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From : roy

Q: im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - .

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From : budd cochran

as will you for kerry . . .but someone somewhere will cancel your vote. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. yea sure anything that you say. you will be pushing the bush button just like the rest of the obedient puppets. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wrong tom. you need to look more closely how the system works. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol dont bet on it tommy-troll-boy. anyone can vote for anyone they choose in the us. i may write myself and my wife in for president and vp. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. please it is more than obvious what candidate you are going to vote for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : jerry

on tue 19 oct 2004 042115 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote kissy kissy kissy no youre not trying to start anything. oh no. and yes youre sure being mature. like you said earlier you dont try to start anything with budd do you your just out there answer answering budds questions and the old guy jumps on you for no reason right you of all people should be the last one to criticize me with the shit you used to do an still do only to me now. funny how budd can seem to say and do anything that he wants but if i say anything at all im the one in the wrong. he even admits in another thread that all he is doing is trying to get me going but thats ok for your new buddy right. sarcasm turned up full volume well golly gee whiz tommy-troll-baby. look whos having a tantrum like a little baby. hey troll do you think it could be just as ive told you so often that you get what you give and that most of you troubles you bring on your own irresponsible self do you think people almost always think you are wrong because you almost always are wrong grow-up troll-baby. tom you really gotta get a grip and stop acting like a little child everytime a point is made that hits home. like i said in my last post start accepting a little responsibility and youll have more credability around here. lol exactly what point is that. it seems that the only thing that hit home is the comment i made above since now you are back stomping your feet and acting like a baby. like i said before if you dont like what i have to say then kill file me otherwise gfy. no acting like a baby is what youre doing tom. you rejoiced when theguy and i had a disagreement now weve found a subject we agree upon you are so jealous it makes you the fool. yeah thats real mature of you . . . .not! -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : tbone

i drive a 94 dodge 150 cargo van with a six cylinder it has 160000 and the gas gauge does not work and it is carburetor. the tank capacity is 30 gal. usually the van goes a little over 400 miles on a full tank but recently ran out at 210 miles. i didnt think much of it at the time maybe i reset the odometer late or its simply getting real bad mileage and i have not noticed. however when i filled the tank it only took 18 gallons. i put 5 gallons in a can in the back and tested this a number of times and it seems to run out of gas between 210 and 265 miles and each time it only takes 15-20 gallons to fill. im thinking fuel filter or pump but the filter has been changed in the last 4 months and last time the filter clogged in this van it was notice under extreme fuel consumption conditions like up hills or acceleration and this is not the cas here. when the tank is full it runs perfectly. any help would be appreciated thanks rob .

From : tbone

on 18 oct 2004 222147 gmt max340@aol.compost max340 wrote hey max maybe they are screwed on so you can adjust for the harmonic vibrations ;- yeah thats it they can slide around the crank so they lower the crankshaft center of gravity lol. or not. but max and i do have 24v engines. why would we want to step backwards to something that compares with the technology and power output of the 1980s and further the reality is dodge and cummins stepped up the output of the 12v specifically because the 160hp was too little. moving to 24v simply made sense when moving to electronic control since 24v also helps with emissions as does the aftercooling. hey stuart what does deutz say about emissions anyways is it like the cummins that claims to meet emissions standards for all 50 states and the u.s. federal requirements .

From : tbone

on mon 18 oct 2004 161156 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote and btw what i said was and is correct. bush is the incumbent and any vote not for his direct opposition equates to a vote for him. that is such bullshit tom. utter bullshit. if kerry can not get someone to vote for him then it is kerrys fault. lol sure and all of the disproved right wing spin had nothing to do with it lol. either way that is not the point and if you would pull your head out of your ass you would know that. the point is that if a person really thinks that bush did a bad job then they need to put their vote to someone who will get him out otherwise they are wasting their time. its just like you whiners who said that it was naders fault that gore lost the last election. in that case it was partly true but that has nothing to do with this election. if a voter in america likes nader and thinks he is the best candidate that who they should have voted for. did they really vote for nader because he was the best or did they do it because of the right wing spin against clinton shame of gore for not being able to attract that voter to his platform. in america we get to vote for whom we want. i agree with you there. that is what brings all the comments on liberals that you have seen here tom. buck up grow a pair. take a little responsibility. take responsibility for what it is the ones that really dont want bush to serve another term and waste their vote rather than use it to get him out that need to take responsibility. if kerry loses the election because you whiners think that third party voters would have voted for kerry if you could have taken their right away from them to vote for who they want to then it is kerrys fault. duh no shit. thats not what i said so please take your tiny little conservative mind out of your ass and pay attention. if someone feels that bush kerry or nader is the best choice then that is who they should vote for but if they dont like the job that bush has done and want him out then they need to place their vote with a candidate that has a possibility to win otherwise they are wasting everyones time and it equates as a vote for the person that they dont like. they then feel that they can complain because they didnt vote for him but in reality they actually did by wasting a vote that could have removed him. this holds true no matter who is in office at the time if they are running for reelection. plain and simple. kerry has to get the support of those voters. just accept a little responsibility instead of blaming everyone else. either kerry wins or bush wins. they both know the rules. they both have the same chance. i am not blaming anyone for anything. i made a simple point that despite all of your whining is still correct. if you like bush then vote for him but if not then vote for someone who can get him out or stay home and reduce the lines at the polls. winners accept responsibility tom and then correct the problems. losers just fix blame and dont fix any problems. that is why the demos have done so badly lately. yea right and what problems did bush fix. according to a previous post of yours none. having said that i will support the winner. if kerry wins ill support him as our president. you have never done that with bush. for you liberals its not about the country its all about you. i strongly doubt that what you say is what you will actually do. the funny thing is that its the conservative party that is the me myself and i party. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote what does this have too do with what budd said. iirc he said that me might vote for himself and his wife. what does that have to do with a third party. geez tbone youre going in circles here! you told budd that if he doesnt vote for bush or kerry its the same as voting for bush. which is for the most part true. if you dont want bush to serve another term then you need to vote for someone that actually has a chance of winning even if that were nader. to just cast a meaningless vote serves no purpose and is a mockery of our system. i replied that while i do not like nader at all i agree with his views when hes stated many times that your type of logic is just absurd. not really. its why so many dont bother to vote at all. no its people like you that vote down the party line no matter how poor of a job your candidate does and the fact that they all lie through their teeth that stops many. if you are just going to make a bs vote why waste your and my time not voting for bush or kerry means voting for some 3rd party even if its a party of one being yourself. unless your third party has even a remote chance of winning you are really just wasting your time and the time of others waiting behind you to vote. please explain exactly what purpose doing that would serve. kerry has almost no support of his own. just people that do not like bush. as much as the right would want to believe that it simply isnt true. and if it were doesnt that show just how bad of a job he did. kerry needs to attract his own support rather than worry about people voting for a 3rd party. what does kerry have to do with this this is what i said not kerry. .

From : theguy

great info right up to you mentioned spl. spl is used only in subs and relates to how much air it is/can move. the number/measurement you should have referenced is the efficiency rating of a speaker. iamgoode@aol.com iamgoode wrote in looking to replace my spekers and want to get something to match the factory infinity amps. can some one tell me the rms/peak watt ratings input apreciated. sean rec.bicycles.marketplace the factory infinify amp is nothing special - its about 15-20 watts rms per channel if that the peak power rating is 40 watts per channel as specified in the dodge literature. most decent aftermarket head units are more powerful. one thing to note the front speakers are component speakers in that they use a crossover to separate highs from lows. youll need a separate woofer/tweeter combination to replace them. if youre just replacing speakers and leaving everything else alone you wont need the crossover itself as thats built into the factory wiring. also due to the relatively low power of the infinity amp youll want to get the most efficient speakers you can find. a spl sound pressure level of 92 or higher would be good.

From : tbone

on tue 19 oct 2004 042115 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote kissy kissy kissy no youre not trying to start anything. oh no. and yes youre sure being mature. like you said earlier you dont try to start anything with budd do you your just out there answer answering budds questions and the old guy jumps on you for no reason right tom you really gotta get a grip and stop acting like a little child everytime a point is made that hits home. like i said in my last post start accepting a little responsibility and youll have more credability around here. .

From : miles

wrongwrong and wrong. cheney brought it up himself weeks before when he was asked about the ammendment to the consitution. he was at as usual a selected group gung-ho dittoheads and he mentioned that his lesbian daughter had a right to whatever relationship she chose but that he had to follow his presidents lead on the ammendment. so cheney brought it up to prove how much he cares about his lesbian daughter. this despite the fact that his wife denied her daughter was a lesbian on national tv in march and that mary was not allowed up on the convention floor to stand with the rest of her family. if republicans want to say theyre anti-gay fine say it. but dont say you love your children and then deny them on television. my my you are an angry little leftist liberal. perhaps dan rather can use you on his staff john z kerry presidet t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

failed rotflmbo!!!! ive got you spinning like a top about being a troll mr backpedal. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. but even at that he fails. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep .

From : tbone

tbone wrote and btw what i said was and is correct. bush is the incumbent and any vote not for his direct opposition equates to a vote for him. so therefore we must vote for bush or kerry this mentality of yours is what causes so many to not voice their opinion at all. while i dont like nader at all it is your absurd attitude that he is trying to get people to understand and change. .

From : tbone

http//abc.go.com/primetime//storyid=174461&page=1 abc says its so must be! they should be satisfied they have been screwing just about everybody for almost for years. .

From : dddd

really miles how exactly -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. what a load of misguided spin! .

From : budd cochran

12mpg what kind of mpg on highway and also in city can i expect with it. been a chev man for some time but liking the idea of the 5 speed auto on the 2005 over the 4 speed auto in the chevs. .

From : budd cochran

a semite is a descendant of shem who was the son of noah. how many semites in the world today try most of the worlds population. a hebrew is a descendant of eber eber is one of the descendant of shem. how many hebrews in the world today try most of the worlds population. an abrahamic is a descendant of abraham who was a descendant of eber. how many abrahimics in the world today try most of the worlds population. ishmael and isaac are the sons of abraham their descendants encompass most of the israelites during the time of moses. how many people today who are descendants of the israelites well... you know the answer most of the worlds population. in short. adam - noah - shem - eber - abraham - ishmael and isaac - israelites - most of the worlds population today. note arabs are people who lived in the arabian pennisula. by that defintion moses who spent many of his years there and the israelites during their travel to the land of canaan are arabs. as for what jesus would define himself i think that he probably would proudly proclaimed that hes an adamic descendant of adam and gods servant he probably would also state that he was strengthened by the holy spirit and probably would also state that god use his body to talk and relate to the people hes jesus christ when hes in that state. and your not a fundamental christian are you budd .

From : budd cochran

lol but we better be careful t-bone will have one of us kissing up the other one. hes never learned the enemy of my enemy is my ally. -- budd on mon 18 oct 2004 172727 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote add a little bacardi sp 151 and voila! chopped t-bone flamb! -- budd to quote dan akroyd now thats good bass. beekeep .

From : dddd

amen. -- budd having said that i will support the winner. if kerry wins ill support him as our president. you have never done that with bush. for you liberals its not about the country its all about you. .

From : beekeep

ive thought about ways to reform it and there is no way. the politicians are the ones who would have to make new rules and they wont do it for fear of losing their jobs. the incumbents are the ones to get the most money because they know how to manipulate the system. for them to vote for reform they would have to hang themselves and they are not going to do that. there is no answer! dddd i agree far too much money is involved in the election process. any suggestions on how to get candidates to bite the hands that feed them -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. the problem is that the only way to get elected or even nominated is money. its unbelievable the amount of money spent on campaigns now-a-days. all of that money is provided by special interest groups who expect and get something for their money. it is bribery regardless of what you want to callit. the politicians know that they have to cater to those with the money and the real needs of the country are secondary. i dont see a solution so it will only get worse. dddd what weve got for government is the result of complacency among voters. too many have thought for too long their vote doesnt count but it does. i glad to see the drives to get more voters off their butts and into the booths i just hope that political lowlifes are using them to force voters for selected candidates. -- budd im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd .

From : miles

tbone wrote lol i dont know what debate you were watching but he has a full 30 seconds to rebutt edwards and all he did was take a few seconds to thank edwards for his kind words. lol so gullable. did you actually listen to him and watch him and comprehend cheneys motives for saying what he did thank him lol. did you listen to what cheneys wife said in regards to edwards and later kerrys statements lol im not a union member and really dont like them but i understand why they exist do you to guard against the few corrupt corporations that exist. what guards against the very corrupt unions that exist .

From : tbone

hey max maybe they are screwed on so you can adjust for the harmonic vibrations ;- yeah thats it they can slide around the crank so they lower the crankshaft center of gravity lol. or not. but max and i do have 24v engines. why would we want to step backwards to something that compares with the technology and power output of the 1980s and further the reality is dodge and cummins stepped up the output of the 12v specifically because the 160hp was too little. moving to 24v simply made sense when moving to electronic control since 24v also helps with emissions as does the aftercooling. and youll be kicking yourself in the a$$ for lack of power the first time you need to use that 2500 for something more than to run to the 7-11 for a loaf of bread. bingo. if you need less power than the cummins will provide and never have a need for it why buy it to suggest that a smaller 4cyl diesel is a good idea in a 3/4 ton truck is silly as the market isnt there. a smaller but still inline six diesel in the half ton would be cool but were back to the weight issue and 800lbs in the nose of a half ton pickup isnt a great idea. ask the guys who plow for a living. what stuart seems to be missing is that the cummins was selected to fit the market and the job parameters most people use a 3/4 ton pickup for. claiming the installation of a 4 cylinder would save fuel is silly. i can save fuel the same way by simply not using the full potential of the engine or driving my 4cylinder lebaron instead. i think you are ignoring the premise of fuel usage vs application. to me g/kwh only has meaning for a generator set operating at a given load over a period of time. as soon as you stick that engine in something with a tranny and wheels mpg becomes the ruling factor. which means the right foot factor will have more effect than meeting the iso standards for fuel consumption. max life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan .

From : john z kerry

what does this have too do with what budd said. iirc he said that me might vote for himself and his wife. what does that have to do with a third party. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote lol yea right. if he were a true independent then i might agree but instead he is more of a leach on the democratic party. whoa here! who asked whether nader was a true independent or a leach i talked only about his views on a 3rd party and your absurd views regarding such. .

From : miles

lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. please define atack. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. wrongwrong and wrong. cheney brought it up himself weeks before when he was asked about the ammendment to the consitution. he was at as usual a selected group gung-ho dittoheads and he mentioned that his lesbian daughter had a right to whatever relationship she chose but that he had to follow his presidents lead on the ammendment. so cheney brought it up to prove how much he cares about his lesbian daughter. this despite the fact that his wife denied her daughter was a lesbian on national tv in march and that mary was not allowed up on the convention floor to stand with the rest of her family. if republicans want to say theyre anti-gay fine say it. but dont say you love your children and then deny them on television. .

From : tbone

t-bone i can assure you with all certainty that i do not call a leftist labor union for material. that should be self-evident from my position on the issues. and why are you top-posting again john z kerry lol perhaps you should read of few of your own posts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving but even at that he fails. poor t-bone he keeps running out of material and has to call up his leftist labor union for more material. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : tbone

tbone wrote and btw what i said was and is correct. bush is the incumbent and any vote not for his direct opposition equates to a vote for him. so therefore we must vote for bush or kerry funny i dont remember saying that. this mentality of yours is what causes so many to not voice their opinion at all. now you are just being silly but even with that bush has made it perfectly clear on many occasions that he could give a rats ass about public opinion so what is the point while i dont like nader at all it is your absurd attitude that he is trying to get people to understand and change. lol yea right. if he were a true independent then i might agree but instead he is more of a leach on the democratic party. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : john z kerry

lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. please define atack. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. please define derogatory and then explain to us how what he said was. this speaks volumes about kerrys character as if we didnt know already. the intent of kerrys attack was to shave off support in bushs base. duh no shit. isnt that the purpose of all negative adds in general and all of the comments both candidates make about each other you are just upset because he brought out a division between bush and cheney lol. if you were familiar with the issues and debating tactics you would understand why cheney chose not to respond to edwardss remarks about the constitutional amendment. it would be a waste of value rebuttal time since nationwide polls continually show very strong about 78% support across the nation for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage and prevent liberal activist judges from legislating from the bench by making gay marriage legal. lol i dont know what debate you were watching but he has a full 30 seconds to rebutt edwards and all he did was take a few seconds to thank edwards for his kind words. iow even chenney thinks bush is an idiot on this point and has too much honor to stand up on national tv and lie for the idiot. i would really like to know where these fantasy polls are that you keep referring to. what union are you a member of t-bone most of your rants closely resemble the standard leftist labor union propaganda. lol im not a union member and really dont like them but i understand why they exist do you did you practice your stand up comedy routine yet t-bone john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

is this all you can think of. how about an original thought every now and then that would be a fair question if it came from anyone else even jam in this forum but coming from you t-bone it is just plain funny as hell! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hint even jam makes valid points every so often. john z kerry president t-bone steak house .

From : budd cochran

nice try at spinning the truth there t-bone but full credit for starting all the political crapola falls right square on your shoulders with your kerry kicked ass post and google can prove it! you need to have komrad kerrys spin doctors give you some basic lessons. all that google can prove is that i started that thread to which i freely admit. it will also show that there were and still are multiple political threads going on in here both before and after that one that i didnt start or even got involved with. now if you still want to say that i started this go ahead but that only makes the rest of you a group of lost scared sheep that is easily led although your choice of candidate makes that sort of obvious already. baaaaaaaahhhhhh sound of sheep keep back pedaling t-bone! john z kerry .

From : budd cochran

wrong tom. you need to look more closely how the system works. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol dont bet on it tommy-troll-boy. anyone can vote for anyone they choose in the us. i may write myself and my wife in for president and vp. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. please it is more than obvious what candidate you are going to vote for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : tbone

hi does anyone know if 1989/88 dodge trucks have standard positraction no. .

From : budd cochran

tom you believe in differing degrees of lying and of truth nope and that has nothing to do with what i said. nice spin attempt though. it has everything to do with it since you have claimed in the past the bible is not the only truth and then said there were many truths. oh i did did i i think that you are getting your multiple attack subjects mixed up. please show me exactly where i said this oh thats right you cant. i look forward to your excuse or reason for not doing it. my favorite is when you ask me to prove a negative an impossibility and want me to prove that i didnt say something. i get so tired of your highly selective memory losses. and i really need to remember that you are nothing but a damned liar and a troll. the only spinning is from you troll boy once again with the name calling thats one point for me. lol right . now you need to keep score to feel worthy. do you believe in degrees of pregnancy or death also more spin or are you just trying to change the subject no just trying to find out how far to the left you really are despite your pitifully unbelievable retractions about it. reactions about what budd you need to be more clear and stay on the subject. and your lack of communicative skills are appalling. youre a slap in the face to american education. and the reference was to . . . .never mind youve already forgotton your claim to moderation in another thread im sure. deception is lying period. deviousness is lying period. really do you mean like when you keep deceiving people into believing i am an admitted troll when you know that i said that sarcastically. now your trying to spin out of another admission of guilt. unfortunately the evidence is probably still in the google archives not to mention all those that read it in the group. no just trying to clear up another one of your deceptions. the deception was by you not me if your now claiming the comment was sarcastic. i wasnt the only one to read it that way and your actions since only confirm you are a lying troll. i guess that this makes you either an idiot or a liar you choose. gee i was right. it wasnt long till you were back to the name calling but youll blame it on me as usual. how is this name calling you know that i was being sarcastic when i said that and even said so in the following post. proof now either you know that and are a liar or didnt understand either post which makes you an idiot stupid person. no name calling budd just laying out the facts. no its name calling tom and now you know why i mentioned your idiocy earlier which you called name calling because i read the whole reply before hitting the reply button. i knew you had called me names first which makes your oh so elegant post about the no more name calling and the other lies just that a pack of lies. and before you start your crap about me attacking you i am simply defending myself something that you have no problem doing. you never defend you attack only. defending would require you prove something and you cant even really prove you exist. sorry budd but this is no different than what you do actually it is kinder because you just start the name calling immediatly. sorry tommy-troll you beat me to it. sure i discussed your idiocy with others since they also agreee your are acting the idiot but you called the names first. i guess that the same could be said for the man that you support since he still tries to deceive people into thinking that iraq had anything to do with 9/11. only in your extremely leftist commie liberal viewpoint. another admission of error from you another point for me. still needing to count points little boy i admit you are biased in your viewpoint and i admit i support our troops. your idiocy is still showing. well budd i see that some things will never change. when you cant win an argument with facts you resort to deception and name calling. lol lacking facts or skills has never stopped you from claiming to be a mechanic has it besides i was only pointing out you were being just what many others have also claimed about you that you are an idiot. i rest my case name calling baby. btw another point for me. and i rest mine that you a infantile point counting troll baby. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : miles

i believe it is you who has things backwards. btw according to komrad kerry there are no terrorists in iraq. there werent until bush invaded guys like you use the terms terrorist and insurgent interchangeably. thus according to kerry we have no business in iraq. and hes right about that. do you have any faith in our military no you liberals dont. it is the terrorists who are in a killing zone not our guys! bush has them right where he wants them mainly not in our country. how totally unbelieveably naive no wonder you swallow bushs bullshit. there are very likely as many or more terrorists right here in the usa just because theyre not openly aggressive doesnt mean they aint here. denial the foundation of bushism. our guys have excellent morale despite the fact the media arm of the democrat party refuses to report this fact. our guys are killing terrorists every day over there and not here. theyre killing insurgents and are being killed themselves for nothing. vietnam what do you know about vietnam except that komrad kerry thinks he is a war hero but never mentions his traitorous activity with jane fonda when he returned home. yada yada yada yada that boat sailed and sank. your anchor is chained to a coward who weaseled his way out of combat. .

From : ramworker

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. i just referred j.a.m. to his recent post about fundamentalist religious zealots a favorite liberal catch phrase for anyone who attends church and/or believes in god. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses once again you have made a lame attempt to put words in my mouth. i never said anything even remotely like that. i guess i should expect this from someone like you. attending church and/or believing in god does not make someone a fundamentalist religious zealot. attempting to force their beliefs on someone or some government does. jam btw i was raised a christian. i did thats to me. what i should expect from you is some specifics when you make these broad & sweeping accusations like religious zealots. am i safe in assuming you are a nonzealot christian i am not saying you are not a christian but most christians i know are proud to capitalize the word christian. so again who are these christian fundamentalist zealots baptists jews lutherans episcopalians assembly of god who john z kerry president t-bone steak houses reread my previous post the answers you seek are there. jam .

From : miles

lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. please define atack. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. please define derogatory and then explain to us how what he said was. this speaks volumes about kerrys character as if we didnt know already. the intent of kerrys attack was to shave off support in bushs base. duh no shit. isnt that the purpose of all negative adds in general and all of the comments both candidates make about each other you are just upset because he brought out a division between bush and cheney lol. if you were familiar with the issues and debating tactics you would understand why cheney chose not to respond to edwardss remarks about the constitutional amendment. it would be a waste of value rebuttal time since nationwide polls continually show very strong about 78% support across the nation for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage and prevent liberal activist judges from legislating from the bench by making gay marriage legal. lol i dont know what debate you were watching but he has a full 30 seconds to rebutt edwards and all he did was take a few seconds to thank edwards for his kind words. iow even chenney thinks bush is an idiot on this point and has too much honor to stand up on national tv and lie for the idiot. i would really like to know where these fantasy polls are that you keep referring to. what union are you a member of t-bone most of your rants closely resemble the standard leftist labor union propaganda. lol im not a union member and really dont like them but i understand why they exist do you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tom you believe in differing degrees of lying and of truth nope and that has nothing to do with what i said. nice spin attempt though. it has everything to do with it since you have claimed in the past the bible is not the only truth and then said there were many truths. oh i did did i i think that you are getting your multiple attack subjects mixed up. please show me exactly where i said this oh thats right you cant. i look forward to your excuse or reason for not doing it. my favorite is when you ask me to prove a negative an impossibility and want me to prove that i didnt say something. the only spinning is from you troll boy once again with the name calling thats one point for me. do you believe in degrees of pregnancy or death also more spin or are you just trying to change the subject no just trying to find out how far to the left you really are despite your pitifully unbelievable retractions about it. reactions about what budd you need to be more clear and stay on the subject. deception is lying period. deviousness is lying period. really do you mean like when you keep deceiving people into believing i am an admitted troll when you know that i said that sarcastically. now your trying to spin out of another admission of guilt. unfortunately the evidence is probably still in the google archives not to mention all those that read it in the group. no just trying to clear up another one of your deceptions. i guess that this makes you either an idiot or a liar you choose. gee i was right. it wasnt long till you were back to the name calling but youll blame it on me as usual. how is this name calling you know that i was being sarcastic when i said that and even said so in the following post. now either you know that and are a liar or didnt understand either post which makes you an idiot stupid person. no name calling budd just laying out the facts. and before you start your crap about me attacking you i am simply defending myself something that you have no problem doing. you never defend you attack only. defending would require you prove something and you cant even really prove you exist. sorry budd but this is no different than what you do actually it is kinder because you just start the name calling immediatly. i guess that the same could be said for the man that you support since he still tries to deceive people into thinking that iraq had anything to do with 9/11. only in your extremely leftist commie liberal viewpoint. another admission of error from you another point for me. your idiocy is still showing. well budd i see that some things will never change. when you cant win an argument with facts you resort to deception and name calling. lol lacking facts or skills has never stopped you from claiming to be a mechanic has it besides i was only pointing out you were being just what many others have also claimed about you that you are an idiot. i rest my case name calling baby. btw another point for me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

on mon 18 oct 2004 121653 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote your information on lt. dan quayle is incorrect. he was in the combat engineers of the indiana national guard and the in national guard was sufficiently under strength that he did not buy his way in. now if one item is so incorrect then maybe the rest should looked at more closely. i noticed that bush sr. and dole were not on the list... i guess mccain sp doesnt count either he was only a pow.. .

From : miles

i see that you dont have all that much in the comprehention department either. i guess that is the primary reason you are backing bush. if i never posted that thread which was nothing more than a heading anyway this political crap would have started anyway. there can your mind comprehend that. nice try at spinning the truth there t-bone but full credit for starting all the political crapola falls right square on your shoulders with your kerry kicked ass post and google can prove it! you need to have komrad kerrys spin doctors give you some basic lessons. all that google can prove is that i started that thread to which i freely admit. it will also show that there were and still are multiple political threads going on in here both before and after that one that i didnt start or even got involved with. now if you still want to say that i started this go ahead but that only makes the rest of you a group of lost scared sheep that is easily led although your choice of candidate makes that sort of obvious already. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

the problem is that the only way to get elected or even nominated is money. its unbelievable the amount of money spent on campaigns now-a-days. all of that money is provided by special interest groups who expect and get something for their money. it is bribery regardless of what you want to callit. the politicians know that they have to cater to those with the money and the real needs of the country are secondary. i dont see a solution so it will only get worse. dddd what weve got for government is the result of complacency among voters. too many have thought for too long their vote doesnt count but it does. i glad to see the drives to get more voters off their butts and into the booths i just hope that political lowlifes are using them to force voters for selected candidates. -- budd

From : budd cochran

tom you believe in differing degrees of lying and of truth nope and that has nothing to do with what i said. nice spin attempt though. it has everything to do with it since you have claimed in the past the bible is not the only truth and then said there were many truths. the only spinning is from you troll boy do you believe in degrees of pregnancy or death also more spin or are you just trying to change the subject no just trying to find out how far to the left you really are despite your pitifully unbelievable retractions about it. deception is lying period. deviousness is lying period. really do you mean like when you keep deceiving people into believing i am an admitted troll when you know that i said that sarcastically. now your trying to spin out of another admission of guilt. unfortunately the evidence is probably still in the google archives not to mention all those that read it in the group. i guess that this makes you either an idiot or a liar you choose. gee i was right. it wasnt long till you were back to the name calling but youll blame it on me as usual. and before you start your crap about me attacking you i am simply defending myself something that you have no problem doing. you never defend you attack only. defending would require you prove something and you cant even really prove you exist. i guess that the same could be said for the man that you support since he still tries to deceive people into thinking that iraq had anything to do with 9/11. only in your extremely leftist commie liberal viewpoint. your idiocy is still showing. well budd i see that some things will never change. when you cant win an argument with facts you resort to deception and name calling. lol lacking facts or skills has never stopped you from claiming to be a mechanic has it besides i was only pointing out you were being just what many others have also claimed about you that you are an idiot. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : beekeep

your information on lt. dan quayle is incorrect. he was in the combat engineers of the indiana national guard and the in national guard was sufficiently under strength that he did not buy his way in. now if one item is so incorrect then maybe the rest should looked at more closely. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. do you see a pattern here republicans * dick cheney did not serve. several deferments the last by marriage. * dennis hastert did not serve. * tom delay did not serve. * roy blunt did not serve. * bill frist did not serve. * mitch mcconnell did not serve. * rick santorum did not serve. * trent lott did not serve. * john ashcroft did not serve. seven deferments to teach business. * jeb bush did not serve. * karl rove did not serve. * saxby chambliss did not serve. bad knee. the man who attacked max clelands patriotism. * paul wolfowitz did not serve. * vin weber did not serve. * richard perle did not serve. * douglas feith did not serve. * eliot abrams did not serve. * richard shelby did not serve. * jon! kyl did not serve. * tim hutchison did not serve. * christopher cox did not serve. * newt gingrich did not serve. * don rumsfeld served in navy 1954-57 as flight instructor. * ronald reagan due to poor eyesight served in a non-combat role making movies. * b-1 bob dornan consciously enlisted after fighting was over in korea. * phil gramm did not serve. * john mccain silver star bronze star legion of merit purple heart and distinguished flying cross. * dana rohrabacher did not serve. * john m. mchugh did not serve. * jc watts did not serve. * jack kemp did not serve. knee problem although continued in nfl for 8 years. * dan quayle journalism unit of the indiana national guard. * rudy giuliani did not serve. * george pataki did not serve. * spencer abraham did not serve. * john engler did not serve. * lindsey graham national guard lawyer. * arnold schwarzenegger awol from austrian army base. * george w. bush failed to complete his six-year national guard; assigned to alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for u.s. senate; failed to show up for required medical exam disappeared from duty. pundits & preachers * sean hannity did not serve. * rush limbaugh did not serve 4-f with a pilonidal cyst. * bill oreilly did not serve. * michael savage did not serve. * george will did not serve. * chris matthews did not serve. * paul gigot did not serve. * bill bennett did not serve. * pat buchanan did not serve. * john wayne did not serve. * bill kristol did not serve. * kenneth starr did not serve. * antonin scalia did not serve. * clarence thomas did not serve. * ralph reed did not serve. * michael medved did not serve. * charlie daniels did not serve. * ted nugent did not serve. he only shoots at things that dont shoot back. democrats * richard gephardt air national guard 1965-71. * david bonior staff sgt. air force 1968-72. * tom daschle 1st lt. air force sac 1969-72. * al gore enlisted aug. 1969; sent to vietnam jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th engineer brigade. * bob kerrey lt. j.g. navy 1966-69; medal of honor vietnam. * daniel inouye army 1943-47; medal of honor wwii. * john kerry lt. navy 1966-70; silver star bronze star with combat v purple hearts. * charles rangel staff sgt. army 1948-52; bronze star korea. * max cleland captain army 1965-68; silver star & bronze star vietnam. * ted kennedy army 1951-53. * tom harkin lt. navy 1962-67; naval reserve 1968-74. * jack reed army ranger 1971-1979; captain army reserve 1979-91. * fritz hollings army officer in wwii; bronze star and seven campaign ribbons. * leonard boswell lt. col. army 1956-76; vietnam dfcs bronze stars and soldiers medal. * pete peterson air force captain pow. purple heart silver star and legion of merit. * mike thompson staff sergeant 173rd airborne purple heart. * bill mcbride candidate for fla. governor. marine in vietnam; bronze star with combat v. * gray davis army captain in vietnam bronze star. * pete stark air force 1955-57 * chuck robb vietnam * howell heflin silver star * george mcgovern silver star & dfc during wwii. * bill clinton did not serve. student deferments. entered draft but received #311. * jimmy carter seven years in the navy. * walter mondale army 1951-1953 * john glenn wwii and korea; six dfcs and air medal with 18 clusters. * tom lantos served in hungarian underground in wwii. saved by raoul wallenberg. .

From : tbone

hi well here goes... ive just about checked everything.... i have a 1994 ram 2500 5.9l cummins turbo w/5spd trans. 4x4 slt loaded. i took the truck into the dealer for the recall on the throttle cable w/link and replacement of the column ignition wire. now the problem started. the truck will star and idle fine up to 2100rpm. then it kind goes blah white/blue smoke pumps out at the above rpm and no more boost power this will do the same if i try to drive it. goes ok until punch it. will idle fine all day long if i let it if i romp it below 2000rpms no smoke i can get it to toss some black extra fuel i figure but above the above rpm or drive it no go. i did the following; cracked injector lines will redoengine rpm didnt change may a little but had to listen. new fuel filter retighten the cooling tube clamps dealer left loose no water in oil no oil in water go over the area the mech worked in and correct as much as i could find even found the break hose pulled off. check and looked at all wires hoses i could find. what i didnt do yet; ck injector pump timing lifter pump new one coming in fuel tank and p/u line humm wonder if i could make up a snake valve fuel pressure leak down test turbo also another question; whats a good place to install a fuel pressure gauge - a note on this. ive notice in my research that doing this could save you big bucks lifter pump going badetc.. i just pulled the sender p/u out of my 98 vw jetta engine craped outs after dropping below 1/2 tank found what looked and felt like some type of rubber crap will put a gauge on this car also. and how the hell can you use a code reader have autoxray on this truck without having to lay out $1000 min for a dodge drbii - iii scanner. i will try the mil flashing method again.. in short what low buck check/repair can you do to fix if possible... thanks; dave .

From : john z kerry

is this all you can think of. how about an original thought every now and then -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving sure but the right will never admit to that one. go practice your stand up comedy routine t-bone. john z kerry .

From : tbone

thats not how i remember it but then you never remember things as i do. now this we can agree on. and you missed the point that you will twist corrupt and even lie to save your sorry butt. this is no different than you have done and are still doing in

From : j a m

ive already seen stolen honor the nra has been broadcasting that pack of lies for some time now. the people who produced it have already been discredited. we didnt loose the vietnam war because of jane fonda or john kerry. we lost it because we had no plan to win no moral justification for being there and the local population did not want us there. depressingly similar jam stolen honor has komrad kerrys camp deeply worried. the facts and accuracy are irrefutable as is the credibility of the men who tell the story. the viet nam war was lost in large part by the media arm of the democrat party otherwise known as the mainstream media. they no longer have an iron clad grip on what information the public gets as was recently seen in the dan rather and cbs fiasco of lies. jane fonda and komrad kerry played out their treason. to fondas credit she apologized to viet nam vets. when is komrad kerry going to apologize john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

on 18 oct 2004 010121 gmt iamgoode@aol.com iamgoode wrote looking to replace my spekers and want to get something to match the factory infinity amps. can some one tell me the rms/peak watt ratings input apreciated. sean sometimes you can find that sort of info on crutchfields site by looking up what fits your vehicle. www.crutchfield.com .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on sun 17 oct 2004 230835 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd what troubles me is that some folks cant see that. they think that the idiots are some sort of wonderful. roy hmmm. i dont get that impression. i really think it has become a negative vote thing. people vote more against a candidate than for one. we havent had a decent candidate for a long time now. i actually voted for gore last time and it really hurt to do that. local politics are the same. around here we get the same crap fopr state offices too. i guess there just arent any heros any more. its the two party system it exists only to serve its self. most politicians arent running to serve the people that elected them they are running to serve themselves. jam .

From : budd cochran

only because it allows him to duck the flying vegetables easier. -- budd lyndon johnson was cinc and vastly expanded the war by asking for a blank check from congress. it was called the tonkin gulf resolution. johnson was a democrat. i am glad to hear you volunteered for military service. that is a plus. we needed guys in support billets back home. as far as apologies jane fonda apologized. when is kerry going to apologize be sure to watch stolen honor to be aired next week on sinclair broadcasting tv stations. it is the story of kerrys treachery and traitorous behavior after he returned home from his four months of service in viet nam. the story is told by former american pows who suffered at the hands of their no. vietnamese captors as a result of kerrys anti-war broadcasts. like i said jane fonda apologized for her treason. when will kerry apologize for his treason lol yea another desperate act by the right that will probably backfire on them and truly shows just how petty and scared they really are.. thanks for another well reasoned and worded response t-bone. your oratory skills are only exceeded by your written expression. do you do stand up comedy john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : tbone

j. a. m. wrote john z kerry wrote this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam one group so called conservative republicans here we go again with broad & sweeping statements. nevermind just enlighten us as to what the republican party used to be dont you remember abraham lincoln herbert hoover dwight eisenhower gerald ford the republican party use to be the party of moderation now it has become the party of intolerance. the republican party couldnt buy a vote in the south because it was the party of abraham lincoln. some of the worst raciest in our government were democrats. that all changed with lyndon johnson and the civil rights legislation he championed. after that the democrat party lost the support of the south and the republican party moved in to scoop up the disenfranchised intolerant former democrats. jam i forgot theodore roosevelt. jam .

From : ramworker

fairbanks-morse 38td 8 1/8 3627hp@ 900 rpm .

From : mike simmons

looking to replace my spekers and want to get something to match the factory infinity amps. can some one tell me the rms/peak watt ratings input apreciated. sean rec.bicycles.marketplace .

From : roy

tom you believe in differing degrees of lying and of truth do you believe in degrees of pregnancy or death also deception is lying period. deviousness is lying period. your idiocy is still showing. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : beekeep

judging from the misinformation you post here you wouldnt know a fact if it bit you on the ass. na na na poo poo. ohhh you are such a meany! you really hurt my feelings. rotflmao! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : theguy

roy wrote with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. aw shit ................ ya done it now. thats worth at least a 50 post thread. jerry .

From : theguy

on sun 17 oct 2004 230835 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd what troubles me is that some folks cant see that. they think that the idiots are some sort of wonderful. roy hmmm. i dont get that impression. i really think it has become a negative vote thing. people vote more against a candidate than for one. we havent had a decent candidate for a long time now. i actually voted for gore last time and it really hurt to do that. local politics are the same. around here we get the same crap fopr state offices too. i agree so the one now in office we know sucks and the one running may not suck as much. gotta go with the one that may not suck as much as opposed to the one we know sucks. local politics are different people have to remember it is not a spectator sport people have to participate and support and work to get the candidate of their choosing elected. i guess there just arent any heros any more. they are out there i hope. .

From : roy

what weve got for government is the result of complacency among voters. too many have thought for too long their vote doesnt count but it does. i glad to see the drives to get more voters off their butts and into the booths i just hope that political lowlifes are using them to force voters for selected candidates. -- budd im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd .

From : dddd

on sun 17 oct 2004 230835 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd what troubles me is that some folks cant see that. they think that the idiots are some sort of wonderful. roy hmmm. i dont get that impression. i really think it has become a negative vote thing. people vote more against a candidate than for one. we havent had a decent candidate for a long time now. i actually voted for gore last time and it really hurt to do that. local politics are the same. around here we get the same crap fopr state offices too. i guess there just arent any heros any more. .

From : denny

lyndon johnson was cinc and vastly expanded the war by asking for a blank check from congress. it was called the tonkin gulf resolution. johnson was a democrat. i am glad to hear you volunteered for military service. that is a plus. we needed guys in support billets back home. as far as apologies jane fonda apologized. when is kerry going to apologize be sure to watch stolen honor to be aired next week on sinclair broadcasting tv stations. it is the story of kerrys treachery and traitorous behavior after he returned home from his four months of service in viet nam. the story is told by former american pows who suffered at the hands of their no. vietnamese captors as a result of kerrys anti-war broadcasts. like i said jane fonda apologized for her treason. when will kerry apologize for his treason lol yea another desperate act by the right that will probably backfire on them and truly shows just how petty and scared they really are.. thanks for another well reasoned and worded response t-bone. your oratory skills are only exceeded by your written expression. do you do stand up comedy john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : mike simmons

lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. this speaks volumes about kerrys character as if we didnt know already. the intent of kerrys attack was to shave off support in bushs base. if you were familiar with the issues and debating tactics you would understand why cheney chose not to respond to edwardss remarks about the constitutional amendment. it would be a waste of value rebuttal time since nationwide polls continually show very strong about 78% support across the nation for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage and prevent liberal activist judges from legislating from the bench by making gay marriage legal. what union are you a member of t-bone most of your rants closely resemble the standard leftist labor union propaganda. a government employee union perhaps makes me think of nteu national treasury employees union. what a bunch of communist corrupt thugs that group is! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : denny

on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote no. not a chance. it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. it would if any of us were really that committed to a candidate roy. it really looks like most of us are more committed against a candidate than really for one. but really its no different than the k&n threads or any other countless other threads that been contested on this ng. some of which you have been a willing participant. i doubt that any of those arguments ever changed anyones mind on this ng ever. i think it really is just about the journey so to speak. we just seem to enjoy the arguing because once we get tired of one subject we just go on to another one. after the election is over do you think the arguments will be over do you think the political arguments will be over or the religious ones i dont. i really think the subject matter whatever it is is secondary to the opportunity to argue. damn right!! btw your mother wears combat boots! ;^ mike and has heated leather seats...... denny .

From : theguy

on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote no. not a chance. it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. it would if any of us were really that committed to a candidate roy. it really looks like most of us are more committed against a candidate than really for one. but really its no different than the k&n threads or any other countless other threads that been contested on this ng. some of which you have been a willing participant. i doubt that any of those arguments ever changed anyones mind on this ng ever. i think it really is just about the journey so to speak. we just seem to enjoy the arguing because once we get tired of one subject we just go on to another one. after the election is over do you think the arguments will be over do you think the political arguments will be over or the religious ones i dont. i really think the subject matter whatever it is is secondary to the opportunity to argue. damn right!! btw your mother wears combat boots! ;^ mike roy .

From : ramworker

on sun 17 oct 2004 174812 gmt ramworker ramworker@aol.com wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. yeah that is a good point. i guess i dislike kerry so much that i lose sight of how bad bush has been. if it werent for kerry id probably be complaining about bush. you said it... i gotta agree with it... scary aint it.. g denny .

From : jerry

on sun 17 oct 2004 174812 gmt ramworker ramworker@aol.com wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. yeah that is a good point. i guess i dislike kerry so much that i lose sight of how bad bush has been. if it werent for kerry id probably be complaining about bush. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. what a load of misguided spin! .

From : roy

kurt i have an 04 ho 3500 dually. it has 1200 miles on the clock. the first week i saw 15. i see 16.2 now. i have a 4.10 axle. i have seen 17.5 by being very careful. snip in 1200 miles how many fillups can you have had are you calculating it from fillup quantities or dashboard display i only rely on fillup quantity and mileage between fillups to figure it. ron .

From : budd cochran

i forgive you budd. now lets see if you really mean it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving in the past i have said things to some of you that have strained if not alienated any friendship we had or could have had. for these terrible words i am sorry. i offer no excuses for i do not know why i said those things. it could have been the onset of some of the more recent health problems . . . i dont know. it could have been problems with my medications . . i dont know and i do not offer these as excuses. i do not even expect any reply to this post and i seek none. i dont ask any of you to accept my friendship as i know i may have destroyed any chance of it and it will truly be my loss. i only offer my sincerest apologies. thank you all. -- budd .

From : miles

tbone wrote i forgive you budd. now lets see if you really mean it. geez ................ even this thread he attempts to turn it into a pissing match. unbelievable.............. jerry .

From : tbone

unfortunately bonini you still owe me apologies youve refused to give. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. i forgive you budd. now lets see if you really mean it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving in the past i have said things to some of you that have strained if not alienated any friendship we had or could have had. for these terrible words i am sorry. i offer no excuses for i do not know why i said those things. it could have been the onset of some of the more recent health problems . . . i dont know. it could have been problems with my medications . . i dont know and i do not offer these as excuses. i do not even expect any reply to this post and i seek none. i dont ask any of you to accept my friendship as i know i may have destroyed any chance of it and it will truly be my loss. i only offer my sincerest apologies. thank you all. -- budd .

From : budd cochran

haha ....egk....i knew i was gonna pay for that mistake...hee .

From : tbone

what do you guys think of the diesel hop-up kits any down sides what do you know of pricing kv .

From : tbone

on sat 23 oct 2004 162347 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote only 5 posts all day must be some problems. roy i was on a goose hunt with that good old down home boy -- john kerry. so many garys ..so.. clyde .

From : miles

on mon 25 oct 2004 132123 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote on sat 23 oct 2004 235856 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote mike it seems like i owe you a big hearty thank you. since you posted those malicious comments about my weight and attire everybody seems to be f*^%#$g with me instead of those god-awful political threads. if that is what it takes you should have done it months ago. thanks again!!! bg #2 id vote for you in your bunny suit... the white house could us a lil humor.. i can see the press corps now filming the pres in the rose garden... 2 tractors up on blocks and a target range against the security wall.. not to mention that most of my advisors would be from this ng.... i bet we could screw it up in less that two months.. denny ifn you get elected can i have one of them cushy gummint jobs mike secretary of the truck interior heated seat division mac! not you too! mike .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote i dont care who you vote for i am just curious as to why you feel it needs to be kept a secret even after the fact because that is his choice. you do understand the concept of choice rather than believe the warped ways that you do .

From : tbone

on sun 24 oct 2004 152157 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote lol yes you did pervert. no i didnt. i said i would vote for the candidate of my choice nad it isnt your candidate. thats all i said and youre just making your syupid assumptions troll-baby. sorry budd bu

From : tbone

just like you do to me suckup. i already know that you will vote right down the republican line just like every election day. reotflmbo!!!!! deluding yourself are you you think you know more than god remember one thing if nothing else when i say anything about who i will or will not vote for in a political thread it is always a joke. i never tell anyone who i really vote for outside my immediate family. fair enough. then why should i tell you youre certainly not immediate anything to me. sure i am but what does that have to do with anything. are you embarrased about your selection what is the point of keeping it secret after the fact because it is still none of your business. why are you embarrassed of your decision or want deniability if your selection screws up like this president did. then stop thinking of me that way perv. oh dear tommy-troll-baby . . . . always with the sexual insults. how childish . . . which is the real reason you are a troll-baby. no insult you keep calling me your baby and im beginning to wonder about you now. rotflmbo!!! bonini if you were my son id put you up for adoption to a tribe of cannibals and demand a refund from the doctor and hospital. how childish. you really are an angry little man. definition troll-baby a infantile acting troll that can only think up childish replies aka t. bonini then perhaps i should call you troll baby suckup because this definition fits you as well as the one for a suckup. ive got more sense of humor in my little finger than you have had your entire life. keep dreaming. thank you i will. psychologists say its neccessary for ones mental health. then i think that you amy need a little more sleep. i think you need a remedial spelling class as well a spell of deep coma. resorting to attacks on typos now. you seem to be sinking fast. it really doesnt matter as when im joking you ignore that part and claim it as an admission of something deception boy. who are you trying to deceive now who are you trying to decieve yourself maybe nobody thats your speciality well second to your sucking up. youve really convinced yourself of this havent you well it explains why you cant remember the times we have agreed on anything. the funny thing is neither can you or you would have answered me. face it suckup you developed an attitude toward me from the very beginning and have either stayed out of discussions or accused me of being wrong. there have been times but your own hatred of me and others blinds you to the truth. i dont hate you budd that is the other way around and you know it. the level that you have descended to in these last few posts shows that. as for you agreeing with me it really never happened and thats why you cant remember it either. hell one time you provided proof that i was right in an old argument with max on the flow of voltage and when i thanked you you recanted it lol. yep and i recanted it because upon getting more complete info from you and a better understanding of what you were really saying i found you were wrong.the whole situation resulted from your lack of concern for truth and accuracy. sorry suckup but that is once again incorrect. i simply said that voltage does not and cannot flow nothing more and nothing less. max said different as usual back then and away we went. the fact is that voltage does not flow and if you think that it does then ill add that to my win column as well. if you were as concerned with the truth as you clain another deception then you would have not recanted the truth to help out your friend which is actually what you did. and you wonder why i have the attitude toward you that i do. your attitude towards me tom if you were to look me face to face with this attitude of yours id just turn my back and walk away. you are not worth the effort to punch your lights out. na with your hatred of me you would attempt to hit me. besides you attitude is three-quarters or more of your troubles anyway.you have never allowed anyone to correct one of your screw-ups without causing a big fight. the same goes for you suckup. when was the last time you let anyone correct you about anything that you thought that you knew gasp!!!! you havent taken the time to learn what your chosen political choice proposes and/or supports this answers neither question like i really expected anything more from you. maybe not directly but it does show you need to look at what the liberals really stand for. now is that what they really stand for or just what you convinced yourself that they stand for. i suggest you find out for yourself. that way you cannot call me or anyone else a liar over it. like i said over and over im more in the middle than you would think. the problem is that you are so far to

From : budd cochran

i just got a new radiator cap for a 99 dakota v8 5.2l. it has a slight difference from the original cap and im confused which one is operating correctly. both caps are identical in size shape appearance etc. on the bottom and inside of both caps there is a vacuum value that opens to allow fluid from the reservoir back into the radiator when appropriate when theres vacuum created by the fluid in the radiator cooling down. the cap-head on this vacuum value is about the about size of a dime in thickness and diameter. on the original radiator cap this vacuum valve cap-head requires a very slight force say from your fingernail to pull it away from the rubber gasket whereas on the new radiator cap i bought from a dodge dealer parts dept. the vacuum valve cap-head hangs freely about 1/8 from the rubber gasket i.e. you dont have to pull it to separate it from the gasket. thinking the new cap was defective i stopped in another dealer and he showed me another cap and it did the same thing the vacuum valve cap-head hangs freely. which one is correct or am i missing something such as when heat is applied to the new cap the vacuum value cap head retracts closes and touches the rubber gasket or have i seen two defective caps from two different parts departments the type of cap with the spring loaded disc that you removed is for non-recovery systems with an air space above the fluid level the dangling disc type is for coolant recovery systems that are full of fluid to the top. the dangling disc type is correct for your 99. .

From : tbone

i dont know but theyre called out as separate part numbers and the guy at napa told me the one for automatics wont work. why would they be different the 5.2 and 5.9 v8 work with either the flex plate or flywheel. steve any suggestions where to buy online a crankshaft position sensor for 92 3.9l local auto parts places carry them for automatic transmission but not for manual. thanks .

From : tbone

when driving my truck goes acts as if it is going from overdrive to non-overdrive. this has only happened once before when it was about 3 years old. i took it to the dodge place and they replaced the throttle position sensor question where is it located on my engine is it hard to replace or should i take it in again and how much is a sensor and where can i purchase a discounted one thanks in advance for any help i can get! .

From : budd cochran

on sun 24 oct 2004 170925 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote id vote for you in your bunny suit... the white house could us a lil humor.. i can see the press corps now filming the pres in the rose garden... 2 tractors up on blocks and a target range against the security wall.. not to mention that most of my advisors would be from this ng.... i bet we could screw it up in less that two months.. denny its already been done several times and well.. maybe we could make it better by retiring all the politicians .

From : budd cochran

only 5 posts all day must be some problems. roy i was bow hunting i dont have the world wide internet thingy installed in my bow stand yet. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : budd cochran

on sun 24 oct 2004 171608 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote dan blather we interrupt this regularly scheduled program for some breaking ....... moments ago a series of shots were heard from behind the white house..... for more on this breaking story we turn to our white house correspondent agatha shagnasty..... agatha...... agatha shagnasty thank you dan... reports are sketchy at this time but here is what we know...... about 10 minutes ago... approximately 445 eastern a series of five shots were heard from behind the presidents residence at the white house. secret service agents on the scene have reported to me that the shots sounded like they came from a large caliber handgun...... dan blather agatha...... agatha...... can you tell where the shots were fired from........ agatha shagnasty dan.... at this point we cant although a reliable source has indicated that several shell casings were found on the back porch of the white house.... just a moment....... dan blather stand by ladies and gentlemen our correspondent agatha shagnasty appears to be conferring with secret service agents on the scene...... agatha..... agatha...... can you tell us more agatha shagnasty dan at this moment i can.... the secret service agent in charge has just reported to cbs that in addition to the spent shell casings found on the back porch a bowling ball riddled with gunshots was found near a flower bed in the rose garden..... dan blather agatha.... agatha..... did i hear your correctly.... a bowling ball... agatha shagnasty yes dan that is correct.... the secret service is confirming that i bowling ball was hit by several rounds from a large caliber handgun.... although at this time the secret service has indicated that the damage to the ball was minimal...... dan blather agatha..... has there been any speculation as to who may have fired the shots.... anything at all agatha shagnasty no dan at this point the secret service has not been able to identify a suspect... although there is one clue they are pursuing..... dan blather what clue is that.... what do they have to go on agatha shagnasty dan.... this is unconfirmed but i have spoken to several eyewitnesses and they are reporting that a large pink bunny was seen fleeing the scene on a garden tractor mumbling something about a machine..... dan blather that certainly is strange agatha a pink bunny on a garden tractor.... hmmmmm..... agatha shagnasty yes dan it certainly is..... i will throw it back to you in the studio and attempt to find out more from the secret service agents here at the white house..... this is agatha shagnasty reporting live for cbs at the white house...... dan blather thank you agatha.... so we know that shots were fired behind the white house spent shell casings from a large caliber handgun were found on the back porch of the white house and a bullet riddled bowling ball was found in the rose garden. at this time the secret service has one suspect a pink bunny who excaped the scene on a garden tractor...... and now back to our regularly scheduled programming. we will interrupt this broadcast again as nes develops.... dan blather.... cbs ... very good mike... i had no idea that service managers had that much free time! .

From : tbone

what do you guys think of the diesel hop-up kits any down sides what do you know of pricing like any other performance products - theres lots to choose from. some good some bad. some are straight plug-n-play some are powerful enough that you will destroy your truck in short order if you dont know what youre doing. downsides are more wear and tear on drivetrain components warranty implications and the like. pricing can run anywhere from $300 for a used pressure box to over $15k for a complete racing package with just about any level in-between. what kind of truck do you have and what are you looking to do with it .

From : tbone

roy wrote there was a report at the end of todays race that one of hendricks planes went off radar on the way to martinsville. anybody in the area have anything on the local about it roy yes it did. ten dead. martinsville va. ap - a hendrick motorsports plane crashed sunday on its way to a nascar race killing all 10 people aboard including the son brother and two nieces of the owner of one of auto racings most successful organizations. http//www.canada.com/national/nationalpost//story.htmlid=53b7eda0-e2ab-4888-811f-516ce621d02f -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : theguy

dan blather we interrupt this regularly scheduled program for some breaking ....... moments ago a series of shots were heard from behind the white house..... for more on this breaking story we turn to our white house correspondent agatha shagnasty..... agatha...... agatha shagnasty thank you dan... reports are sketchy at this time but here is what we know...... about 10 minutes ago... approximately 445 eastern a series of five shots were heard from behind the presidents residence at the white house. secret service agents on the scene have reported to me that the shots sounded like they came from a large caliber handgun...... dan blather agatha...... agatha...... can you tell where the shots were fired from........ agatha shagnasty dan.... at this point we cant although a reliable source has indicated that several shell casings were found on the back porch of the white house.... just a moment....... dan blather stand by ladies and gentlemen our correspondent agatha shagnasty appears to be conferring with secret service agents on the scene...... agatha..... agatha...... can you tell us more agatha shagnasty dan at this moment i can.... the secret service agent in charge has just reported to cbs that in addition to the spent shell casings found on the back porch a bowling ball riddled with gunshots was found near a flower bed in the rose garden..... dan blather agatha.... agatha..... did i hear your correctly.... a bowling ball... agatha shagnasty yes dan that is correct.... the secret service is confirming that i bowling ball was hit by several rounds from a large caliber handgun.... although at this time the secret service has indicated that the damage to the ball was minimal...... dan blather agatha..... has there been any speculation as to who may have fired the shots.... anything at all agatha shagnasty no dan at this point the secret service has not been able to identify a suspect... although there is one clue they are pursuing..... dan blather what clue is that.... what do they have to go on agatha shagnasty dan.... this is unconfirmed but i have spoken to several eyewitnesses and they are reporting that a large pink bunny was seen fleeing the scene on a garden tractor mumbling something about a machine..... dan blather that certainly is strange agatha a pink bunny on a garden tractor.... hmmmmm..... agatha shagnasty yes dan it certainly is..... i will throw it back to you in the studio and attempt to find out more from the secret service agents here at the white house..... this is agatha shagnasty reporting live for cbs at the white house...... dan blather thank you agatha.... so we know that shots were fired behind the white house spent shell casings from a large caliber handgun were found on the back porch of the white house and a bullet riddled bowling ball was found in the rose garden. at this time the secret service has one suspect a pink bunny who excaped the scene on a garden tractor...... and now back to our regularly scheduled programming. we will interrupt this broadcast again as nes develops.... dan blather.... cbs ... .

From : budd cochran

hey gang we have a 89 dodge dakota pu with ati-lock brakes. released the parking brake yesterday and the brake and anti-lock warning lights stayed on. plenty of fluid and rear brake were just install about 4 mo. ago shade tree mech. no brake noise or failers as of yet. the parking brake is set everytime its not being used. are there some command causes of this can i drive it some .

From : tbone

right behind the #8 fuel injector. right rear .

From : tbone

on sat 23 oct 2004 164327 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote hell my 2 yr old grandkid thinks the cat is a lion... ill have to ask him what normal is... now that yall cant decide how normal i really am lets just say my little year and a half old grandcritter likes me and she thinks im normal.. so there.... denny i never said denny was normal . . . . . hes just . . . . hes . . . . let me get back to you on that . . . -- budd ah-h-h-h . . . .its so nice to see a bit of normalcy in the group again . . . -- budd normal dennys normal since when mike on wed 20 oct 2004 221740 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote denny i want you to notice that i havent said a word. but the old hippy sure is having a bit of sport with ya.vbg if hes having fun poking me hes probably leaving his ole lady alone. maybe shell send me a dozen chocolate chip cookies. nice pics bro i knew you couldnt resist..... denny roy i wish she would send you some cookies dude! hell i might... for a few dozen cc cookies ill even pay the fed-ex bill..... and pose for a few pics in my bunny suit..... denny ... he dont look that great..... really mike please tell us more. roy well.... you see.... it was like this....... i was sitting under the awning of my rv in pigeon forge tn minding my own business btw when up pulls this minivan. out from the minivan bounds this three-hundred pound dude wearing a pink bunny suit....... sob!...... i cant go on..... from here it gets ugly..... sob!..... . mike if i have to start talking about your remote controlled heated seats and what youve done to the leather people will think you are really strange..... denny ahem! if i recall i was not the one who fired the first salvo! mike .

From : theguy

i know this is off topic for this group but i know about 90% of the folks in this ng do sleep..i would be one of the poor saps in the 10% that dont sleep has anyone used a tempur-pedic mattress or pillow http//www.tempurpedic.com/home/ i was just wondering how they were. mainly the pillow i am not about to spend the $$ on the whole bed! even $70 for a little pillow is rather steep but if it works it would be worth it to me. thanks in advance! im in the same boat as you. i was thankful to get 3 hours at any one time due to a junk back. i tried the tempurpedic pillow with the intent of buying the bed. didnt work for me. i finally settled on the select comfort about a year ago pricey but i sleep 8 hours all the time visits to the bonecrusher are once every couple of months rather than a couple a week. heres the addy www.selectcomfort.com ymmv roy .

From : miles

i know this is off topic for this group but i know about 90% of the folks in this ng do sleep..i would be one of the poor saps in the 10% that dont sleep has anyone used a tempur-pedic mattress or pillow http//www.tempurpedic.com/home/ i was just wondering how they were. mainly the pillow i am not about to spend the $$ on the whole bed! even $70 for a little pillow is rather steep but if it works it would be worth it to me. thanks in advance! .

From : theguy

on 22 oct 2004 121110 edt miles unknown@unknownspam.com wrote theguy wrote is the middle class income set that high last time i saw it was much lower. i dont remember the exact amount but it was much lower than taht around 50 to 60k. but then it could have been years since ive seen that i just cant keep track of all of the details any more. dont know. but the living standards of what we call the poverty level would be considered middle class in many european countries. people at the poverty level here still have a home and a car and many other items considered luxeries in most countries. yeah lol. its called credit. anyway i wasnt disputing that miles i was just surprised by the income levels that jam gave. just scanning the net for a second here it looks like the poverty level for a family of four is $28234. one generic site i found defines middle class income as 30 to 50k. upper middle at 50 to 80k. all the other sites talked about a family income at 80k for a middle class income. again im not tryign to argue about it i was just surprised by the figures that jam used. .

From : john smith

on fri 22 oct 2004 133306 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote last time i saw the numbers middle class was defined as a family of four with an income of over $100000 a year. correct me if im wrong but that puts most of us in the working class. terms like middle class values and support our troops are meaningless unless they are more accurately defined. jam middle class the socioeconomic class between the working class and the upper class. is the middle class income set that high last time i saw it was much lower. i dont remember the exact amount but it was much lower than taht around 50 to 60k. but then it could have been years since ive seen that i just cant keep track of all of the details any more. .

From : tbone

on fri 22 oct 2004 131957 gmt joe brophy pcfixr@spiretech.com wrote on thu 21 oct 2004 185030 gmt weller4@hotmail.com kate wrote it doesnt happen every time but three times in the last six weeks. when im coasting to a stop at a light or about to turn a corner the engine just quits. we replaced the coil and thought it was fixed but it died again a few days later. someone suggested changing the battery so we did that and the check engine light went out and stayed out for a change so we thought it was alright. then it died at a light again. other than the coil or the battery can anyone suggest anything else it might be the mechanic on our last visit said the fuel line is ok but that last visit was such a hassle we cant face going back. three times in and out and the check engine light always came back on at the first stop light. im afraid to turn it over to the mechanics again. if anyone has had this happen id love to hear how you fixed it. thanks for reading and for any advice or suggestions you care to give. there should be a ecm code stored with the check engine failure that might help narrow down the probable cause if you or your mechanic dont have access to a obd-ii scanner many auto parts stores will read the codes out for you. the o2 sensor as suggested in another post is a likely suspect if it has the original installed if you want to take another good guess at it. ive got the same year durango so i am interested in what you find good luck. joe could also be built-up crap in the throttle body. build-up will occur just at the point where the throttle butterflys touch the sides of the tb and it shuts off the air supply when the butterflys close. remove the air cleaner and wash the crap out with carburetor cleaner. sounds stupid but the buildup becomes a real problem. i have to do it about once/year to solve the very problem that you described. so many garys ..so.. clyde .

From : budd cochran

sorry tom its your fantasy to expect everyone to be just like you. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : miles

lol i never said that everyone should be equal but when you have someone making up to a million or more a year i dont care what they do they are greedy. hmm john and teresa kerry annual income $5700000.00 net worth between 500 million and one billion investing in tax free vehicles to lower their effective tax rate to 12.4% sounds greedy as hell to me using your own definition of greedy. you had some point to make .

From : j a m

tbone wrote lol i never said that miles. uh ya in not so many words you sure have. if that is not true then tell me how can someone be very wealthy and not be greedy in your view now that is an assumption from you that is also completely incorrect. bull. you have routinely labeled anyone that is wealthy as being greedy. whats worse is that those youve labeled as such you do not really know at all. doesnt stop you from calling them greedy for the simple fact that they are wealthy. again i ask how can someone in your view be very wealthy and not be greedy there really is a point however where success becomes greed and you act like that is your ultimate destination. a wealthy persons destination is to be greedy why because they get off their ass to continually improve and strive to be successfull here you go again by setting an arbritary limit on how much someone can make beyond which their ultimate destination is greed. i guess that would depend on how you define successful. there really is a line between success and greed although you fail to see it. you have never once defined that line. not once. you just instantly label anyone that is wealthy as being greedy. i ask yet again. how much can someone make and deserve it and not be greedy where is your line you have refused to set any line and instead make generic statements that cant accuratly be applied to anyone. but you still apply the greed label freely. what you deserve and being greedy are not the same thing miles. i will take your word for it that you worked hard and congratulations on your success. it is what you say in here that makes you appear to be greedy. to you but then thats very easy to do in your view. just say i have money and you jump all over saying im greedy. youve made bonehead statements like others make less than me as if thats evil. anyone who works their butts off and becomes successfull deserves the rewards of their work. lol i never said that everyone should be equal but when you have someone making up to a million or more a year i dont care what they do they are greedy. ah so a million a year is the line where anyone making more is greedy by default this absurd logic is very representative of the warped views of the radical left. you wish to set a limit to how much someone can make label them as greedy and tax the crap out of them. a person should be allowed to earn whatever their capabilities and hard work allows them and not be punished by a liberal government for working their ass off to be successfull. since the economy in general is not doing all that well under bush and general manufacturing is in the toilet how exactly are you doing so well now. how many of your contracts are linked to the war effort indirectly because your first statement is very very wrong. the economy is growing in almost every sector. your liberal warped mind that is highly politically biased against bush allows you to believe otherwise. for you to make the assumption that anyone who is currently doing well must provide a service to the military is blatenly absurd. my company makes products that are used by almost every sector of our lives. i told you what we produce earlier. you use them or see them in some way almost daily. they could be in your car at the grocers at the gas station on plane at a truck stop in your bathroom at the post office etc. the military contracts make up a small % less than 10% of total. i await your apology for continually making absurd assumptions about me our economy and insinuations that anyone successfull now must be heavily involved in the military. lol i never said that you didnt work hard for what you have but now you seem to think that the world owes you something for it. world owes me when you work your ass off then yes you get a paycheck for that work. you spin it around to suggest that is greedy to expect a paycheck in return for hard work. i know its just the size of the paycheck which you just set a limit of $1 million. great then im not greedy by your definition because i make far less than 1 million. iirc you intend to collect your full salary for as long as you and your company exist even after you retire and that my friend is greed. that is one of the most liberal and absurd concepts every made by you. you think someone should not be able to work their ass off to be successfull and provide for a comfortable retirement. what is it with you people should not be able to retire and live off the results of 40-50 years of hard work good grief your mind is radically twisted! the current social programs are not all that they could be but much of that comes from them not being properly funded. thats not true. the problem with most is not funding. its the fundemental principals behind most programs that are flawed. they do not actually help people to get off o

From : tbone

on thu 21 oct 2004 185030 gmt weller4@hotmail.com kate wrote it doesnt happen every time but three times in the last six weeks. when im coasting to a stop at a light or about to turn a corner the engine just quits. we replaced the coil and thought it was fixed but it died again a few days later. someone suggested changing the battery so we did that and the check engine light went out and stayed out for a change so we thought it was alright. then it died at a light again. other than the coil or the battery can anyone suggest anything else it might be the mechanic on our last visit said the fuel line is ok but that last visit was such a hassle we cant face going back. three times in and out and the check engine light always came back on at the first stop light. im afraid to turn it over to the mechanics again. if anyone has had this happen id love to hear how you fixed it. thanks for reading and for any advice or suggestions you care to give. there should be a ecm code stored with the check engine failure that might help narrow down the probable cause if you or your mechanic dont have access to a obd-ii scanner many auto parts stores will read the codes out for you. the o2 sensor as suggested in another post is a likely suspect if it has the original installed if you want to take another good guess at it. ive got the same year durango so i am interested in what you find good luck. joe .

From : miles

on wed 20 oct 2004 221740 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote denny i want you to notice that i havent said a word. but the old hippy sure is having a bit of sport with ya.vbg if hes having fun poking me hes probably leaving his ole lady alone. maybe shell send me a dozen chocolate chip cookies. nice pics bro i knew you couldnt resist..... denny roy i wish she would send you some cookies dude! hell i might... for a few dozen cc cookies ill even pay the fed-ex bill..... and pose for a few pics in my bunny suit..... denny just send him the damned cookies and ferget the bunny suit... he dont look that great..... mike footsss* *fraternal order of the sissy seat society figgered id do it fore you did #2 .

From : roy

what are the major concerns i should have about performance and detremental affects to the vehicle if i use a snow plow transmission heat if a automatic. easy to avoid with a transmission temp gauge and a deep pan. are there any recommendations about which plow and hitch system i should use ive used fisher products for 30 years without any major problems. fisher uses a trip edge where others may use a trip blade. friends have used a v blade but have had problems with them. get a good set of dedicated snow tires while your at it. heres something to look at www.fisherplows.com all of dennys advice is right on the money. talk about suckin up after all those rabbit jokes....... vbg did you buy the truck off your buddy yet denny roy thanks tony .

From : budd cochran

ninebal310 wrote from mirse@aol.com mirse i found the problem. it was something i did or rather something i didnt do. it wasnt aols fault. as you can see when you first mentioned aol someone will always blame aol. i guess it has something to do with the size of their penis note small letters. sorta like the ford vs chevy shit. i would think it was funny if they meant it as a joke but i dont think that is the case. hank no. its just that most of us gave up training wheels years ago. bob .

From : budd cochran

it doesnt happen every time but three times in the last six weeks. when im coasting to a stop at a light or about to turn a corner the engine just quits. we replaced the coil and thought it was fixed but it died again a few days later. someone suggested changing the battery so we did that and the check engine light went out and stayed out for a change so we thought it was alright. then it died at a light again. other than the coil or the battery can anyone suggest anything else it might be the mechanic on our last visit said the fuel line is ok but that last visit was such a hassle we cant face going back. three times in and out and the check engine light always came back on at the first stop light. im afraid to turn it over to the mechanics again. if anyone has had this happen id love to hear how you fixed it. thanks for reading and for any advice or suggestions you care to give. .

From : budd cochran

lol yes you did pervert. no i didnt. i said i would vote for the candidate of my choice nad it isnt your candidate. thats all i said and youre just making your syupid assumptions troll-baby. now stop thinking of me that way! actually troll-baby which describes your actions lately quite well i think of you very little especially when im not online . . .youre simply not worth it. you told greg that you were probably not voting for bush and now in the previous thread you said that you were just like i was voting for kerry. you cant have it both ways. either you were deceiving greg or you were lying to me. and you have no sense of humor do you maybe i was teasing greg maybe i was teasing you only i know for sure and im not telling you. why dont you ask greg how it appeared to him since you tend to lie to me all of the time ill go with the later and you are wasting your vote. you have no basis to recognize lies if the smacked you in the face since liberalism proposes there is no such thing as a lie just different truths and shades of truth. you really must learn more about what you believe before you try to defend it. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : jerry

wrong tom. a vote cast is never a vote thrown away. it represents the desires of that individual to see that candidate elected. it means nothing more and nothing less despite what you say. lol wrong. if you vote for yourself there is no way that you are going to get elected and you know it so you are doing nothing more than wasting time and your vote. and you are wrong because it would still be a vote cast for the candidate of my choice and not yours. thats where you having the trouble with it troll. no i stated my opinon of your logic . . .its beyond absurd and bordering on the rediculous. like i said you are wrong. like i said youre beyond absurd and bordering on the rediculous . . .which is your normal condition troll. lol none of you business and it easy to claim to do something unprovable like who you voted for since we do use the secret ballot system. iow you never voted for a democrat. i didnt ask who you voted for just how many times you went to the democratic side and this answer screems zero!!! like i said budd you are a conservative puppet. you and your damnable assumptions!!! no matter what you assume its my business and not yours. however your trollsheimers is acting up because youve forgotten i mentioned i was once a democrat. idiot. are any of the issues you disagree with potentially more dangerous then all bush has done to date like opening us back up for terrorist attacks by considering them to be nuisances terrorists took oiver twice as many innocent lives as have died in the fighting and thats a nuisance yawn the conservative fear tactics dont work on intelligent people. someone is not in touch with reality . . . . . true but we talk to you anyway. spinning again troll im not your baby pervert stop thinking of me in that way. please show me the three times that i have admitted to being a troll troll. another trollsheimers attack troll my but you can be forgetful when you think it will cover your butt. you said it and you just said it and you are still just as wrong. got it now troll nope. didnt think you would troll-idiot. only to you. and you hardliner. another assumption troll-baby put kerry in and watch us get whupped on by terrorists. lol what a complete load of crap. ah yes the winning line you used in another thread which of course is not according to you as childish as the reply it prompted . . . .wrong!!!! thats what theguy is doing. he wants bush to finish what he started and make the us a safe place to live again. those days are done budd. only if we follow idiots like you and kerry. tell us something tom why did we not have the troops and equipment we really needed for this war the world will never be a safe place for us like it once was. its a fallacy to believe you cvan be safe anwhere on earth. as long as there is more than one person on this planet there will be disagreements. come out of the fantasy world and get a clue. the truth is that it never really was we were just too arrogant and stupid to see it. right. my folks didnt worry about me being molested by someone with an alternate lifestyle because those people were still hiding in closets. my folks didnt worry about drive-by shootings because cops and the courts had real authority to invoke real punishment and kids were taught right from wrong not shades of grey justification. my folks taught their kids that to kill outside of a war is wrong. tom come on back from your la-la-land. just look at israel and you will see terrorism cannot be stopped only controlled and waging wars all over the world will do nothng but foster more of it. the situation between israel and the palestinians was prophesied thousands of year ago. israel has lived through it for thousands of years and will till the end comes. we are still losing americans to terrorism almost every day. really where i havent heard of anymore attacks here on our own soil just in the war zone where fighting is supposed to happen. the fact that the enemy is usuing suicide bombers is to be exepected. thats the way those cowards fight. to lose soldiers in a war is to be expected. the only difference is where they are and what they are wearing. you better explain this one better youve lost yourself on it. i guess that is ok with you as long as it isnt near you or iow not in my back yard huh budd. whats that supposed to mean another tommy-troll-attack on me lol im still working on your test be patient. btw i didnt un-highlight that thread until 4 days of no replies to it had ocurred. if you posted after that then too bad. lying again budd what does highlighting have to do with anything i highlight threads im involved in idiot and since you didnt reply for four days i left the thread. ill not sit around waiting the likes of you. and youre always a l

From : jerry

but it can help to make it a more level playing field so everyone can get a fair chance at success. no tom what makes one successful is adversity making do with what god gave you facing and overcoming obstructions learning from mistakes setting reasonable goals while not letting anyone else tell you what you should achieve and then doing it to the best of your ability. the libs want to give everybody the same thing that everyone else has communism in its basic form then beat down those that would achieve greatness while bolstering those that need everything handed to them because theyre too cotton picking lazy to get off the butts and do things for themselves. big clue here tom read it carefully life is not fair will never be fair no one can make it fair and it will bite you when you forget the first three points about life. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : theguy

on wed 20 oct 2004 221740 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote denny i want you to notice that i havent said a word. but the old hippy sure is having a bit of sport with ya.vbg if hes having fun poking me hes probably leaving his ole lady alone. maybe shell send me a dozen chocolate chip cookies. nice pics bro i knew you couldnt resist..... denny roy i wish she would send you some cookies dude! hell i might... she decided to bake choc. chip cookies this weekend... must have made 5 or 6 dozen and left them in the kitchen in freezer bags... i gain a few pounds every time i walk through... lol my neighbor just found out hes got high blood pressure and is on this real strict diet... she forgets and brings out a plate of cookies hot from the oven and puts them in front of him.. argggggggg .

From : miles

on wed 20 oct 2004 145515 -0400 steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote on wed 20 oct 2004 174101 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote on wed 20 oct 2004 170809 gmt theguy theguy@myplace.com wrote ok i got up got myself a cup of coffee sat down and pulled up except a couple of posts from miles. no offense miles they were nice posts. no tbone no jam no redneck oops i mean john z kerry no budd geez. does my isp have a server down has the world come to an end my morning is ruined. guess ill have to turn on talk radio or something. rush is no substitute for tbone! what are you thinking rush is no substitute for anyone! oops did i just start another argument nope..i gave up on rush years ago... now its neal boortz in the morning and micheal savage in the eve... ok since its gonna become a rush thread... *lol* i used to listen to him a lot back in the days before he became a legend in his own time... .

From : miles

on wed 20 oct 2004 222005 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote on wed 20 oct 2004 021251 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote saw the duck still lookin for the wabbit... mac do you have pics of the wabbit http//www.geocities.com/dpprdave/pics/duck/ i also found out how the bunny raises money to support his gun habit! mac that aint no model 500..... little weapons are for city folk.... g denny ohhhh.... i see now... and all this time i thought that it was city folks that were compensating for something... *eg* .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i dont have to buy into anything kerry says about bush i can see it with my own eyes and the only reason that you dont is because of your greed. greed i have worked my ass off for decades to be fairly successfull. if you feel that by me benifiting from my own hard work is greed then you are doomed for failure. you and your other rich friends are doing well with his irresponsible tax cuts and i bet that your business has a lot of dealings with the military or companies that supply the military so this war and the tax cuts are making you even wealthier. another bonehead assumption of you based out of jealosy and political bias. you just hate people who are successfull. i have yet to hear you say anyone who is successfull deserves it. to you everyone single person who is successfull is greedy. you know nothing about me what i do how i earned what i have etc. yet you make absurd assumptions that i dont deserve it and am greedy. this is the very radical far left liberal mentality where you want everyone to be equal. i have some military contracts but they make up a small % of the total so you are wrong there tbone. i spent decades living on near minimum wage in dumpy studio apartments and earned and am thankfull for everything i have today. i never blamed the gov. or anyone else when i failed and was starving. thats how you become successfull. ill accept your apology. would also say that you have no use or concern for any social programs that are cut and the increased costs of living pale in comparison to the added money you are making so to you he is awesome. social programs help very few. mostly they hold people down through oppression. they rarely lift those people out of welfare and into the working class. yet you liberals still love your social programs because they make you feel good like youre doing something. i rarely see the left supporting substantial funding of job education programs for the poor. instead you support freebie handouts that just keep people needy but gain the left votes from those that are hungry. but to the rest of us that are not hiding under the bed in fear of the next terrorist attack and working twice as hard for around half of the pay he sucks. see here tbone. you blame bush or anyone else you can for your own shortcomings and failures. the rest of us work our ass off and stive to be better and more successfull regardless of who is in the whitehouse. i did poorly economically when clinton was in the wh. i didnt complain that it was his fault. it was my fault so i did something about it. try it sometime rather than blame others. and how exactly these tax cuts are doing anything for the economy with the exception of the rich like you. only an idiot would think that the economy would grow with a tax hike or holding taxes high in a down economy would cause it to grow. oh and i am not rich. another boner assumption. see tbone while i am not rich i do not complain and blame anyone. i have what i need. a small home and food on the table. now quit bitching about whos fault your own failures are and get off your ass and be successfull. otherwise youre in for a long wait for someone else to solve your problems. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote but it can help to make it a more level playing field so everyone can get a fair chance at success. thats the falicy of the far left. if youre not successfull blame it on someone else. its always someone elses fault. the key to being successfull is to take self responsibility for successes as well s failures. relying on the gov. or others or blaming them when you fail is a good way to never succeed. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote so you cant accuse me of protecting jerry. but tell me what was the point ot the stupid senseless comment that you made above because he said something that hit a little close to home and showed his ignorance and shortsighted stupidity. btw exactly what buisness is it of yours about as much business as you jumping in and trying to use the death of a cousin to start a bullshit argument before finding out what was actually being talked about. it wasnt to start an argument jerry it was discust with your typical short sighted reasoning and attitude. many people were wounded in that war many physically and many mentally. some so bad that they couldnt go on although you would probably just call them cowards. i can see how the mental attacks would not effect you since it is too small of a target but others were never the same. to say that you have no sympathy for any of them which is what you said shows both your ignorance and complete lack of compassion for anything. you really are a bitter old man jerry and i actually feel sorry for you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote the only one that doesnt have a clue is you and your right wing me myself and i nature came shining through once again. i guess that is the new conservative trademark huh something to be proud of. yep i do put my family first and im proud of it. now since you do not like that attitude what have you done for me lately let me rephrase that. what have you done that is good for me lately lets try that again. what have you done that is good for me ever why is everything you miles -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

the sneed wrote barney wrote john z kerry wrote do you see a pattern here you take men who were either too old or too young to serve and make it appear as though they somehow evaded military service. heres a shining example of somehow... * ted nugent did not serve. he only shoots at things that dont shoot back. yes turd nugent. recd draft call urinated and defecated in his clothes for several days then showed up for medical exam and was passed over. the turd said so himself in a music magazine interview. love his music from the old days. he is a certifiable nut job now. jam while i disagree with his draft dodging i certainly wouldnt call him a nut case. he has camps to help troubled kids he doesnt do drugs or drink alcohol and believes in providing for his family not government handouts. yes he is certainly extreme in his mannerisms but if we had more people like him we would have a lot less whiners expecting the government to take care of them. if i had his money i could do any thing i wanted to just like him. jam but would you .

From : tbone

if this fantasy brings some joy into your life continue believing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hey youre the one talking about kerry thats nothing but babble. i spoke about an observable event your backpedaling. and youre about to hit warp factor one. . . . . -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. you really do like to babble dont you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving gawd troll youve been backpedaling so hard of late your about to set a new backwards land speed record. but dont stop on my account. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. if you really think so lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving failed rotflmbo!!!! ive got you spinning like a top about being a troll mr backpedal. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. but even at that he fails. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep .

From : tbone

lol yes you did pervert. now stop thinking of me that way! you told greg that you were probably not voting for bush and now in the previous thread you said that you were just like i was voting for kerry. you cant have it both ways. either you were deceiving greg or you were lying to me. since you tend to lie to me all of the time ill go with the later and you are wasting your vote. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol i admitted nothing of the sort spinning-troll-baby. my wife might vote for him otoh but thats her decision. i have no right to influence her just as you have no right to influence any voters either. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. possibly but i will be canceling out theirs as well and that is all that i can really do. btw it looks like you just admitted to be voting for bush which makes you post to greg deception or as you like to put it a lie. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving as will you for kerry . . .but someone somewhere will cancel your vote. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. yea sure anything that you say. you will be pushing the bush button just like the rest of the obedient puppets. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wrong tom. you need to look more closely how the system works. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol dont bet on it tommy-troll-boy. anyone can vote for anyone they choose in the us. i may write myself and my wife in for president and vp. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. please it is more than obvious what candidate you are going to vote for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : tbone

tbone wrote which is for the most part true. if you dont want bush to serve another term then you need to vote for someone that actually has a chance of winning even if that were nader. to just cast a meaningless vote serves no purpose and is a mockery of our system. to cast a vote for someone you do not want in the wh is a mockery of our system and your statements support that contention. exactly and if you dont want who is in the wh to remain there then you must vote for someone who can get enough votes to get him out provided of course that you like the opponent at least a little more. no its people like you that vote down the party line no matter how poor of a job your candidate does and the fact that they all lie through their teeth that stops many. if you are just going to make a bs vote why waste your and my time here you go again boner making another one of your ever so common baseless assumptions. who said i vote down the party line here in az the past 3 govs have been republican and were all horrible. one was impeached one kicked out because of felony charges against him and the last bankrupt our state through incompetance. we now have a dem. in office because of that. stop with the arrogant assumptions based on your own political bias. what does this mean did you vote for the democrat i noticed that you didnt say so. the fact that it took 3 times before the state switched parties more than proves my point. even hardliners have varying degrees of stupidity and many will eventually either get discusted or wise up even if only for a little while. unless your third party has even a remote chance of winning you are really just wasting your time and the time of others waiting behind you to vote. please explain exactly what purpose doing that would serve. oh geez tbone this statement of yours shows the level of your arrogance. it is people like you that cause so many to not vote at all. so if i do not like either canidate one bit i still should vote for one of them the inner workings of the liberal mind at work here folks. unless you dont want change yes you do. a message needs to be sent that if you dont do the job that you promised and dont have a damn good reason for it out you go. if the workings of the liberal mind is to stay united and effect change then im proud to be called one by you. what is your method to stay fragmented ad do nothing so that the corruption can continue. yea miles thats real conservative of you. as much as the right would want to believe that it simply isnt true. and if it were doesnt that show just how bad of a job he did. oh but it is true. kerry has little support of his own. only bush haters or party line dems. complete bs. that is true of some but ill ask again if so many are bush haters like you claim why is that reagan didnt have so many haters and neither did bush sr for that matter. kerry has yet to campaign on his own 20 year record with only two weeks left. and the same goes for bush. all he can do is say why kerry cant be president not what he has done. actually he does say plenty he just cant back any of it up. he has yet to solidify any policies of his own that he would enact if elected. only to say he would do this or that better. oh except taxes. he did say he would raise taxes. good grief. lol and this is the whole issue for you the taxes. kerry doesnt favor the rich as completely as bush and fro that reason alone you hate him. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jerry

roy wrote john to lighten things up a bit. just think of what cheneys daughter does all the time. not a thing wrong with that girl. i love to put my face in pussy too!! bfg roy is the bfg before or after............ both!!!!!!!! roy jerry .

From : jerry

roy wrote john to lighten things up a bit. just think of what cheneys daughter does all the time. not a thing wrong with that girl. i love to put my face in pussy too!! bfg roy is the bfg before or after............ jerry .

From : miles

tbone wrote gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. aw poor little thing ran his mouth again about something he had no clue about and now his little feelings are hurt. your nintindo game break or something moron........ jerry .

From : regis

the past few days ive seen almost zero traffic here then all of a sudden lots of posts from the day before. bad lag somewhere in the mix of things. theguy wrote ok i got up got myself a cup of coffee sat down and pulled up except a couple of posts from miles. no offense miles they were nice posts. no tbone no jam no redneck oops i mean john z kerry no budd geez. does my isp have a server down has the world come to an end my morning is ruined. guess ill have to turn on talk radio or something. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote the only one that doesnt have a clue is you and your right wing me myself and i nature came shining through once again. i guess that is the new conservative trademark huh something to be proud of. yep i do put my family first and im proud of it. now since you do not like that attitude what have you done for me lately let me rephrase that. what have you done that is good for me lately lets try that again. what have you done that is good for me ever .

From : j a m

ok my ramcharger wouldnt start for the longest time and i finally got it running 2 days ago. turns out that i wasnt getting spark because the ignition control modulewhich is built inside the ecu was bad so i replaced it and the fuel pump relay was bad i as a quick fix i jumpered it to get it running. now heres the thing that baffles me....i got a new battery for it and went to start it and it wont start!! itll turn over real nice but no go. i checked the spark at the plug wires and im only getting intermittent spark so then i checked the ignition coil and its getting a real nice spark over there. then i did a little test to see if i had a bad pick-up coil in the distributor there is a plug coming from the dis. which has 3 prongs and its connect has 3 cavities in which the prongs go into. anyway i jumpered the bottom 2 cavities with a wire and pulled the ignition coil wire off the dis. and grounded it out. i kept breaking the connection at #3 and #2 cavities and the throttle opens up in the carb letting gas in. after 4 tries doing that i hear a buzzing sound coming from where i grounded out the igition coil wire that came from the distributor which sounds like electricity to me so thats an indication of a spark. what the manual says is that if im not receiving spark at the coil wire then either the pickup coil is bad or the connection at the 2 and 3 cavities are bad. the manual also states that the voltage at cavity #1 should be about one volt off from battery voltage. well it was reading about 9.23 volts. once again according to the manual if voltage is within specs then the pickup coil is bad if im not receiving voltage at all then the #1 cavity at the connector is bad. personally i think the pickup coil is bad but i figured someone here might know. this is really bugging the bejesus out of me. does anyone know what might be wrong .

From : miles

eac wrote a semite is a descendant of shem who was the son of noah. how many semites in the world today try most of the worlds population. a hebrew is a descendant of eber eber is one of the descendant of shem. how many hebrews in the world today try most of the worlds population. an abrahamic is a descendant of abraham who was a descendant of eber. how many abrahimics in the world today try most of the worlds population. ishmael and isaac are the sons of abraham their descendants encompass most of the israelites during the time of moses. how many people today who are descendants of the israelites well... you know the answer most of the worlds population. in short. adam - noah - shem - eber - abraham - ishmael and isaac - israelites - most of the worlds population today. note arabs are people who lived in the arabian pennisula. by that defintion moses who spent many of his years there and the israelites during their travel to the land of canaan are arabs. as for what jesus would define himself i think that he probably would proudly proclaimed that hes an adamic descendant of adam and gods servant he probably would also state that he was strengthened by the holy spirit and probably would also state that god use his body to talk and relate to the people hes jesus christ when hes in that state. thanks the detailed information is much appreciated. how do the oriental peoples fit in to the equation jam .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote so you cant accuse me of protecting jerry. but tell me what was the point ot the stupid senseless comment that you made above because he said something that hit a little close to home and showed his ignorance and shortsighted stupidity. btw exactly what buisness is it of yours about as much business as you jumping in and trying to use the death of a cousin to start a bullshit argument before finding out what was actually being talked about. one thing is for sure you havent earned the right to criticize me or any other vet for that matter about something you know absolutely zero about. pot-kettle-black and in your case it is consistent. as someone else told you fuck off. jerry .

From : budd cochran

hey youre the one talking about kerry thats nothing but babble. i spoke about an observable event your backpedaling. and youre about to hit warp factor one. . . . . -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. you really do like to babble dont you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving gawd troll youve been backpedaling so hard of late your about to set a new backwards land speed record. but dont stop on my account. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. if you really think so lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving failed rotflmbo

From : tbone

on tue 19 oct 2004 173414 gmt john kunkel kunkel.j@shorts.comcast.net wrote yada yada yada yada that boat sailed and sank. your anchor is chained to a coward who weaseled his way out of combat. oh my what profound comments you make! do you leftists believe everyone will buy what your dumocrat spin doctors regurgitate oh and it is the media arm of the dumocrat party otherwise known as the so called mainstream media that coined the word insurgents. insurgent n one in revolt a rebel. if these same people had been in revolt against sadman insane you and you conservative lackies would be gladly labeling them insurgents and supporting their work. uh if they had been in revolt against saddam they wouldnt be the same people that they are. they wouldnt have the same thoughts and practices that they do. their ideology would be totally different than it is. wouldnt that necessarily call for a different response from us duh! .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote aw poor little thing ran his mouth again about something he had no clue about and now his little feelings are hurt. the only one that doesnt have a clue is you and your right wing me myself and i nature came shining through once again. i guess that is the new conservative trademark huh something to be proud of. everyone stand back tommy is having another melt down......... jerry .

From : budd cochran

on mon 18 oct 2004 073206 gmt cds cds@noneofyourbusiness.com wrote what kind of mpg on highway and also in city can i expect with it. been a chev man for some time but liking the idea of the 5 speed auto on the 2005 over the 4 speed auto in the chevs. i have a 2004 2500 with 5 speed manual and try to get every last bit out of a gallon of gas. the hemi has other ideas. in 7k miles best ever tank was 14.7 average is around 13. low is 10 mpg pulling a 5000 lb horse trailer. overall about 3 mpg worse than my old 97 ram with a 318. woody; 95fxds .

From : theguy

tbone wrote what does this have too do with what budd said. iirc he said that me might vote for himself and his wife. what does that have to do with a third party. geez tbone youre going in circles here! you told budd that if he doesnt vote for bush or kerry its the same as voting for bush. which is for the most part true. if you dont want bush to serve another term then you need to vote for someone that actually has a chance of winning even if that were nader. to just cast a meaningless vote serves no purpose and is a mockery of our system. and since you have all wisdom tell us how a third party cannot win all it would take is enough votes cast for that candidate. while completely true the third party would have to be popular enough to win enough votes. voting for yourself or even nader this time with 2% pole results is just throwing away a vote. wrong tom. a vote cast is never a vote thrown away. it represents the desires of that individual to see that candidate elected. it means nothing more and nothing less despite what you say. i replied that while i do not like nader at all i agree with his views when hes stated many times that your type of logic is just absurd. not really. yes it is. sorry budd but once again you make a comment with nothing to back it up iow you are wrong. no i stated my opinon of your logic . . .its beyond absurd and bordering on the rediculous. its why so many dont bother to vote at all. no its people like you that vote down the party line no matter how poor of a job your candidate does and the fact that they all lie through their teeth that stops many. if you are just going to make a bs vote why waste your and my time lol the leading but barely so supporter for voting along liberal party lines is saying to not vote party lines!!!!! i happen to like some of kerrys ideas. im not sure that he can do all of it but at least he is thinking in the right direction. i also think that bush failed in his first term which makes it easier to overlook some of the issues with kerry that i dont like. i have voted fro republican presidents at least three times. how many democratic ones did you vote for lol none of you business and it easy to claim to do something unprovable like who you voted for since we do use the secret ballot system. are any of the issues you disagree with potentially more dangerous then all bush has done to date like opening us back up for terrorist attacks by considering them to be nuisances terrorists took oiver twice as many innocent lives as have died in the fighting and thats a nuisance someone is not in touch with reality . . . . . what a freaking hypocrite you are troll. na that would be you newly admitted troll. lol you have admitted to trolling at least three more times than i did and to other posters but i only troll you troll-baby. not voting for bush or kerry means voting for some 3rd party even if its a party of one being yourself. unless your third party has even a remote chance of winning you are really just wasting your time and the time of others waiting behind you to vote. please explain exactly what purpose doing that would serve. any vote against kerry or bush is one less vote they have to tally for the electoral college votes. sufficient votes cast for a third party candidate would get them elected. yes but only if the third party has a remote chance of winning didnt i just say that you said it and you just said it and you are still just as wrong. got it now troll the problem is that the hard liners will continue to vote down the party line regardless of how bad a job their guy is doing for any justification at all as demonstrated by theguy. only to you. he basically said in another thread that bush failed in every way but the bs war in iraq and that is why he is voting for him a true hardliner. put kerry in and watch us get whupped on by terrorists. it is time that the american people start holding the president accountable for their job and when they fail they are replaced. thats what theguy is doing. he wants bush to finish what he started and make the us a safe place to live again. if you understood the system of voting it would be obvious but its like your mechanical abilities . . . oh sorry forgot you dont have any of those either. yea i guess thats why you got your ass kicked and ran away from the turbo thread. lol im still working on your test be patient. btw i didnt un-highlight that thread until 4 days of no replies to it had ocurred. if you posted after that then too bad. ill add that one to the carbon locked ring one. still keeping the childish score troll-baby sounds more like your typical drag up the past for a assault because i cant beat him on his terms again that youre infamous for. i do understand the system of voting

From : tbone

on tue 19 oct 2004 173249 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 19 oct 2004 154746 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote tbone wrote gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. tom here is another good example. you cant accuse me and jerry of being buddies lol i didnt accuse you and budd of being buddies either. he is the one who tends to kiss up to people. so you cant accuse me of protecting jerry. but tell me what was the point ot the stupid senseless comment that you made above because he said something that hit a little close to home and showed his ignorance and shortsighted stupidity. btw exactly what buisness is it of yours it makes you look petty. it makes you look stupid. it doesnt pertain to the discussion. it isnt relavant to anything. then perhaps you should mind your own business. tom we have been over this before. this is a group. a public ng. you dont pay subscription fees. you dont have to join. it is public. what you write here is available to the public. you make it everyones business when you post here. if you want it private you can go to email but when you post here you have made it public. thats what this place is. public. there is no private here tom. this is a group. get it yet in other words tom when you post here you have chosen to make it my business. it is really pretty simple tom. its always been that way. it was just another stupid thing to say. no worse than much of what yuou have been comming out with as of late. really what i have said has certainly been in oppostion to what you have had to say but i have tried to say it without directing any insults at least lately. i did apologize to you once because i felt that what i wrote went over th line a bit but i hadnt intended it that way. i think what you are saying is that what i have written is stupid because it doesnt fit your liberal perspective in the discussion of late. you will have to live with that tom. it just drags you down and detracts from everything else you say. why do you do that why is it that im the only one doing it or is it more that im the only one doing it who disagrees with your shortsighted political viewpoint. geez tom. thats about all i can say. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. aw poor little thing ran his mouth again about something he had no clue about and now his little feelings are hurt. the only one that doesnt have a clue is you and your right wing me myself and i nature came shining through once again. i guess that is the new conservative trademark huh something to be proud of. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

possibly but i will be canceling out theirs as well and that is all that i can really do. btw it looks like you just admitted to be voting for bush which makes you post to greg deception or as you like to put it a lie. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving as will you for kerry . . .but someone somewhere will cancel your vote. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. yea sure anything that you say. you will be pushing the bush button just like the rest of the obedient puppets. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wrong tom. you need to look more closely how the system works. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol dont bet on it tommy-troll-boy. anyone can vote for anyone they choose in the us. i may write myself and my wife in for president and vp. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. please it is more than obvious what candidate you are going to vote for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : theguy

im looking for trunk springs or complete hinge assemblies for a 1940 dodge d14 four door sedan. help! please e-mail ojaimike@aol.com .

From : tbone

are wrong because you almost always are wrong if you could actually come up with an origional thought you would do much better at this. why is it that everytime i call you something or refer to you as something such as being a baby you immediatly feel the need to use it. cant you think up anything on your own if im almost always wrong why did i show your lack of knowlege in so many issues such as the turbo discussion where you finally realised that you were in error and ran away. you want to believe that i am always wrong so that you can for some reason feel better about yourself but just because you wish it doesnt make it so. grow-up troll-baby. tom you really gotta get a grip and stop acting like a little child everytime a point is made that hits home. like i said in my last post start accepting a little responsibility and youll have more credability around here. lol exactly what point is that. it seems that the only thing that hit home is the comment i made above since now you are back stomping your feet and acting like a baby. like i said before if you dont like what i have to say then kill file me otherwise gfy. no acting like a baby is what youre doing tom. gee are you theguy now funny how you complain when other do the very thing that you are now doing. you rejoiced when theguy and i had a disagreement now weve found a subject we agree upon you are so jealous it makes you the fool. yeah thats real mature of you . . . .not! actually no i didnt and iirc you were calling him my twin and saying that we were the same person. now that he agrees with your political viewpoint and differs from mine you couldnt run fast enough to kiss up and try to be friends. that shows both a complete lack of self respect on your part and a true hatred of me lol. any port in a storm huh budd if you were just having fun with me why would you do this. answer more deception from you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 292076 4lcdd.285805$3l3.192784@attbis03 wrongwrong and wrong. cheney brought it up himself weeks before when he was asked about the ammendment to the consitution. he was at as usual a selected group gung-ho dittoheads and he mentioned that his lesbian daughter had a right to whatever relationship she chose but that he had to follow his presidents lead on the ammendment. so cheney brought it up to prove how much he cares about his lesbian daughter. this despite the fact that his wife denied her daughter was a lesbian on national tv in march and that mary was not allowed up on the convention floor to stand with the rest of her family. if republicans want to say theyre anti-gay fine say it. but dont say you love your children and then deny them on television. my my you are an angry little leftist liberal. perhaps dan rather can use you on his staff once again when left without a valid point you resort to name calling. the simple fact is that cheneys daughters sexual orientation was well known and calling her a lesbian she is is no different than calling bush a conservative he is. .

From : theguy

yada yada yada yada that boat sailed and sank. your anchor is chained to a coward who weaseled his way out of combat. oh my what profound comments you make! do you leftists believe everyone will buy what your dumocrat spin doctors regurgitate oh and it is the media arm of the dumocrat party otherwise known as the so called mainstream media that coined the word insurgents. insurgent n one in revolt a rebel. if these same people had been in revolt against sadman insane you and you conservative lackies would be gladly labeling them insurgents and supporting their work. .

From : jerry

on tue 19 oct 2004 154746 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote tbone wrote gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. tom here is another good example. you cant accuse me and jerry of being buddies lol i didnt accuse you and budd of being buddies either. he is the one who tends to kiss up to people. so you cant accuse me of protecting jerry. but tell me what was the point ot the stupid senseless comment that you made above because he said something that hit a little close to home and showed his ignorance and shortsighted stupidity. btw exactly what buisness is it of yours it makes you look petty. it makes you look stupid. it doesnt pertain to the discussion. it isnt relavant to anything. then perhaps you should mind your own business. it was just another stupid thing to say. no worse than much of what yuou have been comming out with as of late. it just drags you down and detracts from everything else you say. why do you do that why is it that im the only one doing it or is it more that im the only one doing it who disagrees with your shortsighted political viewpoint. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

on tue 19 oct 2004 154746 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote tbone wrote gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. tom here is another good example. you cant accuse me and jerry of being buddies so you cant accuse me of protecting jerry. but tell me what was the point ot the stupid senseless comment that you made above it makes you look petty. it makes you look stupid. it doesnt pertain to the discussion. it isnt relavant to anything. it was just another stupid thing to say. it just drags you down and detracts from everything else you say. why do you do that .

From : theguy

tbone wrote yea sure anything that you say. you will be pushing the bush button just like the rest of the obedient puppets. it works both ways tbone. youre a kerry puppet who buys into anything negative said about bush the economy the war whatever. two weeks left before the campaign. so when is kerry going to start campaigning based on his own record prior to the dems convention you told me to wait till the convention. i did and kerry didnt and still hasnt. .

From : budd cochran

gawd troll youve been backpedaling so hard of late your about to set a new backwards land speed record. but dont stop on my account. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. if you really think so lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving failed rotflmbo!!!! ive got you spinning like a top about being a troll mr backpedal. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. but even at that he fails. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep .

From : tbone

on tue 19 oct 2004 063135 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 19 oct 2004 042115 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote kissy kissy kissy no youre not trying to start anything. oh no. and yes youre sure being mature. like you said earlier you dont try to start anything with budd do you your just out there answer answering budds questions and the old guy jumps on you for no reason right you of all people should be the last one to criticize me with the shit you used to do an still do only to me now. funny how budd can seem to say and do anything that he wants but if i say anything at all im the one in the wrong. he even admits in another thread that all he is doing is trying to get me going but thats ok for your new buddy right. there was not intent on my part to protect budd tom but i think that if you would settle down a bit you would know that. i was only suggesting a little decorum on your part. it wasnt directed in favor of budd it was directed against what you had said. didnt matter who you had said it to well ok written it to. anyway just relax politics and politicians arent worth losing your dignitiy over. tom you really gotta get a grip and stop acting like a little child everytime a point is made that hits home. like i said in my last post start accepting a little responsibility and youll have more credability around here. lol exactly what point is that. it seems that the only thing that hit home is the comment i made above since now you are back stomping your feet and acting like a baby. like i said before if you dont like what i have to say then kill file me otherwise gfy. .

From : tbone

on mon 18 oct 2004 144842 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on mon 18 oct 2004 121653 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote your information on lt. dan quayle is incorrect. he was in the combat engineers of the indiana national guard and the in national guard was sufficiently under strength that he did not buy his way in. now if one item is so incorrect then maybe the rest should looked at more closely. i noticed that bush sr. and dole were not on the list... i guess mccain sp doesnt count either he was only a pow.. mccain was on the list. read it again. i guess by the time i got that far id already decided that it was so slanted that it didnt make a lot of difference.. would everyone please vote by absentee ballot asap and get off this political thing .

From : budd cochran

gee jerry dont you have some homeless vets that you can go kick around loser. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote but thats ok for your new buddy right. hell i was his buddy last week now theguy is the new buddy. looks like someone really wants a buddy cant find a buddy crying if someone looks like someone elses buddy and not his buddy. someone please be his buddy ................ lol ya gotta love a consistency even if it is crying and whining. .

From : tbone

2004/2k 11 - 14 in city depending on if i have a load or not. 17 - 22 on highway and 22 was setting the cruise at 65 what kind of mpg on highway and also in city can i expect with it. been a chev man for some time but liking the idea of the 5 speed auto on the 2005 over the 4 speed auto in the chevs. .

From : miles

kissy kissy kissy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving amen. -- budd having said that i will support the winner. if kerry wins ill support him as our president. you have never done that with bush. for you liberals its not about the country its all about you. .

From : budd cochran

tbone wrote what does this have too do with what budd said. iirc he said that me might vote for himself and his wife. what does that have to do with a third party. geez tbone youre going in circles here! you told budd that if he doesnt vote for bush or kerry its the same as voting for bush. which is for the most part true. if you dont want bush to serve another term then you need to vote for someone that actually has a chance of winning even if that were nader. to just cast a meaningless vote serves no purpose and is a mockery of our system. and since you have all wisdom tell us how a third party cannot win all it would take is enough votes cast for that candidate. while completely true the third party would have to be popular enough to win enough votes. voting for yourself or even nader this time with 2% pole results is just throwing away a vote. i replied that while i do not like nader at all i agree with his views when hes stated many times that your type of logic is just absurd. not really. yes it is. sorry budd but once again you make a comment with nothing to back it up iow you are wrong. its why so many dont bother to vote at all. no its people like you that vote down the party line no matter how poor of a job your candidate does and the fact that they all lie through their teeth that stops many. if you are just going to make a bs vote why waste your and my time lol the leading but barely so supporter for voting along liberal party lines is saying to not vote party lines!!!!! i happen to like some of kerrys ideas. im not sure that he can do all of it but at least he is thinking in the right direction. i also think that bush failed in his first term which makes it easier to overlook some of the issues with kerry that i dont like. i have voted fro republican presidents at least three times. how many democratic ones did you vote for what a freaking hypocrite you are troll. na that would be you newly admitted troll. not voting for bush or kerry means voting for some 3rd party even if its a party of one being yourself. unless your third party has even a remote chance of winning you are really just wasting your time and the time of others waiting behind you to vote. please explain exactly what purpose doing that would serve. any vote against kerry or bush is one less vote they have to tally for the electoral college votes. sufficient votes cast for a third party candidate would get them elected. yes but only if the third party has a remote chance of winning didnt i just say that the problem is that the hard liners will continue to vote down the party line regardless of how bad a job their guy is doing for any justification at all as demonstrated by theguy. he basically said in another thread that bush failed in every way but the bs war in iraq and that is why he is voting for him a true hardliner. it is time that the american people start holding the president accountable for their job and when they fail they are replaced. if you understood the system of voting it would be obvious but its like your mechanical abilities . . . oh sorry forgot you dont have any of those either. yea i guess thats why you got your ass kicked and ran away from the turbo thread. ill add that one to the carbon locked ring one. i do understand the system of voting and what you sound like you intend to do is to waste both your vote and the time of the people standing behind you waiting to cast theirs. kerry has almost no support of his own. just people that do not like bush. as much as the right would want to believe that it simply isnt true. and if it were doesnt that show just how bad of a job he did. kerry needs to attract his own support rather than worry about people voting for a 3rd party. what does kerry have to do with this this is what i said not kerry. oho!!! now your more important than the political issues . . . .what an ego you have troll. is this more deception that you are trying to create. where did i say that i was more important than anything. i said what i said miles tried to spin it into some kerry thing which is a load of crap. oh well read it again and see if you can explain this drivel will ya it makes no sense as written. babbling again newly admitted troll boy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .