OT -- Looking to upgrade Computer

From : chris thompson

Q: in response to craig c. s post. i thought everyone should know chris thompson wrote anyone with experience with this brand or particular board will i be disappointed in the reliability of this board after having 0 trouble out of my msi for 4 or 6 years i forget when exactly i built this system http//www.apple.com/macpro/ - craig c. *caugh* who said anything about osx besides ive got a purdy case i wanna use cant let the wife have all the cool stuff ya know -- chris .

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From : chris thompson

on wed 5 sep 2007 084051 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote heading back to ma with a 3 day stop @ myrtle beach. you folks try to play nice. will be shutting fl addy down so you folks will have to use the comcast addy to email me. while im gone please be gentle with the friggin rabbit. he has become more sensitive to cheap shots of late. roy have a safe trip roy. .

From : miles

heading back to ma with a 3 day stop @ myrtle beach. you folks try to play nice. will be shutting fl addy down so you folks will have to use the comcast addy to email me. while im gone please be gentle with the friggin rabbit. he has become more sensitive to cheap shots of late. roy .

From : craig c

on sep 4 606 pm craig c. mcraig...@sbcglobal.net wrote azwiley1 wrote cant count. bg thats just about enough from you chevy guy. craig c. ppppppppttttttttttttt 200k on the ode and still running bow-tie strong damn dodge lasted 80k and had to be traded in! .

From : miles

chris thompson wrote personally its debian or a debian derivative kubuntu. and yes i would put a debian etch server install against solaris any day of the week. the 2.6.x kernel is extreemly stable and reliable. as long as you arent head of the i/t group at any of the financial institutions i use more power to ya. craig c. .

From : craig c

miles wrote actually it was first available with the blue g3 as well as on others with the use of an add-on card. nice try but false. scsi was the only add-on available. please stop lying so i can stop posting. - craig c. .

From : miles

beryl wrote what do they skimp on for the asrock brand features parts quality workmanship you miss the point. pc-chips sell the identical boards under several different brand names. many boards you may purchase do not say abit or pc-chips on them...but they are they exact same board no difference. just different box labels and marketing. .

From : azwiley1

on wed 29 aug 2007 113229 -0500 craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote look into my eyes ... you will be a mac bigot ... you will be a mac bigot. - craig c. i wish youd say apple or macintosh... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : tbone

azwiley1 wrote now that is an idea i havent heard of before. best alarm on the market ... stops em dead in their tracks. really. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

does anybody know where to buy a re44 transmission for my dodge durango 99 5.2 liter engine gasoline 4x4 . i live in sweden so the company need to export. many thanks in advance cyril cyril i thought you already had a source lined up did it fall through mike .

From : jeffrey david miller

on sep 7 927 am craig c. mcraig...@sbcglobal.net wrote azwiley1 wrote now that is an idea i havent heard of before. best alarm on the market ... stops em dead in their tracks. really. craig c. i was talking about the baby monitor part. the rest i agree with. while i dont disagree with the idea acually going ahead and doing it will get you many many years in prison. in ohio anyway you can never use deadly force in defence of property....ever... denny .

From : azwiley1

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know thanks for cursing me numbnutz! bg fuel pump died today but hell oe intank pump assembly with 200k on it. it had to die some time rotflol dude!!! too funny honestly im surprised the fuel pump made it that long. -- chris .

From : miles

======== ======== bigironram n...@home.com wrote i never even heard of a diagnostic fee until well after i got out of the business. ======= ======= well...its a fact....that i know for sure that diagnostic fees have been being charged since at least the mid 70s. so....if it was well after you got out of the buisness... lets say 10 years that would put you rite at ....mmmmmm....... 67 years old...... if you were 20 when you got outta the buisness!!! marsh sips his crownroyal.....mmm.....good stuff .

From : craig c

what is it specifically that you think you *cant* do with apple hardware that you can supposedly do with the system you originally posted about craig c. how about have a system for under a grand.....hell i could probably have more system than i would need for under $500. most the boards i would consider sell with processor included in the $100 to 150 range throw in a nvidia card for around 20 to 50 bucks i dont play games so i dont need a high end card and thats assuming the board doesnt come with nvidia graphics on it already. a nic is what 20 to 50 depending on the quality or whether it wired or not again if not already on the board....i might go with wireless if i found a card priced right remember im a cheap ass and this is gonna be on the desk where the router sits so wireless wouldnt be a have to have. ive got keyboards and monitors all over so they are 0 cost. as far as memory ddr2 is selling for roughly $40 a gig and a 500 gig hard disk can be had for the $100 to $150 range unless you just want the latest and greatest then they are round 500 - 600 but again im a cheap ass so lets see the board in question was $100 4 gig of memory to max it out would be $160 a seagate sata-300 hard disk is $120 a nvidia card no video on the board $50 bucks at walmart actually i paid $20 for the last one at wal-mart and keep my monitor case power-supply keyboard and trac-ball so thats 0 cost. for around $430 i just theoretically built a bigger system than i really need. when the link you posted shows a mac-pro im sure its a nice machine heck it better be for the price listed on the link below. http//store.apple.com/1-800-my-apple/webobjects/applestore.woa/wa/rslidnnmm=browse&mco=80177546&node=home/desktop/macpro $2499 or as low as $59 a month is what it says....sheesh! in 8 months the system i just theoretically built is paid for in full. at that rate. but the mac assuming no tax or interest gets paid off in 43 months. witch by that time we all know a computer would be out dated quite considerably it would be where my current socket a is at the moment. still usable but not near what everyone else is running at that time. sorry bud i know you love your mac. but they are way overpriced for my needs. -- chris .

From : miles

tbone wrote if ibm was a closed system as you think they would have one every lawsuit huh im the one who stated that the ibm pc was an open platform. hmm...get out of the spin cycle!! first you say that ibm is an open platform and then you say that ibm didt intend for it to be one talk about spin. what i said was that ibm designed the pc to be an open platform and the link that i provided and you deleted imagine that clearly stated exactly that. you otoh claimed that ibm built the pc as a closed platform but were too stupid to protect themselves and didnt paten anything which turned it into an open system. now where is your proof or is this just another all to typically incorrect miles fact ibm never ever built any of their early pcs with off the shelf parts. all of their boards were ibm. thats because they didnt exist yet. are you really this stupid as i said i really dont think that you are who you claim to be. what part of never did you not comprehend ibm never used any off the shelf parts. really was it not you who said that they started using hercules graphics cards. even if they used their version they didnt design it. that was your claim that they did so. re-read your own

From : tbone

once again you resort to spin and lies. i said that they designed the pc with an open architecture so that they could build their pcs from off of the shelf parts. just because it didnt happen the way ibm intended doesnt change the fact. yawn sorry miles but that would be you. tom you stated ibm used off the shelf parts. no i didnt now either stop lying or back it up. show me one such example. read above and then show me one example where i said that they did. oh wait you cant because just above you reversed yourself because they didnt exist. good grief. it really is sad to see you twist and spin like this. it was a new system so how could any parts exist for it before it existed lol!!! but even thinking this way where is your proof that every card and part in the early pcs were both designed and built by ibm like i said miles you really need to grow a spine and suck it up when you are wrong. you act far more like a pissed off 17 year old than the business owner that you claim to be and as i said i have my doubts. this discussion has become pointless and now that you have deleted just about everything lost on just about every point i see no need to waste any more time here. have a good weekend miles. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

on sep 6 816 pm geekboy g...@boy.com wrote the mexicans love to steal big trucks to haul their stash of drugs in. seems the ford f250 is the most popular. average of 600 per year are taken. ack. nothing is more frustrating than someone else taking what you worked hard for. go to walmart and get a set of baby monitors. put one inside the truck the other beside your bed. when you hear someone breaking in take your favorite weapon out and blow their head off. youll be doing yourself and everyone else a favor. craig c. .

From : joe

in response to joe s post. i thought everyone should know 216.77.188.18 @i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com on aug 30 818 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. ugh ... google groups. i wonder why they dont offer a killfile feature that means you are having to sift through the mi5victim crap. beryl budd and the mi5 wacko are in my kf for a.a.d.t. they all deserve each other. - craig c. good question one would think they would. i suppose i could populate my read with a diiferent server that i use for other downloads but i just havent bothered. http//www.penney.org/ggkiller.html use at your own risk. wow 1 post about a motherboard for a upgrade im considering and look what its turned in to. gotta love aadt and in just 55 posts at that. *grin* -- chris .

From : joe

sorry to hear that. time warner did that as well for a while and then i think that they subbed the service out to someone like giga-. the next best thing to a kill file is simply to ignore it but i know how difficult that can be at times. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on aug 30 625 am tbone tbonenos...@nc.rr.com wrote on aug 29 314 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote see i knew the transgender cunt troll would start shit as usual. well if ya continue to respond to this asshole he will continue to play with ya. ok roy ill stop responding to you! vbfg but seriously it will not matter who i ed h. or theguy reply to because the transgender troll will tag on simply because he/she/it has nothing to do anymore since snoball kicked he/she/it to the curb. that is what kill files are for larry. yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. comcast limits the amount of groups and the sizes so i havent been using their service .

From : azwiley1

@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com on aug 30 818 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. ugh ... google groups. i wonder why they dont offer a killfile feature that means you are having to sift through the mi5victim crap. beryl budd and the mi5 wacko are in my kf for a.a.d.t. they all deserve each other. - craig c. good question one would think they would. i suppose i could populate my read with a diiferent server that i use for other downloads but i just havent bothered. http//www.penney.org/ggkiller.html .

From : craig c

abby.normal wrote check your battery. when my 2002 intrepid was stolen last year from the county parking lot a donut shop is needed there to keep the local cops on the job the thieves did something to the electrical system that made the battery go dead. i think that when they got the car running they couldnt turn it completely off. we had $4800 in body/interior damage and got to keep the drugs left in the ash tray that the dallas -and- plano cops didnt want not enough for a party high. as well as the blood soaked rags from when the thieves cut themselves stealing it. - yes got pictures too. they were probably too busy running from false alarm to false alarm in your yuppie neighborhood to do any real police work. bob .

From : tbone

tbone wrote if ibm was a closed system as you think they would have one every lawsuit huh im the one who stated that the ibm pc was an open platform. hmm...get out of the spin cycle!! ibm never ever built any of their early pcs with off the shelf parts. all of their boards were ibm. thats because they didnt exist yet. are you really this stupid as i said i really dont think that you are who you claim to be. what part of never did you not comprehend ibm never used any off the shelf parts. that was your claim that they did so. re-read your own post before spinning. you will argue either direction to suit your needs! yawn sorry miles but that would be you. tom you stated ibm used off the shelf parts. show me one such example. oh wait you cant because just above you reversed yourself because they didnt exist. good grief. .

From : miles

tbone wrote lol get real miles. they were in business a long time before this and know how to protect themselves. when ibm created the pc in 1981 they entered a totally new market. not only a very different computer market in business but also the consumer market for which ibm had almost no experience in dealing with. sorry miles but you are still spinning your wheels. they knew about the business computer market and the pc was not their first attempt or even first machine that they sold in the micro-computer area and nobody copied them but even still what in the hell does that have to do with protecting themselves if ibm was a closed system as you think they would have one every lawsuit because there could be no way that anyone else could create a compatible unit to it. nobody was making legal duplicates of atari 800s apple iis trs 80s commodore c64s or amigas. do you really think that all of these new companies knew more about building computers and protecting themselves than ibm. you are really sounding like an idiot. pcs were around for years before the ibm pc xt hit the market. no open platform pc. not a one. which means what oh yea nothing as usual. which is exactly what ibm wanted and why they designed it as an open system so they could build it with off of the shelf parts such as drive controllers video modems and the like. once again miles you prove all of my points for me thanks again. where the heck do you get this stuff i look it up.. do you want some links here is one of many for you. http//www.thepcmuseum.net/timeline.phpphpsessid=167e57187a3794c2f7bc42ff321564db look at october 1981 ibm never ever built any of their early pcs with off the shelf parts. all of their boards were ibm. thats because they didnt exist yet. are you really this stupid as i said i really dont think that you are who you claim to be. they did license some others technologies in their designs but there wasnt a single off the shelf board in an ibm pc. you just keep spinning and making shit up! yawn sorry miles but that would be you. i was talking about the company miles and i think that you knew that. were not talking about ibm as an entire company. weve been discussing ibm pcs and that market sector. now youre talking about unrelated divisions of ibm ibm failed miserably in the pc market and finally unloaded their brand name to someone else. all ibm pcs sold today are in name only. nothing about them is actually made by ibm. ibm was a huge success and the reason why so many of us own pcs instead of macs or some other closed system. the fact that ibm still exists even after the failure of their pc division is the reason for their success because companies buying them knew that they would not be sol if the attempt didnt work out well. like i said before the majority of business were waiting for a specific set of conditions to invest in micro-computers and the ibm pc met them and was hugely successful and that and the open architecture that they set it up for lead to the massive number of clones. face it miles you are wrong. be a man for a change and just suck it up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 338933 %s3ei.114398$di1.79108@fe08.phx tbone wrote and sadly even rosannadannas editorials have more business sense than you are showing. she made sense to you! so tell me all about this business of yours anyways. .

From : miles

theguy@whatever.net wrote i got it now.............you guys are practicing for point-counter point for the next edition of saturday night live right just for fun which one is dan and which of you is jane i think tom is practicing to resurrect rosannadannas editorial commentary on snl. and sadly even rosannadannas editorials have more business sense than you are showing. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : chris thompson

on sep 6 257 pm chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know thanks for cursing me numbnutz! bg fuel pump died today but hell oe intank pump assembly with 200k on it. it had to die some time rotflol dude!!! too funny honestly im surprised the fuel pump made it that long. -- chris yeah i am a little srprised too but it did. i dont run it to e unless it is an emergency so i know i am not burning it up. such is life right. if i get 200k oout of this one it should out last the rest of the truck. .

From : azwiley1

miles wrote thought you said this is my last message on the subject 2 or 3 messages ago im not posting and have not posted any further content on the subject. retard. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote cant count. bg thats just about enough from you chevy guy. craig c. .

From : miles

on sep 4 502 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote craig c. wrote admittedly your usb conspiracy theory and superior open garage built clones with sco will bring me many laughs in the future. talk about spin craig!! sheesh!! thought you said this is my last message on the subject 2 or 3 messages ago cant count. bg .

From : craig c

on sep 4 437 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote azwiley1 wrote would you two just hug and make up! bg rofl! hes as fun as tbone! funnier damn it! .

From : Annonymous

yeah yeahm everyone knows about this crap and now everyone and everybody else knows about it and these great deals are no better than at a dealer now. have you ever heard of seized auto auctions have you ever wondered if there is an alternative to purchasing your next car through a dealeror of someone getting a car at an incredible price or wondered what happens to vehicles seized by the banks police agencies or the government are you curious about what happens to pre-owned government vehicles these vehicles are sold at auction; some at on site auctions and some at seized auto auctions. buyers can get these cars for thousands less than retail and some starting at bids of $100.00. read here car http//www.zone-car.com/car-auctions.php .

From : tbone

have you ever heard of seized auto auctions have you ever wondered if there is an alternative to purchasing your next car through a dealeror of someone getting a car at an incredible price or wondered what happens to vehicles seized by the banks police agencies or the government are you curious about what happens to pre-owned government vehicles these vehicles are sold at auction; some at on site auctions and some at seized auto auctions. buyers can get these cars for thousands less than retail and some starting at bids of $100.00. read here car http//www.zone-car.com/car-auctions.php .

From : miles

putting in a larger fuse will may mask the problem but allow for the overloading of the wires in your wiring harness. that leads to just as hard a breakdown only the fix is much more complicated. and may involve a fire extinguisher. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york problem again. well they put in a 30 and within thirty minuttes of driving it blew again. i swapped a 40 in there pulled from the tow lights fuse and got back home. going to go buy some spare fuses but was wondering if anyone had a clue why it would do that and what issues i might run into if i put a bigger fuse in. fuses blow for a reason. that particular fuse powers the asd relay which in turn powers the fuel injectors im assuming a gasoline engine here and ignition coil. check the wiring harness for any damage between the power distribution center and these components. its possible one of the fuel injector solenoids is drawing too much current and causing your problem. putting in a larger fuse will may mask the problem but allow for the overloading of the wires in your wiring harness. that leads to just as hard a breakdown only the fix is much more complicated. .

From : chris thompson

my blinkers work sometime and sometime they dont. where might the blinker switch be thanks .

From : tbone

on sep 5 1205 pm beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote punkin on sep 5 227 am chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know ppppppppttttttttttttt 200k on the ode and still running bow-tie strong damn dodge lasted 80k and had to be traded in! trying not to comment on the bowtie strong......................trying trying trying....................ah the hell with it last chevy i had was like a rock didnt move much on its own p -- chris nah that was my dodge! only lasted 80k and had to be traded huh at 130k if you had regular services done you dont think you should have to rebuild or replace the engine. i had more then that on my ram when i traded it in with no problems. - show quoted text - get a fucking life cock breath and stop trying to live mine. you are nothing more than an annoying piece of shit who has absofuckinglutely no life and nothing to do other than start shit. .

From : azwiley1

punkin on sep 5 227 am chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know ppppppppttttttttttttt 200k on the ode and still running bow-tie strong damn dodge lasted 80k and had to be traded in! trying not to comment on the bowtie strong......................trying trying trying....................ah the hell with it last chevy i had was like a rock didnt move much on its own p -- chris nah that was my dodge! only lasted 80k and had to be traded huh at 130k if you had regular services done you dont think you should have to rebuild or replace the engine. i had more then that on my ram when i traded it in with no problems. .

From : azwiley1

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know on sep 5 227 am chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know ppppppppttttttttttttt 200k on the ode and still running bow-tie strong damn dodge lasted 80k and had to be traded in! trying not to comment on the bowtie strong......................trying trying trying....................ah the hell with it last chevy i had was like a rock didnt move much on its own p -- chris nah that was my dodge! to date i have never had a dodge leave me on the side of the road. i have owned 3 chevys took me a while to lear eh and been left on the road 10 times with those 3 chevys. so two mottos to remember real trucks dont wear bow ties and mopar or no car just goes to show how everyones experiences are diff. -- chris .

From : beryl

tbone wrote while it may be possible the compressor would require serious hp to spin it fast enough to accomplish it and even if you could find a motor strong enough to do it the power bill would be astronomical. i just got my bill for last months electricity... $7.85 all electric home no gas. got a well no water bill either you suck!!! - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know ppppppppttttttttttttt 200k on the ode and still running bow-tie strong damn dodge lasted 80k and had to be traded in! trying not to comment on the bowtie strong......................trying trying trying....................ah the hell with it last chevy i had was like a rock didnt move much on its own p -- chris .

From : azwiley1

tbone wrote no shit sherlock but what does that have to do with anything the fact is that while the pc and its clones were comming with an ide interface as standard the mac was using apples version of the much faster scsi. thats not entirely true at all. scsi was available on the ibm pc right from the very start. hell my first pc xt clone had a scsi drive. the point was that apple often follows rather than leads in quite a few areas. scsi was already in use in computers long before apple adopted it. prior to this apple used its own very slow proprietary drive bus. apple moved from scsi to ata due to cost and availability of the drives not to follow the pc. by follow i was referring to apple adopting others technology rather than lead the technology development. apple has created some decent hardware technology but their closed platform insistence that requires royalties kills it from being widely adopted in the industry. exactly and why do you think that is perhaps because ibm designed the pc as an open system from the start so that they could build it from off of the shelf parts. i will agree that they were short sighted but that doesnt change the facts. no they didnt want to spend the money for exclusive rights with the belief that nobody could compete with a product that had the letters ibm on it. this worked in the business market quite well for ibm. the same logic does not work as well in the consumer market. you also are ignoring ibms attempt to stop cloning by using their ill-fated proprietary mca bus. even the clones didnt exist until ibm took off in the business world. tom you need to check out the time line yourself. the ibm pc was released in 1981. columbia eagle and compaq started working on their clone design immediatly and all had clones out the following year. lol compaq was far from the only clone on the market and they were not the first either. compaq was one of 3 that were all released in 1982 1 year after ibm. yes they were one of the first. if you think that at only refers to the physical size then i have to ask you what you are smoking. no tom i dont but your statement that the ibm-at was some sort of technology leader is well...mis-leading. the clones were consistently ahead of ibm in features and capabilities. as i said ibm lagged in sound and graphics behind the clones. the fact that they were bought shows that they were on their way down the tubes. even so compaq sold more pcs over the years than ibm. while true if compaqu was doing as well as you seem to think it would not have been bought by hp. oh how do you know you think companies only sell if they are doing poorly in reality it was hp that was struggling in their pc market. compaq was doing rather well. yawn and when the ibm pc came out it was also single sourced but nobody would ever think that a massive comapny that built many different products like ibm was going to go under. it was single sourced for only one year. when the ibm pc was released compaq columbia and eagle all had already announced their upcoming release of their clones. several hardware manufactures had already announced their component lineup. as i said ibm designed the pc to be an open platform not so. ibm attempted to prevent clones with their mca bus. they also tried to sue several clone manufactures in 1982..the year after ibms release. ya tom ibm really supported the clone manufactures! .

From : craig c

tbone wrote hahahaha perhaps that is because the mac used scsi drives and if you think that ide drives can outperform scsi ...... scsi wasnt created by apple!! no shit sherlock but what does that have to do with anything the fact is that while the pc and its clones were comming with an ide interface as standard the mac was using apples version of the much faster scsi. bad analogy! lol how exactly is this an analogy it is nothing more than a fact and an answer to your question. prior to apples use of scsi they used their own sluggish parallel bus. and the pc was using the even slower mfm and rll interfaces in the beginning. that is whats called development. pcs have used scsi as well. ide was a much cheaper alternative and apple made use of it as well. they follow the industry rather than lead. lol not really. while ide was a much cheaper alternative it was cheap for a reason. with the increases in speed and capacity of the current ata drives scsi drives have moved completely to the high end and now cost around $500 and up with limited supplies while ata and sata drives are around $100 with much greater capacities. apple moved from scsi to ata due to cost and availability of the drives not to follow the pc. actually you got it wrong again. they had the choice of a different risc type processor and a different os all together that they could have bull. ibms 2nd choice was a version of cp/m. digital did not get it ready soon enough for ibms release. shortly after the pcs release they did give the option of dos or digitals extended cp/m. once again you are wrong. which is exactly what happened when they started off in the business world with their new pc. bull! ibms brand name died quickly when ibm tried to enter the consumer market. ibm had no clue how to market to consumers. they tried to do so in the same manner that worked well for the business market. you are correct but it was their success in the business market that created all fo these clones in the first place. lol why do you think that they lost miles you really need to do a little reading in the history of the pc. they lost because the held no exclusive rights to anything. exactly and why do you think that is perhaps because ibm designed the pc as an open system from the start so that they could build it from off of the shelf parts. i will agree that they were short sighted but that doesnt change the facts. compaq didnt infringe on ibms patents for instance. ibm had no consumer marketing skills and didnt realize that the consumer would opt for a clone above a pc with the letters ibm on it. you need to get with the time lines miles. in the beginning the ibm machine was designed for business use and that is where it excelled. sure they tried to push it into the home market as well bit it was not set up properly for that. even the clones didnt exist until ibm took off in the business world. get real miles. the early clones were disasters. compaq was a disaster back then good grief. lol compaq was far from the only clone on the market and they were not the first either. kicked the crap in what way they used the same cpus. clones were the first to go to 1.44 meg floppies over ibms 720k. clones were the first to offer graphics. clone were the first to offer sound cards. the list goes on and on. i think that you need to look up the ibm pc-at. you know the standard that most machines followed until the atx versions. what are you smoking tom clones had graphics and sound long before ibms pc-at/286 which originally lacked sound but did adopt the herculese graphics standard created on clones. by the term ibm pc-at ou are you referring to the at motherboard physical size if so then again ibm never kept up with the clones in technology and features. if you think that at only refers to the physical size then i have to ask you what you are smoking. did they outsell the ibm what shape is compaq in now hp bought compaq for $25 billion. thats no pocket change for a company that you seem to think didnt do so well. the fact that they were bought shows that they were on their way down the tubes. hps own line of clones didnt do very well. they wanted compaqs development team as well as larger pc market share. while true if compaqu was doing as well as you seem to think it would not have been bought by hp. that is not completely true. it is not just the number of developers but the amount of resource being used for each platform that matters and the ibm pc had the most. no they didnt. yes they did as far as business applications went and did because the machine had the ibm name on it. apple had a fairly large base as did digitals cp/m long before ibm even existed. apples had mostly game software and didital didnt have the name that ibm did. the ho

From : craig c

on sep 4 938 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote would you two just hug and make up! bg youd think id have learned from you tongue-in-cheek comments and jokes are strictly against the rules. - no hugs for pc lovers or mac lovers for that matter. craig c. hey i really did not want to know anything about miles tongue in your cheek! eeewwwwwww there goes lunch and i havent had it yet .

From : miles

miles wrote mac closed by your definition plenty of certified techs. ive never had an issue but that could be because they dont ever break ... plenty huh maybe so but that wasnt the question. my company has a few macs our marketing and website staff use. top notch support for them is not nearly as easy to find. plenty of top notch support in my area the few times i have needed them warranty work etc. maybe you should move. - netscape and ie undoubtedly safari is better at least from a developers point of view. sorry but safari is just plain horrible and buggy. no it isnt. at least not the mac version. now if you are talking about the windoze version then perhaps. it was in beta just 3 months ago. i dont know what your complaint is but i do know this there is *no* buggier browser than ie. my last project was a web based application. it worked perfectly on every browser except ie. we had to have special style sheets just for that browser. it is way behind firefox explorer or netscape in features and usability. apple released a windows compatible version of safari. its a complete failure as it is just too far behind the leaders. have you thought about a career in theater or politics your ability to bend the truth/facts to your desired argument is second to non

From : azwiley1

miles wrote once again side-stepping the facts. apple did not market firewire to the public or other potential vendors until after usb already had a foot hold. bull. apple started marketing firewire a full year prior to usb 1.1. this will be my final post on this subject. youre full of shit and here is the proof the mac g4 was the first machine available with firewire. it came out in 1999. usb 1.0 released in 1/1996. usb 1.1 released in 9/1998. this is proof that apple did not market firewire to the wider market until way after usb was the accepted interface. they didnt even put it in their own product until 1999! note usb 1.1 ports were also on the mac g4. this indicates that apple was not trying to squash usb with firewire but compliment it. as a side note firewire is superior technology to usb. firewire 400 ieee 1394a which was marketed to the wider market sometime after 1999 was capable of 393 mbit compared to usb 1.1 12 mbit. to answer usb 2.0 arrived in 4/2000 with speeds up to 480 mbit although this speed is rarely ever seen due to its inferior host-based design. firewire 800 ieee 1394b came out in 2003 with speeds of 786 mbit. still unmatched by usb. the p2p design of firewire is much more sound and its almost twice as fast. still apple does not aggressively market firewire 800 to the wider market. according to wiki the military uses firewire 800 ieee 1394b in the f22. and of course firewire 800 is available on apple products. as i stated and you failed to prove otherwise usb beat firwire to the wider market. that is the reason it is so widely accepted. not because of your closed system conspiracy theory. macs crash quite often as well. i use a multitude of computers and oss. sco unix has been the most stable. ill compare uptime with you anytime youre ready. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

fixed! problem turned out to be the ecu. even though i had previously checked it that test only checked for ground on pin 5 which was the only test i could find until another member max thanks! told me of another way to test it. the only lesson i can impart here is to make sure youre testing the right thing the right way. i know it sounds like a duh thing but overlooking something or not knowing about it can lead you to buying parts and going through trouble you dont need. thanks to everyone who had input and advice! see you on the road. rk .

From : craig c

but they do give folks solace. heartburn and crag feel empowered after periodic announcements that theyve killfiled me. i think they just feel liberated so to speak. sometimes you become more than stupid. you become.........well just very weird. sort of pathological like weird. like embarrassing weird.......although that doesnt even describe it well. sometimes you are like a bacterial thing.......i just want to wash my hands over and over to get rid of you. sort of like hannibal lector. anyway sheryl you get the idea. anyway spend enough on a good quality power supply. nothing about feelings. just reduces the bullshit posts i have to wade through. .

From : chris thompson

on sep 3 1155 am mb2020 bdozer...@aol.com wrote dies out while driving down the road but starts soon after. -- more information athttp//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html umm how many miles and has the required servicing been done you really are not giving much for anyone to help diagnos the problem. .

From : napalmheart

dies out while driving down the road but starts soon after. -- more information at http//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html .

From : Annonymous

in response to napalmheart s post. i thought everyone should know on sun 02 sep 2007 233845 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote punkin on aug 29 949 pm beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote chris thompson wrote in response to beryl s post. i thought everyone should know one its not crissy i have not had any sort of pissing match with you to date so get your shit straight. if you want to play that childish name game with someone who cares to piss back at you go right ahead but leave me out of that shit. i dont have time for it. bullshit. i dont care whether you make up nicknames for people or not subtle comments dont go unnoticed. good im glad you can notice subtle comments. still not gonna have a pissin match with you. still gonna call you crissy anyway. i think your amd/machspeed bundle is too low-end. at least the cpu is. well thanks for the input. i never heard of machspeed. neither had i thats why i asked if anyone else had any experiance with them. i hear msi and gigabyte are good brands. asus usually is good. abit was good probably still is. i disagree with miles about abit being lower end. theyre a small company that became famous for enthusiast boards. they steadily crank out new bios versions even for boards that are out of production. theyre the only brand im aware of that accepted responsibility for the widespread capacitor problem several years back and replaced affected boards free even long after the warranties were expired. maybe you should do some research than foxconn which is what dell was using and may still be did the same. we still run into an occasional board with bad caps and they are replaced no questions asked. twit i did some research. abit has so far been the only motherboard manufacturer to admit to using capacitors that were of a poor standard and eventually recalled and repaired any boards from users that did fail. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/abit sheryl your confidence in motherboard manufacturers is nice. nice but very stupid. your own quote as above pretty much says it all. abit has so far been the only motherboard manufacturer to admit..... you have shown yourself to be quite a fool in your short time on this ng sheryl. you have actually gone to incredible lengths to show yourself as a fool but then everyone has to be good at something. never the less you are really reaching beyond your normal bounds of stupidity with this post. once again you have shown how talented you are at making yourself appear as an ass clown. which is why i kill filed it months ago. sad thing with kill files are if the person gets responses you still wind up seeing it. the only person i have ever successfully kill filed was the mi5victum crap. nobody ever responds to that so its like it never shows up = otherwise kill files are junk -- chris .

From : craig c

on aug 29 314 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote see i knew the transgender cunt troll would start shit as usual. well if ya continue to respond to this asshole he will continue to play with ya. ok roy ill stop responding to you! vbfg but seriously it will not matter who i ed h. or theguy reply to because the transgender troll will tag on simply because he/she/it has nothing to do anymore since snoball kicked he/she/it to the curb. .

From : tbone

azwiley1 wrote i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. ive had many issues with abit. theyre a lower end board. luck of the draw with some good some bad. asus is one of the best. gigabyte is a decent low to mid priced board. years ago i used only tyan but they started having bios and other issues and i dumped them. i now use ecs for low end msi for mid level and supermicro or asus for high end. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. the only video cards i stay away from are ati. they are junk. their open-gl graphics support is poor so most cad programs struggle with them. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. sata is pretty darn quick and ide is fading fast. for a server i prefer scsi. not so much for the speed but rather the higher end drives with long mtbf rates are mostly scsi. .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote once again side-stepping the facts. apple did not market firewire to the public or other potential vendors until after usb already had a foot hold. bull. apple started marketing firewire a full year prior to usb 1.1. iomega zip drives are proof of that. zip drives were almost exclusively a mac peripheral for many years. what on earth are you talking about zip drives used ata scsi and parallel prior to firewire which came later. the first zip 100s were not firewire. that wasnt until the zip 250. i dont believe so. at least they arent on the list of contributers that i read. sorry but intel most certainly did fund in part the development of firewire ieee-1394 and bailed on them because of their insistence on royalties. from wikipedias history of firewire the fallout from charging us$1 per firewire port was significant particularly from intel. intel had sunk a great deal of effort into the standard with the improved 1394a-2000 standard being partially based on work contributed by intel. a group within intel used this as a reason to drop 1394 support and bring out the improved usb 2.0 instead id like to see more than just your word on this. i have a feeling this is a miles fact. i just posted above somebody elses words to that effect but im sure youll still try to spin it. i see more macs being used now to write java code borland jbuilder in many shops than the pc version. you see hmm....a craig fact huh well you did say that an open platform is superior. superior is superior. i dont know what your idea of a good machine is but to me its one that your dont have to reboot constantly or pull it apart for any reason other than to upgrade it. thats an issue with software rather than hardware. sco unix is rock solid the very same platform that windoze runs on. software should work without hacking on the os. updates to the os shouldnt break existing software or cause a headache to install. macs crash quite often as well. i use a multitude of computers and oss. sco unix has been the most stable. .

From : miles

miles wrote once again side-stepping the facts. apple did not market firewire to the public or other potential vendors until after usb already had a foot hold. bull. apple started marketing firewire a full year prior to usb 1.1. re-read the sentence einstein. when the technology was produced is not in question. when it was marketed is. iomega zip drives are proof of that. zip drives were almost exclusively a mac peripheral for many years. what on earth are you talking about zip drives used ata scsi and parallel prior to firewire which came later. the first zip 100s were not firewire. that wasnt until the zip 250. the point was that iomega despite the fact that they were almost exclusively a mac peripheral maker for many years was never pushed or even approached to produce a firewire interface until way after usb had already taken a grip on the market. as i said and you cant prove otherwise apple did not market firewire aggressively enough to squash usb. personally i dont think it was ever their intention to push out usb. why else would they not market the technology sooner to the wider market i.e. markets that were not apple based from wikipedias history of firewire oh its from wiki it must be true. you may be right i just had never read that from any *reliable* source. id like to see more than just your word on this. i have a feeling this is a miles fact. i just posted above somebody elses words to that effect but im sure youll still try to spin it. nope no spin. since you posted a wiki link i have been transformed and made to see the light. i see more macs being used now to write java code borland jbuilder in many shops than the pc version. you see hmm....a craig fact huh thats what *i* said *i* see. perhaps the companies i have worked with/for are just anomalies. apples market share is increasing and it isnt just educational and graphic artists driving the sales. you cannot answer the question no surprise as to why. i simply gave an example of what i had seen and all you can come back with is weak comments. if your argument about 100% open systems being superior held any water whatsoever there would be a decline in mac sales as well as other vendors like microsoft windows. linux/sco will not take over the windows market despite the decade old prediction. it cant even hold down a newcomer ... mac os x. its one that your dont have to reboot constantly or pull it apart for any reason other than to upgrade it. thats an issue with software rather than hardware. not always. moving to the lastest service pack on windoze is scary to the vast majority of enterprise i/t departments. they take a wait and see approach. i cant imagine that the few companies running 100% open systems are any different. in fact i would gamble that the pucker factor is even more intense when upgrading a version of linux or in your case sco. macs crash quite often as well. os9 pre-unix yes. os x nah. your being a stubborn ass. your full of it and cant prove this accusation at all. my own experience and my companies is nothing of the sort. btw thanks for answering the questions i posed about red hat and sco. afraid your going to backed into a corner by your own definition oss. sco unix has been the most stable. a miles fact if its so great and stable why isnt there a larger pool of people/companies using it how come sunos/solaris continues to dominate the unix market for enterprise level computing craig c. .

From : craig c

friend has a 88 dakota v6 auto 165k 4x4 -- nice truck. recently started setting code 13 only. today - replaced map sensor and no improvement. checked for vacumn leaks and replaced a couple of hoses... treated intake with seafoam cleared codes it runs rough at idle dies ac works but doesnt miss etc. ran about 2 minutes and set codes. other suggestions are pcm anyone have any help and great ideas on this replaced all vacumn lines! thank you -- more information at http//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html .

From : miles

in response to miles s post. i thought everyone should know craig c. wrote are you telling me that some machine you throw together with spare parts from your garage newegg.com and your local electronics store with one of the many flavors of non-commercial open linux is superior to a sun server running solaris or a mac quad core xeon running mac os x server i prefer sco unix myself. i dont care much for osx. to answer your question yes one could build a superior quality computer on their own if they know what they are doing. but you missed a point i made earlier. buy the software you want and then find a computer that can run it....not the other way around where a person buys the computer and then tries to find the applications that can run on it. personally its debian or a debian derivative kubuntu. and yes i would put a debian etch server install against solaris any day of the week. the 2.6.x kernel is extreemly stable and reliable. -- chris .

From : miles

craig c. wrote admittedly your usb conspiracy theory and superior open garage built clones with sco will bring me many laughs in the future. talk about spin craig!! sheesh!! thought you said this is my last message on the subject 2 or 3 messages ago .

From : miles

miles wrote azwiley1 wrote would you two just hug and make up! bg rofl! hes as fun as tbone! its those pesky facts miles. theres just no substitute for them despite the spin you put on things. admittedly your usb conspiracy theory and superior open garage built clones with sco will bring me many laughs in the future. i dont laugh enough. so i guess i owe you a thanks. craig c. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote this will be my final post on this subject. youre full of shit and here is the proof ah darn. the mac g4 was the first machine available with firewire. it came out in 1999. usb 1.0 released in 1/1996. usb 1.1 released in 9/1998. actually it was first available with the blue g3 as well as on others with the use of an add-on card. .

From : azwiley1

in response to shipfion2002@hotmail.com s post. i thought everyone should know html head meta name=generator content=microsoft dhtml editing control title/title /head bodya href=mailtoshipfion2002@hotmail.comshipfion2002@hotmail.com/a /body /html failed........ reason dhtml in a text group -- chris .

From : craig c

hey man how you living down there any of the hurricane getting you .

From : azwiley1

on sep 4 1159 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote hey i really did not want to know anything about miles tongue in your cheek! eeewwwwwww there goes lunch and i havent had it yet dude. thats just nasty. - craig c. yeah your right it is. so whyd you do it ;^p .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote hey i really did not want to know anything about miles tongue in your cheek! eeewwwwwww there goes lunch and i havent had it yet dude. thats just nasty. - craig c. .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote would you two just hug and make up! bg youd think id have learned from you tongue-in-cheek comments and jokes are strictly against the rules. - no hugs for pc lovers or mac lovers for that matter. craig c. .

From : napalmheart

is not a failure to anyone except you. to everyone else its new and bugs are part of the experience. oh really now then firewire should have beat out usb. usb 1.0 was released in 1996. few 1.0 devices ever made it to the general public. usb 1.1 which was widely adopted wasnt released until 1998. that is the first version of usb that was widely available. apple completed development of firewire in 1995. apple trademarked firewire in 1993. once again side-stepping the facts. apple did not market firewire to the public or other potential vendors until after usb already had a foot hold. iomega zip drives are proof of that. zip drives were almost exclusively a mac peripheral for many years. apple never bothered to aggressively pursue marketing firwire until it was too late. furthermore intel was one of the funders of apples firewire. i dont believe so. at least they arent on the list of contributers that i read. apples insistance on charging a royalty for every firewire port caused intel to dump their support and switch their efforts towards usb 2.0. id like to see more than just your word on this. i have a feeling this is a miles fact. dramatic while it is true that in recent years macs market share has grown to top 5% up from 2% 6 years ago. problem is that 12 years ago apple enjoyed a 10% share. there are some reports showing a higher market share gain but they are very specific in defining just what market rather than a more generalized. id like to see a mac os8 through osx vs. windows 98 through vista market share comparison. okay but you still did not answer the question. if 100% open hardware and software is superior why the surge in mac sales *among technical sorts* developers engineers i see more macs being used now to write java code borland jbuilder in many shops than the pc version. enterprise level software runs on enterprise level machines like sun and even some dell/windows 2003 servers. oracle db oracle financials peoplesoft jde etc. we started out talking about typical pcs vs. macs and now youre talking about totally different specialized markets. well you did say that an open platform is superior. superior is superior. i dont know what your idea of a good machine is but to me its one that your dont have to reboot constantly or pull it apart for any reason other than to upgrade it. software should work without hacking on the os. updates to the os shouldnt break existing software or cause a headache to install. you still didnt answer the question is red hat linux a closed system by your definition how about sco craig c. .

From : beryl

craig c. wrote name a close platform pc that has more expertise available that traditional pcs mac closed by your definition plenty of certified techs. ive never had an issue but that could be because they dont ever break ... plenty huh maybe so but that wasnt the question. my company has a few macs our marketing and website staff use. top notch support for them is not nearly as easy to find. netscape and ie undoubtedly safari is better at least from a developers point of view. sorry but safari is just plain horrible and buggy. it is way behind firefox explorer or netscape in features and usability. apple released a windows compatible version of safari. its a complete failure as it is just too far behind the leaders. again i dont agree that royalties had anything to do with it. first to market usually becomes the standard. usb and firewire are no different. oh really now then firewire should have beat out usb. usb 1.0 was released in 1996. few 1.0 devices ever made it to the general public. usb 1.1 which was widely adopted wasnt released until 1998. that is the first version of usb that was widely available. apple completed development of firewire in 1995. apple trademarked firewire in 1993. furthermore intel was one of the funders of apples firewire. apples insistance on charging a royalty for every firewire port caused intel to dump their support and switch their efforts towards usb 2.0. there is some truth to what youre saying. however how do you explain the dramatic increase in market share of the mac over the past 5 years dramatic while it is true that in recent years macs market share has grown to top 5% up from 2% 6 years ago. problem is that 12 years ago apple enjoyed a 10% share. there are some reports showing a higher market share gain but they are very specific in defining just what market rather than a more generalized. id like to see a mac os8 through osx vs. windows 98 through vista market share comparison. enterprise level software runs on enterprise level machines like sun and even some dell/windows 2003 servers. oracle db oracle financials peoplesoft jde etc. we started out talking about typical pcs vs. macs and now youre talking about totally different specialized markets. even still one isnt limited to just one hardware vendor for a particular application. .

From : chris thompson

chris thompson wrote in response to napalmheart s post. i thought everyone should know on sun 02 sep 2007 233845 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net punkin on aug 29 949 pm beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote theyre the only brand im aware of that accepted responsibility for the widespread capacitor problem several years back and replaced affected boards free even long after the warranties were expired. maybe you should do some research than foxconn which is what dell was using and may still be did the same. we still run into an occasional board with bad caps and they are replaced no questions asked. twit i did some research. abit has so far been the only motherboard manufacturer to admit to using capacitors that were of a poor standard and eventually recalled and repaired any boards from users that did fail. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/abit sheryl your confidence in motherboard manufacturers is nice. nice but very stupid. your own quote as above pretty much says it all. abit has so far yes so far. and at an early time. are you expecting more been the only motherboard manufacturer to admit..... yes to admit. a policy announcement. forthcoming. you have shown yourself to be quite a fool in your short time on this ng sheryl. you have actually gone to incredible lengths to show yourself as a fool but then everyone has to be good at something. never the less you are really reaching beyond your normal bounds of stupidity with this post. once again you have shown how talented you are at making yourself appear as an ass clown. which is why i kill filed it months ago. sad thing with kill files are if the person gets responses you still wind up seeing it. the only person i have ever successfully kill filed was the mi5victum crap. nobody ever responds to that so its like it never shows up = otherwise kill files are junk but they do give folks solace. heartburn and crag feel empowered after periodic announcements that theyve killfiled me. anyway spend enough on a good quality power supply. .

From : chris thompson

chris thompson wrote how about have a system for under a grand.....hell i could probably have more system than i would need for under $500. well you never said at least i dont remember that money was a major factor. apple is proud of their product. its just like a car/truck if you have the skills to rebuild and maintain a clunker into a viable vehicle you will always come out further ahead than buying one off the showroom floor. i have a 1.8 ghz 1 gig ram 256 mb nvidia ibm think station that has spent less than 10 hours powered up. id be happy to help a fellow student out if youre interested. sorry bud i know you love your mac. but they are way overpriced for my needs. no argument there. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

on aug 29 425 pm napalmheart olson...@iserv.net wrote on aug 29 940 am mac davis mac.splint...@bajadavis.com wrote on tue 28 aug 2007 152440 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote roy wrote there was a thread around a bit ago that had to do with home a/c what was the outcome who makes the best and most energy efficient trying to be of the game when this unit fails. roy would you please stop stirring the pot - you are correct i apologize. when it comes to pot it should be smoked not stirred. vbg craig c. unless youre making brownies... mac please remove splinters before emailing- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm brownies! blahhhhhhhhhhh random testing!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - lol .

From : beryl

miles wrote you didnt answer the question. by your definition of a closed system is red hat linux closed your analogy makes no sense! were talking about a closed hardware platform and you try to compare it to software forget the analogy and answer the question. is red hat linux a closed system by your definition its an easy question dont make it so difficult. depends. in a enterprise environment say a financial institution your open platform is crazy. since nobody owns the technology there is no accountability and scarce expertise when goes belly up. scarce expertise theres far more expertise available for an open platform. wrong. im not talking about soda breathed punks that have a standing woody over getting linux to run on there thrown together pc. im talking about enterprise expertise that gets called when the shit hits the fan. 24/7/365 trained support techs. name a close platform pc that has more expertise available that traditional pcs mac closed by your definition plenty of certified techs. ive never had an issue but that could be because they dont ever break ... although i havent written code on a sun desktop machine sparc in quite some time the expertise provided by sun was outstanding. ibm s/36 and as/400 use to have quite a large pool of expertise as well although i believe that is all but gone. i agree. but this should practiced in a development environment. a hacked and modd os in a commercial environment is suicide. os9 and osx have their issues as well. mainly lack of innovation. take web browsers for instance. you think safari is superior to firefox or netscape or heck even internet explorer netscape and ie undoubtedly safari is better at least from a developers point of view. firefox is a bit ahead of safari id say. but it has also been under development three times longer. i use firefox and camino. i dont agree. it failed because usb beat firewire to the wider market. there were already hundreds of usb devices being sold by the time apple started marketing the benefits of firewire. firewire didnt stand a chance since it required royalties to be paid. again i dont agree that royalties had anything to do with it. first to market usually becomes the standard. usb and firewire are no different. others. but they all failed when they had to compete against a platform that could be produced by anyone rather than sole sourced. there is some truth to what youre saying. however how do you explain the dramatic increase in market share of the mac over the past 5 years i prefer sco unix myself. i dont care much for osx. to answer your question yes one could build a superior quality computer on their own if they know what they are doing. as i mentioned to chris as long as you arent anywhere near my money with that viewpoint more power to ya. but you missed a point i made earlier. buy the software you want and then find a computer that can run it....not the other way around where a person buys the computer and then tries to find the applications that can run on it. enterprise level software runs on enterprise level machines like sun and even some dell/windows 2003 servers. oracle db oracle financials peoplesoft jde etc. oh sure youll find some brave souls running linux blades here and there but very very few of the big boys choose open non commercial linux and pc clones to run their mission critical applications. in fact i dont know of any. including the i/t company i work for which does a very large percentage of the worlds bank and financial processing. craig c. . 222 338858 3c91032827e734c5c5a959f852eaddec@localhost.talkaboutautos.com just received my yellow ram cc sport 4x4 added daytona wing and will add front air dam tonneau cover spring assist shocks - rear bed and hood strips are done along with a rear window business graphic and tinted front side windows and replaced mirrors with factory tow mirrors- but 1 anyone have a set of new take off black nerfs or running boards 2 looking at gerloc ab exhaust any experience with this dual exhuast 3 need to find instructions to make foglamps work on low beam like the 05 daytona i also have... 4 love to lower front 2-3 - and now that radious arm setup is finally gone... any ideas except spindle kits. 5 got 15.5 on the first tank of gas. 6 20 raised letter tires are nice hope they last better than the daytonas goodyears i need to buy quart of the detonator yellow dealer said he cant get it or sell it ideas more to come thanks for all your help. dudlee brennfoerder www.batteriesareus.com home of the 16 volt racing battery -- more information at http//www.talkaboutautos.com/faq.html .

From : azwiley1

simply put depend on load on engine any engine be it gas or diesel preoduces the most amout of work for fuel consumed when it is operating at or near its torque peak. a fair assumption. this peak is where engine reaches its peak vi volumetric efficency and is its most efficent under load. that would be ve not vi and the point of best ve isnt necessarily the torque peak. the varible here is the amount of load wrong. the amount of load has nothing to do with the ve of the engine. because you do not want to load it to point of lugging and in which case a higher rpm with a reduced throttle setting will produce better mpg. true. even still you want to keep rpm below 2300 if max mpg is your goal. that engine does its brest work at that rpm an below for amount of fuel consumed. true. sure it can rev a bit higher but efficency goes out the window as rpm climbs as big cylinder bore long stroke diesel engines number of cyclinders vs total displacemen do best at lower rpms. true but wind resistance of the vehicle plaays a bigger part assuming operation in top gear at highway speeds. -- max everyone is entitled to his own opinion he is not entitled to his own facts. sen. daniel patrick moynihan of new york .

From : beryl

in response to nosey s post. i thought everyone should know amt tech wrote does anyone know what the optimal speed is to obtain the best fuel eceonomy with the 2001 dodge ram 2500 4x4 diesel cummins 5.9 i have had many discussions with people who tell me one speed and others who tell me another. my truck has a 5 speed tranny. i am aware of the fact that diesels do not like higher rpms.... thoughts anyone the cummins powerspec program says the isbs best cruise engine speed for mileage is from 2100 to 2400 rpm for vehicles 10000 gvw and under. i believe thats true if your loaded or towing heavy but ive found the best fuel mileage at 2000 rpm or below when empty. powerspec report 1.select a gearing combination that will result in an engine speed of between 2100-2400 rpm at the vehicles intended cruise speed mph. 2.for maximum fuel economy or for vehicles operating 65 mph or faster select a gearing combination that will result in an engine speed of approximately 2150 rpm at 65 mph checkpoint. 3.gearing combinations that produce an engine speed less than 1900 rpm at the vehicles intended cruise speed mph should be avoided. 4.note isb is not intended for weight over 50000 lbs. engine isb application recreational vehicle gearing recommendation type line haul typical gross vehicle weight gvw under 10000 lbs. percent time operating off-road or on soft surfaces 10% percent time spent operating on interstate highways 90 - 50% intended cruise speed 70 mph gearing desired fuel economy the powerspec program that calculates optimum gearing based on information supplied initially by the user. any variation between this input data and the actual operation could affect the accuracy of the results and make comparisons with actual operating experience questionable. powerspec does not have the capability of making distinctions in resistance forces and factors affecting energy requirements such as; air resistance due to frontal area or aerodynamic drag coefficient. rolling resistance due to tire construction bias radial low profile radial etc.. air resistance increases due to winds and rain or snow. rolling resistance increases due to cold and rain or snow or due to different pavement types and condition. drivetrain and accessory loss increases due to cold weather. increased fuel consumption due to use of blended fuels and long periods of idling in cold weather. cummins is in no way liable for hardware selections made by the users. specifications should be reviewed with the vehicle manufacturer dealer or with a cummins distributor. good info ken and id have to agree with your observation. with the 05 6 speed anything below 65 mph will get me low 20s mpg as long as its not all city driving. that puts the tach right about 2000 1900 or that neighbor hood. -- chris .

From : miles

http//easyurl.net/dodge1936 .

From : beryl

thanks for the info denny. ill get your email if i have more questions after we get into the discussions on how to set this up. the one thing running against the techs at this point is at least one of the manufacturers doesnt have an accurate flat rate book. fortunately the management is aware of this so were in the process of doing time studies on everything that comes through. just out of curiosity what kind of dealer is this automotive ive never run into a manufacturer that didnt have a warrenty time guide. it doesnt really matter if its accurate or not its the time they go by. sometimes you can get a little extra on certain lops if you have really good cause and accurate time stamps denny .

From : tbone

on fri 31 aug 2007 143337 gmt tim young timyoung1@verizon.net wrote found bad thrust washers replaced clutch packs still annoying whine. any help out there. we had that for months.. thought it was wheel bearing universal drive shaft etc.. dealer rebuilt rear end but didnt change gears.. noise went away for maybe a month and came back dealer rebuilt rear end again including new gears and its been quiet for almost 2 years now.. might not be your problem but might help.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : miles

i dont think so. they dont chase anyone unless they are hauling donuts. abby.normal wrote check your battery. when my 2002 intrepid was stolen last year from the county parking lot a donut shop is needed there to keep the local cops on the job the thieves did something to the electrical system that made the battery go dead. i think that when they got the car running they couldnt turn it completely off. we had $4800 in body/interior damage and got to keep the drugs left in the ash tray that the dallas -and- plano cops didnt want not enough for a party high. as well as the blood soaked rags from when the thieves cut themselves stealing it. - yes got pictures too. they were probably too busy running from false alarm to false alarm in your yuppie neighborhood to do any real police work. bob .

From : craig c

tbone wrote that is simply not true. mot as long as there is competition. the mac has beaten the pc in performance since the day it was introduced and still does. the only reason it has not taken over is due to the price and lack of software but it is now gaining market share. not true. many of apples latest hardware improvements are a direct result from development on pcs. take sata drives for instance. apple have them first dont think so! hell even older ide ultra 100 then 133 were first on pcs. apple follows rather than leads. hahahaha perhaps that is because the mac used scsi drives and if you think that ide drives can outperform scsi ...... i was im the field when they started. and you still unaware of ibms decision to not make dos exclusive to them and the ramifications of their decision actually you got it wrong again. they had the choice of a different risc type processor and a different os all together that they could have exclusive rights on and both were superior to what they chose but they chose not to. if you actually did a little reading you would see that they wanted to be a builder of this new machine not the designer and set up to build this new machine with off of the shelf parts. ibm created the first pc with which our current pcs are based. nope. care to try again sorry tom but you are wrong. there were numerous cp/m computers out and ibm almost went with cp/m but dec couldnt meet ibms deadlines in time. i think that you need to do a little more reading. microsoft offered ibm exclusive rights to ms-dos. wrong again. ibm wanted exclusive rights and bill said no way. ms offered exclusive rights. got proof of your claim do you wrong again. ibm decided on an open platform to allow other manufacturers to build peripheral components and compatible software to cut costs. that is complete bull! big blues mentality at the time was similar to their marketing of selectric typewriters. nobody could touch anything with the letters ibm on it. brand recognition killed all competition in most anything ibm did. which is exactly what happened when they started off in the business world with their new pc. the pc market was totally new and ibm incorrectly assumed the pc market would follow the same patterns it had enjoyed elsewhere. ibm sued several early clone makers such as compaq and lost. they did not promote 3rd party development at all! lol why do you think that they lost miles you really need to do a little reading in the history of the pc. after a while but the ibm was a superior machine both in speed and construction. compared to what ibm never beat out even the early clones. get real miles. the early clones were disasters. compaq came out the following year and easily trumped ibms performance in both their portable which ibm didnt produce as well as their desktop. compaq was the first to use hercules graphics adapters. ibm didnt until a full year later. until then ibms were text only. ibm built it as a business machine not a home toy. and yes they did make some mistakes and were short sighted but it was their name and the acceptance of their machine that made this what it is today. lol that depends on the model. ibm had this nasty habit of limiting the abilities of the lower models so that they would not take sales away from the higher priced ones and that came to bite them in the ass but their top of the line models were just as fast as anyone elses and much better built. sure they had some problems such as the origional at systems but they still kicked the crap out of everyone else. kicked the crap in what way they used the same cpus. clones were the first to go to 1.44 meg floppies over ibms 720k. clones were the first to offer graphics. clone were the first to offer sound cards. the list goes on and on. i think that you need to look up the ibm pc-at. you know the standard that most machines followed until the atx versions. really lets have some names and dates. compaqs sold for a higher price than ibms right from the very start. did they outsell the ibm what shape is compaq in now that is complete crap. improvements lead to repeat sales which equates to more money. you say that you know a lot about business but are proving very different. single source suppliers do not improve their product as rapidly as when multiple companies are all trying to trump the other. youre not a business owner or manager!! monopolies are bad for driving innovation. you really have your head up out of your ass. i actually am a business owner and there is and was no monopoly in the pc world. along with ibm there was apple comodore atari and as you say they all wanted a piece of the pc world and were all competing with each other to be bigger better and faster. why do you think that m$ bailed out apple wh

From : craig c

russschell@gmail.com wrote in the past week my 01 ram 1500 has gone through three turn signal bulbs in the right rear assembly. no water little dirt. i cleaned to connectors with light emery paper and blew the dust out with compressed air. a new harness for that corner all 14 of it costs $78.95 at the dealer. i cant find just the socket part anywhere. if you have any ideas on what could be causing this or on where to find the lamp socket so i can just splice it in id appreciate it very much. thanks. is it possible that the lamp is lit all the time jam .

From : beryl

tbone wrote while it may be possible the compressor would require serious hp to spin it fast enough to accomplish it and even if you could find a motor strong enough to do it the power bill would be astronomical. i just got my bill for last months electricity... $7.85 all electric home no gas. got a well no water bill either .

From : beryl

hello i have been chasing this rough idle problem for some time now. i have replaced a lot of stuff iac map intake air sensor and tested the tps. i was reading the haynes manual and it says the water temp sensor is connected to the fuel injector system some how. can this cause an idle problem thanks fred yes it can....but... when a coolant temp sensor give an incorrect reading it causes the fuel mix to be either too rich or too lean. if your oxygen sensors are working correctly they will sence the rich/lean mix and the pcm will compensate for it. you would probably not notice this when driving the vehical. what you would notice is the idle speed may be too high or too low as this is the sensor the pcm looks at to set idle speed. depending on how new your vehical is the pcm could still give a fairly correct idle speed by looking at other sensors and/or calculating run time. it looks like its time to get a scanner on it instead of throwing parts at it. it may save you some money in the long run. denny .

From : miles

miles wrote beryl wrote i disagree with miles about abit being lower end. theyre a small company that became famous for enthusiast boards. they have always been cheap low end boards sold along side the likes of other low end boards such as pc-chips. it was a tossup between asus a7v or abit kt7a when i was buying the stuff for my second pc. they were comparable sold side-by-side. i picked up an a7v because the abits were sold out. like them theyre also sold under a variety of brand labels. you mean like asrock the cheapy brand from asus .

From : miles

punkin on aug 29 314 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote see i knew the transgender cunt troll would start shit as usual. well if ya continue to respond to this asshole he will continue to play with ya. ok roy ill stop responding to you! vbfg but seriously it will not matter who i ed h. or theguy reply to because the transgender troll will tag on simply because he/she/it has nothing to do anymore since snoball kicked he/she/it to the curb. stop crying you twit. you invited me to bash you in this thread. in your first post your very *first* sentence! .

From : miles

craig c. wrote so then your definition of a closed system has now been modified to a set of hardware or software that has an owner and therefore legal rights to the hardware/software modified thats exactly what a closed platform is. a company owns the rights to the hardware. anyone who wishes to develop pays apple for that right. there are no apple clones because its not an open platform. so red hat linux is closed then right based on an open system but has elements/applications that are closed. say what a better analogy would be a 100% clone of of sco unix thats legally available. it doesnt exist. why pardon me but i *completely* disagree that your open systems are superior as you state. they are prone to hacks and mods by would-be programmers. youd be hard pressed to convince any rational human that a miles open system is superior to anything greater than a tricycle. more prone to hacks and mods is that good or bad being open allows innovation. many companies developing hardware is better than just one. its a technology that isnt taking off at all. thats why apple has begun to abandon it. im puzzled as to why you find the topic of firewire worthy of debating. its just another technology that didnt take off. there are thousands of examples that fit your definition of both open and closed systems that never took off. it failed because it was based on a close platform competing against an open platform usb despite it being technically superior. .

From : tbone

chris thompson wrote alright fellas looking for a little input/experiences with this brand motherboard. im thinking in the next month or so upgrading my system and giving the current system to my wife for her personal use. i have over 30 years experience in electronic and over 20 with computers. buy a name brand with a warranty. jam .

From : bill dukenfield

tbone wrote that is simply not true. mot as long as there is competition. the mac has beaten the pc in performance since the day it was introduced and still does. the only reason it has not taken over is due to the price and lack of software but it is now gaining market share. not true. many of apples latest hardware improvements are a direct result from development on pcs. take sata drives for instance. apple have them first dont think so! hell even older ide ultra 100 then 133 were first on pcs. apple follows rather than leads. i was im the field when they started. and you still unaware of ibms decision to not make dos exclusive to them and the ramifications of their decision ibm created the first pc with which our current pcs are based. nope. care to try again sorry tom but you are wrong. there were numerous cp/m computers out and ibm almost went with cp/m but dec couldnt meet ibms deadlines in time. microsoft offered ibm exclusive rights to ms-dos. wrong again. ibm wanted exclusive rights and bill said no way. ms offered exclusive rights. got proof of your claim wrong again. ibm decided on an open platform to allow other manufacturers to build peripheral components and compatible software to cut costs. that is complete bull! big blues mentality at the time was similar to their marketing of selectric typewriters. nobody could touch anything with the letters ibm on it. brand recognition killed all competition in most anything ibm did. the pc market was totally new and ibm incorrectly assumed the pc market would follow the same patterns it had enjoyed elsewhere. ibm sued several early clone makers such as compaq and lost. they did not promote 3rd party development at all! after a while but the ibm was a superior machine both in speed and construction. compared to what ibm never beat out even the early clones. compaq came out the following year and easily trumped ibms performance in both their portable which ibm didnt produce as well as their desktop. compaq was the first to use hercules graphics adapters. ibm didnt until a full year later. until then ibms were text only. lol that depends on the model. ibm had this nasty habit of limiting the abilities of the lower models so that they would not take sales away from the higher priced ones and that came to bite them in the ass but their top of the line models were just as fast as anyone elses and much better built. sure they had some problems such as the origional at systems but they still kicked the crap out of everyone else. kicked the crap in what way they used the same cpus. clones were the first to go to 1.44 meg floppies over ibms 720k. clones were the first to offer graphics. clone were the first to offer sound cards. the list goes on and on. really lets have some names and dates. compaqs sold for a higher price than ibms right from the very start. that is complete crap. improvements lead to repeat sales which equates to more money. you say that you know a lot about business but are proving very different. single source suppliers do not improve their product as rapidly as when multiple companies are all trying to trump the other. youre not a business owner or manager!! monopolies are bad for driving innovation. what does this have to do with the above comment about software oh thats right not a damn thing and even here you are wrong. we were discussing open vs. closed hardware platforms. theres always been a multitude of software developers for almost every computer ever made not just a single source. hahahaha you really do make me laugh. they didnt do well in the home market but took off in the business world. that is what lead to the pc becomming the leader because that is wjere the money is. ibm didnt do well at all in the business market with their pcs. they sold well only for the first 2 years then plummeted. they could not compete with the clone market. software developers. had apple took the risk and pushed the mac into the business world when they had the oppertunity as they had and still have the better machine we would all be working on apples now. um ya riiiight!! apple commodore and many others all tried their hand at marketing to the business world and failed miserably. macs did gain some success in dtp applications but it was software developers that created that market with which apple benefited. where are you comming up with this complete load of crap from. basically from the xp clone clear thru the early pentium pcs the only thing really going on to sell pcs were speed increases. if you just wanted better graphics or more drive space you could just buy those components. not so at all. people do not buy a computer and then go shopping for the software they need that will run on it. instead people shop for the software that will do what they want and then buy t

From : miles

hello i have been chasing this rough idle problem for some time now. i have replaced a lot of stuff iac map intake air sensor and tested the tps. i was reading the haynes manual and it says the water temp sensor is connected to the fuel injector system some how. can this cause an idle problem thanks fred .

From : tbone

on aug 30 1247 am bob az rwatson...@aol.com wrote on aug 28 724pm with the engine running i have jiggled and wiggled every wire and harness under my hood and dash and unable to get it to stop. what am i missing has anyone else had a similar problem pickup coil in the distributor. when you pull the distributor to change it and before removing the coil check for continuity while wiggling or flexing the wires. bob az here is another thought just a thought. we had a 1997 jeep cherokee that would die for no reason what so ever. by time i would get to where my wife broke down it would fire up and run fine. it turned out to be the ignition coil. the same thing happen several time some years later turned out to be ignition coil. we now have a 1996 dodge van. my wife called and said it just quit. on my way to get her i ran by the parts store and picked up a coil. got to her it fired right up. i changed the coil anyway no more problems with it dieing out of the blue. fred .

From : chris thompson

great answer! thanks for the explanation indeed. i can picture myself in the past with a treble hook in my mouth listening to co-workers stories.. .

From : tbone

chris thompson wrote wow 1 post about a motherboard for a upgrade im considering and look what its turned in to. gotta love aadt and in just 55 posts at that. *grin* thanks for stirring the pot. somewhere roy is smiling with approval. - craig c. .

From : craig c

azwiley1 wrote yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. ugh ... google groups. i wonder why they dont offer a killfile feature that means you are having to sift through the mi5victim crap. beryl budd and the mi5 wacko are in my kf for a.a.d.t. they all deserve each other. - craig c. .

From : azwiley1

bigironram wrote i have a 1990 dakota se 4 cyl 2.5l 5 sp od and the wipers just quit. it pumps washer fluid and the wiper motor sounds like its running but no wiper action. has the motor seized up somehow or is there something loose between motor and wipers thanks for any helpful input! karl theres a plastic bushing that attaches the motor to the linkage its worn out. new ones are less than ten bucks at the dealer. for me the bushings seem to have a 1015 year life span. if yours is original youve done well. thank you kind sir for your response! it sounds like you may have nailed it since motor is humming and all. hope i dont sound like an absolute dummy here but ive never dealt with such a problem before so ill just ask how do i locate the offending plastic bushing behind firewall somewhere under wiper arm or... karl .

From : azwiley1

on aug 30 940 am tbone tbonenos...@nc.rr.com wrote sorry to hear that. time warner did that as well for a while and then i think that they subbed the service out to someone like giga-. the next best thing to a kill file is simply to ignore it but i know how difficult that can be at times. but tom there is just no way i could ignore you! bg well of course. that goes without saying... gbfg i have a server that i use for down loading other things that has aadt in it also but i have just been to lazy to populate the server info to a reader. and i though that i was the only one like that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : craig c

on aug 30 1133 am chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to joe s post. i thought everyone should know 216.77.188.18 @i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com on aug 30 818 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. ugh ... google groups. i wonder why they dont offer a killfile feature that means you are having to sift through the mi5victim crap. beryl budd and the mi5 wacko are in my kf for a.a.d.t. they all deserve each other. - craig c. good question one would think they would. i suppose i could populate my read with a diiferent server that i use for other downloads but i just havent bothered. http//www.penney.org/ggkiller.html use at your own risk. wow 1 post about a motherboard for a upgrade im considering and look what its turned in to. gotta love aadt and in just 55 posts at that. *grin* -- chris- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - complain complain! hehe .

From : chris thompson

in response to craig c. s post. i thought everyone should know chris thompson wrote *caugh* who said anything about osx you can run any os. including k/umbuntu. superior performance from a superior product. - craig c. did you ever check out kubuntu how does it run on your mac if you did -- chris .

From : craig c

chris thompson wrote *caugh* who said anything about osx you can run any os. including k/umbuntu. superior performance from a superior product. - craig c. .

From : azwiley1

on aug 30 818 am craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote yes but unfortuneately right now i am using google groups via the web and there isnt one. ugh ... google groups. i wonder why they dont offer a killfile feature that means you are having to sift through the mi5victim crap. beryl budd and the mi5 wacko are in my kf for a.a.d.t. they all deserve each other. - craig c. good question one would think they would. i suppose i could populate my read with a diiferent server that i use for other downloads but i just havent bothered. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote actually closed systems are almost always superior to open systems as far as speed and sometimes reliability goes. where they lack is in flexibility and cost. not true. open platforms allow innovation from a multitude of sources. i believe that i already said this although i called it flexability. however those same multiple sources almost always lead to partial incomaptabilities that slow things down. even in your other posts in this thread you make the claim that some system boards are better than other and some video cards just suck. these are the reasons that closed system are almost always faster because the developers of these systems have complete control over everything and can make rapid changes if required which is not possible with any open system. lets say when pcs first came out ibm bought exclusive rights to ms-dos and locked it into a closed system. what are you talking about nobody could clone the original ibm pc. where do you think pc hardware would be today with just ibm and their proprietary closed system pretty much exactly where it is today. the ibm pc version is where it is because of the huge amount of software written for it and that happened because in the beginning ibm had the reputation of making business machines and the money to mass produce them at an affordable cost and got the jump on apple. as you like to say business exists for the sole purpose of making money and where do you think that they are going to put their resources at a superior system with 10000 units and available sales or at a slower system with 500000 units on the market. no way tom! an open system is why we have so many companies pushing the limit with new technology in pcs every year. and even with that the closed system mac remained far superior to it in speed and performance. two competing closed systems would have created the same innovation if sales were dependant on speed. want another example apple came out with their firewire serial bus. if any other manufacture wants to put a firewire port on their pc they have to pay apple. it was far superior to the original usb 1 for its speed. however because its a closed system and usb being open development gained fast for usb and stalled for firewire. funny many of the newer system boards offer fire wire support. perhaps you should take a look. but then again this example is invalid because now you are talking about a component not a complete system. anywhere you look in time the closed system kicked the shit out of open systems of the same period in speed and performance and they did it for a reason. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

your are welcome and good luck. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving there is a broken pin within the distributor. it hasnt been repaired yet but it looks like the right direction. ill keep you posted. thanks again. to mike and tbone thanks for your help. what turned out to be the problem so the dark green/orange @ the coil/injectors is an input to the ecm it is a 12 volt feed wire coming from the shutdown relay. it powers the injectors coil and ecm. i was told it was an output. no. if i put power to that wire at the coil the injectors get power as well as the ecm and right over to the relay box on the left front fender. you need to find out why it has no power on its own. still no start. we have no injector pulse during crank with that wire manually powered up as well. you may have a wiring harness problem i would fix the no power from the auto shutdown relay first. the ecm originally called for crank sensor and cam sensor. both were changed. did the engine ever run at all if yes was it before or after the cam and crank sensors were replaced thanks again. isnt the fuel pump as well we do have fuel pump. no the fuel pump is powered by the fuel pump relay. both the fuel pump relay and auto shutdown relay are fed by the same fuse and activated by the ecm on a single wire. from what you are saying you have a bad auto shutdown relay or an open wire to the relay. shouldnt the injectors/coil have ignition voltage ignition voltage not sure what you mean by ignition voltage but the injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. .

From : azwiley1

on aug 28 1125 pm tom lawrence tnooms4p8...@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote well i have no idea about these things but i have heard that a typical house system is 2 tons versus a car system being 10 - 20 tons. where did you get a number like that i really doubt it could be that high yeah me neither. heres a capacity curve for a typical automotive compressor. even at peak output its just a little over 2 tonshttp//www.sanden.com/support/pdf/sd7refrigcapcurve.pdf ok well im thinking the guy was probably fos now that i discuss it with you guys but .. supposedly the setup was with a delco a-6 compressor and with r-12. he said he used a 3 horse electric motor to spin the thing... too bad he didnt have pictures to prove that this wasnt just some bs fabrication. i have no idea if the guy was telling a story or not. but i do know when dodge introduced the 1994 trucks with 134a systems they bragged that the a/c system was capable of cooling a 1500 square foot home fwiw. .

From : beryl

on aug 29 949 pm beryl terra...@coolbits.net wrote chris thompson wrote in response to beryl s post. i thought everyone should know one its not crissy i have not had any sort of pissing match with you to date so get your shit straight. if you want to play that childish name game with someone who cares to piss back at you go right ahead but leave me out of that shit. i dont have time for it. bullshit. i dont care whether you make up nicknames for people or not subtle comments dont go unnoticed. good im glad you can notice subtle comments. still not gonna have a pissin match with you. still gonna call you crissy anyway. i think your amd/machspeed bundle is too low-end. at least the cpu is. well thanks for the input. i never heard of machspeed. neither had i thats why i asked if anyone else had any experiance with them. i hear msi and gigabyte are good brands. asus usually is good. abit was good probably still is. i disagree with miles about abit being lower end. theyre a small company that became famous for enthusiast boards. they steadily crank out new bios versions even for boards that are out of production. theyre the only brand im aware of that accepted responsibility for the widespread capacitor problem several years back and replaced affected boards free even long after the warranties were expired. maybe you should do some research than foxconn which is what dell was using and may still be did the same. we still run into an occasional board with bad caps and they are replaced no questions asked. .

From : chris thompson

on aug 28 724pm with the engine running i have jiggled and wiggled every wire and harness under my hood and dash and unable to get it to stop. what am i missing has anyone else had a similar problem pickup coil in the distributor. when you pull the distributor to change it and before removing the coil check for continuity while wiggling or flexing the wires. bob az .

From : beryl

chris thompson wrote in response to beryl s post. i thought everyone should know one its not crissy i have not had any sort of pissing match with you to date so get your shit straight. if you want to play that childish name game with someone who cares to piss back at you go right ahead but leave me out of that shit. i dont have time for it. bullshit. i dont care whether you make up nicknames for people or not subtle comments dont go unnoticed. good im glad you can notice subtle comments. still not gonna have a pissin match with you. still gonna call you crissy anyway. i think your amd/machspeed bundle is too low-end. at least the cpu is. well thanks for the input. i never heard of machspeed. neither had i thats why i asked if anyone else had any experiance with them. i hear msi and gigabyte are good brands. asus usually is good. abit was good probably still is. i disagree with miles about abit being lower end. theyre a small company that became famous for enthusiast boards. they steadily crank out new bios versions even for boards that are out of production. theyre the only brand im aware of that accepted responsibility for the widespread capacitor problem several years back and replaced affected boards free even long after the warranties were expired. but as miles says there are hits and misses. if youre not a tinkerer asus is more of a buy-it-and-forget-it board. .

From : miles

in response to beryl s post. i thought everyone should know one its not crissy i have not had any sort of pissing match with you to date so get your shit straight. if you want to play that childish name game with someone who cares to piss back at you go right ahead but leave me out of that shit. i dont have time for it. bullshit. i dont care whether you make up nicknames for people or not subtle comments dont go unnoticed. good im glad you can notice subtle comments. still not gonna have a pissin match with you. i think your amd/machspeed bundle is too low-end. at least the cpu is. well thanks for the input. i never heard of machspeed. neither had i thats why i asked if anyone else had any experiance with them. i hear msi and gigabyte are good brands. asus usually is good. abit was good probably still is. -- chris .

From : tbone

miles wrote say what you have no clue what closed or proprietary mean. well now that depends on your definition of closed. as in the past you argue your definitions even when they dont make any sense at all. my definition of a closed system is this xyz company creates a machine hardware and the software to run the machine os. no other os is capable of running this hardware. the os isnt capable of running any other hardware either. like ... apple used to be or the ibm system 36 as/400 etc. that is clearly no longer the case with the mac. the hardware runs multiple oss natively without os x. furthermore mac os x will run on a pc clone. therefore whether apple wants it or not their os is and can run hardware that they do not get royalties from. http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/osx86 regarding your comments about firewire or ieee 1394 it was created by apple ti sony dec and ibm as a replacement to scsi. seagate and western digital were in on the technology as well. so miles it isnt just big bad apple trying to rape the consumer. they put a lot of development efforts into ieee 1394 and they deserve payment. dont like it dont use it. simple. easy. so stop whining. i have never seen a product that was firewire only. there is always a usb version. additionally apple has indicated that even they are pulling away from firewire and going with usb. craig c. .

From : miles

on aug 29 314 pm roy r...@fhome.net wrote see i knew the transgender cunt troll would start shit as usual. well if ya continue to respond to this asshole he will continue to play with ya. ok roy ill stop responding to you! vbfg but seriously it will not matter who i ed h. or theguy reply to because the transgender troll will tag on simply because he/she/it has nothing to do anymore since snoball kicked he/she/it to the curb. that is what kill files are for larry. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beryl

i have a 1990 dakota se 4 cyl 2.5l 5 sp od and the wipers just quit. it pumps washer fluid and the wiper motor sounds like its running but no wiper action. has the motor seized up somehow or is there something loose between motor and wipers thanks for any helpful input! karl .

From : craig c

craig c. wrote miles wrote closed system is not superior. the hardware is not a closed system which is what we were discussing. keep up. apples hardware most certainly is closed. how many apple clones are sold legally even for a manufacture to include apples firewire port they have to pay apple royalties. not so with the usb which is open. . 222 338712 dvnbi.126432$tw6.79207@fe06.phx tbone wrote actually closed systems are almost always superior to open systems as far as speed and sometimes reliability goes. where they lack is in flexibility and cost. not true. open platforms allow innovation from a multitude of sources. lets say when pcs first came out ibm bought exclusive rights to ms-dos and locked it into a closed system. nobody could clone the original ibm pc. where do you think pc hardware would be today with just ibm and their proprietary closed system no way tom! an open system is why we have so many companies pushing the limit with new technology in pcs every year. want another example apple came out with their firewire serial bus. if any other manufacture wants to put a firewire port on their pc they have to pay apple. it was far superior to the original usb 1 for its speed. however because its a closed system and usb being open development gained fast for usb and stalled for firewire. .

From : miles

crag chris thompson wrote still check her email while i do my school work. what are you going to school for im taking this semester off for the first time in a very long time. ill start back again in the spring. btw are you the same beryl i see in the linux group from time to time never trust a guy that names himself after a soft mineral beryl is around 8 on mohs scale. with poor cleavage. geology joke fuchsite - crags fave site with perfect cleavage dickite - crag adores this mineral cant keep his hands off fukalite - when crags got an extra minute in the mens room kinoshitalite - crag leaves these in the bushes coprolite - stone on mrs. crags wedding ring i wonder what variety he claims to be im guessing morganite. its pink. emerald - craig c. party in crags mouth everyones cummingtonite .

From : miles

craig c. wrote what is it specifically that you think you *cant* do with apple hardware that you can supposedly do with the system you originally posted about clone it. anyone can produce an intel based pc that can run windows. only apple can make a pc that can run apples os. anyone who makes a pc with a firewire port must pay apple royalties. not so with usb which is open hardware. .

From : craig c

i have a 1990 dakota se 4 cyl 2.5l 5 sp od. the a/c gradually quit cooling. it has been retro-fitted for r-134. i picked up a recharge kit at auto zone and put in 3 cans of 134. it cooled that night and the next morning but not since. the pressure reading was pretty low after installing the 3 cans. is it possible it wasnt enough refrigerant to properly pressurize the system and cool accordingly or do i have a leak thats too bad for the stop-leak in the refrigerant to seal up tia karl .

From : miles

check your battery. when my 2002 intrepid was stolen last year from the county parking lot a donut shop is needed there to keep the local cops on the job the thieves did something to the electrical system that made the battery go dead. i think that when they got the car running they couldnt turn it completely off. we had $4800 in body/interior damage and got to keep the drugs left in the ash tray that the dallas -and- plano cops didnt want not enough for a party high. as well as the blood soaked rags from when the thieves cut themselves stealing it. - yes got pictures too. halo also. has anyone done this repair my local advance auto parts has the ignition for $70 what is the halo the little ring that lights up around the cylinder. its certainly not a required item. how difficult is the repair replacing the ignition switch is fairly simple - a haynes manual available at the auto parts store will cover the procedure in pretty good detail. youll need a set of torx screwdrivers. also i havent started the truck in about 1 month i would like to start it and drive it a little or at least warm it up is that possible ive tried the method the crooks u

From : chris thompson

chris thompson wrote in response to beryl s post. i thought everyone should know if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. crissy settled on one of the slightly slower single cores for yesterdays socket 939. that amd athlon 64 3500+ is worth a measly $40 at newegg. it wont be faster than my old socket a. newegg has a couple slightly faster dual core athlon 64 x2 4200+ / asus 939 bundles for about $110. one its not crissy i have not had any sort of pissing match with you to date so get your shit straight. if you want to play that childish name game with someone who cares to piss back at you go right ahead but leave me out of that shit. i dont have time for it. bullshit. i dont care whether you make up nicknames for people or not subtle comments dont go unnoticed. that is merely one board i am looking at cost is a factor and yes i can be a cheap ass when it comes to computer hardware nothing wrong with i think your amd/machspeed bundle is too low-end. at least the cpu is. that. this socket a was a discount model when i bought it and has served me well over the years. infact id still use it past the time i upgrade if it wasnt for my school and my wife wanting her own computer so she can still check her email while i do my school work. and yes i have a few dual core am2 sockets i am considering but they are made by msi a manufacturer i have experiance with and trust so no need to question the reputation of them. the question was mainly over the motherboards manufacturer itself. i never heard of machspeed. i hear msi and gigabyte are good brands. asus usually is good. abit was good probably still is. something no one has touched on not even the self proclaimed net nanny beryl. i never proclaimed myself net nanny. i did notice punkin playing the role so i decided to see if he can take it as well as dish it out. nope hes a real whiner when hes on the receiving end. btw are you the same beryl i see in the linux group from time to time nope. .

From : joe

in response to craig c. s post. i thought everyone should know miles wrote apples hardware most certainly is closed. hogwash. if the hardware was closed and proprietary as you claim linux and windows would not be able to run on the system natively. apples use to be a closed system. not anymore. craig c. linux could run on the system if some open source developer took a desire to build a kernel to boot the apple hardware. wiether or not the software is open to be developed competitively by other companies or not has no bearing on that particular issue. sorry craig i have to disagree with your stance there bud. -- chris .

From : beryl

this might be one thing we can agree on. miles wrote beryl wrote except it was you who plopped into the thread with incorrect assumptions in your attempt to insult me. excessive rhetoric snipped geez beryl!! you have way too much free time!! but i was waiting for the lunar eclipse! .

From : ed h

tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote in in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know though i know right off that the transgender troll will end up jumping all over my posting because he/she/it has nothing better to do i will reply anyway. i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. thanks for you input larry and yes i plan to stick with the amd platform i have had extremely good luck/experience with the amd products so far. probably because amd builds a superior product. how so .

From : chris thompson

craig c. wrote miles wrote apples hardware most certainly is closed. hogwash. if the hardware was closed and proprietary as you claim linux and windows would not be able to run on the system natively. apples use to be a closed system. not anymore. craig c. google for mac bios and youll find that they dont use the standard pc bios. a mac mainboard just isnt a pc motherboard even if they can use the same intel processors. .

From : ed h

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know the question was mainly over the motherboards manufacturer itself. something no one has touched on not even the self proclaimed net nanny beryl. chris so you know though i think you might be aware i did not mention anything about that board simply because i am not familiar with it. thats what i figured -- chris .

From : craig c

to mike and tbone thanks for your help. so the dark green/orange @ the coil/injectors is an input to the ecm it is a 12 volt feed wire coming from the shutdown relay. it powers the injectors coil and ecm. i was told it was an output. no. if i put power to that wire at the coil the injectors get power as well as the ecm and right over to the relay box on the left front fender. you need to find out why it has no power on its own. still no start. we have no injector pulse during crank with that wire manually powered up as well. you may have a wiring harness problem i would fix the no power from the auto shutdown relay first. the ecm originally called for crank sensor and cam sensor. both were changed. did the engine ever run at all if yes was it before or after the cam and crank sensors were replaced thanks again. isnt the fuel pump as well we do have fuel pump. no the fuel pump is powered by the fuel pump relay. both the fuel pump relay and auto shutdown relay are fed by the same fuse and activated by the ecm on a single wire. from what you are saying you have a bad auto shutdown relay or an open wire to the relay. shouldnt the injectors/coil have ignition voltage ignition voltage not sure what you mean by ignition voltage but the injectors and coil should both have 12 volts. these are powered by the auto shutdown relay. i really appreciate it. .

From : miles

miles wrote apples hardware most certainly is closed. hogwash. if the hardware was closed and proprietary as you claim linux and windows would not be able to run on the system natively. apples use to be a closed system. not anymore. craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote closed system is not superior. the hardware is not a closed system which is what we were discussing. keep up. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

beekeep wrote that was chemistry i was speaking of his thought process not the actual post. craig c. .

From : miles

miles wrote thats too bad. the apple did have a great advantage in using motorola cpus over intel. if youve ever programmed in assembly on both cpus youd understand just how inefficient intel cpus are. the motorola chip was hard to get in sufficient numbers ran hot and sucked up an enormous amount of power. moving to intel was the best option for apples future business plans. craig c. .

From : miles

actually closed systems are almost always superior to open systems as far as speed and sometimes reliability goes. where they lack is in flexibility and cost. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving craig c. wrote chris thompson wrote *caugh* who said anything about osx you can run any os. including k/umbuntu. superior performance from a superior product. closed system is not superior. i prefer a non-proprietary open system by far. .

From : roy

on wed 29 aug 2007 210626 gmt craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote tom lawrence wrote lets assume that it takes 12hp to turn this particular compressor at 3000rpm where its producing right around 2 tons of cooling 24000 btu. that means the torque component is 21ft.lbs 12hp=3000x/5252 x=21. with a 3hp motor thats actually capable of putting out 3hp - most electric motors are in the high-80s to low-90s efficiency rating it would only be capable of turning that load at 750rpm 3hp=21x/5252 x=750. at 750rpm the compressor has about 8000btus of cooling capacity reference the chart previously posted. so 8000btus is your basic bedroom air conditioner. looking up one of the popular models an 8000btu window ac unit draws 7.5 amps at 115vac or about 860 watts. that 3hp motor above is drawing over 2200 watts 1hp=746 watts not even factoring in motor efficiency. given the cost per kilowatt hour its much better to comsume 860 watts per hour than 2200 watts per hour. jesus tom. you crack me up. have you ever thought about a rewarding career in chemistry youd be good at it. - craig c. that was chemistry beekeep .

From : chris thompson

ok well im thinking the guy was probably fos now that i discuss it with you guys but .. supposedly the setup was with a delco a-6 compressor and with r-12. he said he used a 3 horse electric motor theres another indicator that somethings not quite right with that story. automotive ac compressors eat up a lot more than 3hp when theyre engaged - somewhere in the 10-15hp neighborhood. now you could spin one with a 3hp motor but it would be at a much lower rpm. as the graph showed the lower the compressor turns the less cooling capacity it has. lets assume that it takes 12hp to turn this particular compressor at 3000rpm where its producing right around 2 tons of cooling 24000 btu. that means the torque component is 21ft.lbs 12hp=3000x/5252 x=21. with a 3hp motor thats actually capable of putting out 3hp - most electric motors are in the high-80s to low-90s efficiency rating it would only be capable of turning that load at 750rpm 3hp=21x/5252 x=750. at 750rpm the compressor has about 8000btus of cooling capacity reference the chart previously posted. so 8000btus is your basic bedroom air conditioner. looking up one of the popular models an 8000btu window ac unit draws 7.5 amps at 115vac or about 860 watts. that 3hp motor above is drawing over 2200 watts 1hp=746 watts not even factoring in motor efficiency. given the cost per kilowatt hour its much better to comsume 860 watts per hour than 2200 watts per hour. .

From : craig c

hello ive got a 1996 dodge ram 2500 that was stolen. the ignition was removed so i need a new ignition and someone told me i need a new halo also. has anyone done this repair my local advance auto parts has the ignition for $70 what is the halo how difficult is the repair also i havent started the truck in about 1 month i would like to start it and drive it a little or at least warm it up is that possible ive tried the method the crooks used to start it but turning the broken ignition doesnt engage the starter anymore to start the truck somehow like my taking jumper cables the the starter moter thanks .

From : chris thompson

in response to craig c. s post. i thought everyone should know chris thompson wrote still check her email while i do my school work. what are you going to school for im taking this semester off for the first time in a very long time. ill start back again in the spring. working on a computer science degree this quarter is unix/linux server administration. -- chris .

From : tbone

chris thompson wrote still check her email while i do my school work. what are you going to school for im taking this semester off for the first time in a very long time. ill start back again in the spring. btw are you the same beryl i see in the linux group from time to time never trust a guy that names himself after a soft mineral with poor cleavage. geology joke i wonder what variety he claims to be im guessing morganite. its pink. - craig c. .

From : azwiley1

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know though i know right off that the transgender troll will end up jumping all over my posting because he/she/it has nothing better to do i will reply anyway. i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. thanks for you input larry and yes i plan to stick with the amd platform i have had extremely good luck/experience with the amd products so far. probably because amd builds a superior product. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beryl

on aug 29 847 am big al s...@qwest.net wrote 1500 dodge ram v6 i am having problems with my ac system. the system is intermitted i can turn the system on and it will not blow. but while i am driving or running idle it has a mind of its on to turn on. once it is on the ac blows through the defrost vent when i change the settings it may or may not switch to the correct vents mainly it blows through the defrost vent. i have changed the check valve near the fire wall on the passenger side. im in texas and i need my ac. what year the older trucks do this if they have a vacuum leak. al its a 1998 dodge ram 1500 truck v6. .

From : azwiley1

on aug 28 1125 pm tom lawrence tnooms4p8...@meimnbgaarlqlmoawield.com wrote well i have no idea about these things but i have heard that a typical house system is 2 tons versus a car system being 10 - 20 tons. where did you get a number like that i really doubt it could be that high yeah me neither. heres a capacity curve for a typical automotive compressor. even at peak output its just a little over 2 tonshttp//www.sanden.com/support/pdf/sd7refrigcapcurve.pdf ok well im thinking the guy was probably fos now that i discuss it with you guys but .. supposedly the setup was with a delco a-6 compressor and with r-12. he said he used a 3 horse electric motor to spin the thing... too bad he didnt have pictures to prove that this wasnt just some bs fabrication. .

From : chris thompson

on aug 29 940 am mac davis mac.splint...@bajadavis.com wrote on tue 28 aug 2007 152440 -0400 roy r...@fhome.net wrote roy wrote there was a thread around a bit ago that had to do with home a/c what was the outcome who makes the best and most energy efficient trying to be of the game when this unit fails. roy would you please stop stirring the pot - you are correct i apologize. when it comes to pot it should be smoked not stirred. vbg craig c. unless youre making brownies... mac please remove splinters before emailing- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm brownies! .

From : craig c

on aug 29 952 am chris thompson kf4drr-no-sp...@windstream.net wrote in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know though i know right off that the transgender troll will end up jumping all over my posting because he/she/it has nothing better to do i will reply anyway. i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. thanks for you input larry and yes i plan to stick with the amd platform i have had extremely good luck/experience with the amd products so far. -- chris i would definately stay with a dual core than it just makes more sense. .

From : mac davis

in response to azwiley1 s post. i thought everyone should know though i know right off that the transgender troll will end up jumping all over my posting because he/she/it has nothing better to do i will reply anyway. i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. thanks for you input larry and yes i plan to stick with the amd platform i have had extremely good luck/experience with the amd products so far. -- chris .

From : craig c

on tue 28 aug 2007 152440 -0400 roy roy@fhome.net wrote roy wrote there was a thread around a bit ago that had to do with home a/c what was the outcome who makes the best and most energy efficient trying to be of the game when this unit fails. roy would you please stop stirring the pot - you are correct i apologize. when it comes to pot it should be smoked not stirred. vbg craig c. unless youre making brownies... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : chris thompson

though i know right off that the transgender troll will end up jumping all over my posting because he/she/it has nothing better to do i will reply anyway. i have always used abit asus or gigabyte mainboards with no issues in my own systems or ones i have built for customers. if you are going to stick with amd for your cpu i would go with a slightly slower dual core vice the slightly faster single core. i also use xfx video cards with great results they are factory o.c.d and come with a great warranty should you ever need it. it is also sli capable and pci-e based. stay with the sata 3.0 drive man. .

From : craig c

chris thompson wrote did you ever check out kubuntu how does it run on your mac if you did yep. it runs on mac. i ftpd the installable files but have not yet run tried them. i have a g5 with powerpc chips. the new macs are intel which are definitely better for running other oss. you can run it other oss natively separate bootable partitions or there is a product by vmware called fusion that allows you to run multiple oss at the same time on a mac with kick butt performance. check it out http//www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ look into my eyes ... you will be a mac bigot ... you will be a mac bigot. - craig c. .