Maybe time for Dodge to look for another diesel engine supplier

From : geekboy

Q: this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

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From : miles

max dodge wrote sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. the usa isnt the only market for them. pretty tough to be competitive worldwide if they didnt look for cheaper sources. .

From : roy

this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb ive said it before. you really dont have a clue do ya roy .

From : carolina watercraft works

this merely means they may consider having the parts they require manufactured in india instead of where they are currently manufactured is all. the design wouldnt change...just the country of origin. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : snoman

on sun 11 jun 2006 070041 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. what is sad about protecting environment i guess you would rather industry has a blank check on pollution liabilty. there is a town in motana butte that has many areas of destoryed land and water problem because of no regulation in years past and they are still dealing with it today at tax payer expense. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .

From : max dodge

the usa isnt the only market for them. pretty tough to be competitive worldwide if they didnt look for cheaper sources. agreed. pretty tough to be competitive here without cheaper sources. but with all the enviro-regs on foundries its tough to stay competitive here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. the usa isnt the only market for them. pretty tough to be competitive worldwide if they didnt look for cheaper sources. .

From : max dodge

what is sad about protecting environment not a damn thing. the problem is that we must also look to balance the needs of an industrial society with those of the environment. what is sad is that the regs became so tight and expense inducing that weve literally cut off our industry in favor of the environment. so now we have the same half assed conservation efforts and no industry to fund them. it could be that industry and the environment work together but the epa and other agencies as well as the enviro lobbies havent figured that out yet. this despite paying $3.00 a gallon for gas. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on sun 11 jun 2006 070041 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. what is sad about protecting environment i guess you would rather industry has a blank check on pollution liabilty. there is a town in motana butte that has many areas of destoryed land and water problem because of no regulation in years past and they are still dealing with it today at tax payer expense. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .

From : geekboy

this merely means they may consider having the parts they require manufactured in india instead of where they are currently manufactured is all. the design wouldnt change...just the country of origin. -- guess you have not got to know indian culture. i did while attending school for my degree in computer science. the chinese students were very clean hard working and very studious. indians on the other hand lived like they never seen a civilization and lived in apartments that they turned into shit-holes. i had a part time business of selling refab computers around the campus. i delivered many computers to their apartments. all of them were crammed with students meant for only 2 or 4 that far exceeded their capacity and extremely dirty. every semester scores of indians were caught cheating on exams and plagiarism on papers. these people are the ones who are suppose to be the top castes in india. who do you think is going to work on those parts not these top class citizens of india ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : carolina watercraft works

cheap labor is the target bubba...you think anyone cares how they live -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this merely means they may consider having the parts they require manufactured in india instead of where they are currently manufactured is all. the design wouldnt change...just the country of origin. -- guess you have not got to know indian culture. i did while attending school for my degree in computer science. the chinese students were very clean hard working and very studious. indians on the other hand lived like they never seen a civilization and lived in apartments that they turned into shit-holes. i had a part time business of selling refab computers around the campus. i delivered many computers to their apartments. all of them were crammed with students meant for only 2 or 4 that far exceeded their capacity and extremely dirty. every semester scores of indians were caught cheating on exams and plagiarism on papers. these people are the ones who are suppose to be the top castes in india. who do you think is going to work on those parts not these top class citizens of india ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. this is only a means to save face after claiming that certain foreign students are filthy and sloppy. ill amend my statement to make it more clear for you facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various non-caucasion foreign less than up to code college students. it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments

From : Annonymous

interesting article looks like we still get the pollution but without the jobs. ny times june 11 2006 business section hanjing china - one of chinas lesser-known exports is a dangerous brew of soot toxic chemicals and climate-changing gases from the smokestacks of coal-burning power plants. coal-burning factories like the gu dian steel plant have given shanxi province in china a dickensian feel. in early april a dense cloud of pollutants over northern china sailed to nearby seoul sweeping along dust and desert sand before wafting across the pacific. an american satellite spotted the cloud as it crossed the west coast. researchers in california oregon and washington noticed specks of sulfur compounds carbon and other byproducts of coal combustion coating the silvery surfaces of their mountaintop detectors. these microscopic particles can work their way deep into the lungs contributing to respiratory damage heart disease and cancer. filters near lake tahoe in the mountains of eastern california are the darkest that weve seen outside smoggy urban areas said steven s. cliff an atmospheric scientist at the university of california at davis. more max dodge wrote the usa isnt the only market for them. pretty tough to be competitive worldwide if they didnt look for cheaper sources. agreed. pretty tough to be competitive here without cheaper sources. but with all the enviro-regs on foundries its tough to stay competitive here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. the usa isnt the only market for them. pretty tough to be competitive worldwide if they didnt look for cheaper sources. .

From : max dodge

see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : christopher thompson

i couldnt imagine cummins wanting to let quality slip. fire departments and emergency responce units use thier engines and can not afford any risk of failure. the latest truck bought by the local fire department was cummins powered surely they would like to keep this business not to mention passanger truck and otr rigs. just my take on things -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

cheap labor is the target bubba...you think anyone cares how they live please pay attention to all of my message. it mentions abotu how they are not just how they live. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this merely means they may consider having the parts they require manufactured in india instead of where they are currently manufactured is all. the design wouldnt change...just the country of origin. -- guess you have not got to know indian culture. i did while attending school for my degree in computer science. the chinese students were very clean hard working and very studious. indians on the other hand lived like they never seen a civilization and lived in apartments that they turned into shit-holes. i had a part time business of selling refab computers around the campus. i delivered many computers to their apartments. all of them were crammed with students meant for only 2 or 4 that far exceeded their capacity and extremely dirty. every semester scores of indians were caught cheating on exams and plagiarism on papers. these people are the ones who are suppose to be the top castes in india. who do you think is going to work on those parts not these top class citizens of india ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : carolina watercraft works

i got it the first time...just dont see how its relevant. im 100% sure that if the end product is not up to cummins standards they wont be manufactured there. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels cheap labor is the target bubba...you think anyone cares how they live please pay attention to all of my message. it mentions abotu how they are not just how they live. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this merely means they may consider having the parts they require manufactured in india instead of where they are currently manufactured is all. the design wouldnt change...just the country of origin. -- guess you have not got to know indian culture. i did while attending school for my degree in computer science. the chinese students were very clean hard working and very studious. indians on the other hand lived like they never seen a civilization and lived in apartments that they turned into shit-holes. i had a part time business of selling refab computers around the campus. i delivered many computers to their apartments. all of them were crammed with students meant for only 2 or 4 that far exceeded their capacity and extremely dirty. every semester scores of indians were caught cheating on exams and plagiarism on papers. these people are the ones who are suppose to be the top castes in india. who do you think is going to work on those parts not these top class citizens of india ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : max dodge

not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : napalmheart

ok...i stand corrected....youre a moron as well. i feel like im having a battle of wits with an unarmed combatant. time to revise a filter to include this moron too. thats what everyone on usenet does when they have lost a debate. see ya! a college friend of mine is from india. totally opposite of what you described. very clean neat and well-dressed. one of the smartest people that i know. the last i knew of him is that he is a senior design engineer for intel and still lives here in the usa. i graduated from college 20 years ago. ken .

From : carolina watercraft works

holy crap...are you freaking blind or just stupid minority as in the number of college students vs the remaining population. you are basing your prejudiced opinion based on a limited observation of the minority number of the overall population. imo that pretty much means you are stereotyping all indians with your bigoted point of view. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : carolina watercraft works

ok...i stand corrected....youre a moron as well. i feel like im having a battle of wits with an unarmed combatant. time to revise a filter to include this moron too. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels holy crap...are you freaking blind or just stupid minority as in the number of college students vs the remaining population. you are basing your prejudiced opinion based on a limited observation of the minority number of the overall population. imo that pretty much means you are stereotyping all indians with your bigoted point of view. i guess you never been near any type of school. when 3/4 of the student body is chinese or indian thay is hardly a minority of students. thanks to your congress those people are allowed in the us en masse then take your job out of the country at a much lower wage scale using your public education institution. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels .

From : geekboy

ok...i stand corrected....youre a moron as well. i feel like im having a battle of wits with an unarmed combatant. time to revise a filter to include this moron too. thats what everyone on usenet does when they have lost a debate. see ya! -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels holy crap...are you freaking blind or just stupid minority as in the number of college students vs the remaining population. you are basing your prejudiced opinion based on a limited observation of the minority number of the overall population. imo that pretty much means you are stereotyping all indians with your bigoted point of view. i guess you never been near any type of school. when 3/4 of the student body is chinese or indian thay is hardly a minority of students. thanks to your congress those people are allowed in the us en masse then take your job out of the country at a much lower wage scale using your public education institution. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

holy crap...are you freaking blind or just stupid minority as in the number of college students vs the remaining population. you are basing your prejudiced opinion based on a limited observation of the minority number of the overall population. imo that pretty much means you are stereotyping all indians with your bigoted point of view. i guess you never been near any type of school. when 3/4 of the student body is chinese or indian thay is hardly a minority of students. thanks to your congress those people are allowed in the us en masse then take your job out of the country at a much lower wage scale using your public education institution. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a

From : max dodge

you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. this is only a means to save face after claiming that certain foreign students are filthy and sloppy. ill amend my statement to make it more clear for you facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various non-caucasion foreign less than up to code college students. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

ok...i stand corrected....youre a moron as well. i feel like im having a battle of wits with an unarmed combatant. time to revise a filter to include this moron too. thats what everyone on usenet does when they have lost a debate. see ya! a college friend of mine is from india. totally opposite of what you described. very clean neat and well-dressed. one of the smartest people that i know. the last i knew of him is that he is a senior design engineer for intel and still lives here in the usa. i graduated from college 20 years ago. yes 20 years ago and 450000000 less indians. times have changed ken -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : geekboy

you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. this is only a means to save face after claiming that certain foreign students are filthy and sloppy. ill amend my statement to make it more clear for you facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various non-caucasion foreign less than up to code college students. it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. facts based on the quality of the parts might have been more pertinent than facts based on the living conditions of various minority college students. you cannot call 1 billion indians nor 1.2 billion chinese a minority. sounds like you have been socially conditioned brain washed about what the fact of the matters are. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author see my reply above to find out how bad. instead of judging people and a culture to decide how bad a set of connecting rods are i prefer to check the connecting rods. since cummins does not have a huge quality problem my guess is that the parts are at least usable if not excellent quality. not judging just presenting the facts as i saw them. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be see my reply above to find out how bad. sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this could the begining of the end for cummins. gb --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http//www.thehindu.com/2006/06/10/stories/2006061001711800.htm chennai cummins u.s. a global leader in manufacture of diesel engines proposes to increase sourcing of supplies from india from $150 million at present to $500 million by 2010 according to ravi krishnappa director engine business global sourcing of the company. india and china were the leading suppliers of engines and components to cummins at present while sourcing was also done from brazil mexico eastern europe and taiwan mr. krishnappa said in a chat with presspersons on friday on the occasion of the inauguration of the global auto components sourcing fair being organised at the chennai trade centre by the aiema ambattur industrial estate manufacturers association technology centre atc. the fair is being held concurrently with the acmee 2006 seventh industrial exhibition. he said the indian auto components sector would have to develop capabilities in advanced fuel systems advanced electronics and sensors and these would happen with enforcement of higher standards of emission control. the cummins director said the coming into being of free trade agreements ftas would make a big difference to sourcing of auto components and cross border investments across the world. earlier inaugurating the fair mr. krishnappa said important aspects like quality price and delivery being equal only those suppliers would be able to score in the market who develop the culture of customer support by which he meant the capability to understand what it takes to please the customer. s. seetharaman managing director super auto forge ltd which has developed a strong supplier relationship with bosch in the world market said indian suppliers would have a competitive advantage if they opted for components requiring a few secondary operations. dilip kumbhat chairman atc appealed to har sahay meena additional director of industries and commerce of tamil nadu for support to aiemas initiatives including the establishment of a certification laboratory of international standard through the chennai auto ancillaries industrial infrastructure upgradation company caaiiuc. -- posted via a free usenet account

From : bret ludwig

max dodge wrote this could the begining of the end for cummins given that they already use $150m in parts fro moverseas how bad could those parts be sadly the epa and other enviro-lobbies are the ones that pushed foundries out of the u.s. no. congress did. the epa enforces laws congress passes. i am glad we have environmental laws because i can remember pittsburgh cleveland indianapolis detroit cincinnati chicago in the old days. filthy. what we needed to go along with the environmental laws was an environmental offset tariff to keep companies from offshoring. yes the price of castings would have went up. but not that badly. raw castings prices are a small percent of the cost of anything. .

From : bret ludwig

napalmheart wrote snip a college friend of mine is from india. totally opposite of what you described. very clean neat and well-dressed. one of the smartest people that i know. the last i knew of him is that he is a senior design engineer for intel and still lives here in the usa. i graduated from college 20 years ago. many indians are fine people and very bright. no one contests this. what i contest is the effect on american engineering and it careers allowing all the brightest indians to come here instead of fixing the problems in their country. h-1b is a job assassination program. pure and simple. the cream of indian tech people are badly needed....in india. taking them away is a huge disservice to india. letting sun and oracle and intel and m$ hire them is a huge disservice to americans. .

From : bret ludwig

if dodge wants a new supplier of diesel engines there is one obvious choice daimlerchrysler. mbz has more experience in automotive diesel than anyone else in the world. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 24 jun 2006 193051 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote same conditons. it is all in the proper gearing for load and engine not the engines type. absolutely... but what you continue to fail to recognize is that while your 8.1l gasser with a 4.56 gear tell ya what - since this is a dodge group lets keep it dodge-centric... 8.0l v10 with a 4.56 and an nv5600 - while that engine/tranny/gear combination will keep up with a cummins 5.9l a 3.73 gear and the same transmission... its going to get less than half the fuel economy doing so. its not just about doing the job - its about the cost-effectiveness of doing the job. and.... since were talking about pick-ups here - vehicles that very often pull double duty as both load haulers and daily drivers - its completely impractical to talk about a gasser with a 4.56 rear. youre looking at 8mpg tops given that my 8.0l with a 4.10 gets about 10mpg and those with a 3.54 get about 12mpg compared to 18mpg with a cummins. yanking 10000lbs. around youre lucky to get 5-6mpg from the gas combination whereas my cummins gets about 14mpg pulling that weight. now... which vehicle would you choose the one that gets 8mpg empty and 6mpg towing or the one that gets 18mpg empty and 14mpg towing this is not a difficult question... ill take the one that runs on empty. beekeep .

From : geekboy

it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. not yet... long read but confirms what i had indicated here. sure youwill still want to buy cummins after they invest more into india --------------------------------------------------------- offshore outsourcing i.e. bpo especially to india has a high failure rate and is leading to a new pheonmenon backsourcing/backshoring and the h-1b swindle. june 12 2005 revision adds bw business week article reference on apple pulling out of india see item #14 june 6 2006 revision adds one question #4 about economic conditions in india and references in item #13 below. may 5 2006 revision companies hiring foreigners on h1b visas are less interested in quality work and more interested in cheap labor see item #12 below. faq question #1 how well is offshore outsourcing & bpo especially to india really working answer below are twelve different sources 1-11 14 and many comments summaries and quotes that report that the failure rates are very high and satisfaction is not very high either. especially in reference # 10 it is clear that you dont get increased productivity. instead when the cost goes down so does the quality of what comes out. question #2 instead of offshoring jobs to for example india us companies import foreign labor to the usa through a visa such as the h-1b which requires that the employee work only for the company that sponsors that visa and they justify this on a shortage of it expertise in the usa. how true is this picture answer reference #12 below is a source of information that h-1b employers are more interested in cheap labor than quality service or products. question #3 are there any anti-offshoring internet resources answer see at the very end of this file one website. if you know of any more please send email to me or post to the groups. question #4 what bpo economic changes are currently being reported for india answer see item #13 below. --------------------- 14. subject more india bpo failure in business week june 19 2006 issue page 48 title india why apple walked away subtitle plans for an indian tech support center have been scrapped. a cautionary tale by manjeet kripalani and peter burrows. quotes just three months back apple ...was talking about hiring 3000 workers by 2007 in bangalore.... these plans are now cancelled and most of the 30 existing employees in bangalore have been dismissed. the factors mentioned as working against the original plan include entry level pay at tech and outsourcing companies climbed by as much as 13% annually from 2000 to 2004 while salaries for midlevel managers jumped 30% a year during the same period.... also cited as a problem was high turnover. thus the financial advantage of sending work to india has just about vanished. -------------- 13. quote from cfo magazine june 2006 page 17 may be on their website cfo.com i did not check passing on india rising wages in india are eating into some of the cost advantages of sending work to the popular outsourcing destination. wages have increased roughly 11 percent in each of the last three years with little sign of abating says michael spellacy vice president at the boston consulting group. in major cities like bombay and bangalore inflation has climbed as high as 14 percent with worker attrition rates now averaging 25%. a full time worker in outsourced financial services in india earns between $22000 and $27000 spellacy says. also in the economist june 3rd 2006 issue is a special report on india a survey of business in india with the title now for the hard part and on page 6 of the special report center section of the issue is a large article if in doubt farm it out on the difficulty india is having finding workers for this great expansion in bpo service to the outside world. --------------------- 12. the article the h-1b swindle by ephraim schwartz appearing in infoworld october 31 2005 page 12 has the subtitle a new study suggests that companies hire foreign workers for cheap labor not skill. the article goes on to say it appears there is hard evidence to prove that employers are us

From : geekboy

i couldnt imagine cummins wanting to let quality slip. fire departments and emergency responce units use thier engines and can not afford any risk of failure. the latest truck bought by the local fire department was cummins powered surely they would like to keep this business not to mention passanger truck and otr rigs. just my take on things offshore outsourcing i.e. bpo especially to india has a high failure rate and is leading to a new pheonmenon backsourcing/backshoring and the h-1b swindle. june 12 2005 revision adds business week article reference on apple pulling out of india see item #14 june 6 2006 revision adds one question #4 about economic conditions in india and references in item #13 below. may 5 2006 revision companies hiring foreigners on h1b visas are less interested in quality work and more interested in cheap labor see item #12 below. faq question #1 how well is offshore outsourcing & bpo especially to india really working answer below are twelve different sources 1-11 14 and many comments summaries and quotes that report that the failure rates are very high and satisfaction is not very high either. especially in reference # 10 it is clear that you dont get increased productivity. instead when the cost goes down so does the quality of what comes out. question #2 instead of offshoring jobs to for example india us companies import foreign labor to the usa through a visa such as the h-1b which requires that the employee work only for the company that sponsors that visa and they justify this on a shortage of it expertise in the usa. how true is this picture answer reference #12 below is a source of information that h-1b employers are more interested in cheap labor than quality service or products. question #3 are there any anti-offshoring internet resources answer see at the very end of this file one website. if you know of any more please send email to me or post to the groups. question #4 what bpo economic changes are currently being reported for india answer see item #13 below. --------------------- 14. subject more india bpo failure in business week june 19 2006 issue page 48 title india why apple walked away subtitle plans for an indian tech support center have been scrapped. a cautionary tale by manjeet kripalani and peter burrows. quotes just three months back apple ...was talking about hiring 3000 workers by 2007 in bangalore.... these plans are now cancelled and most of the 30 existing employees in bangalore have been dismissed. the factors mentioned as working against the original plan include entry level pay at tech and outsourcing companies climbed by as much as 13% annually from 2000 to 2004 while salaries for midlevel managers jumped 30% a year during the same period.... also cited as a problem was high turnover. thus the financial advantage of sending work to india has just about vanished. -------------- 13. quote from cfo magazine june 2006 page 17 may be on their website cfo.com i did not check passing on india rising wages in india are eating into some of the cost advantages of sending work to the popular outsourcing destination. wages have increased roughly 11 percent in each of the last three years with little sign of abating says michael spellacy vice president at the boston consulting group. in major cities like bombay and bangalore inflation has climbed as high as 14 percent with worker attrition rates now averaging 25%. a full time worker in outsourced financial services in india earns between $22000 and $27000 spellacy says. also in the economist june 3rd 2006 issue is a special report on india a survey of business in india with the title now for the hard part and on page 6 of the special report center section of the issue is a large article if in doubt farm it out on the difficulty india is having finding workers for this great expansion in bpo service to the outside world. --------------------- 12. the article the h-1b swindle by ephraim schwartz appearing in infoworld october 31 2005 page 12 has the subtitle a new study suggests that companies hire foreign workers for cheap labor not skill. the article goes on to say it appears there is hard evidence to prove that employers are using the h-1b visa program to hire cheap labor; that is to pay substantially lower wages than the national average for programming jobs infoworld.com/3449 the article goes into additional detail and cites data sources such as bls infoworld.com/3450 and dols h-1b website infoworld.com/3451. across the board foreigners were being paid less. as a general fact companies have a financial incentive to preferentially recruit foreigners because they know foreigners will accept a job offer at a lower wage. --------------------- 11. a study show that outsourcing really does not save as claimed. http//www.boston.com/business/technology/articles/2006/04/13/ outsourcingsavesle

From : roy

it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. not yet... wtf!! a cut and paste expert!! .

From : geekboy

it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. not yet... wtf!! a cut and paste expert!! well at least i am an expert at something unlike you -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. not yet... wtf!! a cut and paste expert!! well at least i am an expert at something unlike you you havent been right since you started posting here. your record remains intact. .

From : Annonymous

on tue 13 jun 2006 105540 -0700 geekboy nerds@nerd.com wrote it is leading up tp that. how many quality products have you heard about coming from india as compared to china havent done any research on it but id bet its far more than youll admit. further id bet that those products are purchased each and every day in this country. still doesnt have anything to do with the college students you encountered. china can make junk when trying to be cheap but can make very high quality stuff. so.... why cant india there was a 60 minutes segment on china a a week ago about counterfeit drugs. there were so good copies that they only to be sure of they were real was to send them to the company holding the tradmark name and test them in their labs. terrific and this has to do with cummins parts how really its showing the huge flaw in your assumptions. done here. not yet... wtf!! a cut and paste expert!! well at least i am an expert at something unlike you i dont think that i would take being a cut and paste expert with quite so much pride. its kind of like being an expert in being able to feed yourself. and put a little more effort into your come backs. this one was weak and im trying to be kind when i call it weak because you obviously dont handle criticism too well and i dont want to upset you. .