OT: WTF is going on? (Trolling Idjit Alert)

From : randy

Q: okay last week end ya ended up having to buy dinner. so this weekend how about we go for a couple of before dinner drinks or ya could just jump on the wagon as the pats squish the fish.bfg choice is yours just trying to help ya out.g roy .

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From : Annonymous

azwiley1 wrote well build the wall i am all for it! yep! ive been on a few peoples property near elgin and sonoita. huge amounts of trash and debris left by the illegals as they walk through the region. .

From : tom lawrence

well as it is a federal requirement to have a cat on the vehicle if it is to be a road use vehicle yes you must have a cat. not only is it a law to have a catalytic converter ... it just makes sense to have one. well if it was manufactured in 1975 or later which his dakota certainly was. ; hd .

From : miles

tbone wrote i think that you are getting a bit paranoid dude. i was talking to budd about all of the people killed for being christians. you top posted with improper snipping/quoting. you should have erased my reply that you quoted when it had little relevance to your question. .

From : miles

i think that you are getting a bit paranoid dude. i was talking to budd about all of the people killed for being christians. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote how do you know it really happened know what that the stars we see light from may not really exist not sure what your question was in reference too. .

From : roy

on thu 5 oct 2006 232611 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote does this mean christians cant learn from them no but christians need to be real careful about what they consider acceptable. if a teaching conflicts with gods teachings god is always right. -- budd cochran i believe we are seeing the birth of another charlie manson. beekeep .

From : miles

ignoramus4299 ignoramus4299@nospam.4299.invalid wrote now when they do this work and also break the speed sensor come on what are the chances of it failing randomly on the same day i think the chances of failure that day are/were the same as any other day since the truck left the factory. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. this is typical german arrogance....afterall their product simply must be superior to anything we could make.....and it will be their undoing. did i miss something here you make it sound like this is a done deal mb to replace cummins .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote damn man that sucks! down here in sorry sirrea vista 87 octane is still 2.33 yes but to get gas down to sierra vista region they have to drive near the war zone between illegals and minutemen. that costs money!! .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote youre lucky. our governor john huntsmanhas started an investigation as to why utah prices run so much higher than the national average . . . . but i think its just good old fashioned greed. whenever i visited utah to go skiing the gas prices were considerably lower than here in az. are they now higher gas in phoenix is $2.19. .

From : johnnydodge

roy wrote gee sounds just like that pillar of decency foley. foley is scum but at least he quickly resigned. unlike democrat studds who fought like hell against far worse crimes committed all the while blasting reps for going after him. .

From : tbone

smk17 wrote tbone wrote on 2 oct 2006 073819 -0700 smk17 smk17@cornell.edu wrote so far youre comparing unloaded park to loaded reverse-drive... does it make the same noise in neutral as park does the noise change with rpm mac mac the noise does change with rpm and its not as loud when its in neutral. thanks i crawled under the truck and the noise is coming from right where the transmission meets the engine. in the old days that would probably be the pilot bushing... have to ask the tech in the group.. not with an automatic!! -- whos the tech so im assuming this noise should be listed under bad and quite expensive well i feel like an idiot. i took the truck to a shop. diagnoses heat plate was loose. no charge. .

From : roy

i think you missed the point i was trying to make. we have enough problems of our own; homeless needy etc. that need our help and we need to spend less on those that are coming into the us illegally. we need to quit funding their educations mass baby production drug cartels gangs and so on with american taxpayer dollars. if they want to come to the us streamline the immigration process but deport anyone that is here illegally. kids born in the us to illegals are legally us citizens but that law needs to be revised because i dont believe in splitting up families. these items alone would probably free up millions if not billions of tax dollars . . .more for the liberals to waste. they ought to jump on it like ravening wolves. lol please budd how many hundreds of billions and thousands of our people have been wasted on this right wing war. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

aint that the truth. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams tbone wrote probably political motivation. lets see what happens after the elections. far lower in one state than historically for political motivation its supposed to be the reps who can magically control oil and gas prices. az is currently dem run. conspiracy theories dont have to make sense. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

i think you missed the point i was trying to make. we have enough problems of our own; homeless needy etc. that need our help and we need to spend less on those that are coming into the us illegally. we need to quit funding their educations mass baby production drug cartels gangs and so on with american taxpayer dollars. if they want to come to the us streamline the immigration process but deport anyone that is here illegally. kids born in the us to illegals are legally us citizens but that law needs to be revised because i dont believe in splitting up families. these items alone would probably free up millions if not billions of tax dollars . . .more for the liberals to waste. they ought to jump on it like ravening wolves. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams so youre concerned over a matter of perspective. mexico isnt going to build it no money and it would make them be responsible for their poor and unemployed. -- budd cochran ill bet the east germans that wanted freedom thought that perspective was rather important. it was their own government shooting at them. ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. roy .

From : beekeep

then keep it to yourself and you will get your wish. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no i do not wish to debate. i just want to live my christian beliefs as i believe they say i should. cya ken -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

usually the one who starts it gets the blame and many in here have asked you to stop preaching and to have some tolerance for others beliefs and you refuse to do both. sorry budd but you are not the victim here you are the cause. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yes it is. funny how you all blame me but refuse to accept responsibility for your own parts in it. go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote oh poor budd abused and bruised. why do you insist on being a victim even though you do nothing but attack others for their views if you refuse to respect others then you will never have their respect. if you wish to spread your religion then youve got to first earn respect. its not free and it cant be gained through attack. same well same water. roy -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

oh and by the way how many people were burned at the stake or drowned for witchcraft and 99% of those were falsely accused. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what a whole bunch of people were thrown to the lions crucified beheaded etc. for a history book come on . . ..would you do that -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote there is no one alive today that can testify to observing either creation or evolution. there is no evidence for macro-evolution goo-to-you evolution today. the fossil record the smooth non-eroded no cuts from rivers or creeks sandstone layers outside my window fit creation better than evolution. budd you say the universe is only about 8000 years or so old. then why can we look out and see galaxies that are billions of years old the light from those galaxies came through a time warp worm hole etc even if so we can easily see the light from objects that are rather close say 10000 light years away. still a worm hole huh even if so that doesnt explain the why when we look further and further out we see less and less developed galaxies showing were looking further and further back in time. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : nosey

no i do not wish to debate. i just want to live my christian beliefs as i believe they say i should. cya ken -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote oh poor budd abused and bruised. why do you insist on being a victim even though you do nothing but attack others for their views if you refuse to respect others then you will never have their respect. if you wish to spread your religion then youve got to first earn respect. its not free and it cant be gained through attack. same well same water. roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote well god usually doesnt help with tests anyway. or lottery tickets dang it! and just who is holding a gun on them to make them attend attend when they are out in the middle of a public concourse where the general flow of pedestrian traffic is or when they are in ear shot of other groups are you saying that others should move if they dont like it rather than the group move because they are disturbing others lol!!!! when was the last time you saw kids gathered around a flagpole to honor the flag of the usa i really dont think this is an issue. huh the subject was gatherings for religious purposes. ah the truth comes out . . .you dont want to hear how bad you are. huh so people should have to put up with religious fanatics or move away geez budd youre getting absurd here. i allow you to practice your faith and i will fight to defend that right. you on the other hand will do nothing for anyone who doesnt believe your way. you instead will attack them bother them insult them and generally show a complete lack of respect for those that defend your beliefs. good grief. yes they are. our government has a list of approved recognized religions. others are listed as cults. only approved religions are granted access if one is. our government decides which ones are acceptable. then why are there cults all over the us huh they are not recognized as legitimate religions by our gov. one ones on the list can be granted the right to gather on public property hold marches on public roads and have tax exempt status. the cults can not. my point was that our gov. does maintain a list of approved religions. not just anyone can gain access to public property. so if they teach christianity then they should also teach evolution or would you be happy if they only taught christianity the rules are in place follow them. i asked you for your opinion on the matter. is it ok for a school to only teach christianity as you see it. miles i am a forgiven sinner thats all. you continue to sin. and you are just as intolerant as you accuse me of being no budd. i will defend your right to believe the way you do. will you defend mine i have respect your beliefs even though i disagree. i have never said your beliefs are wrong to have. do you respect mine and what verse is that miles love thy neighbor do you think i enjoy being called names and verbally abused to try and teach a stiff necked unbeliever like yourself the truth i do it because i love everyone and i want to see everyone in heaven. bull. your methods do only one thing. shove people away. you attack them rather than respect them. far more people in the world do not believe the way you do. fact. deal with it. fact youre a sinner and youre going to hell. the only way to deal with that is through the blood of jesus. most of the world believes you are wrong. your religion is that of a minority compared to the rest of the world. so most of the world is goign to hell and the devil wins private audience anyone that says hello god its me . . . . then talks to him has a private audience. yeah its part of his being omniscient omnipresent omnipotent . . .well being god. wrong budd. a private audience is one in which there is direct two-way communication. the bible does outline who has this ability. why nobody today ok im done with arguing with you and suffering your abuse again. oh poor budd abused and bruised. why do you insist on being a victim even though you do nothing but attack others for their views if you refuse to respect others then you will never have their respect. if you wish to spread your religion then youve got to first earn respect. its not free and it cant be gained through attack. .

From : azwiley1

budd i am going to step where i know i probably shouldnt but there is something that i need to ask you. i went to a catholic grammar school and i am a confirmed roman catholic and being such i know how they teach and what they teach. thank you. unlike miles theguy and t-bone by knowing where youre coming from helps me to know what to say to answer your questions. im honored that you chose to ask me and ill try to be honest and accurate for you. i will be giving you a couple christian websites for references ok its sorta funny but anyone theguy t-bone etc. that wanted to discuss this topic with me could have gone to email but i think there was a need to try to make me look bad in public forum. oh well. thanks to the army and the assignments i had i have also been exposed to a lot of other forms of religion such as muslim buddhism hinduism as well as a lot of the asian culture and beliefs thanks to some one i was dating while in hawaii. i was a novice hindu after spending 20 years as an agnostic. i became a christian when my wife of now 29 years insisted i go to church with her. if one logically thinks about this there are religious beliefs and/or systems out there that are much older then the catholic/christianity system how can they be older yet be wrong are they really older from the historical records yes they are older than christianity but are they older than christian beliefs im trying to explain this as best i can and its a bit long. lets start by assuming the bible is accurate historically and scientifically. most of this information if not all can be found at www.carm.org along with answers to most christian questions. ive checked matt slick website owner and his quals and i heartily recommend the site. btw for info on the genesis record check out http//www.answersingenesis.org/ iirc in the catholic faith youre taught that adam and eve were real then it falls apart. evolution has made its way in but that doesnt fit with the bible record. evolution or something like it would be needed to allow for older religions but the bible says that everyone divided into ethnic groups not races! were all one race the human race at the tower of babel about 150 years after noahs flood which killed everyone except noahs family. from there as they journeyed away from the group that would later become the hebrews when prayers didnt get answered they looked as humans do for gods that they thought would answer their needs. satan that old devil was right there to do his worst and pretend to be a god. so you get other religions that are not as old as the worship of jehovah. in fundamental christianity we dont count our existence only back to the time of jesus but all the way back to when god said let there be light.. to us elohim hebrew for the three-in-one godhead is god. jehovah is god the father. jesus the second person of god became 100% flesh and 100% god to become the only sacrifice sent by jehovah the father for the sins of all mankind then rose in his physical body to bring eternal life. then god elohim sent the holy spirit to comfort all that accept christ as their personal savior. salvation is a free gift period. you just need to ask for it. look at it like this in the original language the thief that hung beside jesus on the cross did not go to a paradise he went to heaven no baptism no weekly confessions no tithing no works or traditions. now why are the other religions wrong . . . .lets look at basic hinduism as an example. i spent more time studying it than anything else before becoming a christian. you seek to achieve higher and higher reincarnations until you reach the top nirvana iirc. screw up and youre an ant to be stepped on. the rules to follow are stifling and improbable at best. you have to earn your next step up so your salvation is not easy not a giftand you drag your sins with you until you hit the top. they deny a source of protein that would reduce / eliminate hunger cattle because they dont want to eat cousin herby. they divide their country into castes curiously whites are always in the highest caste when they become hindi regardless of their prior status elsewhere and deny basic rights to the lower castes. is this the way to treat your fellow man buddhism i believe doesnt offer any form of salvation but teaches you how to feel better about your sins. i didnt look at it much because it didnt offer much to me. does this mean christians cant learn from them no but christians need to be real careful about what they consider acceptable. if a teaching conflicts with gods teachings god is always right. -- budd cochran -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

ok. larry ill reply by email to cut out the fuss this will generate here. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd i am going to step where i know i probably shouldnt but there is something that i need to ask you. i went to a catholic grammar school and i am a confirmed roman catholic and being such i know how they teach and what they teach. thanks to the army and the assignments i had i have also been exposed to a lot of other forms of religion such as muslim buddhism hinduism as well as a lot of the asian culture and beliefs thanks to some one i was dating while in hawaii. if one logically thinks about this there are religious beliefs and/or systems out there that are much older then the catholic/christianity system how can they be older yet be wrong budd cochran wrote do you have tests in schools then there is prayer in schools. im not sure what your connection between tests and prayer is. you never asked for divine help with a test you forgot to study for i look back now and the prayers were quite wimpy and generic. they were most likely christian oriented. thats how my school was. ok. any such prayer should be kept private since its a personal thing. then you shouldnt have prayer services in a church i have no trouble with religious groups gathering outside of normal class time on campus. i do not think you would have liked to sit through prayer that was non-christian in nature. i have prayed with persons of other beliefs but i do not claim to know if their god heard them or not. some school boards dont allow even that. bible study groups on campus are denied. depends on the city it seems. the problem is that using the campus is at the cost of tax payers. they should not have to pay for such use. in those cases i have seen religious groups pay to rent the school buildings for their use. standing on a circle of concrete around a flagpole before they open the doors to the school is not using taxpayer money to speak of. i dont have a problem with that. you would most likely if it were a religion such as some sort of devil worshiper groups. who defines what is a valid religion and what is not for the purpose of allowing organized meetings on public property the other religions are not denied access if access is granted to christians. what gave you the idea they were i do have a problem with unproven theory being taught as proven fact. i havent seen evolution big bang etc. taught as fact. ive only seen things that have been found presented and theories as to what it means. then you need to look more closely at more school agendas. i do have a problem with the religion of humanism being taught in schools. i do have a problem with the religion of evolution being taught in schools. then you should have equal problems with christianity being taught in public schools. yes i do. if theyre going to teach those belief systems then they should also teach christianity. or follow their own rules and dropp them all. so you do dislike certain beliefs . . .that explains a few things. sure i dislike certain beliefs but i respect ones right to believe the way they choose and i do not tell them they are wrong for doing so. i do not tell them theyre a lesser person for doing so. that is you and your beliefs. i dont agree with them. my beliefs are not like yours. fundamental christianity which i believe in has no compunctions or restrictions about stepping on toes. im to call a sinner a sinner. im to call a cult a cult. when someone tries to re-write the word of god re-interpret it to liberalize and dilute it call it just a history book i am called to defend it. you otoh want the bible re-written to suit you to allow the things you want to do to not tell you that youre a sinner and youre going to hell. gee thats the stuff that brought about all the liberalized denominations... people not wanting to face facts about themselves. go on call the bible a poorly written history book but one thing is for sure miles no matter what you call it it is what it really is gods word to far more people than yourself. you claim you believe in god well why dont you just talk to him and ask him to show you the truth about the bible and himself. the bible says that if you ask him in full faith believing you will be answered yes no not yet are the most common answers not wavering doubting then god will answer. as for me i shake the dust from my shoes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote you never asked for divine help with a test you forgot to study for no. if i forgot then its my fault and i pay the consequences. i learn from my mistakes and learn self responsibility rather than expect someone to bail me out. well god usually doesnt help with tests anyway. then you shouldnt have prayer services in a church they are only for those that wish to partake. not done in a mixed public forum where some people may not desire such. and just who is holding a gun on them to make them attend standing on a circle of concrete around a flagpole before they open the doors to the school is not using taxpayer money to speak of. anyone not interested in the religious meeting has to avoid this group. that is wrong. the group should go to a private area where those that wish to attend can those that do not are not subject to their sessions. lol!!!! when was the last time you saw kids gathered around a flagpole to honor the flag of the usa i really dont think this is an issue. case in point. when i attended nau in northern arizona it was very common for religious groups to gather in a small grassy area just outside my dorm. for hours i would have to endure their religious speaches sometimes with a bull horn. as i said i have no trouble wiith them practicing their religion on campus. but do it in a manner that has no chance of bothering anyone who does not wish to partake. otherwise get off campus. ah the truth comes out . . .you dont want to hear how bad you are. the other religions are not denied access if access is granted to christians. what gave you the idea they were yes they are. our government has a list of approved recognized religions. others are listed as cults. only approved religions are granted access if one is. our government decides which ones are acceptable. then why are there cults all over the us yes i do. if theyre going to teach those belief systems then they should also teach christianity. so if they teach christianity then they should also teach evolution or would you be happy if they only taught christianity the rules are in place follow them. now what about all other religions if christiantity is taught then they also have to teach islam buddism etc. right you get the point. sure i dislike certain beliefs but i respect ones right to believe the way they choose and i do not tell them they are wrong for doing so. i do not tell them theyre a lesser person for doing so. that is you and your beliefs. i dont agree with them. yes i do you disagree. you believe you are above anyone who doesnt subscribe to your beliefs regardless of their religion. you believe you are a better person than them. you have no respect for people with differing views. as you see it. miles i am a forgiven sinner thats all. my beliefs are not like yours. fundamental christianity which i believe in has no compunctions or restrictions about stepping on toes. im to call a sinner a sinner. and there you have it budd. why there is so much fighting in the world. each group has their own beliefs and zero tolerance of anyone who differs. youre a classic example of religious based intolerance. the number one reason for the conflicts in the history of the world. and you are just as intolerant as you accuse me of being but there is one difference miles. i will admit i believe the bible is inerrent and the true word of god. that makes it the yardstick i measure all other religions by. you lie to yourself by claiming to be so darn tolerant then you do yourself a real injustivce by believing those lies. im to call a cult a cult. when someone tries to re-write the word of god re-interpret it to liberalize and dilute it call it just a history book i am called to defend it. god through jesus only showed himself to a select few people in the middle east. many other religions existed during the time and before. you wish to rewrite their beliefs you are not called to attack others in the name of religion. you are not told to have zero tolerance for anyone who differs from your beliefs even other christians who differ. since you do not know the truth of what fundamental christianity is how can you judge me without bias you otoh want the bible re-written to suit you to allow the things you want to do to not tell you that youre a sinner and youre going to hell. i believe your better than anyone else who differs mentality will send you to hell. your intolerance is a sin. and what verse is that miles love thy neighbor do you think i enjoy being called names and verbally abused to try and teach a stiff necked unbeliever like yourself the truth i do it because i love everyone and i want to see everyone in heaven. go on call the bible a poorly written history book but one thing is for sure miles no matter what you call it it is what it really is gods word to f

From : miles

budd cochran wrote ok thats it. you just want to argue. oh geez budd. anytime someone does not agree with you you call it arguing. quit being so self righteous and try to discuss as i am. the difference between you and i is that i say i disagree with you. you tell me im wrong. huge difference. learn to respect others. oh ya you cant. the bible tells you to attack fight destroy anyone who does not believe your way unless you can convert them. if thats how you believe then your religion is doomed. .

From : miles

ignoramus4299 ignoramus4299@nospam.4299.invalid wrote i want to see what happened to the speed sensor by removing it. if there is any visible damage i will take photographs of it. and once you remove it youve tampered with it. how is the dealership the judge the jury or the executioner supposed to know you didnt damage it when you removed it if it is visibly damaged then it is one story. mechanics would see it when they removed the carrier gears which means that they would let me know if they saw it. they did not tell me that. so then they damaged it due to reinstallation. if that so i will take pictures of it. if the speed sensor does not work but shows no signs of damage then i think it is likely still due to what they did but harder to prove. suppose there is no physical damage apparent then you check it with an ohm meter the resistance measures above or below spec. open or shorted explain to me how the mechanic could have caused that .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

yes ive done frame up with my uncle once before. on a 67 triumpth tr6 nice car. this firebird i think is going to take a lot to make it right. fortunately hes not looking to go show ready or i would not have agreed to help in some stages of the restoration. i anticipated no major problems with the floor pans the rocker panels ive talked him into taking that to a pro. especially while they have to work on the rear subframe anyways. i anticipate him getting a little deeper then he really wants to by the time its through but i dont think it will detour him. i think that blocking would have worked well had the rail not been unknowingly rusted completely through. but point is its going to a frame shop and is going to be made right before we go any further. im going to talk to him and see if i cant get him to have the frame/bodyshop go ahead with pans and rockers while they have it. makes life simpler for us. he wants to paint it himself so we will see how that turns out. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. sad man. we decided to do exactly that. had a full length front pan and 4x8 sheet to do repairs in rear seat section rust spots when we cut the rear section the car dropped. seems the frame rail was rusted through hmm not good at all. would have thought the blocking would have supported it. i mean all the way on the right rear. he has ordered a new frame rail rush shipped. might as well get both at this point. again what car is it if it is a f-bird or camaro search around for one that has been back halved. they may still have the stock frame around. when it arrives early next week we are going to load the car on my equipment trailer so it can go to the local frame & race shop. the frame was broken between the spring mounts and what little was left of the floor was actually holding the right rear of the car up. a disappointing find for sure. ill let you know what the frame shop has to say. for now we have stopped progress. seeing as there is now a spring mount above where the rear seat should be. you are going to need specs and numbers now. while he is going nuts ordering parts you might as well get new sub frame mount rubbers and bolts. you are also going to have to decide if it is worth doing. at this stage it can start to get real pricey real fast. have you done one of these deals before roy -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. no crash book no frame jig nothing. the floor pan seems to test fit well id finish the floor to get some strength back into it before you touch the rockers. roy .

From : napalmheart

it would be keepin illegals in mexico right the difference is that we would be building it not the mexican government. the berlin wall was built by the east germans to keep east german subjects in their socialistic despotic country. .

From : Annonymous

on thu 05 oct 2006 210940 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote please show me where this is an over generalization. show me one instance where the american public actually stood up and put a stop to being screwed. oh tom come on. stop being so melodramatic. some times you are your own worst enemy. damn this was going to be good.g roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

larry ill reply by email to cut out the fuss this will generate here. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd i am going to step where i know i probably shouldnt but there is something that i need to ask you. i went to a catholic grammar school and i am a confirmed roman catholic and being such i know how they teach and what they teach. thanks to the army and the assignments i had i have also been exposed to a lot of other forms of religion such as muslim buddhism hinduism as well as a lot of the asian culture and beliefs thanks to some one i was dating while in hawaii. if one logically thinks about this there are religious beliefs and/or systems out there that are much older then the catholic/christianity system how can they be older yet be wrong budd cochran wrote do you have tests in schools then there is prayer in schools. im not sure what your connection between tests and prayer is. you never asked for divine help with a test you forgot to study for i look back now and the prayers were quite wimpy and generic. they were most likely christian oriented. thats how my school was. ok. any such prayer should be kept private since its a personal thing. then you shouldnt have prayer services in a church i have no trouble with religious groups gathering outside of normal class time on campus. i do not think you would have liked to sit through prayer that was non-christian in nature. i have prayed with persons of other beliefs but i do not claim to know if their god heard them or not. some school boards dont allow even that. bible study groups on campus are denied. depends on the city it seems. the problem is that using the campus is at the cost of tax payers. they should not have to pay for such use. in those cases i have seen religious groups pay to rent the school buildings for their use. standing on a circle of concrete around a flagpole before they open the doors to the school is not using taxpayer money to speak of. i dont have a problem with that. you would most likely if it were a religion such as some sort of devil worshiper groups. who defines what is a valid religion and what is not for the purpose of allowing organized meetings on public property the other religions are not denied access if access is granted to christians. what gave you the idea they were i do have a problem with unproven theory being taught as proven fact. i havent seen evolution big bang etc. taught as fact. ive only seen things that have been found presented and theories as to what it means. then you need to look more closely at more school agendas. i do have a problem with the religion of humanism being taught in schools. i do have a problem with the religion of evolution being taught in schools. then you should have equal problems with christianity being taught in public schools. yes i do. if theyre going to teach those belief systems then they should also teach christianity. or follow their own rules and dropp them all. so you do dislike certain beliefs . . .that explains a few things. sure i dislike certain beliefs but i respect ones right to believe the way they choose and i do not tell them they are wrong for doing so. i do not tell them theyre a lesser person for doing so. that is you and your beliefs. i dont agree with them. my beliefs are not like yours. fundamental christianity which i believe in has no compunctions or restrictions about stepping on toes. im to call a sinner a sinner. im to call a cult a cult. when someone tries to re-write the word of god re-interpret it to liberalize and dilute it call it just a history book i am called to defend it. you otoh want the bible re-written to suit you to allow the things you want to do to not tell you that youre a sinner and youre going to hell. gee thats the stuff that brought about all the liberalized denominations... people not wanting to face facts about themselves. go on call the bible a poorly written history book but one thing is for sure miles no matter what you call it it is what it really is gods word to far more people than yourself. you claim you believe in god well why dont you just talk to him and ask him to show you the truth about the bible and himself. the bible says that if you ask him in full faith believing you will be answered yes no not yet are the most common answers not wavering doubting then god will answer. as for me i shake the dust from my shoes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com

From : azwiley1

im looking to buy a 97 dodge 1500 from a guy that says when it rains the check engine light comes on and then it runs like crapit has a v-8 engine auto transshort bed truckplease help asap if anyone knows what the problem is . okay... something electronic is getting wet and causing the engine perform poorly. with the obvious answer out of the way... no one could offer anything more than swags as to whats wrong without knowing the codes that are stored. the procedure to retrieve the codes can be found here http//www.dodgeram.info/engine-gas/obdi/pcmfaultcode.htm if you can post back what you see it would help narrow the list of potential problems .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

i need to replace the one non-oem in the truck. is there a supply of oem or repro cables out there somewhere thanks. .

From : tbone

charles you may want to try this site. http//www.dieseltruckresource.com/ if it isnt the best its pretty close. steve are there any groups for dodge 5.9 cummings hopup i would like to know what will give me the most bang for my bucks. i have a 2000 ram250 automatic i need more power. .

From : miles

tbone wrote probably political motivation. lets see what happens after the elections. far lower in one state than historically for political motivation its supposed to be the reps who can magically control oil and gas prices. az is currently dem run. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

ah hypocrisy is an ugly thing. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote i never thought id see the day wed need a berlin wall to keep people out. mexico blasts the us for wanting to put up a wall or use the military to guard the border and prevent illegal crossings. ironically mexico has posted military troops all across its southern border with guetamala for that very purpose. mexico has a huge problem keeping illegal immigrants from coming north into mexico. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

what a whole bunch of people were thrown to the lions crucified beheaded etc. for a history book come on . . ..would you do that -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote there is no one alive today that can testify to observing either creation or evolution. there is no evidence for macro-evolution goo-to-you evolution today. the fossil record the smooth non-eroded no cuts from rivers or creeks sandstone layers outside my window fit creation better than evolution. budd you say the universe is only about 8000 years or so old. then why can we look out and see galaxies that are billions of years old the light from those galaxies came through a time warp worm hole etc even if so we can easily see the light from objects that are rather close say 10000 light years away. still a worm hole huh even if so that doesnt explain the why when we look further and further out we see less and less developed galaxies showing were looking further and further back in time. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

on wed 04 oct 2006 195342 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do actually imo it has a lot to do with gun control... i think gun control is more than buying guns and running around in camo.. its safety not only in training shooting and handling but in securing the guns and ammo... i agree completely. gun control should not be stopping people from buying guns but setting up a system that allows for holding the ones buying them responsible for their use. too many kids are finding guns at home and killing themselves or other kids at school... like i said too many people buy guns and then take no responsibility for securing them. if a child finds a gun and kills himself with it and it is shown that the gun was not reasonably secured the gun owner should be charged with murder. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote do you have tests in schools then there is prayer in schools. im not sure what your connection between tests and prayer is. you never asked for divine help with a test you forgot to study for i look back now and the prayers were quite wimpy and generic. they were most likely christian oriented. thats how my school was. ok. any such prayer should be kept private since its a personal thing. then you shouldnt have prayer services in a church i have no trouble with religious groups gathering outside of normal class time on campus. i do not think you would have liked to sit through prayer that was non-christian in nature. i have prayed with persons of other beliefs but i do not claim to know if their god heard them or not. some school boards dont allow even that. bible study groups on campus are denied. depends on the city it seems. the problem is that using the campus is at the cost of tax payers. they should not have to pay for such use. in those cases i have seen religious groups pay to rent the school buildings for their use. standing on a circle of concrete around a flagpole before they open the doors to the school is not using taxpayer money to speak of. i dont have a problem with that. you would most likely if it were a religion such as some sort of devil worshiper groups. who defines what is a valid religion and what is not for the purpose of allowing organized meetings on public property the other religions are not denied access if access is granted to christians. what gave you the idea they were i do have a problem with unproven theory being taught as proven fact. i havent seen evolution big bang etc. taught as fact. ive only seen things that have been found presented and theories as to what it means. then you need to look more closely at more school agendas. i do have a problem with the religion of humanism being taught in schools. i do have a problem with the religion of evolution being taught in schools. then you should have equal problems with christianity being taught in public schools. yes i do. if theyre going to teach those belief systems then they should also teach christianity. or follow their own rules and dropp them all. so you do dislike certain beliefs . . .that explains a few things. sure i dislike certain beliefs but i respect ones right to believe the way they choose and i do not tell them they are wrong for doing so. i do not tell them theyre a lesser person for doing so. that is you and your beliefs. i dont agree with them. my beliefs are not like yours. fundamental christianity which i believe in has no compunctions or restrictions about stepping on toes. im to call a sinner a sinner. im to call a cult a cult. when someone tries to re-write the word of god re-interpret it to liberalize and dilute it call it just a history book i am called to defend it. you otoh want the bible re-written to suit you to allow the things you want to do to not tell you that youre a sinner and youre going to hell. gee thats the stuff that brought about all the liberalized denominations... people not wanting to face facts about themselves. go on call the bible a poorly written history book but one thing is for sure miles no matter what you call it it is what it really is gods word to far more people than yourself. you claim you believe in god well why dont you just talk to him and ask him to show you the truth about the bible and himself. the bible says that if you ask him in full faith believing you will be answered yes no not yet are the most common answers not wavering doubting then god will answer. as for me i shake the dust from my shoes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote there is no one alive today that can testify to observing either creation or evolution. there is no evidence for macro-evolution goo-to-you evolution today. the fossil record the smooth non-eroded no cuts from rivers or creeks sandstone layers outside my window fit creation better than evolution. budd you say the universe is only about 8000 years or so old. then why can we look out and see galaxies that are billions of years old the light from those galaxies came through a time warp worm hole etc even if so we can easily see the light from objects that are rather close say 10000 light years away. still a worm hole huh even if so that doesnt explain the why when we look further and further out we see less and less developed galaxies showing were looking further and further back in time. .

From : tbone

are these dodge dealer service centers for what its worth when i worked at an independent auto shop 2001 the diagnostics software we used was sophisticated enough to do a misfire count while we drove the vehicle. if it was an ignition-related problem it sure made the diagnostic end quick and easy for any joe in the garage -- and id find it hard to believe that this level of technology or its 2003/6 replacement isnt available from a computer interface designed to work with dodges as opposed to the autozone/midas fault code reading. if it wasnt ignition related it was easy for the tech to review the data on the monitor and start from there. if the shops have taken the car in and have been able to replicate the problem i would have a hard time accepting the no code no fix excuse. if youve been taking it to a lower-level shop though you make it sound like its the dealer... that doesnt have the manpower or sophistication to help you then you know what the next step is. jon dmyhrum@fbconnectu.net wrote for three months my caravan with the 3.3 v/6 has a miss while cruising at a constant speed mostly at low speeds 25 to 35 mph and low rpms 1500 minus. no check engine comes on. ive had two different dodge service centers look it over and have done the following with no improvement. -both spark plugs and wires replaced -fuel injector flush has been done no improvement and they have no idea whats causing it. they say that until a check engine comes on they wont know what do fix. my concern is that there is no way to know when the check engine light will come on and the problem is very slowly getting worse and is driving me crazy. has anyone experienced the same thing and have figured out what the problem was and more importantly what the fix is. .

From : tbone

please show me where this is an over generalization. show me one instance where the american public actually stood up and put a stop to being screwed. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 04 oct 2006 203201 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... and in todays world where tech is cheep and is just about everywhere how exactly are you going to stop them most americans are far to wimpy to force it to stop. just an observation here.........werent you the one that just accussed someone else of over generalizing .

From : tbone

sad man. we decided to do exactly that. had a full length front pan and 4x8 sheet to do repairs in rear seat section rust spots when we cut the rear section the car dropped. seems the frame rail was rusted through hmm not good at all. would have thought the blocking would have supported it. i mean all the way on the right rear. he has ordered a new frame rail rush shipped. might as well get both at this point. again what car is it if it is a f-bird or camaro search around for one that has been back halved. they may still have the stock frame around. when it arrives early next week we are going to load the car on my equipment trailer so it can go to the local frame & race shop. the frame was broken between the spring mounts and what little was left of the floor was actually holding the right rear of the car up. a disappointing find for sure. ill let you know what the frame shop has to say. for now we have stopped progress. seeing as there is now a spring mount above where the rear seat should be. you are going to need specs and numbers now. while he is going nuts ordering parts you might as well get new sub frame mount rubbers and bolts. you are also going to have to decide if it is worth doing. at this stage it can start to get real pricey real fast. have you done one of these deals before roy -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. no crash book no frame jig nothing. the floor pan seems to test fit well id finish the floor to get some strength back into it before you touch the rockers. roy .

From : roy

sad man. we decided to do exactly that. had a full length front pan and 4x8 sheet to do repairs in rear seat section rust spots when we cut the rear section the car dropped. seems the frame rail was rusted through i mean all the way on the right rear. he has ordered a new frame rail rush shipped. when it arrives early next week we are going to load the car on my equipment trailer so it can go to the local frame & race shop. the frame was broken between the spring mounts and what little was left of the floor was actually holding the right rear of the car up. a disappointing find for sure. ill let you know what the frame shop has to say. for now we have stopped progress. seeing as there is now a spring mount above where the rear seat should be. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. no crash book no frame jig nothing. the floor pan seems to test fit well id finish the floor to get some strength back into it before you touch the rockers. roy .

From : azwiley1

no crash book no frame jig nothing. the floor pan seems to test fit well id finish the floor to get some strength back into it before you touch the rockers. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. i wont argue roy. not looking to argue. youre more the gm expert than i am. no expert but ive played withem i was just doing my best to help as i could. understood. having said that the sub frame bolted to it will help hold things in alignment as he cuts and welds the floor and rockers together. he should probably block under the rear and front subs so it wont sag. of course if he has a crash book with the specs or perhaps a frame jig not so big a deal. you are correct year one has some good stuff. roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote i do have a problem with unproven theory being taught as proven fact. you do you preach unproven theory as fact quite often. i dont care that you do it - i just find it odd that you have a problem with your own actions. -- ken .

From : tbone

no crash book no frame jig nothing. the floor pan seems to test fit well -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. i wont argue roy. not looking to argue. youre more the gm expert than i am. no expert but ive played withem i was just doing my best to help as i could. understood. having said that the sub frame bolted to it will help hold things in alignment as he cuts and welds the floor and rockers together. he should probably block under the rear and front subs so it wont sag. of course if he has a crash book with the specs or perhaps a frame jig not so big a deal. you are correct year one has some good stuff. roy .

From : tbone

no i do get it but a line has to be drawn somewhere and when we take the time to fix some of our own problems then we can look to helping others. how exactly is that going to happen this country spend so much money helping every other counrty in the world. we give away more money then one can imagine. why because we can. how big is the national debt right now it could be reduced if we stopped giving it away. hell make japan repay us for rebuilding their country. i seriously doubt that this country will ever stop helping every one else and start taking care of our own. as to us the individuals helping our own. imo the minutemen is a good example of us helping us. they are out there helping rebuild the property including fencing that is destroyed by the damn illegals yes i dont like them but look at all the bad press the group gets. i think that most using the word loosely do what we can to help others but most of it is for nothing because there is so much more that negates any good we do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on wed 04 oct 2006 203334 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 142740 -0500 ray turner rayturner@coastline.org wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... i dont know what it is. i really dont. if it was just one or two things i would hope that we could have fixed it by now but maybe not. i think this is a really complex thing. i dont think that it is movies and video games though as much as the movies and video games that we see now are a symptom of the real problem. it is something deeper than that. empathy just doesnt seem to exist much. we dont give a shit about other people or other peoples pain. just ourselves. the symptoms appear in all places. we dont care about the plight of people in mexico so what that they cant make a decent living and cant provide for their families they have no business here. we dont care about the poor screw em right they can just go get a job. too bad for their kids. we dont care about the working blue collar workers i mean hell why should we have to support their retirement systems......they just be happy to have a job. we really dont care to solve any problems we just want to cut everyone off at the knees. i dont know what happened the past week is incredibly sick. words can not describe the selfishness and blackness of what happened. but i think that america has changed. the conservative fundamentalist movement has had an effect on the fiber of our feelings. or again maybe that movement is just another sympton of the real problem. whatever it is it is very sad. sometimes i think i am seeing the last bald eagle. very well said and i agree with all of it except for the plight of the people in mexico. i really dont give a rats about them when we have many in this country in the same situation. well...........i think that my point went right over your head tom. .

From : beekeep

on thu 5 oct 2006 134802 +0000 utc ignoramus4299 ignoramus4299@nospam.4299.invalid wrote so a mechanic did some work on my dodge rear diff. after that a speed sensor on the rear diff failed on the same day. they are now telling me that it is a purely random coincidence that it failed on the sale day as they did work there. asking me $156 to fix it it is a $30 part and a 5 minute job. they do not agree to just fix it for me for free. so i would like to know if there is anything i can do to make their life a little more difficult such as bringing some complaint somewhere that they would have to answer to etc. i could sue in small claims court and probably will win but that means taking time off work. i its a part that fails all the time. i have to replace mine about every two years. usually buy two at time so i have a spare on hand. beekeep .

From : mac davis

on thu 05 oct 2006 070625 gmt charles page cpage-1@bak.rr.com wrote are there any groups for dodge 5.9 cummings hopup i would like to know what will give me the most bang for my bucks. i have a 2000 ram250 automatic i need more power. need or want as one with ctd envy id be happy with it stock! banks and others make kits and addons but id be very careful with that auto tranny and more torque.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : nosey

so a mechanic did some work on my dodge rear diff. after that a speed sensor on the rear diff failed on the same day. they are now telling me that it is a purely random coincidence that it failed on the sale day as they did work there. asking me $156 to fix it it is a $30 part and a 5 minute job. they do not agree to just fix it for me for free. so i would like to know if there is anything i can do to make their life a little more difficult such as bringing some complaint somewhere that they would have to answer to etc. i could sue in small claims court and probably will win but that means taking time off work. i .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

is it bolt-in front sub-frame if so loosening it may let the panels go in easier. the back is gonna be tough unless the sub-frame actually holds the body in shape. i strongly disagree! do not unbolt the frame connector bolts or there is a good chance you will be unable to get anything straight on it imo. is this a early f-bird roy .

From : tom lawrence

budd cochran wrote cant mention him most places without someone calling you to task for it. i have no problem with god being mentioned in schools as long as its independent of regular class work. i see no problem with schools being used for after hours student religious group activities. the problem is that if we allow it for christians then we have to allow any and all religions as well. i would have a problem with certain religions on campus. therefore its none allowed. .

From : napalmheart

on wed 4 oct 2006 192700 -0400 napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote on tue 3 oct 2006 233115 -0400 napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote peterdc100@yahoo.com wrote stock size is 245/75-16 if i go up a size to lets say 245/85-16s will i get better gas mileage in every single case i have ever put larger tires on the result was lower mpg. while the effective ratio should improve it the engine has to work harder to turn the larger tires. ive yet to see a case where it improved mpg. i went from 215/75-15s to 235/75-15s on my dakota and lost a couple of mpg. ken ken.. before or after speedometer recalibration i would guess at about 7 or 8% error with that tire change... mac tire retailer said recalibration wasnt necessary. im going back to 215s or maybe to 225s real soon. ken we went up 1 size on the ram and it reads 60 when youre doing 63... yours should have been maybe double that error with 2 sizes... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote youre lucky. our governor john huntsmanhas started an investigation as to why utah prices run so much higher than the national average . . . . but i think its just good old fashioned greed. whenever i visited utah to go skiing the gas prices were considerably lower than here in az. are they now higher gas in phoenix is $2.19. damn man that sucks! down here in sorry sirrea vista 87 octane is still 2.33 .

From : miles

1160010910.895752.215280@c28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com scorpioex1@msn.com wrote friends amazing coincidence with ignoramus16919 i just had my 1996 ram 1500 4x4 5.9l in for inspection. i too had a whining noise that was coming from what i determined to be the rear differential area but no grinding. the sound actually reminded me of the sound a tie fighter from star wars makes i realize how geeky that sounds. the dealers diagnosis was needs rear side and pinion bearings. im not 100% sure what there saying is wrong as i cant find a mention of pinion bearings in the haynes manual and not sure what they mean by rear side. do i have the same problem ignoramus16919 has is it possible to fix yourself with limited experience ive done basic maintenance with you guyss help brakes rotors hub bearing fuel pump water pump etc the dealer suggested it be fixed of course but he said it could last a week or a year. thanks steve there are six bearings in your rear axle; two pinion bearings they support the pinion gear two carrier side bearings they support the differential carrier two axle bearings they provide support for the outboard ends of the drive axles. i have no idea what they are referring to by rear side probably the carrier bearings. if you want to do the job yourself first you need to ascertain whether you have the necessary tools and equipment or can find a shop willing to do the bearing r & r. youll need; basic sockets wrenches pry bars. inch-pound torque wrench beam or dial style dial indicator side bearing adjuster tool bearing splitter shop press pinion yoke holding tool 1/2 inch drive torque wrench proper service instructions if your haines manual cant id a pinion bearing id guess it wont be much help here whether or not its a job for you all i can suggest is to locate and read thru all the bearing replacement procedure and decide whether you think you can do it. naturally if you do the job with the axle housing in place youll wish you were born with three arms/hands. lastly the longer you drive on failing bearings the more contaminated the usable parts ring and pinion will become. iows you risk totally trashing that which may now be re-usable adding to the repair costs and possibly taking the job to a level where you will have to farm it out to a professional. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

oh darn. youre gonna have find some way to find the correct dimensions for the rockers and the whole floor area. one of the big problems with body-on-frame cars is the body has no real stiffness unlike a unibody which can be made so it hardly moves when panels are cut out. can you find a similar car a same year b-o-p body should be close and get the dimensions you need then jack it back to shape and weld in your braces. have you found a source for your panels if its a well reputed source like year one then the panels themselves can help in fixing things up. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams thats my concern the floor pan is already out and the inside and bottom of the rocker is gone for the most part. he already has the panels as there was some rust holes on the outside just under the door that he knew about and was already planning the replacement. this is on a restoration me and a friend are working on together. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. if you have the interior completely stripped youll need to brace it every way you can think of. if you think it can move out of line in a certain direction it probably can. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hey guys im looking for some advice from you wielding and body gurus. we have a old pontiac here in the garage that needs some new floor pans and rocker panels wielded in. the pans i know i can do no problem. its the rockers i have a question about. do i need to put something like 1x1 tube in some sort of x fashion to support the body from twisting when i cut the rockers out. i realize that i want to cut then wield one side at a time. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

if you have the interior completely stripped youll need to brace it every way you can think of. if you think it can move out of line in a certain direction it probably can. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hey guys im looking for some advice from you wielding and body gurus. we have a old pontiac here in the garage that needs some new floor pans and rocker panels wielded in. the pans i know i can do no problem. its the rockers i have a question about. do i need to put something like 1x1 tube in some sort of x fashion to support the body from twisting when i cut the rockers out. i realize that i want to cut then wield one side at a time. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

tbone wrote divert most of their attention to staying successful even at the expense of their families. what a sad situation. thats the difference between you and i tbone. my family will never suffer at the expense of anything i do. i will give up anything and everything for my family. liberals on the other hand can easily forgo their families well being because they can just blame the problems on gov. reps etc. its always someone elses fault for their problems. never self responsibility. gee sounds just like that pillar of decency foley. roy .

From : miles

tbone wrote divert most of their attention to staying successful even at the expense of their families. what a sad situation. thats the difference between you and i tbone. my family will never suffer at the expense of anything i do. i will give up anything and everything for my family. liberals on the other hand can easily forgo their families well being because they can just blame the problems on gov. reps etc. its always someone elses fault for their problems. never self responsibility. .

From : miles

i have been trying to find a replacement power mirror control switch for my 96 ram 1500. i have located a control switch from 94 ram. the chrysler part number is 4373279. does anyone know if this switch will work in my 96 ram if not what other vehicles/years can i get a switch from that will work thanks .

From : miles

roy wrote gotta tell ya story bro. for me heated seats are dangerous. just dont crank up the heat in them after visiting the chili and hot wings diner. .

From : mac davis

friends amazing coincidence with ignoramus16919 i just had my 1996 ram 1500 4x4 5.9l in for inspection. i too had a whining noise that was coming from what i determined to be the rear differential area but no grinding. the sound actually reminded me of the sound a tie fighter from star wars makes i realize how geeky that sounds. the dealers diagnosis was needs rear side and pinion bearings. im not 100% sure what there saying is wrong as i cant find a mention of pinion bearings in the haynes manual and not sure what they mean by rear side. do i have the same problem ignoramus16919 has is it possible to fix yourself with limited experience ive done basic maintenance with you guyss help brakes rotors hub bearing fuel pump water pump etc the dealer suggested it be fixed of course but he said it could last a week or a year. thanks steve .

From : mac davis

budd cochran wrote imho thats because the churches have left the bible and followed after false teachings and screwed up interpretations. all churches have done just that. yet they all claim to live by the bible in every way. the church imho has more moral and social problems than society as a whole. religion has never been a solution to the worlds problems. it has been a root cause of many conflicts though. what does the bible teach regarding tolerance of those with differing views than your own the church has little respect or tolerance so i hope that is one of the deviations you speak of although youre guilty of that yourself. .

From : ray turner

on tue 3 oct 2006 232442 -0400 napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote why not have contraceptives by available for cheap or free across the board because the people who should be using them dont have enough sense to use them i can hear that too. you can educate the ignorant but you cant fix stupid. you can lead a horticulture but you cant make her think that too. ken mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : azwiley1

on wed 04 oct 2006 204044 +0000 tbone wrote and what exactly would you do about it no easy answers. but im confident that people smarter than me could put together a package that would confront this problem. off hand..... without serious analysis......how about all shows from 3pm to midnight have to be how-to type programs house repair a/c repair carpentry metalworking farming etc. the only exception would be the types of shows on pbs or networks. off hand also..... without serious analysis......treat video games with any violence like alcohol or tobacco. legal age with id to purchase. possession under the age of majority is illegal with the same consequences as alcohol and tobacco. i dunno. what do you think .

From : Annonymous

hey guys im looking for some advice from you wielding and body gurus. we have a old pontiac here in the garage that needs some new floor pans and rocker panels wielded in. the pans i know i can do no problem. its the rockers i have a question about. do i need to put something like 1x1 tube in some sort of x fashion to support the body from twisting when i cut the rockers out. i realize that i want to cut then wield one side at a time. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : tbone

on wed 04 oct 2006 203201 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... and in todays world where tech is cheep and is just about everywhere how exactly are you going to stop them most americans are far to wimpy to force it to stop. just an observation here.........werent you the one that just accussed someone else of over generalizing .

From : miles

peterdc100@yahoo.com wrote stock size is 245/75-16 if i go up a size to lets say 245/85-16s will i get better gas mileage in every single case i have ever put larger tires on the result was lower mpg. while the effective ratio should improve it the engine has to work harder to turn the larger tires. ive yet to see a case where it improved mpg. .

From : Annonymous

on wed 04 oct 2006 203334 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 142740 -0500 ray turner rayturner@coastline.org wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... i dont know what it is. i really dont. if it was just one or two things i would hope that we could have fixed it by now but maybe not. i think this is a really complex thing. i dont think that it is movies and video games though as much as the movies and video games that we see now are a symptom of the real problem. it is something deeper than that. empathy just doesnt seem to exist much. we dont give a shit about other people or other peoples pain. just ourselves. the symptoms appear in all places. we dont care about the plight of people in mexico so what that they cant make a decent living and cant provide for their families they have no business here. we dont care about the poor screw em right they can just go get a job. too bad for their kids. we dont care about the working blue collar workers i mean hell why should we have to support their retirement systems......they just be happy to have a job. we really dont care to solve any problems we just want to cut everyone off at the knees. i dont know what happened the past week is incredibly sick. words can not describe the selfishness and blackness of what happened. but i think that america has changed. the conservative fundamentalist movement has had an effect on the fiber of our feelings. or again maybe that movement is just another sympton of the real problem. whatever it is it is very sad. sometimes i think i am seeing the last bald eagle. very well said and i agree with all of it except for the plight of the people in mexico. i really dont give a rats about them when we have many in this country in the same situation. well...........i think that my point went right over your head tom. dont worry some of us got your point and agree with you. bg .

From : azwiley1

oooops i meant to say that the mechanic and what ive read on the web say that putting different coolant in there could still ba problem even after you flushed out the previous coolant... my experience was with gms dex something or other in a 94 vette. the story was ya couldnt mix the dexorange stuff with the green or yellow. also the dex stuff was causing problems with the heater/radiator. i think the deal was that it was plugging it. but everybody was dropping the orange flushing it and going to the green or yellow. no problems doing it. given the coolers that a vette has ya have to work to get it out. honestly id flush it good put in my favorite color and move on. i just changed the coolant in my wifes 98 intrepid what a pain in the ass that car is and it came with the orange stuff. many of the newer long term coolants say that they can be mixed with the green stuff but they dont recommend it because it would be very difficult to determine what your freeze protection would be. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

chris thompson wrote ridiculous!!!! drove by a fuel stop advertising all 4 fuels today in macon ga could not believe my eyes. us diesel guys are getting gouged in my opinion. 1.93 reg unleaded 2.03 mid grade unleaded 2.13 super unleaded 2.41 #2 diesel got to be kidding me! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. today gas here came down to $2.12. been around $2.18 for bout a week. diesel still around $2.56. scott .

From : tbone

miles wrote peterdc100@yahoo.com wrote stock size is 245/75-16 if i go up a size to lets say 245/85-16s will i get better gas mileage in every single case i have ever put larger tires on the result was lower mpg. while the effective ratio should improve it the engine has to work harder to turn the larger tires. ive yet to see a case where it improved mpg. what about going to a slightly taller tire that is lighter and more narrow like 235/85-16s i checked 225/85-16s but no one makes them. my current 245/75-16s weigh 53 pounds michelin the 235/85-16s weight 45 pounds continental. if not would at least this help us; go skinnier - what about going with 215/85-16s. its just about the same height less friction with the road and the tires weight about 18 pounds less than the stock tires. that should help with mpg right not always enough to see and you will notice a reduction in traction. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

a feeling the window of opportunity is closing fast. and what exactly would you do about it -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 323230 5tuug.1386$gl.1203@southeast.rr.com on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... and in todays world where tech is cheep and is just about everywhere how exactly are you going to stop them most americans are far to wimpy to force it to stop. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

stormin mormon wrote first throw out every valvoline oil you own. drain the truck. replace all above with castrol. my last truck castrol was the only brand that prevented rod knock. also a mechanic i trust very strongly says that valvoline oil doesnt maintain viscosity. hes had a couple cases where the customer comes in with no oil pressure. he replaces the oil with quaker state leaves filter on. and the oil pressure comes back. not trying to be a smartass here ... but if valvoline is really that bad do you think cummins would have partnered with them to create extreme blue its the oil that cummins recommends for all of its 5.9l crd engines. i realize that the ops truck is not a cummins but still ... as a side note ... ive had no problem with valvoline. 50k miles using extreme blue every 8k. pressure is good etc. craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : tbone

on tue 03 oct 2006 235411 +0000 theguy wrote i dont know what it is. i really dont. if it was just one or two things i would hope that we could have fixed it by now but maybe not. there was one study so far that found that kids that watched wrestling the hokey tv version were more likely to act-out violently. parents are frequently letting the tv set be the baby sitter - so think of the garbage they are seeing. this may be extreme but if we forced tv stations off the air for 12 hours a day id bet there would be a measurable decline in violence. in video games - we now have a video game now where kids can practice killing cops. what do you think is going to be the logical conclusion of this exercise basically there are no *enforced* ratings on these video games. im told that kids can pretty much get just about any level of violence they want. as you pointed out this is a complex problem but clearly video games and videos are a part of the problem. we had better act soon if we want to maintain our liberties and constitutionally guaranteed rights. i have a feeling the window of opportunity is closing fast. sometimes i think i am seeing the last bald eagle. sad to say you may be right. ok i know this is probably using logic but here is something about this all that i truly do not and will never understand. what the hell happen to the same rule of thumb that we all grew up with if you dont want to let your kid play a specific game or watch something on tv then dont. i think that it is pathetic that no one know how to say no any more. do you have kids it appears not. unless you keep them in your sight 24/7 how exactly are you going to stop them. these games are available just about everywhere. there really is no need for ratings on tv shows or video games they didnt exist when we were kids and i dont think any of us are homicidal maniacs. any self respecting parent has enough common sense or should to be able to figure out whether or not it is appropriate for their kid. easy to say not so easy to do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on tue 03 oct 2006 142740 -0500 ray turner rayturner@coastline.org wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 094828 -0700 mac davis wrote movies video games i think this 100% on the money. just about any movie and video game aimed at kids will have lots of explosions gunfights wrecked cars etc. not long ago some kids - in virginia i think - played a video game where the object of the game was shooting at cars. well......these kids got bored so they we to the interstate and started shooting at real cars and trucks with real guns. this is not a free speech issue. allowing these kids to have these ultra violent videos and watch violent movies is equilvalent to letting them sit down with a quart of whiskey. when you take poor impulse-control add booze or visual violence you have a real bad situation....... i dont know what it is. i really dont. if it was just one or two things i would hope that we could have fixed it by now but maybe not. i think this is a really complex thing. i dont think that it is movies and video games though as much as the movies and video games that we see now are a symptom of the real problem. it is something deeper than that. empathy just doesnt seem to exist much. we dont give a shit about other people or other peoples pain. just ourselves. the symptoms appear in all places. we dont care about the plight of people in mexico so what that they cant make a decent living and cant provide for their families they have no business here. we dont care about the poor screw em right they can just go get a job. too bad for their kids. we dont care about the working blue collar workers i mean hell why should we have to support their retirement systems......they just be happy to have a job. we really dont care to solve any problems we just want to cut everyone off at the knees. i dont know what happened the past week is incredibly sick. words can not describe the selfishness and blackness of what happened. but i think that america has changed. the conservative fundamentalist movement has had an effect on the fiber of our feelings. or again maybe that movement is just another sympton of the real problem. whatever it is it is very sad. sometimes i think i am seeing the last bald eagle. very well said and i agree with all of it except for the plight of the people in mexico. i really dont give a rats about them when we have many in this country in the same situation. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

more preaching i see. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving since the topic is off topic . . . . sodom and gomorrah werent much worse than what we have today imho. after all we have essentially the same moral values today as they did back then. so why is everyone so surprised at the murders rapes child molestations and so on -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : stormin mormon

tbone wrote some choose not to but many cannot afford to. that is a lame excuse. incredibly poor families can and do successfully raise their children. the ones that choose to that is. both my parents worked full time. they spent an incredible amount of time with us kids when not working. today they choose not too regardless of their income. more complete bullshit and a moronic generalization at that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on tue 03 oct 2006 030039 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote some choose not to but many cannot afford to. when both parents are working just to make ends meet it gets a little difficult to fit actual parenting in and then you can factor in the guilt of them knowing that they cannot be there when they should be it is not to hard to see why they coddle them more than they should. thats a damn good reason for birth control imho... i guess your idea might work. we will just eliminate the poor by preventing them form procreating and let them die off.and then give all of our low paying jobs to illegal immigrants. the only problem with that is everything. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote azwiley1 wrote or the really stupid thing to do is allow parents to be parents again! parents do not want to be parents. recently i was at a local mall on a 11pm. there were numerous groups of kids ages 10-14 unsupervised hanging out around the arcade and food court. 25 years ago this was unheard of at that age. when kids today get in trouble at school and are punished with detentions suspension etc. the parents then sue the school. the parents defend the childs actions letting the child no their bad behavior is acceptable or its not their fault. parents can be parents again. they just choose not too. some choose not to but many cannot afford to. when both parents are working just to make ends meet it gets a little difficult to fit actual parenting in and then you can factor in the guilt of them knowing that they cannot be there when they should be it is not to hard to see why they coddle them more than they should. no doubt in some cases both parents do have to work but around here i think both parents work largely so they can keep the bimmer and the suv in the garage of their 5000 sq. ft. home for the three of them and the summer house on the maine coast. im sure that this is true in some situations. then theres always the issue of women now doing what men have been doing for centuries hide out in the work place from family responsibilities! again im sure that in some situations that is the case. i really think a lot of parents should have opted for cats instead! once again i agree but i dont think that this is the majority. the sad thing is that in this world business doesnt give a rats ass about its employees and the employees know it and divert most of their attention to staying successful even at the expense of their families. what a sad situation. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

rochester ny area well over 2.50 so im with you. gouging! well actually taxation. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. ridiculous!!!! drove by a fuel stop advertising all 4 fuels today in macon ga could not believe my eyes. us diesel guys are getting gouged in my opinion. 1.93 reg unleaded 2.03 mid grade unleaded 2.13 super unleaded 2.41 #2 diesel got to be kidding me! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : tbone

its a good idea to spot check two lugs on each wheel. see if you can get em off with a hand wrench. cause thats what youll likely have with you when you get a flat tire. unless youre like me and always carry a breaker bar and deep impact socket. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. i hate touch pads! i asked the owner of the tire shop to be sure and have the lug nut torqued. he said no problem. they do it by hand. well i have been thinking about this since yesterday when they did it. the guy working on the truck cinches all the lugs with an air impact wrench i had the tires rotated too then goes around and checks the torque with a torque wrench. he didnt just snug it with the impact he tightened it all down. like i said. im no mechanic or tire guy. but this makes no sense to me. i think i should go home and loosen everything and re-torque according to the manual. what do you guys think ed dowdy fithian il .

From : Annonymous

yep the primary trait of the conservative party. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving youre lucky. our governor john huntsmanhas started an investigation as to why utah prices run so much higher than the national average . . . . but i think its just good old fashioned greed. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams we just got rid of those prices here. but my point was that diesel has only dropped 50 cent from the $3 mark. when reg unleaded has dropped under $2. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. around here moab ut reg is 2.67 and mid is 2.78. ya wanna swap prices -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323

From : mac davis

our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams ridiculous!!!! drove by a fuel stop advertising all 4 fuels today in macon ga could not believe my eyes. us diesel guys are getting gouged in my opinion. 1.93 reg unleaded 2.03 mid grade unleaded 2.13 super unleaded 2.41 #2 diesel got to be kidding me! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com . 222 323213 hvodncwwraagvb7ynz2dnuvztwdnz2d@comcast.com on tue 3 oct 2006 151252 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote i cant tell the difference in ride at 40 psi or 80 psi. on my 98 ram 1500 slt larime. i guess my ass is more sensitive than yours.g of greater concern is the stopping ability of your truck with the 80 pounds in the tires and m/t. you have a much smaller patch of rubber in contact with the road. roy oh shit... you going to get heated leather seats now bro gotta tell ya story bro. for me heated seats are dangerous. ive worked nights most of the past 30 years and never had a problem staying awake while driving. i had left the truck at home and taken sues eldo at about 330am on a cold feb. morning im driveing along and figure let me try these heated seats. 5 minutes later im thinking these are real nice sooo comfortable. 10 minutes later i catch myself nodding off. too comfortable. had the same thing happen a few weeks later. those were the only times i had ever nodded off while driving. never ever will you get me to use them again yup i do have a sensitive ass.g roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

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on tue 3 oct 2006 151252 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote i cant tell the difference in ride at 40 psi or 80 psi. on my 98 ram 1500 slt larime. i guess my ass is more sensitive than yours.g of greater concern is the stopping ability of your truck with the 80 pounds in the tires and m/t. you have a much smaller patch of rubber in contact with the road. roy oh shit... you going to get heated leather seats now bro mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

ridiculous!!!! drove by a fuel stop advertising all 4 fuels today in macon ga could not believe my eyes. us diesel guys are getting gouged in my opinion. 1.93 reg unleaded 2.03 mid grade unleaded 2.13 super unleaded 2.41 #2 diesel got to be kidding me! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : napalmheart

https//www.tiresavings.com/tireshop.phpaction=findman2&manufacturer=michelin&tirename=ltx+a%2fs&season= i own a set. i know what they do. great you know what is on your truck. too bad you didnt take the time to answer the two questions i asked. oh well seeing as you wont believe me how about you grabbing the little book you recieved when you bought your michelins. inside there is a 800#give it a call and ask what the recomended tire pressure should be with the truck m/t. the key is overinflated. the tires are not over-inflated; they are inflated to spec. really so it is your position that filling your tires to max air pressure and running the truck with no load does not present a over inflated condition with regard to braking and handling am i correct in my understanding roy .

From : bigironram

@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com now drivin a powerful made in canton miss. nissan titan! with dana axles! i believe the dodge axles are dana also. -- anthony they were in the 2500 and 3500s until 2002. with the new 2003 body also brought american axles. 1500s mostly use the the 9.25 corporate axle. good axle bad bearings. chevrolet has also had lots of problems with their 1500 trucks and vans bad bearings again. .

From : chris thompson

this is my boys truck. it has a small v-6 with probably 130k miles drinks oil regularly but he says he keeps up with it. last week he says he is driving it and all of a sudden it starts running rough backfires a few times and that all lasts about 20 seconds or so then smooths out and runs ok. yesterday he drives to work less than a mile and parks it in their garage. after work he starts the truck it runs for about 30 seconds then turned off like someone turned the key. now it turns over but wont start. no codes. he swears there is a half a tank of fuel. im going over on sat to look at it bringing a gas can. ill check for fuel delivery and spark any other suggestions hmmmmm.... reading over this for spelling errors and i detect an ever growing suspicion of timing chain issues original chain. anybody else think this way with so little to go on does this engine have clearance to turn over with a busted chain fmb north mexico drove down to concord to look at the truck. i had him price fuel pumps yesterday so he can have an idea what to expect today $175-$340. i first listened for fuel pump noise when the key was turned on. i didnt hear any but couldnt remember if i ever heard any. then we checked to see if it turned over ok and it did; just wouldnt start. i visually inspected the plug wires and some of them were out of the little u holders and had him try to restart no luck. next pulled the air cleaner and put 1/2 oz of fuel on the butterfly valves. he tried to start it and it didnt start. all the fuel was still sitting on the valves. i let some down and he turned it over and the engine started and ran for a few seconds. hmmmm..... fuel delivery problem. again i asked if there was fuel in the tank. yeah about 1/2 a tank. ok when we gave this truck to him it had a defective guage. it reads full for the first 50 miles or so then drops to empty. we guage when we need to buy fuel by how many miles we have on the trip meter. that has worked well for him and i for 5 years or so. how many miles on this tank about 170 and it should be able to go to 250 or so. i dumped a gallon of fuel into the tank some on the butterfly valve and started the truck. it ran for 15 sec or so and quit. a little more onto the butterfly and it started and ran fine. i dumped another gallon into the tank from my gas can. son drove to the gas pumps then to the parts store for a locking gas cap. thanks for the help guys. fmb north mexico just an update. son called late sat afternoon truck started stalling and running rough backfiring etc... again. so i went down on sunday checked plugs looked good replaced rotor and cap pulled and reseated connectors to the iac tps and map. started truck and it ran as rough as it has for the past 3-4 years. cleaned up and put the tools away. took it for a test drive and it made it to the end of his parking lot before dying. wouldnt restart. pulled the iac and it was black. cleaned it out really well with carb cleaner and also the carb while we were there but the carb looked pretty clean anyway. put it all together and it still ran like crap and died. the iac had no moving parts when i began cleaning it and shortly thereafter the shaft looking thing that goes out towards the tip would slide back into the iac housing housing = piece with the connector and spun also. the tip didnt move at all. the insides looked clean though. i had him buy a new iac monday and he put it in after he put in a new battery. battery in the truck was real old cant remember when it was replaced last. battery didnt help but after he put in the new iac it ran real good. he said it never ran that smooth since he known the truck. anyway test drive turned out well and i think im done with it for awhile. thanks for everyones thoughts. fmb north mexico .

From : bigironram

there was one study so far that found that kids that watched wrestling the hokey tv version were more likely to act-out violently. parents are frequently letting the tv set be the baby sitter - so think of the garbage they are seeing. this may be extreme but if we forced tv stations off the air for 12 hours a day id bet there would be a measurable decline in violence. when i grew up in the sixties the old people grown ups called it the boob tube. i didnt understand then but i do now. whether tv has gotten dumber or ive gotten smarter is hard to say but i now think the old people were being too polite. if it wasnt for my wife i wouldnt bother with a television set any more. dont misunderstand theres still some educational and good stuff on mostly pbs dont have cable or satellite sorry to say but the ratio of good to bad is far too low to make it worth having around. yes pbs is a excelent example of good tv. i love to let my oldest watch the programs on these networks such as pbs educational age appropiate and content appropriate. good stuff. i wasnt allowed to watch the three stooges or dennis the menace dad thought they were poor influences he was probably right. i remember concern about cartoons and childrens inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. i guess some had that problem. now we have very real characters acting out the most violent and graphic violence you can imagine. its got degrade your perception of whats acceptable and normal. what you might not see in several lifetimes is now common several times an hour in prime time. i dont allow my kids to watch stuff like the rug rats ren and stempy or even spounge bob. i find the humor and images in these cartoons too crude for young audiences. heck sometimes more times than not too crude for me even. i truely find it offensive what they pass off as a childs t.v. program now. on the other hand wheres the entertainment in normal boring everyday life who would watch that oh wait thats reality television isnt it yuck. i miss talent and variety shows... the only reality in the reality shows is the test of what some idiots will do to be on t.v. come on fear factor yea im damn scared to be in a box with a bunch of poisons snakes not because snakes scare me but because thats the dumbest idea i have ever heard of and i do not wish to die because of a venomous snake bite. sorry yall ill pass on being on that show. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : Annonymous

ok i know this is probably using logic but here is something about this all that i truly do not and will never understand. what the hell happen to the same rule of thumb that we all grew up with if you dont want to let your kid play a specific game or watch something on tv then dont. i think that it is pathetic that no one know how to say no any more. there really is no need for ratings on tv shows or video games they didnt exist when we were kids and i dont think any of us are homicidal maniacs. any self respecting parent has enough common sense or should to be able to figure out whether or not it is appropriate for their kid. for whatever reason you put me in mind of an old quote i thought it was by winston churchill but a little web research revealed i was wrong about the attribution; it was by king edward viii the thing that impresses me the most about america is the way parents obey their children. - king edward viii its much worse now. so not only are many parents shirking their responsibilities as parents theyre letting children raise themselves. .

From : bigironram

there was one study so far that found that kids that watched wrestling the hokey tv version were more likely to act-out violently. parents are frequently letting the tv set be the baby sitter - so think of the garbage they are seeing. this may be extreme but if we forced tv stations off the air for 12 hours a day id bet there would be a measurable decline in violence. when i grew up in the sixties the old people grown ups called it the boob tube. i didnt understand then but i do now. whether tv has gotten dumber or ive gotten smarter is hard to say but i now think the old people were being too polite. if it wasnt for my wife i wouldnt bother with a television set any more. dont misunderstand theres still some educational and good stuff on mostly pbs dont have cable or satellite sorry to say but the ratio of good to bad is far too low to make it worth having around. i wasnt allowed to watch the three stooges or dennis the menace dad thought they were poor influences he was probably right. i remember concern about cartoons and childrens inability to distinguish fantasy from reality. i guess some had that problem. now we have very real characters acting out the most violent and graphic violence you can imagine. its got degrade your perception of whats acceptable and normal. what you might not see in several lifetimes is now common several times an hour in prime time. on the other hand wheres the entertainment in normal boring everyday life who would watch that oh wait thats reality television isnt it yuck. i miss talent and variety shows... .

From : azwiley1

on tue 3 oct 2006 183123 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on tue 03 oct 2006 235411 +0000 theguy wrote i dont know what it is. i really dont. if it was just one or two things i would hope that we could have fixed it by now but maybe not. there was one study so far that found that kids that watched wrestling the hokey tv version were more likely to act-out violently. parents are frequently letting the tv set be the baby sitter - so think of the garbage they are seeing. this may be extreme but if we forced tv stations off the air for 12 hours a day id bet there would be a measurable decline in violence. in video games - we now have a video game now where kids can practice killing cops. what do you think is going to be the logical conclusion of this exercise basically there are no *enforced* ratings on these video games. im told that kids can pretty much get just about any level of violence they want. as you pointed out this is a complex problem but clearly video games and videos are a part of the problem. we had better act soon if we want to maintain our liberties and constitutionally guaranteed rights. i have a feeling the window of opportunity is closing fast. sometimes i think i am seeing the last bald eagle. sad to say you may be right. ok i know this is probably using logic but here is something about this all that i truly do not and will never understand. what the hell happen to the same rule of thumb that we all grew up with if you dont want to let your kid play a specific game or watch something on tv then dont. i think that it is pathetic that no one know how to say no any more. there really is no need for ratings on tv shows or video games they didnt exist when we were kids and i dont think any of us are homicidal maniacs. any self respecting parent has enough common sense or should to be able to figure out whether or not it is appropriate for their kid. good point larry but you have to be able or willing to be home to excercise that control in the first place. i have a friend who says his job is to be a parent before a friend. some truth to that. i dont know if children are the top priority with some parents which brings up back the comment several posts ago.........why dont you have to have a license to be a parent also as i have said too many times common sense isnt so common anymore. anyway this is a sad problem and im probably just depressing everyone with my negative wishing for the good old days stuff. .

From : Annonymous

around here moab ut reg is 2.67 and mid is 2.78. ya wanna swap prices -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams ridiculous!!!! drove by a fuel stop advertising all 4 fuels today in macon ga could not believe my eyes. us diesel guys are getting gouged in my opinion. 1.93 reg unleaded 2.03 mid grade unleaded 2.13 super unleaded 2.41 #2 diesel got to be kidding me! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

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From : beekeep

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From : roy

i cant tell the difference in ride at 40 psi or 80 psi. on my 98 ram 1500 slt larime. i guess my ass is more sensitive than yours.g you bet it is!!!! of greater concern is the stopping ability of your truck with the 80 pounds in the tires and m/t. you have a much smaller patch of rubber in contact with the road. roy stopping whats that -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : roy

do you know what kind coolant came with truck---regular green or ext-life orange/pink. im getting ready to flush/replace coolant after almost 4 years but not too many miles but the dodge shop doesnt know for sure what they put in last time. mac if memory serves me it should have green in it. i believe thats what they came with. on a side note that my leaving was a short leave wasnt it -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : stephen harding

some choose not to but many cannot afford to. then they cant afford to be parents either. cant take the time out of your life to raise a child dont have them. you took the words right out of my mouth!! here in ma a extremely liberal state by the way the welfare syatem is insane. i am so sick and tired of my tax dollars supporting some single mother and her kid. she wont or cant name the father so the state cant pursue support. then she has another and the cycle continues. when both parents are working just to make ends meet it gets a little difficult condoms are cheap... use em. im completely serious here... its gotten to the point where id almost i said almost be in favor of a license to procreate. im at that point as well. roy .

From : ray turner

a 83 series tires like a 235/83/r16 e will have less drag and rolling resistance than a 70 or 75 seris. ----------------- thesnoman.com where do you find a tire with an 83% aspect ratio or 83 series as you call it oh and while im asking questions.....you find that knock sensor yet just wondering. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : roy

your idea is sound but will be harder on equipment because of the gearing change. another way to save gas is to buy load range e tires. these tires can be inflated to 80 psi and then you will have less rolling resistance with the same gearing. remember the difference on a 10 speed bike between 60 psi tires and 100 psi tires if not go test a bike at a local bike shop - and really save some gas! stock size is 245/75-16 if i go up a size to lets say 245/85-16s will i get better gas mileage im not looking for much but if i have to change the tires why not move up to a size that might help. i dont tow i just carry tools and sometimes some job site materials concrete gravel etc. i know that increasing the unsprung wheel weight will hurt mpg so i want to go taller not wider i would love to buy lighter wheels but i think that would get too expensive. if you think otherwise please tell me where to get cheap light wheels still load d or e though. from http//www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html diameters stock is 30.5 in with 245/85-16s im running 32.4 in 6.3% increase and with toyo tires i gain 1 pound with 255/85-16s im running 33.1 8.5% increase - limited tire choice. i could also go with 17s they are all over ebay but i think ill gain more unsprung weight. of course im stuck with highway tires but thats fine. this is a work truck so i dont take it off road. i know the saying you bought a truck accept your mpg im not crazy about improving my mileage but when i have to replace a part i always try and upgrade it as best as possible. btw what highway tires do you recommend thanks .

From : chris thompson

on 3 oct 2006 071044 -0700 cnctool@naxs.com cnctool@naxs.com wrote i used to have a 1998 dodge ram 1500 quad cab 4x4. great truck but i traded it because of the infamouse rear end whine. the irony is the whine didnt start untill i changed the rear end oil. i used the dodge factory oil and the additive but the rear end went from quiet to pissing me off real quick. only 60k miles when it started. get on some of the dodge truck forums. you will find the dodge rear ends are prone to develop the rear end whine. most say even a professional rear end rebuild will not make the noise go away! just something about the dodge rear ends. now drivin a powerful made in canton miss. nissan titan! with dana axles! whenever my current dodge ram 1500 dies my next truck will be a 1 ton diesel with a full bed. i .

From : mac davis

on mon 2 oct 2006 171307 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! sue is a teacher. i asked if she wanted to take here 357 in the morning. seriously here they keep the schools pretty much secure. but no matter how secure you arent going to stop some sick sob. roy here the only hs we have has freaking metal detectors at all entrances and armed security guards. some of the schools up state have damn near prison style fencing around them. what happen to the days of a school yard fist fight with a winner and a loser ok.. im gonna be flamed for this but heres my take... movies video games and shit have changed our kids... heros in movies solve problems by blasting away with an uzi in each hand... they always hit what theyre aiming at and never get hit... or if they do its no big thing they just keep on shooting like nothing happened.. when i was a reserve cop i was always amazed at the kids in the er for gunshot wounds.. they mostly said the same thing i didnt think it would hurt this much... kids today dont get in each others face and punch it out they just drive by shooting... and the worst thing is that they have no friggin idea how to shoot or any practice so they usually hit more bystanders that anything.. we had a dispute between 2 gang members here in a local laundromat... should be easy because its open space and fairly small... one emptied a 45 the other blazed away with a 38... nobody got hit! sadly the world or at least this area would be a better place if they new how to shoot and killed each other... gun control is the ability to hit your target before it hits you mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm im amazed myself at the number of people who couldnt hit the broad side of a barn from 5 feet away. and i have to agree gun control is hitting what your aiming at. put a handgun in the hands of a person with no experience shooting and youd be amazed at what they cant hit at 10 feet. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : stephen harding

do you know what kind coolant came with truck---regular green or ext-life orange/pink. im getting ready to flush/replace coolant after almost 4 years but not too many miles but the dodge shop doesnt know for sure what they put in last time. .

From : mac davis

on mon 2 oct 2006 171307 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! sue is a teacher. i asked if she wanted to take here 357 in the morning. seriously here they keep the schools pretty much secure. but no matter how secure you arent going to stop some sick sob. roy here the only hs we have has freaking metal detectors at all entrances and armed security guards. some of the schools up state have damn near prison style fencing around them. what happen to the days of a school yard fist fight with a winner and a loser ok.. im gonna be flamed for this but heres my take... movies video games and shit have changed our kids... heros in movies solve problems by blasting away with an uzi in each hand... they always hit what theyre aiming at and never get hit... or if they do its no big thing they just keep on shooting like nothing happened.. when i was a reserve cop i was always amazed at the kids in the er for gunshot wounds.. they mostly said the same thing i didnt think it would hurt this much... kids today dont get in each others face and punch it out they just drive by shooting... and the worst thing is that they have no friggin idea how to shoot or any practice so they usually hit more bystanders that anything.. we had a dispute between 2 gang members here in a local laundromat... should be easy because its open space and fairly small... one emptied a 45 the other blazed away with a 38... nobody got hit! sadly the world or at least this area would be a better place if they new how to shoot and killed each other... gun control is the ability to hit your target before it hits you mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm im amazed myself at the number of people who couldnt hit the broad side of a barn from 5 feet away. and i have to agree gun control is hitting what your aiming at. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : napalmheart

tom lawrence wrote wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! i cant figure it out... the must be lying to us. i mean - schools are in gun-free zones. these kinds of things cant happen. it makes no sense. the only logical solution is to expand the gun-free zone to a mile radius. while were at it we should also ban staple guns from the art department grease guns from the auto shops caulk guns from the janitors closets and the letters g n and u from the kindergarten blackboards. fortunately here in northampton ma we have a violence free zone enacted by the city council so we dont have such problems. oops wait! its actually a domestic violence free zone. perhaps i do have to dust off the astra .30 auto after all. smh .

From : tom lawrence

on mon 02 oct 2006 230618 -0500 b.b. donotspamthegoat4@airmail.net.com.org.gov.tw.ch.ru wrote ignoramus16919 ignoramus16919@nospam.16919.invalid wrote just spoke to a friend of my wife who is a car mechanic who makes money by fixing cars. he mentioned that it could well be a tranny problem. he advised me that once shit starts on chryslers that it only gets worse and advised me to not do any repairs and to get rid of this truck as soon as possible. i am inclined to do just that. i youre probably in over your head on this if you havent narrowed it down between the transmission and rear yet. no offense intended its just you need to develop a better troubleshooting method and on a vehicle you need running isnt a pleasant place to learn. i think itd be worth your while to take it to the dealership to have them troubleshoot it and tell you whats making the noise. should only cost you an hour of labor or so. then youll know for sure whats wrong and wont be relying on guesses from people who havent seen the truck. that way you can make a sound decision. a reman transmission isnt terribly expensive to get and have installed; so if that turns out to be the solution i think it would be worthwhile unless you simply want a new vehicle. whatevers wrong its cheaper than a whole new or used truck unless you get a hell of a bargain. b.b. i will take my pickup to the dealer tomorrow at 7am. i will see what they say i will ask them to do a test drive. i .

From : miles

ok cant get the bypass tube out of the old water pump to put into the new one. tried heat - no joy. yeah that was a bitch on a friends 98 ram too. its pressed in with an o-ring. id try a pipe wrench on it try and get it to turn inside the pump to break loose the corrosion thats holding it in place. its too late now but there are aftermarket pumps available with a threaded hold for a threaded hose nipple which eliminates both the problem of re-using the old tube and the very good possibility of a leak when re-installing it. if the old pump is out and its trash anyway you could try splitting the neck where the tube presses in with a dremel. be careful not to cut too deep that you damage the tube. at worst case a new bypass tube is $10 from napa part# 6601692. dont drive yourself crazy... thats what i did. the cost of a new tube is small versus spending time getting the old one out plus risking that the old one will fail soon after the waterpump job is done. ken .

From : miles

ignoramus16919 ignoramus16919@nospam.16919.invalid wrote just spoke to a friend of my wife who is a car mechanic who makes money by fixing cars. he mentioned that it could well be a tranny problem. he advised me that once shit starts on chryslers that it only gets worse and advised me to not do any repairs and to get rid of this truck as soon as possible. i am inclined to do just that. i youre probably in over your head on this if you havent narrowed it down between the transmission and rear yet. no offense intended its just you need to develop a better troubleshooting method and on a vehicle you need running isnt a pleasant place to learn. i think itd be worth your while to take it to the dealership to have them troubleshoot it and tell you whats making the noise. should only cost you an hour of labor or so. then youll know for sure whats wrong and wont be relying on guesses from people who havent seen the truck. that way you can make a sound decision. a reman transmission isnt terribly expensive to get and have installed; so if that turns out to be the solution i think it would be worthwhile unless you simply want a new vehicle. whatevers wrong its cheaper than a whole new or used truck unless you get a hell of a bargain. -- b.b. --i am not a goat! thegoat4 at airmail dot net .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote or the really stupid thing to do is allow parents to be parents again! parents do not want to be parents. recently i was at a local mall on a 11pm. there were numerous groups of kids ages 10-14 unsupervised hanging out around the arcade and food court. 25 years ago this was unheard of at that age. when kids today get in trouble at school and are punished with detentions suspension etc. the parents then sue the school. the parents defend the childs actions letting the child no their bad behavior is acceptable or its not their fault. parents can be parents again. they just choose not too. some choose not to but many cannot afford to. when both parents are working just to make ends meet it gets a little difficult to fit actual parenting in and then you can factor in the guilt of them knowing that they cannot be there when they should be it is not to hard to see why they coddle them more than they should. kids having kids imo. roy .

From : miles

nursing school full time and even with all that she always found the time as hard as it was some times to be our my brother and i parent. now grant it neither of us are ever going to be president thank god but neither my brother or i have ever thougth about taking a gun to school nor are we drug addicts or otherwise in trouble with the law. i personnaly blame society as well as the govt for a lot of what is happening. lets remember the clintons and her ever so fucked up it takes a community to raise a child crap. not a real winner there in my book. as to society it seems that everyone want to put their noses in everyones life except in a time when it is really needed. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 323104 rnkug.104$fy.81@tornado.southeast.rr.com azwiley1 wrote or the really stupid thing to do is allow parents to be parents again! parents do not want to be parents. recently i was at a local mall on a 11pm. there were numerous groups of kids ages 10-14 unsupervised hanging out around the arcade and food court. 25 years ago this was unheard of at that age. when kids today get in trouble at school and are punished with detentions suspension etc. the parents then sue the school. the parents defend the childs actions letting the child no their bad behavior is acceptable or its not their fault. parents can be parents again. they just choose not too. some choose not to but many cannot afford to. when both parents are working just to make ends meet it gets a little difficult to fit actual parenting in and then you can factor in the guilt of them knowing that they cannot be there when they should be it is not to hard to see why they coddle them more than they should. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tom lawrence

wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! i cant figure it out... the must be lying to us. i mean - schools are in gun-free zones. these kinds of things cant happen. it makes no sense. the only logical solution is to expand the gun-free zone to a mile radius. while were at it we should also ban staple guns from the art department grease guns from the auto shops caulk guns from the janitors closets and the letters g n and u from the kindergarten blackboards. or the really stupid thing to do is allow parents to be parents again! .

From : azwiley1

sue is a teacher. i asked if she wanted to take here 357 in the morning. your wife is a law-abiding citizen roy. shes not allowed to protect herself when inside a school. after all theres no need to.... the law says no one can have guns in school. everyones perfectly safe. the sarcasm displayed here is a replacement for me beating my head against the wall.... repeatedly. but no matter how secure you arent going to stop some sick sob. yes you are... if youre willing to meet that sick mob with overwhelming force. when the kids start wielding deadly weapons were well beyond the point of time-outs and rehabilitation through positive reinforcement. .

From : roy

wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! i cant figure it out... the must be lying to us. i mean - schools are in gun-free zones. these kinds of things cant happen. it makes no sense. the only logical solution is to expand the gun-free zone to a mile radius. while were at it we should also ban staple guns from the art department grease guns from the auto shops caulk guns from the janitors closets and the letters g n and u from the kindergarten blackboards. .

From : miles

tbone wrote lol that is because most of the charges against them are politically motivated. like now .

From : tbone

tbone wrote oh i see only the well todo should be permitted to have children. so poor people should have 4 5 8 or more kids because the gov. will raise them and take care of them huh where exactly did i say that or is this just more right wing spin -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

so youre concerned over a matter of perspective. mexico isnt going to build it no money and it would make them be responsible for their poor and unemployed. -- budd cochran ill bet the east germans that wanted freedom thought that perspective was rather important. it was their own government shooting at them. ken .

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From : ray turner

budd cochran wrote so why is everyone so surprised at the murders rapes child molestations and so on true. most churches have lost their moral values as well. .

From : bdk

on mon 2 oct 2006 170613 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! it was definitely the ultimate in display of cowardice attacking a people that wont defend themselves. i doubt that any of it will ever make sense. beekeep .

From : roy

roy wrote kids having kids imo. yep and many parents today seem to think its the governments responsibility to raise their kids for them. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote some choose not to but many cannot afford to. that is a lame excuse. incredibly poor families can and do successfully raise their children. the ones that choose to that is. both my parents worked full time. they spent an incredible amount of time with us kids when not working. today they choose not too regardless of their income. .

From : azwiley1

on mon 2 oct 2006 031939 -0400 nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote john wrote 2003 quadcab 1500 - can anyone tell me which headlight bulb it uses choices are - h4 - h5/9004 - 9005/9006 - 9007 thanks! http//www.sylvania.com/consumerproducts/automotivelighting/lampreplacementguide/ excellent ken thanks a bunch. .

From : craig c

sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. i want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making various repairs to this truck over the years. i want to wish luck to all present owners of chrysler products. i .

From : bob m

i added about a 1/4 cup of mercon v atf to my ps reservoir. immediately realizing my mistake i siphoned out all of the ps fluid and atf in the reservoir and refilled it with ps fluid i then siphoned out all of the fluid again and refilled it a second time with ps fluid i then siphoned it one last time and refilled it again. is there anything else i should do or am i good to go thanks! joe .

From : rm v2 0

i wasnt even going to bring it up but now that you have this is clearly the problem with this idea. there are way too many people that boil over and would use the gun before they stopped to calm down. crime wouldnt go down it would go up. now theft and that stuff may go down but assault murder and that stuff would go way up. bbzzzzzzzzzzzttt! wrong statistics from every area that ccw is allowed show that crime has gone down. ccw holders have a very very low rate of incidents using their weapons in a criminal act compared to non ccw holders. .

From : rm v2 0

i found a reasonable price on a cd bill is there anywhere pages from dodge ram service manuals could be downloaded thanks bill .

From : rm v2 0

on fri 13 oct 2006 035752 gmt daskel yea@sure.com wrote alt.found.on.road.dead found a set of 4 winter wheels that came off my lightning. forgot i had themwere at a friendsgotta sell them need a ford ford ng. that is active. tia roy alt.fixor.repair.daily mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : Annonymous

go away jerky the untold truth every american & citizen of the world must read this! this will answer every question you never knew about the government corruption and the power of money and who controls it and the u.s. government! forward this to your friends and post it to groups and blogs to expose the truth my fellow americans this is a 100% factual email all the statements and quotations are 100% accurate and verified this is not a conspiracy email or anything of the matter and is definitely not for profit. this is the most important email you will ever receive and change your life and forever. please read this email in its entirety before clicking any of the links to completely understand the situation the united states and the world faces. the primary reason for this email is to expose to you the truth of this country including all the wars from wwi to iraq and the entire financial system from the stock market to the federal reserve. you will only receive this information one time. make sure you save it and share it with your neighbors and family so they can understand the real truth of the greatest nation in the world. this is what you never learned in school and was never supposed too. because as thomas jefferson said if the american people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency first by inflation then by deflation the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... the issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people to whom it properly belongs. -thomas jefferson first of all i will explain myself; i am not a democrat or a republican. im an american with just as much patriotism and pride as the soldiers in iraq right now. all my family has been in the military including myself and believed in this nation and our people since before the civil war. but i feel it is my obligation to expose the real truth of america and the international bankers with the motivation behind the government and the federal reserve ever since woodrow wilson http//www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.aspid=153 had his election paid for by the rothchilds http//www.robertmasters.co.uk/pdffiles/heritagetherothschilds.pdf#search=rothchilds sons and passed the federal reserve system in 1913 http//www.tysk.com/depts/taxes/fedbankingfraud.htm and they have remained in full control of the united states and europe for almost 100 years until now. these are the few men that own the world governments wall street and control our daily lives for the one thing ever one wants money. the less money you have in society the more the demand is and with a small squeeze on the markets this is what caused the great depression and the recessions in mexico and japan for 12 years. also were all human beings; our primary goal in our genetic blueprint is to survive at whatever cost. and if money is our survival tool that is why so many people go to jail just trying to feed their starving children and the people who have money or a lot of credit cards are obese. so is it fair this tool be used to separate us all between rich and poor while wipping out the middle class while some children are going to bed on a full stomach while others are watching their own children starve when you give them a kiss to go to sleep at night. rich kids are not better than poor kids children are children in gods eyes and they all want to be loved regardless of their environment or a good or bad parent. rich parents just have less stress than poor parents which creates more opportunity for rich kids. were all a product of our environment whether it is good or bad. this is just another division they have created in society to separate us. most states have now turned over prison systems to private corporations and they are running call centers order taking even small factories etc. out of them what does this do it creates a circumstance where you have a lot of people in jail the corporations make massive amounts of money for housing them and they are perceived to be bad people to society like they got what they deserved true in some cases while at the sametime we make a work force like china has and how it took away american jobs using slave labor tactics. dont get me wrong i am not promoting criminal activity in any way i am merely making a point because now that you know the truth you can understand why violence is on the rise. let me ask you this a rich kid goes to harvard then becomes a officer in the military and a lifer and a poor kid enlists right out of high school as a enlistee will he / she ever have the same opportunity as the officer that went to college for four years then enlisted he never will period nor the benefits. why do you think they call your house every single day and stalk your children down in high school so they can get them

From : Annonymous

glock. model 22 or 23. .40. springfield xd .45acp. sadly im not allowed to protect myself outside my own property here in nj. oh well... i dont go out much anyway .

From : mac davis

on mon 9 oct 2006 084802 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote just curious.... is christianity a religion i thought it was a belief that was shared by several religions... one must remember that for a proof to be acceptable to a person the mind of that person must be open to having their preconceptions revised. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams john kunkel wrote irrelevant lets start by assuming the bible is accurate historically and scientifically. assume all you want cite all the websites and literature that you want but the simple fact is there is no acceptable proof. if thats how youre going to look at it then everything in life is assumed. no one can prove or ever will prove the big bang. anyway... most of the bible has been proven historically accurate; it is even used as a historical authority. a lot of the other events cant be proven due to the divine nature of god. for example science cannot prove that jesus turned water into wine because it was a miracle; there simply is no scientific explanation. more later when i have more time... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : miles

i was backing out of the garage the other day you know like in a hurry! and well .. i clipped my mirror!! and so they want $200 for a new one. it seemed a bit expensive to me so i wanted to find out how i could fix it myself when i came across this webpage check it out. http//www.ucanfix.com/mirror/ .

From : roy

god i hope so!!! left left left right left i never could figure out how to take 3 steps with my left leg to every 1 step with the right...guess thats why i didnt go into the military gbfg -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : azwiley1

see http//inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=311 for specific details and pictures. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : chris thompson

looks like the speed sensor i have does not match what autozone says it should be. mine has an ear for a bolt to hold it and a gasket around the body that goes into the hole. autozone part has thread and no ear for the bolt. anyone has a good suggestion for a reputable website selling those replacement rear speed sensors perhaps one that would take my vin number i took mine out briefly yesterday and to my further upset saw relatively large 1-2mm metal shavings stuck on it. i on sat 07 oct 2006 224706 gmt peter grey pgrey@earthlink.net wrote so a mechanic did some work on my dodge rear diff. after that a speed sensor on the rear diff failed on the same day. so did it work when you brought the truck to them and not work when you left or did it fail later the same day if its the former you might have a logical leg to stand on if the latter i dont see how you can prove it was the mechanics fault nor do i think youll do well in court. assuming the scenario where the sensor failed later in the day and given the fact that these things fail with regularity i dont see how you can say with any certainty that your mechanic caused the problem. if its thirty bucks and five minutes just fix the thing and get on with your life. why waste time on something as trivial as this if youre uncomfortable with these folks just dont use them again. peter .

From : mac davis

on sat 7 oct 2006 140422 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on 7 oct 2006 082258 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii .45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. ok now that would be a real gun. no argument here. what you two should do is go to the dark side like the rabbit aqnd i. get a ar scope a few 30 roung mags and go play. vbg roy you got a 3rd pants leg that you carry that in nah this is a therapy thing. but if ya need to carry it ya wont be concealing it.g a 9mm is a lot easier to conceal bro... the sig 239 is easier and has a heck of a bigger punch. roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on sat 7 oct 2006 093327 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on fri 6 oct 2006 103234 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote no but that just means that i wouldnt... the next person asked might have a different answer though.. then how can you judge me for my willingness to die for my beliefs when you have no idea of my devotion to them grow up budd... #1 who is judging you... #2 who denies the fact or cares that youd die for your beliefs #3 what can it possibly matter what other people think of your beliefs imo there are 2 types of religious folks... those that are firm enough in their beliefs to not feel attacked and paranoid about them and those that wear it on their sleeves like a badge and march in their own parades all day.. mac i like parades! too much time in the army larry... youll get over it soon.. *g* mac god i hope so!!! left left left right left https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on sat 07 oct 2006 075837 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote mac davis wrote guns and ammo are illegal in mx and possession is a felony... thats true. what about hunters still even with some of the worlds strictest gun laws mx has some of the highest gun crime rates. the mafia does not care about any gun laws. no idea in other areas of mxbut in baja california n its a felony to transport guns or ammo and im pretty sure also a felony to possess them... i decided not to take a chance and told the kids that they could come pick up the guns if they didnt fight over them... the last thing i want to do is get caught with a gun there... they can supposedly confiscate your land and deport you... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on sat 7 oct 2006 140422 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on 7 oct 2006 082258 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii .45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. ok now that would be a real gun. no argument here. what you two should do is go to the dark side like the rabbit aqnd i. get a ar scope a few 30 roung mags and go play. vbg roy you got a 3rd pants leg that you carry that in a 9mm is a lot easier to conceal bro... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : stormin mormon

okay last week end ya ended up having to buy dinner. so this weekend how about we go for a couple of before dinner drinks or ya could just jump on the wagon as the pats squish the fish.bfg choice is yours just trying to help ya out.g roy i just got home and saw this so i suppose youre gonna really bitch if i take you up on the bet if you spot me two tds huh..... thats what i thought....... vbg denny .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 1059 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote some of the younger guys are getting into the family life. im in the middle too young to be mature too old to be daddy life is good ;- at 36 im still in the middle as well. although ... im really starting to feel old lately. i dont shake hangovers like i use to. - normal customers in whats supposed to be the smoking area. if you cant see us just listen for the gunfire ;- lol! - bics is still at midway and keller springs craig c. .

From : craig c

on oct 7 1038 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote yep that was me. next meeting is a week from today at 900 am. ill *try* to make it. it would be great to put a face with a name. saturday mornings are usually tough after a 50+ hour work week 9 credit hours and a girlfriend. friday night is usually my night to drink away my stress. makes getting up early saturday morning a bit of a challenge. however this would be an opportunity for me to show off the purtiest dodge truck in texas. - craig c. youll have competition pretty stiff competition - were all nuts about our trucks. mines heavily bombed for towing. some of the others...pheww...if they show up never can tell who is and isnt going to make it. some of the older guys are giving up rving for health reasons some of the younger guys are getting into the family life. im in the middle too young to be mature too old to be daddy life is good ;- seriously wed love to have you come on down breakfast at 900 dont have to be alert until afterwards for the bs session. some even come late...youll find us on the west side in the back apart from all the normal customers in whats supposed to be the smoking area. if you cant see us just listen for the gunfire ;- lol! .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 1038 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote yep that was me. next meeting is a week from today at 900 am. ill *try* to make it. it would be great to put a face with a name. saturday mornings are usually tough after a 50+ hour work week 9 credit hours and a girlfriend. friday night is usually my night to drink away my stress. makes getting up early saturday morning a bit of a challenge. however this would be an opportunity for me to show off the purtiest dodge truck in texas. - craig c. .

From : craig c

joe brophy wrote on sat 07 oct 2006 000148 gmt paddy oday paddy oday@pgh.net wrote lets start by assuming the bible is accurate by making this assumption you render everything else you say ignorant superstition and down right lies. if you took the time to research how the bible was put together you would know this. jesus preached love tolerance and forgiveness. why do so many so called christians preach nothing but hate intolerance and damnation jam very simply we know that this is the morally correct thing to do and it is our duty as citizens of the greatest nation on earth to represent it in that way. we shoulder this burden accepting the ridicule of those whose beliefs fall short of knowing the right way as a necessary sacrifice along with other sacrifices such as not being able to afford to go to the doctor. it is just the right thing to do. understand now joe. umm no. jam .

From : chris thompson

on fri 06 oct 2006 183438 gmt craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote beekeep wrote what i dont understand is why nobody has told him to shut the fuck up! youre kidding me right - craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. everyone here that has told him has done so too politely. some people wont listen until you get nasty and tell them in a way they can understand. beekeep .

From : craig c

on oct 7 819 am chris thompson kf4drr-nos...@alltel.net wrote royon this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. and you would 100% correct chris. if you look at the crime rates on these two charts the blue one is much easier on the eyes you will note that there is a huge reduction in crime especially violent crime starting in 1996. which coincidentally is the year that it was legal for peoperly trained licenced texas residents to start carrying a handgun. http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm the instituting of the concealed handgun law was a come to jesus for most would-be criminals. sorry to post off subject ... but i figured some actual facts may help you. that is my point. if everybody who did carry did so the crime rate would be waay down. roy here in az we have an open carry law. there is no requirement for a license or permit as long as it is not concealed. you still need a ccw permit to carry concealed. to buy one here is rather easy be a legal resident or in the military with orders permanantly assigning you to the state. most people from sierra vista and south all the border towns carry and the crime rate for things like armed robbery shootings etc is rather low. our biggest crime rate stems from meth use/production. so yes your threory and logic hold great marret and can work. roy craig c. .

From : Annonymous

mac davis wrote weve got a court case going on now in central ca where a deputy sheriff didnt lock up his service revolver at home... his 4 yr old daughter was playing with it and blew away a neighbor kid... hes facing some serious time for that one.... that type of responsibility is very understandable. securing weapons of any kind from kids in the home is essential. thats different from people who break into a home and use a weapon found there. if the latter is an issue then one must also keep all knives and any other weapon locked away. hmm...maybe lock the house locks are there to keep honest people honest. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : tom lawrence

carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote in on the flip side...i think the majority of under 25 year olds need the military for at least 2 years. too many of these punk kids think they have the world by the tail. a stint in the military might give them a little more respect for everyone. actually its their parents that need a kick in the ass. the kids got the attitude from them... .

From : roy

so a mechanic did some work on my dodge rear diff. after that a speed sensor on the rear diff failed on the same day. so did it work when you brought the truck to them and not work when you left or did it fail later the same day if its the former you might have a logical leg to stand on if the latter i dont see how you can prove it was the mechanics fault nor do i think youll do well in court. assuming the scenario where the sensor failed later in the day and given the fact that these things fail with regularity i dont see how you can say with any certainty that your mechanic caused the problem. if its thirty bucks and five minutes just fix the thing and get on with your life. why waste time on something as trivial as this if youre uncomfortable with these folks just dont use them again. peter .

From : azwiley1

on sat 7 oct 2006 140422 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on 7 oct 2006 082258 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii .45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. ok now that would be a real gun. no argument here. what you two should do is go to the dark side like the rabbit aqnd i. get a ar scope a few 30 roung mags and go play. vbg already there but its an m4 for me. same deal really. yup sadly ya cant buy a m4 here. roy roy craig c. .

From : Annonymous

azwiley1 wrote roy here in az we have an open carry law. there is no requirement for a license or permit as long as it is not concealed. thats true but businesses can ban guns concealed or not from being brought inside. if in a car the gun must be locked and secured. so that means the open carry law applies to people just walking in the open or on their own property. i am not sure about that part about being locked and secure in a car. i carry open all the time i have even been stopped pulled a ny stop and cop saw it and he never said anything about it. i did tell him i was carrying. .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote roy here in az we have an open carry law. there is no requirement for a license or permit as long as it is not concealed. thats true but businesses can ban guns concealed or not from being brought inside. if in a car the gun must be locked and secured. so that means the open carry law applies to people just walking in the open or on their own property. .

From : azwiley1

on oct 7 1129 am hone...@radix.net beekeep wrote everyone here that has told him has done so too politely. some people wont listen until you get nasty and tell them in a way they can understand. agreed. being one of the people that has told him to shut the fuck up for christs sake ... i can tell you he doesnt understand that either. in fact it empowers him. reasoning isnt his strong point. therefore i am dealing with the way stormin mormans sigs says you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. craig c. .

From : roy

on sat 7 oct 2006 093453 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on oct 7 927 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. i seem remember something about this. tragic. i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. - you didnt take any shots at me. i didnt vote for ann richards ... i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. roy i carry a sig 229 357 but think i will have to get rid of it now that i know roy carries a sig too. bg well..........in spite of that..........sig is a good gun and the sig 357 is a round that can get the job done quite nicely. i am actually a glock theguy not trying to start a beef there are other excellent guns out there but i like the round. glock has a model too. i still think that the 45 is the best all around round and the 45 gap is probably the best of all although it would hard to push the acp out........its just been around too long. but they are all fun to play with except the 9mm which is simply too puny to be fun. only drawback to the 357 sig is the flip. once you get use to it your okay but at first... roy craig c. .

From : azwiley1

on sat 7 oct 2006 093453 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote on oct 7 927 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. i seem remember something about this. tragic. i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. - you didnt take any shots at me. i didnt vote for ann richards ... i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. roy i carry a sig 229 357 but think i will have to get rid of it now that i know roy carries a sig too. bg well..........in spite of that..........sig is a good gun and the sig 357 is a round that can get the job done quite nicely. i am actually a glock theguy not trying to start a beef there are other excellent guns out there but i like the round. glock has a model too. i still think that the 45 is the best all around round and the 45 gap is probably the best of all although it would hard to push the acp out........its just been around too long. but they are all fun to play with except the 9mm which is simply too puny to be fun. craig c. .

From : beekeep

on oct 7 927 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. i seem remember something about this. tragic. i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. - you didnt take any shots at me. i didnt vote for ann richards ... i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. roy i carry a sig 229 357 but think i will have to get rid of it now that i know roy carries a sig too. bg craig c. .

From : azwiley1

on fri 6 oct 2006 103234 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote no but that just means that i wouldnt... the next person asked might have a different answer though.. then how can you judge me for my willingness to die for my beliefs when you have no idea of my devotion to them grow up budd... #1 who is judging you... #2 who denies the fact or cares that youd die for your beliefs #3 what can it possibly matter what other people think of your beliefs imo there are 2 types of religious folks... those that are firm enough in their beliefs to not feel attacked and paranoid about them and those that wear it on their sleeves like a badge and march in their own parades all day.. mac i like parades! https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : miles

on sat 7 oct 2006 140422 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on 7 oct 2006 082258 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii .45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. ok now that would be a real gun. no argument here. what you two should do is go to the dark side like the rabbit aqnd i. get a ar scope a few 30 roung mags and go play. vbg already there but its an m4 for me. same deal really. roy craig c. .

From : chris thompson

theguy@whatever.net wrote on fri 6 oct 2006 180325 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote azwiley1 wrote has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! has anything beat one of the k&n threads this one might it certainly has potential id say about 97% more. wouldnt that be a 50% increase in b.s. -- ken .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote miles i was correct here is a link. now i also know that at least in az a lot of cities and counties have stricter laws then the state as an example i can not openly carry in tucson any longer and tombstone is still a gun free city. i glanced around and did find that national parks and national forest service land have their own set of laws. in parks any gun must not be loaded and must be out of reach of any vehicle occupants. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote i am not sure about that part about being locked and secure in a car. i carry open all the time i have even been stopped pulled a ny stop and cop saw it and he never said anything about it. i did tell him i was carrying. my understanding of az laws are that a gun in a car must be secured and locked. hunting rifles for instance must have trigger locks and be stored in a secure rack or case. the rifles can not be sitting lose in the vehicle. damn id be in trouble. my rifles usually only see a towel or old blanket for transport. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : nosey

azwiley1 wrote miles i was correct here is a link. now i also know that at least in az a lot of cities and counties have stricter laws then the state as an example i can not openly carry in tucson any longer and tombstone is still a gun free city. http//www.packing.org/state/arizona/#statecarlaw interesting. maybe county and city laws are what ive seen talked about. or certain national forest laws. .

From : roy

azwiley1 wrote i am not sure about that part about being locked and secure in a car. i carry open all the time i have even been stopped pulled a ny stop and cop saw it and he never said anything about it. i did tell him i was carrying. my understanding of az laws are that a gun in a car must be secured and locked. hunting rifles for instance must have trigger locks and be stored in a secure rack or case. the rifles can not be sitting lose in the vehicle. .

From : roy

theguy@whatever.net wrote on fri 6 oct 2006 180325 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote azwiley1 wrote has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! has anything beat one of the k&n threads this one might it certainly has potential id say about 97% more. -- ken .

From : azwiley1

on 7 oct 2006 082258 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii .45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. ok now that would be a real gun. no argument here. what you two should do is go to the dark side like the rabbit aqnd i. get a ar scope a few 30 roung mags and go play. vbg roy craig c. .

From : azwiley1

on oct 7 953 am roy r...@home.net wrote i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. we always have from what i recall. in fact we other things in common too ... 1 we are both posting off topic. sorry i couldnt resist - sorry pal but this thread from the start the subject started ot glad to see your learning.vbg roy 2 i aim with one eye as well. sorry i couldnt resist - me ... im a s&w model 910 9mm 147 gr hollow point. splat craig c. .

From : miles

azwiley1 wrote roy here in az we have an open carry law. there is no requirement for a license or permit as long as it is not concealed. thats true but businesses can ban guns concealed or not from being brought inside. if in a car the gun must be locked and secured. so that means the open carry law applies to people just walking in the open or on their own property. i am not sure about that part about being locked and secure in a car. i carry open all the time i have even been stopped pulled a ny stop and cop saw it and he never said anything about it. i did tell him i was carrying. miles i was correct here is a link. now i also know that at least in az a lot of cities and counties have stricter laws then the state as an example i can not openly carry in tucson any longer and tombstone is still a gun free city. http//www.packing.org/state/arizona/#statecarlaw .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 1025 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote roy ohhh groan...beaming. stole that one from budd you did! do you still meetup at bics you are the one that emailed me that time about you and some other dodge fanatics meeting arent you craig c. yep that was me. next meeting is a week from today at 900 am. .

From : craig c

on oct 7 1025 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote roy ohhh groan...beaming. stole that one from budd you did! do you still meetup at bics you are the one that emailed me that time about you and some other dodge fanatics meeting arent you craig c. .

From : Annonymous

on oct 7 1012 am the...@whatever.net wrote craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg well ... not if you aim properly. - however i am looking at upgrading to a kimber stainless ultra carry ii ..45 acp. i rented one at the local shooting range and it made the most beautiful 2 inch pattern @ 7 yards. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! vbfg wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! got a ways to go before we approach the torque wrench debates! im still beaming over that one.g roy ohhh groan...beaming. stole that one from budd you did! .

From : Annonymous

on sat 7 oct 2006 111035 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! vbfg wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! got a ways to go before we approach the torque wrench debates! im still beaming over that one.g roy yeah but give this one time. it really looks like it has some legs under it. .

From : roy

on sat 07 oct 2006 075345 -0700 mac davis mac@bajadavis.com wrote on sat 7 oct 2006 091914 -0400 chris thompson kf4drr-nospam@alltel.net wrote have you ever seen the bumper sticker outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns think about it. it seems that is where you are going. roy on this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. i only have 2 problems with that both from bad personal experiences so i cant be objective non-certified crazies would be legally carrying too... you dont have to be legally crazy to have a low boiling point and figure that shooting someone is less work than kicking their ass... i wasnt even going to bring it up but now that you have this is clearly the problem with this idea. there are way too many people that boil over and would use the gun before they stopped to calm down. crime wouldnt go down it would go up. now theft and that stuff may go down but assault murder and that stuff would go way up. a whole lot of people have been killed with their own guns because they were dumb enough despite training to pull it out and not fire... easy to put holes in paper targets not everyone can shoot a person... thats probably a good thing those pictures of 90 year old grandmas toting 357s scare the shit out of me!! mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

on 7 oct 2006 080111 -0700 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote on oct 7 953 am roy r...@home.net wrote i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. we always have from what i recall. in fact we other things in common too ... 1 we are both posting off topic. sorry i couldnt resist - 2 i aim with one eye as well. sorry i couldnt resist - me ... im a s&w model 910 9mm 147 gr hollow point. splat craig c. glock. model 22 or 23. .40. craig you need a liitle more fire power there like a .40 and then a real gun to put it in vbg .

From : miles

has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! vbfg wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! got a ways to go before we approach the torque wrench debates! im still beaming over that one.g roy .

From : craig c

on fri 06 oct 2006 175327 gmt honeybs@radix.net beekeep wrote on fri 6 oct 2006 100628 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote in light of the shit going on in the world today. does this country need to bring back the draft yes or no and why. roy most definately! look back at nam many a boy got through college just to be defered from the draft. a couple of years of service for ones country for both men and women wouldnt be a bad idea as well. beekeep that reminds me of something a friend told us when our son was considering going into the army bk... hes retired navy/coast guard and his little pearl of wisdom was that if a kid has no real plans for college or career the military is an excellent finishing school mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

mac davis wrote weve got a court case going on now in central ca where a deputy sheriff didnt lock up his service revolver at home... his 4 yr old daughter was playing with it and blew away a neighbor kid... hes facing some serious time for that one.... that type of responsibility is very understandable. securing weapons of any kind from kids in the home is essential. thats different from people who break into a home and use a weapon found there. if the latter is an issue then one must also keep all knives and any other weapon locked away. hmm...maybe lock the house .

From : mac davis

on oct 7 953 am roy r...@home.net wrote i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. we always have from what i recall. in fact we other things in common too ... 1 we are both posting off topic. sorry i couldnt resist - 2 i aim with one eye as well. sorry i couldnt resist - me ... im a s&w model 910 9mm 147 gr hollow point. splat craig c. .

From : mac davis

on sat 7 oct 2006 091024 -0500 bigironram bigironram@aol.com wrote that if all the restrictions were a good idea the police would also subscribe to them. for instance keeping their service revolver locked in the trunk while on patrol. weve got a court case going on now in central ca where a deputy sheriff didnt lock up his service revolver at home... his 4 yr old daughter was playing with it and blew away a neighbor kid... hes facing some serious time for that one.... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

mac davis wrote guns and ammo are illegal in mx and possession is a felony... thats true. what about hunters still even with some of the worlds strictest gun laws mx has some of the highest gun crime rates. the mafia does not care about any gun laws. .

From : miles

stormin mormon wrote a bible believing christian with his finger on the nuke button somehow that should scare some people and reassure others. that it does. the vast majority of wars throughout the history of the world were fought over religion. .

From : mac davis

stormin mormon wrote and then keep talking with those who are interested. maybe but thats not what happens. religious fanatics shout to anyone who is not interested even when told to go away. .

From : mac davis

has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! vbfg wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! got a ways to go before we approach the torque wrench debates! .

From : miles

read it and youre not really helping at all roy. for one thing youve been as antagonistic towards me as the rest of them at times and tigers dont change their stripes. your are wrong. i havent been antagonistic towards you at all. pal you really dont want me antagonistic towards you. in fact i really havent been antaonistic towards anybody yet. although snoman it starting to get my attention. you are correct what you get is what you continue to get with me. i sort of react to folks. no agenda or anything. perhaps if you dropped your agenda things would be better for you. roy -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams yes it is. funny how you all blame me but refuse to accept responsibility for your own parts in it. budd read me post above in this thread. roy go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote oh poor budd abused and bruised. why do you insist on being a victim even though you do nothing but attack others for their views if you refuse to respect others then you will never have their respect. if you wish to spread your religion then youve got to first earn respect. its not free and it cant be gained through attack. same well same water. roy -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

on sat 7 oct 2006 091914 -0400 chris thompson kf4drr-nospam@alltel.net wrote have you ever seen the bumper sticker outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns think about it. it seems that is where you are going. roy on this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. i only have 2 problems with that both from bad personal experiences so i cant be objective non-certified crazies would be legally carrying too... you dont have to be legally crazy to have a low boiling point and figure that shooting someone is less work than kicking their ass... a whole lot of people have been killed with their own guns because they were dumb enough despite training to pull it out and not fire... easy to put holes in paper targets not everyone can shoot a person... thats probably a good thing those pictures of 90 year old grandmas toting 357s scare the shit out of me!! mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on oct 7 927 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. i seem remember something about this. tragic. i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. - you didnt take any shots at me. i didnt vote for ann richards ... i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ... road rage incident. look out we have things in common. g sig239 357 or 40 as the mood hits. roy craig c. .

From : miles

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. roy how would that help if its subjected to all the restrictions youve listed two separate things. i related the law it is foolish but still enforcible. most ignore it. sorry i saw another post later where you clarified you were stating a law rather than advocating a position. definately not advocating that position am in violation of it constantly. when i am home unlocked out of the house on me. if that was a good idea wouldnt the police also subscribe to these measures what that if everybody who could carry did that if all the restrictions were a good idea the police would also subscribe to them. for instance keeping their service revolver locked in the trunk while on patrol. ma is very liberal but has the most restrictive gun laws going. to the point that a lot of gun makers refuse to make a weapon that is ma compliant. great state for schools and jobs but i want out for retirement. roy .

From : mac davis

on sat 7 oct 2006 085230 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote have you ever seen the bumper sticker outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns think about it. it seems that is where you are going. roy it is where im going bro... rofl guns and ammo are illegal in mx and possession is a felony... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : craig c

on the drivers side engine compartment black box with relays in it. check the asd relayauto shut down. look at the number on it i think it is the same as the horn relay if so swithch them. note im no mechanic- -just guessing. rogerx on fri 06 oct 2006 120336 -0400 gls lgsullivan625@aol.com wrote hello i have a 97 4x4 1500 with a 5.9 v8. the truck was idling fine and just shut off and wont start again. checked for spark and have none. checked for current going to coil and have none. battery is fine. checked fuse box all seem to be fine. what could be the problem if its the crank sensor is there a way to test it what else can i check .

From : mac davis

on fri 06 oct 2006 174305 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote budd cochran wrote for one thing youve been as antagonistic towards me as the rest of them at times and tigers dont change their stripes. you yourself are not innocent in any way. if you dish it expect it back. sorta like not casting the 1st stone especially if ya live in a glass house... good on ya miles.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 927 am bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. i seem remember something about this. tragic. i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. - you didnt take any shots at me. i didnt vote for ann richards .... i carry a handgun with me at all times and believe that all good citizens should. in fact having it very likely saved my life once ...road rage incident. craig c. .

From : mac davis

on fri 06 oct 2006 173709 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote tbone wrote if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. thats absurd. if someone breaks into a house steals a gun that didnt have a trigger lock on it and commits a crime then the house owner is party responsible the only cases where your logic may apply is when kids in a family get a parents gun that was not secured. put it into the same box with attractive nuisance law suits... if you forget to lock the usually required by law gate around your swimming pool and some kid comes into your yard gets in the pool and drowns you are liable.. forget that they came on your property without permission and trespassed in your pool... still your fault.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on fri 06 oct 2006 180821 gmt honeybs@radix.net beekeep wrote on fri 06 oct 2006 132945 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote usually the one who starts it gets the blame and many in here have asked you to stop preaching and to have some tolerance for others beliefs and you refuse to do both. sorry budd but you are not the victim here you are the cause. what i dont understand is why nobody has told him to shut the fuck up! he can take his christian mythology to some other more appropriate group where it belongs. we dont care what he believes. the sob doesnt even own a dodge truck for christ sake. now i know that we should have some compassion for the mentally deranged but how much are we supposed to take beekeep partly because in his apparent paranoia he claims that we all have said that so its carefully avoided.. the poor man has been attacked defiled violated etc.... be nice to him bk.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. roy how would that help if its subjected to all the restrictions youve listed two separate things. i related the law it is foolish but still enforcible. most ignore it. sorry i saw another post later where you clarified you were stating a law rather than advocating a position. if that was a good idea wouldnt the police also subscribe to these measures what that if everybody who could carry did that if all the restrictions were a good idea the police would also subscribe to them. for instance keeping their service revolver locked in the trunk while on patrol. .

From : chris thompson

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. roy how would that help if its subjected to all the restrictions youve listed two separate things. i related the law it is foolish but still enforcible. most ignore it. if that was a good idea wouldnt the police also subscribe to these measures what that if everybody who could carry did .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 819 am chris thompson kf4drr-nos...@alltel.net wrote royon this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. and you would 100% correct chris. if you look at the crime rates on these two charts the blue one is much easier on the eyes you will note that there is a huge reduction in crime especially violent crime starting in 1996. which coincidentally is the year that it was legal for peoperly trained licenced texas residents to start carrying a handgun. http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm the instituting of the concealed handgun law was a come to jesus for most would-be criminals. sorry to post off subject ... but i figured some actual facts may help you. craig c. .

From : bigironram

on fri 6 oct 2006 112804 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote truth is always a christian thing to say. -- budd cochran exactly my point... calling you tolerant to others is like calling charles mansen slightly unbalanced.. go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. -- budd cochran that would an be unchristian thing to say budd... though very close to fact.. mac mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

i have posted on this truck 4 or 5 times in the last 8 monthsabout this problem i have spent hundereds of dollars took it to two dodge dealerships and several private shops. the estimates have ran from $600 and one dealer ship to $4300 at a private shop. the problem which i found was two fuel injectors. cold symptom idled very rough and when you would attempt to give it fuel it would sometimes backfire. as it warmed up it would run much better but not good on the road it was very weak on power. how i diagnosed it when the engine was cold and running rough i unplugged the fuel injectors one at a time- -and made note of which ones made no difference. i did the same thing when the engine was hot and all seemed to make a difference. solution i made me a bench device that i could run carburetor cleaner through the injector then wd40for lub put those two that had made a difference back in and it runs like a new truck. note on the bench i would charge and fire the injector with wd40 all the patterns except two were cone shaped but one squirted a small stream and another only did a half cone.if you do this be careful with firing with the carb cleaner- -the spark can cause a fire oh i applied 40lbs air preasue. my thanks to many of you but there are a few i would like to direct this remark---grow up!! i am one of those old farts 72 years which hase nothing to do with knowledge. i know at least two punks that wear mopar certified patches that couldnt grab their awith both hands. thanks guys!! .

From : bigironram

on oct 7 819 am chris thompson kf4drr-nos...@alltel.net wrote royon this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. and you would 100% correct chris. if you look at the crime rates on these two charts the blue one is much easier on the eyes you will note that there is a huge reduction in crime especially violent crime starting in 1996. which coincidentally is the year that it was legal for peoperly trained licenced texas residents to start carrying a handgun. http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm the instituting of the concealed handgun law was a come to jesus for most would-be criminals. sorry to post off subject ... but i figured some actual facts may help you. craig c. dont forget the killeen shootings either. dr. susan gratia had a properly secured handgun in the trunk of her car lot of good it did the 25 victims including her own parents. http//www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/first100/1001214.html i also will never forget who fought tooth and nail to prevent us from having the right to defend ourselves ann richards who said texans dont need to vote on this. and after failing to stop the resolution and the vote vetoed the bill. talk about hindering democracy...i cant seem to recall which party she belonged to...hmm... sorry craig im not taking shots at you its just a sore subject. .

From : roy

on fri 6 oct 2006 103234 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote no but that just means that i wouldnt... the next person asked might have a different answer though.. then how can you judge me for my willingness to die for my beliefs when you have no idea of my devotion to them grow up budd... #1 who is judging you... #2 who denies the fact or cares that youd die for your beliefs #3 what can it possibly matter what other people think of your beliefs imo there are 2 types of religious folks... those that are firm enough in their beliefs to not feel attacked and paranoid about them and those that wear it on their sleeves like a badge and march in their own parades all day.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : craig c

on oct 7 819 am chris thompson kf4drr-nos...@alltel.net wrote royon this note i have to chime in. a few years ago here locally there was an episode where several armed men came into a restaurant held the place hostage took several of the women into the bathroom and commenced in raping them while their husbands were held at gunpoint along with the rest of the restaurant in the next room. now its my belief that if we us citizens not convicts illegals or anyone who has lost citizenship for any reason were allowed to carry a pistol into town on our side these thugs would have never dreamed of doing that or if they had they wouldnt have made it past the foyer. and you would 100% correct chris. if you look at the crime rates on these two charts the blue one is much easier on the eyes you will note that there is a huge reduction in crime especially violent crime starting in 1996. which coincidentally is the year that it was legal for peoperly trained licenced texas residents to start carrying a handgun. http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm the instituting of the concealed handgun law was a come to jesus for most would-be criminals. sorry to post off subject ... but i figured some actual facts may help you. that is my point. if everybody who did carry did so the crime rate would be waay down. roy craig c. .

From : beekeep

actually christianity has existed since before the earth was formed. in the council in heaven it was discussed what to do with the earth and a saviour was chosen. lucky for us it was jesus not satan. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. many of the worlds religions existed far longer than christianity has. .

From : bigironram

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. roy how would that help if its subjected to all the restrictions youve listed if that was a good idea wouldnt the police also subscribe to these measures .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

from azwiley1@cox.net azwiley1 wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! reply the fundamental cause is the philosophy of macro evolution . what we think about our origins governs how we act . if you embrace this lie that youre from an accidental unpurposed non meaningful slimey pond scum ... then that coupled with todays philosophies of our decadent culture courtesy of our liberal/immoral pushing media will leave you with despair hopelessness and not viewing your fellow man/woman with dignity and respect . in short when a nation distances itself from god his absolute moral laws and identity of self thru him....then immorality and anarchy results. there might be some other factors that contribute to the school shootings but this is the most fundamental cause in society . george washingtons inagural address included these words paraphrased if america ever turns its back on the divine god it will reap destruction . no truer words have been spoken. featured best seller book i dont have enough faith to be an atheist a fair appraisal of what atheists do believe in for their worldview. addresshttp//www.impactapologetics.com/product.aspnumrecordposition=1&p .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. thats absurd. if someone breaks into a house steals a gun that didnt have a trigger lock on it and commits a crime then the house owner is party responsible damn right. if you want to own the weapon then you need to take responsibility for it. so if i understand you correctly youre saying property in this instance a gun deserves more security than the humans who live in the home. interesting in a twisted sort of way. expanding a bit if someone breaks into your home pistol whips you kills the rest of your family youre partially liable .

From : roy

lol ya got it in one. the odd part was to be in the m.i. office as clerk only required i be cleared only to secret. so i sent in the application with all my traffic tickets etc. as did my major. when approvals returned i had to approve some secret documents before he could look at them. cant understand why he held a grudge . . . -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams a bible believing christian with his finger on the nuke button somehow that should scare some people and reassure others. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . ya wanna really shake tom up in the utah national guard in 1981 i was the only one in headquarters company with the security clearance to obtain nuke codes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

yep youre right i did. my but hes a patient burglar. . . . -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams a burglar with a loaded weapon waits patiently while you find the keys open the gun case remove the trigger lock fill the magazine load the magazine draw and aim the weapon. . . . .. you forgot about getting the other set of keys to open the other locked container in another room that holds the ammo. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : royroy

dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do dude - it has a lot to do with whats been happening recently. sick individual - essentially a coward - wants to take out his rage against some defenseless people. he knows he wont be opposed by anyone in a school as he knows hell be the only one armed. therefore its like shooting fish in a barrel. so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. perhaps just the teacher. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. cowards will do what they do and will just kill the people that they would have let go. beekeep summed it up perfectly some time ago when he said think about how differently 9/11 would have turned out had some of the passengers on those planes been armed. extend that to the amish school to columbine to the canadian school etc. etc. etc. nothing would have been different as the terrorists would have been armed as well and it would have resulted in a gun fight. perhaps the plane would have come down somewhere else but the attack would have happened just the same. as long as we continue to have these sick individuals roaming this planet we need to be able to defend ourselves against those individuals. you figure out how to get rid of these individuals and i may change my views. but until then well... you are showing the first signs of paranoia. sorry tom but many people carried guns in the old west and many people died because of it. have you ever seen the bumper sticker outlaw guns and only outlaws will have guns think about it. it seems that is where you are going. roy .

From : stormin mormon

dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do dude - it has a lot to do with whats been happening recently. sick individual - essentially a coward - wants to take out his rage against some defenseless people. he knows he wont be opposed by anyone in a school as he knows hell be the only one armed. therefore its like shooting fish in a barrel. so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. perhaps just the teacher. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. cowards will do what they do and will just kill the people that they would have let go. im all for arming a teacher that it qualified and trained. beekeep summed it up perfectly some time ago when he said think about how differently 9/11 would have turned out had some of the passengers on those planes been armed. extend that to the amish school to columbine to the canadian school etc. etc. etc. nothing would have been different as the terrorists would have been armed as well and it would have resulted in a gun fight. perhaps the plane would have come down somewhere else but the attack would have happened just the same. as long as we continue to have these sick individuals roaming this planet we need to be able to defend ourselves against those individuals. you figure out how to get rid of these individuals and i may change my views. but until then well... you are showing the first signs of paranoia. sorry tom but many people carried guns in the old west and many people died because of it. what would you do then roy .

From : stormin mormon

lets look at an impossible scenario a burglar with a loaded weapon waits patiently while you find the keys open the gun case remove the trigger lock fill the magazine load the magazine draw and aim the weapon. . . . .. just telling you what the law is here. myself i break the law. but not for long another 6 months and im outa here. and you think im in a weird world oh no your just weirdg roy .

From : stormin mormon

and the 2 day waiting period to go to the bank and get the primers that had to be hand loaded into the shells before they could be loaded. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. a burglar with a loaded weapon waits patiently while you find the keys open the gun case remove the trigger lock fill the magazine load the magazine draw and aim the weapon. . . . .. you forgot about getting the other set of keys to open the other locked container in another room that holds the ammo. .

From : stormin mormon

a bible believing christian with his finger on the nuke button somehow that should scare some people and reassure others. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. ya wanna really shake tom up in the utah national guard in 1981 i was the only one in headquarters company with the security clearance to obtain nuke codes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams .

From : stormin mormon

mmmm. burgers breaking in. -homer simpson http//www.fastfoodtoys.net/simpsonswatcheshomer.jpg .. damn right. if you want to own the weapon then you need to take responsibility for it. having it inside your home is being responsible. having to bust through a houses door illegally is enough for the issue at hand. security inside a house is to prevent kids who live there from having access to the gun. not burgers who break in. .

From : stormin mormon

http//farms.byu.edu/otherquestionsevidences.php mormons dont debate .... they declare the good word of god. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken .

From : miles

on sat 07 oct 2006 000148 gmt paddy oday paddy oday@pgh.net wrote lets start by assuming the bible is accurate by making this assumption you render everything else you say ignorant superstition and down right lies. if you took the time to research how the bible was put together you would know this. jesus preached love tolerance and forgiveness. why do so many so called christians preach nothing but hate intolerance and damnation jam very simply we know that this is the morally correct thing to do and it is our duty as citizens of the greatest nation on earth to represent it in that way. we shoulder this burden accepting the ridicule of those whose beliefs fall short of knowing the right way as a necessary sacrifice along with other sacrifices such as not being able to afford to go to the doctor. it is just the right thing to do. understand now joe. .

From : miles

on sat 07 oct 2006 024657 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do dude - it has a lot to do with whats been happening recently. sick individual - essentially a coward - wants to take out his rage against some defenseless people. he knows he wont be opposed by anyone in a school as he knows hell be the only one armed. therefore its like shooting fish in a barrel. so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. perhaps just the teacher. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. cowards will do what they do and will just kill the people that they would have let go. what part of they wont defend themselves dont you understand beekeep .

From : tom lawrence

tbone wrote please miles your bias is so heavy it really makes me laugh. he resigned because he is a homo child molester and got caught outright there was nothing political about it but what about the speaker of the house. he is lying threw his teeth and refuses to step down. i guess that the right is every bit as bad as the left and in this case much worse. gee tbone arent you a bit hypocritical making this a political issue got any proof he is lying nah its just an election campaign issue. .

From : tom lawrence

roy wrote tbone wrote if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. thats absurd. if someone breaks into a house steals a gun that didnt have a trigger lock on it and commits a crime then the house owner is party responsible yup gotta have it locked up. i agree they should have it locked up but to me not to prevent burglars who bust into the house from getting it. more to keep it out of reach from kids etc. that to me is a far worse problem and far more a responsibility issue. .

From : tom lawrence

so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. be serious. perhaps just the teacher. okay... with appropriate training recurrent training at that - its a good start. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. maybe... maybe not. but when only the bad guy is armed the outcome is much more predictable. im not trying to solve the entire problem in one fell swoop... im just looking to stack the deck a little less in the bad guys favors. perhaps the plane would have come down somewhere else but the attack would have happened just the same. really theyd have been able to sieze the cockpits unmolested and flown into their targets highly doubtful. granted there may have been three other outcomes like flight 93 but given the choice id much prefer those outcomes to what actually did happen. as long as we continue to have these sick individuals roaming this planet we need to be able to defend ourselves against those individuals. you figure out how to get rid of these individuals and i may change my views. but until then well... you are showing the first signs of paranoia. what part is paranoid that there are people out there looking to do harm to others or my wildly conservative notion that i should be able to defe

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

uses the gun then the owner is safe as the gun was properly secured but if the gun was lying on the night table then they should be held responsible. someone breaks into a house and the car keys to the car in the driveway are sitting on the nightstand. said thief takes the keys takes the car and kills someone with it. is the homeowner responsible youll say of course not - the owner was just a responsible automobile owner... how could he be held liable for some deranged persons illegal actions why is a death by an automobile less devestating to the dead person their family and society as a whole than a death by a bullet the gun should be secured in a gun safe and if a thief breaks into the home and steals the safe and later breaks into it and uses the gun then the owner is safe is the end result not the same thief breaks into house - thief breaks into safe and safe is a relative term here - were probably talking about a residential security container which is much easier to break into than an actual safe but i digress - thief takes firearm - thief kills someone with it. youre saying because the safe slowed him down for 5 minutes or so that it makes a difference it is a reality of life that sometimes homes get broken into so precautions need to be taken yeah... like having a way to defend yourself against someone who would break into your house and do you harm. .

From : azwiley1

damn right. if you want to own the weapon then you need to take responsibility for it. having it inside your home is being responsible. having to bust through a houses door illegally is enough for the issue at hand. security inside a house is to prevent kids who live there from having access to the gun. not burgers who break in. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

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From : azwiley1

coffee wrote ckbrew@adelphia.net wrote please help- i have a 2000 dodge ram 2500. i need to replace the power window motor. the chiltons manual i have says not to remove the motor from the regulator because it is spring loaded and may cause injury if removed. napa sells only the motor not a motor/regulator combination. this leads me to believe that there must be a way to replace only the motor. is ther a safe way to replace the motor with out the regulator flying apart in my face thank you. mark. wear safety glasses and leather work gloves and take it apart carefully. or use something to hold it in like a vise be gentle generally the most important thing is not so much injury to you but loss of parts if you are not careful... they go flying across the room never to be found again p .

From : tbone

i have to be fair mike. napa stores are as varied as their staff. the local one here in moab isnt nearly as good as the carquest or the parts plus stores on customer service. it has contracts with a local mine and all the off-road / tour businesses and the local shade-tree needing to get to work monday morning is up that well known creek. -- budd cochran our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams ive got a 75 1 ton 360 and it has a two barrel. first they told me at autozone there were 5 possible models. so ive looked around the web trying to figure out where and which of the numbers on my caburator is the correct one. i cant find a picture of mine and when i called back they said there were only two models and the carb kit covers both. not wanting to waste too much more time im looking for someone who might have an idea where i should look next. ken the first place to look is at a real parts store.... not autozone. try a napa dealer you will get the help you need. mike -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : azwiley1

the problem is that big business would never allow it. yes they can and there is damn little that parents can do about it especially if they are not always at home. and what exactly would you do about it -- all i ever see ol tboner do is attack others views with his liberal bullshit. he has never offered real ideas or solutions. it is always easy to criticize and fault others but often difficult to come up with workable answers. if he is so freakin wise how would he solve the problem without blaming it on conserative greed as there are just as many greedy democrats as republicans. open your eyes. all politicians are in it for themselves. mr.dodge yea this is a convincing post. funny how when a democrat does something wrong or the right spins it that way they are the scum of the earth but when someone from the right does something wrong well then all politicians are that way so no harm no foul lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

coffee wrote ckbrew@adelphia.net wrote please help- i have a 2000 dodge ram 2500. i need to replace the power window motor. the chiltons manual i have says not to remove the motor from the regulator because it is spring loaded and may cause injury if removed. napa sells only the motor not a motor/regulator combination. this leads me to believe that there must be a way to replace only the motor. is ther a safe way to replace the motor with out the regulator flying apart in my face thank you. mark. wear safety glasses and leather work gloves and take it apart carefully. or use something to hold it in like a vise be gentle generally the most important thing is not so much injury to you but loss of parts if you are not careful... they go flying across the room never to be found again p i removed the regulator. there was a hole in the end of arm of the regulator. i inserted a bold with 2 nuts on in on on each side of the metal then tightened the nuts against each other. with this bolt in place it locked the regulator arms and prevented the spring from forcing the arms apart. then i just had to dismount the old motor and mount the new one. remove the bolt and nuts and reassemble. ps. when i called the parts department at a local dodge dealer they told me it is not possible to change only the motor and i had to change out the entire regulator & motor assembly. the replacement part would be $220.00 and would take 5 days to ship it from boston which is a 2 hour drive from where i live. napa had the motor for $60.00. go figure! mark .

From : tbone

dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do dude - it has a lot to do with whats been happening recently. sick individual - essentially a coward - wants to take out his rage against some defenseless people. he knows he wont be opposed by anyone in a school as he knows hell be the only one armed. therefore its like shooting fish in a barrel. so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. perhaps just the teacher. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. cowards will do what they do and will just kill the people that they would have let go. beekeep summed it up perfectly some time ago when he said think about how differently 9/11 would have turned out had some of the passengers on those planes been armed. extend that to the amish school to columbine to the canadian school etc. etc. etc. nothing would have been different as the terrorists would have been armed as well and it would have resulted in a gun fight. perhaps the plane would have come down somewhere else but the attack would have happened just the same. as long as we continue to have these sick individuals roaming this planet we need to be able to defend ourselves against those individuals. you figure out how to get rid of these individuals and i may change my views. but until then well... you are showing the first signs of paranoia. sorry tom but many people carried guns in the old west and many people died because of it. yet ironically enough more people lived because of it then died. why simple because everyone carried and because of this those that were not shit faced drunk had enough common sense to think twice before drawing down on some one. come on down to some old west towns and you might learn a thing or tow instead of just spouting off like you always do. but i can already see your reply coming making another personal attack as that is what you always do and telling me i dont know what i am talking about. sorry i dont believe that you are the expert on everything like some might. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. and this is the way it should be. if you want to own the gun you should be completely responsible for it and that includes securing it properly. i find it funny that the ones that whine the most about taking responsibility for ones actions are the ones most resistant to actually doing it. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. im not so sure about that. there are far to many paranoid idiots and the general mentality of this country would make it a scary place. just move the wrong way and 5 idiots shoot you. so what you are saying tom is that we should stay away from you as you are one of the five g -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on fri 06 oct 2006 001117 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote iow you cant come up with even one example so ill ask again where is the over generalization -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on thu 05 oct 2006 210940 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote please show me where this is an over generalization. show me one instance where the american public actually stood up and put a stop to being screwed. oh tom come on. stop being so melodramatic. some times you are your own worst enemy. nope tom. the words were pretty clear. and spelled correctly i think. there are no other words for it. some times you are simply your own worst enemy. just saying tom. your use of exageration just comes across wrong. thats all. yawn iow you are wrong and not man enough to admit to it just saying. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

roy wrote seems like the repubs are like the catholic church. they all ignored it and hoped it would go away. oh well it will be something else next week. my point was roy that the dems have not shown themselves to be any better historically when it comes to sex offenders. in the majority of cases involving a dems theyve fought like crazy against any charges. in the majority of cases involving a rep theyve resigned and admitted their guilt and been punished. i hope foley is punished as well. anyone committing such an act is scum no matter what the party. this issue should not be a political one used for campaign purposes. lol that is because most of the charges against them are politically motivated. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

dude is this really an appropriate time to be ranting about gun control. what exactly would you have them do dude - it has a lot to do with whats been happening recently. sick individual - essentially a coward - wants to take out his rage against some defenseless people. he knows he wont be opposed by anyone in a school as he knows hell be the only one armed. therefore its like shooting fish in a barrel. so do you intend to arm some 6 year old girls. perhaps just the teacher. then the guy would just walk in with the gun drawn and shoot the teacher in the back. cowards will do what they do and will just kill the people that they would have let go. beekeep summed it up perfectly some time ago when he said think about how differently 9/11 would have turned out had some of the passengers on those planes been armed. extend that to the amish school to columbine to the canadian school etc. etc. etc. nothing would have been different as the terrorists would have been armed as well and it would have resulted in a gun fight. perhaps the plane would have come down somewhere else but the attack would have happened just the same. as long as we continue to have these sick individuals roaming this planet we need to be able to defend ourselves against those individuals. you figure out how to get rid of these individuals and i may change my views. but until then well... you are showing the first signs of paranoia. sorry tom but many people carried guns in the old west and many people died because of it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

what in the hell are you talking about miles i am talking about the gun owners not the damn store. if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. if you feel the need to own such a thing you should take the responsibility for doing so. as for the store or dealer not following procedures i agree with you 100%. here if you own a gun you must be either in total control of it or it must be locked. if somebody breaks into your house steals your unlocked unsecured gun and shoots somebody you stand a very good chance to be charged with contributory negligence. also if transporting unless you are wearing it it must be in a locked case or locked in the trunk. again the same applies if somebody breaks into your car and steals it or steals the whole damn car. and this is the way it should be. if you want to own the gun you should be completely responsible for it and that includes securing it properly. i find it funny that the ones that whine the most about taking responsibility for ones actions are the ones most resistant to actually doing it. if everybody who could legally cary a gun did so id bet the crime rate would go down. im not so sure about that. there are far to many paranoid idiots and the general mentality of this country would make it a scary place. just move the wrong way and 5 idiots shoot you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote tbone wrote oh i see only the well todo should be permitted to have children. so poor people should have 4 5 8 or more kids because the gov. will raise them and take care of them huh where exactly did i say that or is this just more right wing spin you implied it tbone. your reply about only well todo having children was a sarcastic remark. keep up with the thread! i implied no such thing but thanks for admitting to your typical right wing spin. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

damn right. if you want to own the weapon then you need to take responsibility for it. having it inside your home is being responsible. having to bust through a houses door illegally is enough for the issue at hand. security inside a house is to prevent kids who live there from having access to the gun. not burgers who break in. complete bullshit and once again refusing to actually take responsibility how typical. who is more likely to use the gun for something illegal what if the front door was open then it is only trespassing lol! i would say that one of the requirements of getting a gun permit is proving that you have a secure place for that particular gun. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

on fri 6 oct 2006 180325 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote azwiley1 wrote has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! has anything beat one of the k&n threads this one might it certainly has potential i am sure that we can keep it going! vbfg .

From : miles

on fri 6 oct 2006 180325 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote azwiley1 wrote has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! has anything beat one of the k&n threads this one might it certainly has potential .

From : tbone

exactly. if they want to come in legally; fill out the paper work prove they are not wanted criminals and swear under penalty of death they do not want to overthrow our country then no problem. the laws are on the books they need to be modified if needed and enforced. and a hundred foot high fence wouldnt hurt either. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams i think you missed the point i was trying to make. we have enough problems of our own; homeless needy etc. that need our help and we need to spend less on those that are coming into the us illegally. we need to quit funding their educations mass baby production drug cartels gangs and so on with american taxpayer dollars. if they want to come to the us streamline the immigration process but deport anyone that is here illegally. kids born in the us to illegals are legally us citizens but that law needs to be revised because i dont believe in splitting up families. these items alone would probably free up millions if not billions of tax dollars . . .more for the liberals to waste. they ought to jump on it like ravening wolves. -- budd cochran i can agree with the points you have made here. fortifying our border doesnt negate these points nor vice-versa. strong border control doesnt mean that people who want to immigrate legally shouldnt be able to do so. we need both. ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

no prob. glad to help. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote does the fuel line go into the fuel bowl from the passenger side of from the front side passenger side = holley from front = carter. i should hav mentioned it was a holly. i got the kit they said would work and ive found out the model # thanks ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

tbone wrote tbone wrote oh i see only the well todo should be permitted to have children. so poor people should have 4 5 8 or more kids because the gov. will raise them and take care of them huh where exactly did i say that or is this just more right wing spin you implied it tbone. your reply about only well todo having children was a sarcastic remark. keep up with the thread! .

From : miles

-- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. thats absurd. if someone breaks into a house steals a gun that didnt have a trigger lock on it and commits a crime then the house owner is party responsible damn right. if you want to own the weapon then you need to take responsibility for it. the gun should be secured in a gun safe and if a thief breaks into the home and steals the safe and later breaks into it and uses the gun then the owner is safe as the gun was properly secured but if the gun was lying on the night table then they should be held responsible. it is a reality of life that sometimes homes get broken into so precautions need to be taken i bet that you dont leave all of your money lying on the coffee table of your home. once again you show that your right wing people should be responsible is just a load of crap. the only cases where your logic may apply is when kids in a family get a parents gun that was not secured. why should that be any different. if the gun is unsecured the owner is not taking responsibility for it regardless of who takes possession of it. .

From : tbone

ive got a 75 1 ton 360 and it has a two barrel. first they told me at autozone there were 5 possible models. so ive looked around the web trying to figure out where and which of the numbers on my caburator is the correct one. i cant find a picture of mine and when i called back they said there were only two models and the carb kit covers both. not wanting to waste too much more time im looking for someone who might have an idea where i should look next. ken the first place to look is at a real parts store.... not autozone. try a napa dealer you will get the help you need. mike .

From : Annonymous

on thu 5 oct 2006 232611 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote does this mean christians cant learn from them no but christians need to be real careful about what they consider acceptable. if a teaching conflicts with gods teachings god is always right. -- budd cochran i believe we are seeing the birth of another charlie manson. beekeep never let them forget that hitler was an espoused christian; german soldiers went into battle wearing a belt buckle that proclaimed gott mit uns. for those of you who do not speak german it is translated as god is with us. .

From : beekeep

i was a novice hindu after spending 20 years as an agnostic. i became a christian when my wife of now 29 years insisted i go to church with her. no jesus no pussy huh are forced christians less devout than those who experience an epiphany lets start by assuming the bible is accurate historically and scientifically. assume all you want cite all the websites and literature that you want but the simple fact is there is no acceptable proof. .

From : mac davis

on fri 6 oct 2006 100628 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote in light of the shit going on in the world today. does this country need to bring back the draft yes or no and why. roy y e s !!!! my pet peeve for years is kids have too little direction in life since they dropped the draft... my version is a bit different though.... i think that everyone male & female should be drafted for at least 2 years of some type of service... make it military peace corps teaching kids in poor areas picking up trash etc... anything that will give them a sense of real life and aid the us in some way... then whether they were in the army or tutoring poor kids or whatever theyd be eligible for scholarship help to continue their education.. in my experience one of the few perks of being old folks that were in the service or did some other job that required responsibility and giving do much better in college and life in general because theyve had a look at the bad side and dont want to be there... ymwv thanks for the soap box bro.... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote for one thing youve been as antagonistic towards me as the rest of them at times and tigers dont change their stripes. you yourself are not innocent in any way. if you dish it expect it back. .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote if they want to come to the us streamline the immigration process but deport anyone that is here illegally. kids born in the us to illegals are legally us citizens but that law needs to be revised because i dont believe in splitting up families. we need an amendment that states 1 parent must be a legal us citizen in order for their children born here to be citizens. .

From : miles

tbone wrote how do you know it really happened know what that the stars we see light from may not really exist not sure what your question was in reference too. .

From : miles

tbone wrote if you own a gun or an arsenal of them as some in here seem to do and a gun is stolen and used in a crime and it was not properly secured then the owner should be held partly responsible. thats absurd. if someone breaks into a house steals a gun that didnt have a trigger lock on it and commits a crime then the house owner is party responsible the only cases where your logic may apply is when kids in a family get a parents gun that was not secured. .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote yes it is. funny how you all blame me but refuse to accept responsibility for your own parts in it. go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. budd have you ever admitted that your methods on here are wrong no you just tell us that we are attacking you and are wrong for any of our beliefs. ill give you the benefit of the doubt. explain how you are tolerant of those that believe differently that yourself. explain how you are better than the others here. .

From : craig c

some time back i mentioned an email i received from stanandyne sp. they stated that lubricity has been taken care of at the refinery level by using different addititves but i could still continue to use their conditioner of course . i have been using it in my 92 with 250000km & no fuel system problems except for 2 transfer pumps . ymmv. .

From : mac davis

has anyone look how long and how active this thread is i think it could set a new aadt record! vbfg wtf is going on with this rash of school shootings across the nation this is ridiculous to say the least! .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 6 oct 2006 100628 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote in light of the shit going on in the world today. does this country need to bring back the draft yes or no and why. roy y e s !!!! my pet peeve for years is kids have too little direction in life since they dropped the draft... 100% correct imo!! i see these new kids we hire at work and i get better response from the wifes dog. you try to explain something anything and you are greeted with a blank stare. these kids dont know how to learn. they have been handled gently all tthrough their lives and now dont feel they have to do a damn thing. while im at it im so sick of hearing the friggin race card played everytrime a person of color is told to do his damn job. my version is a bit different though.... i think that everyone male & female should be drafted for at least 2 years of some type of service... make it military peace corps teaching kids in poor areas picking up trash etc... anything that will give them a sense of real life and aid the us in some way... then whether they were in the army or tutoring poor kids or whatever theyd be eligible for scholarship help to continue their education.. in my experience one of the few perks of being old folks that were in the service or did some other job that required responsibility and giving do much better in college and life in general because theyve had a look at the bad side and dont want to be there... ymwv yup it has to be revamped for sure but no more educational deferments. everybody gets to play. thanks for the soap box bro.... anytime! damn your good first thing.g roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on thu 05 oct 2006 183207 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote tbone wrote i agree completely. gun control should not be stopping people from buying guns but setting up a system that allows for holding the ones buying them responsible for their use. thats absurd. the only case in which a store should be held partly liable is if they did not follow current laws in selling the gun that was used in a crime. but they wont be liable for the crime itself. still the punishment for deliberately failing to follow procedures should be harsh. he said buying them miles not selling them... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : azwiley1

on thu 5 oct 2006 204723 +0000 utc ignoramus4299 ignoramus4299@nospam.4299.invalid wrote on thu 5 oct 2006 164219 -0400 donstaples dstaples@charter.net wrote even if the sensor shows visible damage that doesnt mean the damage caused it to fail nor does it mean the service person caused the damage. there is no way after the fact you will be able to prove any damage you may possibly find was caused by the service person. this is not csi and this isnt a murder case. but if it will make you feel better to take them to court by all means go for it that is your right. ill look forward to your postings about that adventure. i want to see what happened to the speed sensor by removing it. if there is any visible damage i will take photographs of it. if it is visibly damaged then it is one story. mechanics would see it when they removed the carrier gears which means that they would let me know if they saw it. they did not tell me that. so then they damaged it due to reinstallation. if that so i will take pictures of it. if the speed sensor does not work but shows no signs of damage then i think it is likely still due to what they did but harder to prove. i i do not want to play lawyer here but logic would indicate that a picture taken after the truck was back in your possession would seem useless as evidence... im not saying that you would do this but the damage could have been done to it after it got home for the purpose of furthering the cause.. when i was a kid i was riding with a friend that bumped a car at a stop sign... just a little bumper damage... the guy put in a claim for several hundred dollars lots of money for repairs in the 60s and showed pictures of his trunk and fender all bashed in... the guy ended up on trial for insurance fraud.. lol mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on thu 5 oct 2006 200501 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote what a whole bunch of people were thrown to the lions crucified beheaded etc. for a history book look up adolph hitler... he killed 6 million people to make history... no he did it out of hatred and bigotry . . .and the innocents only made one mistake . . .they believed they were the chosen people of god. plus they did not all go willingly as proven by the number that disguised themselves in various ways to escape the slaughterhouses. come on . . ..would you do that no but that just means that i wouldnt... the next person asked might have a different answer though.. then how can you judge me for my willingness to die for my beliefs when you have no idea of my devotion to them -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 6 oct 2006 053815 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote yes it is. funny how you all blame me but refuse to accept responsibility for your own parts in it. go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. -- budd cochran that would an be unchristian thing to say budd... though very close to fact.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

then who put the question mark in the middle of your reply and ill leave the playing stupid for the liberals. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd dont play stupid. you know that was a statement rather than a question. you didnt have to reply to it. done. roy and what are you doing roy if not trying to continue the discussion -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams no i do not wish to debate. i just want to live my christian beliefs as i believe they say i should. you say that but it aint so. if that is the case why do you continually be come involved in these debates if you didnt there wouldnt be any. it continues to amaze me how you let people manipulate you and draw you into this stuff. of course if you dont this will be the first time. roy cya ken -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

and what verse is that miles love thy neighbor do you think i enjoy being called names and verbally abused to try and teach a stiff necked unbeliever like yourself the truth i do it because i love everyone and i want to see everyone in heaven. gee budd does that include me as well -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on thu 5 oct 2006 221725 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote ok im done with arguing with you and suffering your abuse again. yeah right like youre not going to rot in hell for that lie. beekeep .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

tbone wrote probably political motivation. lets see what happens after the elections. far lower in one state than historically for political motivation its supposed to be the reps who can magically control oil and gas prices. az is currently dem run. conspiracy theories dont have to make sense. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 06 oct 2006 095321 gmt honeybs@radix.net beekeep wrote on thu 5 oct 2006 232611 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote does this mean christians cant learn from them no but christians need to be real careful about what they consider acceptable. if a teaching conflicts with gods teachings god is always right. -- budd cochran i believe we are seeing the birth of another charlie manson. beekeep lol. .

From : roy

in light of the shit going on in the world today. does this country need to bring back the draft yes or no and why. roy when the need arises sure. currently there are enough volunteers to fill the need. so no. on the other hand if you mean bring back the draft and have every able bodied 18 y/o fulfill a 2 year commitment to the military wow what a can of worms. two cans; the anti-draft can and the anti-tax can. can you imagin the cost of supporting 99% of 18 and 19 year old americans so would need more info and think this one out. fmb north mexico .

From : mac davis

reserves units are not active duty personnel and cannot be included. just like vietnam some people are going reserve to avoid a potential draft and to avoid ducking bullets. current goals are not high enough to replace the manpower lost during the clinton fiasco. most of the service men i knew during the years i was in the national guard did not want to remain military for another 25 years. azwiley would be a good one to reply to this point as would my son who served in iraqi freedom. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams not enough people signing up on the voluntary military system not enough soldiers sailors or bases in reserve thanks to the liberals military personnel doing extended tours because the military is understaffed and many are re-enlisting past their 20 year retirement because of the understaffing . . you do the math. -- budd cochran math fiscal 2006 enlisted recruiting from oct 1 2005 to aug 31 2006; active duty 102% of goals r and ng 97% of goals for august army national guard retention was above 119 percent of the cumulative goal of 31599 and air national guard retention was 110 percent of its cumulative goal of 9236. both the army and air guard are currently at 98 and 99 percent of their end strength respectively. losses in all reserve components for july are well within acceptable limits. the navy reserve presents a concern with its increasing attrition rates. indications are that these trends will continue into august. good reading at http//usmilitary.about.com/od/joiningthemilitary/a/06recruiting.htm or http//tinyurl.com/fkyd7 and 20 years in the military is not an age for mandatory retirement but rather a time where you can retire. those who want to put in more years for a higher retirement income or for any of a host of reasons may just like those of us in private industry who can retire at 59 1/2 but choose rather to stay and work. fmb north mexico -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

read it and youre not really helping at all roy. for one thing youve been as antagonistic towards me as the rest of them at times and tigers dont change their stripes. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams yes it is. funny how you all blame me but refuse to accept responsibility for your own parts in it. budd read me post above in this thread. roy go ahead pat yourselves on the back and say to each other how tolerant we are how intolerant he is. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote oh poor budd abused and bruised. why do you insist on being a victim even though you do nothing but attack others for their views if you refuse to respect others then you will never have their respect. if you wish to spread your religion then youve got to first earn respect. its not free and it cant be gained through attack. same well same water. roy -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd dont play stupid. you know that was a statement rather than a question. you didnt have to reply to it. done. roy and what are you doing roy if not trying to continue the discussion -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams no i do not wish to debate. i just want to live my christian beliefs as i believe they say i should. you say that but it aint so. if that is the case why do you continually be come involved in these debates if you didnt there wouldnt be any. it continues to amaze me how you let people manipulate you and draw you into this stuff. of course if you dont this will be the first time. roy cya ken -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

and what are you doing roy if not trying to continue the discussion -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams no i do not wish to debate. i just want to live my christian beliefs as i believe they say i should. you say that but it aint so. if that is the case why do you continually be come involved in these debates if you didnt there wouldnt be any. it continues to amaze me how you let people manipulate you and draw you into this stuff. of course if you dont this will be the first time. roy cya ken -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote whats unproven about it your religion is based on faith. i applaud your faith. you have something to believe in. it is not based on fact but belief of the written word of man. i may - or may not - agree with your faith. that is irrelevant. the only proven fact is that its all unproven. i dont want to dispel any of your believings but if you want to debate the subject im willing. -- ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .