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From : max dodge

Q: where oh where do they get the stem cells not from the local supermarket. and they dont grow on trees and some people want to fertilize human eggs that is cause life to start in vitro just to harvest them. i call that murder. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in passing legislation that remains consistent with those values. the recent confirmations of chief justice john roberts and associate justice samuel a. alito jr. to the supreme court of the united states mark a pivotal point in our highest courts history as several issues related to abortion are anticipated to come before the court for consideration. while we do not know with certainty how the court will ru

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From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

bigironram wrote he sure does http//www.radix.net/honeybs/ i have never heard of such a thing. very interesting and fasinating. craig c. .

From : tom lawrence

jmc wrote and i do think hitler was mentioned so isnt it officially dead is that the trick to killing a thread i must remember that. - craig c. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

in the morning remember to vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! vote early and ...vote often! mike .

From : nosey

bill allemann wrote needing a toolbox with you to shut off the engine wtf i would have thought something like this would be on a safety recall or something. did you try pulling any relays in the pdc would that work -- ken .

From : jon

on fri 3 nov 2006 174547 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote so tell me something did you have someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it if not then why did you -- budd cochran why because we love you! m- o- u- s- e beekeep .

From : tbone

on fri 10 nov 2006 134354 gmt bill allemann custom4173@sbcglobal.netinvalid wrote just curious seeing as dodge trucks run forever we need something to talk about. just about anything gets talked about here. join in. beekeep .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

bigironram wrote he sure does http//www.radix.net/honeybs/ i have never heard of such a thing. very interesting and fasinating. craig c. id never heard of it either. greg used to have a sig file several years ago with the link to his website in it. weve found some bees on our property at work and have had some thoughts about getting into bee keeping. .

From : john kunkel

budd at this even i would have to say that you have crossed a line. no apology needed larry. youre being honest and that is good. everybody is and has been honest with you. you wont accept honesty .

From : craig c

beekeep wrote im not getting rich selling bees but i do o.k. i find the letters are worth more the the money. do you have a web site craig c. .

From : denny

personally i liked the slant 6 225 cid better than the v8 318. easier to service. much easier to change the plugs. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. what do we have for a subject .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote and yet im told to tolerate that which the bible says to not tolerate. your interpretation is one of radicalism. either convert or destroy those that believe other than your way. sounds a lot like the radical islamists of today as well as the radical christians of the crusade years. youve gone off the deep end in your beliefs. its not what christianity is about at all. .

From : tbone

on fri 10 nov 2006 080357 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on thu 9 nov 2006 190544 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view i will. if you will tolerate mine. i pretty much believe the oppsosite of you. i believe that god also believes the opposite of what you just wrote. on the other hand i am willing to say that it is a private discussion between god and me. are you in other words can you just keep your opinions regarding god to yourself can you stop being a soldier of the far right christian fundamentalists at least on this ng or iow can you just go see a doctor and get some meds to settle you down thinking about this for about 5 seconds. i think we are due for the old i am leaving cause everybody picks on me routine. i may be wrong but we have been here before. roy and as sure dieing and paying taxes he always finds his way back here. yep as soon as the other groups he subscribes to get tired of listening to his crap and the weather is not good enough for him to go out fishing he comes back. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

i have a 95 ram slt emerald green with a badly faded drivers door lower panel hood and top. the other panels are fine. the truck has 62000 miles and i am the original owner. i have been reading many web sites where chrysler has paid for all/or part of repainting. is there a low stress tactic to use when approaching a dealer about this thanks .

From : tbone

budd at this even i would have to say that you have crossed a line. how you feel how you think how you wish to worship how you wish to live and base your life on your views of the written word is all fine for you the misses and whom ever else wishes to live that way. these are only right for those that share the same beliefs as you and incase it hasnt been made clear yet not everyone does. and yet im told to tolerate that which the bible says to not tolerate. but for you to say that view other then yours is wrong and is going too far. no not to me. this is not merely a matter or issue of tolerance. i think that everyone has been tolerant until it has been rammed down their throats and i am sorry to say that with this post specifically this line all other views are wrong. that is exactly what you have done. rammed i give up. no one here has the guts to take the responsibility for what they have done to me over my beliefs. this right here is the exact reason i have denounced my roman catholic up bringing. i am a man with a mind and with the ability to think act and judge for myself. and christianity doesnt stop that some denominations like the catholic church do. chritianity sets rules to live by and i have decided to follow those rules for that im catching heck. so i have to ask why are you hell bent on converting everyone to your way of life im not but like ive said because of the general prejudice against fundametal christians no one will admit im not doing anything but quoting scripture. fine so be it. i am sorry my friend but this is how i feel. no apology needed larry. youre being honest and that is good. im being honest with the group and my god and many think thats not good. regardless of that i will always consider you a friend. budd ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

so you set conditions not the tolerance you demand of me is it -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams on thu 9 nov 2006 190544 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view i will. if you will tolerate mine. i pretty much believe the oppsosite of you. i believe that god also believes the opposite of what you just wrote. on the other hand i am willing to say that it is a private discussion between god and me. are you in other words can you just keep your opinions regarding god to yourself can you stop being a soldier of the far right christian fundamentalists at least on this ng or iow can you just go see a doctor and get some meds to settle you down -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

why are christians all the time forgetting judge not lest ye be judged that seems pretty literal to me and yet at the same time they are professing literal interpretation of the bible wonder which one bud chooses to take his literal interpretation from they are judging others in the next breath. go figure.......... budd cochran wrote ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view -- budd cochran yes -- up to the point where it adversely affects others. .

From : miles

ive got a 2001 dakota extended cab with about 70k. in the past few weeks ive noticed some rough engine running when i go from a stop to resuming moving at a light or stop sign. just recently it will occasionally just die but i put it back in park the engine restarts and i move on with no problem until the next time i stop. things seem ok when i first start up in the mornings. just wonder if someone could guide me to a cause and/or solution. there are no warning lights on the dash when this happens. tia. joe .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view i will tolerate your right to believe how you want. when you start insulting others and tell them they are wrong going to hell and have total lack of respect and tolerance for others then no you have not earned any respect or tolerance. .

From : roy

trying to logic out a problem in my 2004 dodge 2500 ctd 4x4 six speed. need to know where the speedometer gets its speed signal where the auto door locks get their speed inf. and where the seat belt chime gets its speed inf. if my logic is correct the speedometer and door locks gets inf. from the same sensor and the seat belt alarm gets it from a different sensor. thanks al the reason for the above was my truck had a wacky seat belt chime. if anyone is still interested after two trips to the dealer both times i was told they could find nothing wrong its fixed. the first visit they told me there was nothing wrong and it was working as designed. took them for a ride proved it was not working as designed. left the truck and came back three hours later. was told they had it all ready to go. so i took it home and it was exactly the way it was when i took them for a ride. took it back tuesday again i was told it was working as designed but this time it is. they still maintain they didnt do anything after the first visit the truck had the drls on and they disabled the headlamp timer they fixed that too. tried to get them to add the fast idle deal for the ctd. they said it would only work on an automatic truck because it had to have an in park signal from the transmission. thats understandable. hats off to the service manager barney at tucson dodge. after i talked to him he got right on fixing the problems. al .

From : beekeep

on fri 10 nov 2006 011232 gmt theguy@whatever.net wrote on thu 9 nov 2006 134242 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote rotflmbo!!!! it was you liberals that stole the social security and now those liberals that dont have other income will be in the same boat as i am. bet youre real proud of that. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 holy jumpin up and down martha. someone closer to budd than me.......someone who knows where he lives might think about callin 911 and having mental health sent out to do a welfare check on him. this is really gettin strange. budd is startin to remind me of a grateful dead song. its sad but dementia only gets worse with time. otoh maybe stem cell research will find a cure! beekeep .

From : chris thompson

ok since this seems to the real issue lets look at it. . . . i hold the view and belief in the literal interpretation of the bible and it is the inerrant and inspired word of god and this is the right view to have. all other views are wrong. will you tolerate my view -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

on thu 9 nov 2006 183702 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote btw kunkel i mentioned your comment to my wife and after she stopped laughing she said that was one of the best jokes she had heard in years. she also said you have no idea of how wonderful a true close relationship can be and probably never will. -- budd cochran it just goes to show that there is somebody out there for everyone. beekeep .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

btw kunkel i mentioned your comment to my wife and after she stopped laughing she said that was one of the best jokes she had heard in years. she also said you have no idea of how wonderful a true close relationship can be and probably never will. very sensative and christian like. way to go! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams .

From : Annonymous

on thu 9 nov 2006 183702 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote btw kunkel i mentioned your comment to my wife and after she stopped laughing she said that was one of the best jokes she had heard in years. she also said you have no idea of how wonderful a true close relationship can be and probably never will. -- budd cochran well that probably just crushes kunkel. way to go. btw. since budd has kfd me he doesnt see what i write so i feel a littel more loose here. vbfg john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hello john. unfortunately you are wrong. my future wife merely set a condition for dating that is to attend church. she did not specify which church nor demand that i had to become a christian before marriage. as a fact i was not a christian when we took our vows so you are in error. it was just about a year later i took christ as my personal savior. see what happens when you choose to misunderstand what is written the fact that you went to church at the insistence of your lady when you would not have done so on your own makes my observation valid. its called being pussy-whipped. spin it anyway you care to but the fact that you came to your religious consciousness by way of sexual blackmail makes you the worst kind of hypocrite. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

btw kunkel i mentioned your comment to my wife and after she stopped laughing she said that was one of the best jokes she had heard in years. she also said you have no idea of how wonderful a true close relationship can be and probably never will. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hello john. unfortunately you are wrong. my future wife merely set a condition for dating that is to attend church. she did not specify which church nor demand that i had to become a christian before marriage. as a fact i was not a christian when we took our vows so you are in error. it was just about a year later i took christ as my personal savior. see what happens when you choose to misunderstand what is written the fact that you went to church at the insistence of your lady when you would not have done so on your own makes my observation valid. its called being pussy-whipped. spin it anyway you care to but the fact that you came to your religious consciousness by way of sexual blackmail makes you the worst kind of hypocrite. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : john kunkel

i prefer a gasket napa carrys one. remove the bolts-tap cover with hammer. clean it up & reassemble quick & easy job .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

i have to admit you do lend credence to the theory neanderthals were of a lower mental capacity. but we know its really just damage due to the bee stings to your butt . . ..er brain. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams on thu 9 nov 2006 134242 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote rotflmbo!!!! it was you liberals that stole the social security and now those liberals that dont have other income will be in the same boat as i am. bet youre real proud of that. -- budd cochran thats just darwinism working. beekeep -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : beekeep

rotflmbo!!!! it was you liberals that stole the social security and now those liberals that dont have other income will be in the same boat as i am. budd told you before i dont pay into nor will i collect ss. but it is obvious that if your beloved conservatives had won and maintained control they would gutted every senior benifit they could get their hands on rotflmbo!!! now your confusing conservatives with spendocrats. bet youre real proud of that. budd you made you choices stop crying and playing the victim. telling you what your heroes did to the country roy. now ill tell you up front just like every other time you start with me that if you continue you will get your feelings hurt. as i told you before i do not give a fuck about you your situation religion or anything else having to do with you. thats the difference between us roy i do care about you and your eternal soul...and its why im a conservative i care about others. as for any fighting go ahead and start without me. the only winner will be the one of us that is right in the end. -- budd cochran j

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on thu 9 nov 2006 134242 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote rotflmbo!!!! it was you liberals that stole the social security and now those liberals that dont have other income will be in the same boat as i am. bet youre real proud of that. -- budd cochran thats just darwinism working. beekeep . 222 325088 4553a9dd.43121265@usenet.radix.net on thu 9 nov 2006 104848 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote you post and wonder why i think youre an idiot -- budd cochran the problem with that statement is that you no longer have a mind capable of thinking. youre just a jesus robot. beekeep .

From : nosey

rotflmbo!!!! it was you liberals that stole the social security and now those liberals that dont have other income will be in the same boat as i am. budd told you before i dont pay into nor will i collect ss. but it is obvious that if your beloved conservatives had won and maintained control they would gutted every senior benifit they could get their hands on bet youre real proud of that. budd you made you choices stop crying and playing the victim. now ill tell you up front just like every other time you start with me that if you continue you will get your feelings hurt. as i told you before i do not give a fuck about you your situation religion or anything else having to do with you. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

to miles i told you what the bible said about your beliefs you took it to be in your mind what i had said. you misinterpreted what was in black and white on your monitor screen after you had been told it was from the bible and then accused me of proselytizing. in that respect you are doing exactly what roy t-bone theguy et al are doing for they would rather shoot the messenger than hear the message. and if telling you what the bible said was insulting to you then i am sorry you choose to be insulted by gods word but i am not sorry for telling you what the bible says. the bible says that i have done nothing wrong and i have done the will of god. if you find that is offensive then god is offensive to you. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote it does until you try to force your beliefs on others. what do you call it when you tell someone that because of their beliefs they are crazy senile stupid intolerant sub-human despicable etc. and they need to be like yourself to be acceptable budd you told me i am going to hell because of my beliefs. thats only the start. contrary to your statements you have not simply discussed your beliefs on an equal basis. you have not respected mine at all. ill await your apology. i hope that you are much younger than i think you are because you will be waiting a very long time for that to happen. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

ah yes you are such a macho man. not!!!! never did anything that wasnt your own idea . . . .not even for your mother you think what you want kunkel i dont care. i have a wonderful marriage of going on 30 years and im happy with it so stick it wherever it makes you feel good. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams hello john. unfortunately you are wrong. my future wife merely set a condition for dating that is to attend church. she did not specify which church nor demand that i had to become a christian before marriage. as a fact i was not a christian when we took our vows so you are in error. it was just about a year later i took christ as my personal savior. see what happens when you choose to misunderstand what is written the fact that you went to church at the insistence of your lady when you would not have done so on your own makes my observation valid. its called being pussy-whipped. spin it anyway you care to but the fact that you came to your religious consciousness by way of sexual blackmail makes you the worst kind of hypocrite. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

subsequently the check engine light went out and has not come back on for weeks. it is still not on but the codes remain. do i still have the problem indicated by the codes no - if the condition isnt active the check engine light wont illuminate but the codes are still stored for diagnostic purposes. they will eventually clear on their own after a certain number of ignition cycles - but if the ce light isnt on you dont need to worry about it. .

From : tbone

no that would be cnn. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams youre going to use fox as a source kind of reminds me of pravda. no roy it wasnt the dems that voted in the liberal minority fox poll usa 80% conservative 20% liberal it was the conservatives that were complacent too busy my-vote-doesnt-count uninterested unregistered or too darn lazy pick any and all you want a vote cast counts for whom it was cast a vote not cast votes for the opposition. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams youve made a few enemies good! it means you stood up for something. winston churchill wow!! it would seem that a pretty strong message was sent nationally. here in ma we have a d for gov. first time in 16 years. also a black man who did some impressive things during the campaign. he is a strong advocate of stem cell research. so that bodes well. hopefully this country gets turned around. r -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tbone

ah yes i forget . . .truth goes right over the heads of liberals. sorry. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams no roy it wasnt the dems that voted in the liberal minority fox poll usa 80% conservative 20% liberal it was the conservatives that were complacent too busy my-vote-doesnt-count uninterested unregistered or too darn lazy pick any and all you want a vote cast counts for whom it was cast a vote not cast votes for the opposition. wtf are you talking about wow!! it would seem that a pretty strong message was sent nationally. here in ma we have a d for gov. first time in 16 years. also a black man who did some impressive things during the campaign. he is a strong advocate of stem cell research. so that bodes well. hopefully this country gets turned around. r -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

wow!! it would seem that a pretty strong message was sent nationally. here in ma we have a d for gov. first time in 16 years. also a black man who did some impressive things during the campaign. he is a strong advocate of stem cell research. so that bodes well. hopefully this country gets turned around. r .

From : roy

dont fret yourself over it tom. i wouldnt want anyone to think they are less than perfect in their beliefs. simple question budd... who told you that you were dispicable quote the text... .

From : miles

ed h. wrote wow was i way off. no matter. you still qualify as an expert in this ng! ;^ .

From : max dodge

wow!! it would seem that a pretty strong message was sent nationally. here in ma we have a d for gov. first time in 16 years. also a black man who did some impressive things during the campaign. he is a strong advocate of stem cell research. so that bodes well. hopefully this country gets turned around. r turned from what to what .

From : Annonymous

do a search under this group for 75 dodge 1 ton problem a fella posted that one a few weeks back and though were not comparing the exact same problems the responses imo cover just about all the bases when it comes to making old iron run right again. jon kamevil@yahoo.com wrote ive got an 78 dodge power wagon d200 with the 360. the truck wont idle nor stay running. it dies when you stop for light etc... mileage is crap. plugs are fine. timing carburetor the truck only has 55k but it is 28 years old. thought of switching to a thunder series 650 which i probably will do anyway but was hoping to get some insight on what else could be the problem. any help will be appreciated. thanks. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on wed 08 nov 2006 233534 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote yeah he got whacked.... by a democrat who also feels that abortion is a bad idea but supports more funding to the national institute of health and disagrees with bushs latest budget line on that item. nih is the entity that distributes funding for research... such as stem cell. iow we now have a senator who knows that stem cell research is valuable but also has reservatios regarding abortion. obviously contrary to what has been said on this thread opposition to abortion isnt condemnation of stem cell research. we also dumped don sherwood. wonder if he still plans on paying his mistress for keeping quiet till after the election yeah that didnt work so well for him did it .

From : beekeep

yeah he got whacked.... by a democrat who also feels that abortion is a bad idea but supports more funding to the national institute of health and disagrees with bushs latest budget line on that item. nih is the entity that distributes funding for research... such as stem cell. iow we now have a senator who knows that stem cell research is valuable but also has reservatios regarding abortion. obviously contrary to what has been said on this thread opposition to abortion isnt condemnation of stem cell research. we also dumped don sherwood. wonder if he still plans on paying his mistress for keeping quiet till after the election -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. dont seem like many agreed with him. looks like he lost by a large margin. roy .

From : tom lawrence

ive got an 78 dodge power wagon d200 with the 360. the truck wont idle nor stay running. it dies when you stop for light etc... mileage is crap. plugs are fine. timing carburetor the truck only has 55k but it is 28 years old. thought of switching to a thunder series 650 which i probably will do anyway but was hoping to get some insight on what else could be the problem. any help will be appreciated. thanks. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

diddlywhoot wrote ever heard of bush-wacker listening to anybody. umm ... no not really sure what youre asking here. i did find it interesting that rather than the usual 2 bad choices that texans had to choose from for governor there were 4 bad choices. perry republican was re-elected with 39% of the vote. i wonder if it has crossed his mind yet that 61% of the state doesnt want him in office two reasons 1 more toll roads. i already pay road tax ... what is that used for 2 trans-texas corridor. environmental nightmare ... and being constructed by a mexican owned company. hear that giant sucking sound its our jobs. craig c. .

From : craig c

hello john. unfortunately you are wrong. my future wife merely set a condition for dating that is to attend church. she did not specify which church nor demand that i had to become a christian before marriage. as a fact i was not a christian when we took our vows so you are in error. it was just about a year later i took christ as my personal savior. see what happens when you choose to misunderstand what is written -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams simple answer tom. max implied that anyone that opposed stem cell research for any reason was being despicable and selfish and in the same breath commented how he himself had selfish reasons for wanting stem cell research to succeed.. ergo according to max since i despise research requiring human embryonic / fetal / zygote cells i am despicable. he is merely a hypocrite. it takes one to know one. how would you characterize an individual who by his own words went from being an agnostic to being a bible-spouting christian at the insistence of his spouse -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : john kunkel

im not happy either but thats not important. the insult was directed at a group i include myself in therefore i was insulted. and im sure someone will come along and start in on me about how i shouldnt be insulted yada yada yada. its not for them to decide if i should be insulted or not. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams simple answer tom. max implied that anyone that opposed stem cell research for any reason was being despicable i suppose one could say that max also implied an elephant could fit through a mouse hole if one read deeply enough into his posts. for me i dont see it. perhaps if you quoted the text of his post where he called you despicable or the text that led you to believe he was implying that you were despicable it might clear things up. are you happy now no budd... im not happy about any of this. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tom lawrence

on wed 08 nov 2006 025328 gmt test test@test.com wrote how many people does it take to unscrew the bulb on 7 nov 2006 145840 -0800 brian brians4@skybest.com wrote does anyone know how to turn off the maintance required light on a 92 ram 150 took it to autozone but they said they didnt know how to turn it off. i have unhooked the battery a few times but it still stays on. thanks how about unscrewing the light bulb beekeep 12 - 10 to turn the truck 1 to hold the bulb and 1 to read the bible to see if unscrewing the bulb is ethical. beekeep .

From : miles

i think that thread was long enough and i do think hitler was mentioned so isnt it officially dead anyway i couldnt figure out where to insert this so started a new thread. this has been in the hereabout but i got the summary from slashdot.com a private members bill has passed the australian senate which paves the way for the cloning of embryos to gather stem cells. while it only passed by a narrow margin it is expected to gain support in the house. from the article the final shape of the bill is now subject to further debate on amendments including measures to toughen penalties for breaches of cloning regulations and possibly a move to stop the use of animal tissue in the cloning process. please note this isnt about cloning people or animals this is about cloning embryos for stem cells. now i must put on my flameproof suit before returning here jmc .

From : miles

i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. dont seem like many agreed with him. looks like he lost by a large margin. roy .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote dont fret yourself over it tom. i wouldnt want anyone to think they are less than perfect in their beliefs. tolerance is a one way street in this group and i wont go down that street. true it is one way here. you have no respect for others that believe differently than yourself. you didnt used to be this way. hope the old budd makes it back soon! .

From : bill allemann

low on coolant. make sure you have all the air out when you fill it. larry behold beware believe i have a 5.2 v8 5 sp.my problem is every so often the temp gage goes to max hot but blows cold air.turn ig on off several times it settles down to normal & blows hot air.any help would be appreciated. thanks -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

given that the federal government has seen fit to fund many different types of research on a wide array of human illness the lack of funding to stem cell research isnt based on monetary reasons but ethical reasons. the fact still remains re lack of funding to stem cell research. you have used the common tactic of combining two subjects. there is considerable funding for adult stem cell research. abortion is not part of the stem cell research issue. sadly many politicians do not realize this nor do their rabid constituants. i didnt mention abortion at all. changing the subject entirely is another common tactic. so do you work for msnbc .

From : chris thompson

how many people does it take to unscrew the bulb on 7 nov 2006 145840 -0800 brian brians4@skybest.com wrote does anyone know how to turn off the maintance required light on a 92 ram 150 took it to autozone but they said they didnt know how to turn it off. i have unhooked the battery a few times but it still stays on. thanks how about unscrewing the light bulb beekeep .

From : tom lawrence

chris thompson wrote less. also a while back i posted some scripture about fruitless and futile arguments but i see those were ignored as this has continued as long as it has. i also find that interesting. respectfully chris perhaps the reason your post was ignored was *because* you used scripture to make the point. we have fuhrer cochran cramming scripture down our throat ... using all of the classic horseshit that organized religion uses guilt and fear. yes but we both know who i aimed it at. although i honestly believe its good advice for everyone i was just laying a reminder out for those who claim familarity with the book. fighting fire with fire is rarely the solution especially when it comes to religion. even among like-minded individuals. agreed. that method is best left to actual fire fighting. now these are just my observations and as such are to be taken as exactly that. i think everyone agrees that they are simply making observations as well. i had a solution only talk about trucks in a.a.d.t. but that was laughed at. maybe if i put it in scripture format craig 11 - and finally on the tenth day of the fort-night of the 40th hour past the autumn passover ye shall grant me 50 beautiful female virgins weighing not more than 130 lbs. and not less than 110 lbs. craig 12 - do not mock me a.a.d.t. shall be for truck talk. so i say so it shall be done. dont make me go fundamental on ya. lol you going fundamental means what your gonna rebuild a 225 or your going to go back to driving a mechanical 12 valve *big grin* - craig c. .

From : max dodge

1162940320.104632.316540@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com brian brians4@skybest.com wrote does anyone know how to turn off the maintance required light on a 92 ram 150 took it to autozone but they said they didnt know how to turn it off. i have unhooked the battery a few times but it still stays on. thanks requires a capable scan tool. .

From : beekeep

does anyone know how to turn off the maintance required light on a 92 ram 150 took it to autozone but they said they didnt know how to turn it off. i have unhooked the battery a few times but it still stays on. thanks .

From : bob m

on tue 07 nov 2006 153100 gmt theguy@whatever.net wrote very good advice. watching him go down the path that he has is not something that i can not revel in any longer. something has gone very wrong with his mind and to reply is not fun anymore its almost like being a bully. he is not well. i think that to just ignore him when he goes off is best at least for me. hey - snoman just gave someone here some reasonable advice so anything is posible. maybe the old budd will come back! beekeep .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote no it isnt pkb at all. i believe the bible to be inspired and inerrant and does not need special or modern interpretation. but you do need to read it in a prayerful worshipful manner. i call it as i see it. and youre blind as a bat. bob .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote im sorry my one time friend but you are wrong according to scriptures and i have no need to continue discussing this. we can never agree as your view is contrary to scripture. where specifically in the bible does it talk about stem cell research or are you interpreting the bible yourself and applying it to modern topics to suit your needs .

From : craig c

budd cochran wrote also one that is very close to the scriptures is the evangelical free church. dont hesitate to interview a pastor as you would an employee. if he objects then try somewhere else as a pastor is a servant not a king. ask what is believed and what is taught. some questions you might want to ask 1 have you ever had gay sex with a male prostitute 2 have you ever purchased crystal-meth or any other illegal drug while being in a position of spiritual responsibility 3 have you ever groped an alter boy/girl 4 have your beliefs ever been the cause of a murder or suicide 5 have you ever used the bible to coerce someone into disowning a family member because they didnt believe the correct way 6 have you ever tried to persuade your members to change their political view to your own or am i to just shut the heck up and go away heck isnt the correct terminology. of someone that cared about you as a friend or the kind of advice someone that doesnt care about others gives i used the bibles teachings to help me advise you my friend. too bad hes only your friend as long as he doesnt openly disagree with you. how do i get along with them if they dont want to hear about my beliefs they shut up about theirs and keep the missionaries away. i have neighbors around me that are mormon catholic and jehovahs witness. jws are taught to avoid people like you. youre too much work. why waste time trying to convert you when theres 9 zillion mexicans that are easier about results how do you know what results they still have are correct what are afraid of if you dont want the benefits that stem cells could produce ... dont opt for that cure. stem cells are the next medical frontier. no corrupt religion or politician will squash that for long. there are too many reasonable/logical people out there. craig c. .

From : craig c

on 7 nov 2006 071155 -0800 art dracotiger@gmail.com wrote i saw this posted earlier but did not see a solution. my 2003 ram 1500 hemi has had a flickering engine light. it flickers now and aqain for no apparent reason. it statered flicker about 6 months ago. i took it in for service but they could not find anything wrong. a month later it went continuous and they replaced some lines on the gas tank. i drove it off and the light started the flickering again. took it back and they could find anything wrong. two days ago became constant again and the problem they say was a faulty leak detector. drove it off and the engine light started flickering again. its back in the shop and im getting pissed. i think the dodge shop is just repairing what they think is the problem and just clearing the code. any ideas. something is faulting intermittantly first thing to do here is to get out of the dark and read what is going on. go to a advanced auto or the like and they can code read your truck for free and see what the errors are so that you have some first hand knowledge in your pocket when you go to dealer as to what may actually be wrong. ----------------- thesnoman.com .

From : Annonymous

chris thompson wrote less. also a while back i posted some scripture about fruitless and futile arguments but i see those were ignored as this has continued as long as it has. i also find that interesting. respectfully chris perhaps the reason your post was ignored was *because* you used scripture to make the point. we have fuhrer cochran cramming scripture down our throat ... using all of the classic horseshit that organized religion uses guilt and fear. fighting fire with fire is rarely the solution especially when it comes to religion. even among like-minded individuals. now these are just my observations and as such are to be taken as exactly that. i think everyone agrees that they are simply making observations as well. i had a solution only talk about trucks in a.a.d.t. but that was laughed at. maybe if i put it in scripture format craig 11 - and finally on the tenth day of the fort-night of the 40th hour past the autumn passover ye shall grant me 50 beautiful female virgins weighing not more than 130 lbs. and not less than 110 lbs. craig 12 - do not mock me a.a.d.t. shall be for truck talk. so i say so it shall be done. dont make me go fundamental on ya. - craig c. .

From : Annonymous

roy wrote miles stop and think for a minute. sad but his whole thing has become m= ore and more unreasonable as time goes on.. it may be a change of meds or some other problem but getting upset or into a argument is pointless. it could be meds that are causing the acute reaction that we have witnessed here over the past 3-4 months. prior to that i had a lengthy email conversation with him about alternative energy and my pursuit of an environmental science degree. he was still a close-minded asshole ... but nothing compared to recent events. remember also he is a self proclaimed fundamentalist. =3d=3d*=3d=3d fun=b7da=b7men=b7tal=b7ism fnd-mntl-zm pronunciation key audio pronunciation of fundamentalist p n=2e 1. a usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles by rigid adherence to those principles and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism. =3d=3d*=3d=3d the exact same menality of classic nut jobs such as hitler hussein and bin laden. =20 craig c. .

From : roy

on tue 7 nov 2006 095059 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote budd cochran wrote my point is simple my beliefs are not the topic my beliefs are not open to suggestion or correction and no one has the right to tell me my opinions are wrong because of what i believe what a complete hypocrite!! you have made every attempt to tell me my beliefs are wrong. you have even gone so far as to tell me flat out that you need to correct me. unbelievable budd!! you need to start living by your own words and get off your soapbox. miles stop and think for a minute. sad but his whole thing has become more and more unreasonable as time goes on.. it may be a change of meds or some other problem but getting upset or into a argument is pointless. very good advice. watching him go down the path that he has is not something that i can not revel in any longer. something has gone very wrong with his mind and to reply is not fun anymore its almost like being a bully. he is not well. i think that to just ignore him when he goes off is best at least for me. im one of the few here that did have respect for you and your beliefs. we all did. but after a bit it tends to get old. .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote my point is simple my beliefs are not the topic my beliefs are not open to suggestion or correction and no one has the right to tell me my opinions are wrong because of what i believe what a complete hypocrite!! you have made every attempt to tell me my beliefs are wrong. you have even gone so far as to tell me flat out that you need to correct me. unbelievable budd!! you need to start living by your own words and get off your soapbox. miles stop and think for a minute. sad but his whole thing has become more and more unreasonable as time goes on.. it may be a change of meds or some other problem but getting upset or into a argument is pointless. im one of the few here that did have respect for you and your beliefs. we all did. but after a bit it tends to get old. .

From : miles

sounds like you have air in your cooling system somewhere. try bleeding the air out and see if that takes care of it. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels i have a 5.2 v8 5 sp.my problem is every so often the temp gage goes to max hot but blows cold air.turn ig on off several times it settles down to normal & blows hot air.any help would be appreciated. thanks .

From : azwiley1

i voted early last week to be exact. i find the computerized voting machines to be very easy to use. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams in the morning remember to vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats right get up in the morning its erection day! -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

in the morning remember to vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! thats right get up in the morning its erection day! .

From : bigironram

in the morning remember to vote!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

also a while back i posted some scripture about fruitless and futile arguments but i see those were ignored as this has continued as long as it has. i also find that interesting. the logic of two ears and one mouth is frequently lost on some posters. this reaction may also be interesting .

From : Annonymous

budd cochran wrote personally i have no problem with taxing denominations fyi. i do have problems with those that think they can re-write the bible and the basic interpretations to suit themselves as you are doing and i am intolerant in that respect as a true bible believing christian should be. now if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black. bob .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

well looks like what could have been a decent discussion is pretty much over. but tuesday is the day. hopefully things will change with the vote!! roy i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in passing legislation that remains consistent with those values. the recent confirmations of chief justice john roberts and associate justice samuel a. alito jr. to the supreme court of the united states mark a pivotal point in our highest courts history as several issues related to abortion are anticipated to come before the court for consideration. while we do not know with certainty how the court will rule on many of these matters there is optimism among pro-life supporters about further review of some of these important issues. building a culture of life in our society will also require efforts that reach beyond the courts. through participation in rallies demonstrations

From : chris thompson

no it isnt pkb at all. i believe the bible to be inspired and inerrant and does not need special or modern interpretation. but you do need to read it in a prayerful worshipful manner. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 id rather live assuming there is a god only to die and find out there isnt then to live my whole life assuming there isnt a god only to find out there is. peter barry our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams budd cochran wrote personally i have no problem with taxing denominations fyi. i do have problems with those that think they can re-write the bible and the basic interpretations to suit themselves as you are doing and i am intolerant in that respect as a true bible believing christian should be. now if that isnt the pot calling the kettle black. bob -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tom lawrence

azwiley1 wrote comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... btw also of note in the new issue of dieselpower cummins is playing with two new engines a v-6 and a v-8 both considerably lighter then the i6. hmmm a 1/2 diesel sounds a little more realistic with something like that. ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. .

From : john kunkel

azwiley1 wrote comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... btw also of note in the new issue of dieselpower cummins is playing with two new engines a v-6 and a v-8 both considerably lighter then the i6. hmmm a 1/2 diesel sounds a little more realistic with something like that. ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. back in the early 80s dodge did offer a half ton truck with a diesel. if i remember correctly is was a 6 cylinder supplied by nissan. i drove one of these truck and found it a bit sluggish but the fellow that owned it was extremely happy with the fuel economy. does anyone know more about this package .

From : bob m

im sorry my one time friend but you are wrong according to scriptures and i have no need to continue discussing this. we can never agree as your view is contrary to scripture. since youre intent on basing your objection based on scripture perhaps you might want to read genesis 27 and the lord god formed man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. this clearly states that life begins witrh the first breath not at the moment of conception. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

thanks... here ya go http//www.jettrax.com/index.htm -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels ill take a look through my pwc rags and see what i can find for you. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels hi i am a welder of 26 years. i had seen webpage that showed a dual waverunner holder that would carry them over the roof of my truck. i am using a dodge 1 ton dually stretch cab and am pulling a fifth wheel trailer. legalities in my province state that i cant pull anything behind my fiver. has anyone seen such a roof rack that i could see photos of ill be damned if i can find that web page and have googled every phrase i can think of in this regard. thanks for any help.... jimi .

From : beekeep

on sun 5 nov 2006 235456 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote looks like ya should have gone for the bet. why the pats didnt stay with the run is beyond me. the penalties were unreal. too much hype for brady too many turnovers. im going to put my head in a vise! roy look at the bright side - harvick won his 9th busch race and came in third in the cup race heard some stuff went on with riggs crew when harvick was leaving the track. hey rather than putting your head in a vice why not just give budds c-clamp another twist right! roy beekeep psthe skins did beat dallas! .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

not really . . .the dark ages came about because of the corruptions of the teachings by various religious groups like the catholics not fundamentalists. did he just bash catholics .

From : max dodge

on sat 4 nov 2006 145000 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 4 nov 2006 135506 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 4 nov 2006 070833 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. roy is foxboro an outside stadium and if so what will the weather be like sunday it is outside. as for the weather lows in the 30s wind 10-15mph. rain nope should be a nice crisp night. colts by 2 i could only wish. i hate to admit it but the pats will win this one. well thats a start anyway.vbg no im got getting on any wagon but manning wont get it done. it should be a good game if tha pats can get the running game going. roy looks like ya should have gone for the bet. why the pats didnt stay with the run is beyond me. the penalties were unreal. too much hype for brady too many turnovers. im going to put my head in a vise! roy denny .

From : max dodge

i have a 1991 dodge ram 50. yes i know it really isnt a dodge! and the transmition started to go out on it. it has the 42rh transmition. i had a transmition from a salvage yard put in and it works good except for a few things that seem strange. 1. i have no over drive now. the old transmition had overdrive and it did work. but now it wont shift into 4th over drive gear. what i think is odd is the switch on my stearing wheel that turns overdrive on and off wont light up the light in the dash showing me if it is on or off. 2. no reverse lights now i am not positive but i do believe that the lights worked before the transmititon was changed. i did check the fuse and the bulbs and they are ok. 3. while it seems to work good the service tech that put it in thought it was odd that he had to adjust the throttal linkage all the way max to get it to shift right he said it kept shifting too fast. when they installed it they did a complete flush and filter replacement. is any of this related is it fixable or do i need to get another new transmition thank you. .

From : max dodge

thanks! i dont want to destroy the plants and grass next to the walk so i guess ill be reading labels too roy muratic acid works real well too.. can buy it at hd in the garden section. have a concrete walk that leaves were on and stained. tried to pressure wash but nada. was moving the concrete. gotta be some solution to put down first. gas didnt move it. some accidentally spilled so i figured let it soak but nothing. any thoughtstia roy you can use a concrete etcher/cleaner like found at lowes. i think they have the cleaner alone or the etcher/cleaner like you use before you put down concrete paint. either works well on bare concrete. there are also other cleaners commercially avail but i have no experience with these. the etcher/cleaner i used in the garage before i painted the floor worked extremely well got up the oil dripped from i assume contractors vehicles and the paint is holding well on top of that. i used the h&c products as that was the paint we selected and figured we would stick with the same manufacturer throughout the project. thanks! ill grab some in the morning. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : roy

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 05-nov-06 1125 am suddenly without warning stormin mormon exclaimed 04-nov-06 1151 pm youve just crashed your plane in the arctic wilds. its gonna be a week before you get rescued. you have a couple cases of cookies to eat plus the tent heater and so on. what kind of cookies did you bring well if it was cases of cookies probably cases of girl scout cookies. doesnt matter which kind. theyll last forever. i was going to say chocolate chip but theyd not last long enough. the plane woulda probably crashed cause i was eating the cookies rather than watching where i was going a woman that i could grow to love.................. vbg denny jmc easy to please if all you expect from a woman is good chocolate chip cookies jmc not all that easy to please. shed have to concoct a killer pan of lasagna and help finish off a crave case of white castles too.. tell her the rest!! you could start by explaining your penchant for running around in a now huge pink rabbit suit. or maybe your hideing the mavhine no we wont go there. if you plan on feeding the rabbit. it is i guess like feeding the crew of a aircraft carrier. it is never ending. i know i ve seen him in action. his poor daughter as soon as the food was served she grabbed her plate and ran from the restaurent. the rabbit muttered something like ill get her desert. so there it is be prepared. bfg talk about concocting a big pan of bullshit...... there are about five true works typed and the rest........... since when do facts enter our bs vbg roy since when do facts enter much of anything in here anymore denny .

From : john kunkel

have a concrete walk that leaves were on and stained. tried to pressure wash but nada. was moving the concrete. gotta be some solution to put down first. gas didnt move it. some accidentally spilled so i figured let it soak but nothing. any thoughtstia roy you can use a concrete etcher/cleaner like found at lowes. i think they have the cleaner alone or the etcher/cleaner like you use before you put down concrete paint. either works well on bare concrete. there are also other cleaners commercially avail but i have no experience with these. the etcher/cleaner i used in the garage before i painted the floor worked extremely well got up the oil dripped from i assume contractors vehicles and the paint is holding well on top of that. i used the h&c products as that was the paint we selected and figured we would stick with the same manufacturer throughout the project. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : roy

have a concrete walk that leaves were on and stained. tried to pressure wash but nada. was moving the concrete. gotta be some solution to put down first. gas didnt move it. some accidentally spilled so i figured let it soak but nothing. any thoughtstia roy .

From : Annonymous

i honestly dont know but we have only put 4k miles on it in the last 2 years since the dealer flushed it. think changing the filter may help youre treating this as if it were an operating defect it isnt its just a defect in design. start the engine in neutral and you wont have the problem. when was the trannys filter last changed i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar what can i do to fix this problem -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

ive got a 75 dodge 1 ton .rv. my brother who is always looking for problems says the rear springs are collapsed or weakened and i need helper springs. i of course dont want to spend any money and would like to ignore this problem if possible. but is there an easy or cheap solution. we have a machine shop so making something would be my second choise after ignoring it. buying some fancy helper springs aint gona happen to something that sits 365 days a year. rosco .

From : max dodge

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 05-nov-06 1125 am suddenly without warning stormin mormon exclaimed 04-nov-06 1151 pm youve just crashed your plane in the arctic wilds. its gonna be a week before you get rescued. you have a couple cases of cookies to eat plus the tent heater and so on. what kind of cookies did you bring well if it was cases of cookies probably cases of girl scout cookies. doesnt matter which kind. theyll last forever. i was going to say chocolate chip but theyd not last long enough. the plane woulda probably crashed cause i was eating the cookies rather than watching where i was going a woman that i could grow to love.................. vbg denny jmc easy to please if all you expect from a woman is good chocolate chip cookies jmc not all that easy to please. shed have to concoct a killer pan of lasagna and help finish off a crave case of white castles too.. tell her the rest!! you could start by explaining your penchant for running around in a now huge pink rabbit suit. or maybe your hideing the mavhine no we wont go there. if you plan on feeding the rabbit. it is i guess like feeding the crew of a aircraft carrier. it is never ending. i know i ve seen him in action. his poor daughter as soon as the food was served she grabbed her plate and ran from the restaurent. the rabbit muttered something like ill get her desert. so there it is be prepared. bfg roy denny .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 05-nov-06 1125 am suddenly without warning stormin mormon exclaimed 04-nov-06 1151 pm youve just crashed your plane in the arctic wilds. its gonna be a week before you get rescued. you have a couple cases of cookies to eat plus the tent heater and so on. what kind of cookies did you bring well if it was cases of cookies probably cases of girl scout cookies. doesnt matter which kind. theyll last forever. i was going to say chocolate chip but theyd not last long enough. the plane woulda probably crashed cause i was eating the cookies rather than watching where i was going a woman that i could grow to love.................. vbg denny jmc easy to please if all you expect from a woman is good chocolate chip cookies jmc .

From : max dodge

what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg ya dont have to tip at white castles..... ya shouldnt have to pay for them either!! the medicinal value alone is worth more than the cost of the burger... hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. do ya think im gonna tell you anything after all the shit youve been giving me bg thats okay i put a deposit on one this afternoon. i couldnt find much negative doing a bunch of reading so i figure id give it a shot. i havent seen much of any problems with the charger yet but i havent seen one with very many miles on it yet either. we got in three police versions with 10-15000 miles on them and other than the tires had been boiled down to nothing i couldnt find anything to fix. the evil black version runs damned good id almost hate to punch it in a srt8. it sounds like they spent some time and thought before they punched the hemi to 6.1. im sure ill find out. i was more curios on the cutting out of cyl. at highway speed. im old enough to remember when caddy had this. a friend had one and they spent weeks trying to get all 8 running again. thats one area i dont think youll need to worry about. it is so seamlessly done that the driver doesnt feel it at all. maybe if youre good you may notice a change in the tone of the exhaust when it happens. the problem that we was warned about in class was to make sure you only use the 5w20 oil in it. if you use thicker oil the sleeve in the lifters will not react/rotate quick enough when cylinder activation/deactivation enables and youll end up with a cyl misfire fault with a cute little engine light on. weve had several complaints of the cyls not dropping out at highway speeds and we end up taking the cust for a ride with the starscan hooked up to show them the system is working. hmmm..... thats good to know i was going to step the oil up in fl. what is the factory fill dino or syn was planning on m-1. roy denny .

From : craig c

what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg ya dont have to tip at white castles..... ya shouldnt have to pay for them either!! the medicinal value alone is worth more than the cost of the burger... hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. do ya think im gonna tell you anything after all the shit youve been giving me bg thats okay i put a deposit on one this afternoon. i couldnt find much negative doing a bunch of reading so i figure id give it a shot. i havent seen much of any problems with the charger yet but i havent seen one with very many miles on it yet either. we got in three police versions with 10-15000 miles on them and other than the tires had been boiled down to nothing i couldnt find anything to fix. the evil black version runs damned good id almost hate to punch it in a srt8. it sounds like they spent some time and thought before they punched the hemi to 6.1. im sure ill find out. i was more curios on the cutting out of cyl. at highway speed. im old enough to remember when caddy had this. a friend had one and they spent weeks trying to get all 8 running again. thats one area i dont think youll need to worry about. it is so seamlessly done that the driver doesnt feel it at all. maybe if youre good you may notice a change in the tone of the exhaust when it happens. the problem that we was warned about in class was to make sure you only use the 5w20 oil in it. if you use thicker oil the sleeve in the lifters will not react/rotate quick enough when cylinder activation/deactivation enables and youll end up with a cyl misfire fault with a cute little engine light on. weve had several complaints of the cyls not dropping out at highway speeds and we end up taking the cust for a ride with the starscan hooked up to show them the system is working. denny .

From : roy

on nov 5 601 am budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote i am truly sorry scott. i had believed you to be a person that would not attack conservative fundamental christianity and you just did. and sadly your reason is selfishness. he didnt attack you or christianity you senile old fart. how can his intentions be selfish when hes advocating finding cures for other people goodbye it was nice knowing you and i have decided i will not listen anymore to those that deride my beliefs as those people have no right to do so even when they themselves are screaming i need to be tolerant. i need to be tolerant of their intolerance i guess since they wont be. why dont you just completely disappear youve managed to anger everyone. even the people that felt sorry for you dont want to have anything to do with you. craig c. -- hes your god. theyre your rules. you burn in hell. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg ya dont have to tip at white castles..... hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. do ya think im gonna tell you anything after all the shit youve been giving me bg denny .

From : max dodge

on sat 4 nov 2006 145000 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 4 nov 2006 135506 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 4 nov 2006 070833 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats.

From : max dodge

pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. roy is foxboro an outside stadium and if so what will the weather be like sunday it is outside. as for the weather lows in the 30s wind 10-15mph. rain nope should be a nice crisp night. colts by 2 i could only wish. i hate to admit it but the pats will win this one. well thats a start anyway.vbg no im got getting on any wagon but manning wont get it done. it should be a good game if tha pats can get the running game going. roy denny . 222 324877 pzednu0iye3gc9dynz2dnuvzt6dnz2d@comcast.com what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg ya dont have to tip at white castles..... ya shouldnt have to pay for them either!! hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. do ya think im gonna tell you anything after all the shit youve been giving me bg thats okay i put a deposit on one this afternoon. i couldnt find much negative doing a bunch of reading so i figure id give it a shot. roy denny .

From : john kunkel

jon wrote hey i want in somebody call me a pole smoking liberal homo tree hugger or straightedge conservative born-again christian....im gonna freaking die if i dont get attention... a.a.d.t. is a one-stop-shopping ng. come on in get information on lift pumps stem cells and jesus. if youre lucky you escape without being called a bigot. craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : craig c

thanks. didnt think of that. im used to single battery vehicles. excellent education moment. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. whats the diff negative or positive why do you have to disconnect one instead of the other -- christopher a. young safety reasons chris. if you drop the neg connector onto metal it is neg to neg not a big deal. if you drop the pos onto that metal it is pos to neg. might not be a big a deal when you have one battery but when you have two as in the ctd it puts on an impressive show. fmb north mexico .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

suddenly without warning stormin mormon exclaimed 04-nov-06 1146 pm couple weeks ago coloroado got a snow storm. so also did buffalo ny. what to do to prepare tires antifreeze and so on. test the generator in case the power goes out. hmmm... triggered a memory from my college days in wyoming. spent a weekend learning winter survival skills at the college camp in the rockies where we learned if you cant see you cant drive! then the next morning the loaded us into the schoolbus in a blinding snowstorm on a steep mountain road with a cliff on one side. i sat up front and could not tell where the road fell away. so much for practicing what you preached. jmc .

From : beekeep

what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. roy .

From : beekeep

on fri 3 nov 2006 174442 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote medically its a fertilized human egg scripturally its a human. which has the higher authority as far as im concerned not the medical profession. sorry my friend but i cannot give up my beliefs for any one or any experts. -- budd cochran ok ok craig c and roy..........you were right. i know it hurts to say that. but over time you will get use to it. look at the rabbit.vbg bite me!! just cause i refuse to jump on your lopsided wagon...... bg denny .

From : beekeep

on fri 3 nov 2006 143459 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote i figure this will go well into the weekend and the chuckles will multiply. he maintains hes not reading anything i post so ill be held blameless. on the other hand you bunch of bigoted c-bashing assaulting jackals will be subject to all his wrath and indignation. gbfg roy you left out child killer. beekeep .

From : Annonymous

on nov 4 1255 pm roy r...@home.net wrote it is outside. as for the weather lows in the 30s wind 10-15mph. pats by 7. unfortunately the colts suffer from the same issue that the eagles have an unbalanced offensive scheme. pats defense and the weather will shut down the passing game for indy. eagles babee! craig c. .

From : bill allemann

on sat 4 nov 2006 070833 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote what do we have for a subject well we have maxs stem cell thread that was going to be real interesting until our nazi hijacked it. i dont mean that it was a bs post. the nazi maintains he doesnt read me so we could start it again here. or we have the pats and manning sun. night. brady seems to have hit full stride and manning well hes manning until he comes to foxboro. they have beat the pats once here. seems that the pats get into his head when he plays here. something else that should be interesting is adam vinaiteri will make his first appearance at foxboro since leaving the pats. the pats failure to keep who is probably the best clutch kicker ever about caused a riot here when word got out that he was gone. hell he carried the pats to 2 super bowls. sooo rabbit heres your chance again! so far ya lost dinner drinks and desert. how about we go for the tip or ya can say those words and jump on the wagon!!!! gbmfg hey! im still waiting on info on the charger srt8. any problems i have been unable to find any. roy is foxboro an outside stadium and if so what will the weather be like sunday it is outside. as for the weather lows in the 30s wind 10-15mph. .

From : max dodge

hello nine one one there are three boys writing their names in me... im melting..... -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. is he ok -- i am so confused borzoi .

From : jon

hey i want in somebody call me a pole smoking liberal homo tree hugger or straightedge conservative born-again christian....im gonna freaking die if i dont get attention... jon be careful what you say jon. you might offend the pole smoking liberal homo tree hugging straightedge conservative born-again christian. -- ken .

From : roy

stem cells come from more things than fetal tissue. http//www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/about/faq.htm people should really come up with facts before condemning research. -- max really max you expect a bible-thumping hypocrite to arm himself with facts before entering a debate tsk tsk tsk. .

From : craig c

oh yeah go for the gold i finally made it and i didnt even have to hurl an insult. america is truly the greatest country! oh wait this is the internet. and to answer well originally i thought i might learn something...but with a billion ot posts i have to see what the commotion is about....like temptation in the garden of eden budd cochran wrote so tell me something did you have someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it if not then why did you -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams man oh man the only good part about this argument that some day ill be dead and wont have to read this -- its like a train wreck i cant turn away from. i can accept that its part of christian doctrine to spread the word of god and that some people see endless arguing as sport... hey i want in somebody call me a pole smoking liberal homo tree hugger or straightedge conservative born-again christian....im gonna freaking die if i dont get attention... jon craig c. wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy just wondering. i bet he bails on this discussion. his argument is illogical. granted thats never stopped him before ... so who knows ... craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

less to squeeze no fuel no fire compression fired engine shuts down by shutting fuel off. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. i didnt have too much warning on this only a few occurrences of problems that were scattered pretty much timewise. it was odd that with the ignition off the starter seemed to be turning the engine over much faster than normal. any theory on that bill would pulling the fuel system relay at least shut the truck off or would it be best to let it run while pulling the battery cables turning the key off would shut off the engine. its not a run-away engine but a run-away starter. id say its better to leave the engine running while dealing with the batteries because at least that way theres less strain on the starter meaning less amp draw as compared to asking it to crank over the engine all on its own. of course that presents its own set of problems because we know that its a bad idea to remove the batteries from an engines electrical system while its operating because the batteries tend to smooth out any voltage spikes generated from the alternator which could otherwise damage electrical components. its a bad scene no matter how you look at it.... best to replace the contacts before they get this bad .

From : roy

sounds like your on the right track. your going to be looking for something making the belt track off or not hold proper tension. if the idler is leaning then the belt will track out of correct position and squeal or chirp if the tensioner is locking up then the belt will do the same. simple check grab the belt near the tensioner rh/passenger side of the truck between the alt and crankshaft give the belt a firm pull the tensioner should deflect and quickly return. if you are unable to move the tensioner by pulling on the belt or if you move it but it doesnt readily return then the tensioner is locking up in its pivot and is not keeping correct tension on the belt. also check your power steering pulley it should be pressed onto the power steering pump shaft such that the shaft and end flange of the pulley are flush if they are not then the pulley has walked off the shaft some and could be a cause ive seen this a time or two. hope this is some helpful information. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. i have a 318 dakota with 75k miles that has developed an almost constant chirping sound when stopped in gear or in park at idle. it sounds like maybe a bearing making noise to me. with the engine running and listening to the devices on the serpentine alternator power steering pump compressor etc. using a block of wood the only thing that sounds abnormal to me is a grinding noise in one of the tensioners im not sure of its correct name but its one of the pulleys that guide the serpentine belt. am i going down the right path here or might it be something else if im right what are the implications of not replacing it can it just be lubed thank you for any advice you can give. .

From : Annonymous

i have a 318 dakota with 75k miles that has developed an almost constant chirping sound when stopped in gear or in park at idle. it sounds like maybe a bearing making noise to me. with the engine running and listening to the devices on the serpentine alternator power steering pump compressor etc. using a block of wood the only thing that sounds abnormal to me is a grinding noise in one of the tensioners im not sure of its correct name but its one of the pulleys that guide the serpentine belt. am i going down the right path here or might it be something else if im right what are the implications of not replacing it can it just be lubed thank you for any advice you can give. .

From : Annonymous

i didnt have too much warning on this only a few occurrences of problems that were scattered pretty much timewise. it was odd that with the ignition off the starter seemed to be turning the engine over much faster than normal. any theory on that bill would pulling the fuel system relay at least shut the truck off or would it be best to let it run while pulling the battery cables turning the key off would shut off the engine. its not a run-away engine but a run-away starter. id say its better to leave the engine running while dealing with the batteries because at least that way theres less strain on the starter meaning less amp draw as compared to asking it to crank over the engine all on its own. of course that presents its own set of problems because we know that its a bad idea to remove the batteries from an engines electrical system while its operating because the batteries tend to smooth out any voltage spikes generated from the alternator which could otherwise damage electrical components. its a bad scene no matter how you look at it.... best to replace the contacts before they get this bad .

From : roy

i honestly dont know but we have only put 4k miles on it in the last 2 years since the dealer flushed it. think changing the filter may help when was the trannys filter last changed i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar what can i do to fix this problem -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

on nov 3 840 pm roy r...@home.net wrote see indirectly he is a bit funny. narrow minded assholes can be funny. look at jerry jones or t.o. - craig c. .

From : craig c

unfortunately i wouldnt know what relay to pull or where it is. whats the pdc bill bill allemann wrote needing a toolbox with you to shut off the engine wtf i would have thought something like this would be on a safety recall or something. did you try pulling any relays in the pdc would that work -- ken .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 3 nov 2006 174547 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote so tell me something did you have someone holding a gun to your head and forcing you to read it if not then why did you well i dont want to speak for jon but perhaps just for the entertainment value. perhaps -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams man oh man the only good part about this argument that some day ill be dead and wont have to read this -- its like a train wreck i cant turn away from. i can accept that its part of christian doctrine to spread the word of god and that some people see endless arguing as sport... hey i want in somebody call me a pole smoking liberal homo tree hugger or straightedge conservative born-again christian....im gonna freaking die if i dont get attention... jon craig c. wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy just wondering. i bet he bails on this discussion. his argument is illogical. granted thats never stopped him before ... so who knows ... craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on fri 3 nov 2006 174442 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote medically its a fertilized human egg scripturally its a human. which has the higher authority as far as im concerned not the medical profession. sorry my friend but i cannot give up my beliefs for any one or any experts. -- budd cochran ok ok craig c and roy..........you were right. john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below the belt iow your cruelty the same your accusing me of for not supporting all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. i see im not allowed to be offended by crude offensive remarks by you or others directed at me. let me ask you something tom if someone came up to you and called you the most offensive term you know or ridiculed you because of an infirmity or health issue you would really just stand there an take it thats what you asking correction telling me to do. just remember im not you. i have different values that are apparently more strict than yours that dont approve of insulting a person because they have a infirmity. its odd that having higher moral values is wrongaccording to you. btw since polio vaccine is not comparable to stem cells there is no nypocrisy on my part. selfish to advocate the end to the taking of thousands if not millions of human lives i never advocated the taking of human life. this is quickly devolving into a debate about when life begins and no one ever gets anywhere with that argument. so lets just say we have different views and neither will change. there is no question when its looked at logically. a human sperm can only begin a human life with a human egg. it cannot become a horse a cat a housefly or anything else just another human being. therefore life begins when the human sperm fertilizes the human egg and if allowed to develop can only become another human being. just that simple. whether you believe it contains a spirit soul or whatever at the moment of conception is the issue. i believe as the bible says that it does. if you believe otherwise it might be wise to study and see if you have a soul or spirit or whatever yet. that does not change the fact based on the understanding that the zygote is a human being in progress that killing the zygote is murdering a human being. budd again i think you are taking this a little too far. not withstanding your beliefs as they are yours however mediacally and legally there is no human life simply becuase an egg became fertilized. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

man oh man the only good part about this argument that some day ill be dead and wont have to read this -- its like a train wreck i cant turn away from. i can accept that its part of christian doctrine to spread the word of god and that some people see endless arguing as sport... hey i want in somebody call me a pole smoking liberal homo tree hugger or straightedge conservative born-again christian....im gonna freaking die if i dont get attention... jon craig c. wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy just wondering. i bet he bails on this discussion. his argument is illogical. granted thats never stopped him before ... so who knows ... craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

i was having problems with my starter click but no start occasionally and read on a website that the contact problem can also cause the starter to be stuck running and something about keeping the fuel pump running. i had the problem a couple times of the starter staying on but after putting the ignition key back to on and running the engine again it would let go after a couple more tries. i was about to install a contact kit but this morning the starter got stuck bigtime and wouldnt let go. i didnt have any tools so i made a run for home about 10 minutes with the starter running. just after i get there i hear the starter let go and the truck will then shut off. outside the truck theres the electrical smell and im thinking the starter is fried. i was correct and the starter even catches on fire. ran for a fire extinguisher but the fire went out on its own. having an electrical contact failure potentially cause a fire that could destroy your vehicle garage house etc makes me think that the design of the system is freaking insane. needing a toolbox with you to shut off the engine wtf i would have thought something like this would be on a safety recall or something. i would like to at least vent about their engineering. anyway does anyone know of a contact number at chrysler for complaints. thanks bill going back to my garage to make sure its not on fire .

From : craig c

on fri 3 nov 2006 131322 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy better=good points or better=o-ring blowing better just wondering. i figure this will go well into the weekend and the chuckles will multiply. he maintains hes not reading anything i post so ill be held blameless. on the other hand you bunch of bigoted c-bashing assaulting jackals will be subject to all his wrath and indignation. gbfg roy .

From : Annonymous

theguy@whatever.net wrote i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy just wondering. i bet he bails on this discussion. his argument is illogical. granted thats never stopped him before ... so who knows ... craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : roy

on fri 3 nov 2006 131322 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below the belt iow your cruelty the same your accusing me of for not supporting all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. i see im not allowed to be offended by crude offensive remarks by you or others directed at me. let me ask you something tom if someone came up to you and called you the most offensive term you know or ridiculed you because of an infirmity or health issue you would really just stand there an take it thats what you asking correction telling me to do. just remember im not you. i have different values that are apparently more strict than yours that dont approve of insulting a person because they have a infirmity. its odd that h

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

budd cochran wrote like i said but you ignored if it can be done without the destruction of a human life i have no problem. its your bigotry that causes you to miss those comments tom. do you believe that donating organs upon death car accident etc is wrong craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. .

From : jmc

on fri 03 nov 2006 043102 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote well this is strange. it would appear that we all agree! not everyone..... i dont want to set him off with this but.............i wasnt including him. i was pretty much just including the people that still have some sense of a mind left. .

From : azwiley1

suddenly without warning bryan exclaimed 03-nov-06 138 pm sadly that sounds like a typical politician nonresponse. if you had asked him what day it is he mightve responded blue! im sure he didnt respond at all. some flunky did with a form letter. jmc .

From : azwiley1

no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below the belt iow your cruelty the same your accusing me of for not supporting all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. i see im not allowed to be offended by crude offensive remarks by you or others directed at me. let me ask you something tom if someone came up to you and called you the most offensive term you know or ridiculed you because of an infirmity or health issue you would really just stand there an take it thats what you asking correction telling me to do. just remember im not you. i have different values that are apparently more strict than yours that dont approve of insulting a person because they have a infirmity. its odd that having higher moral values is wrongaccording to you. btw since polio vaccine is not comparable to stem cells there is no nypocrisy on my part. selfish to advocate the end to the taking of thousands if not millions of human lives i never advocated the taking of human life. this is quickly devolving into a debate about when life begins and no one ever gets anywhere with that argument. so lets just say we have different views and neither will change. there is no question when its looked at logically. a human sperm can only begin a human life with a human egg. it cannot become a horse a cat a housefly or anything else just another human being. therefore life begins when the human sperm fertilizes the human egg and if allowed to develop can only become another human being. just that simple. whether you believe it contains a spirit soul or whatever at the moment of conception is the issue. i believe as the bible says that it does. if you believe otherwise it might be wise to study and see if you have a soul or spirit or whatever yet. that does not change the fact based on the understanding that the zygote is a human being in progress that killing the zygote is murdering a human being. i told ya to wait until he got going on this. this could be one of his better rants. roy .

From : tom lawrence

tom lawrence wrote all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. its a common trait in fundamentalists. my father preacher is the same way. not quite as retarded ... but very very sensitive. selfish to advocate the end to the taking of thousands if not millions of human lives i never advocated the taking of human life. you didnt. however you disagreed with his view ... so thats the same thing. sigh craig c. .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below the belt iow your cruelty the same your accusing me of for not supporting all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. selfish to advocate the end to the taking of thousands if not millions of human lives i never advocated the taking of human life. this is quickly devolving into a debate about when life begins and no one ever gets anywhere with that argument. so lets just say we have different views and neither will change. .

From : max dodge

trying to logic out a problem in my 2004 dodge 2500 ctd 4x4 six speed. need to know where the speedometer gets its speed signal where the auto door locks get their speed inf. and where the seat belt chime gets its speed inf. if my logic is correct the speedometer and door locks gets inf. from the same sensor and the seat belt alarm gets it from a different sensor. thanks al .

From : Annonymous

this 1500 had 8 bolt wheels and 3/4 ton front and rear axles. al probably so dodge used to call them the d-150 and the w-150. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams was at the dodge dealer today. they have a 1500 mega cab. its a 3/4 ton truck in disguise al -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

no offense tom just surprised at your viciousness your punch below the belt iow your cruelty the same your accusing me of for not supporting all stem cell research. in effect what you did was akin to kicking the crutches from under a polio victim. oh horseshit budd. i simply pointed out what i perceived to be a bit of hypocrisy on your part. you take everything you possibly can as a personal insult. i see im not allowed to be offended by crude offensive remarks by you or others directed at me. let me ask you something tom if someone came up to you and called you the most offensive term you know or ridiculed you because of an infirmity or health issue you would really just stand there an take it thats what you asking correction telling me to do. just remember im not you. i have different values that are apparently more strict than yours that dont approve of insulting a person because they have a infirmity. its odd that having higher moral values is wrongaccording to you. btw since polio vaccine is not comparable to stem cells there is no nypocrisy on my part. selfish to advocate the end to the taking of thousands if not millions of human lives i never advocated the taking of human life. this is quickly devolving into a debate about when life begins and no one ever gets anywhere with that argument. so lets just say we have different views and neither will change. there is no question when its looked at logically. a human sperm can only begin a human life with a human egg. it cannot become a horse a cat a housefly or anything else just another human being. therefore life begins when the human sperm fertilizes the human egg and if allowed to develop can only become another human being. just that simple. whether you believe it contains a spirit soul or whatever at the moment of conception is the issue. i believe as the bible says that it does. if you believe otherwise it might be wise to study and see if you have a soul or spirit or whatever yet. that does not change the fact based on the understanding that the zygote is a human being in progress that killing the zygote is murdering a human being. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : craig c

bobandcarole wrote ctyguy wrote bobandcarole777@hotmail.com says... http//worldnetdaily.com//article.asparticleid=52244 apparently rep. mark foley is homosexual. and like many homosexual men he likes young teen boys. we should pray for him or hang him by his nutz lol that does sound like an acceptable solution. i think it quite funny that hes on the republican side. makes one think that republicans arent really gods. -- fritz ... -- posted via demon.com - premium uncensored group service -------http//www.demon.com------ unlimited access anonymous accounts uncensored broadband access .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

and you didnt read all my reply my friend. i do not object to adults offering their own stem cells for research i object to cloning and embryonic research. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams stem cells come from more things than fetal tissue. http//www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/about/faq.htm people should really come up with facts before condemning research. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author where oh where do they get the stem cells not from the local supermarket. and they dont grow on trees and some people want to fertilize human eggs that is cause life to start in vitro just to harvest them. i call that murder. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundame

From : azwiley1

suddenly without warning azwiley1 exclaimed 03-nov-06 1101 am max i am completely with you on stem cell research. there is so much good that can come from it! if people would just take the time to actually research it and study it maybe the ignorance behind it would go away. think about all the other diseases that we have cures for today they all had to come from some form of study and research program. unfortunately theres a long way to go. i recently read where researchers cured a parkinsons-like disease in rats. unfortunately from a slashdot summary ...10 weeks into the trial university of rochester researchers discovered brain tumours had begun to grow in every animal treated... by definition human embryonic stem cells have the almost mythical immortal power to grow and divide indefinitely as they become the various tissues that make up the body. as a result scientists have always known that any stem cell therapy could result in an uncontrolled growth of cells that could give rise to cancer. unfortunately i cant get to the original article. theres an interesting debate with lots of excellent information well /. is for nerds after all! over there so heres where to go if you are interested http//science.slashdot.org/article.plsid=06/10/23/2121258. many of the comments suggest that theres been much greater success using adult stem cells than embryonic. moral arguments aside it makes sense to me to use my own stem cells to cure what ails me... jmc .

From : jmc

if i were married hoo boy... is that a stretch... and my wife were suffering a debilitating illness that could be cured only by the harvesting of stem cells from a purposefully-created zygote id be all for it - no ethical/moral dilemmas no second-guessing. or if say your brother had muscular dystrophy.....or cancer..... or paralysis... or parkinsons disease or...... any number of genetic or degenerative diseases/syndromes. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author btw the artificially stimulated cell is a cloned human cell. the process is similar to what is done to clone plants. human cloning is illegal. a cell that could never develop into a living human... so whats the problem im not advocating the cloning of humans either. i am in favor of a process that produces useful cells for medical research and treatment that doesnt involve killing a viable embryo. whats narrow about it taking a human life generated by the union of human sperm and egg they are living human cells remember at any age or state of development is murder. every specific form of stem cell gathering/harvesting i listed is done without impacting a human life. its your bigotry that puts the blinders on and lets you see nothing but murder when someone talks about stem cells. would you give your children for the sacrifice a fetus zygote glob of tissue generated by the union of a human sperm and human egg is a human being just as everyones child was at one time. if i were married hoo boy... is that a stretch... and my wife were suffering a debilitating illness that could be cured only by the harvesting of stem cells from a purposefully-created zygote id be all for it - no ethical/moral dilemmas no second-guessing. how curious tom that you chose two scientists that have some obvious interest for me that was the point budd... not to insult or offend you though you probably took it as such but simply to bring the point a little closer to home. as you said its no secret as youve discussed it here before. neither vaccine used stem-cells no kidding - it was the 50s. but do you really think either vaccine was developed without a single person dying from the early treatments/experiments how unlike you to attack below the belt. it wasnt an attack budd. i dont know whether or not you benefited from either vaccine but if you did and someone died as part of the human trials well - therein lies the hypocrisy. unlike those that insist that stem cell research is the only option i believe that other research can result in a cure without stem cells. how selfish of you to deny someone a potential cure because its something you dont personally agree with and you feel with all your vast medical research experience and background that theres another approach. probably not in time to save a lot of people that could have been saved but hey - at least we didnt offend anyones sensibilities in the process. .

From : roy

on thu 2 nov 2006 205549 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote im with you 1000% on this. people should get educated before they start jumping on the abortion bit. there are other ways to get stem cells. well this is strange. it would appear that we all agree! hey did hell just freeze over or what not cold enough here in sierra vista az to freeze yet! roy max i am completely with you on stem cell research. there is so much good that can come from it! if people would just take the time to actually research it and study it maybe the ignorance behind it would go away. think about all the other diseases that we have cures for today they all had to come from some form of study and research program. i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in passing legislation that remains consistent with those values. the recent confirmations of chief justic

From : max dodge

big snip budd as a friend even i think that have gone a little far now. no one in this thread has attacked you but reasons even unknown to me you feel they have. take a deep breath man. .

From : tom lawrence

soooo bobandcarole could you tell us just how the hell this has anything to do with ford trucks this is a ford truck forum and the only connection i can see is that ford could stand for f oley o n r oad d ead only thing i am praying for is your dumb ass get out of this forum ctyguy wrote bobandcarole777@hotmail.com says... http//worldnetdaily.com//article.asparticleid=52244 apparently rep. mark foley is homosexual. and like many homosexual men he likes young teen boys. we should pray for him or hang him by his nutz lol that does sound like an acceptable solution. that he gets a handle on this problem and refrains from harming any more kids. meanwhile we need to wake up. the fact that this is typical behavior for homosexuals doesnt stop us from continuing to elevate such folks to positions where they gain access to our kids. .

From : Annonymous

well this is strange. it would appear that we all agree! not everyone..... .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

sadly that sounds like a typical politician nonresponse. if you had asked him what day it is he mightve responded blue! my previous gig was with a contract medical electronics manufacturer. one of my projects was a cell incubator that was intended to replicate stem cells http//www.aastrom.com/. bryan .

From : tom lawrence

stem cells come from more things than fetal tissue. http//www.stemcellresearchfoundation.org/about/faq.htm people should really come up with facts before condemning research. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author where oh where do they get the stem cells not from the local supermarket. and they dont grow on trees and some people want to fertilize human eggs that is cause life to start in vitro just to harvest them. i call that murder. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in

From : bryan

btw the artificially stimulated cell is a cloned human cell. the process is similar to what is done to clone plants. human cloning is illegal. a cell that could never develop into a living human... so whats the problem im not advocating the cloning of humans either. i am in favor of a process that produces useful cells for medical research and treatment that doesnt involve killing a viable embryo. whats narrow about it taking a human life generated by the union of human sperm and egg they are living human cells remember at any age or state of development is murder. every specific form of stem cell gathering/harvesting i listed is done without impacting a human life. its your bigotry that puts the blinders on and lets you see nothing but murder when someone talks about stem cells. would you give your children for the sacrifice a fetus zygote glob of tissue generated by the union of a human sperm and human egg is a human being just as everyones child was at one time. if i were married hoo boy... is that a stretch... and my wife were suffering a debilitating illness that could be cured only by the harvesting of stem cells from a purposefully-created zygote id be all for it - no ethical/moral dilemmas no second-guessing. how curious tom that you chose two scientists that have some obvious interest for me that was the point budd... not to insult or offend you though you probably took it as such but simply to bring the point a little closer to home. as you said its no secret as youve discussed it here before. neither vaccine used stem-cells no kidding - it was the 50s. but do you really think either vaccine was developed without a single person dying from the early treatments/experiments how unlike you to attack below the belt. it wasnt an attack budd. i dont know whether or not you benefited from either vaccine but if you did and someone died as part of the human trials well - therein lies the hypocrisy. unlike those that insist that stem cell research is the only option i believe that other research can result in a cure without stem cells. how selfish of you to deny someone a potential cure because its something you dont personally agree with and you feel with all your vast medical research experience and background that theres another approach. probably not in time to save a lot of people that could have been saved but hey - at least we didnt offend anyones sensibilities in the process. .

From : tom lawrence

the oldsmobile diesel v-8 otoh was just a dumb idea that got worse. that was an example of what happens when you try to take a gas motor and make it into a diesel. you gotta build any engine from the crank up to work with the fuel you intend to feed it. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. what is the purpose of a diesel 1/2 ton people have been buying the diesels because they want the power to tow or haul heavy loads. 1/2 ton trucks dont need more power for the load theyre designed to handle. saving on fuel costs isnt an issue today since in most of the country diesel is priced close to what premium gas is. miles people have bought stuff they dont need for years. a classic example is bottled water. a case can be made however for the economics of a light duty diesel. mike -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

rabbit laz anybody have a hand held plow control if so do you like it any problems what do i watch for i only know one person who has one and he just does family stuff. going to be one armed for a bit and i gotta make it work. roy well things changed a bit. anybody looking for a 05 2500 qc 4x4 short box cummins automatic pretty much all the toys rear window defrost heated mirrors i guess everything but leather. comes with a fisher 8 mm2 buckstop rear bumper with backup lights in it strobes at all corners leer cap. now who has some info on the charger srt good or bad roy ok what did the doc say... denny said he needs to stay away from wc burgers they are killing him! .

From : azwiley1

im with you 1000% on this. people should get educated before they start jumping on the abortion bit. there are other ways to get stem cells. roy max i am completely with you on stem cell research. there is so much good that can come from it! if people would just take the time to actually research it and study it maybe the ignorance behind it would go away. think about all the other diseases that we have cures for today they all had to come from some form of study and research program. i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in passing legislation that remains consistent with those values. the recent confirmations of chief justice john roberts and associate justice samuel a. alito jr. to the supreme court of the united states mark a pivotal point in our highest courts history as several issues related to abortion are anticipated to come before the court f

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

max i am completely with you on stem cell research. there is so much good that can come from it! if people would just take the time to actually research it and study it maybe the ignorance behind it would go away. think about all the other diseases that we have cures for today they all had to come from some form of study and research program. i sent a question to rick santorum our state senator. in short i asked what his position on stem cell research is. i feel that stem cell research is essential to finding cures for such things as cancer muscular dystrophy paralysis parkinsons and a host of other diseases. if you agree with senator santorum i urge you to vote for he or those in your state like him. if you agree that stem cell research is essential to medical advancements i urge you to vote against senator santorum and those that share his views. sadly santorums reply shows me exactly how short sighted and how assuming our congressmen are. this is one of many issues that may be decided next week i urge everyone to vote regardless of position. perhaps we can put our values back into the government since they seem to have lost sight of society. my reply to him follows while his reply is below that. senator santorum and staff my question was one about stem cell research. your reply dealt with the issue of abortion and not stem cell research. sadly it is all too often that these issues become somehow confused and intertwined. let me state clearly abortion has little to do with stem cell research. on the issue of abortion i am determined that it is a very personal decision to be made by a medical professional and the patient involved. the hippocratic oath covers this. the last time a government was allowed to start issuing medical decisions that same government also believed genocide was a logical means of population control. while i do not believe the practice of abortion is a good idea i also firmly believe it is not an issue the government has reason to be involved. but let me return to the original question where does senator santorum stand on the issue of stem cell research it is my firmly held belief that stem cell research should be supported by our government. i am not advocating the spending of funds although that would help. i am advocating the support of stem cell research and clearing of legal hurdles for that research that could potentially cure a wide range of disease and maladies suffered by mankind. this is not a question of abortion or right to life in the traditional sense. it is literally the right to many people such as celebrity michael j. fox or my brother to gain hope that stem cell research might one day lead to a cure for parkinsons or in my brothers case muscular dystrophy. it is their right to a life of hope that some day they might be lucky enough to have a chance to test these new methods of treatment let alone be cured by these new methods. sadly given the ease with which you senator and your staff mixed up an issue of abortion with the issue of stem cell research i cannot support you. i asked about stem cell research not abortion. i never mentioned abortion. you failed to even mention stem cell research in the reply to my question. stem cell research does not equate with abortion when posed in a phrase or question. i urge you to change your position or at least find a position regarding stem cell research should you be re-elected. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ----- original message ----- from senatorsantorum@santorum.senate.gov to max340@verizon.net sent thursday november 02 2006 426 pm subject responding to your message. thank you for contacting me regarding the protection of human life. i appreciate hearing from you and having the benefit of your views. since the roe v. wade decision over 30 years ago abortion has been one of our countrys most important moral issues as it relates to the most fundamental human right - the right to life. i am proud to say that during my time in the house of representatives and in the senate i have maintained a very strong pro-life voting record. i have sponsored and cosponsored numerous pieces of legislation that defend the sanctity of human life. during the 109th congress i am looking forward to leading my colleagues in passing legislation that remains consistent with those values. the recent confirmations of chief justice john roberts and associate justice samuel a. alito jr. to the supreme court of the united states mark a pivotal point in our highest courts history as several issues related to abortion are anticipated to come before the court for consideration. while we do not know with certainty how the court will rule on many of these matters there is optimism among pro-life supporters about f