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From : roy

Q: writes i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody the 3500 dually is preferred if youre going to be 5th wheeling but a lot of extra money to be spending if you arent so you probably need to make the 5th wheel decision yes or no before buying the truck. beyond that the 2500 & 3500 have about equal pulling power. the 2500 will get slightly better fuel economy since its a little lighter. just my 2 worth. do not want to go with a dually at this time. roy .

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From : hattmakr

on mon 7 feb 2005 133530 -0600 jim m jim wrote brent d wrote many... blah blah blah...dealership. brent who cares i agree with that whole heartedly frank....not only is he constantly talking about himself and whining about lord knows what....comparing himself to a freaking doctor because he can twist a wrench and follow directions....but this post has nothing to do with dodge trucks.... he must get whipped and ridaculed a lot at work ...i wonder if he does work by the amount of posts i see here....when at work he must constantly be seeking out ataboys and is not getting them which causes him to post this drivel on this ng...i call them high maintenance workers as i generally have had a few employees like that..... so brent....atta boy maybe this will stop the freaking whining ...life isnt fair...get over it. jim lets just be thankful that he doesnt work for the post office. beekeep hey i work for the post office! but i gotta say we got more than our share of brents but we cant do anything about them. i just tend to ignore them and life goes on.... hd .

From : roy

roy wrote they have a big parade set for tomorrow morning in boston it will be a zoo. sorry roy ive been to boston and they certainly dont need a parade up there to be a zoo. jerry .

From : roy

wow thank you for all the info. it was verry helpfull. as for the ceramic pads not bending if its a powder would the powder nead to bend just a question. buy the sounds of it for a daily driver organic sounds like the best bet. but for hauling a trailer if it was what was on the truck to begin with ill get them agian. they lasted this long and the roters and drums have hardlly any wear on them.. so organic by the looks of it. is that what napa makes them out of there is a napa in our tiny town so ill pick some up. patrick well there are really only a few types of pad materials useable on a daily driver. organic pads- older tech but will stop better than just about every other type once. then they build up heat and fade. so they developed semi-metallic- which are organic pads with metal binders. the metal usually brass provides faster heat dissipation and gives longer wear at the detriment to rotor life. heat has to go someplace plus any metal will increase the wear to the rotors. then there are carbon fiber pads/shoes. they are great once they warm up to temperature. but the first time you step on the pedal with cold pads you will notice they dont grip as hard. then there are ceramic pads. they are semi metallic pads using a ceramic powder and high temperature to sinter the base materials into pads. they are also good pads they grab better hot than cold but are still better than cf on the first stop. however you can plan on rotors at just about every brake pad change. for drums you can get organics semis and some cf shoes. the ceramics dont flex very well so i dont think they will translate into a shoe very well. also with drums try to find a shop that still knows how to grind the shoes to fit a worn or turned drum that helps eliminate a lot of problems caused by the flexing of the backer shoe and the lack of contact that results with a turned drum. -- steve williams ok i was fishing for anything bad about ceramic brakes on an earlier post. so i might as well ask the group about all brakes then. what are the ups and downs about all the kinds of brakes that are made what should i get. yes i have front anti-lock and real drum. i wish i could get drums on front but thats another story. i do quite a bit of off road and trailer hauling. so all info would be wonderfull. and as for the ford comercial lattely about no anti-lock brakes and cromple zones. its kinda funny my trailers do. where are they getting there info from at the addvertising department. just a personal funny. patrick ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : tom lawrence

tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote i think im seeing a trend here... chrysler-trained techs dont know how to quote a reply properly thats ol glenn couldnt format a response if his life depended on it. makes me laugh that hes the pride of chrycos service departments. .

From : mac davis

the paint on my 97 is beginning to fail delaminate. i thought that they had fixed that problem oh well. the sad thing is that the paint that is holding still looks like new. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ive a friend that uses zaino on his vette and just loves it. looks great too even after 6 months when he is about to appy it again. the finish is so good he dusts off his car between washes. im going to send for some myself soon. you can find it at http//www.zainostore.com/ and while there learn how to use all the different stuff that they peddle. i use zaino on my pt cruiser and it looks great. when other people are complaining about paint problems with the cruiser i havent had a single problem knock on wood and i only do the zaino about twice a year and i dont do all the steps. looks brand new. used it on the truck a few times and people cant believe my truck is 10 years old. if they hadnt changed the body type i could probably pass it for a 3 year old truck and thats only because of a couple of parkinglot scratches and i backed into a cement pole and dented the rear bumper. -michele ; .

From : roy

robert i forgot to mention that i mave never visited tdr. at the time i posted alignment specs on this ng several individuals e-mailed me with questions. they informed me that they had found the specs on tdr. how my specs got there i dont know. brent .

From : mac davis

recently every time i start my 2001 durango rt the horn honks one time. if i open the door with the engine running and then close it again the horn honks. when i shut the engine off and exit the vehicle the horn will honk either when i close the door or anywhere from 2 to 15 seconds later. i dont have a security system except what is built into the durango by default nothing optional. the dealer has no clue what could be causing this. anybody got any thoughts .

From : mac davis

on sun 6 feb 2005 100044 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote iirc the 48re is also with the gas motors and has been trouble free. the 5.7 runs on the 87 octane fuel. its a 5-45rfe carrot breath! thanks for the clarification mike. it would seem ol wide ass has started his super bowl party a tad early. vbg roy must be distilling that carrot mash he made this summer... mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : tom lawrence

on sun 6 feb 2005 141416 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote i just bought a new 2005 3500 with the turbo 600. ill let ya know if something happens.. whats the mileage range of the failures -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- ----------------------------------------------------- mileage does not seem to matter. ive replaced injectors on trucks with only 1500 miles all the way to 80000 miles. if these injectors appear to be limited to this region i will be leaning torward possible poor fuel quality. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician looking at the tdr it would seem not to be region sensitive roy and not limited to dodge! look at the chevy and ford ngs. chevy seems to have the worst problems in fact. someone suggested that it may be due to the new injectors being built to handle the new emission requirements. i have no idea but it sounded good. seems with cummins it is #3 .

From : tom lawrence

roy wrote pats by 14 roy congrats to the pats roy. my iggles were defeated by a better team. the fair play on both sides of the ball was commendable. too often dirty play changes the outcome of a good game. this was not the case here. both teams played with heart and dignity. the officials were fair on both sides of the ball. would someone please pass the chowder yeah you too rabbit. the bandwagon rolls through here too. -p .

From : tom lawrence

from drgn1400@webtv.net brent d date 2/6/2005 424 pm central standard time perhaps i can chose to just sign brent and bring myself down to the level of ignorancy you have displayed. got any information worth sharing or just flaming as an immature child when making a charge that someone else is less than well educated it helps if you dont make up forms of words that dont exist. ignorancy http//dictionary.reference.com/searchq=ignorancy no entry found for ignorancy. did you mean ignorance if your intent was to show that he has less than average intelligence you started off with the wrong word to begin with. in your defense i dont recall any mechanics ive worked with who could claim to be decent welders and i wouldnt expect it of a mechanic. its not part and parcel of your job. i think that was a cheap shot but this is usenet and youve been accusatory towards the group in general so you should expect some of this. while i understand the points youre making i dont know what you expect us to do about your problems. ive been on both sides of the equation mechanic and customer. my choice was to get out of the business and i dont think i was nearly as unhappy as you purport to be. quite frankly ive had enough of dealers. if i never have to deal with one again it wont disappoint me in the least. buying used is much less hassle used car sellers are amateur liars and when caught typically dont deny theyre lying. since youre aware your posting of alignment specs has been on the tdr perhaps youve perused the site did you also notice the number of people over there attempting to use the word stealership you may have also noticed the site doesnt seem to permit that anymore. is that censorship or sticking your head in the sand do dealers have a customer relationship problem if so why if not why the dissatisfaction amongst the happy properly serviced customers robert .

From : denny

-- denny cmbba roy wrote pats by 14 roy rootin for the iggles to lose by less than that maybe even eek out a win. still 0-0 right now. so far so good. talk about a defensive first half.... im thinking the scoring is gonna happen the 4th qtr. .

From : roy

ok. ill make the assumption that this ford rotted like most of them mainly the bottom. instead of patching it with individual panels how about finding a cab that is in better shape and cutting the bottom off and welding it to your cab about like clipping on another vehicle. not really hard to do as long as you measure carefully. then once it is welded together clean it up good and undercoat it good to stop it from happening again. -- steve williams ------------------------------------------------------- thanks steve. this is a viable option but creates one problem . . finding a floor that is not rusted. if i did find a good donor cab i am not an expert body repair technician. i worry about the body spreading once the original floor is cut away. this can result in unnecessary pulling and stretching on panels to realign. would it be worth it to tack weld cross supports inside the cab to prevent this before cutting any advice is appreciated. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : denny

you may be right there but it doesnt seem to help them with repairs. jam i know it may seem that way but the automotive service industry is one of the most technically challenging you will find. it aint easy repairing vehicles today. i would challenge anyone who is interested to come and spend a week in my or one of my techs shoes.... i think you would change your tune and maybe have a new respect for what we are up against. mike as an electronics technician i have to work on everything from tubes to satellites. on top of that i had to read the service manual and do the research so i could tell my dodge technicians what to do. i guess i shouldnt stereotype all factory techs just because three dealers in pittsburgh suck. jam .

From : hattmakr

can i have it thatd give me one to hang up somewhares.. denny not certified in nothin but bs ******************************** certificate of achievement awarded to denny on this 6th day of february 2005 for successfully bullshitting your way through life wearing a floppy eared pink fuzzy suit you are hereby designated certified master bunny bullshit artist ******************************** feel free to print this out cut out the certificate and stick it anywhere you think appropriate. ill tell him where to stick it! ;^ mike let me guess somewhere near the heated seat position denny cmbba .

From : thenewguy

can i have it thatd give me one to hang up somewhares.. denny not certified in nothin but bs ******************************** certificate of achievement awarded to denny on this 6th day of february 2005 for successfully bullshitting your way through life wearing a floppy eared pink fuzzy suit you are hereby designated certified master bunny bullshit artist ******************************** feel free to print this out cut out the certificate and stick it anywhere you think appropriate. thanks much! denny cmbba .

From : mike simmons

on mon 07 feb 2005 000010 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote brent d wrote thenewguy wrote brent just curious. are you related to tbone ------------------------------------------------------ since i am not familier with tbone his personality and postings; i assume you will state the nature of your sarcastic post so i can respond to it. t-bone is a unique individual. he has a sound mechanical knowledge of dodge trucks. he is opinionated. he doesnt care who disagrees with him and will debate anything he feels strongly about. he is tenacious and will sacrifice tact to make a bold point without thinking twice about it. perhaps he isnt unique after all. are you guys related no but thanks for asking nosey. .

From : thenewguy

roy wrote also my friend you gotta be careful what you talk about on a public group. some of the ladies that frequent here may take the too much up front for a comfort statement to mean something else other than your belly that i know youre talking about..... gbmfg well nothing wrong with a little self promotion. i see pretty much the same thing with all this certification silver this and gold that other stuff in sigs maybe ill joinem.gbfg hell roy ive got one of them thar certificates that tells me im a master automotive technician somewhere that i got through a navy correspondence course a long time ago. i think it even covers some of that up front stuff also. you can have it if you want........... can i have it thatd give me one to hang up somewhares.. denny not certified in nothin but bs .

From : denny

colibri wrote jmc wrote jeff mayner wrote a couple of days ago someone was asking about alternatives. here is a couple that i have found to be pretty good. http//.cis.dfn.de/ http//www.individual.net/ fyi i use individual.net never had a problem with it. i had a terrible problem accessing .cis.dfn.de last year after they changed the server name to .individual.net or .individual.de http//.cis.dfn.de/serversplit-en.html yeah if i remember correctly there was some configuring issues. it works for me on the laptop pretty well. jeff .

From : denny

regular gas or does it require 93 doubtful i will go gas but id like to know cover the options. the 5.7s got a knock sensor so you can run 87 if you wanted to but its going to retard the timing a good amount. if youre considering a hemi you better make sure to take a nice long test drive in one. coming from a cummins you may be surprised at the lack of grunt. .

From : thenewguy

on sun 6 feb 2005 154638 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote while im at it how about the 03 04s any inherent problems what transmissions are used in those years nope - in fact they typically get better mileage than the 04.5s and above the 600 or now the 610 engines. for standard transmissions it was the nv5600 or the nv4500 used behind the standard output 235hp - blech engines. i think youre in one of those ca-emissions-type states right if so you probably wont see many 305hp the high output version engines around. theres nothing wrong with the so engines per se - its just that almost 100hp compared to the latest engine kinda hurts. im in ma. how do you tell them apart #s for 100hp ill do a roas trip and bring it back just look on the side of the engine left side at the sticker. if it says 305 hp its an ho. for my money the ho is the only way to go. my 01 was an so and it was a real disspointment for towing my fifth wheel. the ho is great. no complaints. in the automatic realm the sos came with the 47re up until the mid-year of 03 possibly not until 04. at that point the 48re was the only transmission available whether so or ho. i take it that the 48re is a bit more durable than the 47re. or would i be wrong much more durable. definately get a 48re. the 47re was pretty weak. the 48re is pretty strong. models were and are available with either an nv271 manually-shifted transfer case or the nv273 electronically-shifted case. theyre essentially the same case just that the 273 has an electric solenoid motor in place of the mechanical linkage of the 271. theres no longer a cad on the front axle - the axle is always engaged. theres some good and some bad to this - but ill tell you one thing... the instantaneous 4x4 engagement is nice... no more fumbling with the throttle to get the front axle to engage when youre stuck in a snow drift what year did the cad go away that is a good thing. .

From : roy

i brought my 03 dakota in for ball joints and walked out with a 04 1500 slt quad cab with the hemi! wow! all i can say is this is where i should have been to begin with. the thing really has some nads im going to be doing some towing of our recently acquired 3700lbs proline this summer so this truck will be a big improvement over straining the crap out of my v6 dakota. one problem however the dealer only put in 1/2 of a tank of gas. now i see why i just cant get it to take any fuel. i spent about 20 minutes fighting with the thing to fill the tank. it just keeps kicking off the pump. i thought maybe i just found a crappy pump so i tried another one at the same station and then another one at a different station. same deal. it takes about 2 seconds worth of gas and then kicks off. even at the slowest speed i could set the pump to. tried all the way in part way in hardly in at all pump handle at 9 oclock at 3 oclock and every other oclock still no go. anyone else have this problem seems pretty minor but i know 2 other 1500 owners that have never seen this problem. clogged air vent defective feeder tube looks to me like the vent comes right out of the fuel pump assembly. everything looks okay but i guess it could be blocked up with something. other than the gas thing i think we will really be enjoying this truck and so far the damn thing is getting about the same mileage as my dakota! go figure. apparently that v6 dak was so underpowered that the engine was working overtime just to move the truck. average of 13-15 on the dak and if the mpg display on the ram is correct after about 200 miles of a combination of around town and hyway the horse is getting about 14mpg. unreal. great deals out there now on leftover 04s if you can find em. 25k out the door maybe less if you find something with less options. this beast has the tow group power seats split rear seats 7 speakers bed liner steering wheelaudio controls front center seat storage and a sliding rear window. plus serious nads as i said before. only thing i would have liked but wasnt there was limited slip and something more than 245/70 tires. i can live without both i tires will be upgraded after about 30k miles. .

From : thenewguy

denny wrote roy wrote also my friend you gotta be careful what you talk about on a public group. some of the ladies that frequent here may take the too much up front for a comfort statement to mean something else other than your belly that i know youre talking about..... gbmfg well nothing wrong with a little self promotion. i see pretty much the same thing with all this certification silver this and gold that other stuff in sigs maybe ill joinem.gbfg hell roy ive got one of them thar certificates that tells me im a master automotive technician somewhere that i got through a navy correspondence course a long time ago. i think it even covers some of that up front stuff also. you can have it if you want........... can i have it thatd give me one to hang up somewhares.. denny not certified in nothin but bs sure thing ............ i think its still hanging out in that little tiny house with the quarter moon cut in the door that sits behind the main house. i check it out............... jerry .

From : thenewguy

yep either weld in the supports or make up a body buck with some 2x4s and clamps. i have done both. body spread is easy to stop either way. with a p/u it is easier since you have the rear cab wall you just need to stop the doors from opening and making the roof the correct height. which isnt real difficult either. make a box brace to set on the frame and bridge the roof on when you cut out the floor. slide the new floor in and position it then tack and final weld it using a nice stitching pattern. with door bars welded in and a bar across the cab for spacing it should drop real close. as for finding a rust free floor that is the challenge. but there are some out there. look toward texas / new mexico area. or you could make your own floor using the old one to pattern from. but that can be a lot of work. -- steve williams every time i see a body cut apart like that they weld cross supports into it to maintain the shape and prevent collapse or damaging distortion. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving ok. ill make the assumption that this ford rotted like most of them mainly the bottom. instead of patching it with individual panels how about finding a cab that is in better shape and cutting the bottom off and welding it to your cab about like clipping on another vehicle. not really hard to do as long as you measure carefully. then once it is welded together clean it up good and undercoat it good to stop it from happening again. -- steve williams ------------------------------------------------------- thanks steve. this is a viable option but creates one problem .. . finding a floor that is not rusted. if i did find a good donor cab i am not an expert body repair technician. i worry about the body spreading once the original floor is cut away. this can result in unnecessary pulling and stretching on panels to realign. would it be worth it to tack weld cross supports inside the cab to prevent this before cutting any advice is appreciated. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : nosey

on sun 6 feb 2005 173106 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 6 feb 2005 145922 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote i looked at the figures. gotta stay with the cummins. whew... i was worried for a minute weak moment maybe. while im at it how about the 03 04s any inherent problems what transmissions are used in those years the 48re is in my 03. i cant remember if the 48re was introduced to replace the 47re in late 02 or early 03. as i said before i read tdr a lot and am not aware of any issues related to 03 or 04 from there or from my own experience. some people worried about the new lift pumps but those have really only been a problem for the hard core bombers. i havent found anything to not like about mine. the only problem i have had was that i olost the guages for the tach and fuel but that turned out to be a faulty part on the back of the guage panel and was fixed within a day. there are tow recalls if you get an 03 or 04 make sure that it had the recalls done or get them done if not. one was to replace a piece of the tranny cooler line that was defective and the other was to put a washer on the ecm so it would not short or something to that effect. i had the 47re in the 2k. it morphed into a dtt. i have heard that dtt is the best of the tranny places. the owner bill k. has written a couple of articles about the 48re. he said it was a huge improvement over the 47re and he liked it alot. he felt that there is a flaw in the thrust washer however and he feels that dc needs to fix that. he saw it as real danger but there apparently havent been any reports of the thrust washer causing any problems on them and dc defended it as did some other techs. the whole thing got pretty heated like that never happens here huh that bill finally just stopped posting. i dont know if the argument still lives or not but the bottom line is that the thrust washer has not proven to be a problem. .

From : roy

re need some advice youre the gold certified mechanic so why are you asking us. a welder isnt in your repertoire of tools thats a claim made only when he puts the word master in front of the title. sometimes he forgets that................. jerry --------------------------------------------------- perhaps i can chose to just sign brent and bring myself down to the level of ignorancy you have displayed. got any information worth sharing or just flaming as an immature child brent master and dont forget it ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : roy

can i have it thatd give me one to hang up somewhares.. denny not certified in nothin but bs ******************************** certificate of achievement awarded to denny on this 6th day of february 2005 for successfully bullshitting your way through life wearing a floppy eared pink fuzzy suit you are hereby designated certified master bunny bullshit artist ******************************** feel free to print this out cut out the certificate and stick it anywhere you think appropriate. .

From : jerry

on sun 6 feb 2005 145922 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote i looked at the figures. gotta stay with the cummins. whew... i was worried for a minute weak moment maybe. while im at it how about the 03 04s any inherent problems what transmissions are used in those years the 48re is in my 03. i cant remember if the 48re was introduced to replace the 47re in late 02 or early 03. as i said before i read tdr a lot and am not aware of any issues related to 03 or 04 from there or from my own experience. some people worried about the new lift pumps but those have really only been a problem for the hard core bombers. i havent found anything to not like about mine. the only problem i have had was that i olost the guages for the tach and fuel but that turned out to be a faulty part on the back of the guage panel and was fixed within a day. there are tow recalls if you get an 03 or 04 make sure that it had the recalls done or get them done if not. one was to replace a piece of the tranny cooler line that was defective and the other was to put a washer on the ecm so it would not short or something to that effect. i had the 47re in the 2k. it morphed into a dtt. .

From : denny

no more fumbling with the throttle to get the front axle to engage when youre stuck in a snow drift stuck denny i was leaving it alone. .

From : jerry

no more fumbling with the throttle to get the front axle to engage when youre stuck in a snow drift stuck denny .

From : roy

beekeep wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 223554 -0700 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote what would be the best way to retore the cab without making it look patched together where panels will have to be fabricated so others can be welded back brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician youre the gold certified mechanic so why are you asking us. a welder isnt in your repertoire of tools thats a claim made only when he puts the word master in front of the title. sometimes he forgets that................. jerry .

From : tom lawrence

as for telling an independant no thank you; i wont do that. they are still a fellow technician and i never turn my back on them. i just hope they remember that a dealer helped them and asked for nothing in return. yes i charge customers for reprograms. it is considered into the module replacement. at the dealer it may only cost an extra .2 hours while you will pay the dealer to have it done at the minimum shop rate of .5 or 1.0. this will make your bill higher. brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician . 222 297305 regdndw-wyysh5vfrvn-tg@comcast.com while im at it how about the 03 04s any inherent problems what transmissions are used in those years nope - in fact they typically get better mileage than the 04.5s and above the 600 or now the 610 engines. for standard transmissions it was the nv5600 or the nv4500 used behind the standard output 235hp - blech engines. i think youre in one of those ca-emissions-type states right if so you probably wont see many 305hp the high output version engines around. theres nothing wrong with the so engines per se - its just that almost 100hp compared to the latest engine kinda hurts. im in ma. how do you tell them apart #s for 100hp ill do a roas trip and bring it back in the automatic realm the sos came with the 47re up until the mid-year of 03 possibly not until 04. at that point the 48re was the only transmission available whether so or ho. i take it that the 48re is a bit more durable than the 47re. or would i be wrong models were and are available with either an nv271 manually-shifted transfer case or the nv273 electronically-shifted case. theyre essentially the same case just that the 273 has an electric solenoid motor in place of the mechanical linkage of the 271. theres no longer a cad on the front axle - the axle is always engaged. theres some good and some bad to this - but ill tell you one thing... the instantaneous 4x4 engagement is nice... no more fumbling with the throttle to get the front axle to engage when youre stuck in a snow drift what year did the cad go away that is a good thing. .

From : roy

on sun 6 feb 2005 141416 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote i just bought a new 2005 3500 with the turbo 600. ill let ya know if something happens.. whats the mileage range of the failures -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- ----------------------------------------------------- mileage does not seem to matter. ive replaced injectors on trucks with only 1500 miles all the way to 80000 miles. if these injectors appear to be limited to this region i will be leaning torward possible poor fuel quality. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician looking at the tdr it would seem not to be region sensitive roy and not limited to dodge! look at the chevy and ford ngs. chevy seems to have the worst problems in fact. someone suggested that it may be due to the new injectors being built to handle the new emission requirements. i have no idea but it sounded good. .

From : nosey

beekeep wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 223554 -0700 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote what would be the best way to retore the cab without making it look patched together where panels will have to be fabricated so others can be welded backou brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician youre the gold certified mechanic so why are you asking us. a welder isnt in your repertoire of tools beekeep beekeep youre starting to sound like ole redneck i like your comeback yonzie .

From : tom lawrence

youre the gold certified mechanic so why are you asking us. a welder isnt in your repertoire of tools beekeep --------------------------------------------------- actually i have been a certified welder for quite some time and use it to provide side work for extra money. i primarily design and build balcony rails for people while i have been known to build winch bumpers. i dont recall ever saying that gold certifications include being an expert at body repair. this was your own arrogant assumption. i know when im beyond my expertise and most certainly am with this body work. my son and i are willing to tackle it though hoping to learn something new together. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : roy

bitch to the doctors the same way you do to a service manager. isnt your health worth more than what you paid for the vehicle isnt your health worth fixing right the first time compared to your truck after all doctors expect their highly complicated vehicles diagnosed and repaired correctly the first time. why shouldnt we expect the same from them with our health; dont we pay more in medical than vehicles i dont pay for any medical treatments and i still expect my doctor to be a hell of a lot better than the mechanic at my local dodge garage. you think people dont bitch when doctors screw up i guess you have never heard of malpractice. the evolution of man changes so slightly over 1000 yrs the automobile changes every 1 to 2 yrs. you think people dont bitch when doctors screw up i guess you have never heard of malpractice. they can run test after test and the cust/insurance pays for it they call there check out fee a consultation visit in which we pay..... we call it check out time in which the customer bitches about..if the doctor makes a wrong diagnosis they simply prescribe a new test after test after test until they get it right or ship you off to a specialist and then it starts over.....hmm go figure. glenn beasley chrysler tech .

From : roy

on sat 5 feb 2005 223554 -0700 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote what would be the best way to retore the cab without making it look patched together where panels will have to be fabricated so others can be welded back brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician youre the gold certified mechanic so why are you asking us. a welder isnt in your repertoire of tools beekeep .

From : mike simmons

while leaving the customer/service relations arguement aside i would like to approach a subject of a lighter manner. i would like some advice on resolving an issue with my sons truck. when one of my sons turned ten i purchased him a 65 ford f100 camper special 4x2. this was to be our father/son project. the truck belonged to benny grey unsure if i spelled his name right. the story is unknown by many but was popular enough to have a song made about it the bones of benny grey. he simply was a man that disappeared in the gunnison colorado area and all that was found is this truck. it was suggested that he fell victim to a band of indians rumored to still be in the area. since we live within several hours of the gunnison area and attend it frequently for camping and fishing my son is proud to own a piece of local history. my problem is as follows we want to do a frame up restoration. while the powertrain performs as well as a new truck 352 with a 4spd and only requires few repairs with cleaning. the body is. . . . well. .. . mostly there. the rest disappeared with benny. cancer has taken its toll on the sheet metal. cab replacement is the easiest option but my son does not want that. it simply would no longer be the truck benny sat in. many replacement panels and weld in pieces are available but in some places there is nothing to weld to - its gone. my second option is to turn it over to a body shop. this however negates the father/son experience. what would be the best way to retore the cab without making it look patched together where panels will have to be fabricated so others can be welded back brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician ok. ill make the assumption that this ford rotted like most of them mainly the bottom. instead of patching it with individual panels how about finding a cab that is in better shape and cutting the bottom off and welding it to your cab about like clipping on another vehicle. not really hard to do as long as you measure carefully. then once it is welded together clean it up good and undercoat it good to stop it from happening again. -- steve williams ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-uncensored-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : denny

mike simmons wrote brent d wrote in a simple nutshell i will try to explain the antics of a dealership service department. i can not explain poor dealerships with questionable techncians this is for you to determine. i simply hope my explanation helps you understand why a dealer does what it does. a dealer is monitored by the manufacturer as to how many repairs it does. if a dealer does one particular repair more than other dealers of the same size and zone then a restriction is placed on them for that repair. this is not right but it happens. this can result in a service manager instructing their technicians not to recognize that particular problem to eliminate the restrictions. i would hope that any dealer would ignore these restrictions if the repairs pertained to safety. as many have suggested a dealer will not recognize a problem with the vehicle until it is out of warranty. now you know why. your problem is with chrysler not the dealer. the problem is with both. as for an independant repair shop charging less; bullcrap. as a customer you simply picked up the phone and found a shop that charges less per hour. what sense does it make if an independant charges less per hour but charges you more hours because they are not familiar with the vehicle what a load of crap. the independent went to the same trade school you did. au contraire moses! while the tech may have attended the same trade school it is the ongoing training that is the difference. a dealership tech attends many more hours of vehicle specific classes than an independent tech does. mike you may be right there but it doesnt seem to help them with repairs. jam .

From : roy

i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy more questions. with the hemi what trans comes with it any problems w/it can you use regular gas or does it require 93 doubtful i will go gas but id like to know cover the options. iirc the 48re is also with the gas motors and has been trouble free. the 5.7 runs on the 87 octane fuel. furry face thought of another reason why it has to be srw. duallys use a 9 blade too much up front for a comfort margin. go to plowsite.com and youll read that using the 9 footers or the blizzard blades that extend from 8ft to 10 ft are becoming the new rage. you just have to give up the notions that come with old age and get with the new programs.. vbg also my friend you gotta be careful what you talk about on a public group. some of the ladies that frequent here may take the too much up front for a comfort statement to mean something else other than your belly that i know youre talking about..... gbmfg ff roy .

From : roy

could be temperature related as 3 and 4 are most likely to run a bit warmer. steve while leaving the customer/service relations arguement aside i would like to approach a subject of a lighter manner. i would like some advice on resolving an issue with my sons truck. when one of my sons turned ten i purchased him a 65 ford f100 camper special 4x2. this was to be our father/son project. the truck belonged to benny grey unsure if i spelled his name right. the story is unknown by many but was popular enough to have a song made about it the bones of benny grey. he simply was a man that disappeared in the gunnison colorado area and all that was found is this truck. it was suggested that he fell victim to a band of indians rumored to still be in the area. since we live within several hours of the gunnison area and attend it frequently for camping and fishing my son is proud to own a piece of local history. my problem is as follows we want to do a frame up restoration. while the powertrain performs as well as a new truck 352 with a 4spd and only requires few repairs with cleaning. the body is. . . . well. . . mostly there. the rest disappeared with benny. cancer has taken its toll on the sheet metal. cab replacement is the easiest option but my son does not want that. it simply would no longer be the truck benny sat in. many replacement panels and weld in pieces are available but in some places there is nothing to weld to - its gone. my second option is to turn it over to a body shop. this however negates the father/son experience. what would be the best way to retore the cab without making it look patched together where panels will have to be fabricated so others can be welded back brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : moses horwitz moses

yeah isnt the ashtray that thing to the left of the console that tilts out so we can fill it with tokens and spare change hp wrote my 04 1500 quad hemi didnt come with an ashtray light or a light under the hood. are there any factory add ons i could get to accomplish this. the glove box has a light however. hopefully the wires for such are already in place. thanks howard you got an ash tray did you have to pay extra for it jam .

From : thenewguy

on sat 5 feb 2005 182758 -0700 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote sniped the greasemonkey to doctor comparason. we already have one grease monkey that posts here and thinks hes a doctor. two seems to be a bit much. from what i have seen you post in here lately justs makes me more convinced that i should avoid a dealer service department if they hire the likes of you. i wouldnt want your pompous ass touching anything i own especially with a metal tool. i do my own wrenching. it doesnt take a brain surgeon to read a maintenance manual. after all they all have pictures. beekeep .

From : Annonymous

from drgn1400@webtv.net brent d date 2/5/2005 727 pm central standard time i have a great respect for doctors. my wife is the lead receptionest in a doctors office that provides free medical care and treatment for the employees and their families. who could ask for more. this is very generous of them; however why do we feel compelled to pay doctors twice for the same fix while we whine when a technician doesnt succeed the first time isnt your health more important than your vehicle if i were to pay $50k in medical bills and cancer treatments i would expect a clean bill of health when finished - yet it doesnt happen. so why do we pay for the next treatment without question while we refuse to pay for repeat repairs on our vehicles. doctors pay big dollars to learn only two models; male and female these models have not changed much in the last 100k years. a technician has to learn multiple models every year while spending as much if not more in their own tools. a doctor may have the hassle of new medications to learn every year but the research behind the medications was not their responsibility. they only have to apply the medication correctly. a technician is responsible for learning new models purchasing new tools and maintaining customer satisfaction. if i see a doctor and am given medication to resolve an issue i should not have to pay again if the=a0medication did not resolve the issue. same as a vehicle if you have payed once for the repair and it failed you should not have to pay again. a dealership might attempt to charge for a duplicate repair this is unlike a doctor=a0who will charge for a repeat visit. bitch to the doctors the same way you do to a service manager. isnt your health worth more than what you paid for the vehicle isnt your health=a0worth fixing right the first time compared to your truck after all doctors expect their highly complicated vehicles diagnosed and repaired correctly the first time. why shouldnt we expect the same from them with our health; dont we pay more in medical than vehicles brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician the premise of your post is badly flawed no its worse than that its a non sequitur. what exactly are you trying to accomplish here robert .

From : theguy

residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. starting in 03 dodge now offers a 3500 srw option - which gives you greater payload over the 2500 about 1000 lbs which translates into more pin weight for the 5th wheel. if you were looking at a camper id definately suggest a dually. but with a 5th wheel all the weight is centered over the axle so the only benefit becomes less load on the tires since the weight would be spread across all four. as for the transmissions the 48res been holding up very well. the nv5600 is as of the 05.5 model year no more - replaced with a mb g56 transmission. while this transmission supposedly saw lots of duty in trucks overseas its still something new - could be great could be crap... time will tell. you looking at buying new or slightly used either one. .

From : theguy

on sat 5 feb 2005 200834 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote no actually i found the same john. but that was then. as you say those were the good old days ah yes but history repeats. its only time royboy. if you say so. guess youll have to be more careful. ok ill work on that. .

From : denny

tbone wrote did you get the cobra out of paint yet yes got it two weeks ago. truly an awesome paint job. its ford laser red metallic. one base two intermediate and four clear coats. on top of the base coat is a real impressive set of multicolored diamond pearl ghost flames. im really impressed. i have some final assembly and legal paperwork to do and then shes ready. maybe another 2 months vin assignment will take that long at least. the car will be ready before that. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : theguy

on sat 5 feb 2005 193001 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy some thoughts ive pondered on......... i really wouldnt want to drive a drw truck unless it was out on the highway most of the time. keeping an eye on those protruding fenders would be a pita. plus the longer the wheelbase the less maneuverable the truck is.....the longer wheelbase tows more stable than the short wheelbase...... dual rear wheels just dont go thru deep snow like the singles. the outside tire has to cut its own path... agreed ro all of it. the truck i used through the blizzard was a dually and a pia. the new automatics have been holding up well and has no where near the problems of the old ones.the tow/haul feature modifies the shift pattern instead of just locking out the overdrive like it used to. id have no problem with one of them in the driveway....... id only get the cummins if i was going to tow a bunch with it. in this neck of the woods diesel is running about 25-30 cents more than gas so there is not really any savings based on the mpg. i only drive about four miles to work so the diesel wouldnt even be warm till i had to shut it off. the new injection is noticeably more responsive when driving than the older pump driven injection and not near the noise. at idle it is hard to tell its not a gasser....... the 5.7 has been holding up well. i havent seen one over 50k yet but there have been very few problems. the only thing i dont like on the 5.7 is the annoying click-click-click from the valve train at idle. chrysler says this is a characteristic on the motor and to not spend time chasing it down. the 5.7 seems to have enough power to do anything id want it to do. ive been watching the price it is about the same as 93 here. i guess id look at a 3500 srw 4x4 club cab and short bed with auto trans and 5.7. if i wanted all my friends to make fun of me id add heated leather seats to the list but i wouldnt admit it to anybody on this group.... youd admit it. people just seem to have a need to confess. g roy the furry one yeah.... get the heated leather seats! i think id try to figger out what size fiver i want and let that be the criteria for the truck. power wise the 2500 and 3500 are the same. unless you get a big fiver id stay with the 3.73 axle ratio. if your fiver was along the lines of 30 or less id go 2500 and over 30 id go 3500 srw. the 3500 is considerably jouncier than the 2500 unladen which sounds like it would be most of the time. pin weight is whats gonna be the most important and take any manufacturers pin weight with a grain of salt. the figures they publish are empty with no propane batteries or fluids in the tanks. mike good info. i have found however that the 3500 rides better at least to me. there was a poll on tdr about this very thing about a year back and the 3500 was voted a better ride than the 2500 by a pretty wide margin. my brother has the 2500. i like the ride on mine better but it is probably just personal preference. as to the leather i didnt get leather in mine. that was a mistake. i wish i had just for the comfort and the easier clean up. i would also go for the heated seats if i was to do it again. never had them but it gets cold in the winter. i can imagine that they would be very nice. i got the storage system under the rear seat. i like thata bunch. i added fog lights. they are worth it. i also got the six disc cd with the 6 speakers and that is a nice option too. it is just a very nice truck. had two friends at work with ford diesels the new 6.0 borrow my truck for a night and both now have dodge diesels. oh i also have the cab lights that come with the 3500. i think they look good but that seems to be a love em or hate em thing. .

From : mike simmons

on sat 5 feb 2005 201015 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 05 feb 2005 235804 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. starting in 03 dodge now offers a 3500 srw option - which gives you greater payload over the 2500 about 1000 lbs which translates into more pin weight for the 5th wheel. if you were looking at a camper id definately suggest a dually. but with a 5th wheel all the weight is centered over the axle so the only benefit becomes less load on the tires since the weight would be spread across all four. as for the transmissions the 48res been holding up very well. the nv5600 is as of the 05.5 model year no more - replaced with a mb g56 transmission. while this transmission supposedly saw lots of duty in trucks overseas its still something new - could be great could be crap... time will tell. you looking at buying new or slightly used i have the 03 srw 3500 ho with the 48re. i tow a fifth wheel with a dry weight of about 8200 pounds and it pulls it great. i had an 01 with the so engine and the 47re and that struggled some pulling the same fifth wheel. this 03 is night and day above the 01. the tranny seems very solid.i got the 3.73 axle ratio which seems well suited for me. i suppose if you were towing heavier you could go to the 4.11 but that would be overkill for me. i read on a tranny site somewhere that the incident of repair rates for the 03 and into the first part of 04 model year for diesels had the ford auto first but the dodge auto was right behind it with a statistically insignificant difference. the chevy auto allison was almost double the incident of repair of the dodge. anyway i love my 03. doubt ill ever need to buy another truck. i only have 14000 miles on it. 4x4 yeah i have the 4x4 long box. again i really like this truck. i find the ride great. on a trip when im not towing that is mostly highway i get about 22 mpg. around town short trips i get 15-16 mpg. i tow with overdrive off so towing i get 11 to 13 mpg. i read tdr a lot and there seems to be some issues with the newer 600s that began in the 04.5 model when a catalytic converter had to be added to meet the stronger diesel emission standards. nothing serious just a little more trouble than the 03 to 04s. the injectors are more prone to going bad which can cause some serious problems if it goes unnoticed. the mileage is a couple mpg less. i am sure that they made some improvements to them too however over the 03s. .

From : roy

i have a great respect for doctors. my wife is the lead receptionest in a doctors office that provides free medical care and treatment for the employees and their families. who could ask for more. this is very generous of them; however why do we feel compelled to pay doctors twice for the same fix while we whine when a technician doesnt succeed the first time isnt your health more important than your vehicle if i were to pay $50k in medical bills and cancer treatments i would expect a clean bill of health when finished - yet it doesnt happen. so why do we pay for the next treatment without question while we refuse to pay for repeat repairs on our vehicles. doctors pay big dollars to learn only two models; male and female these models have not changed much in the last 100k years. a technician has to learn multiple models every year while spending as much if not more in their own tools. a doctor may have the hassle of new medications to learn every year but the research behind the medications was not their responsibility. they only have to apply the medication correctly. a technician is responsible for learning new models purchasing new tools and maintaining customer satisfaction. if i see a doctor and am given medication to resolve an issue i should not have to pay again if the=a0medication did not resolve the issue. same as a vehicle if you have payed once for the repair and it failed you should not have to pay again. a dealership might attempt to charge for a duplicate repair this is unlike a doctor=a0who will charge for a repeat visit. bitch to the doctors the same way you do to a service manager. isnt your health worth more than what you paid for the vehicle isnt your health=a0worth fixing right the first time compared to your truck after all doctors expect their highly complicated vehicles diagnosed and repaired correctly the first time. why shouldnt we expect the same from them with our health; dont we pay more in medical than vehicles brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : roy

on sat 05 feb 2005 235804 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. starting in 03 dodge now offers a 3500 srw option - which gives you greater payload over the 2500 about 1000 lbs which translates into more pin weight for the 5th wheel. if you were looking at a camper id definately suggest a dually. but with a 5th wheel all the weight is centered over the axle so the only benefit becomes less load on the tires since the weight would be spread across all four. as for the transmissions the 48res been holding up very well. the nv5600 is as of the 05.5 model year no more - replaced with a mb g56 transmission. while this transmission supposedly saw lots of duty in trucks overseas its still something new - could be great could be crap... time will tell. you looking at buying new or slightly used i have the 03 srw 3500 ho with the 48re. i tow a fifth wheel with a dry weight of about 8200 pounds and it pulls it great. i had an 01 with the so engine and the 47re and that struggled some pulling the same fifth wheel. this 03 is night and day above the 01. the tranny seems very solid.i got the 3.73 axle ratio which seems well suited for me. i suppose if you were towing heavier you could go to the 4.11 but that would be overkill for me. i read on a tranny site somewhere that the incident of repair rates for the 03 and into the first part of 04 model year for diesels had the ford auto first but the dodge auto was right behind it with a statistically insignificant difference. the chevy auto allison was almost double the incident of repair of the dodge. anyway i love my 03. doubt ill ever need to buy another truck. i only have 14000 miles on it. 4x4 .

From : roy

i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy some thoughts ive pondered on......... i really wouldnt want to drive a drw truck unless it was out on the highway most of the time. keeping an eye on those protruding fenders would be a pita. plus the longer the wheelbase the less maneuverable the truck is.....the longer wheelbase tows more stable than the short wheelbase...... dual rear wheels just dont go thru deep snow like the singles. the outside tire has to cut its own path... agreed ro all of it. the truck i used through the blizzard was a dually and a pia. the new automatics have been holding up well and has no where near the problems of the old ones.the tow/haul feature modifies the shift pattern instead of just locking out the overdrive like it used to. id have no problem with one of them in the driveway....... id only get the cummins if i was going to tow a bunch with it. in this neck of the woods diesel is running about 25-30 cents more than gas so there is not really any savings based on the mpg. i only drive about four miles to work so the diesel wouldnt even be warm till i had to shut it off. the new injection is noticeably more responsive when driving than the older pump driven injection and not near the noise. at idle it is hard to tell its not a gasser....... the 5.7 has been holding up well. i havent seen one over 50k yet but there have been very few problems. the only thing i dont like on the 5.7 is the annoying click-click-click from the valve train at idle. chrysler says this is a characteristic on the motor and to not spend time chasing it down. the 5.7 seems to have enough power to do anything id want it to do. ive been watching the price it is about the same as 93 here. i guess id look at a 3500 srw 4x4 club cab and short bed with auto trans and 5.7. if i wanted all my friends to make fun of me id add heated leather seats to the list but i wouldnt admit it to anybody on this group.... youd admit it. people just seem to have a need to confess. g roy the furry one .

From : tom lawrence

i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy some thoughts ive pondered on......... i really wouldnt want to drive a drw truck unless it was out on the highway most of the time. keeping an eye on those protruding fenders would be a pita. plus the longer the wheelbase the less maneuverable the truck is.....the longer wheelbase tows more stable than the short wheelbase...... dual rear wheels just dont go thru deep snow like the singles. the outside tire has to cut its own path... the new automatics have been holding up well and has no where near the problems of the old ones.the tow/haul feature modifies the shift pattern instead of just locking out the overdrive like it used to. id have no problem with one of them in the driveway....... id only get the cummins if i was going to tow a bunch with it. in this neck of the woods diesel is running about 25-30 cents more than gas so there is not really any savings based on the mpg. i only drive about four miles to work so the diesel wouldnt even be warm till i had to shut it off. the new injection is noticeably more responsive when driving than the older pump driven injection and not near the noise. at idle it is hard to tell its not a gasser....... the 5.7 has been holding up well. i havent seen one over 50k yet but there have been very few problems. the only thing i dont like on the 5.7 is the annoying click-click-click from the valve train at idle. chrysler says this is a characteristic on the motor and to not spend time chasing it down. the 5.7 seems to have enough power to do anything id want it to do. i guess id look at a 3500 srw 4x4 club cab and short bed with auto trans and 5.7. if i wanted all my friends to make fun of me id add heated leather seats to the list but i wouldnt admit it to anybody on this group.... the furry one .

From : Annonymous

on sat 5 feb 2005 172808 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote roy wrote john@john.com was one of my old original akas here. man that was a long time ago. it was fun though. the memories.......its the little things that make life fun. really you are john i doubt it. but just for the hell of it lets find out. do you recall what took you over the edge other than the booze. what was the subject matter i think so roy ................ if you recall he told you last year but you said no then. jerry he probably did although i dont recall it. im not totally convinced now. but it matters not. roy nope not at all. .

From : roy

on sat 5 feb 2005 172534 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 152607 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 113615 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 070845 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i have a name that i and the rest of you forgot about. the man of friday night melt down fame. my all time best friend john!! when all was said and down he was by far the best. these other alleged wordsmiths and semi trolls that hang out here couldnt carry his jock imho. roy roy i hate to tell you this and........believe it or not...............john is still here. really as who roy we had this discussion once before. sorry i dont remember the discussion. john@john.com was one of my old original akas here. man that was a long time ago. it was fun though. the memories.......its the little things that make life fun. really you are john i doubt it. but just for the hell of it lets find out. do you recall what took you over the edge other than the booze. what was the subject matter you found a john on a alternative life style board or said you did anyway and brought it here. my one big disappointment was and still is that the whole subtlety of my response was lost on you and that took some of the fun out of it. i threatened to sue you you know go to my lawyer. i was playing the part you wanted me to play and thought id done it pretty well but it seemed lost on you. anyway it was a hoot and great for passing the time back then. now im the new john you know the new 90s kinda guy although its now the 00s kinda guy but that just doesnt have a ring to it otherwise known as theguy. i think ive had a few other monickers here i changed each time i built a new faster more supercharged computer except for this last time--built a new one last week but i just sorta like theguy. im the same one that argued the a coon stole my tools with the sandman nate. oh and there was the big argument over the miranda issue with private security with nate i mean sandman. yeah there were others too. i dont remember which monicker i was using but i jumped in to take sides with the fellow that was a cop and got into a big beef with you guys. i think that one was over speeding or something and he was a plain cloths cop in the south or back east or something. but anyhow thats what we can do now you know sort of wax philosophical through the past arguments. the good old days. the old ones pale though compared to some of the new ones that i have actually sayed out of. there have been some really looooong ones lately since tbone got here. and i can asure you tbone is not one of my old or present or at anytime akas. no actually i found the same john. but that was then. as you say those were the good old days ah yes but history repeats. its only time royboy. .

From : denny

on sun 6 feb 2005 134325 -0700 drgn1400@webtv.net brent d wrote there is plenty of training available to the independent shops that is equal to or better than the stuff provided by the oems. the sublet -might- increase the bill but it still wouldnt necessarily be higher than what the bill might have been had the customer gone to the dealership service department instead of the independent. are you claiming that you dont flag any extra time for re-flashing a tcm or pcm if the job does come into -your- dealership then there would be more good independents also no ----------------------------------------------------- how do you judge that your training is better this would be a hard claim to substantiate. remember that aftermarket training on a vehicle is released long after the dealership technicians have fought long and hard to discover manufacturing flaws that are simply given to the independants. people assume that dealer techs have the advantage of tsbs to repair vehicles how false. remember the information provided in the tsbs that you use were discovered primarily by technicians who discovered the issues and provided information to chrysler. this is a claim an independant can not make. this simply means a dealer tech works his ass off for a loss in pay so and independant can receive his information for next to nothing in the form of a tsb. you should be thanking the dealers. as for telling an independant no thank you; i wont do that. they are still a fellow technician and i never turn my back on them. i just hope they remember that a dealer helped them and asked for nothing in return. yes i charge customers for reprograms. it is considered into the module replacement. at the dealer it may only cost an extra .2 hours while you will pay the dealer to have it done at the minimum shop rate of .5 or 1.0. this will make your bill higher. brent ase and gold certified chrysler technician brent just curious. are you related to tbone that was good!!gbmfg .