Mercedes, Not US, To Bail Out Chrysler
From : comments4u
Q: in a huge surprise chrysler has decided to decline us government help and instead accept help from mercedes which still owns 20% of chrysler. under the plan chrysler will introduce competitive platforms starting in june 2009 with a total of three new platforms available by december 2009. the v6 versions of the chrysler 300 and dodge charger will be replaced by front drive models with better fuel mileage and more interior room. the hemi powered rear drive 300 and charger will be retained to fill their proper role as specialty models built mostly for status rather than for wide market appeal. in the midsize segment the current mitsubishi sourced sebring and avenger awkwardly styled in the theme of a brick set on edge will be replaced by lower sleeker and more aerodynamic models. in the compact segement the pt cruiser will be retained since it has proven appeal as a styling curiousity. the dodge caliber also curiously styled but without a retro look to work in its favor will be replaced by a conventionally styled small car which will have wider appeal. mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. but then came the surprising answer. the solution to fixing chryslers current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars with the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratus and the 2002 neon. this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
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From : peterd
**do not toppost!** on tue 2 dec 2008 000532 -0000 dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das *woosh* missed that one completely didnt you! .
From : dori a schmetterling
comprehensible... - das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... comprehendable manner. ... .
From : matthew russotto
dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote i doubt the concentration of chlorine reaches swimming pool levels and i doubt that any water authority in the us & any developed country would permit the circulation of water that is harmful to health. try philadelphia tap water a.k.a schuylkill punch. the chlorine may not quite be up to swimming pool levels but it still burns when it goes down. -- its times like these which make me glad my bank is dial-a-mattress .
From : bill putney
dori a schmetterling wrote i doubt the concentration of chlorine reaches swimming pool levels and i doubt that any water authority in the us & any developed country would permit the circulation of water that is harmful to health. youd be surprised - do a chemical strip test on tap water in a municipal supply in a house close to the treatment facilitys outlet. it tells you something when you can walk by a bathroom where water is being run and smell the chlorine. -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : dori a schmetterling
i doubt the concentration of chlorine reaches swimming pool levels and i doubt that any water authority in the us & any developed country would permit the circulation of water that is harmful to health. not liking the taste of ones local water is another matter. that in my opinion is the only reason for filtering at home or drinking still bottled water. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... the filter is to primarily remove chorine municipal water. swimming pool water doesnt appeal to me and probably isnt too healthy. -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : lloyd
on dec 8 1240=a0pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote on mon 8 dec 2008 084048 -0800 pst lloyd lpar...@emory.edu wrote somebodys opinion that doesnt match up with the facts i see. some experts objective opinion. =a0you are hardly either an expert or objective. you dont know if im an expert you dont know if im objective and regardless i can point out that the opinion doesnt match with facts we know. actually its pretty obvious youre neither an expert nor objective. and what you think are facts are not. can you cite a source for your facts uh lloyd thats the point. =a0decisions to do these things were with mercedes in charge. and again i remind you it was the chrysler folks who convinced dc to go with mitsu. there were no chrysler folks. =a0the company was being run by mercedes folks. wrong. this was still in the early days. lots of chrysler execs including on the board of management. but im objective. =a0give me a cite. oh and the caliber... i checked a friends today and the vin starts with a 1 which ive only seen on us assembly of big three cars toyota nissan etc na assembly get a 4 first in the vin and the door decal says manufactured by daimler chrysler. =a0so are =a0you sur= e of the origin of this car the platform was developed by mitsu. =a0its made in a chrysler plant. just like the ford taurus uses a platform volvo helped develop but its made in a ford plant. =a0its not a mitsu car; it uses a mitsu platform. =a0you can really do a little research and find this out. since you already know please enlighten me. both of chryslers current front drive car platforms are being replaced by mitsubishi platforms http//www.allpar.com/ed/2003/future-of-chrysler.html the fwd vehicle platform for such models as the 2007 dodge caliber jeep compass and chrysler sebring originated at mitsubishi. http//www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleaid=3d/20060808/free/60807008= /1041/photos chrysler offers two mid-size cars in the form of the chrysler sebring and dodge avenger both based on the js-platform which was developed with mitsubishi. http//jalopnik.com/5062950/gm-vs-chrysler-product-lineup-fantasy-draft the new sebring will be built on a mitsubishi lancer-derived platform http//www.3autos.com/spy-shots-2007-chrysler-sebring/ the outlander is mitsubishis smallest suv offering in north america. the compact crossover is built on the same platform as the dodge caliber and chrysler sebring -- the result of a partnership with chrysler. http//www.leftlane.com/mitsubishi.htm .
From : steve
edward ohare wrote as motor trend points out this month blame iacocca for putting eaton up as his successor instead of lutz. also id say blame eaton for being the worst negotiator since the indians sold manhattan. blame americans who dumped their dc stock instead of holding onto it and using it to influence the new company. so.... motor trend is using the same logic as rush limbaugh now who blames the democratic **minority** in congress 1998-2006 bill clinton and jimmy carter for our current economic woes well in corporate finance as well as in the economy decisions made 20 years ago do come to fruition today. despite the admiration i have for him generally iacocca didnt do well the last few years. hanging onto the k platform for one more encore as an imitation big car dynasty/new yorker was a terrible mistake. one of his many mistakes. he did a great job of saving the company. once it was healthy he should have stepped aside and allowed the engineers to create and be competitive again rather than hanging onto a survive on a shoestring mentality. .
From : steve
ill try a less polite way then. moving your reply above to its present position below mine allows it to be read as as part of a conversation. the very first thing i did in order to read your reply was scroll to the bottom and start reading. you could have just as easily posted at the top. the rest of your post is pure nonsense trying to impose a presupposition of attitude on writers. its meaningless. top posters have no interest in entering into a conversation only in firing off essays witty one liners etc. which are intended to stand on their own rather than contributing to a conversation with other posters. top posters are revealing that they have no respect for others contributions they assume that their brilliance simply replaces everything that has been said before and that readers will not profit by knowing what they are replying to.. .
From : edward ohare
on sun 07 dec 2008 191354 -0500 bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote i agree with rush l. about almost everything. im sorry to hear that. please consider that many of rushs views are single solutions to single problems that dont consider the other effects of the solution. one thing i have always disagreed with him on is that theres no need to worry about the deficit - hes always maintained that it doesnt mean anything. i had a conversation with a former co worker about rushs proposal that repubs should vote in dem primaries and vote for clinton. after a few exchanges i said well people who do that must be convinced their guy mccain is going to lose the general election so getting clinton as president would in their view be the lesser of two evils. answer was oh no mccains going to win. so i said if thats true then repubs voting in the dem primariy doesnt matter. so why do it. . well he had no answer to that. but he went away convinced i was wrong without being able to say why. well that and i also drink filtered tap water what those chemicals in unfiltered water dont hurt you! g .
From : zayton
ill try a less polite way then. moving your reply above to its present position below mine allows it to be read as as part of a conversation. the very first thing i did in order to read your reply was scroll to the bottom and start reading. you read my reply without any idea what i was replying to you could have just as easily posted at the top. where it would have made no sense. in order to comprehend the reply you had to know what it was a reply to. even you had to figure out that it was in reply to what you had said. someone else reading my post without having first read yours would have no idea what was going on. the rest of your post is pure nonsense trying to impose a presupposition of attitude on writers. its meaningless. it has nothing to do with attitude. it has to do with presenting parts of an ongoing conversation in a comprehendable manner. unless that is you are concinced tht only your contribution matters. then you may as well snip everything and just post your comment. top posters have no interest in entering into a conversation only in firing off essays witty one liners etc. which are intended to stand on their own rather than contributing to a conversation with other posters. top posters are revealing that they have no respect for others contributions they assume that their brilliance simply replaces everything that has been said before and that readers will not profit by knowing what they are replying to.. .
From : bill putney
edward ohare wrote on sun 07 dec 2008 191354 -0500 bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote well that and i also drink filtered tap water what those chemicals in unfiltered water dont hurt you! g the filter is to primarily remove chorine municipal water. swimming pool water doesnt appeal to me and probably isnt too healthy. -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : edward ohare
on mon 8 dec 2008 084048 -0800 pst lloyd lparker@emory.edu wrote somebodys opinion that doesnt match up with the facts i see. some experts objective opinion. you are hardly either an expert or objective. you dont know if im an expert you dont know if im objective and regardless i can point out that the opinion doesnt match with facts we know. uh lloyd thats the point. decisions to do these things were with mercedes in charge. and again i remind you it was the chrysler folks who convinced dc to go with mitsu. there were no chrysler folks. the company was being run by mercedes folks. but im objective. give me a cite. oh and the caliber... i checked a friends today and the vin starts with a 1 which ive only seen on us assembly of big three cars toyota nissan etc na assembly get a 4 first in the vin and the door decal says manufactured by daimler chrysler. so are you sure of the origin of this car the platform was developed by mitsu. its made in a chrysler plant. just like the ford taurus uses a platform volvo helped develop but its made in a ford plant. its not a mitsu car; it uses a mitsu platform. you can really do a little research and find this out. since you already know please enlighten me. .
From : lloyd
on dec 6 1123=a0pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote on thu 4 dec 2008 123144 -0800 pst lloyd lpar...@emory.edu wrote on dec 3 106=a0pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote i dont know who talked schrempp out of buying nissan youre talking like you were a mouse in the corner during the meetings. =a0nissan wa= s on the brink. =a0there was nothing to snap up. =a0taking on nissan w= as taking on a huge risk. =a0oh yea ghosen did well but would schrempp have chrysler already had money in mitsubishi. =a0 actually they had sold all their shares years earlier. ok then that disproves your point about how chrysler wanted to be involved. how it was the chrysler folks who argued that dc should invest in mitsu and not nissan. you say chrysler people had confidence in mitsubishi but the actions theyve taken over the years dont show that. =a0their involvement wit= h mitsubishi was usually to fill a need on a temporary basis. well they started in 1970 and used mitsu products for what 20+ years =a0plus the normal il factory. time. =a0as you observe above they took their money out of mitsubishi. and they sold their share of diamond-star. =a0they were pulling out and mercedes got them involved again. no it was the chrysler execs who argued for getting involved with mitsu again. when chevy and ford started selling the vega and pinto chrysler sourced the colt and then the arrow from mitsubishi. =a0but then when they were able to build their own small car the omni/horizon they cut out mitsubishi in that size class. =a0 no they didnt. =a0colts were sold through 1994 16 years after the omni= / horizon were introduced. i ***agree*** a car named colt was sold later. =a0i ***disagree*** the car named colt sold after the omni/horizon introduction was in the same market segment as the omni/horizon. =a0see above... cut out mitsubshi in that size class. =a0 for example 77 colt at a 92 inch wheelbase 78 horizon at 99 inches. but even smaller cars had become popular so they again unable to build one sourced a smaller colt from mitsubishi one down in the ford fiesta/toyota starlet class. there was no hiatus. =a0and the colt was more the size of the rabbit and civic and corolla fx not the fiesta. =a0i owned a fiesta; it was smaller. think the plymouth champ style colt. =a0remember the one with the twin stick trans yes. bigger than fiesta. well again from what i read it was the chrysler execs who convinced daimler to tie up with mitsu instead of nissan. it doesnt make sense that the guys who pulled away who built their own cars and own engines for segments where they previously bought from mitsubishi and made money doing it wanted to become mere vehicle distributors again. they felt using mitsu to develop small-car platforms was what they needed. plus they felt a presence in asia was needed. the mercedes folks favored a tie-in with nissan but the chrysler folks favored one with mitsu. i dont see that mercedes missed anything by failing to snap up a decimated nissan. =a0 imagine the mid-sizes on the altima platform instead of a lancer platform. =a0the small on a sentra instead of a lancer. =a0the journey o= n a murano platform instead of you guess it a lancer. you dont know nissan would have done well under schrempp. =a0gee he might have turned all the nissan cars into wagons and all the infinitis into trucks! after all they took a healthy company chrysler and ran it into the dirt. =a0 did you read the business week quote somebodys opinion that doesnt match up with the facts i see. some experts objective opinion. you are hardly either an expert or objective. and the actions over the years indicate a consistent effort by chrysler people not to rely on mitsubishi. except for the sebring avenger caliber compass patriot journey -- all on mitsu platforms. uh lloyd thats the point. =a0decisions to do these things were with mercedes in charge. and again i remind you it was the chrysler folks who convinced dc to go with mitsu. oh and the caliber... i checked a friends today and the vin starts with a 1 which ive only seen on us assembly of big three cars toyota nissan etc na assembly get a 4 first in the vin and the door decal says manufactured by daimler chrysler. =a0so are =a0you sure o= f the origin of this car the platform was developed by mitsu. its made in a chrysler plant. just like the ford taurus uses a platform volvo helped develop but its made in a ford plant. its not a mitsu car; it uses a mitsu platform. you can really do a little research and find this out. .
From : guenter scholz
dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote you mean from a minus value das yes. btw i notice that no one here appears to be a monty python fan - cheers to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : napalmheart
u--dnzsku6dbfkvunz2dnuvzuadnz2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology napalmheart olsonfamnospam@iserv.net wrote ************** the is funny and makes some sense but is it really a time to poke more fun at chrysler robber mercedes ************* fpcgnd8qst37.taje6ypns1y5.dlg@40tude.net comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote you didnt understand that this was a satire and likely has no basis in fact. you should read before you post. so you both top and bottom post. how retarded. .
From : bill putney
dori a schmetterling wrote ...chacun a son gout. exactly. -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : zayton
hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- **do not toppost!** ... oh right sorry! it reverses the logical order of a conversation. why is it confusing its confusing. why not you really shouldnt top-post. .
From : bill putney
edward ohare wrote so.... motor trend is using the same logic as rush limbaugh now who blames the democratic **minority** in congress 1998-2006 bill clinton and jimmy carter for our current economic woes ed - all you have to do to understand the collapse of the mortgage/banking industry is trace the history of the community reinvestment act cra - started - yes - with carter strengthened by clinton and then the lack of oversight of fannie mae and freddie mac youve no-doubt seen the youtube video of those embarrassing hearings lynchings etc. and know of franklin raines obama campaign financial adviser taking 90 million - $90000000.00 - dollars in personal bonuses by cooking fannie maes books at critical times to trigger said bonuses while he was its ceo. chryslers situation aside you injected the wider politics into your post it is dishonest to deny that very real history and how it was more than a butterfly wing flutter that triggered what we are seeing. -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : bill putney
edward ohare wrote on sun 07 dec 2008 103914 -0500 bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote post it is dishonest to deny that very real history and how it was more than a butterfly wing flutter that triggered what we are seeing. i maintain that the proximate cause of the current financial housing related problems are 1 interest rates that were kep too low 2 excess money available due to fed budget deficits they all were a factor. i think there are idiots that think rules about finances are arbitrary and arent real - and a lot of those idiots are in our government. as the saying goes reality is a bitch. we shall see in the not-too-distant future if any lessons have been learned. my fear is that the answer to that is no. i agree with rush l. about almost everything. one thing i have always disagreed with him on is that theres no need to worry about the deficit - hes always maintained that it doesnt mean anything. well that and i also drink filtered tap water -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x .
From : edward ohare
on sun 07 dec 2008 103914 -0500 bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote post it is dishonest to deny that very real history and how it was more than a butterfly wing flutter that triggered what we are seeing. i maintain that the proximate cause of the current financial housing related problems are 1 interest rates that were kep too low 2 excess money available due to fed budget deficits .
From : peterd
on thu 4 dec 2008 104709 -0000 dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- **do not toppost!** ... always someone who doesnt know proper netiquette for usenet... and someone who doesnt understand *why* top-posting is so annoying. .
From : dori a schmetterling
hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- **do not toppost!** ... .
From : lloyd
on dec 3 106=a0pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote on tue 2 dec 2008 124426 -0800 pst lloyd lpar...@emory.edu wrote strange facts youre using here lloyd. interestingly it was the chrysler people who talked the daimler people out of buying into nissan and let renault snap it up instead. =a0the chrysler people said hey weve worked with mitsubishi in the past theyre good buy into them instead. so instead of nissan platforms we get mitsubishi platforms for fwd chryslers. =a0daimler bought into mitsubishi and found they were covering up warranty problems mitsu gave daimler mitsubishifuso trucks in compensation which they still own. =a0cant blame the daimler folks for having it in for the chrysler people after that i dont know who talked schrempp out of buying nissan youre talking like you were a mouse in the corner during the meetings. =a0nissan was on the brink. =a0there was nothing to snap up. =a0taking on nissan was taking on a huge risk. =a0oh yea ghosen did well but would schrempp have chrysler already had money in mitsubishi. =a0 actually they had sold all their shares years earlier. they didnt put more into mitsubishi as an alternative to buying nissan. =a0when mitsubishi got into trouble and schrempp wanted to invest more the mercedes board stopped him. you say chrysler people had confidence in mitsubishi but the actions theyve taken over the years dont show that. =a0their involvement with mitsubishi was usually to fill a need on a temporary basis. well they started in 1970 and used mitsu products for what 20+ years plus the normal il factory. when chevy and ford started selling the vega and pinto chrysler sourced the colt and then the arrow from mitsubishi. =a0but then when they were able to build their own small car the omni/horizon they cut out mitsubishi in that size class. =a0 no they didnt. colts were sold through 1994 16 years after the omni/ horizon were introduced. but even smaller cars had become popular so they again unable to build one sourced a smaller colt from mitsubishi one down in the ford fiesta/toyota starlet class. there was no hiatus. and the colt was more the size of the rabbit and civic and corolla fx not the fiesta. i owned a fiesta; it was smaller. when they needed a larger 4 cylinder in the early 80s they bought mitsubishi engines but only until they could expand the 2.2 into the 2.5. =a0when that happened the mitsubishi 2.6 was gone. =a0when gas stayed cheap and they needed a v6 in 87 they bought the mitsubishi v6. =a0but only until they could develop their own v6. the minivans offered the 3.0 sohc v6 from mitsu long after chryslers 3.3 v6 was offered in them too. and the 2.5 v6 in cirrus/stratus remember chrysler bought small trucks from mitsubishi but again only until they could build their own. =a0interestingly mitsubishi now buys the dakota from chrysler to sell under their name. with the neon chrysler made a decision yet again to build their own small car rather than buy something from mitsubishi to sell. =a0and so after having had a lot of mitsubishi products in the showroom for years they were down to a couple of specialty coupes with the rest of their product range populated by their own products. then under mercedes it was decided all the midsizes not just the coupes would be bought from mitsubishi. =a0the standard small car went away replaced by the cruiser and caliber and mercedes didnt even bother to plan for a normal small car at all. well again from what i read it was the chrysler execs who convinced daimler to tie up with mitsu instead of nissan. and whats this fixation with wagons =a0the caliber as a neon replacement =a0the magnum as an intrepid replacement =a0remember there was initally to be no charger. yep. for a while a wagon version of the mid-size was also planned instead of the sedan the avenger became. the idea was chrysler for sedans dodge for wagons and hatchbacks. i dont see that mercedes missed anything by failing to snap up a decimated nissan. =a0 imagine the mid-sizes on the altima platform instead of a lancer platform. the small on a sentra instead of a lancer. the journey on a murano platform instead of you guess it a lancer. after all they took a healthy company chrysler and ran it into the dirt. =a0 did you read the business week quote and the actions over the years indicate a consistent effort by chrysler people not to rely on mitsubishi. except for the sebring avenger caliber compass patriot journey -- all on mitsu platforms. .
From : larrybud
dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote in hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. the reason to bottom post is that people generally dont read books starting at the last page. .
From : bill putney
dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : edward ohare
on wed 3 dec 2008 082959 -0500 napalmheart olsonfamnospam@iserv.net wrote this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! it might even rise a bit above zero but mercedes just doesnt know how to make a longer term hit with chrysler. they dont understand na. you didnt understand that this was a satire and likely has no basis in fact. its a fact chrysler llc has negative value. its worse off now than when mercedes sold it. and if you review the sale transaction youll find that despite saying they got something for chrysler mercedes covered enough other expenses that their net from the sale was negative. none of which changes the humor of the original article! g .
From : peterd
on mon 1 dec 2008 123935 -0500 comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in a huge surprise chrysler has decided to decline us government help and instead accept help from mercedes which still owns 20% of chrysler. under the plan chrysler will introduce competitive platforms starting in june 2009 with a total of three new platforms available by december 2009. the v6 versions of the chrysler 300 and dodge charger will be replaced by front drive models with better fuel mileage and more interior room. the hemi powered rear drive 300 and charger will be retained to fill their proper role as specialty models built mostly for status rather than for wide market appeal. in the midsize segment the current mitsubishi sourced sebring and avenger awkwardly styled in the theme of a brick set on edge will be replaced by lower sleeker and more aerodynamic models. in the compact segement the pt cruiser will be retained since it has proven appeal as a styling curiousity. the dodge caliber also curiously styled but without a retro look to work in its favor will be replaced by a conventionally styled small car which will have wider appeal. mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. but then came the surprising answer. the solution to fixing chryslers current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars with the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratus and the 2002 neon. this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! you should be ashamed of yourself... now i have to clean *another* keyboard. im going to get a water/coffee proof keyboard this is getting to be too much trouble! .
From : edward ohare
on tue 2 dec 2008 124426 -0800 pst lloyd lparker@emory.edu wrote strange facts youre using here lloyd. interestingly it was the chrysler people who talked the daimler people out of buying into nissan and let renault snap it up instead. the chrysler people said hey weve worked with mitsubishi in the past theyre good buy into them instead. so instead of nissan platforms we get mitsubishi platforms for fwd chryslers. daimler bought into mitsubishi and found they were covering up warranty problems mitsu gave daimler mitsubishifuso trucks in compensation which they still own. cant blame the daimler folks for having it in for the chrysler people after that i dont know who talked schrempp out of buying nissan youre talking like you were a mouse in the corner during the meetings. nissan was on the brink. there was nothing to snap up. taking on nissan was taking on a huge risk. oh yea ghosen did well but would schrempp have chrysler already had money in mitsubishi. they didnt put more into mitsubishi as an alternative to buying nissan. when mitsubishi got into trouble and schrempp wanted to invest more the mercedes board stopped him. you say chrysler people had confidence in mitsubishi but the actions theyve taken over the years dont show that. their involvement with mitsubishi was usually to fill a need on a temporary basis. when chevy and ford started selling the vega and pinto chrysler sourced the colt and then the arrow from mitsubishi. but then when they were able to build their own small car the omni/horizon they cut out mitsubishi in that size class. but even smaller cars had become popular so they again unable to build one sourced a smaller colt from mitsubishi one down in the ford fiesta/toyota starlet class. when they needed a larger 4 cylinder in the early 80s they bought mitsubishi engines but only until they could expand the 2.2 into the 2.5. when that happened the mitsubishi 2.6 was gone. when gas stayed cheap and they needed a v6 in 87 they bought the mitsubishi v6. but only until they could develop their own v6. chrysler bought small trucks from mitsubishi but again only until they could build their own. interestingly mitsubishi now buys the dakota from chrysler to sell under their name. with the neon chrysler made a decision yet again to build their own small car rather than buy something from mitsubishi to sell. and so after having had a lot of mitsubishi products in the showroom for years they were down to a couple of specialty coupes with the rest of their product range populated by their own products. then under mercedes it was decided all the midsizes not just the coupes would be bought from mitsubishi. the standard small car went away replaced by the cruiser and caliber and mercedes didnt even bother to plan for a normal small car at all. and whats this fixation with wagons the caliber as a neon replacement the magnum as an intrepid replacement remember there was initally to be no charger. i dont see that mercedes missed anything by failing to snap up a decimated nissan. after all they took a healthy company chrysler and ran it into the dirt. and the actions over the years indicate a consistent effort by chrysler people not to rely on mitsubishi. .
From : napalmheart
the is funny and makes some sense but is it really a time to poke more fun at chrysler robber mercedes fpcgnd8qst37.taje6ypns1y5.dlg@40tude.net comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in a huge surprise chrysler has decided to decline us government help and instead accept help from mercedes which still owns 20% of chrysler. under the plan chrysler will introduce competitive platforms starting in june 2009 with a total of three new platforms available by december 2009. the v6 versions of the chrysler 300 and dodge charger will be replaced by front drive models with better fuel mileage and more interior room. the hemi powered rear drive 300 and charger will be retained to fill their proper role as specialty models built mostly for status rather than for wide market appeal. this is quite smart but sorry chrysler the 300m i recently purchased for a few songs should last me for 8+ years. of course keep the rwd 300c for the police who like dangerous chases. in the midsize segment the current mitsubishi sourced sebring and avenger awkwardly styled in the theme of a brick set on edge will be replaced by lower sleeker and more aerodynamic models. in the compact segement the pt cruiser will be retained since it has proven appeal as a styling curiousity. i guess if it sells why not. imo its styling is worse than the caliper. the dodge caliber also curiously styled but without a retro look to work in its favor will be replaced by a conventionally styled small car which will have wider appeal. too bad his will come too late for me. actually the compass would be easier to change for my liking simply replace the jeep front end. chrysler doesnt need two jeep front end cars in this class. my dealer told me they just dont know how to sell the split personalty compass. true story! mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. the changes would be relatively minor if they havent sold the tooling to russia and china. but then came the surprising answer. the solution to fixing chryslers current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars with the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratus and the 2002 neon. nope a slight revision of the mid 90s lh and the 91+ sebring with the current drive trains less the 2.7l v6 would have done it. too late for me again chrysler. this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! it might even rise a bit above zero but mercedes just doesnt know how to make a longer term hit with chrysler. they dont understand na. you didnt understand that this was a satire and likely has no basis in fact. .
From : steve
comments4u wrote oh this should be good. c4u has been unusually quiet lately... snip mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. but then came the surprising answer. the solution to fixing chryslers current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars with the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratus and the 2002 neon. or to put a finer point on it to revert to the lineup before f***ing daimler screwed up chrysler the first time!! the car-knowledgeable who read this will realize that the vehicles he mentioned are all pre-daimler designs. i dont care who you are that theres funny. .
From : lloyd
on dec 1 205=a0pm steve n...@spam.thanks wrote comments4u wrote oh this should be good. c4u has been unusually quiet lately... snip mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six t= o twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. =a0i wondered how chrysler could produce t= hree new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are righ= t for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of = the brand research institute. but then came the surprising answer. =a0the solution to fixing chrysler= s current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars wit= h the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratu= s and the 2002 neon. or to put a finer point on it to revert to the lineup before f***ing daimler screwed up chrysler the first time!! the car-knowledgeable who read this =a0will realize that the vehicles he mentioned are all pre-daimler designs. i dont care who you are that theres funny. interestingly it was the chrysler people who talked the daimler people out of buying into nissan and let renault snap it up instead. the chrysler people said hey weve worked with mitsubishi in the past theyre good buy into them instead. so instead of nissan platforms we get mitsubishi platforms for fwd chryslers. daimler bought into mitsubishi and found they were covering up warranty problems mitsu gave daimler mitsubishifuso trucks in compensation which they still own. cant blame the daimler folks for having it in for the chrysler people after that .
From : guenter scholz
yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : josh s
the is funny and makes some sense but is it really a time to poke more fun at chrysler robber mercedes comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in a huge surprise chrysler has decided to decline us government help and instead accept help from mercedes which still owns 20% of chrysler. under the plan chrysler will introduce competitive platforms starting in june 2009 with a total of three new platforms available by december 2009. the v6 versions of the chrysler 300 and dodge charger will be replaced by front drive models with better fuel mileage and more interior room. the hemi powered rear drive 300 and charger will be retained to fill their proper role as specialty models built mostly for status rather than for wide market appeal. this is quite smart but sorry chrysler the 300m i recently purchased for a few songs should last me for 8+ years. of course keep the rwd 300c for the police who like dangerous chases. in the midsize segment the current mitsubishi sourced sebring and avenger awkwardly styled in the theme of a brick set on edge will be replaced by lower sleeker and more aerodynamic models. in the compact segement the pt cruiser will be retained since it has proven appeal as a styling curiousity. i guess if it sells why not. imo its styling is worse than the caliper. the dodge caliber also curiously styled but without a retro look to work in its favor will be replaced by a conventionally styled small car which will have wider appeal. too bad his will come too late for me. actually the compass would be easier to change for my liking simply replace the jeep front end. chrysler doesnt need two jeep front end cars in this class. my dealer told me they just dont know how to sell the split personalty compass. true story! mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. the changes would be relatively minor if they havent sold the tooling to russia and china. but then came the surprising answer. the solution to fixing chryslers current unsaleable car lineup is merely to replace the current cars with the cars they replaced 2004 concorde/intrepid the 2007 sebring/stratus and the 2002 neon. nope a slight revision of the mid 90s lh and the 91+ sebring with the current drive trains less the 2.7l v6 would have done it. too late for me again chrysler. this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! it might even rise a bit above zero but mercedes just doesnt know how to make a longer term hit with chrysler. they dont understand na. . 222 346751 josh-5dcef2.22590201122008@.telus.net the is funny and makes some sense but is it really a time to poke more fun at chrysler robber mercedes comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in a huge surprise chrysler has decided to decline us government help and instead accept help from mercedes which still owns 20% of chrysler. under the plan chrysler will introduce competitive platforms starting in june 2009 with a total of three new platforms available by december 2009. the v6 versions of the chrysler 300 and dodge charger will be replaced by front drive models with better fuel mileage and more interior room. the hemi powered rear drive 300 and charger will be retained to fill their proper role as specialty models built mostly for status rather than for wide market appeal. this is quite smart but sorry chrysler the 300m i recently purchased for a few songs should last me for 8+ years. of course keep the rwd 300c for the police who like dangerous chases. in the midsize segment the current mitsubishi sourced sebring and avenger awkwardly styled in the theme of a brick set on edge will be replaced by lower sleeker and more aerodynamic models. in the compact segement the pt cruiser will be retained since it has proven appeal as a styling curiousity. i guess if it sells why not. imo its styling is worse than the caliper. the dodge caliber also curiously styled but without a retro look to work in its favor will be replaced by a conventionally styled small car which will have wider appeal. too bad his will come too late for me. actually the compass would be easier to change for my liking simply replace the jeep front end. chrysler doesnt need two jeep front end cars in this class. my dealer told me they just dont know how to sell the split personalty compass. true story! mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time per
From : dori a schmetterling
dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : matthew russotto
comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote mercedes announcement that these changes can be accomplished in a six to twelve month time period and at a cost of a mere $1.6 billion initially baffled industry observers. i wondered how chrysler could produce three new lines of roomy and economical front drive cars - cars that are right for america - so quickly and for so little money said joseph camel of the brand research institute. joe camel eh -- its times like these which make me glad my bank is dial-a-mattress .
From : edward ohare
on fri 5 dec 2008 111618 -0800 pst lloyd lparker@emory.edu wrote on dec 4 857pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote on thu 4 dec 2008 104357 -0000 dori a schmetterling blame the foreigners.... they were in charge. youd perhaps like to blame oh lynn townsend or someone like that as motor trend points out this month blame iacocca for putting eaton up as his successor instead of lutz. also id say blame eaton for being the worst negotiator since the indians sold manhattan. blame americans who dumped their dc stock instead of holding onto it and using it to influence the new company. so.... motor trend is using the same logic as rush limbaugh now who blames the democratic **minority** in congress 1998-2006 bill clinton and jimmy carter for our current economic woes despite the admiration i have for him generally iacocca didnt do well the last few years. hanging onto the k platform for one more encore as an imitation big car dynasty/new yorker was a terrible mistake. .
From : edward ohare
on fri 5 dec 2008 222638 -0000 dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/renault#therenaultnissanalliance.282000.e2.80.93.29 although this is a wikipedia reference it looks accurate. alliance since 1999 with sharecross-holdings. agreed to march 27 1999. and you can see here http//community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/date=19990310&slug=2948681 that daimlerchrysler gave up on trying to get nissan march 10 1999. so schrempp and co were out of it before ghosen and co stepped in. carlos ghosn was sent by renault to turn nissan around which he did so he got promoted to be boss of renault as well. and schrempp got put out to pasture. .
From : edward ohare
on thu 4 dec 2008 123144 -0800 pst lloyd lparker@emory.edu wrote on dec 3 106pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote i dont know who talked schrempp out of buying nissan youre talking like you were a mouse in the corner during the meetings. nissan was on the brink. there was nothing to snap up. taking on nissan was taking on a huge risk. oh yea ghosen did well but would schrempp have chrysler already had money in mitsubishi. actually they had sold all their shares years earlier. ok then that disproves your point about how chrysler wanted to be involved. you say chrysler people had confidence in mitsubishi but the actions theyve taken over the years dont show that. their involvement with mitsubishi was usually to fill a need on a temporary basis. well they started in 1970 and used mitsu products for what 20+ years plus the normal il factory. time. as you observe above they took their money out of mitsubishi. and they sold their share of diamond-star. they were pulling out and mercedes got them involved again. when chevy and ford started selling the vega and pinto chrysler sourced the colt and then the arrow from mitsubishi. but then when they were able to build their own small car the omni/horizon they cut out mitsubishi in that size class. no they didnt. colts were sold through 1994 16 years after the omni/ horizon were introduced. i ***agree*** a car named colt was sold later. i ***disagree*** the car named colt sold after the omni/horizon introduction was in the same market segment as the omni/horizon. see above... cut out mitsubshi in that size class. for example 77 colt at a 92 inch wheelbase 78 horizon at 99 inches. but even smaller cars had become popular so they again unable to build one sourced a smaller colt from mitsubishi one down in the ford fiesta/toyota starlet class. there was no hiatus. and the colt was more the size of the rabbit and civic and corolla fx not the fiesta. i owned a fiesta; it was smaller. think the plymouth champ style colt. remember the one with the twin stick trans well again from what i read it was the chrysler execs who convinced daimler to tie up with mitsu instead of nissan. it doesnt make sense that the guys who pulled away who built their own cars and own engines for segments where they previously bought from mitsubishi and made money doing it wanted to become mere vehicle distributors again. i dont see that mercedes missed anything by failing to snap up a decimated nissan. imagine the mid-sizes on the altima platform instead of a lancer platform. the small on a sentra instead of a lancer. the journey on a murano platform instead of you guess it a lancer. you dont know nissan would have done well under schrempp. gee he might have turned all the nissan cars into wagons and all the infinitis into trucks! after all they took a healthy company chrysler and ran it into the dirt. did you read the business week quote somebodys opinion that doesnt match up with the facts i see. and the actions over the years indicate a consistent effort by chrysler people not to rely on mitsubishi. except for the sebring avenger caliber compass patriot journey -- all on mitsu platforms. uh lloyd thats the point. decisions to do these things were with mercedes in charge. oh and the caliber... i checked a friends today and the vin starts with a 1 which ive only seen on us assembly of big three cars toyota nissan etc na assembly get a 4 first in the vin and the door decal says manufactured by daimler chrysler. so are you sure of the origin of this car .
From : zayton
--- hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- **do not toppost!** ... oh right sorry! it reverses the logical order of a conversation. why is it confusing its confusing. why not you really shouldnt top-post. i think you and other bottom-posters hark back to another era the dawn of the internet and usenet... i understand that some people still look at usenet groups in certain ways which makes it easier to follow a thread if bottom-posting is applied. i have actually seen this myself. however many of us now use for example outlook express for usenet where top-posting is preferable. so i am afraid i and i think quite a few other people see no reason why we should bottom-post. the best approach is mutual tolerance. why get angry over such a trivial thing why not get angry with those people with all those people who dont snip forcing one to scroll though loads of unimportant stuff move on to more important things das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling ill try a less polite way then. moving your reply above to its present position below mine allows it to be read as as part of a conversation. top posters have no interest in entering into a conversation only in firing off essays witty one liners etc. which are intended to stand on their own rather than contributing to a conversation with other posters. top posters are revealing that they have no respect for others contributions they assume that their brilliance simply replaces everything that has been said before and that readers will not profit by knowing what they are replying to.. .
From : dori a schmetterling
i know this scene - saw it not that long ago on youtube my 11-yr-old loves monty python but i didnt make the connection with reminiscing about old diesels mine was slower than yours / i suffered more than you did... das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote i am. what did i miss ..... the three yorkshire men vis a vis who has the slowest diesel. to wit when discussing their hard times when young while drinking chateua le chateaulai or some such thing now we had it tough lived in the bottom of a lake got up half hour before we went to bed and our father would slash into us with breadknifes if.... you get the drift. reminiscent of the diesel of old discussion and how slow they were... - i guess its just me.... i seem to associate a lot with the python group. cheers das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote you mean from a minus value das yes. btw i notice that no one here appears to be a monty python fan - cheers to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in message ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : lloyd
on dec 4 857=a0pm edward ohare edwardoh...@nospam.yahoo.com.invalid wrote on thu 4 dec 2008 104357 -0000 dori a schmetterling nob...@spam.co.uk wrote and didnt renault already have cooperation with and/or shareholding in nissan dont think so but i could be wrong. btw arent you kidding yourself that it was mercedes that spoiled a hea= lthy chrysler =a0chrysler was a vehicle pun intended for merc to have larg= e sales in the us and to give the german executives an excuse to pay themselves ridiculously high american wages. =a0hardly motives to wreck chrysler. i didnt say they intended to ruin chrysler. =a0im only observing they did. blame the foreigners.... they were in charge. =a0youd perhaps like to blame oh lynn townsend or someone like that as motor trend points out this month blame iacocca for putting eaton up as his successor instead of lutz. also id say blame eaton for being the worst negotiator since the indians sold manhattan. blame americans who dumped their dc stock instead of holding onto it and using it to influence the new company. .
From : dori a schmetterling
i think you and other bottom-posters hark back to another era the dawn of the internet and usenet... i understand that some people still look at usenet groups in certain ways which makes it easier to follow a thread if bottom-posting is applied. i have actually seen this myself. however many of us now use for example outlook express for usenet where top-posting is preferable. so i am afraid i and i think quite a few other people see no reason why we should bottom-post. the best approach is mutual tolerance. why get angry over such a trivial thing why not get angry with those people with all those people who dont snip forcing one to scroll though loads of unimportant stuff move on to more important things das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- hello dictator peterd. dont bottom-post. i find it intensely inconvenient and irritating as i have to scroll though loads of repeat stuff just to get to a few pearls of wisdom. but i only tell you that and not the other bottom-posters as it is a case of chacun a son gout. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- **do not toppost!** ... oh right sorry! it reverses the logical order of a conversation. why is it confusing its confusing. why not you really shouldnt top-post. .
From : guenter scholz
dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote i am. what did i miss ...... the three yorkshire men vis a vis who has the slowest diesel. to wit when discussing their hard times when young while drinking chateua le chateaulai or some such thing now we had it tough lived in the bottom of a lake got up half hour before we went to bed and our father would slash into us with breadknifes if.... you get the drift. reminiscent of the diesel of old discussion and how slow they were... - i guess its just me.... i seem to associate a lot with the python group. cheers das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote you mean from a minus value das yes. btw i notice that no one here appears to be a monty python fan - cheers to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in message ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : dori a schmetterling
i am. what did i miss das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote you mean from a minus value das yes. btw i notice that no one here appears to be a monty python fan - cheers to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote in message ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : dori a schmetterling
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/renault#therenaultnissanalliance.282000.e2.80.93.29 although this is a wikipedia reference it looks accurate. alliance since 1999 with sharecross-holdings. carlos ghosn was sent by renault to turn nissan around which he did so he got promoted to be boss of renault as well. das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- on thu 4 dec 2008 104357 -0000 dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote and didnt renault already have cooperation with and/or shareholding in nissan dont think so but i could be wrong. btw arent you kidding yourself that it was mercedes that spoiled a healthy chrysler chrysler was a vehicle pun intended for merc to have large sales in the us and to give the german executives an excuse to pay themselves ridiculously high american wages. hardly motives to wreck chrysler. i didnt say they intended to ruin chrysler. im only observing they did. blame the foreigners.... they were in charge. youd perhaps like to blame oh lynn townsend or someone like that .
From : edward ohare
on thu 4 dec 2008 104357 -0000 dori a schmetterling nobody@spam.co.uk wrote and didnt renault already have cooperation with and/or shareholding in nissan dont think so but i could be wrong. btw arent you kidding yourself that it was mercedes that spoiled a healthy chrysler chrysler was a vehicle pun intended for merc to have large sales in the us and to give the german executives an excuse to pay themselves ridiculously high american wages. hardly motives to wreck chrysler. i didnt say they intended to ruin chrysler. im only observing they did. blame the foreigners.... they were in charge. youd perhaps like to blame oh lynn townsend or someone like that .
From : dori a schmetterling
you mean from a minus value das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- yes but the math is probably stil correct.... rise to zero - cheers guenter bill putney bptn@kinez.net wrote dori - its satire -- bill putney to reply by e-mail replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter x dori a schmetterling wrote dont understand the maths ...we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! fall to zero maybe das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- ... this is an investment in the future said mercedes spokesman heinreich tungensheek. by spending this money we expect the value of our 20% stake in chrysler will eventually rise to zero! .
From : dori a schmetterling
and didnt renault already have cooperation with and/or shareholding in nissan btw arent you kidding yourself that it was mercedes that spoiled a healthy chrysler chrysler was a vehicle pun intended for merc to have large sales in the us and to give the german executives an excuse to pay themselves ridiculously high american wages. hardly motives to wreck chrysler. blame the foreigners.... das to send an e-mail directly replace spam with schmetterling --- on tue 2 dec 2008 124426 -0800 pst lloyd lparker@emory.edu wrote ... chrysler already had money in mitsubishi. they didnt put more into mitsubishi as an alternative to buying nissan. when mitsubishi got into trouble and schrempp wanted to invest more the mercedes board stopped him. ... i dont see that mercedes missed anything by failing to snap up a decimated nissan. after all they took a healthy company chrysler and ran it into the dirt. and the actions over the years indicate a consistent effort by chrysler people not to rely on mitsubishi. .
From : josh s
u--dnzsku6dbfkvunz2dnuvzuadnz2d@posted.eaglecomputertechnology napalmheart olsonfamnospam@iserv.net wrote ************** the is funny and makes some sense but is it really a time to poke more fun at chrysler robber mercedes ************* fpcgnd8qst37.taje6ypns1y5.dlg@40tude.net comments4u comments4u@nospam.mindspring.com.invalid wrote you didnt understand that this was a satire and likely has no basis in fact. you should read before you post. .