New Ford Heavy Duty w/twin turbos?
From : geekboy
Q: anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
Replies:
From : tom lawrence
because the fords variable turbo or its new twin turbos are simply going to spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. and why wont the cummins vg turbo spool just as quickly .
From : roy
i just talked to wagner you are correct marco doesnt make one for a ford. im wondering if somebody is hacking them. his had 3 levels economy towing and all the smoke. you downloaded the program into the ob but could remove it at will with no trace. hmm.... bullydog maybe nope it is a sct. same deal as a smarty. got my wires crossed sorry. www.sctflash.com .
From : tbone
when did they start using them -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving because the fords variable turbo or its new twin turbos are simply going to spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. and why wont the cummins vg turbo spool just as quickly .
From : tbone
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. well thats the problem. at lower end you need more rpms to run the turbos and i think most fords do not have manual transmission. that is the advantage of the twin turbo system. the turbines in the smaller turbos have much less mass which allows them to spool up faster and require less exhaust pressure to do it which significantly reduces the probl
From : tbone
is that on the new fords or on the previous models if that problem is with the previous models that may be why they possibly went with two standard turbos of smaller size then the one large variable one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you can take this with a grain of salt i overheard a conversation while in truckpro the other day. they say ford dealers have stacks of turbos theyre replacing and the word from ford is dont idle them and dont let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. fwiw ymmv. it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : geekboy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. well thats the problem. at lower end you need more rpms to run the turbos and i think most fords do not have manual transmission. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it if it was a manual trans to get more rpms hence more power all i would of had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed power. what else you going to do with automatic shift to to neutral rev up the engine and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up .
From : roy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. well thats the problem. at lower end you need more rpms to run the turbos and i think most fords do not have manual transmission. hence 2 turbos!! last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it if it was a manual trans to get more rpms hence more power all i would of had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed power. huh your clutch wont last too long following that procedure. what else you going to do with automatic shift to to neutral rev up the engine and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up i guess it is probably better to go with the standard. put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what 2500 then i guess you dump the clutch get out of the truck and pick up the parts. .
From : geekboy
350 hp and 650 tq according to web site thats it another $3gs or more for an extra tiny horse power and torque which you can already get from the cummins .
From : tbone
you had with your single large turbo. as for the transmission the ford dealers order most of their stock trucks with the automatic just like most dodge dealers because everyone knows how to drive them and most prefer them over manual shift which makes them easier to sell. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it if it was a manual trans to get more rpms hence more power all i would of had to do was push in the clutch and release slowly to get the needed power. and you would cook your clutch in fairly short order. just keep it in a lower gear until the boost builds up and you can do that with either type of trans. what else you going to do with automatic shift to to neutral rev up the engine and slam it into drive hoping you did not screw the tranny up just lock it into first gear until the boost comes up. the tc will give you the slip you need in the mean time. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 330768 45da2dd4$0$28166$4c368faf@roadrunner.com yea but you will get it much quicker with the ford. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 350 hp and 650 tq according to web site thats it another $3gs or more for an extra tiny horse power and torque which you can already get from the cummins .
From : tbone
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. yep. although from what ive read the variable geometry turbos are pretty good at doing that as well but they have more moving parts and are more expensive. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it probably shifting into the higher gears too soon and not allowing the turbo to spool up as fast as he wants. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : bigironram
you can take this with a grain of salt i overheard a conversation while in truckpro the other day. they say ford dealers have stacks of turbos theyre replacing and the word from ford is dont idle them and dont let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. fwiw ymmv. it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : tbone
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : geekboy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : scott hendryx
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .
From : roy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. yep. although from what ive read the variable geometry turbos are pretty good at doing that as well but they have more moving parts and are more expensive. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it probably shifting into the higher gears too soon and not allowing the turbo to spool up as fast as he wants. reading his post i was under the impression he was talking about a loaded truck from a dead stop. .
From : napalmheart
why havent the manufacturers used superchargers it seems that would eliminate a lot of the lag. ken is that on the new fords or on the previous models if that problem is with the previous models that may be why they possibly went with two standard turbos of smaller size then the one large variable one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you can take this with a grain of salt i overheard a conversation while in truckpro the other day. they say ford dealers have stacks of turbos theyre replacing and the word from ford is dont idle them and dont let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. fwiw ymmv. it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variab
From : tom lawrence
yea but you will get it much quicker with the ford. how do you figure .
From : tom lawrence
and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. then theres something wrong with your truck. with the torque converter unlocked you should have been over 2000 rpms with the pedal floored. oh thats right - youve got a dtt converter in there.... probably way too tight for a stock engine. its not the fault of the truck or its transmission - you altered the way its supposed to perform. .
From : tbone
because superchargers use some of the engines power to make power and that reduces mpg and superchargers are nowhere near as controllable as turbos have become. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving why havent the manufacturers used superchargers it seems that would eliminate a lot of the lag. ken is that on the new fords or on the previous models if that problem is with the previous models that may be why they possibly went with two standard turbos of smaller size then the one large variable one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you can take this with a grain of salt i overheard a conversation while in truckpro the other day. they say ford dealers have stacks of turbos theyre replacing and the word from ford is dont idle them and dont let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. fwiw ymmv. it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : tbone
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. yep. although from what ive read the variable geometry turbos are pretty good at doing that as well but they have more moving parts and are more expensive. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it probably shifting into the higher gears too soon and not allowing the turbo to spool up as fast as he wants. reading his post i was under the impression he was talking about a loaded truck from a dead stop. i was as well and came to the conclusion that he thinks that the auto trans is upshifting before his turbo spools up enough to give him the boost he wants but i could be wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tom lawrence
i just talked to wagner you are correct marco doesnt make one for a ford. im wondering if somebody is hacking them. his had 3 levels economy towing and all the smoke. you downloaded the program into the ob but could remove it at will with no trace. hmm.... bullydog maybe .
From : geekboy
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. if it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving probably an old 12 valve lol that may be the case but my buddies f350 stomped on a cummins ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .
From : big al
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. al .
From : geekboy
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. why is that the gear ratio is highermaking it easier for the engine to turn the rear wheels al .
From : tbone
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. you got it backwards dude he went from a 3.5 to a 3.73 -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
then that ford was far from stock. iirc in 96 the powerstrokes were only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new dodge stock. the dodge wasnt new it was about 2 years old probably an 05. dodges have been making 325hp since 04.5 yea with a big non-variable turbo that took its sweet ass time spooling up compared to the variable type that the ford uses. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : boomtown
the dodge was running biodeisel and the driver didnt relize the ford had mashed it until too late it was taking off so slowly. - hard to make up four or five truck lengths over a 1/4 mile. roy@home.net wrote nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. if it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. i still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! roy .
From : roy
talking 05-07 vintage the high reving ferd and cheby v8 deisels will beat the stock dodge cummins by a car legnth or less all other things being equal a good driver can make a difference. based on my experience i have to disagree. as i said to get around me he had to get a smarty. true the driver can make a difference but hes pretty sharp he runs a pro street. with $2000 you cant do much to a ferd or cheby but you can make that cummins go like a bat out of $%#@ and will wip the ferd and cheby easily for years and years to come. for under $700.00 you can program in 60 plus hp look here www.madselectronics.com with unlimited money talking perhaps $100000 you can make the cheby a monster for at least a couple weeks before you need to start all over aggain..... dont know where your getting your figures from. .
From : boomtown
talking 05-07 vintage the high reving ferd and cheby v8 deisels will beat the stock dodge cummins by a car legnth or less all other things being equal a good driver can make a difference. with $2000 you cant do much to a ferd or cheby but you can make that cummins go like a bat out of $%#@ and will wip the ferd and cheby easily for years and years to come. with unlimited money talking perhaps $100000 you can make the cheby a monster for at least a couple weeks before you need to start all over aggain..... roy@home.net wrote nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. did the guy in the cummins know he was in a race i have a friend that bought a new ford f350 ps last october. he thought it was real quick so we went to a deserted area of the highway. from the a stop he pulled me by about a1/2 length due to tire spin but by the time we were at 50mph i was by him and pulled to about 2 lengths @100. tried it twice more and the results were the same but we left together. he went out and bought a bhaf and a 5 exhaust. didnt seem to matter much the results were about the same. now hes pissed buys a smarty. boy do those things work! if they had one for the cummins id have bought one and really pissed him off. both trucks were auto 4x4 with 411 or whatever rear gears. mine was a 04 qc. .
From : roy
actually it was never intended as a race. so your buddies f350 didnt stomp on a cummins ram. .
From : big al
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. you got it backwards dude he went from a 3.5 to a 3.73 so much for me helping misread the post sorry al .
From : roy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it .
From : scott
something..... the engine rpms drop pretty quickly and you feel as though you are thrown forward when it happens... any idea as to what is occuring i havent changed fluid or filter nor have i adjusted bands in 50k miles....so im due for that.....but to me it doesnt seem like what i am feeling is due to old fluid as it is still red and smells as it should ie---doesnt smell burnt thanks for the help... rich . 222 330736 1171896030.929294.52140@a75g2000cwd.googlegroups.com see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. .
From : chad
350 hp and 650 tq according to web site .
From : roy
and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. then theres something wrong with your truck. with the torque converter unlocked you should have been over 2000 rpms with the pedal floored. oh thats right - youve got a dtt converter in there.... probably way too tight for a stock engine. its not the fault of the truck or its transmission - you altered the way its supposed to perform. hmmmm i guess it is all in what you tell dtt what you are using the truck for. i had one of their transmissions and converter in my 2k. but i also told them it was going to plow and tow a bit with it. it worked real well. .
From : bigironram
they were talking 07s so i guess its the twin turbo model one thing about hanging around those places you either get really good info or its totally whacked out not much in between. this one seemed on the level else i wouldnt have passed it on. i hope its either not true or its exaggerated. is that on the new fords or on the previous models if that problem is with the previous models that may be why they possibly went with two standard turbos of smaller size then the one large variable one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you can take this with a grain of salt i overheard a conversation while in truckpro the other day. they say ford dealers have stacks of turbos theyre replacing and the word from ford is dont idle them and dont let them sit for two weeks or more without starting them else the varible vanes lock up and require replacement. fwiw ymmv. it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan
From : geekboy
turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving see the ad in the paper few days ago. said 6.4l twin turbo but didnt say how much power or tourqe it had. i thought the new body style looked like crap. on feb 19 340 am geekboy n...@nerdy.com wrote anyone see the ad yet i have not gone to the web site site but i wonder how much that extra turbo is helping the engine. and the front end is a bit too roundish making it look a bit like it burns rice than diesel. . 222 330787 45da82b4$0$16938$4c368faf@roadrunner.com and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. then theres something wrong with your truck. with the torque converter unlocked you should have been over 2000 rpms with the pedal floored. oh thats right - youve got a dtt converter in there.... probably way too tight for a stock engine. its not the fault of the truck or its transmission - you altered the way its supposed to perform. what better it also has the smartcontroller tha goes along with it and i alterd nothing. .
From : geekboy
and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. then theres something wrong with your truck. with the torque converter unlocked you should have been over 2000 rpms with the pedal floored. oh thats right - youve got a dtt converter in there.... probably way too tight for a stock engine. its not the fault of the truck or its transmission - you altered the way its supposed to perform. hmmmm i guess it is all in what you tell dtt what you are using the truck for. i had one of their transmissions and converter in my 2k. but i also told them it was going to plow and tow a bit with it. it worked real well. the guy who owned it pulled th wheel travel trailer. and towing perforance works very well. .
From : tom lawrence
when did they start using them read up on the specs. of the 6.7l engine... .
From : tom lawrence
then that ford was far from stock. iirc in 96 the powerstrokes were only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new dodge stock. the dodge wasnt new it was about 2 years old probably an 05. dodges have been making 325hp since 04.5 .
From : geekboy
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. if it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. i still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! i never took it in. i do know sometimes my perforance chip does not turn on or activate when i turn on the truck causing significant power reduction. roy .
From : tbone
im using his words not mine. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving actually it was never intended as a race. so your buddies f350 didnt stomp on a cummins ram. .
From : tom lawrence
yea with a big non-variable turbo that took its sweet ass time spooling up compared to the variable type that the ford uses. really a 96 powerstroke with the ih 7.3l used a vg turbo .
From : tom lawrence
based on my experience i have to disagree. as i said to get around me he had to get a smarty. when did marco ever make a smarty for the fords for under $700.00 you can program in 60 plus hp look here www.madselectronics.com im looking... wheres the ford products .
From : roy
based on my experience i have to disagree. as i said to get around me he had to get a smarty. when did marco ever make a smarty for the fords hell i cant find it either. iirc we wrote about it a couple of months ago in a thread. at that time there wasnt one for my available for my truck. back then i was getting info from wagner& assoc. ive a call in to the friend that has it on his ford. .
From : roy
based on my experience i have to disagree. as i said to get around me he had to get a smarty. when did marco ever make a smarty for the fords for under $700.00 you can program in 60 plus hp look here www.madselectronics.com im looking... wheres the ford products i just talked to wagner you are correct marco doesnt make one for a ford. im wondering if somebody is hacking them. his had 3 levels economy towing and all the smoke. you downloaded the program into the ob but could remove it at will with no trace. when i hear from him ill let you know what was done to it. .
From : big al
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. al .
From : roy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... if it was a auto hed probably be low 13s. 14.2 isnt bad at all. his mph is good as well. was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. ah al whats in the trailer roy al .
From : geekboy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. or you could power shift. that is quickly shift gears and never let off the diesel pedal. al .
From : geekboy
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. if it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. i still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! yeah it must have been the power chip that was offline for a few moments. it does that sometimes i went out today and put the foot on the fuel pedal while braking. the rpms kept going up and rear wheels started to spin once rpms got up to about 2000. roy .
From : roy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. thats a very common practice in racin. .
From : big al
ah al whats in the trailer roy whatever furniture cars you name it. i have three drag race cars. all ot here. the fastest runs high 8s @ 155 mph and has doors al .
From : geekboy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. thats a very common practice in racin. it is now. back then it was not. the audi quattro hit the market maybe 15 years ago. .
From : roy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. thats a very common practice in racin. it is now. back then it was not. the audi quattro hit the market maybe 15 years ago. back then im from back theng how do you think a circle car sets up for a turn been that way forever. .
From : big al
there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. was driving down the road one night in my ot 5.0 5 speed car. some guy comes up on the right side of me in a turbo supra. he revs the engine a few times to get my attention then stands on the gas and holds the car even with mine with his brakes. tried my best to tease him into burning something up but it didnt work them damned things run. saw a different guy with a slower supra dust off a hennsey viper from a slow roll. the viper got away first thanks to turbo lag then it was all toyota. they stopped and bsed a while. talk about a pissed off dodge owner. that supra ran 10.60s in street trim and its not a fast one. here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming al .
From : nosey
big al wrote here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. just tried the link works here al it worked for me. is that dragstrip down-hill direct youtube link http//www.youtube.com/watchv=fdh3wi90r9u -- ken .
From : roy
big al wrote here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. just tried the link works here al it worked for me. is that dragstrip down-hill looks like the shut down is uphill. beats the hell out of running off into a sand trap. direct youtube link http//www.youtube.com/watchv=fdh3wi90r9u this worked just fine. thanks you. roy ken .
From : big al
here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. just tried the link works here al .
From : denny
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. thats a very common practice in racin. it is now. back then it was not. the audi quattro hit the market maybe 15 years ago. back then im from back theng somebody else has seen the light!!!! vbfg denny how do you think a circle car sets up for a turn been that way forever. .
From : geekboy
it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. well its not liek its a racing truck. when i floor the accellerator by boost goes up quit quick. it also does not help if you are pulling from a stand still. as i understand it that is the reason for the 2 turbos. quicker low end grunt. yep. although from what ive read the variable ge
From : big al
pretty good at doing that as well but they have more moving parts and are more expensive. last year i was in a moutainous area with nearly a max load. i some performance goodies on it too. i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. what does the automatic have to do with it probably shifting into the higher gears too soon and not allowing the turbo to spool up as fast as he wants. reading his post i was under the impression he was talking about a loaded truck from a dead stop. i was as well and came to the conclusion that he thinks that the auto trans is upshifting before his turbo spools up enough to give him the boost he wants but i could be wrong. no. i have a dtt smartcontroller i activate while towing which allows for longer shift times etc. i was talking about a heavy load from a full stop going up a 10% or more incline. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 330790 45da9477$0$25776$815e3792@.qwest.net i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear al .
From : geekboy
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. al .
From : roy
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear al with a dtt they make the converter/ trans per the specs of your truck and the intended use. i never had that problem. with the dtt it was instant on. that is with a cummins not a ps. roy .
From : chris thompson
i guess it is probably better to go with the standard. put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what 2500 then i guess you dump the clutch get out of the truck and pick up the parts. thats probably exactly what he would do....he doesnt seem to understand that 0 mph = 0 rpm on the input shaft. with the clutch engaged that means 0 engine rpm also. thus no boost. atleast the auto will allow the engine to spool up some since the torque converter is a hydraulic coupling. i damn sure wouldnt complain that the trans wasnt getting the job done because i had my truck so over loaded that it couldnt pull off from a stop. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : geekboy
i guess it is probably better to go with the standard. put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what 2500 then i guess you dump the clutch get out of the truck and pick up the parts. thats probably exactly what he would do....he doesnt seem to understand that 0 mph = 0 rpm on the input shaft. with the clutch engaged that means 0 engine rpm also. thus no boost. atleast the auto will allow the engine to spool up some since the torque converter is a hydraulic coupling. i damn sure wouldnt complain that the trans wasnt getting the job done because i had my truck so over loaded that it couldnt pull off from a stop. it was not overloaded. i was outpulling gassers going up a moutain only pulling their ligh weight fiberglass boats. next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : chris thompson
been there done that -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. i guess it is probably better to go with the standard. put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what 2500 then i guess you dump the clutch get out of the truck and pick up the parts. thats probably exactly what he would do....he doesnt seem to understand that 0 mph = 0 rpm on the input shaft. with the clutch engaged that means 0 engine rpm also. thus no boost. atleast the auto will allow the engine to spool up some since the torque converter is a hydraulic coupling. i damn sure wouldnt complain that the trans wasnt getting the job done because i had my truck so over loaded that it couldnt pull off from a stop. it was not overloaded. i was outpulling gassers going up a moutain only pulling their ligh weight fiberglass boats. next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : tbone
because the fords variable turbo or its new twin turbos are simply going to spool up faster and give you maximum boost sooner. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yea but you will get it much quicker with the ford. how do you figure .
From : roy
i guess it is probably better to go with the standard. put it in first with the clutch pedal depressed bring the rpm up to what 2500 then i guess you dump the clutch get out of the truck and pick up the parts. thats probably exactly what he would do....he doesnt seem to understand that 0 mph = 0 rpm on the input shaft. with the clutch engaged that means 0 engine rpm also. thus no boost. atleast the auto will allow the engine to spool up some since the torque converter is a hydraulic coupling. i damn sure wouldnt complain that the trans wasnt getting the job done because i had my truck so over loaded that it couldnt pull off from a stop. it was not overloaded. i was outpulling gassers going up a moutain only pulling their ligh weight fiberglass boats. next time try pulluing from a dead stop goingup more than a 10% incline.. im sure by now you have it fixed. what did they find wrong with it .
From : tbone
lol that may be the case but my buddies f350 stomped on a cummins ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .
From : geekboy
probably an old 12 valve lol that may be the case but my buddies f350 stomped on a cummins ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .
From : tbone
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving probably an old 12 valve lol that may be the case but my buddies f350 stomped on a cummins ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know
From : roy
while you guys are dissin fords. about four years ago there was a guy here in tucson doing propane conversions on cars and trucks. part of this disaster.http//www.stateline.org/live/viewpage.actionsitenodeid=136&langu ageid=1&contentid=14196 he had a dually quad cab 4x4 ford with a six speed manual transmission. had some mods and a propane injector. i watched him run 14.20 @ 98 mph here in tucson. 3000 foot elevation and hot. what you cant imagine is how long each shift took. he was shifting it so slow. if that thing was an automatic.... was going to point you to his web page but its screwed up. he had some pictures of the truck there. last time i talked to him he was screwing with a dodge ctd. was getting over 1000 pounds of torque out of it with propane injection and very few mods. my truck is a six speed 04.5 ctd and its slow. im not willing to bang gears in it and at each shift it falls off the turbo. by time the boost comes up its time to shift. since i did not buy it to drag race its fine by me easily pulls my 24 race car trailer and thats what matters. there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. thats a very common practice in racin. it is now. back then it was not. the audi quattro hit the market maybe 15 years ago. back then im from back theng somebody else has seen the light!!!! vbfg denny did you get the damn vid roy .
From : roy
roy wrote big al wrote here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. just tried the link works here al it worked for me. is that dragstrip down-hill looks like the shut down is uphill. beats the hell out of running off into a sand trap. direct youtube link http//www.youtube.com/watchv=fdh3wi90r9u this worked just fine. thanks you. it might be the camera angle. it sure /looks/ down-hill in this shot http//i9.tinypic.com/3zu25h2.jpg yup it surely does. roy ken .
From : big al
strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. why is that the gear ratio is highermaking it easier for the engine to turn the rear wheels al youve got it backwards. with 3.73 gears the drive shaft turns 3.73 turns per turn of the rear wheels. with 3.54 gears its 3.54 turns. so its harder to turn the shaft. plus the total drive ratio is the transmission ratio times the rear end ratio. so if you have a 3 to 1 ratio in the transmission and 3.73 rear gears you have a total ratio of 11.19. that means the engine turns 11.19 turns for each turn of the rear tire. with 3.54 gears the final ratio would be 10.62. with 4.11 rear gears the final ratio would be 12.33. the more times the engine turns for each turn of the wheel the more torque is applied to the wheel. al .
From : geekboy
strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. why is that the gear ratio is highermaking it easier for the engine to turn the rear wheels al youve got it backwards. with 3.73 gears the drive shaft turns 3.73 turns per turn of the rear wheels. with 3.54 gears its 3.54 turns. so its harder to turn the shaft. plus the total drive ratio is the transmission ratio times the rear end ratio. so if you have a 3 to 1 ratio in the transmission and 3.73 rear gears you have a total ratio of 11.19. that means the engine turns 11.19 turns for each turn of the rear tire. with 3.54 gears the final ratio would be 10.62. with 4.11 rear gears the final ratio would be 12.33. the more times the engine turns for each turn of the wheel the more torque is applied to the wheel. i think you just contradicted yourself. more torque means more power being applied thus easier the vehicle can tow. if the first part of you mention is true then most 3500 duallys would come with 3.54 gears rather than 4.11 al .
From : bigironram
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. then that ford was far from stock. iirc in 96 the powerstrokes were only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new dodge stock. .
From : roy
i pulled into a shopping center. the exit out is a stop light on a steep incline. on the way out i was first in line so the entire vehicle and load and on the steep incline. when the light turned green i pushed the fuel pedal all the way to the floor and nothing happened at first. the engine was groaning and had no rpms. thus the turbo charger was totally useless. thought i was not going to make it up the hill. never gonna buy another truck with automatic. ive heard of this problem with the automatic v10 dodges too. cant get the rpm up enough to pull. my 6 speed 04 and 5 speed 92 will start very heavy loads. no need to rev up the engine. 5.6 to 1 first gear strange that tom has not heard of this. goes to show ya cant know everything. not to mention original owner switched out the read axle gears to 3.73 from the factory 3.53 or .54. you would think that extra gear ratio would help out on such a condition. he made quite a few changes for the purpose of towing a 5th wheel travel trailer. changing the rear gears from 3.73 to 3.54 would hurt startup power not help it. al he said the original owner switched the gear to 373 from the factory gears of 3.54. roy al .
From : roy
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. if it wasa 96 then it could not be stock to do that. i still would like to hear what was found to be wrong with your truck! roy .
From : roy
nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. did the guy in the cummins know he was in a race i have a friend that bought a new ford f350 ps last october. he thought it was real quick so we went to a deserted area of the highway. from the a stop he pulled me by about a1/2 length due to tire spin but by the time we were at 50mph i was by him and pulled to about 2 lengths @100. tried it twice more and the results were the same but we left together. he went out and bought a bhaf and a 5 exhaust. didnt seem to matter much the results were about the same. now hes pissed buys a smarty. boy do those things work! if they had one for the cummins id have bought one and really pissed him off. both trucks were auto 4x4 with 411 or whatever rear gears. mine was a 04 qc. if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving probably an old 12 valve lol that may be the case but my buddies f350 stomped on a cummins ram last week and he has yet to let me forget it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving it looks better in real life then it does in the photos but im no big fan of the latest dodge body styles either. the advantage of the twin turbos is faster spool-up which translates into much less lag for the amount of boost. i dont know if they are the variable geometry type or not. two more things on a ford to fu*king fall off. -- ------moparman------ ---signature pending yet another assine comment by mianderson--- .
From : roy
there was a german guy who raced an audi quattro shortly after it came out and won. it was either a 4 or 6 cylinder with turbo charger. he had to develope a new style of driving to compete with the 8 cylinder cars he was racing against. what he did when he needed to brake in a sharp turn was to simulataniously brake and keep the same foot on the accelerator all while at the same time shifting and other foot on the clutch. this helped the turbo from losing power so he would not fall behind the other vehicles. was driving down the road one night in my ot 5.0 5 speed car. some guy comes up on the right side of me in a turbo supra. he revs the engine a few times to get my attention then stands on the gas and holds the car even with mine with his brakes. tried my best to tease him into burning something up but it didnt work them damned things run. saw a different guy with a slower supra dust off a hennsey viper from a slow roll. the viper got away first thanks to turbo lag then it was all toyota. they stopped and bsed a while. talk about a pissed off dodge owner. that supra ran 10.60s in street trim and its not a fast one. a lot of people laugh at some of these kids with ricers but they arent catching them. talk about the ultimate sleeper. a 10 second street car5. here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. al .
From : nosey
roy wrote big al wrote here is a link to a video of the one i was screwing with. http//au.toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=2708 belongs to ryan woon here in tucson. btw this car is in the low 9s now. it was running mid 10s when he was trying to blow my doors off i raced him years ago at the track with my 68 nova and beat him heads up. told him after the race if he would have beat me i would have burnt my car to the ground i was about .3 of a second quicker than him but he ran almost 15 mph faster. he was coming 15mph faster he was coming like a jet. sounds like ya got him on the go. that link doesnt6 work. at least for me it dont. al there is no ot here. everything seems to go. maybe a ot in the subject but nobody gets their undies in a not over it. just tried the link works here al it worked for me. is that dragstrip down-hill looks like the shut down is uphill. beats the hell out of running off into a sand trap. direct youtube link http//www.youtube.com/watchv=fdh3wi90r9u this worked just fine. thanks you. it might be the camera angle. it sure /looks/ down-hill in this shot http//i9.tinypic.com/3zu25h2.jpg -- ken .
From : tbone
the dodge wasnt new it was about 2 years old probably an 05. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. then that ford was far from stock. iirc in 96 the powerstrokes were only 215 hp. vs. 325 for the new dodge stock. .
From : tbone
actually it was never intended as a race. my buddy got on it to get to the turnoff before some other asshole in a car got there as they couldnt drive worth a shit. i guess that when the driver of the dodge either saw the ford next to him or saw us take off took it as a race and got on it as well but could not catch up before we turned off. whatever the reason im still taking abuse for it even though he knows that the cummins is a superior engine. hey if everything goes as rumor makes it pretty soon the dodge will be using the duramax engine lol!! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving nope i was in the truck with him and it was a 05 or 06 and his truck is just about completely stock. now we turned off about a 1/4 of a mile down the road so it may be possible that the cummins could have caught back up and that the driver of the dodge was slow to react but off of the line his 96 f350 walked away from the dodge. did the guy in the cummins know he was in a race i have a friend that bought a new ford f350 ps last october. he thought it was real quick so we went to a deserted area of t