Kerry quoting the Bible

From : dudlee brennfoerder

Q: theres not a specific one for certain vehicles kevin is there a specific power steering fluid for a 98 dodge dakota pretty much any ps fluid is fine. .

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From : steve carolinabreezehvac

on sun 17 oct 2004 202123 -0400 clyde dodgemanfromhell@aol.com wrote i make no claim to being a jeep expert but from the danger aspect i believe that you guys are all worrying about the wrong end of the vehicle. a problem i had with jeeps that i have owned was that people were continuously pulling out in front of me at night. and i finally figured out why. the damned headlights are closer together than most other vehicles. at night that makes a jeep appear to be a lot farther down the road than it really is compared to cars with normal headlamp spacing. the other drivers pulled out thinking they had plenty of room. thats not exactly a valid assumption clyde. ive got a ram 3500 with drls and the damn thing is still invisible and people still pull out in front of me. maybe its because they dont want to be behind that old slow big truck greg .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. why dont you thank the roman catholic church for that...and while you are at it thank them for putting christmas at the end of the year.....do you know why its the last major religious holiday of a calender year jam im only guessing but was it to coincide with a jewish or pagan holiday like easter actually no... it was about money. to insure that the church had a good start with coffers full on the start of the new year. jam .

From : j a m

tbone wrote of course you do miles. anything that ever remotely disagrees with your short sighted ultra right wing ideas is nothing but liberal bunk but the most known biased channel in history even by their own admission is the only one that tells the truth lol. hmm you cant debate the points i made regarding this tx paper!! instead you just state your usual rhetoric. .

From : budd cochran

still putting together a list for my dream truck. i prefer the manual 4wd. however there are options that i want in the laramie that force me to pick the h package dual zone temperature control which also contains electronic 4wd. is electronic 4wd still considered a maintence nightmare like it use to be parts moving all of the time or has it been perfected to the point that there is viturally no difference between electronic and manual thanks craig c. .

From : eac

i rest my case name calling baby. btw another point for me. oh we are keeping a score card now t-bone and we do know of course how the leftist liberal dumocrats keep score now dont we you run the score card and then claim that dan rather audited its accuracy. then you claim it is a fair score. lol john z kerry .

From : budd cochran

im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd .

From : budd cochran

iow a protest vote you do know that those are a waste of time right as they say a vote not for kerry is a vote for bush so even if you right yourself in you still voted for bush just like everyone expected. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lol dont bet on it tommy-troll-boy. anyone can vote for anyone they choose in the us. i may write myself and my wife in for president and vp. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. please it is more than obvious what candidate you are going to vote for. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. on sun 17 oct 2004 142331 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy you make a good point - but it does bother me that i am thinking of voting for the same person as budd. beekeep .

From : john z kerry

i think the first attack on either family was on kerry and his wife claiming that they were connected to the heinz company and were sending jobs overseas. jam how convenient of you not to supply a time date or under what circumstances this alleged first attack occurred. im sure though that this little insignificant detail just slipped your mind. lol john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses so we should elect our presidents base on their support of a single industry jam we should elect a candidate with a global test and plans known only to him. john z kerry .

From : john z kerry

yep pretty much following your lead miles. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote of course you do miles. anything that ever remotely disagrees with your short sighted ultra right wing ideas is nothing but liberal bunk but the most known biased channel in history even by their own admission is the only one that tells the truth lol. hmm you cant debate the points i made regarding this tx paper!! instead you just state your usual rhetoric. .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote you got that right. ever hear of a book written about the dumocrat party by a democrat u.s. senator by the name of zell miller i know you liberals are in denial when it comes to his book so heres the title to refresh your memory a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. big deal a conservative democrat; heres a conservative supporting kerry rotflmao! boy you had to dig deep to find that and the guy is a career bureaucrat an employee held over from a democrat administration! conservative in name only to make himself appear as something he is not. errrrrr last time i checked zell miller is an elected official a u.s. senator as well as a life long democrat. he refuses to change parties even now. from what i know zell miller is second in popularity in his home state of georgia only to bush. did you catch millers speech at the republican convention the line about spitballs will go down in political history!!!!!! get em zell! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses yep full of meaningless wise cracks. jam same as kerrys global test and his plans. john z kerry .

From : miles

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From : miles

keep reading youll find the information you seek. and stop putting word in my mouth. jam profound! you and t-bone should definitely put an act together and do a duet stand up comedy act. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

tom wrote do you see a pattern here republicans * dick cheney did not serve. several deferments the last by marriage. * dennis hastert did not serve. * tom delay did not serve. * roy blunt did not serve. * bill frist did not serve. * mitch mcconnell did not serve. * rick santorum did not serve. * trent lott did not serve. * john ashcroft did not serve. seven deferments to teach business. * jeb bush did not serve. * karl rove did not serve. * saxby chambliss did not serve. bad knee. the man who attacked max clelands patriotism. * paul wolfowitz did not serve. * vin weber did not serve. * richard perle did not serve. * douglas feith did not serve. * eliot abrams did not serve. * richard shelby did not serve. * jon! kyl did not serve. * tim hutchison did not serve. * christopher cox did not serve. * newt gingrich did not serve. * don rumsfeld served in navy 1954-57 as flight instructor. * ronald reagan due to poor eyesight served in a non-combat role making movies. * b-1 bob dornan consciously enlisted after fighting was over in korea. * phil gramm did not serve. * john mccain silver star bronze star legion of merit purple heart and distinguished flying cross. * dana rohrabacher did not serve. * john m. mchugh did not serve. * jc watts did not serve. * jack kemp did not serve. knee problem although continued in nfl for 8 years. * dan quayle journalism unit of the indiana national guard. * rudy giuliani did not serve. * george pataki did not serve. * spencer abraham did not serve. * john engler did not serve. * lindsey graham national guard lawyer. * arnold schwarzenegger awol from austrian army base. * george w. bush failed to complete his six-year national guard; assigned to alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for u.s. senate; failed to show up for required medical exam disappeared from duty. pundits & preachers * sean hannity did not serve. * rush limbaugh did not serve 4-f with a pilonidal cyst. * bill oreilly did not serve. * michael savage did not serve. * george will did not serve. * chris matthews did not serve. * paul gigot did not serve. * bill bennett did not serve. * pat buchanan did not serve. * john wayne did not serve. * bill kristol did not serve. * kenneth starr did not serve. * antonin scalia did not serve. * clarence thomas did not serve. * ralph reed did not serve. * michael medved did not serve. * charlie daniels did not serve. * ted nugent did not serve. he only shoots at things that dont shoot back. democrats * richard gephardt air national guard 1965-71. * david bonior staff sgt. air force 1968-72. * tom daschle 1st lt. air force sac 1969-72. * al gore enlisted aug. 1969; sent to vietnam jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th engineer brigade. * bob kerrey lt. j.g. navy 1966-69; medal of honor vietnam. * daniel inouye army 1943-47; medal of honor wwii. * john kerry lt. navy 1966-70; silver star bronze star with combat v purple hearts. * charles rangel staff sgt. army 1948-52; bronze star korea. * max cleland captain army 1965-68; silver star & bronze star vietnam. * ted kennedy army 1951-53. * tom harkin lt. navy 1962-67; naval reserve 1968-74. * jack reed army ranger 1971-1979; captain army reserve 1979-91. * fritz hollings army officer in wwii; bronze star and seven campaign ribbons. * leonard boswell lt. col. army 1956-76; vietnam dfcs bronze stars and soldiers medal. * pete peterson air force captain pow. purple heart silver star and legion of merit. * mike thompson staff sergeant 173rd airborne purple heart. * bill mcbride candidate for fla. governor. marine in vietnam; bronze star with combat v. * gray davis army captain in vietnam bronze star. * pete stark air force 1955-57 * chuck robb vietnam * howell heflin silver star * george mcgovern silver star & dfc during wwii. * bill clinton did not serve. student deferments. entered draft but received #311. * jimmy carter seven years in the navy. * walter mondale army 1951-1953 * john glenn wwii and korea; six dfcs and air medal with 18 clusters. * tom lantos served in hungarian underground in wwii. saved by raoul wallenberg. i dont think service in the military should be a requirement for public office. however i learned some of lifes best lessons in the service. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam i am not going to quibble further with you over positions in the political spectrum. you can and will believe what you want. save for this. pat buchanan is the true extreme right and i dont agree with much if not most of what he professes. otoh todays democrat party has moved so far to the left that anyone to the right of them they call an extremist. i mean hey who can you name who is further to the left than todays democrat party komrad kerry is even further to the left than ted kennedy. otoh todays republican party includes people like arnold schwartznegger john mccain and rudy guilliannesp. who is your equivalent of them in the democratic party today none! your whole party sits so far on the extreme left of the political spectrum that people like zell miller and other moderate democrats like him are disgusted. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think that the socialist workers and the communist party are somewhat left of the democrats. the only thing further right than the so called conservative republicans may be the nazi party. im actually registered as an independent. i consider the two party system to be an abomination. jam .

From : jerry

on sat 16 oct 2004 224209 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on sat 16 oct 2004 202913 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam i dont. jam you are mistaking being able to read and comprehend with being able to understand. i can read what you say but to understand it would take a mind of your own level and i graduated junior high a long time ago so i am just a long way ahead of you. that i am confident is a problem that you face quite often so you should be aware of this whole arena. if i am wrong and you are actually an adult i apologize. not to you but to the world. you would then be an example of america having an educational system in a very sorry state. i cant understand how someone can support a president that has led us into an immoral unjustified war and has caused the needles death of more than 1000 of our soldiers and over 13000 innocent iraqis. because immoral is not a definitive word. it calls for a subjective definition. becaues unjustified war see above because needless im helping you out here jam death see above the quality of a subjective definition is very dependand on the subject. the better intelligence of the subject the better the definition. consequently i place the appropriate emphasis on your definitions and place them in the appropriate place. the trash can.nuff said jam. by the way your last statement would be a good example of liberal bs that you were asking about earlier. you take a statement place your own opinion present it as fact and then whine that everyone else is stupid if they can not see the truth as you do. you simply suck. quite badly in fact. is this what george calls supporting our troops the new york times inquiry opens after reservists balk in baghdad by neela banerjee and ariel hart published october 16 2004 he army is investigating members of a reserve unit in iraq who refused to deliver a fuel shipment north of baghdad under conditions they considered unsafe the pentagon and relatives of the soldiers said friday. several soldiers called it a suicide mission relatives said. some 18 members of the 343rd quartermaster company based in rock hill s.c. were detained at gunpoint for nearly two days after disobeying orders to drive trucks that they said had not been serviced and were not being escorted by armed vehicles to taji about 15 miles north of baghdad relatives said after speaking to some of the soldiers. jackie butler of jackson miss. the wife of staff sgt. michael butler 44 said she was awakened about 530 or 6 a.m. thursday by a call from an officer from iraq. he told her that my husband was being detained for disobeying a direct order ms. butler said and he went on to tell me that it was a bogus charge that they got against him and some of those soldiers over there because what they was doing was sending them into a suicide mission and they refused to go. a senior army officer said that 19 soldiers from the unit had been assembled wednesday morning to deliver fuel but that some had refused to go. he denied they had been held under guard. the officer said the soldiers raised some valid concerns. unfortunately it appears that a small number of the soldiers involved chose to express their concerns in an inappropriate manner said the officer who discussed the preliminary findings only on the condition of anonymity. insubordination in wartime is a grave offense and an inquiry is under way the officer said to determine if the uniform code of military justice was violated and whether disciplinary measures were warranted. it is unclear if this is the first time a group of soldiers in iraq has refused to carry out orders and the military is playing down the incident as an isolated event. but the small rebellion suggests that problems linger with outfitting soldiers with adequate equipment in an increasingly dangerous country. i know soldiers are deeply concerned and have been deeply concerned about the equipment shortages said paul rieckhoff who was an army lieutenant in iraq for almost a year until february this year and is now executive director of operation truth a new york advocacy group working to draw attention to the needs of soldiers in iraq and returning veterans. when you dont have proper equipment you feel vulnerable mr. rieckhoff said. we havent evolved quickly enough to meet the enemy threat which is rocket-propelled grenades and roadside bombs. on average american soldiers were attacked 87 times a day in august the latest figures available a sharp increase from a year earlier. in september

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

budd cochran wrote show me where in the old or new testament where war is forbidden or killing during the war is forbidden. read it in context next time. the ten commandments were rules for living given by god to the israelites. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote you might call it a good suggestion but please do not include me in your group next time. its still a commandment to me. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. today we call that a good suggestion not rules to live healthy and productive lives by or to run governments with..... christians jews and muslims all trace their root to the old testament and the ten commandments. its to bad that the commandment thou shall not kill hasnt stopped either group from killing each other by the millions. jam that is the sad thing about it even the israelites didnt follow the 10 commandments and they paid a heavy price for it. im not naive enough to think that there are not times when you have to defend yourself your family or your country. however we should not be asking for gods blessing when we are forced to kill our fellow man we should be asking for his forgiveness. explain this one...if you can. jam .

From : budd cochran

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam give an example. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses lets see we have american citizens imprisoned with out charges being filled name the person place and reason for original arrest... no legal representation and being held in isolation. we have tortured and abused prisoners. be sure to tell the families of these men that you have a problem with a possible terrorist wearing a dog collar.. http//www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/pictures033104.html you think that ww2 was all fun and games too we have passed a law allowing the fbi to snoop into what books we read. like they didnt know if they wanted to before. we have oil companies and defense contractors telling our government what to do. the current administration has mounted the most far reaching attack on our personal freedoms in history. you can buy an assalt rifle now....is that a step back or forward twice now in my life time we have pulled our nation out of a military based economy and now bush has dragged us right back into another military based economy. is there something else for this country to be proud of besides our ability to kill our fellow man ask those nuts that flew the planes into the towers....oh..thats right...you cant....they died before everyone else. jam i wonder why we have never seen pictures of the burnt dead bodies of the over 13000 innocent iraqis we have killed can you prove they were innocent can you prove your numbers removing those that actually were not innocent hey....how many innocents were actually in the towers that morning think you can be on the next flight to bahgdad jam .

From : budd cochran

jesus was a hebrew not black white asian or any other race he was pure hebrew. marys lineage was traced back to abraham thru david all hebrew. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i dont think i have ever heard so called liberals ever say such a thing. maybe you could find some quotes we could read. jam .

From : j a m

you can always tell when liberals are losing an argument. they resort to name calling. what is aad john z kerry president t-bone steak houses attention defect disorder. look back at your own posts and see for yourself who has been calling people names. jam i think it is attention deficit disorder add but i am not a medical specialist. i sell t-bone steak dinners for a living. i called you names oh darn maybe i did a time or two not sure. garwshhhh ya got me on the ropes with that one. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

there were no terrorist in iraq until after we invaded. the war in iraq has nothing to do with the war on terror and 9/11. i agree with fighting the terrorists over there instead of over here. we could have done this in afghanistan. the fundamentalist muslim terrorists what to bring down all arab governments that are not fundamentalist islamic states including iraq. we did the hard work for them when/if our troops leave iraq the terrorist will still be there and ill bet you a dollar they will bring down the weak government we leave behind. kind of like the last immoral unjustified war we lost 30 years age. jam thats not what the intelligence reports from our own cia and the agencies of other countries said or the 911 commission said. you say terrorists are there now good we got em all in one spot keeping them busy and an easy hunt and kill for us. im hearing all this immoral and unjustified war from you. definitely a howard dean type of guy you are. hey even kerry says we aint leaving iraq until the job is done. you know hes going to use the global test and have us taking orders from the un and get the french and germans involved. you know the two countries who were in cahoots with saddam and the corrupt guys doing the oil for food program. gimme a break you are getting down right silly now! oh! you say another unjust war 30 years ago do you mean viet nam you told me you were either in during that time or served over there you never did say exactly. so were you one of those guys like kerry in uniform but protesting the war too john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i dont think i have ever heard so called liberals ever say such a thing. maybe you could find some quotes we could read. jam look at your own posts! or do we got to teach you guys from pittsburg everything john z kerry president t-bone steak houses im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam .

From : john z kerry

if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. i just referred j.a.m. to his recent post about fundamentalist religious zealots a favorite liberal catch phrase for anyone who attends church and/or believes in god. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote if the us was a country of individuals all saying i me me mine it wouldnt be a country at all it would be chaos. jam to repeat an oft asked question. does anybody know what j.a.m. is talking about john z kerry president t-bone steak houses anyone without a severe case of aad does. jam you can always tell when liberals are losing an argument. they resort to name calling. what is aad john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

it sucks when someone turns the tables on you doesnt it george bush is not deceiving without lying he is lying when he claims the the war in iraq has something to do with 9/11 and the war on terror. he has violated the constitution when he imprisons us citizens without charging them with a crime and allowing them to defend themselves. jam dont get foul on me now you been civil so far. well kerry claims there are terrorists in 60 some odd countries except iraq. he said that at the debates. so why is iraq the special exception that is if we agree that terrorists flew the jets into the twin towers who exactly are we fighting in iraq now there have been no further terrorist incidents here because we are keeping them busy in iraq. saddam hussein set up a training sanctuary for terrorists. that fact was in intelligence reports that even the dumocrats accept as accurate including komrad kerry. the 911 commission stated the same thing. iraq terrorists no connection i doubt it! thats just a myth kerry is perpetrating to discredit bush and get himself elected. of course you bush haters swallow it as gospel. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i dont think i have ever heard so called liberals ever say such a thing. maybe you could find some quotes we could read. jam look at your own posts! or do we got to teach you guys from pittsburg everything john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote this one group has hijacked the republican party and turned it 180 degrees from what it once was. how can you contract someone that cynically holds a bible in one hand a gun in the other and wraps himself in the flag of the united states jam one group so called conservative republicans here we go again with broad & sweeping statements. nevermind just enlighten us as to what the republican party used to be dont you remember abraham lincoln herbert hoover dwight eisenhower gerald ford the republican party use to be the party of moderation now it has become the party of intolerance. the republican party couldnt buy a vote in the south because it was the party of abraham lincoln. some of the worst raciest in our government were democrats. that all changed with lyndon johnson and the civil rights legislation he championed. after that the democrat party lost the support of the south and the republican party moved in to scoop up the disenfranchised intolerant former democrats. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses it sucks when someone turns the tables on you doesnt it george bush is not deceiving without lying he is lying when he claims the the war in iraq has something to do with 9/11 and the war on terror. he has violated the constitution when he imprisons us citizens without charging them with a crime and allowing them to defend themselves. jam .

From : j a m

by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

on sat 16 oct 2004 180155 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. jam does anybody know what he is talking about yea hes pointing out a simple fact so simple that it will escape your grasp. well if it is that simple share it man! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses extremism is never a good thing. jam yes you would be a good example of that. as would you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : john z kerry

budd cochran wrote how is it different from any other capital punishment which is what it was meant to be used for . . . oh wait if the murder killed your family member it might be a different thing al together right just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not so just lay down and let whatever terrorist group invading nation or dictator just walk rough shod over you your family and all youve earned. if they kill you or you family oh well. . . first you need to study jewish history. they were a group that killed among themselves for silly reasons like who owned which goat. nowhere in the o.t. does god forbid fighting in a war in fact he stopped the sun to give the israelites the victory according to the bible. in another instance he sent his angels down to fight with gideon. does that sound like he condemns killing in wartime as i told you the commandment was directed to the hebrews for their daily lives. just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. and you need to learn the difference between the two. one is to insure the continuance of the hebrews as a ethnic group and the other is to prevent red tide poisonings a health problem common in that area about 5k years ago. two entirely different reasons for the use of the word. btw which version are you taking this stuff from the king james version is considered by most biblical scholars to be the most accurate. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. lack of understanding of what the bible really says is no basis to condemn it not to mention an apples and oranges comparision by you between sexual and health matters. and you continue to demonstrate your own small mindedness. budd actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam .

From : j a m

i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

is myersville md a good place to open a new steak house i dont know where that is.......... unless you mean millersville md. thats the home base of my isp cablespeed but if you do it will help sorry gwb in creating jobs. he needs all the help he can get at this point! you might want to open a few in iraq now that they are free. name the first platter the missing wmds ken .

From : john z kerry

budd cochran wrote show me where in the old or new testament where war is forbidden or killing during the war is forbidden. read it in context next time. the ten commandments were rules for living given by god to the israelites. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote you might call it a good suggestion but please do not include me in your group next time. its still a commandment to me. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. today we call that a good suggestion not rules to live healthy and productive lives by or to run governments with..... christians jews and muslims all trace their root to the old testament and the ten commandments. its to bad that the commandment thou shall not kill hasnt stopped either group from killing each other by the millions. jam that is the sad thing about it even the israelites didnt follow the 10 commandments and they paid a heavy price for it. im not naive enough to think that there are not times when you have to defend yourself your family or your country. however we should not be asking for gods blessing when we are forced to kill our fellow man we should be asking for his forgiveness. jam .

From : budd cochran

forget about dictionary definitions of conservatism and liberalism both have morphed into something that is ugly and doesnt even resemble their origins. plain and simple the current threats to individual freedoms come from the right. you got that right. ever hear of a book written about the dumocrat party by a democrat u.s. senator by the name of zell miller i know you liberals are in denial when it comes to his book so heres the title to refresh your memory a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. john z kerry president t-bone steak house we served up a free t-bone to sen. miller last year .

From : john kunkel

how is it different from any other capital punishment which is what it was meant to be used for . . . oh wait if the murder killed your family member it might be a different thing al together right just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not so just lay down and let whatever terrorist group invading nation or dictator just walk rough shod over you your family and all youve earned. if they kill you or you family oh well. . . first you need to study jewish history. they were a group that killed among themselves for silly reasons like who owned which goat. nowhere in the o.t. does god forbid fighting in a war in fact he stopped the sun to give the israelites the victory according to the bible. in another instance he sent his angels down to fight with gideon. does that sound like he condemns killing in wartime as i told you the commandment was directed to the hebrews for their daily lives. just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. and you need to learn the difference between the two. one is to insure the continuance of the hebrews as a ethnic group and the other is to prevent red tide poisonings a health problem common in that area about 5k years ago. two entirely different reasons for the use of the word. btw which version are you taking this stuff from the king james version is considered by most biblical scholars to be the most accurate. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. lack of understanding of what the bible really says is no basis to condemn it not to mention an apples and oranges comparision by you between sexual and health matters. and you continue to demonstrate your own small mindedness. budd .

From : theguy

john kunkel wrote how about the patriot act for starters possibly the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the last century you do realize that most of the patriot act was not authored during bushs years right it is not a new document. got a source for that claim it was enacted during bushs reign. just like the dea which was born from a republican administration and has stomped on civil rights confiscated property and any number of other attacks on liberty and has been a marked failure. how about the conservatives continuing goal to control what we read and see via censorship what we can ingest the list goes on. what censorship are you referring to can you give us an example how about ashcrofts continuing campaign against pornography those most often behind attempts at censorship of any sexually explicit material are conservatives. conservatism is quite possibly the greatest threat to personal freedoms in this country; ban this outlaw that with the ultimate goal of controlling all facets of our lives. the liberals have their lawyers that effectively do the same thing even worse. now you want to put two of them into office i dont see how you can perceive liberals as a threat to personal freedoms the majority of the civil liberties you enjoy today were brought about by the liberal court. forget about dictionary definitions of conservatism and liberalism both have morphed into something that is ugly and doesnt even resemble their origins. plain and simple the current threats to individual freedoms come from the right. .

From : j a m

youre normal and people claim the human race is evolving toward something better. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. ya gotta say one thing in dennys favor . . . he walks to the beat of his own drum he cant play it but he walks to its beat anyway. -- budd do you really want everybody to be as normal as i denny g .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 200843 -0700 the sneed ts1435@aol.com wrote john z kerry wrote he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i wish one of you would define core values for me. or is that just another meaningless wise crack in most cases the conservatives resort to using little catch phrases that theyve heard but have no idea of the meaning of they just inject them into statements like dutiful little robots and voice them like parrots. yeah right. as opposed to liberals who resort to using little catch phrases theyve heard that they do understand the meaning of. which pretty much just means that liberals must know that they are lying when they use the little catch phrases but use them anyway what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam .

From : j a m

on sat 16 oct 2004 180155 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote so called conservative republicans are neither conservative or republican in their thinking. the are on the extreme right of the political spectrum. they see compromise as a dirty word and will not tolerate a difference of opinion. they live in a black and white world and make things difficult for the rest of us that live somewhere in the gray area of moderation. its the people on the extream left and the extream right that make the rest of us suffer. jam does anybody know what he is talking about yea hes pointing out a simple fact so simple that it will escape your grasp. well if it is that simple share it man! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses extremism is never a good thing. jam yes you would be a good example of that. .

From : john kunkel

miles wrote john kunkel wrote an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. it depends on the market in question. same goes for people in general. when unions gain enough strength they are every bit as greedy. my point was that the vast majority of corporations are not greedy or corrupt. that is a liberal myth. regulations need to be used very sparingly to address specific issues in specific market areas. as for the past our gov. has shown its ineptness to regulate corporations such that there is a fair balance between consumers employees and owners. deregulation does not always a positive effect on our society. lets see we have deregulated the air lines public utilities savings and loans and communications. these are all that come to mind right now. jam .

From : j a m

how is it different from any other capital punishment which is what it was meant to be used for . . . oh wait if the murder killed your family member it might be a different thing al together right just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. .

From : j a m

budd cochran wrote but i dont see the conservatives wanting to take away my right to start or join a revolution to rid the country of a dictatorial leader by taking away my right to arm myself. the first thing a dictatorial government wants to do is take away the right to bear arms. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam give an example. how about the patriot act for starters possibly the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the last century and the conservatives intent to pass constitutional amendments to limit freedom of expression and lifestyle. and how about the conservatives continuing goal to control what we read and see via censorship what we can ingest the list goes on. conservatism is quite possibly the greatest threat to personal freedoms in this country; ban this outlaw that with the ultimate goal of controlling all facets of our lives. i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam .

From : budd cochran

ya gotta say one thing in dennys favor . . . he walks to the beat of his own drum he cant play it but he walks to its beat anyway. sure he can. havent you guys see the battery commercial thats him!! actually a much smaller version amazing what they can do with cameras. vbfg roy .

From : the sneed

if the shoe fits.......... subject fw life life is all about ass; youre either covering it laughing it off kicking it kissing it busting it trying to get a piece of it or behaving like one. .

From : john z kerry

the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. buwahahahahahahaha!!! golly gee what a surprise. next thing you know the moral majority will endorse him and if all goes well the republican party might even endorse him. some things are just too predictable. .

From : theguy

ken nobody@home.com was confused about the letter location on his keyboard when he pecked out the following snip youre right about one thing. aint nobody@home. aw .

From : the sneed

john kunkel wrote http//www.iconoclast-texas.com/columns/editorial/editorial39.htm i only read the first bit of this and assume the rest is just as much bs. why do liberals seem to think the ss fund is a pile of money somewhere that bush or anyone else opened the lock on and spent what was inside dont any liberals understand our governments cash flow methods overtime policies of companies have largly not been changed. for decades they have not paid overtime to supervisory employees. the laws intent is to now define what currently has been up to a company to define as it saw fit. there are estimates of loss in overtime to gains in overtime all over the map depending on the source. 2 million jobs have been outsourced in the past 4 years. what liberals dont care about is the 9 million jobs insourced during that same time frame. they didnt mention it by name but the one statement is in regards to haliburton. they fail to mention that haliburton also got the contract on a no bid during the gulf war. where were you liberals ranting back then oh ya clinton was in the wh so it was ok. liberals also fail to remember clintons contingency planning contracts awarded to companies for such services that may arise such as the gulf war. guess who clinton named for contingency oil contracts not to mention that clinton had sent the economy into the tank before bush took over. thats what eight years of just partying in the white house did. why pay attention to the economy when the previous president had it all fixed for you .

From : budd cochran

john kunkel wrote the only thing that little minds can do is to label those who oppose their narrow view as liberals. what you mean liberal is something to be ashamed of ............ okay ill buy that. jerry .

From : budd cochran

roy wrote john you are going to have the wrath of the zealots on ya in a few minutes. bfg not really the same paper never did endorse bush. however least we pass over it a paper in boston also endorsed bush......... think it really matters............... jerry .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote i agree is was inappropriate but it old . jam oh i got it now. when it is something possibly negative about a republican it doesnt matter how old it is or how many times it has been rehashed like bushs national guard records. it is always fresh even when it is outright lies. remember cbs dan rather and 60 lies in 60 mins. you do recall this recent incident dont you however when it may have a negative effect on the dumocrats then it is old even when it is only hours old such as kerrys attack on cheneys daughter. classic liberal hypocrisy! and taken right from bill & hills damage control guidelines. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. jam and kerrys attack on cheneys daughter what is the status of that old fresh or whatever the left calls it as needed i didnt know that cheneys daughter was running for president nor that kerry had any interest in what went on in the cheney household....much less a right to speak about something that cheney has done in the past as a father....hummm...wonder if kerrys girls every had a romp with a college bunkmate. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses ive never understood what teresa kerry has to do do with it either. we are not electing their families. jam .

From : miles

john z kerry wrote it was a lame attempt to show that the vice president may support gay rights and that he may not be acceptable the the extreme right of the republican party. the old is about cheneys daughter being a lesbian. anyone that has been paying attention for the last six months already knew it. anyway i thought that kerry was complimenting cheney for showing a little tolerance toward a difference of opinion and lifestyle. jam exactly it was a deliberate attack on cheneys family with the intention of shaving off support from bushs base. except it backfired badly on komrad kerry. like i said before the left does not understand bushs base and fears it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think calling it an attack is a little extreme. i also fear bushs base. jam .

From : miles

caper wrote image only a loved starved horny chevy owner could see something feminine in that image. jam .

From : j a m

roy wrote i only read the first bit of this and assume the rest is just as much bs. boy does that statement speak volumes. yep the rest was volumes of bs! .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote budd cochran wrote show me where in the old or new testament where war is forbidden or killing during the war is forbidden. read it in context next time. the ten commandments were rules for living given by god to the israelites. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote you might call it a good suggestion but please do not include me in your group next time. its still a commandment to me. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. today we call that a good suggestion not rules to live healthy and productive lives by or to run governments with..... christians jews and muslims all trace their root to the old testament and the ten commandments. its to bad that the commandment thou shall not kill hasnt stopped either group from killing each other by the millions. jam that is the sad thing about it even the israelites didnt follow the 10 commandments and they paid a heavy price for it. im not naive enough to think that there are not times when you have to defend yourself your family or your country. however we should not be asking for gods blessing when we are forced to kill our fellow man we should be asking for his forgiveness. explain this one...if you can. jam explain what jam .

From : j a m

the sneed wrote with all due respect steve you could buy an assault rifle even with the ban in effect. so few that rant about the assault rifle ban not being renewed have never read the actual bill. they hear just that one title line and make baseless assumptions. that ban did very very little. most items in that ban are outlawed through other measures passed earlier. the so called assault rifle ban was passed by legislators as a symbolic gesture that they are doing something towards controlling gun problems. .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote john z kerry wrote actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses btw jesus was a man of color. he probably resembled the people of the middle east more than the white european he has been represented as to us. why dont you thank the roman catholic church for that...and while you are at it thank them for putting christmas at the end of the year.....do you know why its the last major religious holiday of a calender year jam im only guessing but was it to coincide with a jewish or pagan holiday like easter jam .

From : j a m

steve@carolinabreezehvac wrote i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses so we should elect our presidents base on their support of a single industry jam .

From : j a m

im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - lol yea a typical conservative response blame someone else. that thread is long dead politically speaking and even if i never posted it this shit would be here just the same and if you dont believe it you are dumber than the typical extreme right wing conservative. i never even mentioned your name but here you came. thanks for the admission. even if you never posted it it would still be here what a lame excuse for your behavior. no wonder you think im dumb. anything above room temperature iq must look bad to you. .

From : tbone

john z kerry wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the facts i have stated could easily be corroborated by you if you had any intellectual curiosity at all. but i dont care what you think - you can spit them out choke on them or swallow them - as you please. facts lol! any liberal i know runs from facts. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses some conservatives i know run from the truth. jam .

From : john z kerry

why does komrad kerry refuse to sign sf180 to release the remaining 100 pages of his military service record simple. kerry received a dishonorable discharge from the u.s.navy because of his treason against the united states. the leftist liberals have long forgotten how they divulged bushs drunk driving conviction and how they recently used fraudulent forged national guard records against bush. so expect the leftist liberals to loudly scream foul when komrad kerrys dishonorable discharge is finally made public soon. www.nysun.com/article/3107 john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

you got that right. ever hear of a book written about the dumocrat party by a democrat u.s. senator by the name of zell miller i know you liberals are in denial when it comes to his book so heres the title to refresh your memory a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. big deal a conservative democrat; heres a conservative supporting kerry rotflmao! boy you had to dig deep to find that and the guy is a career bureaucrat an employee held over from a democrat administration! conservative in name only to make himself appear as something he is not. errrrrr last time i checked zell miller is an elected official a u.s. senator as well as a life long democrat. he refuses to change parties even now. from what i know zell miller is second in popularity in his home state of georgia only to bush. did you catch millers speech at the republican convention the line about spitballs will go down in political history!!!!!! get em zell! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd what troubles me is that some folks cant see that. they think that the idiots are some sort of wonderful. roy . 222 291884 60d44$4172f99f$45234932$20994@allthegroups.com im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - ive no problem with the threads at all i just dont see it as helping either of the two idiots. this will end in a couple of weeks anyway. with regards to who started it ya gotta figure that if ya dont have a clue about trucks babble about something else it does break up the monotony though. roy agreed. i dont think the level of discourse in here isnt much different from what were seeing on the campaign trail pretty petty. while i disagree with your choice of candidate i havent been less enthused about mine since 1976 who was that anyway oh yeah ford and thats pretty low ill tell ya...i can barely stand to listen to either of them. we have an idiot running against a moron. you put which label on which candidate. i honestly cant vote for either. politics in this country has sunk to new lows in the past several elections. all idiots!!!!!!!!!!!! dddd .

From : john kunkel

youve got that backwards only a miniscule portion of the worlds terrorists are in iraq and theyre not easy to hunt cause they look just like the friendly native towelheads. what bush has done is to bring americans into a killing zone and made it easy to kill them. no need to save money for a ticket to the usa just ride a camel a few miles and bush has a shooting gallery all set up for the terrorists. unlike a conventional battlefield where opponents wear uniforms for easy identification the insurgents can fight using guerrilla tactics and then run off and blend right in with the locals. the u.s. soldiers stand out and are easy to identify. same situation as vietnam with the likelihood of the same result. i believe it is you who has things backwards. btw according to komrad kerry there are no terrorists in iraq. thus according to kerry we have no business in iraq. flip-flop flip-flop do you have any faith in our military no you liberals dont. it is the terrorists who are in a killing zone not our guys! bush has them right where he wants them mainly not in our country. our guys have excellent morale despite the fact the media arm of the democrat party refuses to report this fact. our guys are k

From : john kunkel

on sun 17 oct 2004 140733 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. by definition outlaws are outside the law and as everyone knows outlaws are against the law. therefore to be outside the law is to be against it. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying there can be no deception without lies or lying. deception itself is a form of lying. while deception is a form of lying it is not outright lying itself and no actual lies are needed to deceive someone. only a liberal democrat could find distinctions in the definition of lying. lol. again tom it becomes more clear how you can support kerry. .

From : john kunkel

on sun 17 oct 2004 140432 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on 16 oct 2004 203422 -0700 bill.negraeff@cballiance.com bill negraeff wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the facts i have stated could easily be corroborated by you if you had any intellectual curiosity at all. but i dont care what you think - you can spit them out choke on them or swallow them - as you please. well how liberal of you bill. what a fellow you must be. pkb dude any way you want to spin it pkb. and how liberal of you tom. thank you. .

From : tbone

on sun 17 oct 2004 010950 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote actually we get a little less than half the flu vaccine from the company chiron out of england. thats why there is just a shortage and not a complete loss. the vaccine for the us is produced in liverpool which is the only source from chiron approved for the us by food & drugs. chiron has plants in marburg germany and siena italy which are still producing the vaccine but is not approved for us use........ dont know why. btw chirons us head office is in emeryville ca so maybe we can blame this on california also jerry that explains it jerry.. emeryville is right next to berkeley... better known as bazerkly... .

From : tbone

on 16 oct 2004 203422 -0700 bill.negraeff@cballiance.com bill negraeff wrote by outside the law i dont mean against the law. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying and b. defying the spirit of legislation without violating the letter of the law proof that will come on november 2. you are evading the question typical liberal tactics. your reply has no substance much less specific examples. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the facts i have stated could easily be corroborated by you if you had any intellectual curiosity at all. but i dont care what you think - you can spit them out choke on them or swallow them - as you please. well how liberal of you bill. what a fellow you must be. pkb dude any way you want to spin it pkb. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

theguy wrote keeeeripes! now he is quoting from the new york times dan rather and peter jenningss favorite paper. next jam will be quoting as truth what he hears on air america. rotflmao! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

im not a liberal im somewhere in the middle. only someone on the extreme right would see me as a liberal. what i said were my own words. jam i am not going to quibble further with you over positions in the political spectrum. you can and will believe what you want. save for this. pat buchanan is the true extreme right and i dont agree with much if not most of what he professes. otoh todays democrat party has moved so far to the left that anyone to the right of them they call an extremist. i mean hey who can you name who is further to the left than todays democrat party komrad kerry is even further to the left than ted kennedy. otoh todays republican party includes people like arnold schwartznegger john mccain and rudy guilliannesp. who is your equivalent of them in the democratic party today none! your whole party sits so far on the extreme left of the political spectrum that people like zell miller and other moderate democrats like him are disgusted. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

walmart you say well i have to go there tomroow anywayz... i would liek to get a good light for the holes jas thanx ; on sat 16 oct 2004 194106 -0400 kellyj jkcac@bellsouth.net wrote for my 94 i picked up a set from believe it or not walmart they fit the holes perfectly & looked good plus lit the road nicely. think they were about $35 give or take & come with all wiring & switch. wish i could remember exactly what brand/model. check your local wally world if i remember right they were packaged in a blueish box. welp iam looking for a nice set of driving lights for my 1995 ram 4x4. it has the space for the stock ones but i woud like to go with some other maybe cheaper maybe better any suggestions thanx jas .

From : theguy

senior citizens letter i am a senior citizen. during the clinton administration i had an extremely good and well paying job. i took numerous vacations and had several vacation homes. since president bush took office i have watched my entire life change for the worse. i lost my job. i lost my two sons in that terrible iraqi war. i lost my homes. i lost my health insurance. as a matter of fact i lost virtually everything and became homeless. adding insult to injury when the authorities found me living like an animal instead of helping me they arrested me. i will do anything to insure president bushs defeat in the next election. i will do anything that senator kerry wants to insure that a democrat is back in the white house come next year. bush has to go. i just thought you and your listeners would like to know how one senior citizen views the bush administration. thank you for taking the time to read my letter. sincerely sadaam hussein .

From : roy

roy wrote i could venture a guess but........ anyway what is pissing me off is that we get all of the flu vaccine from on friggin company and import it to boot. which brings to mind one other thing we cant get prescription drugs from canada because the arent approved even though they are the friggin same ones we get here in the us and are exported to canada. but we can get all of our flu vaccine from england. somebodys thinking is fucked. actually we get a little less than half the flu vaccine from the company chiron out of england. thats why there is just a shortage and not a complete loss. the vaccine for the us is produced in liverpool which is the only source from chiron approved for the us by food & drugs. chiron has plants in marburg germany and siena italy which are still producing the vaccine but is not approved for us use........ dont know why. btw chirons us head office is in emeryville ca so maybe we can blame this on california also jerry .

From : jerry

john kunkel wrote just like bush you sidestep issues. if thou shalt not kill is a commandment how can any form of killing be condoned state sanctioned or not just like the many who quote leviticus to condemn homosexuality which is described as an abomination but ignore the verses in leviticus that forbid the consumption of shellfish also described as an abomination. contradiction and inconsistency are a poor basis for belief. if you are going to use leviticus as a reference then surely you know the same book sanctions killing. you do know dont you that the original translation of thou shalt not kill was thou shalt not murder and was later changed by the church for better control over the congregation. as a matter of fact according to the scriptures god told moses to kill certain people if certain sins had been committed. straight from the horses mouth so to speak. now that is more bible talk than i have done in years so dont expect more........ jerry wow!! im impressed. live and learn i guess. roy .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote you couldnt hold up you end of an intelligent discussion if it had handles. lies wise cracks and insults is that all you have to offer george bush is one of those yellow belly viet nam era draft dodgers however his father had enough money and influence so that he didnt have to leave the country. john kerry volunteered to serve his country during the vietnam war and so did i. bush was a draft dogging party boy while kerry put his life on the line for his country. who do you think is more qualified to lead our country in war jam oh puleeeeeeeeeze. if you are going to bring up the national guard stuff again take it up with cbs and dan rather. btw are you saying national guard service is not military service. i think you had better inform all our men & women from the national guard units who are serving presently in iraq that they are not performing military service. four months service in viet nam as a junior officer does not qualify one to be cinc. so you served during the nam era or were you actually in country i was marine recon enlisted phu bai 1968-70. where were you what service and unit when john z kerry president t-bone steak houses the you must have first had experience of what it is like to be mislead by a bunch of self-serving politicians. i was very fortunate not to have been stationed in vietnam during my service. however that does not negate the fact that i volunteered for service. dan rather apologized for his mistakes. when will bush apologize for his jam lyndon johnson was cinc and vastly expanded the war by asking for a blank check from congress. it was called the tonkin gulf resolution. johnson was a democrat. i am glad to hear you volunteered for military service. that is a plus. we needed guys in support billets back home. as far as apologies jane fonda apologized. when is kerry going to apologize be sure to watch stolen honor to be aired next week on sinclair broadcasting tv stations. it is the story of kerrys treachery and traitorous behavior after he returned home from his four months of service in viet nam. the story is told by former american pows who suffered at the hands of their no. vietnamese captors as a result of kerrys anti-war broadcasts. like i said jane fonda apologized for her treason. when will kerry apologize for his treason john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

i agree with that. the right to keep and bear arms is a constitutional right of all law abiding citizens. jam yes and understand that it is an individual right and not a collective right as liberal activist judges interpret it. kerry openly admitted at the debates that he will only appoint judges to the supreme court who pass his litmus test. you do know that means he will only appoint liberal activist judges dont you bush otoh said at the debates he will appoint judges who uphold the constitution. it is not a rubber living constitution as you liberals are so fond of calling it a constitution where liberal activist judges continually find so called rights that they seem to dream up from no where in their misguided attempts to legislate from the bench. your boy komrad kerry has never met an anti-gun law he doesnt like. his senate voting record is there for all to see. hunter my ass! hes a gun grabber. yup...there is a reason that the gun makers are and have been putting support bush and our troops bumper stickers in their boxes for shipment. it aint cause kerrys gonna support em john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : steve carolinabreezehvac

roy wrote you say something like this and have the nerve to talk about me. you are really one low life worthless piece of shit cocksucker. stay the fuck out of it t bone. he may have a reason for feeling the way he does. roy let me qualify this before it get into a pissing contest. if there are any vets that are still traumatized from the war any war then we/this country owes it to them to be taken care of. im sure there are still some that may have slipped through the cracks and in all honesty if they are still messed up then they need to be in a guarded facility but i think the majority of those you see on the streets living in boxes tents or under bridges and are using the excuse im this way because im a viet nam vet simply dont want to be part of society and never intended to. these are the people im talking about and that is a majority of the percentage that mac referenced. jerry .

From : jerry

roy wrote hell mac theyve been there since the 70s. youre a viet nam vet i am roy is as is others around here ............. why arent we sitting there complaining. i dont feel one bit sorry for them. jerry wtf kind of a attitude is that maybe some had a harder time dealing with combat some couldnt deal with it at all. some ended up in a psychiatric ward others were head wounds. you damn well should feel sorry for them and be fuckin thankful you arent one of them. oh give me a break roy. im well aware there were some vets that came back messed up and for the most part these were taken care by the va. if you thing the majority of those that are still sitting on their ass on the streets after over 30 years are still having problems from combat then you are living in another world. most of them were bums when they went to war and they continue to find a excuse to continue that way after the war. everyone had the same chance as the next guy to put their life on track after coming back. no i dont fell sorry for most of them and no i dont have to be thankful im not one of them because i would have got up off my ass and moved on. head wounds my ass........ jerry .

From : john z kerry

how about the patriot act for starters possibly the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the last century and the//drivelsnipped// yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn! same old looney left drivel that has been proved wrong so many times that kerrys campaign spin machine has even given up using it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john kunkel

show me where in the old or new testament where war is forbidden or killing during the war is forbidden. read it in context next time. the ten commandments were rules for living given by god to the israelites. oh and how does killing by stoning as directed in the same bible differ from killing in other forms .

From : roy

scott schimele wrote anyone out there having problems with their brakes squeaking on their 2002 ram truck if so please e-mail me. any info. is appreciated. scott pretty common. my 95 ram did it and so does my 01 dakota. the problem/noise is caused by the pads vibrating in the calipers. the vibration is made worse by glazing of the pads and rotor. remove the pads from the calipers. clean the back of the pads and the caliper mounting surfaces well with a good cleaner and a wire brush. sand the glaze off the pad surfaces by hand with a little sandpaper. dont remove too much. also use a 120grit sanding disc in a drill motor or a finish sander and lightly sand the disc surfaces. again youre just cleaning them up not resurfacing them. assemble the pads and calipers using a little bit of permatex disc brake quiet on the pad mounting surfaces. put the truck back together and let it sit overnight before applying the brake pedal. now bed the pads just like new pads. on my 95 ram i had to do this about once a year. on my dakota i did it once at about 10k miles. the pads are still quiet at 60k miles. -- ..bob 01 dakota quad cab 5.9/auto/4x4 97 h-d fxdwg - turbocharged! 84 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 65 427sc cobra ffr replica - project 66 mustang coup - daily driver .

From : john kunkel

tbone wrote lol yea like a full blown extreme right wing site will do anything but creatively credit the right wing. clinton did not stop spending. bush sr. held spending at 4% per year increase. clinton averaged 8%. there was no surplus. he raised the heck out of taxes and then projected spending increases over the next 10 years at only 4% something he never held to during his term. thats why only 1 of the 3 budget projections given you do know 3 different agencies give projections right showed this so called surplus. the other two showed a deficit projection. dang liberals who think the surplus was a pile of excess money sitting somewhere rather than a projected cash flow. .

From : miles

http//www.iconoclast-texas.com/columns/editorial/editorial39.htm john you are going to have the wrath of the zealots on ya in a few minutes. bfg roy .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran wrote the first thing a dictatorial government wants to do is take away the right to bear arms. bear i just realized ive had it all wrong. for decades ive been an avid camper in the mountains. i had firmly believed it was my right to arm bears. .

From : miles

john kunkel wrote rush limbaugh/michael moore birds of a feather. rush tells only one side of a story. moore deliberatly uses creative editing to produce an illusion pointing a person towards his viewpoint. neither is great but they are vastly different techniques. .

From : john z kerry

front fogs are white rear fogs are red in an offset position and amber is for turning -- europe. there used to be yellow fog lights but very different to amber. france used to have yellow headlights. all standardised. the only thing that isnt is whether headlights should be on during daylight. das -- for direct contact replace nospam with schmetterling --- ..... international agreements yes the usa signed and ratified it mandates that amber just be used for flashing lights front and rear and side. if the usa followed that treaty requirement there would be no issue of having to guess if a yellow light in the fog was the front or rear of a vehicle it would unambiguously tell you that a vehicle is either flashing a turn or if both are flashing that the vehicle is either very slow or parked. instead the usa lets the car makers do whatever they want. .......... .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i wish one of you would define core values for me. or is that just another meaningless wise crack in most cases the conservatives resort to using little catch phrases that theyve heard but have no idea of the meaning of they just inject them into statements like dutiful little robots and voice them like parrots. do you do stand up comedy too john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : miles

john kunkel wrote unlike the core values of a conservative that has him opposed to social change unless it benefits himself is someone who wants the government to butt out of corporations rights to steal and abuse people here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. so all businesses are corporations if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. an honest opinion would unregulated corporations strive to do the right thing or would they exhibit unbridled greed in the quest for higher profits when answering use the past as an example of what unregulated corporations do. .

From : john kunkel

john kunkel wrote how about the patriot act for starters possibly the greatest usurpation of civil liberties in the last century you do realize that most of the patriot act was not authored during bushs years right it is not a new document. how about the conservatives continuing goal to control what we read and see via censorship what we can ingest the list goes on. what censorship are you referring to can you give us an example conservatism is quite possibly the greatest threat to personal freedoms in this country; ban this outlaw that with the ultimate goal of controlling all facets of our lives. the liberals have their lawyers that effectively do the same thing even worse. now you want to put two of them into office .

From : john kunkel

john z kerry wrote he forgot the verse thou shall not kill! he didnt forget; he has no core values and never did. kerry quoting the bible is probably the height of liberal hypocrisy! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i wish one of you would define core values for me. or is that just another meaningless wise crack in most cases the conservatives resort to using little catch phrases that theyve heard but have no idea of the meaning of they just inject them into statements like dutiful little robots and voice them like parrots. .

From : john z kerry

daniel j. stern wrote on wed 13 oct 2004 steve wrote pick your badness! do you want the brake tail and turn signal functions all lumped into one lamp which can give only one signal at a time and if it fails you lose all functions on that side badness my 69 has 3 lamps per side actually. built-in redundancy. problem solved. halfassedly. if it fails you lose all functions on that side problem solved. can give only one signal at a time problem unsolved. if all a surrounding driver can see is one side or the other and you are stepping on the brakes and signalling for a turn or lanechange in the direction of the only rear lamp he can see all he sees is your blinker not your brake light.half the problem solved. and so how should one respond differently to a blinker or a brake either one means this car is slowing down so its pretty much a moot point especially since both rear lamps and the chmsl are going to be simultaneously visible 99% of the time. otoh seeing amber in limited visibility conditions implies approaching vehicle which is flat-out false in the case of amber rear turn signals. meaning you have to rely on simultaneously seeing headlamps or taillamps to resolve that ambiguity. youre just trading one ambiguity for another and id argue that the signal or brake ambiguity isnt particularly dangerous since you should assume that the car is slowing to a near-stop at least under either condition. the fact of the matter is that both systems work perfectly well both have done so for over 50 years and i think youd be hard-pressed to find a statistically different number of collisions based on the color of the rear turn signals except for the duelling reds design you mentioned before. thats your open invitation to prove me wrong. - international agreements yes the usa signed and ratified it mandates that amber just be used for flashing lights front and rear and side. if the usa followed that treaty requirement there would be no issue of having to guess if a yellow light in the fog was the front or rear of a vehicle it would unambiguously tell you that a vehicle is either flashing a turn or if both are flashing that the vehicle is either very slow or parked. instead the usa lets the car makers do whatever they want. has anyone done a study to show that our assumptions about amber being safer is valid richard. .

From : john z kerry

yes i am sick. im sick of the truth being obscured by meaningless wise cracks and lying politicians. the biggest spending presidents in the history of our nation were/are republicans. the democrats are big spenders. the republicans are big spenders. the democrats spend our money on people. the republicans spend our money on killing people. jam how long have you had this problem john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

john z kerry wrote this is the conservative method. you must answer difficult and complicate question with meaningless wise cracks. that is all bush has been doing for five years. jam yup and every bush wise crack drives his poll numbers up another point. and kerrys attack on cheneys family earned kerry a scolding today even from his pals in the liberal media! cool! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses your characterizing kerrys comments as an attack is just your fantasy. i thought he was congratulating him on tolerating a damned to hell by god in the bible homosexual in his family. jam .

From : j a m

more meaningless wise cracks. jam and more positive poll numbers for bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : budd cochran

on fri 15 oct 2004 032132 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 015436 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders your opinion. i dont share it. the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ you just did! george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. i think that is pretty understated. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has. we disagree. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. good. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. and you would know how this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. pretty poor style of argument. i dont think that he refused to apologize for an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. is that his exact words no i think that is your words. putting your words into his mouth and stating it as fact is lying. you are a liar. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. yes we have just been lied to by you. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. oh man so it is just as simple as choosing life or death you may be correct but you may have your candidates switched around a little bit. jam jam i am sure that your long winded drivel impressed yourself but it didnt impress me in the least. just more stupid naivety from another idiot. i tried and failed to make is simple enough for you to under stand. jam lol. for me to under stand you pseudo intellectual. that means fake intellectual im convinced i have to explain that to you. you are an absolute moron trying so hard to make yourself feel like an intellect. you have no idea what you are talking about. what a geek. got a new computer huh just had to get on a ng somewhere huh what are you about 15 years old .

From : j a m

theguy wrote on fri 15 oct 2004 015436 gmt j. a. m. jimbob@pgh.net wrote john z kerry wrote an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush no core values just hatred of bush. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses core values george bush & tony blair are mass murders your opinion. i dont share it. the debates are over and no one has discussed the subject of the mass murder of over 13000 civilians in iraq. http//www.iraqbodycount.net/ you just did! george bush claims that terrorists do not value human life. i think that is pretty understated. he claims that pro choice advocates do not respect the sanctity of human life. he has. we disagree. he has repeatedly stated that he would do it all over again if given the chance. good. learning from your mistakes is a sign of intelligence. and you would know how this morning i listened to tony blair refuse to apologize to the british people for leading them into an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. pretty poor style of argument. i dont think that he refused to apologize for an unjustified immoral and ill conceived war. is that his exact words no i think that is your words. putting your words into his mouth and stating it as fact is lying. you are a liar. we have been lied to and miss led by the current administration of george bush dick cheney paul wolfowitz and donald rumsfeld into paying with the lives of our soldiers and the lives of more than 13000 innocent iraqis to soothe their enormous egos. yes we have just been lied to by you. all the other issues in this election pale to insignificance in the face of the mass murder of innocent peoples. the democrats are big spenders and so are the republicans. the difference is that the democrats will spend our money on people. the republicans will spend our money on killing people. when you make your choice on election day choose life. oh man so it is just as simple as choosing life or death you may be correct but you may have your candidates switched around a little bit. jam jam i am sure that your long winded drivel impressed yourself but it didnt impress me in the least. just more stupid naivety from another idiot. i tried and failed to make is simple enough for you to under stand. jam .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member i was a member of the nra until they became a political action committee for the extreme right wing of the republican party. jam .

From : j a m

this is the conservative method. you must answer difficult and complicate question with meaningless wise cracks. that is all bush has been doing for five years. jam yup and every bush wise crack drives his poll numbers up another point. and kerrys attack on cheneys family earned kerry a scolding today even from his pals in the liberal media! cool! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote here is a classic example of the liberal myth. that all or even most businesses are corrupt and greedy. if liberals had their way then corporations would be reduced to miniscule profits and the incentive to achieve and grow would be minimized. there is some truth to the greed and corruption issue but what liberals want has great negative impact on far more than just the few corrupt corporations. very simply put liberals are all for having an intrusive big all-knowing all-protective bureaucratic federal government control all facets of our lives. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses jeewiz that sounds just like the way we are living now under the current administration. jam .

From : budd cochran

massive snipping for the heck of it. imaginary then you better go to the blow-thru turbo group on yahoo or the mcpax group and tell mr. datson hes a figment of the imagination. im sure hell get a kick out of your idiocy. still with the name calling and you say that i dont know when to give up on the personal attacks. well that happens to be today. no mentioning your idiocy isnt a personal attack its a discription of your competency or lack of same. it was you that claimed i didnt have his book and he could tell whether i do or not. actually there were only going to be automotive questions some that may have turbo applicability but with such an accusation as youve made i may just add more questions about performance improvements and youll need to list your sources for the answers. like i said before if you want to do that go for it. i have nothing to lose. so true . . . . . -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. .

From : john kunkel

yeah me too but i didnt want him to start kissing me anywhere. he hasnt earned the right to be good enough to kiss my butt. watch for childish retort. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. hmm you never did prove i was a failure but everytime you post your insecurity shows. yes i did. i doubt that the grass cutting buisness ever existed and if it did and you were really givng your family that much money and they were still trying to collect welfare that shows what kind of stock you come from. as for the other two both failures were yours for both signing an idiotic contract and the other for not planning ahead. whether you believe or not that i had a lawn service doesnt matter your word has less than zero value for truthfulness. as for the others fine believe what ever your little mind can handle. i hope someday you find yourself in the same situtations. that doesnt sound very christian like of you. and you make the common error of think christians are not allowed to defend themselves or their families. the scripture says to turn the other cheek and god only gave me two. youre a little different than most people. i got two under my nose and two on my backside... vbg denny .

From : partsmore

i am interested in your idea but i admit i am skeptical. i still would like to see the performance specifications of the deutz engine. the torque and horsepower ratings throughout the rpm range are key pieces of information that have not been presented for comparison. the deutz may be better than the cummins isb but until you can provide a full scale performance comparison it will be very difficult to qualify your expectations. even if it turns out not to be a viable replacement engine for full size trucks it could prove to be an excellent choice for suvs or small to mid-size trucks. .

From : john z kerry

the same thing that motivates right-wing overly-conservative war-mongering republicans a narrow and closed mind. craig c. war-mongering i take offense to that! i run a peace loving business selling t-bone steaks. did you ever consider who hates war the most think about it and ill then discuss part two with you. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .

From : john z kerry

what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed no fair! you copied hatred. make up your own words. errrr while were at it what motivates moderate republicans conservative democrats liberal republicans moderate democrats libertarians communists socialists i am waiting with baited breath for your esteemed reply. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses what motivates my employees is more pay .

From : craig christian

an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed .

From : miles

to a point. in return for a smaller engine you may have to turn more rpm due to different gearing to accomodate the same load capacity. ok lets pretend i didnt do my homework. go look at the specs of the deutz yourself. no pretending about it you didnt do your homework. you quote ratings but im betting they are for a bare engine iow dyno numbers. the rating would likely change from what is published to a different set of numbers for a 2500 series dodge and to yet another rating if placed in a 1500 series dodge and thats simply based on drivetrain variations. the fact is you cannot simply replace six cylinder with a four cylinder and expect all to be the same just because the rating is similar. as one other post noted the torque and hp curves will be different even if the peak numbers are similar and thats just a start. id be glad to look at the specs you like so much only the deutzusa site doesnt seem to have the engine you are talking so much about. uhhh...you are spitting silliness. the bf4m2013c & bf6m2013c are both automotive engines. what more do you want when did i say everything would be the same. do you think im naive when youve finished your several years of r&d i may actually find merit to your claims. ill get right on it...hold your breath. second guessing is a way of life for us engineers. im assuming then that either the r&d doesnt mean a thing to you or youll be posting your r&d results in a few months. ....keep holding your breath... vibration doesnt rob me of fuel...what are you saying exactly sure it does. any extraneous motion lowers efficiency. larger internals to stand up to the load will lower efficiency. more degrees of revolution between firing cycles will lower efficiency to a point. so you are argueing vibration robs efficiency...ok...ill let you have that one. now you feel like a winner would deutz build an engine to produce x amount of power with moving parts that can endure only x-1 loads...hmmm...someone had better get on the phone with deutz and tell them they are about to go bankrupt ; hardly. duetz would only put the engine into applications for which it was designed. as another post noted a four cylinder diesel is great for applications requiring a constant rpm such as power generation and pumping such as water or hydraulic. the bf4m2013c was designed as an automotive engine. so.... actually a straight eight is more so...but whos splitting hairs. well you are so lets look at it a bit..... the eight has more cylinders and more moving parts as well as a crankshaft thats twice the length/weight of your much ballyhooed four cylinder. thus were back to the inline six as being the most efficient configuration. the straight eight would win based on smoothness of operation if designed correctly. if designed incorrectly it would simply have even worse vibration than the four. then maybe we are agreeing on something because it is practical. nuff said on your part. if the four was as practical as you claim it would be the mainstay of otr trucking. its not. you speak of big rigs no im not the ceo of any manufacture nor do i play one on tv. so my discussion is of personal vehicles. the other continents are flooded with small pickups with diesel four bangers. though i see all these city buses driving past my office window and they are all running on four cylinder cats....hmmm...those silly bus drivers. someone had better go tell them they are not practical and to halt their silliness ; really if so id like to see a model number on them. ....still holding your breath...can you still see the monitor or are you blacking out pretty soon you might have a truck getting 25mpg or better. i suggest that i could have that this afternoon if my foot werent so heavy. thats to me. welcome to conservative driving. now i took it for granted you were speaking of a dodge truck. if you are getting 30mpg i would really like to know your secret. wonder why i posted that i would need a sturdy set of 3.11 gears. wonder why you chose not to factor that into my arguement because the issue as stated by you was an engine swap not a drivetrain alteration as i stated previously. never said i didnt like cummins. i seek to improve what i already own. cummins make fine engines...but its a little naive to think cause chrysler chose the cummins then cummins is the best engine available ; naive no. practical yes. see most of us figure that if we wanted to redesign our trucks wed not have bought a new one. maybe cause your options are so limited. personally i wish i had more options. life liberty and the pursuit of any jackass that threatens it. embellished usnavy slogan let me guess...your a republican. wrong. what bearing does my voter registration have on this discussion just so close to the election...im getting

From : john kunkel

an easy question to answer three things 1. hatred of bush 2. hatred of bush 3. hatred of bush what motivates conservative republicans three things ignorance hatred greed i take umbrage at your painting with a broad brush i am a conservative and am not ignorant hate no one am not greedy so by making a blanket assessment such as this you have only proven yourself to be a fool. mike .

From : tbone

tbone wrote no i didnt idiot. i said it would benefit if nothing but a pulley was installed and no other adjustments made. no you didnt liar that is what i said but thanks for agreeing with me. not agreeing at all ...... my statement should have read i said it wouldnt benefit. mistake in the word but you already know that dont you numb nuts. you asked for proof that a pulley change could give 40hp no i didnt stupid ......... i ask for proof that a waste gate change would give a 40 hp increase. are you really so stupid you think no one reading these posts cant remember what they read. and i gave you a site that claimed 130+. you sure did and it was nothing but a sales pitch as you also know. now i agree with roy that other mods would probably have to be done to reach that level then why did you say hey jerry look at this and no mods are needed except a pulley change. damn you are stupid. and i already said that the engine probably would not hold up to that for long but they did not say that any other mods were required. i would think that if they claimed 130 that 40 would be easy and the site that roy pointed me to pretty much confirmed that with the claims other owners were making on there. watching you back peddle in your own crap is enjoyable. again ...... prove your statement or shut up. which one hell ill make it easy on you pick one any one. and when asked how used your truck and its reaction as an example. that seems like a comparison to me and a bad one at that. another flat out lie on your part. no it isnt. we were talking about superchargers turbochargers and the lightning. how would your diesel truck get into it unless you used it for an invalid comparison. your stupidity is really becoming mind boggling. my truck got into it because i said i know what it does if a code is set from over boost. youre the one who ask what would the lightening do if a over boost occurred. thats not a comparison dumb shit just telling you that the ecm would set a code. you think it would hell you dont know... which by default means that you were using it as a comparison to the lightning lol. thanks for proving my point for me once again. how much more desperate can you get............. to lie is one thing but to lie and know everyone knows you are lying is beyond stupid. once again .... prove it or shut up. i would but you just did it for me which either makes you the liar or a complete idiot. personally i think that its a little of both in your case. only thing you are proving is what a lying little maggot troll you are....... oh wow ...... now the troll boy is crying because he has no backing or support. name one person on here that supports or backs you..... there is none troll boy. listening to you cry is really becoming boring. lol why do i need backing or support. this is usenet not to you it isnt ............. its your entire existence. without it you have no life.... bob and i are having an intelligent conversation about a common interest. bob may be but all you are doing is bull shiting. hey youre the guy that cried about people buying things they dont need waste and greed and about people driving gas guzzlers then you admit you got yourself a truck you parked in the garage because gas cost to much. now you rant on this big home you have but dont need on all this property you dont need and now your going to run out and order a car you have never even see except for a picture. you dont even have the intelligence to be on the level of stupid. everything about you is a lying fake hell even your signature is a fake. okay asshole come back and rattle off some more of your stupid lies and bull so you can have the last word which is the only thing your simple one cell mind desires. youre simply not worth the time and energy and this thread has really become boring as is all threads you are involved in. jerry .

From : john z kerry

on thu 14 oct 2004 005334 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 13 oct 2004 220607 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote then why do you act like one lol act like what budd i forgot with you its not acting when youre an idiotic troll its just the real you peeking thru. do you mean like the old bitter failure that shows in you. hmm you never did prove i was a failure but everytime you post your insecurity shows. yes i did. i doubt that the grass cutting buisness ever existed and if it did and you were really givng your family that much money and they were still trying to collect welfare that shows what kind of stock you come from. as for the other two both failures were yours for both signing an idiotic contract and the other for not planning ahead. kind of bending over that line here arent we just getting a tad on the too personal side tom. i know budd does it too but either one of you could step back a little. ya think so i doubt that. i tried to end this weeks ago but he just refuses to let it happen. if he wants to dish it out then he had better be prepared to get it back. my offer still stands all he has to do is agree to it but we both know that it will never happen. he simply cant resist starting shit with me and he knows it. and you called jerry a pinhead come on if you want to quit the personal bs all you gotta do is quit it. clearly you dont want to. like i said if he is going to dish it out he will get it back. im not proud of it but that is the way it is. if you dont like it put me in your kill file. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : john kunkel

rush limbaugh americas truth detector. he is equal time. rush limbaugh/michael moore birds of a feather. .

From : j a m

john z kerry wrote is this all you can think of. how about an original thought every now and then that would be a fair question if it came from anyone else even jam in this forum but coming from you t-bone it is just plain funny as hell! hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha hint even jam makes valid points every so often. john z kerry president t-bone steak house im scratchin my head trying to decide if that was a compliment or not. thanks i think... jam .