OT: Log homes
From : carolina watercraft works
Q: my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels .
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From : john corliss
carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss the short answer is cause anything goes in this group. notice the ot in the header that means this thread if off topic. dont read it if you dont like the topic. anything goes in this group. there have been dicussions from firearms to pizza toppings to anything else that someone thinks up. it makes for some interesting reading. denny .
From : denny
suddenly without warning denny exclaimed 2/10/2008 826 pm carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss the short answer is cause anything goes in this group. notice the ot in the header that means this thread if off topic. dont read it if you dont like the topic. anything goes in this group. there have been dicussions from firearms to pizza toppings to anything else that someone thinks up. it makes for some interesting reading. denny and why i didnt think twice about asking my own question jmc .
From : abby normal
there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss .
From : roy
there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : tbone
suddenly without warning jeff burke exclaimed 2/10/2008 1202 pm on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these if its a true log home it will almost never stop settling. jeff what does that mean in practical terms were thinking of building a log home as well in a few years time. what it means is that these type of homes are constantly moving. the logs expand and contract with changes in temp and especially humidity. since im more used to settling resulting in wall cracks and whatnot not sure what that means for log homes. with log homes it is the chinking that can give you trouble as well as any windows and even doors. the logs have to be properly fitted together or you will have constant grief with them. make sure that if you build one yourself that you get a bood kit and have somebody that really knows what they are doing or you may regret the project. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : roy
because im looking for input from people that have actual experience and not from someone that might be giving input just because they are somehow associated with the log home industry. thats why. laz i talked to a friend that is a builder and is just finishing up with one. i asked him about the settleing and he says they drop about 2 inches. there is a turnbuckle that you turn to keep things in line. i thought he was kidding but i guess thats how it is. also hes bitched constantly about the quality of the kit. says things take a lot longer to put in like doors and stuff than a stick built home. roy ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss .
From : peterd
on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these the only significant things i knwo are 1. more difficult to sell on the used market sometimes only certain people will entertain buying a log-cabin style home. and 2. if the quality of construction and design is not good they can be a pita to keep up. good side is that short of using stone they are really solid! .
From : miles
peterd wrote 1. more difficult to sell on the used market sometimes only certain people will entertain buying a log-cabin style home. and 2. if the quality of construction and design is not good they can be a pita to keep up. dunno about that. in the mountains of northern az there are scores of log cabins. several lodges b&bs etc. too. much has to do with how well of a foundation is built first. .
From : carolina watercraft works
because im looking for input from people that have actual experience and not from someone that might be giving input just because they are somehow associated with the log home industry. thats why. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss .
From : roy
what ya get http//www.dpmsinc.com/firearms/firearm.aspxid=36 and what really sucks is that its 18 degrees out and windy as all hell. i may fondle it but i aint gonna shoot it today... denny well its supposed to be 75 here with the usual sea breeze. you can always ship it to me and i can put a few rounds through it. can you chamber 556&223 like the bushmaster ya know i could do that but im selfish and greedy and ........... bg yes it has the wylde chamber in it. my colt has the a-1 upper w/ standard buttstock and this one is the a-3 with a 6 position stock. ill probably take the carry handle off and put some kind of aim point on it but i gotta play a bit first. no im not getting an eotech..... mine will probably be made by tasco.. bg been meaning to ask if ya been getting much snow you must ya just bought a new toy. not really. it started out getting the 6-8 at a time but it really tapered off about the first of the year. since then we get maybe an inch at a time. i dont plow most places at an inch but i got six really picky spots that want tracks. i guess if theyre willing to pay i gotta go do it. the good thing is that i can blow thru those spots in about and hour and a half. denny roy .
From : miles
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From : miles
tbone wrote what it means is that these type of homes are constantly moving. the logs expand and contract with changes in temp and especially humidity. not if the logs are properly prepared. do you have a log home by chance all homes settle over the years. some construction types are more tolerable than others. the biggest factors are the soil its built on and the style of foundation constructed. with log homes it is the chinking that can give you trouble as well as any windows and even doors. thats true but generally a sign of improper poor construction techniques. there are numerous ways to allow for expansion and contraction in window and door frames. .
From : miles
roy wrote laz i talked to a friend that is a builder and is just finishing up with one. i asked him about the settleing and he says they drop about 2 inches. there is a turnbuckle that you turn to keep things in line. i thought he was kidding but i guess thats how it is. ive heard of those but dont see them here in az. we have rather hard celiche and clay soil. its common to build an outer retaining foundation with a floating slab to then construct the cabin on but different techniques are used depending on the soil its built on. .
From : beryl
abby.normal wrote there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. then dont top-post you idiot. if you had put a sig line after that everything below would be stripped away making the context un-quotable for the next person who wants to reply. carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss .
From : miles
peterd wrote that may well be true im in nh where we get cold sometimes really cold winters hot summers and even stick built houses can be problematic in that respect. good foundations are vital too. az mountains see summer highs in the 80s occasionally 90s. winters average about 20-30 with a few weeks at 10-15 below. nothing like the northeast winters but cold to me! .
From : jeff burke
on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these if its a true log home it will almost never stop settling. .
From : jmc
suddenly without warning jeff burke exclaimed 2/10/2008 1202 pm on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these if its a true log home it will almost never stop settling. jeff what does that mean in practical terms were thinking of building a log home as well in a few years time. since im more used to settling resulting in wall cracks and whatnot not sure what that means for log homes. jmc .
From : jeff burke
on sun 10 feb 2008 141336 +0930 jmc nogroupsspam@nojodibody.homeus wrote suddenly without warning jeff burke exclaimed 2/10/2008 1202 pm on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these if its a true log home it will almost never stop settling. jeff what does that mean in practical terms were thinking of building a log home as well in a few years time. since im more used to settling resulting in wall cracks and whatnot not sure what that means for log homes. it means refitting windows and doors and repairing the chinking. most of the log home web sites will tell you the truth about this you can avoid it by building a faux log home conventional construction with a log face. a good resource http//www.loghomesnetzine.com/emailbag.html .
From : jmc
http//www.daimlerchryslervehicleproblems.com/ mike whats the matter mike chrysler didnt pay for your engine repair that was caused by neglect glenn beasley chrysler tech .
From : roy
democrat still the idiot i see. but given the shape the economy is in being a democrat is a looking damn good. oh heres a update for ya mr. wannabe moderator. the jeep thread has now gone from jeep to concealed carry to the friggin rabbits fat ass. your job performance thus far sucks. now go play outside. rules yup you brought them up. assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself wow!! that was a good one!! you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. you should by now know wtf ot means in the subject. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you idiot you are the one again who was talking about rules. if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see whos hierarchy yours it and you are pretty much meaningless in a non moderated ng.. breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience wow another good one!! if thats the best you can do........ please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again right after ot in the subject. other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! tell ya what idiot you will be real busy running around here. we have a jeep thread that is now a concealed carry thread. im sure you have more guidence that can be applied there. for one who wants to moderate id suggest that you learn not to top post. there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : beryl
abby.normal wrote there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss here you go http//www.netmeister.org//learn2quote2.html#ss2.3 because thats the standard. why should i place my response below the quoted text .
From : tbone
tbone wrote what it means is that these type of homes are constantly moving. the logs expand and contract with changes in temp and especially humidity. not if the logs are properly prepared. you are kidding right do you have a log home by chance at one time yes i did vacation cabin which needed work when i first got it and i helped 2 of my friends in nj who own and live in log homes. all homes settle over the years. some construction types are more tolerable than others. the biggest factors are the soil its built on and the style of foundation constructed. the foundation is important to any structure but a true log cabin is a very different animal from stick built construction. even if the foundation is perfect and sitting directly on bedrock if the logs are second rate or not fitted properly you will have a life of hell with the structure. that is not so much the case with stick built and yes i do construction work as a side business. with log homes it is the chinking that can give you trouble as well as any windows and even doors. thats true but generally a sign of improper poor construction techniques. it could be improper construction low quality wood radical humidity and temp changes. log cabins do not react to weather changes the same way as a stick or brick structure does. there are numerous ways to allow for expansion and contraction in window and door frames. really name 4. of course there are ways or they would not have them but they are not always simple to do and results vary. the point was and is that these are things that have to be taken into account with a true log structure that can for the most part be somewhat ignored with a stick built structure. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : miles
tbone wrote the logs are properly prepared. you are kidding right you think you just cut down a tree and debark it and put it to use ya they used to do that eons ago and i suppose some do but not quality construction. that is not so much the case with stick built and yes i do construction work as a side business. not necessarily so. improper construction whether logs or sticks will lead to massive settling problems. theres a right and wrong way no matter what you use. side business my folks and brother is in the construction business. i worked it for many years. whoopee. that can for the most part be somewhat ignored with a stick built structure. bull. ignoring proper construction techniques in a stick home will lead to stuck or leaking windows and doors or even worse. all construction has a right and a wrong way to do it. a log cabin can be built trouble free that will last a lifetime. yes it takes a skilled builder but thats true with any construction. there are different obstacles to overcome. .
From : tbone
tbone wrote the logs are properly prepared. you are kidding right you think you just cut down a tree and debark it and put it to use ya they used to do that eons ago and i suppose some do but not quality construction. lol there is more to it than that. quality construction or not wood is hydroscopic and will expand and contract due to humidity and temp changes. while the 2x4s and 2x6s used in stick built construction also react to humidity they are not stacked on top of each other and the 1/32 or so of an inch that they can possibly widen by have no cumulative effect. log structures otoh have many logs piled on top of each other that are much thicker than a 2x4 will expand wider and the expansion is cumulative. the wall height in a log cabin can change height by up to and more than an inch depending on log thickness and wall height and that simply doesnt happen with stick built or half log construction. that is not so much the case with stick built and yes i do construction work as a side business. not necessarily so. improper construction whether logs or sticks will lead to massive settling problems. sorry miles but there is much more to it than settling problems and log structures have significantly more settling in their first two years than stich builts do. theres a right and wrong way no matter what you use. that is true but small errors in log construction tend to lead to bigger problems. side business my folks and brother is in the construction business. i worked it for many years. whoopee. yes miles your family lives everywhere and does everything. we have heard it all before and i dont know what you did working in the business but with what you say i doubt it had anything to do with actual building. btw do you own a log structure that can for the most part be somewhat ignored with a stick built structure. bull. ignoring proper construction techniques in a stick home will lead to stuck or leaking windows and doors or even worse. it can but in many cases it doesnt. in stick built minor screwups are usually not even noticed and sometimes even major ones show no signs of something wrong for years if ever. log structures otoh tend to develope issues from screwups or second rate materials fairly quickly and in many cases are not all to easy to repair afterward. all construction has a right and a wrong way to do it. no shit sherlock! a log cabin can be built trouble free that will last a lifetime. that depends on what you mean by trouble free and how long it will last depends on much more than its construction. .
From : beekeep
its because people that buy dodge trucks have superior inteligence and knowledge on all subjects. beekeep on sun 10 feb 2008 022511 -0800 john corliss jcorliss@fake.invalid wrote carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss .
From : bob m
abby.normal wrote there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss oh boo hoo. now pick up your balls and leave the playground. net nanny wantabe. bob .
From : abby normal
rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : roy
rules yup you brought them up. assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself wow!! that was a good one!! you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. you should by now know wtf ot means in the subject. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you idiot you are the one again who was talking about rules. if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see whos hierarchy yours it and you are pretty much meaningless in a non moderated ng.. breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience wow another good one!! if thats the best you can do........ please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again right after ot in the subject. other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! tell ya what idiot you will be real busy running around here. we have a jeep thread that is now a concealed carry thread. im sure you have more guidence that can be applied there. for one who wants to moderate id suggest that you learn not to top post. there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : miles
tbone wrote wall height in a log cabin can change height by up to and more than an inch depending on log thickness and wall height and that simply doesnt happen with stick built or half log construction. nobody is arguing that issue so why are you my point tbone is that log homes can be built with proper techniques and last a lifetime without trouble. sorry miles but there is much more to it than settling problems and log structures have significantly more settling in their first two years than stich builts do. never said otherwise. what the heck is your argument anyways or is it just to argue with proper construction a log home will last a lifetime or more without any problems. you make it sound like its impossible to build such a log home. good grief! yes miles your family lives everywhere and does everything. we have heard it all before and i dont know what you did working in the business but with what you say i doubt it had anything to do with actual building. btw do you own a log structure yes and we know youre an expert on everything!! geez tbone youll argue any topic any time. and yes i do own a log structure. theyre very popular in the mountains of northern az. .
From : mac davisjmc
on tue 12 feb 2008 140135 +0000 christopher d. thompson nospam@nospam.nospam wrote they also seem to have some sort of shock absorber system that is disabled by bolts through the back when they are new. if you leave the bolts in and put a load of clothes in itll take off like a pissed off bull ask me how i know! after removing the bolts and sliding mine back into its slot we have not had it move an inch no matter what we loaded in it. my guess is that theyre shipping bolts and that taking them out enables the shock absorbers or whatever.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : jmc
suddenly without warning abby.normal exclaimed 2/12/2008 945 am rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other netnanny drivel deleted so what part of unmoderated do you not understand theres no rules in this group. nobody is the moderator theres no faq to lay down the rules. random nannies cannot elect themselves as group moderator. now please go away so we can go back to discussing the log homes we will park our dodge trucks next to. sheesh. jmc .
From : abby normal
your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. who in hell do you really think you are you must really feel significant. you must be from biserkly or france to think like that. its just simple arrogant stupidity and nothing more. it has become apparent that ot is much to simplistic for your mediocre mind to grasp on to. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : abby normal
and suddenly without notice you spamming turds have turned yet another feed into a shit hole. damn french suddenly without warning abby.normal exclaimed 2/12/2008 203 pm democrat troll. .
From : greg o
as your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. you must be new around these parts arent ya boy! if you had been on this group for a while you would see that the regulars talk about anything and everything and once in a while the disscussion wanders a bit and they talk about dodge trucks. greg .
From : greg o
carolina watercraft works wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these just out of curiosity why did you post such a question to this group dont you think groups like alt.building.construction or alt.construction or alt.housing might be better able to answer your question this group is for the discussion of dodge trucks not log cabins so im wondering why you asked your question here. -- john corliss john trying to moderate this group would be like trying to moderate rmh! pretty much anything goes over here too. if it were not for the ot posts this group would be allot like a victory group some of us are familiar with. greg or over there -- poorub 05 ultra classic .
From : roy
and suddenly without notice you spamming turds have turned yet another feed into a shit hole. damn french the only shit hole around here is the one you talk with. suddenly without warning abby.normal exclaimed 2/12/2008 203 pm democrat troll. .
From : roy
as your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. a dick head is what probably is in your mouth i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. who in hell do you really think you are wtf do you think you are you must really feel significant. he must be significant as he recieved some answers. you on the other hand are a insignificant pos who is sadly mistaken if you actually believe that you will change things here. now run along its just simple arrogant stupidity and nothing more. yup thats what you have demonstrated. it has become apparent that ot is much to simplistic for your mediocre mind to grasp on to. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : denny
as your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. a dick head is what probably is in your mouth i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. who in hell do you really think you are wtf do you think you are you must really feel significant. he must be significant as he recieved some answers. you on the other hand are a insignificant pos who is sadly mistaken if you actually believe that you will change things here. now run along its just simple arrogant stupidity and nothing more. yup thats what you have demonstrated. sic-em roy..... gbmfg denny .
From : jmc
suddenly without warning roy exclaimed 2/13/2008 935 am as your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. a dick head is what probably is in your mouth i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. who in hell do you really think you are wtf do you think you are you must really feel significant. he must be significant as he recieved some answers. you on the other hand are a insignificant pos who is sadly mistaken if you actually believe that you will change things here. now run along its just simple arrogant stupidity and nothing more. yup thats what you have demonstrated. ok roy thats enough. please stop feeding the troll unless youre enjoying this. then flame on!. its obvious thats what this is. and now hes got you all riled up. yea i was too but now i can ignore with equanimity. if it wasnt so entertaining itd be in my killfile already. jmc .
From : mac davis
on wed 13 feb 2008 065920 -0500 roy roy@fhome.net wrote not riled up at all jodi just playing proctologist. but your right and he is becoming tiresome. a little more education and a couple of inches and you could have been an ob/gyn... mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : tboneroy
my 2001 dakota short bed short cab 5 speed got a solid 21mpg not matter how hard i drove it. what kind of mileage are you guys getting in the city with the 3.9 in a 2001 dakota i filled the tank and got 149 miles before it was ready to be fueled againunless the fuel light comes on when there are still 5 gallons left. with a 20 gal tank this is awfulabout 7 miles per galloni find that very hard to believe. anyone have any ideas .
From : carolina watercraft works
on tue 12 feb 2008 201827 -0700 nathan w. collier no@way.com wrote the kids can have a good time with the rifles but dont need a handgun.. every adult needs a handgun sir. nothing personal nate but ive never needed one as a civilian.. otoh i think that only folks that know that they will kill someone should carry... the time to show a bad guy the gun is right after youve blown him away.. i think that too many people get a false sense of security from having a gun and they end up not using it when they need to.. im a big believer in shotguns for home protection though.. gun control is hitting what youre aiming at before it hits you mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mac davis
on tue 12 feb 2008 212259 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote the poor in mexico arent much worse and sometimes better than the poor here. its quite common to see a ramble shack of a home with dirt floor and a sheet for a doorway. outside is parked a brand new truck. different priorities there. yep.. you know miles ive spent some time in those houses and its amazing how happy and unstressed they are.. maybe we could all learn something from that.. i have a friend that lives in what youd have to call a shack... his 3 kids sleep in an old rv.. but hes added ac tv etc. to the rv and the kids are happy and doing well in school.. oh.. like you say his work truck is nicer than any of my trucks.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : roy
lol....you obviously are a micro-cephalic with a cranial rectal inversion -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels as your brain cell has to do with intelligence - not even the same planet. a damn log cabin what a dick head. i mean how stupid have you got to be to just select any feed at random put in the subject line ot and proceed. who in hell do you really think you are you must really feel significant. you must be from biserkly or france to think like that. its just simple arrogant stupidity and nothing more. it has become apparent that ot is much to simplistic for your mediocre mind to grasp on to. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : abby normal
democrat rules yup you brought them up. assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself wow!! that was a good one!! you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. you should by now know wtf ot means in the subject. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you idiot you are the one again who was talking about rules. if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see whos hierarchy yours it and you are pretty much meaningless in a non moderated ng.. breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience wow another good one!! if thats
From : carolina watercraft works
it has become apparent that ot is much to simplistic for your mediocre mind to grasp on to. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels rules assuming you can read which is a big assumption in itself you should be able to tell by the simple name of the group alone. on the other hand if you are a worshiper of that idiot that lived in the tree at berkley for over a year to protest something just about insignificant as your quest for rules then none of the following will apply to you if you look at the hierarchy you will see and again im going to step off a little here and assume you can see breaks down as follows alt.autos alt.autos.dodge now without getting too much more technical i would want to be responsible for frying anyones brain cell - they could cease to function in our society and i wouldnt want that on my conscience please enlighten me on exactly wherein the above hierarchy lies the word or words log homes again other than the detailed explanation above the rules should be obvious. discussion on dodge trucks - and try to keep it clean. duh!!! there are some that do not have to comply with common rules so they get to do whatever the hell they want whenever the hell they want and wherever the hell they want. dont try to make sense of it and youll be fine. you too can join in and help assimilate chaos and confusion brought on by those that assume they are better than the rest. care to show us the rules for this group .
From : jmc
suddenly without warning abby.normal exclaimed 2/12/2008 203 pm democrat troll. .
From : picasso
jmc wrote suddenly without warning jeff burke exclaimed 2/10/2008 1202 pm on sat 9 feb 2008 182753 -0500 carolina watercraft works cooltoys@bellsouth.net wrote my parents are wanting to build themselves a log home and have asked me to see what i could find out with regards to maintenance/upkeep and the such compared to a traditional built home. so...anyone here know anything about these if its a true log home it will almost never stop settling. jeff what does that mean in practical terms were thinking of building a log home as well in a few years time. since im more used to settling resulting in wall cracks and whatnot not sure what that means for log homes. jmc constant adjusting windows. i was thinking of building a log home too then after looking at a few and talking to customers from a paticular kit mfg. local shop i didnt want hte headaches. the first 3 years are the worst .
From : picasso
lisa bb. wrote beryl flyingterrapin@chillybits.org wrote in my ge toploader sometimes walks around a little bit then i have to shove it back into the corner. frontloading models appear to be the trend nowadays. all the high-end machines in best buys ads are that type. those things must have a spin cycle right how the hell do they stay balanced it seems like as soon as they start to spin up with the wet load sitting at the bottom of the drum theyll be bouncing all over the room. i was watching a friends house while she was on vacation. i used her washer a number of times front loader. never had any off balance problems with it. a dryer spins... and a traditional horizontal mounted drum washer spins... its usually my traditional washer that does all the walking around... not the dryer... .