Nature doesn't owe you cheap oil. Global production may have peaked.

From : enough already

Q: the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil fuels exist only within that crust and were depleted past the halfway peak in america around 1970. once peak production is passed extraction costs rise. there is no getting around it. the issue is when not if a peak will occur. the current high price of oil is likely signaling a peak in global supplies which means life is going to get more difficult and no amount of whining will create easy oil out of nothing. most of the oil we use was formed in two periods 90 and 150 million years ago and the existence of abiotic oil has never been proved. cheap oil created the illusion of resource plenitude by making people misunderstand the difference between capital and income finite vs. renewable energy. the huge scale of modern life was mostly built on finite oil with no assurance that other sources can replace it. after the global peak nature will set the price of oil and its probably happening now. that price includes tar sands bitumen and oil shale which require much higher energy inputs to extract usable liquid. in the case of shale they still havent found a way to break even and most of it wont yield pure gasoline just diesel kerosene etc.. tearing up vast areas of utah colorado and wyoming is not a sane solution. the economy is sick if it must be a constant land- parasite. thanks to mindless population growth of 75 million annually worldwide oil consumption will keep increasing unless radical conservation measures are taken. world oil consumption is about 87 million barrels per day an 11200 acre-foot lake and will easily top 100 million barrels/day as we blindly attempt to support 9 or 10 billion people by mid-century. replacement-level birth control is the best technological solution to resource shortages but people get offended at that notion. they cant think beyond their own wants. keep all of this in mind as you invent conspiracy theories and whine about your right to cheap easy fuel for ego-trucks and powerboats while your truck/suv hauls air most of the year or carries passengers who could live with something smaller or not hoard so much junk in the first place. people themselves are getting fatter in an ironic symbiosis with economic growthism. conservation is still a joke among most americans. they only do it when prices force them to. the ignorant tattooed masses listening to rush limbaugh while trying to one-up their neighbors horsepower are blind to whats really going on with oil. they are obsessed with money this money that but they should be studying geology and biology. many take pride in not knowing the fundamentals of life beyond their immediate needs. stop with that intelekshual stuff and pass me a beer! nature doesnt owe anyone a living and there is no birthright to v-8 engines and easy wages in the transport industry. no amount of sneering at environmental laws will change that fact. more drilling in alaska wont make us independent from anything. its all in the math. the u.s. uses 21 million barrels of oil a day which is a billion barrels in under 50 days. that would deplete a best-case anwr scenario of 10 billion barrels in under 500 days and u.s. consumption keeps rising as the population grows by 3 million annually. some energy alternatives look good on paper but still cant touch the massive scale of oil. old fashioned conservatism and thrift is the immediate answer to our energy problems not a greed-based agenda that assumes endless abundance. the old frontiers have already yielded most of their bounty. destroying more of nature is not the solution to problems caused by gluttony and ignorance of limits. e.a. http//enoughalready.tripod.com/ earth to human race drop some of your needs! .

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From : miles

rashputin wrote oddly enough thats exactly why intelligence agencies said use theirs first all the way back under eisenhower. if as the russians think it re itself over time and isnt ever going to run out fine. if its finite then well be among the last to have reserves. we should at the very least know what we have by allowing exploration. .

From : napalmheart

these ignorant folks think scientific discovery can be legislated. until new energy resources become available our very safety security and economic well being depends on oil. until that occurs not securing our source of energy supply is exceedingly foolish and shortsighted. of course we need to develope new oil fields. now tapping into those resources before an emergency is another question but if we do have a national emergency there will be no time to do it then. steve many of the ignorant want us to be in a position where theres no time to do anything. they want the destruction of the current western culture. what they fail to recognize is that they will be some of the first executed by their new masters. ken .

From : steve lusardi

these ignorant folks think scientific discovery can be legislated. until new energy resources become available our very safety security and economic well being depends on oil. until that occurs not securing our source of energy supply is exceedingly foolish and shortsighted. of course we need to develope new oil fields. now tapping into those resources before an emergency is another question but if we do have a national emergency there will be no time to do it then. steve the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. drival snipped .

From : asadi

rashputin wrote oddly enough thats exactly why intelligence agencies said use theirs first all the way back under eisenhower. if as the russians think it re itself over time and isnt ever going to run out fine. if its finite then well be among the last to have reserves. we should at the very least know what we have by allowing exploration. trust me....we know... smarter people here than i thought! john .

From : rashputin

the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil ... so well said you are already getting replies from the people you spoke of! john i would like to add that drilling for oil in the us is a fools errand. until we learn to conserve the oil is best left in the ground for future generations. it will increase in value far faster than the stock market. buy arab oil with depreciating paper dollars. bob oddly enough thats exactly why intelligence agencies said use theirs first all the way back under eisenhower. if as the russians think it re itself over time and isnt ever going to run out fine. if its finite then well be among the last to have reserves. i wouldnt put it past the house of saud to manipulate the market to make the price crash to well below what anyone thinks is possible and then hold it there long enough instill fear in even the biggest speculators. they build opec to control the price of oil and have no intention of letting speculators take that control out of their hands. have a nice day .

From : rm v2 0

so much error and conjecture where to start the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. wtf protest finite resources the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil fuels exist only within that crust and were depleted past the halfway peak in america around 1970. once peak production is passed extraction costs rise. there is no getting around it. the issue is when not if a peak will occur. speculation and guesswork. no one has any fucking clue where all oil resides and how much there is left. plus is made from all fossils including plants so is in fact renewing constantly. the current high price of oil is likely signaling a peak in global supplies no the current price is due to specualtors driving it up even the damn saudis are saying it is uncalled for. rest of drivel snipped. .

From : bob drake

the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil ... so well said you are already getting replies from the people you spoke of! john i would like to add that drilling for oil in the us is a fools errand. until we learn to conserve the oil is best left in the ground for future generations. it will increase in value far faster than the stock market. buy arab oil with depreciating paper dollars. bob .

From : Annonymous

on sun 22 jun 2008 013819 -0700 pdt enough already enoughalready@lycos.com wrote http//www.youtube.com/watchv=zpch2k63uj4 .

From : asadi

the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil fuels exist only within that crust and were depleted past the halfway peak in america around 1970. once peak production is passed extraction costs rise. there is no getting around it. the issue is when not if a peak will occur. the current high price of oil is likely signaling a peak in global supplies which means life is going to get more difficult and no amount of whining will create easy oil out of nothing. most of the oil we use was formed in two periods 90 and 150 million years ago and the existence of abiotic oil has never been proved. cheap oil created the illusion of resource plenitude by making people misunderstand the difference between capital and income finite vs. renewable energy. the huge scale of modern life was mostly built on finite oil with no assurance that other sources can replace it. after the global peak nature will set the price of oil and its probably happening now. that price includes tar sands bitumen and oil shale which require much higher energy inputs to extract usable liquid. in the case of shale they still havent found a way to break even and most of it wont yield pure gasoline just diesel kerosene etc.. tearing up vast areas of utah colorado and wyoming is not a sane solution. the economy is sick if it must be a constant land- parasite. thanks to mindless population growth of 75 million annually worldwide oil consumption will keep increasing unless radical conservation measures are taken. world oil consumption is about 87 million barrels per day an 11200 acre-foot lake and will easily top 100 million barrels/day as we blindly attempt to support 9 or 10 billion people by mid-century. replacement-level birth control is the best technological solution to resource shortages but people get offended at that notion. they cant think beyond their own wants. keep all of this in mind as you invent conspiracy theories and whine about your right to cheap easy fuel for ego-trucks and powerboats while your truck/suv hauls air most of the year or carries passengers who could live with something smaller or not hoard so much junk in the first place. people themselves are getting fatter in an ironic symbiosis with economic growthism. conservation is still a joke among most americans. they only do it when prices force them to. the ignorant tattooed masses listening to rush limbaugh while trying to one-up their neighbors horsepower are blind to whats really going on with oil. they are obsessed with money this money that but they should be studying geology and biology. many take pride in not knowing the fundamentals of life beyond their immediate needs. stop with that intelekshual stuff and pass me a beer! nature doesnt owe anyone a living and there is no birthright to v-8 engines and easy wages in the transport industry. no amount of sneering at environmental laws will change that fact. more drilling in alaska wont make us independent from anything. its all in the math. the u.s. uses 21 million barrels of oil a day which is a billion barrels in under 50 days. that would deplete a best-case anwr scenario of 10 billion barrels in under 500 days and u.s. consumption keeps rising as the population grows by 3 million annually. some energy alternatives look good on paper but still cant touch the massive scale of oil. old fashioned conservatism and thrift is the immediate answer to our energy problems not a greed-based agenda that assumes endless abundance. the old frontiers have already yielded most of their bounty. destroying more of nature is not the solution to problems caused by gluttony and ignorance of limits. e.a. http//enoughalready.tripod.com/ earth to human race drop some of your needs! so well said you are already getting replies from the people you spoke of! john .

From : bill

i make it about a 1969. he must really feel bad about using all that gas. what year is your dodge steve the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil fuels exist only within that crust and were depleted past the halfway peak in america around 1970. once peak production is passed extraction costs rise. there is no getting around it. the issue is when not if a peak will occur. the current high price of oil is likely signaling a peak in global supplies which means life is going to get more difficult and no amount of whining will create easy oil out of nothing. most of the oil we use was formed in two periods 90 and 150 million years ago and the existence of abiotic oil has never been proved. cheap oil created the illusion of resource plenitude by making people misunderstand the difference between capital and income finite vs. renewable energy. the huge scale of modern life was mostly built on finite oil with no assurance that other sources can replace it. after the global peak nature will set the price of oil and its probably happening now. that price includes tar sands bitumen and oil shale which require much higher energy inputs to extract usable liquid. in the case of shale they still havent found a way to break even and most of it wont yield pure gasoline just diesel kerosene etc.. tearing up vast areas of utah colorado and wyoming is not a sane solution. the economy is sick if it must be a constant land- parasite. thanks to mindless population growth of 75 million annually worldwide oil consumption will keep increasing unless radical conservation measures are taken. world oil consumption is about 87 million barrels per day an 11200 acre-foot lake and will easily top 100 million barrels/day as we blindly attempt to support 9 or 10 billion people by mid-century. replacement-level birth control is the best technological solution to resource shortages but people get offended at that notion. they cant think beyond their own wants. keep all of this in mind as you invent conspiracy theories and whine about your right to cheap easy fuel for ego-trucks and powerboats while your truck/suv hauls air most of the year or carries passengers who could live with something smaller or not hoard so much junk in the first place. people themselves are getting fatter in an ironic symbiosis with economic growthism. conservation is still a joke among most americans. they only do it when prices force them to. the ignorant tattooed masses listening to rush limbaugh while trying to one-up their neighbors horsepower are blind to whats really going on with oil. they are obsessed with money this money that but they should be studying geology and biology. many take pride in not knowing the fundamentals of life beyond their immediate needs. stop with that intelekshual stuff and pass me a beer! nature doesnt owe anyone a living and there is no birthright to v-8 engines and easy wages in the transport industry. no amount of sneering at environmental laws will change that fact. more drilling in alaska wont make us independent from anything. its all in the math. the u.s. uses 21 million barrels of oil a day which is a billion barrels in under 50 days. that would deplete a best-case anwr scenario of 10 billion barrels in under 500 days and u.s. consumption keeps rising as the population grows by 3 million annually. some energy alternatives look good on paper but still cant touch the massive scale of oil. old fashioned conservatism and thrift is the immediate answer to our energy problems not a greed-based agenda that assumes endless abundance. the old frontiers have already yielded most of their bounty. destroying more of nature is not the solution to problems caused by gluttony and ignorance of limits. e.a. http//enoughalready.tripod.com/ earth to human race drop some of your needs! .

From : steve lusardi

what year is your dodge steve the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. the earth is a limited sphere with a superficial crust relative to its total size. on average the crust is 20 miles thick vs. the planets 7900 mile diameter. under the oceans where the most desperate oil drilling occurs the crust is as thin as 3 miles. oil and other fossil fuels exist only within that crust and were depleted past the halfway peak in america around 1970. once peak production is passed extraction costs rise. there is no getting around it. the issue is when not if a peak will occur. the current high price of oil is likely signaling a peak in global supplies which means life is going to get more difficult and no amount of whining will create easy oil out of nothing. most of the oil we use was formed in two periods 90 and 150 million years ago and the existence of abiotic oil has never been proved. cheap oil created the illusion of resource plenitude by making people misunderstand the difference between capital and income finite vs. renewable energy. the huge scale of modern life was mostly built on finite oil with no assurance that other sources can replace it. after the global peak nature will set the price of oil and its probably happening now. that price includes tar sands bitumen and oil shale which require much higher energy inputs to extract usable liquid. in the case of shale they still havent found a way to break even and most of it wont yield pure gasoline just diesel kerosene etc.. tearing up vast areas of utah colorado and wyoming is not a sane solution. the economy is sick if it must be a constant land- parasite. thanks to mindless population growth of 75 million annually worldwide oil consumption will keep increasing unless radical conservation measures are taken. world oil consumption is about 87 million barrels per day an 11200 acre-foot lake and will easily top 100 million barrels/day as we blindly attempt to support 9 or 10 billion people by mid-century. replacement-level birth control is the best technological solution to resource shortages but people get offended at that notion. they cant think beyond their own wants. keep all of this in mind as you invent conspiracy theories and whine about your right to cheap easy fuel for ego-trucks and powerboats while your truck/suv hauls air most of the year or carries passengers who could live with something smaller or not hoard so much junk in the first place. people themselves are getting fatter in an ironic symbiosis with economic growthism. conservation is still a joke among most americans. they only do it when prices force them to. the ignorant tattooed masses listening to rush limbaugh while trying to one-up their neighbors horsepower are blind to whats really going on with oil. they are obsessed with money this money that but they should be studying geology and biology. many take pride in not knowing the fundamentals of life beyond their immediate needs. stop with that intelekshual stuff and pass me a beer! nature doesnt owe anyone a living and there is no birthright to v-8 engines and easy wages in the transport industry. no amount of sneering at environmental laws will change that fact. more drilling in alaska wont make us independent from anything. its all in the math. the u.s. uses 21 million barrels of oil a day which is a billion barrels in under 50 days. that would deplete a best-case anwr scenario of 10 billion barrels in under 500 days and u.s. consumption keeps rising as the population grows by 3 million annually. some energy alternatives look good on paper but still cant touch the massive scale of oil. old fashioned conservatism and thrift is the immediate answer to our energy problems not a greed-based agenda that assumes endless abundance. the old frontiers have already yielded most of their bounty. destroying more of nature is not the solution to problems caused by gluttony and ignorance of limits. e.a. http//enoughalready.tripod.com/ earth to human race drop some of your needs! .

From : Annonymous

on sun 22 jun 2008 013819 -0700 pdt enough already enoughalready@lycos.com wrote the sooner people get over the notion that they can protest finite resources the better. http//www.youtube.com/watchv=sldxuur4bg&eurl=http//www.americansolutions.com/actioncenter/petitions/guid=54ec6e43-75a8-445b-aa7b-346a1e096659 .