sawers sawers2@earthlink.net wrote does anyone tow on just the rear fender of the ram 1500 the manual says its a class three hitch. umm.. maybe you mean back bumper if youre renting a uhaul or pulling a small boat or utility trailer a good quality ball should be just fine on the bumper.. my neighbor has a 99 1500 and has a lot of miles and weekends on the truck towing a 16 boat... it handles it just fine... .

From : trey

the ignorant voted in the ignornat and how sad. i expect if you where to take a sample of all the iqs of all the people that voted you would quickly determine where you would want to focus your attention if you were going to run for the big job. this from the party that couldnt read a simple ballot if we are ignorant then what does that make them .

From : miles

on www.dodgedakotas.com they were saying its the fuel sloshing forward after you come to a stop. i got the same thing in my 04 quad w/ 4.7 art 89 plymouth ahb 82400-162423 98 xj black 35948-45398 00 xj black 33600- 04 dodge dakota 7- i cant use what i cant abuse - garbage rip #3 go! #29 #88 .

From : mac davis

now name a president who had more people vote against him than george w. bush in 2004. john kerry got more votes than anyone in the history of the country except for george w. bush. which is subjective since the country also has its highest population due to many things. point being when there are more people eligible to vote more people will vote. thus i expect that the next presidential race if it has only two major candidates will again set records for votes both for and against. then once again you would be wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : bob

on sun 7 nov 2004 130704 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote budd cochran wrote the only way a 747 can accelerate faster than a dragster is to put a small nuke under the tail and light the fuse. lets see how the dragster does when its loaded with the same weight as a 747. at the strip its common to see jet cars vs. funny cars. usually the funny car will win because the jet takes awhile to get moving out of the hole. but the jets top speed is way above the funny car at the finish. in a 1/2 mile race the jet would win every time nope by then it would by then it would have lifted off. unless of course the rabbit was drivingg roy yeah hed have heated seats too.... cept the wattage required to warm his tush would dim the lites in a medium sized town...... gotcha! ;^ #1 hey mike... at least denny knows that youre supposed to cook steaks before theyre made into seat covers... .

From : miles

tbone wrote lol yea jerry anything you say. that was a joke and btw then your sense of humor is as lame as your regular posts. i am not the one posting nothing but childish insults sure you are. you simply cant bring yourself to do anything but..... that would be you and the last one from theguy. golly i absolutely crushed as im sure theguy is also........ jerry .

From : tbone

now name a president who had more people vote against him than george w. bush in 2004. john kerry got more votes than anyone in the history of the country except for george w. bush. which is subjective since the country also has its highest population due to many things. point being when there are more people eligible to vote more people will vote. thus i expect that the next presidential race if it has only two major candidates will again set records for votes both for and against. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : budd cochran

how about we put him in coventry as a group those who really wish to see an end to tom bs rants and misinformation we simply treat him as if he does not exist. if he posts misinformation we must correct it assuredly but to the original poster not tom b. that seems like a good plan just dont rise to the bait that is sure to come.... denny .

From : max340

i would like to look into a white box theyre all pink inside..... max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : iman nassoul

is there any thing you can adjust on a 98 q/c auto to get the reverse lights to work without holding the shifter lever in reverse up high towards park to get them on.if you hold it in certain spot they work fine just a pain. .

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From : tbone

tbone wrote i agree with you but what does that have to do with a black box and the insurance companies its not the insurance companies that required their installation. it was big brother. they not only told the auto makers to put them in they also set the standards to which they adhere to such that the information is easily accessable to law enforcement. now as far as insurance goes the black boxes go way beyond what they need to know in setting rates and in claims adjustments. the boxes do not tell the circumstances of a situation yet the insurance companies will deny claims based on such information. you are the one that often advocates laws to keep corporations from taking from the people. here is an example of a law that does not served the publics interest. instead it serves the corporate world. so why are you ok with it .

From : bob

tbone wrote not really especially when you claim that people did not like kerry they just hated bush. name another president that either got more votes or got a higher % of the votes. go ahead tbone name one. bushs re-election was impressive. im not the one that made that claim. i made an observation of what people who voted for kerry said. you know the anyone but bush routine told by so many. .

From : Annonymous

i goofed when you stated brake lamp though tail lights but then realized you may have ment the stop lamp so here are those directions also. center high mounted stop lamp unit removal 1 disconnect and isolate the battery negative cable. 2 remove screws holding chmsl to roof panel fig. 4. 3 separate chmsl from roof. 4 disengage wire connector from body wire har-ness. 5 separate chmsl from vehicle. installation 1 position lamp at cab roof and connect wire connector. 2 install screws holding chmsl to roof panel. tighten securely. 3 connect the battery negative cable. on sun 07 nov 2004 102545 -0800 chauncey gardiner chaunceygardiner@removethis.myrealbox.com wrote i *really* dont want to have to pay the dealership to replace my brake light but i dont have the least idea how to get the cover/lens off. im pretty sure if i start prying on it i will break it... help thanks! -- to reply by email please edit return address as indicated. happy camping. ldpoos@nopants.juno.com remove nopants to reply by direct e-mail; 2003 dodge 1500 qc sb hemi a/t tow package 3.92 gears 11 mpg towing 2001 aerolite 21rdb 21ft tt scales 2900 dry .

From : greg o

not really especially when you claim that people did not like kerry they just hated bush. face it the reality is both were disliked equally. there is nothing to face here i agree. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

am i whining or crying about it yes. not really since that would accomplish nothing very true look at your record of accomplishments in here..... but i am still entitled to my opinion. only if its based on fact not emotional reaction and sound bites that sounded good when you heard them. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : maxpower

not really especially when you claim that people did not like kerry they just hated bush. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote 52% for a sitting president is not all that impressive how many have been higher 3.5 million popular vote margin is impressive seated or not. .

From : trey

open the tailgate. look left then look right. see the two torx-head screws remove these and youll be on your way. chauncey gardiner chaunceygardiner@removethis.myrealbox.com writes i *really* dont want to have to pay the dealership to replace my brake light but i dont have the least idea how to get the cover/lens off. im pretty sure if i start prying on it i will break it... help thanks! .

From : trey

budd cochran wrote the only way a 747 can accelerate faster than a dragster is to put a small nuke under the tail and light the fuse. lets see how the dragster does when its loaded with the same weight as a 747. at the strip its common to see jet cars vs. funny cars. usually the funny car will win because the jet takes awhile to get moving out of the hole. but the jets top speed is way above the funny car at the finish. in a 1/2 mile race the jet would win every time nope by then it would by then it would have lifted off. unless of course the rabbit was drivingg roy yeah hed have heated seats too.... cept the wattage required to warm his tush would dim the lites in a medium sized town...... gotcha! ;^ #1 .

From : miles

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From : xgrizzfan

the oil industry is constantly changing its standards and so must the auto industry coordinator their usage. part of the march is to constantly find lower cost solutions on the refinery side and part is to improve fuel economy sludge prevention etc. from the automaker side. the best advice is to follow the owners manual specs for your specific vehicle. for example a change to 5w20 may well be recommended in 2005 but that doesnt mean that the 2004 or 2003 versions have the necessary changes in ring design bore honing etc. to handle the change. this is especially true for changes in design such as cylinder deactivation. bottom line pick a brand and stick with it for the specifications in the manual. i have been lurking here since taking posession of my 04 durango ltd with the hemi. while at the dealership having a minor tweak done to my nav/radio the service manager tried to sell me an oil change two-way sneeze-thru windvents star-studded mud guards...........musta been a slow day. i told him that i had already had a change at 500 mi. with 5w-30 dino and would change again at 2k before going to full synthetic around 4k. this is an approach which i have used over multiple vehicles the theory being to get the chips out early while allowing the best ring seating during break in by sticking with dino. he told me 1. this is totally unnecessary due to modern manufacturing tolerances. 2. despite the owners manual calling for 5w-30 there was a tsb suggesting/requiring use of 5w-20 in all hemis. they use a semi-synthetic. any comments on the above 5w-20 seems awfully light to me. over the years ive used mobil-1 royal purple and amsoil in various vehicles. any comments on which is thought to be best nowadays tia mopartee .

From : fmb

on sat 06 nov 2004 104435 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote on sat 06 nov 2004 051803 gmt mac davis mac.davis@comcast.net wrote the word that i was getting from my active duty friends before the election was that the military was pretty much for bush or against kerry same thing i guess because of the belief that kerry would bring back the draft... that said i think that the military usually supports the republican candidate dont they i cant complain. economics - bushs targeted pay raises for the military resulted in a substantial increase in pay over the last four years for me - i just happened to fall at the center of the highest group each year ;- i hope he doesnt bring back the draft. its bad enough i have to deal with the malcontents who think they made a mistake by enlisting. i cant imagine dealing with a bunch of people who arent there by choice. greg as a draftee in the 60s i know that youre right... the army today is a whole different animal now.. better educated more informed etc... maybe not as disciplined but what they can do to the grunts without getting sued sure seemed to work for our son.. from gangbanger wannabe to mr. army in 3 months.. lol if nothing else the military is still an excellent finishing school for kids and a great preparation for real life.. .

From : bob

tomr wrote washington - some safety and privacy experts are reacting with apprehension others with all out condemnation over a recent ruling by the national transportation safety board search to require electronic data recorders or black boxes in all new cars manufactured in the united states. http//www.fox.com/story/0293313205600.html im for them. people need to be held accountable for their actions. the benefit to me of everyone else on the road having one greatly outweighs my personal preference of not having one. in other words i dont want one but i wouldnt complain about having one if it were mandated for everyone. those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have nor do they deserve either one. president thomas jefferson 1743-1826 you wont be giving up your freedom to break the law. its when you wreck the authorities will be able to tell what you have done and if you were responsible or a victim. -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : maxpower

bob wrote i refuse to purchase a vehicle with one of these devices.. quite a number of cars have these devices already. in most states they do not have to tell you its on the vehicle. for model year 2005 my understanding is that over 50% of new cars have such a device already. you want a new car youre going to get one. but i dont like them either. wonder if my new 2004 durango has one since it is completely computer controlled. cant even turn on a friggn light without a computer saying its ok. .

From : greg o

get used to it wait untill the manufactuers are required to install transponders on all cars for emissions if your check engine lite comes on it will send the dmv your vehicle info and that will require you to have it fixed in a certain amount of time of be fined its coming!!! washington - some safety and privacy experts are reacting with apprehension others with all out condemnation over a recent ruling by the national transportation safety board search to require electronic data recorders or black boxes in all new cars manufactured in the united states. http//www.fox.com/story/0293313205600.html .

From : nosey

john a reichert wrote is there a option to lock both front wheels to pull when the 4 wheel drive is engaged i have a 4x4 diesel and have trouble with traction going up grades over dirt grass etc. in very wet conditions. this is a big problem when i pull a horse trailer. thanks for comments. john http//www.powertrax.com/ i didnt see dodge on the list but there are electric alternatives to the arb http//www.drivetrain.com/eatonelecposi.html .

From : tomr

those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have nor do they deserve either one. president thomas jefferson 1743-1826 how does a black box bive up your freedom if someone was able to track you where ever you went i would be against it. but as a flight recorder i have no problem. keep in mind those people with gm vehicles and onstar are able to be tracked. not that i do anything illegal but i would not buy a vehicle with onstar. greg .

From : nosey

tomr wrote washington - some safety and privacy experts are reacting with apprehension others with all out condemnation over a recent ruling by the national transportation safety board search to require electronic data recorders or black boxes in all new cars manufactured in the united states. http//www.fox.com/story/0293313205600.html im for them. people need to be held accountable for their actions. the benefit to me of everyone else on the road having one greatly outweighs my personal preference of not having one. in other words i dont want one but i wouldnt complain about having one if it were mandated for everyone. those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have nor do they deserve either one. president thomas jefferson 1743-1826 .