OT: Semper Fi
From : nunya
Q: folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkeley mayor tom bates said the marines dont belong here they shouldnt have come here and they should leave . i am appalled by such a statement coming from a branch of government whos very existence is allowed due to the protection of these brave men and women. if the city of berkeley does not want the protection provided by our military then they should also opt out any federal funding also. if they are unwilling to pay their own way and protect themselves then they owe the marine corps and the american people a great big apology. a group of people operating under the name code pink are doing everything in their power to stop the marines from operating their recruitment center. you want to see something appalling check out this video http//www.bayareagroup.com/multimedia/iba/2008/player/f=0131codepink my opinion is that the marines need to send a detachment of force recon soldiers to protect the free ingress and regress from their offices. if the local police will not enforce the law and protect the rights of our armed forces then i believe the military has the right to take care of themselves. if i was trying to enter that building and some of those peace freaks tried to block my way they would learn the meaning of getting walked over. for more on this story try these links http//www.fox.com/story/0293333041900.html http//www.mercury.com/ci8240354source=mostviewed senators isakson chambliss and broun have sponsored a bill to take away federal funding from the city of berkely. there is a petition sponsored by the american center for law and justice that supports the semper fi act of 2008. to add your name to this petition follow the link at the bottom of this article. http//www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspxid=588 this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael .
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From : peterd
on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... .
From : miles
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkley city council caused a large backlash against them. the council has since rescinded their letter and simply stated they are against the war. but what they said is already done. they stated point blank that they support anyone thwarting the militarys attempts to recruit. an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. .
From : nunya
snip this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael i am glad yall are seeing my op for what it is. i participate in one other usenet group and the liberal/pacifists are nutting up. this has nothing to do with the war or whether or not you support the war in the middle east. it is all about paying respect to the military people that defend our country. the marine corp does not create policy they just go where they are ordered. they deserve a lot of respect. if these people want to protest let them go march back and forth in front of the capital building or the whitehouse. michael .
From : ed medlin
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkley city council caused a large backlash against them. the council has since rescinded their letter and simply stated they are against the war. but what they said is already done. they stated point blank that they support anyone thwarting the militarys attempts to recruit. an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. there should have been more of a backlash when they excluded the military as a whole from career days at all their public schools. that opened the door for all the rest of this crap. they should be denied all federal funding. ed .
From : geekboy
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkley city council caused a large backlash against them. the council has since rescinded their letter and simply stated they are against the war. but what they said is already done. they stated point blank that they support anyone thwarting the militarys attempts to recruit. an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. prior to this a push was going on in dc to push a resolition for berkeley not get any more federal funding until such it was rescinded. .
From : carolina watercraft works
i agree 100%. their apology is meaningless imo. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... .
From : mike simmons
i agree 100%. their apology is meaningless imo. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... as a jarhead i too was outraged but soon enough berkely will learn that you dont fuck with the marines... semper fi! mike .
From : jimbo
| | carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote in message | i agree 100%. their apology is meaningless imo. | | -- | ------------------------------------------ | laszlo almasi | ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works | ----mack daddy trailers | ----ice angels | | | on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote | | an | ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not | welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. | | a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an | admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they | twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... | | as a jarhead i too was outraged but soon enough berkely will learn that | you dont fuck with the marines... | | semper fi! | | mike | mike as an old retired artilleryman im so damned mad over this crap that all i want to do is to dump about 35 years and go out and charge these nitwits and traitors. i hope the marines can hold out and the federal government will change the funding for all municipalities that refute any branch of the service. it is becoming a trend in this country and is beginning to remind me of what it was like back in the 60s when we cam back from nam. if there was a better place to head to id be going that direction. too old for this crap. semper fi man! -- pcolaphil us army retired as income tax time approaches did you ever notice when you put the two words the and irs together it spells theirs .
From : fmb
on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... berkeley did not apologize. they only decided to not send their resolution to the marines. one councilwoman pretty much said they the council was too stupid cause they didnt know what the hell they were doing. http//www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/a/2008/02/14/bagkv1ol5.dtl&hw=berkeley&sn=001&sc=1000 or http//tinyurl.com/yovx6t last i heard plans are continuing forward with some plan to discontinue federal funds heading to berkeley aka berzerkeley. i would support that. i very much dislike driving through berzerkeley hate doing any kind of business there and avoid it as much as i can. today was miserable food at hs lordships. fmb north mexico .
From : mike simmons
| | carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote in message | i agree 100%. their apology is meaningless imo. | | -- | ------------------------------------------ | laszlo almasi | ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works | ----mack daddy trailers | ----ice angels | | | on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote | | an | ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not | welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. | | a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an | admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they | twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... | | as a jarhead i too was outraged but soon enough berkely will learn that | you dont fuck with the marines... | | semper fi! | | mike | mike as an old retired artilleryman im so damned mad over this crap that all i want to do is to dump about 35 years and go out and charge these nitwits and traitors. i hope the marines can hold out and the federal government will change the funding for all municipalities that refute any branch of the service. it is becoming a trend in this country and is beginning to remind me of what it was like back in the 60s when we cam back from nam. if there was a better place to head to id be going that direction. too old for this crap. semper fi man! yeah it reminds me of the nam era too... i guess thats why im so enraged. mike .
From : roy
| | carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote in message | i agree 100%. their apology is meaningless imo. | | -- | ------------------------------------------ | laszlo almasi | ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works | ----mack daddy trailers | ----ice angels | | | on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote | | an | ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not | welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. | | a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an | admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they | twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... | | as a jarhead i too was outraged but soon enough berkely will learn that | you dont fuck with the marines... | | semper fi! | | mike | mike as an old retired artilleryman im so damned mad over this crap that all i want to do is to dump about 35 years and go out and charge these nitwits and traitors. i hope the marines can hold out and the federal government will change the funding for all municipalities that refute any branch of the service. it is becoming a trend in this country and is beginning to remind me of what it was like back in the 60s when we cam back from nam. if there was a better place to head to id be going that direction. too old for this crap. semper fi man! yeah it reminds me of the nam era too... i guess thats why im so enraged. mike youd think that after vn this country would learn. im not a big fan of this deal in the sand but ya gotta support military. roy .
From : detailing dude
as the father of two marines one currently in iraq i was outraged when i read this. i am very much against any war but i am an american! it seems these days that statement doesnt mean much. i guess if i was an african american or mexican american or you fill in the blank american what i say would matter. hell i dont care if you support any war or believe in any war you must believe in the menwho volunteered. no one signed their names for them. no marine recruiter ever not matter how many half truths they tell sign any other person up to fight. if these whiny -ass people had a clue to what life was really about theyd support our men not the war. damn this shit pisses me off! this country is so far off from where it started... i dont know. please keep me updated on where this goes. my head is so full right now i dont know what to think. i do know this...thank you all who served and continue to serve. i owe my way of life to you all. may god bless you and your families for all you did and do for me and mine. cecil hayden chesapeake va on thu 14 feb 2008 121735 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote an ohio city mayor is in trouble for telling the marines they are not welcome to train in his city. he also was forced to apologize. a forced apology is not an apology at all. an apology needs to be an admission of wrong that is i was wrong im sorry. not hey they twisted my arm so i guess im sorry... berkeley did not apologize. they only decided to not send their resolution to the marines. one councilwoman pretty much said they the council was too stupid cause they didnt know what the hell they were doing. http//www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgif=/c/a/2008/02/14/bagkv1ol5.dtl&hw=berkeley&sn=001&sc=1000 or http//tinyurl.com/yovx6t last i heard plans are continuing forward with some plan to discontinue federal funds heading to berkeley aka berzerkeley. i would support that. i very much dislike driving through berzerkeley hate doing any kind of business there and avoid it as much as i can. today was miserable food at hs lordships. fmb north mexico .
From : roy
snip this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael i am glad yall are seeing my op for what it is. i participate in one other usenet group and the liberal/pacifists are nutting up. this has nothing to do with the war or whether or not you support the war in the middle east. it is all about paying respect to the military people that defend our country. the marine corp does not create policy they just go where they are ordered. they deserve a lot of respect. if these people want to protest let them go march back and forth in front of the capital building or the whitehouse. michael i agree. hopefully the protest will take place in november at the voting booth. .
From : nosey
everyone should have a problem with this. the federal government should not be allowed to manipulate or interfere with local government without cause. theres a reason why the gov. gives them those funds. its an incentive to uphold certain policies. bzzzt! sorry mr. khrushchev. wrong answer. would you like to try for 2000 rubles retaliation based on emotions isnt good enough. the city of berkeley already rescinded their statement. the feds are threatening to withhold $2 million if they dont apologize. do you think this is the way the country should run do you think this is acceptable yes i do. berkley should not set policies based on emotions of this nature. there is no law that says the feds must give the funds. it is a gift. they do not deserve such a gift. if it is an unwarranted gift it should have not been granted in the first place. if the funds were appropriated for one reason they cannot withdraw them for any other reason. if it was unappropriated funds the rat-bastards that gave it away to begin with should face charges. i dont see any hearings on the federal agenda for that. senator demint are you there i did read it. the tax payers that funded the parking spot also support code pink so i dont see where that is an issue. tax payers funds should not go to any such private group. no funds go to any counter group. tax payer funds should not take sides. but isnt it strange there are lobbyists that have reserved parking spots at capitol hill -- ken .
From : nunya
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. it is how these folks are expressing their views. the code pink folks are totally off the chain. to punish the marine recruiters and their potential recruits by physically accosting them is wrong. it is also o.k. for local governments to go against the feds but if they dont want to allow the feds to operate in their community they should be willing to abstaine from federal funding. i served 20 years in the us navy defending the rights and freedom of our people. all of our people. even the ones that i dont agree with. the federal government deciding to cut funding to the city of berkeley because they dont like them voicing their political position is wrong on so many levels its mind boggling. the city council of berkeley should be applauded for going on the record and giving their citizens a voice. my position isnt defending code pink its defending our civil liberties. the replies that i have read here are sickening. get your heads out of your collective asses and wake up. theres so much more to this issue than the people of berkeley wanting recruiters out. you express your opinions in the press and at the voting booth. you dont abuse others in the process. if you dont like the war then vote for obama. its pretty simple. acting like a jack ass in front of the cameras is muck less impressive to me. michael linking to a fox political article doesnt exactly promote a sense of credibility. if you dont know who rupert murdoch is you should find out. -- ken well fox is my personal national forum. after i read their take i checked out a few other national outlets. you will notice i threw in a link to a local media outlet also. after the fiasco with dan rather making up at cbs and walter croncite personally losing the vietnam war in the press i dont trust them at all. cant give any credince to ted turners communist network either. especially since he gutted all violence from bugs bunny. yes i know who rupert murdoch is. i dont think he has anything to do with the town of berzerkly though. i am surprised you didnt really jump on my link to the american center for law and justice. now that is about as fundamentalist and right wing as they come. or maybe next time ill skip all the mainstream media and go right to the 700 club. michael .
From : nosey
rm v2.0 wrote im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. i served 20 years in the us navy defending voicing a political opinion is one thing they are actively denying a marine presence. the city itself has no business voicing a political opinion anyway they should be conducting city business on the taxpayers dime. the city of berkeley is cooperating with code pink but they arent denying a marine presence. they didnt throw them out or even try to. they simply made a statement that the recruiters werent welcome. this is all about the feds getting their feelings hurt by a letter that was drafted telling the marines their opinion. i dont believe the letter was ever sent. -- ken .
From : rm v2 0
im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. i served 20 years in the us navy defending voicing a political opinion is one thing they are actively denying a marine presence. the city itself has no business voicing a political opinion anyway they should be conducting city business on the taxpayers dime. .
From : nunya
snip heres another chance to be fair mike. why dont you find a link with the text of the semper fi act of 2008 for us. pick any source you want even fox. -- ken http//thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/zc110h.r.5222 now look at one of the projects funding they are threatening to pull from berkely. 273000 dollars to provide gourmet lunches to the local school districts. they are not wanting to pull their healthy lunch as the kids need but gourmet lunches cooked by chefs. now you try googling chez panisse. michael .
From : nosey
nunya wrote snip heres another chance to be fair mike. why dont you find a link with the text of the semper fi act of 2008 for us. pick any source you want even fox. -- ken http//thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/zc110h.r.5222 now look at one of the projects funding they are threatening to pull from berkely. 273000 dollars to provide gourmet lunches to the local school districts. they are not wanting to pull their healthy lunch as the kids need but gourmet lunches cooked by chefs. now you try googling chez panisse. michael thanks for the link michael. i was actually asking mike simmons for it but thats ok. it makes you wonder how they got that money in the first place. this kind of spending needs to be managed better. i agree that there are far more deserving programs but you cant justify giving it to them for one reason and then take it away for another reason. it doesnt change the original need the funding was based on. federal funds arent dished out like gifts as some people here must think. they have to be justified and approved. if the feds are now saying they /didnt/ have a valid need for the money there should be an investigation to find out who approved it and action taken. maybe they should take that persons paycheck and send it to the marines too. -- ken .
From : nosey
yes i know who rupert murdoch is. i dont think he has anything to do with the town of berzerkly though. i am surprised you didnt really jump on my link to the american center for law and justice. now that is about as fundamentalist and right wing as they come. or maybe next time ill skip all the mainstream media and go right to the 700 club. michael im not familiar with american center for law and justice but... this is what they say about themselves the aclj is specifically dedicated to the ideal that religious freedom and freedom of speech are inalienable god-given rights. the centers purpose is to educate promulgate conciliate and where necessary litigate to ensure that those rights are protected under the law. i dont agree with that at all. the law should not protect any rights given by any spiritual beings. the law should protect our right to choose our own religion and worship but it should never protect any imaginary rights granted by imaginary gods. -- ken .
From : nunya
snip thanks for the link michael. i was actually asking mike simmons for it but thats ok. it makes you wonder how they got that money in the first place. this kind of spending needs to be managed better. i agree that there are far more deserving programs but you cant justify giving it to them for one reason and then take it away for another reason. it doesnt change the original need the funding was based on. federal funds arent dished out like gifts as some people here must think. they have to be justified and approved. if the feds are now saying they /didnt/ have a valid need for the money there should be an investigation to find out who approved it and action taken. maybe they should take that persons paycheck and send it to the marines too. -- ken probably some of that money that they call pork barrel funding. the entire gourmet lunch program idea has kinda flippped me out even more than the berkely city council opinion. just guessing but some local dimwit who is related to or a friend of the chez panez folks worked on the local congress persons campain and lobbied for some money to fund a program for school lunches. michael .
From : nunya
snip im not familiar with american center for law and justice but... this is what they say about themselves the aclj is specifically dedicated to the ideal that religious freedom and freedom of speech are inalienable god-given rights. the centers purpose is to educate promulgate conciliate and where necessary litigate to ensure that those rights are protected under the law. i dont agree with that at all. the law should not protect any rights given by any spiritual beings. the law should protect our right to choose our own religion and worship but it should never protect any imaginary rights granted by imaginary gods. -- ken when in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth the separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and of *natures god* entitle them a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal that they are endowed by their *creator* with certain unalienable rights that among these are life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. while i dont think you should be forced to believe in god or not our forefathers obviously believed in a diety called god that was the creator. what the law should protect is each of our rights to believe in our own way. the aclj does not attempt to force anyone to believe in any particular way. all they do is protect a particular group of believers rights to freedom of religion as granted in our declaration of independence and constitution. what is funny is that some days they are litigating against the aclu and some days they are partnered with them. what we have seemed to have lost in this country is that my rights as a believer are no more or less important from the governments standpoint as that of a pagan. equal rights not only for non believers but believers as well. i am betting that we agree on that. michael .
From : nosey
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. i served 20 years in the us navy defending the rights and freedom of our people. all of our people. even the ones that i dont agree with. the federal government deciding to cut funding to the city of berkeley because they dont like them voicing their political position is wrong on so many levels its mind boggling. the city council of berkeley should be applauded for going on the record and giving their citizens a voice. my position isnt defending code pink its defending our civil liberties. the replies that i have read here are sickening. get your heads out of your collective asses and wake up. theres so much more to this issue than the people of berkeley wanting recruiters out. michael linking to a fox political article doesnt exactly promote a sense of credibility. if you dont know who rupert murdoch is you should find out. -- ken .
From : bob m
nunya wrote this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael this really pisses me off too. i wasnt in the military but i was a police officer for 20 years in the dallas area. i know what its like to be snarled at daily and walk around with a target on my chest and back. what we need are more of the following greeters like we have here at dfw airport. http//dfwbluestarmoms.org/smf/index.phptopic=40.new and http//video.aol.com/video-detail/hundreds-greet-troops-returning-home-at-dfw/3211030297 people have been greeting our soldiers coming and going from dfw for a few years now. every day. i talked with one soldier last week who was just amazed at the reception they received. i may not agree with the shrub and his war but i do support our men and women that are sent over there. god bless each and every one of them. bob .
From : mike simmons
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. how specifically are they voicing their discontent with the current administration by trying to boot the marines out.... hmmmmm... this oughta be good you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. code pink can do any damned thing they want. they are a private organization that to the best of my knowledge gets no federal funding whatsoever nor is the federal government trying to infringe their freedom of speech in any way. berkeley however by reserving parking in front of the marine recruiters office for the code pink demostration seems to me to be taking sides in this issue. i served 20 years in the us navy defending the rights and freedom of our people. all of our people. even the ones that i dont agree with. the federal government deciding to cut funding to the city of berkeley because they dont like them voicing their political position is wrong on so many levels its mind boggling. im sure that the feds have no problem with the idiots voicing their opinion about the war the marines. whatever.... when their words become action however that it another story and the feds are justified in cutting off every damned dime to the idiots. the city council of berkeley should be applauded for going on the record and giving their citizens a voice. does any city in the united states prohibit their citizens from exercising their right to speak please name one... this too oughta be good.... sooooooo then if every city gives their citizens the right why the should berkeley be singled out for adulation.... hmmmmmmmm my position isnt defending code pink its defending our civil liberties. the replies that i have read here are sickening. get your heads out of your collective asses and wake up. following ones own advice at times is helpful... theres so much more to this issue than the people of berkeley wanting recruiters out. michael linking to a fox political article doesnt exactly promote a sense of credibility. if you dont know who rupert murdoch is you should find out. ken this story has been widely reported by other orgs such as cnn nbc abc cbs ap reuters etc.... are they too in the radical rights hip pocket hmmmmmm mike .
From : mac davismac davis
on thu 14 feb 2008 120700 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote mac davis wrote ive seen ugly americans try a big bribe and get cuffed in the back of the truck and ive seen normal folks that treat the police with respect and just get a warning for the same offence.. in puerto penasco a friend got a speeding ticket while stopped at a light. a local had rear ended his car and was not cited. accidents are often the fault of whomever has the most money. for sure... we were warned by the folks selling mexican auto insurance after we bought it that if in even a little fender bender expect to be blamed.. otoh the people down here are generally friendly and helpful... we had a pretty bad experience in the blazer a few weeks ago with it over heating between algadonis and home and had to stop 3 times in peoples front yards for help/water.. we were taken very good care of every time and every one of them refused to take any money for their time.. just some really cool people.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mac davis
on thu 14 feb 2008 131059 -0500 nunya nunya@nunya.net wrote aint nothing new about bizerkly... theyre a nuclear free zone whatever the hell that is were openly officially against the vietnam war and have some of the imho anti-smoking laws ive ever seen.. folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkeley mayor tom bates said the marines dont belong here they shouldnt have come here and they should leave . i am appalled by such a statement coming from a branch of government whos very existence is allowed due to the protection of these brave men and women. mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mac davis
on thu 14 feb 2008 192252 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote as a jarhead i too was outraged but soon enough berkely will learn that you dont fuck with the marines... semper fi! mike right mike... make them open their own damn embassy doors! *ducking* mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mac davis
on fri 15 feb 2008 043558 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote last i heard plans are continuing forward with some plan to discontinue federal funds heading to berkeley aka berzerkeley. i would support that. i very much dislike driving through berzerkeley hate doing any kind of business there and avoid it as much as i can. today was miserable food at hs lordships. fmb north mexico same shit different day... cant have columbus day in bizerkly.. they want it to be indigenous native day... never expect rational decisions from irrational people.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : nosey
just as i suspected more disembling and no facts... mike fact the city council of berleley did nothing illegal. fact the federal government wants to punish the city of berleley because they dont like what they did. fact the federal government cannot legally withhold funding from berkeley because they dont like what they did. fact the semper fi act of 2008 is a bill that was drafted for only one purpose - so the federal government can punish cities by withholding federal funding whenever they feel like it. fact this is what the feds want to cut $2 million in school and transportation funding over pdf document http//tinyurl.com/3xponx fact the text direct the city manager to send letters to the marine corps recruiting station at 64 shattuck avenue and to general james t. conway commandant of the united states marine corps advising them that the marine recruiting office is not welcome in our city and if recruiters choose to stay they do so as uninvited and unwelcome intruders of the above document was rescinded by pdf document http//tinyurl.com/yvjn4d fact the details of the parking permit for code pink pdf document http//tinyurl.com/yug7hk wheres that link to the semper fi act of 2008 -- ken .
From : nosey
im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. how specifically are they voicing their discontent with the current administration by trying to boot the marines out.... hmmmmm... this oughta be good berkeley mayor bates said on feb. 1. i am a retired u.s. army captain and i respect the choice of those who are serving our country. however this community strongly opposes the war in iraq and the foreign policy of the current administration. he added i understand that there are people across the country that may not agree with this action but it is the berkeley city councils responsibility to represent the will of the people of berkeley. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. code pink can do any damned thing they want. they are a private organization that to the best of my knowledge gets no federal funding whatsoever nor is the federal government trying to infringe their freedom of speech in any way. berkeley however by reserving parking in front of the marine recruiters office for the code pink demostration seems to me to be taking sides in this issue. is the reserved code pink free parking spot next to the recruiters reserved free parking spots who pays the rent on the recruiters office space is parking part of that contract or has some federal parking clause been violated was there a council meeting and a vote to decide if there should be reserved spots until i know those answers i wont say whos taking any sides. i served 20 years in the us navy defending the rights and freedom of our people. all of our people. even the ones that i dont agree with. the federal government deciding to cut funding to the city of berkeley because they dont like them voicing their political position is wrong on so many levels its mind boggling. im sure that the feds have no problem with the idiots voicing their opinion about the war the marines. whatever.... when their words become action however that it another story and the feds are justified in cutting off every damned dime to the idiots. if code pinks actions are illegal arrest them and charge them with a crime. why should they be denied due process of the law if code pinks actions are illegeal there is still no justification for the federal government to withhold funds to the city. berkeleys citizens are being harassed by the federal government with threats to withhold $2 million in federal money earmarked for ferry service and school lunches among other things. thats right mike the feds are threatening to cut off school lunches and transportation funding if the berkeley city council doesnt apologize for advising them of their citizens opinion. read it again if you must on jan. 29 the city council approved a resolution that included letters to the marines advising them that their recruiting station is unwelcome in berkeley. the city council of berkeley should be applauded for going on the record and giving their citizens a voice. does any city in the united states prohibit their citizens from exercising their right to speak please name one... this too oughta be good.... sooooooo then if every city gives their citizens the right why the should berkeley be singled out for adulation.... hmmmmmmmm no mike. im not talking about the city being commended for letting their individual citizens speak. im talking about the city council being commended for having the courage to speak as representatives of their citizens. the city counsil has a responsibility first and foremost to its citizens. the federal government is threatening financial harm to the citizens of berkeley because their city council did what they were supposed to do. my position isnt defending code pink its defending our civil liberties. the replies that i have read here are sickening. get your heads out of your collective asses and wake up. following ones own advice at times is helpful... if you think im full of shit then thats fine with me. im not trying to drag down our military. my issue is with our federal government bullying a city council for doing their job. we might not agree with code pink or the citizens of berkeley but i cant stand by and watch the noose tighten any more. the semper fi act of 2008 is just another patriot act. theres so much more to this issue than the people of berkeley wanting recruiters out. michael linking to a fox political article doesnt exactly promote a sense of credibility. if you dont know who rupert murdoch is you should find out. ken this story has been widely reported by other orgs such as cnn nbc abc cbs ap reuters etc.... are they too in the radic
From : miles
nosey wrote fact the city council of berleley did nothing illegal. but was ethically wrong for a city council do what they did. fact the federal government wants to punish the city of berleley because they dont like what they did. which is not illegal so you should have no problem with it. fact the federal government cannot legally withhold funding from berkeley because they dont like what they did. they most certainly can because the funds are intended for something berkley has stated they will not support. fact the semper fi act of 2008 is a bill that was drafted for only one purpose - so the federal government can punish cities by withholding federal funding whenever they feel like it. too bad. money is for specific purposes. out gov. should do what it takes to protect the publics money. berkley has no use for such funs if they do not believe in the purpose of those funds. fact this is what the feds want to cut $2 million in school and transportation funding over thats not why the money was allocated to berkley in the first place. fact the details of the parking permit for code pink pdf document http//tinyurl.com/yug7hk read it! its absurd to provide a tax payer funded parking spot on a regular basis for a private protest group. its also absurd to waive the noise ordinances for a select group. especially since the waiver doesnt stipulate to what extent. no mention of any db levels not to be exceeded. they have full waiver. .
From : mike simmons
im stunned too. if you support cutting federal funding to a city because their residents are voicing their opinions about the current administration through their local government you should be ashamed of yourselves. how specifically are they voicing their discontent with the current administration by trying to boot the marines out.... hmmmmm... this oughta be good berkeley mayor bates said on feb. 1. i am a retired u.s. army captain and i respect the choice of those who are serving our country. however this community strongly opposes the war in iraq and the foreign policy of the current administration. he added i understand that there are people across the country that may not agree with this action but it is the berkeley city councils responsibility to represent the will of the people of berkeley. you dont have to agree with code pink. you can hate them all you want. i dont agree with them either but if you take away their rights you are giving away your own rights too. code pink can do any damned thing they want. they are a private organization that to the best of my knowledge gets no federal funding whatsoever nor is the federal government trying to infringe their freedom of speech in any way. berkeley however by reserving parking in front of the marine recruiters office for the code pink demostration seems to me to be taking sides in this issue. is the reserved code pink free parking spot next to the recruiters reserved free parking spots who pays the rent on the recruiters office space is parking part of that contract or has some federal parking clause been violated was there a council meeting and a vote to decide if there should be reserved spots until i know those answers i wont say whos taking any sides. i served 20 years in the us navy defending the rights and freedom of our people. all of our people. even the ones that i dont agree with. the federal government deciding to cut funding to the city of berkeley because they dont like them voicing their political position is wrong on so many levels its mind boggling. im sure that the feds have no problem with the idiots voicing their opinion about the war the marines. whatever.... when their words become action however that it another story and the feds are justified in cutting off every damned dime to the idiots. if code pinks actions are illegal arrest them and charge them with a crime. why should they be denied due process of the law if code pinks actions are illegeal there is still no justification for the federal government to withhold funds to the city. berkeleys citizens are being harassed by the federal government with threats to withhold $2 million in federal money earmarked for ferry service and school lunches among other things. thats right mike the feds are threatening to cut off school lunches and transportation funding if the berkeley city council doesnt apologize for advising them of their citizens opinion. read it again if you must on jan. 29 the city council approved a resolution that included letters to the marines advising them that their recruiting station is unwelcome in berkeley. the city council of berkeley should be applauded for going on the record and giving their citizens a voice. does any city in the united states prohibit their citizens from exercising their right to speak please name one... this too oughta be good.... sooooooo then if every city gives their citizens the right why the should berkeley be singled out for adulation.... hmmmmmmmm no mike. im not talking about the city being commended for letting their individual citizens speak. im talking about the city council being commended for having the courage to speak as representatives of their citizens. the city counsil has a responsibility first and foremost to its citizens. the federal government is threatening financial harm to the citizens of berkeley because their city council did what they were supposed to do. my position isnt defending code pink its defending our civil liberties. the replies that i have read here are sickening. get your heads out of your collective asses and wake up. following ones own advice at times is helpful... if you think im full of shit then thats fine with me. im not trying to drag down our military. my issue is with our federal government bullying a city council for doing their job. we might not agree with code pink or the citizens of berkeley but i cant stand by and watch the noose tighten any more. the semper fi act of 2008 is just another patriot act. theres so much more to this issue than the people of berkeley wanting recruiters out. michael linking to a fox political article doesnt exactly promote a sense of credibility. if you dont know who rupert murdoch is you should find out. ken this story has been widely reported by other orgs such as cnn nbc abc cbs ap reuters etc.... are they too in the radic
From : bill dukenfield
nunya wrote folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkeley mayor tom bates said the marines dont belong here they shouldnt have come here and they should leave . i am appalled by such a statement coming from a branch of government whos very existence is allowed due to the protection of these brave men and women. if the city of berkeley does not want the protection provided by our military then they should also opt out any federal funding also. if they are unwilling to pay their own way and protect themselves then they owe the marine corps and the american people a great big apology. a group of people operating under the name code pink are doing everything in their power to stop the marines from operating their recruitment center. you want to see something appalling check out this video http//www.bayareagroup.com/multimedia/iba/2008/player/f=0131codepink my opinion is that the marines need to send a detachment of force recon soldiers to protect the free ingress and regress from their offices. if the local police will not enforce the law and protect the rights of our armed forces then i believe the military has the right to take care of themselves. if i was trying to enter that building and some of those peace freaks tried to block my way they would learn the meaning of getting walked over. for more on this story try these links http//www.fox.com/story/0293333041900.html http//www.mercury.com/ci8240354source=mostviewed senators isakson chambliss and broun have sponsored a bill to take away federal funding from the city of berkely. there is a petition sponsored by the american center for law and justice that supports the semper fi act of 2008. to add your name to this petition follow the link at the bottom of this article. http//www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspxid=588 this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael bla bla bla... zzzzzzzz jam .
From : roy
folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkeley mayor tom bates said the marines dont belong here they shouldnt have come here and they should leave . i am appalled by such a statement coming from a branch of government whos very existence is allowed due to the protection of these brave men and women. if the city of berkeley does not want the protection provided by our military then they should also opt out any federal funding also. if they are unwilling to pay their own way and protect themselves then they owe the marine corps and the american people a great big apology. a group of people operating under the name code pink are doing everything in their power to stop the marines from operating their recruitment center. you want to see something appalling check out this video http//www.bayareagroup.com/multimedia/iba/2008/player/f=0131codepink my opinion is that the marines need to send a detachment of force recon soldiers to protect the free ingress and regress from their offices. if the local police will not enforce the law and protect the rights of our armed forces then i believe the military has the right to take care of themselves. if i was trying to enter that building and some of those peace freaks tried to block my way they would learn the meaning of getting walked over. for more on this story try these links http//www.fox.com/story/0293333041900.html http//www.mercury.com/ci8240354source=mostviewed senators isakson chambliss and broun have sponsored a bill to take away federal funding from the city of berkely. there is a petition sponsored by the american center for law and justice that supports the semper fi act of 2008. to add your name to this petition follow the link at the bottom of this article. http//www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspxid=588 this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael what really strikes me as a little odd is all this indignation at berkeley when none was voiced when the marines screwed their troops by messing up with marps. now that undoubtedly caused a loss of life but nobody is bitching about it. some might want to get their priorities in order imho. roy .
From : roy
folks a piece of crossed my desk today that has me utterly stunned. the city council of berkeley california has issued a letter to the united states marine corp that their local recruitment center is no longer welcome in their city. berkeley mayor tom bates said the marines dont belong here they shouldnt have come here and they should leave . i am appalled by such a statement coming from a branch of government whos very existence is allowed due to the protection of these brave men and women. if the city of berkeley does not want the protection provided by our military then they should also opt out any federal funding also. if they are unwilling to pay their own way and protect themselves then they owe the marine corps and the american people a great big apology. a group of people operating under the name code pink are doing everything in their power to stop the marines from operating their recruitment center. you want to see something appalling check out this video http//www.bayareagroup.com/multimedia/iba/2008/player/f=0131codepink my opinion is that the marines need to send a detachment of force recon soldiers to protect the free ingress and regress from their offices. if the local police will not enforce the law and protect the rights of our armed forces then i believe the military has the right to take care of themselves. if i was trying to enter that building and some of those peace freaks tried to block my way they would learn the meaning of getting walked over. for more on this story try these links http//www.fox.com/story/0293333041900.html http//www.mercury.com/ci8240354source=mostviewed senators isakson chambliss and broun have sponsored a bill to take away federal funding from the city of berkely. there is a petition sponsored by the american center for law and justice that supports the semper fi act of 2008. to add your name to this petition follow the link at the bottom of this article. http//www.aclj.org/trialnotebook/read.aspxid=588 this deal has my blood boiling. if this was happening in my town those code pink protestors would have to walk through a wall of my friends and i to get to the door of the marine corps recruitment center. if this upsets you just half as much as it does me then please join the aclj by signing onto the petition. michael heres link. http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23188032/ .
From : miles
nosey wrote everyone should have a problem with this. the federal government should not be allowed to manipulate or interfere with local government without cause. they had cause. theres a reason why the gov. gives them those funds. its an incentive to uphold certain policies. berkley decided they did not wish to do that. so they lose those funds. retaliation based on emotions isnt good enough. the city of berkeley already rescinded their statement. the feds are threatening to withhold $2 million if they dont apologize. do you think this is the way the country should run do you think this is acceptable yes i do. berkley should not set policies based on emotions of this nature. there is no law that says the feds must give the funds. it is a gift. they do not deserve such a gift. i did read it. the tax payers that funded the parking spot also support code pink so i dont see where that is an issue. tax payers funds should not go to any such private group. no funds go to any counter group. tax payer funds should not take sides. .
From : nosey
fact the city council of berleley did nothing illegal. but was ethically wrong for a city council do what they did. yes it is sad to see our local governments adopting the federal governments low standard of ethics. fact the federal government wants to punish the city of berleley because they dont like what they did. which is not illegal so you should have no problem with it. everyone should have a problem with this. the federal government should not be allowed to manipulate or interfere with local government without cause. retaliation based on emotions isnt good enough. the city of berkeley already rescinded their statement. the feds are threatening to withhold $2 million if they dont apologize. do you think this is the way the country should run do you think this is acceptable fact the federal government cannot legally withhold funding from berkeley because they dont like what they did. they most certainly can because the funds are intended for something berkley has stated they will not support. what were the funds intended for fox said it was for school lunches and ferry service. if you dont mind can you link to your source fact the semper fi act of 2008 is a bill that was drafted for only one purpose - so the federal government can punish cities by withholding federal funding whenever they feel like it. too bad. money is for specific purposes. out gov. should do what it takes to protect the publics money. berkley has no use for such funs if they do not believe in the purpose of those funds. fact this is what the feds want to cut $2 million in school and transportation funding over thats not why the money was allocated to berkley in the first place. fact the details of the parking permit for code pink pdf document http//tinyurl.com/yug7hk read it! its absurd to provide a tax payer funded parking spot on a regular basis for a private protest group. its also absurd to waive the noise ordinances for a select group. especially since the waiver doesnt stipulate to what extent. no mention of any db levels not to be exceeded. they have full waiver. i did read it. the tax payers that funded the parking spot also support code pink so i dont see where that is an issue. its tax payers money being spent on what the tax payers want. the parking spot and noise waiver were approved by vote at a council meeting. spending city money on what the taxpayers actually want may be unusual but not absurd. i dont agree with what the city of berkeley is doing but i support their right to do it. the berkeley city council isnt doing this for you or me they are doing it for the citizens of berkeley. they are doing what /they/ think is right for /them/. when the federal government manipulates our local governments we may as well get rid of all of our local governments. there is no point to having local representation and policies if the federal government can manipulate them at will. -- ken .
From : nosey
what is funny is that some days they are litigating against the aclu and some days they are partnered with them. what we have seemed to have lost in this country is that my rights as a believer are no more or less important from the governments standpoint as that of a pagan. equal rights not only for non believers but believers as well. i am betting that we agree on that. michael yes we agree on that. i am a believer but not in the same way as you. i do not follow the teachings of any named religion. i believe there are supernatural entities that we do not understand. i believe we are not capable of understanding them. i dont believe anyone who claims to understand them. -- ken .
From : carolina watercraft works
now check this out here is a letter a businessman wrote to the mayor of berkeley. is this a great country or what dear mayor bates in that you and your city have chosen to gravely insult the brave men and women who have indeed bought you that right with their blood i am informing you that my company will no longer do business with any of our current suppliers located in the berkeleycalifornia metro area. in that my company is in international resort real estate development and do business with and am associated with developers and investors worldwide i am informing all of my contacts associates and patrons that we will no longer do any business of any sort with anyone living in the berkeley area. in that we/mdg resorts are currently building a state of the art mega-yacht marina all of the suppliers of marina equipment all owners of yachts all suppliers of yacht materials & supplies all yacht brokers and all tangential yacht business purveyors will likewise be informed that we will not do any business whatsoever with anyone from the berkeley area. likewise all suppliers of building materials both interior and exterior currently associated with any of our several resort developments brisamar 300+ villas and 200+ condos porto hussong www.portohussong.com 500+ condos 180 slip mega-yacht marina both of which i might add have international recognition by virtue of glowing reports in robb report wall street journal yacht world forbes. i will likewise inform all of our investors most of whom are very wealthy yacht owners casino owners high net worth international businessmen of our decision to essentially boycott all products and providers located in or associated with in any way whatsoeverberkeley ca. trust me when i say that having been in the real estate development business for over 35 years our list of contacts and associates is long and very very impressive. we and i personally are going to recommend that they all along with us boycott your city its purveyors suppliers and businesses and charities of every kind. you have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance you have taken and as stated that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you. i too have every right to do all that i can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious sickening stance. cordially brian g dennard principal director meridian development group llc 619 807 2444 www.mdgresorts.com -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels .
From : mac davis
on tue 19 feb 2008 132254 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote cool.. voting with the checkbook is pretty effective.. now check this out here is a letter a businessman wrote to the mayor of berkeley. is this a great country or what dear mayor bates in that you and your city have chosen to gravely insult the brave men and women who have indeed bought you that right with their blood i am informing you that my company will no longer do business with any of our current suppliers located in the berkeleycalifornia metro area. in that my company is in international resort real estate development and do business with and am associated with developers and investors worldwide i am informing all of my contacts associates and patrons that we will no longer do any business of any sort with anyone living in the berkeley area. in that we/mdg resorts are currently building a state of the art mega-yacht marina all of the suppliers of marina equipment all owners of yachts all suppliers of yacht materials & supplies all yacht brokers and all tangential yacht business purveyors will likewise be informed that we will not do any business whatsoever with anyone from the berkeley area. likewise all suppliers of building materials both interior and exterior currently associated with any of our several resort developments brisamar 300+ villas and 200+ condos porto hussong www.portohussong.com 500+ condos 180 slip mega-yacht marina both of which i might add have international recognition by virtue of glowing reports in robb report wall street journal yacht world forbes. i will likewise inform all of our investors most of whom are very wealthy yacht owners casino owners high net worth international businessmen of our decision to essentially boycott all products and providers located in or associated with in any way whatsoeverberkeley ca. trust me when i say that having been in the real estate development business for over 35 years our list of contacts and associates is long and very very impressive. we and i personally are going to recommend that they all along with us boycott your city its purveyors suppliers and businesses and charities of every kind. you have every right to choose to take the obnoxious anti-military stance you have taken and as stated that right was bought for you with the blood of better men than you. i too have every right to do all that i can to insure that your city suffers consequences arising from that obnoxious sickening stance. cordially brian g dennard principal director meridian development group llc 619 807 2444 www.mdgresorts.com mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : nosey
would you like to try damn server. that should have read kgb in russian. it just isnt the same saying k upside l 6. dammit. -- ken .