OT: Looking for 12v Siphon pump
From : Annonymous
Q: 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought thanks. .
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From : marsh monster
========== ========== monster writes ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought yeah...... its called an electric fuel pump. what are you using it for ========== ========== ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote siphoning gas.... i do not want to use a manual hand pump and the old mouth suction method is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator ================ ================ let me tell you from experience if youre intending to use the trucks tank as a storage device for long term fuel usage the theory is just not practicle in proof. if youre planning on using the trucks tank for short term storage enough to maybe run the generator for a day then you should seriously reconsider the entire thing and simply use a 5 gallon portable tank. regardless if youre set on using the trucks fuel for whatever reason then i would suggest you purchase the electric fule pump i suggested. theyre not that expensive and you can rig it with alligator clips on a lenghty extension to hook it to the battery. the proximity of the pump to the vapors coming out of the tanks filler tube would be nill.....simply use long sections of fuel line to route to and from the truck. anywhooooo....... at this point im more curious as to why you would need to draw fuel from the truck to run the generator. its my belief that if you own an emergency generator you should have at least 5 gallons of fuel on hand for it in the first place. my generator carries me for about 12 hours on 5 gallons. in hurricane scenarios we have plenty of time to stockup on fuel. i can see as where that could be a problem in tornado alley or maybe in case of an unexpected white out or blizzard up north. jest curious as to why you would need the fuel from the truck. again consider the electric fuel pump. you can make a homemade set-up that looks fairly professional for around $65 or so. marsh monster sips his crown royal .
From : Annonymous
lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net writes is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator what year vehicle 97 ram - you know the one with the two brand-new cylinder heads... i was intending to do the same thing - fortunately i had a 1990 suburban at my disposal which was easily siphoned... because i seemed to remember sometime in the early 90s manufacturers installing anti-siphon screens in the fill lines. sure enough - sticking a host down my 95s filler neck proved that correct. hmmmm.... hadnt thought about that. will check that this weekend. i have ten 5-gallon cans but in time of need that will only run the generator about 2 days. and since it was an emergency for me as well my 1-quart suction gun was perfectly acceptable for starting the siphon running. youre just looking to suck some fuel out into a gas can - not plumb your tank directly into your generator right right. - although now that you mention it plumbing the tank into the generator sounds intriguing ;^ .
From : geekboy
20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought thanks. harbour feight tools sells a cheap 12 volt marine pump. you can screw regular garden hoses on the each of the openings. it has clips to attach to battery terminals. i do not see why you cannot can the connector. gb .
From : marsh monster
ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought thanks. ========== ========== yeah...... its called an electric fuel pump. what are you using it for marshmonster sips his crownroyal takes a toke off his pipe .
From : Annonymous
monster marshmonster2624@aol.com writes ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought yeah...... its called an electric fuel pump. what are you using it for siphoning gas.... i do not want to use a manual hand pump and the old mouth suction method is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator .
From : marsh monster
========== ========== ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote siphoning gas.... i do not want to use a manual hand pump and the old mouth suction method is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator ======= ======= whats the chances you live near hurricane alley...oops..the gulf coast any whooo....... after ivan tore through here and subsequent generator purchase..... i rigged my 12v air compressor up to pump air into the wallyworld gas cans i purchased. i took one of the gas jug caps i am now the proud owner of 8 5 gallon gas jugs and ran a piece of 1/2 inch clear tubing through it. the half inch tubing sealed fairly well against the flexible plastic spout of the gas jugs spout. i had to nip a bit of the spout off to get the tubing through it and get it to seal tight. then....i simply rigged another piece of hose to slip over the vent port of the gas jugs took an old valve stem removed the core and wahlah...... portable gas station. i hook it up to my battery jump box. im using a cheapo 12v air compressor i got at harbour freight to through in the trunk of the wifes car. it was around $20 best i remember. the only prob is....you have to moniter the whole transferr process..... or...install a pop off valve somewhere because even using that low volume air pump....those plastic wallyworld gas jugs tend to puff out a bit. nothing scary...jest a little puffy lol any whoooo....... it took care of me for 3 1/2 weeks after ivan hit..... 1 1/2 weeks after dennis blew through.... 6 days after katrina went west of me 200 miles..whew so.... theres a working cheap proven method. or...... you could rig an inexpensive autozonedout electric fuel pump up. marshmonster pensacola .
From : marsh monster
====== ====== marsh monster wrote ive been using shop force compressed air to get gas out of vehicals for years....so far so good. 160psi..manymany times in 35 years learned it as a teenager from my pop. but ill keep yer posted facts under consideration will google a bit on the subject and surely change my proceedure if the results confirm your posted facts or unless i blow myself up before i gets inter-ested enough to google on the subject. =========== =========== licker wrote i work in the petrochemical industry. we do not use air to force any liquid out of a vessel pipe or pump cavity we only use an inert gas nitrogen due to the fact that if you used air and the product you are pushing is flammable then you have two elements of the fire triangle fuel and oxygen. now all you need is an ignition source and the right flammable limits and you have problems. why risk it air is a whole lot cheaper to use then nitrogen in an industrial operation but the risk out weigh the cost involved. =========== =========== licker i can understand the concern of using the compress air and i am not repeat...am not suggesting anyone use the method. however its worked for fluid transfer for me for over 35 years on products ranging from lacquer thinner when i started out doing body work to gas to the mineral spirits that i use in the tranny shop. .. again i do not recomend this technique to anyone. it works for me. .. but..... if i find out as the poster implied that using the compressed air is in itself the cause of ignition which i have serious doubts about then ill stop doing it. maybe .. .. .. .. as far as your fuel caddy link good info. the problem is when the electric went out when the 2 hurricanes came through and one tropical storm whos name fails me i was going through 6 gallons of fuel about every 12-13 hours on the generator. im not sure id want to purchase eight or ten fuel caddies to be hauling back and forth to the gas station. the 5 gallon wallyworld jugs are easy enough to transport and just happen to be of a capacity to fill the generator and leave the can empty once you get the timing down. lol .. .. .. .. hurricane season hits in june and im thinking seriously of getting a couple of the empty 55 gallon jugs from the shop to keep at the house. if we get a warning here on the gulf we have plenty of time to prepare so ill just fill those up using my wallyworld technique. anywhoooo.......... good links good info marshmonster pensacola fl hopes his homegrown is picked before the hurrycanes hit .
From : Annonymous
writes 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought i picked up a pump that is powered by 2 flashlight batteries. used it to pull 10 gallons last year without a problem. bought it at a abuchonsp store. roy thanks roy. yeah auchon hypermart. we have a few of those here. ill check em out. .
From : licker
marsh monster wrote whats the chances you live near hurricane alley...oops..the gulf coast any whooo....... after ivan tore through here and subsequent generator purchase..... i rigged my 12v air compressor up to pump air into the wallyworld gas cans i purchased. i took one of the gas jug caps i am now the proud owner of 8 5 gallon gas jugs and ran a piece of 1/2 inch clear tubing through it. the half inch tubing sealed fairly well against the flexible plastic spout of the gas jugs spout. i had to nip a bit of the spout off to get the tubing through it and get it to seal tight. then....i simply rigged another piece of hose to slip over the vent port of the gas jugs took an old valve stem removed the core and wahlah...... portable gas station. i hook it up to my battery jump box. im using a cheapo 12v air compressor i got at harbour freight to hrough in he trunk of the wifes car. it was around $20 best i remember. the only prob is....you have to moniter the whole transferr process..... or...install a pop off valve somewhere because even using that low volume air pump....those plastic wallyworld gas jugs tend to puff out a bit. nothing scary...jest a little puffy lol any whoooo....... it took care of me for 3 1/2 weeks after ivan hit..... 1 1/2 weeks after dennis blew through....6 days after katrina went west of me 200 miles..whew so....theres a working cheap proven method. or...... you could rig an inexpensive autozonedout electric fuel pump up. what you have is a possible explosion. mixing air with gasoline and you have a potential for explosion set off by a small electric spark heat from the transfer pump or static electricity. given gasoline has a lel/lfl of 1.4 and an upper of 7.6 as long as the gasoline/air mixtures stays out of that range you are okay. within those ranges and you have an explosion. sarge .
From : tom lawrence
is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator what year vehicle i was intending to do the same thing - fortunately i had a 1990 suburban at my disposal which was easily siphoned... because i seemed to remember sometime in the early 90s manufacturers installing anti-siphon screens in the fill lines. sure enough - sticking a host down my 95s filler neck proved that correct. and since it was an emergency for me as well my 1-quart suction gun was perfectly acceptable for starting the siphon running. youre just looking to suck some fuel out into a gas can - not plumb your tank directly into your generator right .
From : marsh monster
======= ======= licker wrote what you have is a possible explosion. mixing air with gasoline and you have a potential for explosion set off by a small electric spark heat from the transfer pump or static electricity. given gasoline has a lel/lfl of 1.4 and an upper of 7.6 as long as the gasoline/air mixtures stays out of that range you are okay. within those ranges and you have an explosion. sarge =========== =========== ive been using shop force compressed air to get gas out of vehicals for years....so far so good. 160psi..manymany times in 35 years learned it as a teenager from my pop. but ill keep yer posted facts under consideration will google a bit on the subject and surely change my proceedure if the results confirm your posted facts or unless i blow myself up before i gets inter-ested enough to google on the subject. keep yer fangers crossed fer me and says some hellmaries. marsh better fire that gen&ater up....tis the season .
From : steve ackman
in 1144971393.028893.183410@i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com on 13 apr 2006 163633 -0700 marsh monster wrote as far as your fuel caddy link good info. the problem is when the electric went out when the 2 hurricanes came through and one tropical storm whos name fails me i was going through 6 gallons of fuel about every 12-13 hours on the generator. yikes! if youre just running a tv and a couple of lights a deep cycle battery and an 800 watt modified sine wave inverter will do fine. run the generator for an hour maybe 5 or 6 times a day to keep the refrigerator cold use the microwave vacuum cleaner water pump any other high wattage stuff you need a/c and charge the battery back up. the rest of the time enjoy the silence. hurricane season hits in june and im thinking seriously of getting a couple of the empty 55 gallon jugs from the shop to keep at the house. if we get a warning here on the gulf we have plenty of time to prepare so ill just fill those up with the battery/inverter setup youll burn a lot less fuel in the generator. the rest of the time the setup works real well as a ups/surge protector for your computer etc. a deep cycle battery goes for $40-$50 and the 1500 watt inverter i just got cost $90 + $25 shipping. its for an rv and needed to be big enough to handle the largish microwave. take the microwave out of the picture and the next highest necessity appliance is the coffee maker at 1000 watts. actually water could be heated on the lp stove for coffee but that takes too long! ;- .
From : Annonymous
monster marshmonster2624@aol.com writes whats the chances you live near hurricane alley...oops..the gulf coast houston.... yeah generator frenzy is rampant this year theyre literally flying off the shelves. new policy tho at home depot and lowes all generator sales are final no returns. by the way let me tell you about price gouging. currently empty 5-gallon plastic gas cans are selling for $17.96 apiece. welcome to the guff coast. i picked up a generac 1019 13.5 kw peak 7500 continuous found a manual 2-pole knife switch style transfer switch and wired it all in last weekend. we also put a hard start kit and a 5-minute lockout timer on the a/c compressor. i was pleasantly surprised that with the hard start kit the 1019 runs the whole house and the 4-ton york central air system just fine. nice generator. any whooo....... after ivan tore through here and subsequent generator purchase..... i rigged my 12v air compressor up to pump air into the wallyworld gas cans i purchased. thanks for the idea. .
From : Annonymous
5 gallons will run my generator maybe 68 hours tops. its a generac 1019 7.5 kw continuous 13.5 kw peak - its already wired into the panel via a transfer switch and with the addition of a hard start kit & 5 min. lockout timer on the compressor it *will* easily run the central air 4-ton york 12-seer. but... its a bit of a gas guzzler. i have 10 cans 5 gal each but in an extended outage that will only run me 2 to 2 days. i was just looking for a way to hedge this operation without burning down the garage. monster marshmonster2624@aol.com writes ========== ========== monster writes ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote 20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought yeah...... its called an electric fuel pump. what are you using it for ========== ========== ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote siphoning gas.... i do not want to use a manual hand pump and the old mouth suction method is unacceptable as well. the intended usage would be to make my vehicle fuel available to run an emergency generator ================ ================ let me tell you from experience if youre intending to use the trucks tank as a storage device for long term fuel usage the theory is just not practicle in proof. if youre planning on using the trucks tank for short term storage enough to maybe run the generator for a day then you should seriously reconsider the entire thing and simply use a 5 gallon portable tank. regardless if youre set on using the trucks fuel for whatever reason then i would suggest you purchase the electric fule pump i suggested. theyre not that expensive and you can rig it with alligator clips on a lenghty extension to hook it to the battery. the proximity of the pump to the vapors coming out of the tanks filler tube would be nill.....simply use long sections of fuel line to route to and from the truck. anywhooooo....... at this point im more curious as to why you would need to draw fuel from the truck to run the generator. its my belief that if you own an emergency generator you should have at least 5 gallons of fuel on hand for it in the first place. my generator carries me for about 12 hours on 5 gallons. in hurricane scenarios we have plenty of time to stockup on fuel. i can see as where that could be a problem in tornado alley or maybe in case of an unexpected white out or blizzard up north. jest curious as to why you would need the fuel from the truck. again consider the electric fuel pump. you can make a homemade set-up that looks fairly professional for around $65 or so. marsh monster sips his crown royal .
From : tom lawrence
hmmmm.... hadnt thought about that. will check that this weekend. i have ten 5-gallon cans but in time of need that will only run the generator about 2 days. ill almost guarantee theres a screen down there. you could pull the filler neck off and remove it of course... right. - although now that you mention it plumbing the tank into the generator sounds intriguing ;^ hmmm... get a sump-pump-style float switch drill a hole in the tank cap for the wire to pass through - put a little check valve in the top of the tank and a connector for the fuel line. on the truck wire in a connector for the fuel pump. your generator should have a 12vdc output - you would run this through the float switch and then hook that to the newly-installed connector and pull the relay out this prevents the 12vdc output from the generator from back-feeding to the trucks battery. connect the fuel line to the fuel rail test port and off ya go. as the level in the generator tank drops the float switch trips and fuel is pumped from the truck into the generator... when the level goes up high enough the float switch shuts the pump off... the check valve allows air to escape as the fuel level is increased may not even need it - if the generators fuel cap is vented both ways you dont - sometimes theyre only vented one way to alleviate low pressure in the tank. now you have a 35-gallon 26 if youve got a short bed fuel tank for your generator... very easy to disconnect unscrew fitting on fuel rail test port unplug electrical put fuel pump relay back in and drive the big gas can to the fillin station. of course... if you let it run too long youll pump the big gas tank dry... then youre sol and if you really do this - make sure the float switch is gasoline-compatible so the gas doesnt eat the plastic away .
From : tbone
if it is a 97 he also has to check to make sure it has the test port. my 97 doesnt. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hmmmm.... hadnt thought about that. will check that this weekend. i have ten 5-gallon cans but in time of need that will only run the generator about 2 days. ill almost guarantee theres a screen down there. you could pull the filler neck off and remove it of course... right. - although now that you mention it plumbing the tank into the generator sounds intriguing ;^ hmmm... get a sump-pump-style float switch drill a hole in the tank cap for the wire to pass through - put a little check valve in the top of the tank and a connector for the fuel line. on the truck wire in a connector for the fuel pump. your generator should have a 12vdc output - you would run this through the float switch and then hook that to the newly-installed connector and pull the relay out this prevents the 12vdc output from the generator from back-feeding to the trucks battery. connect the fuel line to the fuel rail test port and off ya go. as the level in the generator tank drops the float switch trips and fuel is pumped from the truck into the generator... when the level goes up high enough the float switch shuts the pump off... the check valve allows air to escape as the fuel level is increased may not even need it - if the generators fuel cap is vented both ways you dont - sometimes theyre only vented one way to alleviate low pressure in the tank. now you have a 35-gallon 26 if youve got a short bed fuel tank for your generator... very easy to disconnect unscrew fitting on fuel rail test port unplug electrical put fuel pump relay back in and drive the big gas can to the fillin station. of course... if you let it run too long youll pump the big gas tank dry... then youre sol and if you really do this - make sure the float switch is gasoline-compatible so the gas doesnt eat the plastic away .
From : marsh monster
======== ======== marsh monster wrote as far as your fuel caddy link good info. the problem is when the electric went out when the 2 hurricanes came through and one tropical storm whos name fails me i was going through 6 gallons of fuel about every 12-13 hours on the generator. ======== ======== steve ackman wrote yikes! if youre just running a tv and a couple of lights a deep cycle battery and an 800 watt modified sine wave inverter will do fine. run the generator for an hour maybe 5 or 6 times a day to keep the refrigerator cold use the microwave vacuum cleaner water pump any other high wattage stuff you need a/c and charge the battery back up. the rest of the time enjoy the silence. =========== =========== steve come on down to pensacola some august. beleive me.....you aint gonna cut that air conditioner off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not me. any whoooooo...... i can afford it. the only real pain in the arse is the gas lines after the hurryupcane comes through and fubars everything around. im hoping the 55 gallon barrels arent going to be necessary for a while. marsh monster .
From : steve ackman
in 1145067171.799906.310110@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com on 14 apr 2006 191251 -0700 marsh monster wrote steve ackman wrote yikes! if youre just running a tv and a couple of lights a deep cycle battery and an 800 watt modified sine wave inverter will do fine. run the generator for an hour maybe 5 or 6 times a day to keep the refrigerator cold use the microwave vacuum cleaner water pump any other high wattage stuff you need a/c and charge the battery back up. the rest of the time enjoy the silence. =========== =========== steve come on down to pensacola some august. beleive me.....you aint gonna cut that air conditioner off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh pesacola. up north. ;- we lived in middleburg 30 miles sw of jax for about 6 years lakeland gainesville and archer for varying amounts of time... and we also owned some land more or less up your way 30 miles north of panama city several miles outside chipley and yes id alternate the a/c on an hour off an hour no problem. i had a construction trailer i used for a workshop. no a/c at all in that. during the nadepjax years i mostly drove an 82 bronco without a/c and had a backup 79 bonneville also without a/c and one day after a t-storm came out after work to find the electric windows wouldnt go down! man! after a few august days in a car with no a/c and no windows anything else is a picnic. but hey... if youre so tender you cant turn off your a/c for an hour prepare accordingly. ;- any whoooooo...... i can afford it. the only real pain in the arse is the gas lines after the hurryupcane comes through and fubars everything around. im hoping the 55 gallon barrels arent going to be necessary for a while. my grandfather had a big ol overhead 250 gallon tank with hose and nozzle for filling tractors and such. one of those would give you plenty of reserve. was it hugo that had parts of charleston in the dark for over a month... and im pretty sure andrew had places powerless for at least a month too didnt he .
From : aarcuda69062
1144832988.524915.254580@v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com proteusdiver proteusdiver@hotmail.com wrote correct me if im wrong... it is a thought that just came and may be totally off... i repeat just brainstorming... in my 93 dakota 3.9 there is a service port on the fuel injection rail to check fuel pressure/depressurize for service etc. what if one was to connect that to a properly made hose and use the trucks own fuel pump with the power switch to the on position engine stopped is it feasible is it safe is there a possibility to damage the fuel pump again just an untested idea... youd need to leave the engine running the pump will only run for a few seconds with the key on engine off. otherwise youve got the right idea... .
From : tom lawrence
youd need to leave the engine running the pump will only run for a few seconds with the key on engine off. otherwise youve got the right idea... true - but easy enough to make a jumper to replace the fuel pump relay and apply battery voltage right to the pump. actually id make up a remote switch some kind of hand-held device with nice long 10-12 leads so that i could easily turn the pump on and off while directing the hose right into the generators fuel tank. i wonder how much flow youre going to get through that little schrader valve though. .
From : proteusdiver
correct me if im wrong... it is a thought that just came and may be totally off... i repeat just brainstorming... in my 93 dakota 3.9 there is a service port on the fuel injection rail to check fuel pressure/depressurize for service etc. what if one was to connect that to a properly made hose and use the trucks own fuel pump with the power switch to the on position engine stopped is it feasible is it safe is there a possibility to damage the fuel pump again just an untested idea... .
From : licker
marsh monster wrote ive been using shop force compressed air to get gas out of vehicals for years....so far so good. 160psi..manymany times in 35 years learned it as a teenager from my pop. but ill keep yer posted facts under consideration will google a bit on the subject and surely change my proceedure if the results confirm your posted facts or unless i blow myself up before i gets inter-ested enough to google on the subject. i work in the petrochemical industry. we do not use air to force any liquid out of a vessel pipe or pump cavity we only use an inert gas nitrogen due to the fact that if you used air and the product you are pushing is flammable then you have two elements of the fire triangle fuel and oxygen. now all you need is an ignition source and the right flammable limits and you have problems. why risk it air is a whole lot cheaper to use then nitrogen in an industrial operation but the risk out weigh the cost involved. someone else mentioned using the port on the fuel rail with the right connection. this sounds good but most vehicles the electric fuel pump is designed to shutdown if the engine does not crank within so many seconds. someone else mentioned the anti siphon devices in the neck of fuel tanks. this may make it harder for you to siphon the gasoline from a vehicle with anti siphon plates. here is a link to an interesting case using a shop vac. http//www.kingcountyjournal.com/sited/story/html/108451 someone also mention purchasing an electric fuel pump for a vehicle. this might work if you bought one of the inline pumps people use to install back in the 80s. an in the tank pump would not work as well as the pump may get to hot. the in the tank type pumps are cooled by the gasoline in the tank. one idea is to purchase a fuel caddy. here is a link to some http//www.interstateproducts.com/fluidtransfer.htmgclid=coazje8p4qcfuf9oaod102qia this could be filled prior to a hurricane approaching and used to fuel your vehicles after the danger is gone. sarge .
From : Annonymous
i grabbed a total of 12 5-gal cans and plan to fill up only if something looks to be headed into the gulf. youre right in the summer time you aint gonna shut that air off. i was positively elated that the generac 1019 will pull a 4-ton york with headroom to spare. by my calculations with the a/c running well burn close to 1 gallon per hour. got plenty of oil spare filter spare spark plug and will have 60 gallons of gas regardless of cost plus whatevers in the vehicles. were 62 miles inland and 94 feet above sea level so no threat of flooding just wind and possible tornados spawned by whatever hurricane might be in the area. wifey thinks we should buy some plywood so we can board up the place. only problem w/that is where do we store the plywood when not needed between all my other yard toys theres not much room. id hate to have to lay it under the vehicles. then its always in the way. guess its time to clean out the garage and get rid of some junk. also with the recent conversion in this area to gasahol 10% ethanol we can no longer leave fuel in any equipment mower chain saw etc longer than about 30 days even with stabilizer. the damned gasahol draws moisture and becomes acidic causing corrosion in the carbeurator. thanks again epa. monster marshmonster2624@aol.com writes ======== ======== marsh monster wrote as far as your fuel caddy link good info. the problem is when the electric went out when the 2 hurricanes came through and one tropical storm whos name fails me i was going through 6 gallons of fuel about every 12-13 hours on the generator. ======== ======== steve ackman wrote yikes! if youre just running a tv and a couple of lights a deep cycle battery and an 800 watt modified sine wave inverter will do fine. run the generator for an hour maybe 5 or 6 times a day to keep the refrigerator cold use the microwave vacuum cleaner water pump any other high wattage stuff you need a/c and charge the battery back up. the rest of the time enjoy the silence. =========== =========== steve come on down to pensacola some august. beleive me.....you aint gonna cut that air conditioner off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! not me. any whoooooo...... i can afford it. the only real pain in the arse is the gas lines after the hurryupcane comes through and fubars everything around. im hoping the 55 gallon barrels arent going to be necessary for a while. marsh monster .
From : Annonymous
steve@snip-this.twoloonscoffee.com writes but hey... if youre so tender you cant turn off your a/c for an hour prepare accordingly. ;- wait till your wife starts going through the change - we keep the place like a damned freezer. my grandfather had a big ol overhead 250 gallon tank with hose and nozzle for filling tractors and such. one of those would give you plenty of reserve. was it hugo that had parts of charleston in the dark for over a month... and im pretty sure andrew had places powerless for at least a month too didnt he tropical storm allison dumped 48 inches of rain on houston in 3 days and had parts of town without electricity for 3 weeks. fortunately ours never blinked but we were lucky because at the time we werent prepared. today we are. .
From : steve ackman
in p57342hjqvcmm79s80fp8n3a8sosu8shaj@4ax.com on sun 16 apr 2006 012735 gmt ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote steve@snip-this.twoloonscoffee.com writes but hey... if youre so tender you cant turn off your a/c for an hour prepare accordingly. ;- wait till your wife starts going through the change - we keep the place like a damned freezer. youre too late with that warning. it wasnt during the florida years... though i cant actually recall where... maybe nh or mn and thats why it didnt really make any impression on me ;- .
From : roy
20+ years ago a friend had a 12-v powered siphon pump ostensibly for siphoning gas that got its power from the cig. lighter socket. he found it in a j.c. whitney catalog. has anyone seen anything like this recently and if so where can it be bought thanks. i picked up a pump that is powered by 2 flashlight batteries. used it to pull 10 gallons last year without a problem. bought it at a abuchonsp store. roy .
From : christopher thompson
youd need to leave the engine running the pump will only run for a few seconds with the key on engine off. otherwise youve got the right idea... true - but easy enough to make a jumper to replace the fuel pump relay and apply battery voltage right to the pump. actually id make up a remote switch some kind of hand-held device with nice long 10-12 leads so that i could easily turn the pump on and off while directing the hose right into the generators fuel tank. i wonder how much flow youre going to get through that little schrader valve though. it may take a while but you could do it with a simple remote starter switch and some spade connectors in the right ports of the fuel pump relay socket. tools most of us have on hand. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango .
From : tbone
that will work just fine provided the fuel rail on your vehicle happens to have a test port to tap into and not all of them do - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving youd need to leave the engine running the pump will only run for a few seconds with the key on engine off. otherwise youve got the right idea... true - but easy enough to make a jumper to replace the fuel pump relay and apply battery voltage right to the pump. actually id make up a remote switch some kind of hand-held device with nice long 10-12 leads so that i could easily turn the pump on and off while directing the hose right into the generators fuel tank. i wonder how much flow youre going to get through that little schrader valve though. it may take a while but you could do it with a simple remote starter switch and some spade connectors in the right ports of the fuel pump relay socket. tools most of us have on hand. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango .