Next time it's a Ford !

From : Annonymous

Q: on fri 18 jul 2003 144915 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote no you mentioned using the van to haul your beehives and at least once said you did overload it with honey. again bullshit! you dont have any idea what a hives weighs or how many you could get in a 3/4 ton van. i never posted anything about overloading it with honey either. as usual you are just taking out of your ass and i am sure your breath proves it. youve mentioned your address a few times and that area is rather hilly. again bullshit! if you consider where i live is hilly then you must think your dick is a flagpole instead of a doorbell button. and since you havent the brains to pour water out of a boot with directions on the heel based your attitude about how you let your kids grow instead of raising them you probably let the trans hunt from 3rd to od as you wandered over those hills and possibly never did the proper maintenance on it. you sure didnt have the sense to order the factory trans cooler. again pure bullshit! there is no tranny maintenance scheduled for 20k and nobody should have to order equipment to be added to a vehicle to make it run properly. dont go blaming me for chryslers pisspoor engineering. as far as raising my my kids go. my eldest has one more year to graduate from the u of md and is now talking graduate school. the other just graduated second in her highschool class turned down a full scholership to vanderbuilt and is headed to the u of mi. this fall with a doctorate in mind. again your talking out your ass. you screwed it up but are too stupid and too cowardly to admit it. i got your coward right here mother fucker. your dumbfuck attitude would improve if you would get somone to change your shitty diaper that you have sitting in for a week. btw go to http//autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/motorscootertalk/ thats my youngest son on my cushman with hand built bodywork. in the photos section you can see the front disk brake i made for the scooter and a pic of me sitting on it. could you do any of that now shove your cushman comments up your rectum. yes and more. i build bikes as a hobby have the shop to do it in and yes i can hoist engines fron the ceiling beam! but then again i built the shop too. and no i wouldnt go bragging about something that looked like that cushman. was that a special olympics project youre proof of what happens when inbreeding goes rampant. beekeep .

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From : netscape fan

werent they using a dodge pick up .

From : steve

roy wrote let me assure you the corvette z06 cost a bit more than sues eldo. i really dont think the cost of the product has a damn thing to do with it. thats not entirely true. some brands have their own service reps mechanics etc different from those used for other brands at the same exact dealership. lexus and infinity come to mind vs. nissan and toyota. .

From : miles

steve wrote thanks! i wasnt upset as they claim and still not upset. all i did was post a fact on how i felt. youre preaching to the choir steve. now im upset!!!!!!!!!!!! my skin is so thin that i let someone ive never met have control over my emotions!!! i must have the emotional maturity of a 3-year old!!!! uh just kidding stevo. .

From : cbhvac

why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to speed...blend doors not open or closed correctly...clogged filters...bad compressor.. and*if* if is low where is the leak head pressures are ok right the fan for the condensors working like it needs to head pressures tell you this and much more. again...a sight glass on a 134a system is useless. its also useless contrary to popular non trained belief on a stationary system. ambient temps can make a system appear to be full when its not even close and they can also make a system look low when its overcharged. depending on the metering device you may or may not see bubbles and on some you must have a slight bubbling at say...80 to 90f ambients or its overcharged. its real simple... recover vac weigh and recharge. come to think of it...the sight glass on my r12 units is totally useless now too...since with r416a you only use 80% of the factory charge..its a blend and the glide rates are different..you should see that sucker bubble...but yet it cools as good as r12..amazing isnt it no..its not rocket science...i hear that one every day too..normally as i am writing the bill out for joe billybobs screw up but it is thermal dynamics fluid dynamics and physics. someone much smarter than you and i has determined the proper charge in advance very handy on systems like automotive that run in a multitude of enviroments unlike home systems that require about 2 hours of tune time to properly get it right..you can charge a vehicle in minutes not hours. there is no superheat or subcool to check...just recover the charge check the weight if its not factory levels of charge find the leak repair vac and recharge to factory weight. just because you are used to charging the system wrong and dont have the tools and knowledge to do it right dont hate those of us that do. this was not a flame just cold hard facts...no pun intended. yep recover repair evacuate charge to proper level ya cant just throw a can er two in her shes gettin warm anymore. sight glasss for a 134a system is pointless.. if you think its low its recover and recharge to factory levels... hi guys i traded off my 93 gcaravan for a 01 durango last year. my caravan had a sight glass for the freon level which proved to be very helpful and effective. i looked all over my durango and cant seem to find one. have i overlooked it i was hoping dodge would have continued the nice feature. james1549 .

From : ignoramus2050

whats it say on the dealer sticker also if you have separate tweeters in the front they might even have infinity stamped on them - dead giveaway youve probably got the infinity option. other than that you can search around the net for info. its what i ended up doing. you can also ask in the rec.audio.car group. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies ok that leads me to my next question....how do i determine just what chrysler put in my dodge marshall @bob..rcn.net i have an 03 ram 1500 quad cab. one of the reasons i jumped on this truck was the infinity stereo system - this one is a seven speaker system. it seems that i have one speaker in each door and three mounted on the horizontal portion of the dash one small one in center near the windshield. now thats interesting. sounds like a home theater setup with the center channel. actually mine is billed as a six-speaker system - two rears and a woofer and tweeter in each of the front doors. i was planning on going in to the dealer w/ a complaint about the speaker in the right front door. based on what i am reading here i should just go to the local infinity dealer and replace the speakers in each of the doors. if its under warranty just have them replace it. i am trying to understand the earlier statement concerning what each speaker does. based on a seven speaker system could you please advise me on what capability each door speaker should have for this truck. i had assumed that i had a little more ass in the amp section than the indash system guess i will have to go look at an amp. im going to guess that there is a full-range speaker in each rear door and the same setup as what i have in the front doors - a tweeter and woofer in each door. i dont have a clue what the 7th speaker does. only thing i can think of is that its a center channel thats somehow wired into the fronts or something. i doubt it has its own channel. i mainly listen to classical and jazz with a nice dose of old/new rock and roll. clear clean crisp audio is what i am after. any advise would be helpful. i will say that i do not want to remove the indash unit i like the idea of keeping the oem unit. oh what the heck does raz and hu stand for thanks marshall only because i dont think infinity would make different amps for different trucks you can check the specs on the audio system ill bet your infinity amp is the same as mine. certainly better than the stock hu but not as powerful as an aftermarket hu. certainly a lot less powerful than an aftermarket amp. mines in the passenger kick panel. im in the process of installing an aftermarket amp after the infinity amp using speaker-level inputs on the new amp; ill install new speakers when i get more $$. last but not least will be a subwoofer. btw hu is head unit and raz is the hu model. its an in-dash single cd/tape unit that has a plug-in for a cd changer. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : Annonymous

riced out rides need to burn... aint a dac out there thats worth a 6 grand paint job.. bt barnum said it best... has anyone had problem with burning paint on r/t dakotas when you run the 2 tail pipes out the back. i took off bumper and added panal to fit pipe ends .i have pipes ran out back and made it specially for looks. i lowered the truck to trick out but the pipes banged at times so i went to muffler shop and made reajustments but now i have noticed a slight burning in my new 6000 paint job just above the pipe. ahhhh. maybe i will need to reroute the pipes bigger pipes to lessen heat any suggestions thanks and go dakotas!durb-- .

From : cbhvac

good. good-bye. budd remove wrote customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : budd cochran

hi ya old troublemaker. divorce btdt now happily married to the right lady for 26 years. hang in there friend. and drop by to give us some heck once in a while. vbg budd bob donnelly wrote hey f-450! how ya doin hi i am having a problem with my 2001 frieghtliner. i need to replace the oil pressure sensor. i ordered a new one and i am having problems locating the its on the drivers side of the engine just below the ecm and just in front of the lift pump. it should have a three-wire connector on it and be almost directly below the big 50-pin electrical connector on the ecm. told you the f450 was better! lol!i guess that explains my problem i figured the new part would help me locate it. the frieghliner dealer sent me a sensor with only one wire after they jerked me off and made me wait a week to ship it. so how is every one doing i just got a divorce a couple of days ago that always seemed to be a popular post in aadt take care all thanks for the help. .

From : budd cochran

aol kicked them off maybe budd cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : trey

where does your isp make the person. heck i have been on these groups since before aol and comcast and when you were still in diapers. on sat 19 jul 2003 152437 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote aol kicked them off maybe budd cbhvac wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : Annonymous

id have guessed he uses a dart board i suspect there is some old-timer in an office somewhere with a slide rule that divines the ratings.... ^ .

From : Annonymous

boy some people just dont understand that groups are for everyone not just the select few who think they own it. this is a dodge group and i can post my feeling about them. if not then show me where it tells me you own this group. grow up and get a life. on sat 19 jul 2003 111241 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote lol..nope...got a fleet of fords...funny for a guy that has family with chrysler.. actually i find it to the point of laughter with tears that you posted this drivel in a dodge group. no one cares here what you do..what you spend your money on...or what you think of the product. while there are some that will try to make you feel all warm and fuzy about your post the majorty will not.. jesus..why are all the fucking morons from comcast you must be crying because you bought a dodge.... on sat 19 jul 2003 090741 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : cbhvac

and if the boy only knew what the paint on the angila was worth..lololol.... oh my..but then...it aint no dak either.. kids...gotta love em..call em on shit and they run.. it seems to me idiots like the cbhvac are the only ones on google anymore!!! time to go somewhere else.durb-- yes this is typical of you low-ridahs.........cant stand the heat attempt to shoot the cook go now little ricer and dont let the doorknob hit ya in the back of the head ya hear .

From : budd cochran

although you really should at least disconnect the batteries ive done welding on mine with everything still hooked up before without any problems. i have a 97 dodge ram. the weld on the tailpipe bracket is broken. this sets off a terrible buzzing at certain rpm ranges. if i clean this up and use my mig welder to make the repair are there any special considerations regarding the vehicles electronics i dont want to fix the exhaust and have a truck thats not going to start/run because i fried its computer! any help you can give me would be most appreciated. .

From : steve

okay check this out http//www.dodgetruckworld.com/forums/topic.aspid=58224 hope that works. dyno results. there is also some other link from trhe guy who makes the air rams. looks like their dynos where a bit better. .

From : Annonymous

beekeep wrote on sat 19 jul 2003 155619 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote again bullshit! you dont have any idea what a hives weighs or how many you could get in a 3/4 ton van. i never posted anything about overloading it with honey either. as usual you are just taking out of your ass and i am sure your breath proves it. i dont are you the only beekeeper in the universe actually methinks thou doth protest overmuchly. but it could be you just suffer from bee sting related memory loss and have forgotten what you have posted. put some inteligence where your mouth is and prove it. you cant so you wont. lets see . . .checked a few apiary suppliers and a hive set could easily hit 100 lbs. if your van has approximately the same interior dimensions as the 72 b-350 i had then you could easily cram 1700 lbs or more in it of just hive parts. as for the honey i havent located an actual weight per gallon but it feels no lighter than water so at 61 pounds a cubic foot you only need 28 cubic feet to max out the suspension to rated load. of course youll have to argue that the web sites are wrong. and no i wouldnt go bragging about something that looked like that cushman. was that a special olympics project at least i have enough confidence in my skills that i am not afraid or ashamed to let others know what ive built. wheres some pics of your work im sure paulie at orange county choppers is green with envy after seeing that project! is he the father i really dont watch the show. to be honest i dont like his attitude . . too much like yours. if that the way you have to be to ride a harley id rather walk. however they do turn out some beautiful if not very practical rides. personally i wouldnt have one and if hes green with envy then thats his problem. pics of my work this one started out in two milk crates a frame and a motor block http//www.radix.net/honeybs/bike1.jpg http//www.radix.net/honeybs/bike2.jpg http//www.radix.net/honeybs/bike3.jpg this one is my everyday ride a 2002 1200 xls http//www.radix.net/honeybs/bike4.jpg my lawn mower a/c still to be installed but basically complete 1960 vintage case 930 80 hp http//www.radix.net/honeybs/tractor.jpg current projects include a d-50 trike and a sidecar for my jack russels. beekeep all i see are very basic parts swap type chops. nothing that comes close to the ingenuity of design found at orange county or even looks like you took a pile of discarded material and formed it into something useful. if i were you i wouldnt brag about those choppers. .

From : budd cochran

see budd you have no idea what you are talking about never said it was a service problem. i was never tossed out of a store in my life seeing i do not rant or rave when upset there are other ways to get around this. yes they can stay in business if they are the only ones selling dc products. the only good dealership in my area had its license or what ever you call it removed by dc at the request of the other dc dealers around here. on sun 20 jul 2003 144116 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote tom why do i get the impression he ranted and raved at the service managers until they darn near or did toss him out after all what are the chances of there being three lousy dealerships they wouldnt stay in business. . . . budd tbone wrote i didnt name the dealerships because it involves 3 dealerships in my area plus one on the other side of the state. i also felt all the replies i received from dc showed the company was only out for the money and not customer satisfaction. their reply was basically the same each time our dealerships do not represent our products. i hope we can earn your faith again in dc products. who cares if you were dealing with multiple dealerships. if all three of them treated you badly then you should name all three of them. what did you expect dc to do they dont own the dealerships so they cannot fire anyone. it is sad to say but in a situation like this dc is going to look at the numbers before attempting any reprimands against a particular dealership and the more that the dealership sells the more tolerant dc is going to be of their actions. as i said before if you really feel that they did wrong by you then name them and save others from their bullshit or do you feel that you are also at fault in the situation by not walking right out the door the minute that they started their shit if you dont name them you are just whining in here and will have to deal with the attacks that you are getting. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : Annonymous

i still have this problem on my 01. the dealer even went as far as replacing the front axle. my brother had this and they changed out the steering box solved it for him. but my problem is still going on. i am on the stock tires. will drop a nite here if i ever get it taken care of. steve .

From : trey

venting of cfcs is about the destruction of the ozone layer of our atmosphere and the increase in the number of cases of skin cancer. global warming is about the increase of the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and the climatological changes that would occur. two different animals. uv radiation versus ir radiation. oh yeah the ozone. were destroying that with our air conditioners and charcoal grills. just as long as the politicians feel good about themselves because theyve done something to solve problems whether theyre real or not. .

From : Annonymous

i parked next to one there about 3 inches difference. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches you do know the tires delivered on the twankies are lower profile than the 17s right i believe the total height is within an inch or so. js i have an 03 ram 1500 club cab w/ hemi 3.92 rearend limited slip-20 wheels. the brochure stated that it was rated for 8900 lbs. the web site limits it to 7750. my brother has a gmc 1500 with the 5.3 engine. he is good for 8100 lbs. i thought dodge was best in class....what is the deal here 20 inch wheels dood your 3.92 rear end is now a 289 rear end....you cant have looks and power. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .

From : punch

they received calls from both the dealer and a ford rep mailings from ford with coupons for free or reduced price on service and even touch-up paint for their trucks. i feel this type of contact is beyond what dc would do and shows what companies really care about their customers. they give you the touch-up paint because there paint is thin and chips easily. same goes for the service coupons they know you will be in for service. punch p.s. i get a magazine and coupons from dodge in the mail all the time. and i bought a used dakota. anytime im in for routine service they call a few days later and ask how everything went etc... .

From : steve

dont be a fool and mig weld with battery connected. remove both battery cables and clamp them to each other with a pair of vice-grips. you run a very very good chance of frying everything electronic not only the computer but your abs airbag module radio ect. jim andy wrote although you really should at least disconnect the batteries ive done welding on mine with everything still hooked up before without any problems. i have a 97 dodge ram. the weld on the tailpipe bracket is broken. this sets off a terrible buzzing at certain rpm ranges. if i clean this up and use my mig welder to make the repair are there any special considerations regarding the vehicles electronics i dont want to fix the exhaust and have a truck thats not going to start/run because i fried its computer! any help you can give me would be most appreciated. .

From : dan j s

budd cochran wrote you said hang it from the rafter and you said you hoped it fell on me and killed me. right or will you lie out of it again no he did not. you have been blabbering that bull shit since it was posted back in 1999. here is his exact quote .... damn i was looking forward to the my garage fell on me post....... you came up with the stupid idea of hoisting a engine using the 2x4 rafters in your garage and after everyone in the group advised you not to you then changed your mind. beekeep then made the crack as posted and in no manner shape or form did he express any harm to you as you keep claiming. jesus christ you are becoming more senile every day. jerry -- character is doing the right thing when nobody is looking. .

From : budd cochran

beekeep wrote on sun 20 jul 2003 150537 gmt budd cochran while tied to to his computer by his kids so he wouldnt wander off mr-d150@citlink.net wrote sniped the bullshit i dont think a 25 year old model could make you happy. one big difference between us greg i have a moral code i live by and im faithful to my wife. one can put 12 hives 16x22 in the back of my van. seeing as i wouldnt try to pick one up over 125 pounds there is no way i would overload a 3/4 ton truck. where did i say you had to leave it assembled when i was in the honey business all my hives were here on the farm within 100 feet of the honey house. so any honey hauling that you are talking about is just your wandering mind trying to stir up some shit. nope you said it and now your lying your way out of it but with no morals thats to be expected. you just love to make up crap about me with absolutely nothing to back it up. i dont have to you do it to yourself every time you open your mouth about that van. sort of like the lie you started that i wished you dead. you cant prove any of it. you said hang it from the rafter and you said you hoped it fell on me and killed me. right or will you lie out of it again i dont know if you are just to phucken stupid to do a google search or just know that you have made it all up so there is no use. the net result is the same - you cant prove any of it. i dont have to. you said you hauled honey and hives and you said you did overload it. you said you hoped the engine fell on me. i think the hot desert sun out there in utah has fried your mind. i think you burned yours out with booze and drugs. . .if you ever had one. beekeep ps honey weighs 1.5 times that of water. i figured it was heavier so you needed only 2/3 as much in volume as you would have needed in water. . .so it was easier to overload it. .

From : paul jensen

customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail you know the only cars that i or a family member owned where the service folks were very nice were lexus and cadillac lines. everyone else just did not cut it. remember the dealership is a private entity. you can just go to another dealer that does care. ask here! there are some chrysler dealerships that are as good as lexus. .

From : tbone

he was due thru here il on sunday or monday 7 / 4-5 but didnt call he missed a free meal probably still settling in but some of us do miss his posts. .

From : steve

has anyone heard of or accomplished modifying an edelbrock 2176 manifold to accept an egr valve versus buying the 3776 with egr used 2176s are easy to find while the 3776 with the egr are not so prevalent on the used market. looking to modify the top end of my 86 d-150 with a performer intake and 500 or 600 cfm carb and keep the egr. cfasting at earthlink dot net .

From : steve

whats the easiest way to remove stuck exhaust manifold bolts. ive gotten 14 of 16 bolts loose but two dont what to release. im afraid of breaking them off in the head. of the ones ive removed there is significant under cutting just below the hex head actually 4 are hex nuts. ive tried wd40 on a warm not hot manifold but no luck. the engine has never had the heads off before. 1975 360 cid 42000 miles. rc .

From : steve

on sun 20 jul 2003 232334 -0400 punch 2punch.crash2000@ahm.com wrote seeing it was no going to be possible to find one with the tc i agreed to buy the truck anyways. once i bought the truck i found out both packages i wanted could have been added to this truck at the dealer for around $500. this it tells you at the dodge website. yes it does but its listed under accessories and i never looked there until i bought the truck. i now the reasons im upset with dodge are 1. why didnt any of the salesman know back in june that these options could be added on. the $500 rebate i lost would have paid for these options on the truck i bought. there was at least 2-3 salesmen working with me at each dealer. they knew but didnt want to give you the rebate. they gave me the rebate to begin with but never talked about adding the tc only the hitch. once july 1st came the rebate was gone. 3. after making the deal with family at 4.25% when i went to get the truck they wanted to charge me 4.7%. when i started to walk out they claimed they found a coupon that would bring it down to 4.29%. why do they get a kickback for higher interest um shouldnt it have been 0% i took the $3000 rebate interest at 4.25 was around $1900 so the rebate was better then 0%. also sounds like the only dealership who was a little shady was gage. punch p.s. we had the same problems buying a new ford they said we could only get certain packages in certain colors etc.... we had to take a sunroof $1000 option to get the car we wanted..... dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : tim miser

on mon 21 jul 2003 015451 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 20 jul 2003 185611 -0700 cbhvac webmaster@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote . if you think im wrong for feeling the way i do then go ahead a reply but dont attack me personally. i think you should hire somebody to buy or make the deal for you. it is evident to me that you dont have a clue when it comes to purchasing a truck. nothing personal just mho. roy why what could anyone else have done i new what i wanted and had all the info. its not my fault the dealer lost the original truck or didnt know they could add the tc. i dont think to many people would have thought of adding the tc after the fact. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : milesh

a can of kroiltm . and... a few candles at your local houze of worship should do the trick... grg whats the easiest way to remove stuck exhaust manifold bolts. ive gotten 14 of 16 bolts loose but two dont what to release. im afraid of breaking them off in the head. of the ones ive removed there is significant under cutting just below the hex head actually 4 are hex nuts. ive tried wd40 on a warm not hot manifold but no luck. the engine has never had the heads off before. 1975 360 cid 42000 miles. rc .

From : steve

on mon 21 jul 2003 180416 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote tom why do i get the impression he ranted and raved at the service managers until they darn near or did toss him out i dont think that he had any dealings with the service department. this rant is totally with new car sales. it would be more credible if he actually named them and the state that they were in. i also dont know what he expects dc to really do about it. i did name the dealers and the state is michigan for what its worth! after all what are the chances of there being three lousy dealerships they wouldnt stay in business. . . . budd unfortunately that is not true. it has become expected that the dealer is going to try and screw you over and that it is the buyers responsibility to protect themselves against it how sad. this is somewhat true to a point. i did not have any trouble buying a jeep cherokee in the late 80s not sure of the year one of the first years chrysler bought them out. again in 84 when we bought our villager and last year when we bought our buick rendezvous. all 3 times we walked in knowing the invoice price and paid invoice or within $100 each time no rebates back then. sure they made money on the kick-back but they do deserve a profit. the only times i have had trouble is trying to by a dakota first in 96 and now. in 96 i drove to a small twon noth of here and made a deal within 2 hours at invoice after spending days trying to get gage to come down to invoice. the salesman at gage in 96 quoted me an invoice price about $300 to high and when i returned with the invoice cost off the internet he told me i was wrong. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : budd cochran

i am puzzled by all the defense of dealerships and service departments. i have a 2003 dakota quad-cab that this past wednesday 7-16-2003 lost all power and the check engine light mil came on. i called the dealership a five star center whatever the hell that means and they couldnt be bothered. sorry but we are all booked up. mr. jones has to have his oil changed and the fact that your brand new truck just died means nothing to us. he suggested another dealership. so i said thank you very little and called another dealership. my truck has been sitting in the same spot now since wednesday and everytime i call to inquire i get... geez augh uhmm let me call you back and surprise no one calls me back... now there is five star service for you...same old dodge same ole crappy service. hasnt changed since i bought a lemon dodge in 86. .

From : jack

what about some of the online extended warranty i heard a few of these cover more then the companies. steve on mon 21 jul 2003 203710 -0500 dperez@junonospam.com wrote on 21 jul 2003 154405 gmt toxictavrn@aol.com toxictavrn wrote for any of you folks under the delusion that a chrysler extended warranty is/was money well spent disabuse yourself of that foolish notion! you can insert just about every brand into that sentence unfortunately i suspect youre correct... in the past ive never bothered with these cause theyre usually not worth the money. in this case we bought it because we tow a trailer and i figured we might have more problems... course we also stupidly figured those extra problems would be covered by the genuine chrysler corp added care service contract... what a joke... anybody know of an online source for a throttle position sensor for a 98 ram 5.9l dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : trey

ralph wrote forgive me the sarcasm however temper tantrums like yours irk the shit out of me. jesus fucking christ--temper tantrums you guys are more upset than he is!!! what a bunch of pissing-contest-morons. .

From : miles

not trying to impress anyone dont need to. your right about groups but there was also prodigy and delphi before compuserve and genie not sure about aol. although they were private groups they were groups and i believe delphi had some that could be accessed from outside delphi as part of the usenet system. both had nation wide access and started around the mid 80s. i was a co-host for a forum as they called them on both systems. aol was not around before the internet the internet started in the late 50s or early 60s but was very private for universities and government. it was also called arpnet back then. with the advent of tcp/ip it became much easier to network everything. the personal computer really helped as well. fyi algore did not invent the internet as he claims. however it was in fact a military funded production in the beginning that started near world war two. you know trying to decentralize communications. .

From : steve

so does that me i can use standard grade 8 bolts and or stainless i though they needed a special thread like stove bolts. nope - theyre an sae course thread 3/8-16 if i remember correctly make sure you dont use a bolt any longer than the originals to prevent bottoming out in the hole. .

From : phsabresfan

on tue 22 jul 2003 013940 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote dont know anything about heart disease do you most of the time its genetic. does either of your parents have heart trouble if so your chances of heart trouble go up by about 70%. in other words a manufacturers defect like my truck tranny you really are an asshole greg i did sign the dnr. my heart restarted on its own. and im not miserable . . my retirement plan is literally out of this world. that explains it - your mind is with your retirement plan. keep attempting to make jokes at others expense boy one say it will be your turn in the hot seat and you will get to see what its all about .

From : jack

i read the newer models were more prone to this more so then the old design. not sure if its true or not. but a truck should ride like a truck. i have a 2002 ram 1500 4x4 with 20 wheels. being new to trucks and not very familiar with their handling i have a question hopefully someone can answer. whenever i drive over railroad crossings and roadway expansion joints 25mph the rear of the truck bounces and is very annoying. i was wondering if this is normal or not and what modifications can i make to reduce this effect. thanks for responses in advance. rich k. .

From : budd cochran

dan j.s. wrote this is changing. i am not defending chrysler dealerships but for example my cadillac dealer not only came to pick up my car for an oil change they washed it and waxed it and returned it. if there was a problem all i do is call them. i dont even drive there any more. a buddy of mine that just bought a chevy trailblazer said that dealing with his dealer was also very pleasant. my dodge dealer will drive you back home or to work after you drop off your auto to the dealership. theyll also pick you back up when your auto is ready. they sometimes wash it for me but not always. .

From : tbone

or it could mean the dealership has an excellent service department fair prices and they are simply busier than a one legged man at a football kicking contest. the b-o-p / mopar dealership in canon city co was like that because they were the best place in town for service . . they even did fords chevys and caddys. otoh the local chevy-caddy dealer had a lousy service department. budd phsabresfan wrote here here!! its day 6 and my 03 dakota quad-cab still sits in the same spot where it as been since being towed to the five star service center - whatever that means... dc has no customer service.. i will never spend a penny on ford... i customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : painl

overload it according to the weights i found especially if its the long wheelbase extended body van . . youve never said it wasnt and thats the most common body style for 3/4 ton vans. i can only work with the info i have. hives filled with bees and honey would hardly overload it as well. why are you so worried about something that i gave you credit for being smart enough to not do based on the number of bee stings ive had did i give you too much credit budd . 222 264116 3f1db18f.63822925@citlink.net i got an email from nate and hes posted a report at his 7slot website. budd roger covalt wrote probably still settling in but some of us do miss his posts. .

From : jeb

theres been a lot of chatter on the ng lately about factory service contracts. for an illuminating listen call 877 262-8765 its toll free between 7am and 7pm cdt and listen to the first 30 seconds then decide if those bargain contracts are really worth it. mike p.s. the whole story will follow.... .

From : paul jensen

roy you are right dealership management has a lot to do with the service rendered but all those goodies that everyone raves about have to be paid for somehow. guess who pays for em hint it aint the dealer! seriously if you look at the statements from a caddy store vs say a chevy store you will find that the gross profit on each sale is much higher at the caddy store! simple economics if you make more gross you can afford to give more away. the caddy loaner cars are subsidized by gm to the caddy store. keep in mind that the caddy division also makes a much larger gross per car than the chevy division. gross profit i might remind everyone comes from the consumer. so enjoy the loaner car wash etc. that you are paying for! mike roy wrote if that is the case dc had better go for a refresher course. the caddy dealership sue takes her car to is fantastic if they keep the car overnight for parts they put her in a new caddy not a escort. thats a caddy dealership. you wont get the same service with other less expensive gms autos unless youre lucky to find a great dealership. maybe its all in the presentation. as i said the chevy dealership isnt quite as good but they are way ahead of any dc dealer ive had to go to. let me assure you the corvette z06 cost a bit more than sues eldo. i really dont think the cost of the product has a damn thing to do with it. it is the guy who runs the service dept the person who schedules the appointments the parts guy the owner and ultimately the fellows who turn the wrenchs. also the customer can alienate the entire dealership with his/her attitude. roy .

From : punch

adam root@localhost wrote my 99 dakota 4x4 3.9l v6 80k miles according to the dealer requires the manifold gasket to be replaced as a part of it is being sucked in. i mentioned that the gasket had been fixed while the truck was under warranty and asked what assurance i had that gasket number three wouldnt fail. he said that originally the gaskets were paper. when my first gasket failed it was replaced by another paper gasket. but now the gaskets are metal. vehicle warranties are never an assurance that parts will not fail the warranty is merely an assurance that the manufacturer will correct the problem during the term of the warranty. that term has expired as you knew it would. this to me suggests that dodge recognized a shortcoming in their gaskets -- after all i cant be the only one consuming them -- and fixed it by changing the material. maybe so maybe not. now that the vehicle is out of warranty the dealership is free to source the replacement gaskets from the aftermarket which very well explains the steel re-inforced gasket. as long as theyve been in the car-makin biz they should know what works and what doesnt. irrelevant its got to do with cutting costs and playing the odds that it wont fail during the warranty period and if it does cutting costs to make the repair. my 3.9 dakota is eight years old with 60 thousand miles on it. the intake gaskets are doing just fine which is a good thing because im usually very busy replacing intake gaskets on gm and ford products for my customers. i therefore felt that dodge owed me a new gasket and called them up to tell them so. the customer service rep informed me that the replacement gasket was out of warranty because its been more than 12000 miles and longer than 12 months. well duh. i didnt call asking about a warranty replacement. then why did you call the warranty period terms and conditions for your truck should have been well documented i.e. 3/36 or 7/70. if your truck had required no warranty work or less than the average for that particular model would it have been okay for chrysler to call -you- and ask for more money against the original sales price because the truck was built better than they had anticipated either way the local truck customizer shop folks think chrysler is feeding me a line of bs and should be liable for faulty parts. does this local truck customizer warranty his work and products forever i highly doubt it. i feel it would be reasonable as well. do you warranty forever whatever it is you do or produce for a living am i expecting too much yes. a truck is a mechanical device mechanical devices suffer problems especially after having been driven 80 thousand miles. either way chrysler is losing a customer in me. then eventually you will run out of companies to buy vehicles from because they all break and no manufacturer has liberal enough warranty policys to cover what youre expecting to be covered here. i will perhaps consider a new dodge vehicle in the future but i will no longer be patronizing any dealership service departments unless i absolutely have to; and will certainly not be buying mopar parts w/ the crummy warranty. i dont see the logic in this. you bought a truck under set conditions. further more mopar parts are no worse than any other oem replacement part on the market hell theyre probably made on a parallel line with the ones for ford gm and toyota since many parts are outsourced from smaller manufacturers. .

From : trey

help.. my husband just purchased an 03 2500 quad cab but he hates the door chimes.. does anyone know how to remove them.. he is getting ready to do something drastic... suzy .

From : Annonymous

hell go get a couple of those k$n thingys while your at it. figure its the weekend and id toss it into the mix.bfg dont forget the kabuki throttle body !!!!! didnt you hear the with a couple of the k&n thingys on top of each other ya dont need no throttle body. thats why nobody has heard from the kabuki folks. bfg roy .

From : trey

hey cbhvac who made you the boss of this group. ive seen more post from you jumping on others for what they post. if you dont like what we say dont read it! thats what i do. there is no way i can read all those threds! i hardly skim a third of them. .

From : roy

well....its sure obvious that schools out...the kiddies are out in force.. roy...0 steve-2 lol! huh now what did i miss roy .

From : Annonymous

customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. why not be useful and name the dealerships instead of just trolling... .

From : trey

i posted my reasons in a previous post and the funny thing was the same people jumped all over me then but never once read the post. as for merit...does your post have merit just because its long not. i just posted a short opinion this group can not solve the problem. i already talked with the vp of media relations at dc and was told so sorry we will file your complaint. on sat 19 jul 2003 221924 gmt trey treydog90@hotmail.com wrote maybe if your post had some merit to it then we would understand but coming here and just saying they have bad service holds no merit. saying you were waiting in the lobby for an hour while the girl at the front desk was on the phone with her girlfriend for an hour. might do something but then why didnt you take your complaint to the manager dealership owner regional rep etc.... sure i can come on here and say i will never buy a dodge again! but why does anyone care what you do what led you to this decision did you just wake up one day on the wrong side of the bed take your dodge in and but heard with the service rep who it totally swamped and so from this one almost bad experience you will never buy a dodge again that is the problem with the internet. anyone can post anything they like. yeah this whole first amendment thing is great you can speak your mind. ok... speak! give us the whole story not just the conclusion. too many people just post comments that dont mean anything and expect the whole group to feel sorry for them and pool together and buy them a gift package to make it up to them. if you posted your issues on the group all along then the group could have helped you resolve the problem in a mature manor instead of just posting unmerited rants that no one cares about. if you come in here and act unprofessional then no one will take you seriously and they will just poke fun at you. since you know its their right to poke fun at you as much as it is your right to post crap. insert flames here--- boy some people just dont understand that groups are for everyone not just the select few who think they own it. this is a dodge group and i can post my feeling about them. if not then show me where it tells me you own this group. grow up and get a life. dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : roy

i posted my reasons in a previous post and the funny thing was the same people jumped all over me then but never once read the post. as for merit...does your post have merit just because its long not. i just posted a short opinion this group can not solve the problem. i already talked with the vp of media relations at dc and was told so sorry we will file your complaint. on sat 19 jul 2003 221924 gmt trey treydog90@hotmail.com wrote ahhh there we go! you did take action! why didnt you mention that before besides what were you expecting when you posted that .

From : paul jensen

hi everyone- i have a dakota that i tricked out and i now need to sell the extra parts. i bought a new hood with scoop. boy it looks good . i had a time getting it painted but i am now satified. i would like to get $120.00 for the one i took off.i have nice pics if needed. i now have it listed on ebay but will sell off ebay also. go dakota!!!durb---- any pics of the truck .

From : Annonymous

i didnt name the dealerships because it involves 3 dealerships in my area plus one on the other side of the state. i also felt all the replies i received from dc showed the company was only out for the money and not customer satisfaction. their reply was basically the same each time our dealerships do not represent our products. i hope we can earn your faith again in dc products. this leaves me to believe its dcs way of doing business. people can claim all dealerships are the same and are not the company but they are our only contact with their products. after going through what i did i had talked to a few friends who just bought trucks from the local ford dealer and i could not believe their comments about the dealer and ford. they received calls from both the dealer and a ford rep mailings from ford with coupons for free or reduced price on service and even touch-up paint for their trucks. i feel this type of contact is beyond what dc would do and shows what companies really care about their customers. on sat 19 jul 2003 182110 -0500 paul jensen pjensen@gnt.net wrote customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. why not be useful and name the dealerships instead of just trolling... dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : paul jensen

about that lowering thing.........did you get the fuzzy dice for the rear-view mirror coon-tail for the antenna curb feelers are you happy that you have taken a decent vehicle and turned it a piece of shit do you enjoy pissing money away just curious has anyone had problem with burning paint on r/t dakotas when you run the 2 tail pipes out the back. i took off bumper and added panal to fit pipe ends .i have pipes ran out back and made it specially for looks. i lowered the truck to trick out but the pipes banged at times so i went to muffler shop and made reajustments but now i have noticed a slight burning in my new 6000 paint job just above the pipe. ahhhh. maybe i will need to reroute the pipes bigger pipes to lessen heat any suggestions thanks and go dakotas!durb-- okay gary since youre the king of cool whats cool among you and your friends no one least of all i ever said i was king of cool...............except you i may not agree with mannys choice of style but at least he has some... yes retro-rectal .

From : tbone

i did not mean to start a war here i just wanted a simple answer... am i overlooking a sight glass on my durango geez.... james .

From : Annonymous

this up and use my mig welder to make the repair are there any special considerations regarding the vehicles electronics i dont want to fix the exhaust and have a truck thats not going to start/run because i fried its computer! any help you can give me would be most appreciated. ive welded on our trucks before. even though disconnecting the battery and keeping the ground clamp close to the work is probably enough i always take the extra step and disconnect the computer as well. disconnect the battery first then remove the bolt in the middle of the pcm connector and remove the connector. when re-assembling obviously re-connect the pcm first and the battery last. .

From : cbhvac

i didnt name the dealerships because it involves 3 dealerships in my area plus one on the other side of the state. i also felt all the replies i received from dc showed the company was only out for the money and not customer satisfaction. their reply was basically the same each time our dealerships do not represent our products. i hope we can earn your faith again in dc products. who cares if you were dealing with multiple dealerships. if all three of them treated you badly then you should name all three of them. what did you expect dc to do they dont own the dealerships so they cannot fire anyone. it is sad to say but in a situation like this dc is going to look at the numbers before attempting any reprimands against a particular dealership and the more that the dealership sells the more tolerant dc is going to be of their actions. as i said before if you really feel that they did wrong by you then name them and save others from their bullshit or do you feel that you are also at fault in the situation by not walking right out the door the minute that they started their shit if you dont name them you are just whining in here and will have to deal with the attacks that you are getting. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

i have a 97 dodge ram. the weld on the tailpipe bracket is broken. this sets off a terrible buzzing at certain rpm ranges. if i clean this up and use my mig welder to make the repair are there any special considerations regarding the vehicles electronics i dont want to fix the exhaust and have a truck thats not going to start/run because i fried its computer! any help you can give me would be most appreciated. .

From : ralph

gheeze! a rocket scientist and i thought this was just for fun. joe on sat 19 jul 2003 161742 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote nosey i am not disputing the fact that synthetic oil has some superior properties vis a vis conventional oil. my point is do these superior properties provide any benefit to the average consumer my position is that unless you operate your vehicle under some very specific conditions synthetics are not a cost effective alternative to conventional oils. you can certainly and correctly! point out that the pour point is lower for synthetics the resistance to shear is superior with synthetics etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum however unless your application your specific use can take advantage of these superior characteristics their presence in the product is meaningless and more costly! to you. being an electrical engineer i will offer you this analogy. you have a circuit of defined voltage and ampacity. you will never intendknowingly or unknowingly to exceed these well defined parameters. based upon this information you select the proper wire gauge and insulation for the circuit. for the sake of this discussion you select a14 awg conductor with pvc insulation. this wire gauge is sufficient for the intended current and the insulation is sufficient for the environment. now i could have selected 12 awg with a ptfe insulator. the 12 awg has superior ampacity and the ptfe insulator can handle a higher ambient temperature along with a more corrosive environment. does that mean its better for some applications yes... for my application no! therefore to install this wire would a. supply me with no tangible benefit and b. prove to be more costly. the same analogy can be carried over to the argument of conventional vs. synthetic oils. hope this clarifies my position. mike joe yer wastin yer time! ive been saying in this ng for years that synthetic starts off life as crude just like dino oil but no one seems to listen... sigh.... my preference of course is to call dino conventional oil and synthetic synthetic but no one seems to want to adopt my convention. 8-------------------------------------------- not meant to be an amsoil plug but it explains it well. plagiarized from http//www.paonline.com/amsdill/syntheticoil/ have you ever wondered why synthetic oil is more expensive than petroleum oil and if its worth it well ive done some research and this is what i came up with. the reason it is more expensive is because of how it is made. the name synthetic means that it is chemically synthesized from different hydrocarbons. they start with a hydrocarbon then derive the gas ethylene and then chemically synthesize that into the base stock for synthetic oil polyalphaolefin or pao. premium additives also add to the cost and are beneficial for reducing friction resisting oxidation and thermal breakdown and eliminating sludge and varnish formation. so what does all that mean to you because the oil is synthesized from the same molecule the molecules of the base stock of synthetic oil are of all the same size and there is no impurity. this causes the synthetic oil to be more stable and will enable it do a better job of lubrication. so when you heat the synthetic oil it is less volatile or when you freeze the oil it will pour when petroleum oil is solid. also over extended use the synthetic oil will retain its same lubricating quality longer. in contrast petroleum oils molecules are of different sizes and shapes and some of the molecules are undesirable. i hate to point out the obvious but they do pump it out of the ground. refining will remove most but not all of the impurities. the oils viscosity and lubricating quality will change overtime because the smaller molecules will burn off. this process will also cause acids and sludge to form in the oil. i have tried oil additives and found little benefit from them. especially when compared to the tangible and tested benefits of amsoil synthetic oil. ill let you make up your own mind on this topic but please check out this link from the federal trade commission. federal trade commission .

From : guy newton

dperez@junonospam.com wrote so if im understanding this topic correctly i dont think you are. the problem is that there are so many broken down dodges sitting at dealers that theyve got enough work and dont have any impetus to treat the customer any better than they absolutely have to... no its more like the customer whos vehicle broke first and called and made an appointment first gets his/her vehicle serviced first. the ones who broke last and called and made an appointment last get their vehicle serviced last. which would explain why when i went into the local selling dealer which i havent been to in 4 1/2 years since they last screwed up a repair on my truck and requested that a technician accompany me for a test drive to verify a torque converter lock/unlock problem that was presenting at that moment... they were too busy... suppose that it was -your- vehicle that mechanic was working on and joe blow walked in without being properly scheduled asking to interupt the mechanic working on your vehicle and now completion of your vehicle has been delayed and it wont be ready when it was originally promised how would you feel about that suppose that interupting the mechanic while he was working on your vehicle caused him to lose track of where he was in the procedure and the repair turned out less than satisfactory how would you feel about that suppose that interupting the mechanic working on your vehicle means he gets to the parts counter one minute after the 3 pm cut off for parts delivery and now instead of getting the part on the overnite shipment and having your vehicle back on the road by 10 am the next day there is going to be another whole day delay before the part arrives how would you feel about that so ill find a different dealer again and with a little luck itll be another 4 1/2 years before i go back in there... oh and while i agree that some customers have a poor attitude at dealers it would be very good for the dealer to remember that those same customers will recommend that their friends family acquaintances and co-workers buy from that dealer or from a different one. and 1 pissed off customer will tell a whole lot more people about their shabby treatment than a happy one will tell of their good treatment... well this could easily include the person who -should- have been served -first- because they were there -first- but got bumped or their repair was delayed because of an interuption. so; who do you try to satisfy the person who made an appointment and showed up on time or the person who walks in with unrealistic expectations and demands more importantly who do you think that shop -wants- as a customer .

From : joseph myers

lets say you manufacture a darn good electric widget. now im a store owner and i buy these widgets to resell. unfortunately im an asshole and treat my customers poorly. they should a boycott your product b seek another outlet with better customer service c sit home and feel sorry for themselves my dodge dealer even calls me on the phone the day after an oil change to ensure all is right in the world. if you have doubts about a dealers service reputation walk in to the waiting room and ask the people getting their vehicles serviced how theyre treated etc. i have just enough conventional wisdom to know that you do some homework before you pick a dealership. forgive me the sarcasm however temper tantrums like yours irk the shit out of me. what if your wife wants another car built by dc will you still say no ralph i didnt name the dealerships because it involves 3 dealerships in my area plus one on the other side of the state. i also felt all the replies i received from dc showed the company was only out for the money and not customer satisfaction. their reply was basically the same each time our dealerships do not represent our products. i hope we can earn your faith again in dc products. this leaves me to believe its dcs way of doing business. people can claim all dealerships are the same and are not the company but they are our only contact with their products. after going through what i did i had talked to a few friends who just bought trucks from the local ford dealer and i could not believe their comments about the dealer and ford. they received calls from both the dealer and a ford rep mailings from ford with coupons for free or reduced price on service and even touch-up paint for their trucks. i feel this type of contact is beyond what dc would do and shows what companies really care about their customers. on sat 19 jul 2003 182110 -0500 paul jensen pjensen@gnt.net wrote customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. why not be useful and name the dealerships instead of just trolling... dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .

From : punch

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