Kerry Calls Cheney's Daughter a Lesbian on National TV
From : john z kerry
Q: the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. hmmmm kerry said he was a hunter and a gun owner last night at the debates wonder why the nra did not endorse kerry instead hunter my ass! kerry never met a gun control law he didnt like and that puts him to the far left out of step with mainstream gun owning americans. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses nra member .
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From : tbone
on mon 18 oct 2004 121653 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote your information on lt. dan quayle is incorrect. he was in the combat engineers of the indiana national guard and the in national guard was sufficiently under strength that he did not buy his way in. now if one item is so incorrect then maybe the rest should looked at more closely. i noticed that bush sr. and dole were not on the list... i guess mccain sp doesnt count either he was only a pow.. mccain was on the list. read it again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : john z kerry
what kind of mpg on highway and also in city can i expect with it. been a chev man for some time but liking the idea of the 5 speed auto on the 2005 over the 4 speed auto in the chevs. 2004 w/ 4500 miles city varies between 13.1 and 14.7 depending on how long i have to wait in line to get on base. got 13.8 off this last tank of gas. hwy 19.7 trip to florida w/ cruise set at 75mph - actually got over 21 mpg on one tank .
From : psmarc
on mon 18 oct 2004 172727 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote add a little bacardi sp 151 and voila! chopped t-bone flamb! -- budd to quote dan akroyd now thats good bass. beekeep .
From : john z kerry
they were not standard u had to order them with it or have it done later hi does anyone know if 1989/88 dodge trucks have standard positraction no. .
From : john z kerry
yada yada yada yada that boat sailed and sank. your anchor is chained to a coward who weaseled his way out of combat. oh my what profound comments you make! do you leftists believe everyone will buy what your dumocrat spin doctors regurgitate oh and it is the media arm of the dumocrat party otherwise known as the so called mainstream media that coined the word insurgents. is dan rather your mentor john z kerry .
From : john z kerry
a semite is a descendant of shem who was the son of noah. how many semites in the world today try most of the worlds population. a hebrew is a descendant of eber eber is one of the descendant of shem. how many hebrews in the world today try most of the worlds population. an abrahamic is a descendant of abraham who was a descendant of eber. how many abrahimics in the world today try most of the worlds population. ishmael and isaac are the sons of abraham their descendants encompass most of the israelites during the time of moses. how many people today who are descendants of the israelites well... you know the answer most of the worlds population. in short. adam - noah - shem - eber - abraham - ishmael and isaac - israelites - most of the worlds population today. note arabs are people who lived in the arabian pennisula. by that defintion moses who spent many of his years there and the israelites during their travel to the land of canaan are arabs. as for what jesus would define himself i think that he probably would proudly proclaimed that hes an adamic descendant of adam and gods servant he probably would also state that he was strengthened by the holy spirit and probably would also state that god use his body to talk and relate to the people hes jesus christ when hes in that state. .
From : miles
sorry miles but you did no such thing. you came out with one of your typical right wing comments about something that i said and when asked simply to explain it came back with one of your typical blowoff answers iow nothing of value. the only one trolling here my friend is you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone do you ever have anything to say that isnt just trolling for an argument i told you my opinion on your views on voting based on your statement. take it or leave it. tbone wrote once again you open your mouth and nothing of value comes out. .
From : tbone
miles wrote the sneed wrote with all due respect steve you could buy an assault rifle even with the ban in effect. so few that rant about the assault rifle ban not being renewed have never read the actual bill. they hear just that one title line and make baseless assumptions. that ban did very very little. most items in that ban are outlawed through other measures passed earlier. the so called assault rifle ban was passed by legislators as a symbolic gesture that they are doing something towards controlling gun problems. yes the so called ban on assault weapons actually banned semiautomatic replicas of assault weapons. unless of course you live in ca... jam .
From : tbone
j. a. m. wrote i guess you missed the reports about us soldiers refusing to go on a suicide mission some suicide mission another group completed the mission without incident. tell them they committed suicide. i think this little rag tag group of cowards will wish they had committed suicide before the dust settles. jerry .
From : john z kerry
thread. a disguised personal attack i was right in not trusting you. nope just setting the record straight. now what is this a lame excuse to justify your continued personal attacks you are a complete braindead idiot. read the freaking site if you want the answer. im not your mommy and ill not read it to you. temper budd temper. did you read it yes i did how do you think that i know that the k&n filters came on the top of the list right behind the very expensive wix nascar filters. then you read where the k$n passes more dirt and more dirt will always mean more wear. but only measuarble wear counts. can you back up these claims or are you just ranting again which is what i have said all along. you are the one that keeps throwing out the destroying word. no i didnt that would be shade tree and max. i said that the up to 1% extra dirt would probably have no measurable effect on the motor. and youd be wrong . . . . still and again. i dont think so but if you have proof otherwise... whats the matter troll-boy cant you do a little deductive reasoning for yourself more dirt equals more wear equals shorter engine life. the constant name calling does make you look quite immature. aw gee the master of name calling whining over being called what he has claimed and admitted to being. sorry budd but unlike you i did no such thing. what was that you were saying about deception as for deductive reasoning we are only talking about up too 1% more dirt and most of that miniscule increased amount of dirt will not cause any wear at all. bull. prove it. i dont have to because the k&n falls within manufacturers guidelines so they did it for me. i also said measurable wear and that is where you fail in your deductive reasoning. if it has no measurable effect over the life of the engine it simply doesnt exist. if you arent able to recognize the damage the extra dirt would cause then its the best thing that could happen to engines that you no longer work on them in a repair shop. . . iow you are no mechanic. more personal attacks budd. i see that john was right when you cant win an argument you resort to attacks and name calling. the amount of extra dirt is so small that there would be no measurable effect for the life of the motor and if you think differently prove it. i never said that the turbo wouldnt work only that it is a stupid way to regulate it. no not stupid just low buck. but then with your spend it like its water liberal attitudes youd go for the expensive way everytime. lol that is just being silly. as you have mentioned below it is being used as a bov and that is not used for regulation. pehaps you should visit a few modern sites insteat of relying on a 7 year old book. maybe you should refresh what a bov used in a blow-thru system an do . . .regulate pressure down stream from itself. with no fuel in the compressed air theres no fire danger. that is in fact not what they are used for. do a little research dude. a true bov unlike a wastegate or a pressure cap is either fully open or fully closed depending on the situation and is not used for regulation purposes. that is the job of the wastegate. its actual purpose is to release all of the pressure to prevent rapid spool down and the associated load on turbo bearings between shifts. the single radiator pressure cap being used in your example was probably a pre-cursor to the modern bov. you need to get a more current book. if the engine exhaust volume / pressure is reduced by a reduction in boost volume / pressure by way of a pressure relief cap then turbine speed is reduced. that is not true. proof here is that deductive reasoning again. if the turbo is capable of reaching speeds to produce a given boost level then venting off excess pressure will not slow it down because it didnt need the added exhaust flow to get there in the first place. what what a load of bull. no you just dont understand. first off the discussion was overspeeding not slowing the turbo. yea!! secondly if there is less volume it cannot spin the turbine at the same speed unless the flow speed increases which effectively increases the volume the turbine receives. lol complete bull and shows your true lack of understanding. please explain with your reasoning why the wastegate would ever open by your logic not only would it never open but the turbo would never produce any boost. the only way that a turbo could possibly work is for it to be able to produce more boost with a given exhaust flow off idle than it currently is. this is what allows it to spool up in the first place. i thought you said you understood turbos . . . guess it was another of your fables. no you didnt but the problem is that i do and apparently far more than you do. and then when you add the fact t
From : john z kerry
im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy i dont know what those guys are doing except taking out their frustrations. but i do know which one stirred the pot and lit the fire with his kerry kicked ass thread. it was pretty quiet until he pulled that stunt. i blame him for turning this into another pointless polictical group. 16 days until we start the election was stolen crap i cant wait - lol yea a typical conservative response blame someone else. that thread is long dead politically speaking and even if i never posted it this shit would be here just the same and if you dont believe it you are dumber than the typical extreme right wing conservative. i never even mentioned your name but here you came. thanks for the admission. yawn you specifically mention a thead that you know i started and when i respond to it say that i admitted to something. lol what an idiot. even if you never posted it it would still be here i see that you dont have all that much in the comprehention department either. i guess that is the primary reason you are backing bush. if i never posted that thread which was nothing more than a heading anyway this political crap would have started anyway. there can your mind comprehend that. what a lame excuse for your behavior. pkb no wonder you think im dumb. no that comes from your posts. anything above room temperature iq must look bad to you. how would you know you have yet to get that far. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : j a m
j. a. m. wrote deregulation does not always a positive effect on our society. true based on particular markets. gov. should get involved in very very few areas and as little as possible even in those. lets see we have deregulated the air lines public utilities savings and loans and communications. these are all that come to mind right now. all of those market sectors are not fully deregulated. they all have numerous regulations in place. .
From : j a m
roy wrote im sorta curious do any of you folks that participate in the various political threads actually believe that you will sway anybodies vote it would seem to me that if one was so enthralled with their candidate that their time would be better spent supporting that candidate through phone banks leafleting and other campaign work. i just dont understand how going back and forth with the same 2 or 3 people are advancing your candidates election bid. roy just sharpening our rhetoric. jam .
From : j a m
john z kerry wrote lol complete bs. the sexual orientation of cheneys daughter is public knowledge and mentioning it is far from an attack. you are really reaching now red. btw it did bring to mind the fact that during the vp debate when edwards blasted the president for trying to make this a constitutional amendment cheney didnt defend him on it. public knowledge yes. however until kerrys attack neither candidate had dragged the others family members into the fray. kerry was the first to drag in derogatory information about a member of his opponents family. this speaks volumes about kerrys character as if we didnt know already. the intent of kerrys attack was to shave off support in bushs base. if you were familiar with the issues and debating tactics you would understand why cheney chose not to respond to edwardss remarks about the constitutional amendment. it would be a waste of value rebuttal time since nationwide polls continually show very strong about 78% support across the nation for a constitutional amendment to protect marriage and prevent liberal activist judges from legislating from the bench by making gay marriage legal. what union are you a member of t-bone most of your rants closely resemble the standard leftist labor union propaganda. a government employee union perhaps makes me think of nteu national treasury employees union. what a bunch of communist corrupt thugs that group is! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses i think the first attack on either family was on kerry and his wife claiming that they were connected to the heinz company and were sending jobs overseas. jam .
From : john z kerry
forget about dictionary definitions of conservatism and liberalism both have morphed into something that is ugly and doesnt even resemble their origins. plain and simple the current threats to individual freedoms come from the right. you got that right. ever hear of a book written about the dumocrat party by a democrat u.s. senator by the name of zell miller i know you liberals are in denial when it comes to his book so heres the title to refresh your memory a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. big deal a conservative democrat; heres a conservative supporting kerry http//www.charlotte.com/mld/observer//opinion/9933930.htm .
From : steve carolinabreezehvac
john z kerry wrote a national party no more the conscience of a conservative democrat written by u.s. senator zell miller d-ga. bought it read it twice great book. jerry .
From : tbone
by outside the law i dont mean against the law. by definition outlaws are outside the law and as everyone knows outlaws are against the law. therefore to be outside the law is to be against it. this administration has mastered the black arts of a. deceiving without lying there can be no deception without lies or lying. deception itself is a form of lying. while deception is a form of lying it is not outright lying itself and no actual lies are needed to deceive someone. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : j a m
john kunkel wrote the nra over 4 million strong announced its endorsement of bush today. buwahahahahahahaha!!! golly gee what a surprise. next thing you know the moral majority will endorse him and if all goes well the republican party might even endorse him. some things are just too predictable. moral majority you mean the self-righteous minority dont you jam .
From : j a m
john z kerry wrote john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him i noticed that. kerry is getting alot of backlash for his statement and is squirming to get away from it. yup and looking at all the major sources today kerrys bunch has gone into the second day of spin control on this one. not good a second day of spin control by either side means lost votes. in this case theyre saying kerry has lost female votes and probably the moderate to conservative gay vote as well. kerrys dumb ass campaign manager made it even worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game on national tv. this from the party of sensitivity to gays. rotflmao! this one is gonna cost em votes big time! even funnier when you consider kerrys purpose in doing what he did. it was to upset bushs base. now it has backfired on kerry! lol! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses how do you feel about having a man that is one hart beat away for the presidency possibly supporting gay rights i havent heard cheney say anything about the subject of gay rights. jam .
From : jerry
sell your car truck boat bike and parts free on www.autosellit.com.au .
From : john z kerry
my 99 quad cab will start and run if you keep your foot on the gas but if you lift your foot to go to idle speed the engine stops. you can restart the truck but the same thing happens. either a bad battery or a bad iac motor.... the battery is the more common cause. .
From : miles
show me where in the old or new testament where war is forbidden or killing during the war is forbidden. read it in context next time. the ten commandments were rules for living given by god to the israelites. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. budd cochran wrote you might call it a good suggestion but please do not include me in your group next time. its still a commandment to me. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. today we call that a good suggestion not rules to live healthy and productive lives by or to run governments with..... christians jews and muslims all trace their root to the old testament and the ten commandments. its to bad that the commandment thou shall not kill hasnt stopped either group from killing each other by the millions. jam .
From : john z kerry
john z kerry wrote oh please save me some time. just reread your own posts. i just referred j.a.m. to his recent post about fundamentalist religious zealots a favorite liberal catch phrase for anyone who attends church and/or believes in god. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses once again you have made a lame attempt to put words in my mouth. i never said anything even remotely like that. i guess i should expect this from someone like you. attending church and/or believing in god does not make someone a fundamentalist religious zealot. attempting to force their beliefs on someone or some government does. jam btw i was raised a christian. i did thats to me. what i should expect from you is some specifics when you make these broad & sweeping accusations like religious zealots. am i safe in assuming you are a nonzealot christian i am not saying you are not a christian but most christians i know are proud to capitalize the word christian. so again who are these christian fundamentalist zealots baptists jews lutherans episcopalians assembly of god who john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : j a m
what are some of the liberal catch phrases jam how about your own words that you posted today fundamentalist religious zealots john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : j a m
actually all christians are redeemed jews. jesus was sent to redeem the jews not found a separate religion. jam geeeze! thats to me. not arguing this one with you although i dont agree. at least i see you are somewhat interested in theology and things spiritual. separate religion i dont think so but i am not qualified to dispute it. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : john z kerry
john z kerry wrote i think that fundamentalist religious zealots are the greatest threat. it doesnt matter if its christians jews or muslims fundamentalist thinking is dangerous. jam typical broad & sweeping liberal statement lacking any substance. look at your neighbors on either side of your home. they are american citizens attend church and want to see god kept in the pledge of allegiance. by your definition that makes them fundamentalist religious zealots. oh you say thats not what you mean well out with it man. where do we go look for your religious zealots our schools our factories perhaps the guy who picks up your trash he goes to a black baptist church you know. so just where should we look for these american fundamentalist religious zealots and pullllllleeeeeze spare telling me pat robertson is an example. kripes! the guy is but one man. and you say thinking is dangerous too so who are you the thought police you were just telling us that ashcroft was dangerous. hello people like you who consider thoughts dangerous are a nightmare compared to ashcroft and pat robertson. sheeeeeeesh! john z kerry president t-bone steak houses dont put works in my mouth. and get your facts right. i never said anything about ashcroft. but now that you mention it didnt he loose an election to a dead man the religious zealots that are the most dangerous are the ones that think a governments should be based on their narrow interpretation of religious scripture. they are not happy having a personal relationship with god they need to have a publicly flaunted relationship and feel they have to force everyone to adopt their religion because they know that their beliefs are the only acceptable ones. jam rubbish! look at what you said full of mysterious theys they religious zealots their etc. i am still waiting to find out exactly who all these evil people are a bunch of pronouns and name calling tells me nothing. and i wouldnt think of putting words in your mouth. you have a more than adequate supply already. you just lack substantive words. nice try but no cigar. so what college do you go to just a wild guess on my part. or perhaps you are a recent graduate with your head full of all the liberal gunk the professors filled it full of at least we know now one your sensitive nerves is theology or the so called zealots you are so afraid of. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : john z kerry
i wonder why we have never seen pictures of the burnt dead bodies of the over 13000 innocent iraqis we have killed jam ask your buddies in the media arm of the dumocrat party otherwise known as the so called mainstream media. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : j a m
saw the duck still lookin for the wabbit... mac do you have pics of the wabbit http//www.geocities.com/dpprdave/pics/duck/ -- fmb only one b in fmb .
From : roy
i drive a 94 dodge 150 cargo van with a six cylinder it has 160000 and the gas gauge does not work and it is carburetor. the tank capacity is 30 gal. usually the van goes a little over 400 miles on a full tank but recently ran out at 210 miles. i didnt think much of it at the time maybe i reset the odometer late or its simply getting real bad mileage and i have not noticed. however when i filled the tank it only took 18 gallons. i put 5 gallons in a can in the back and tested this a number of times and it seems to run out of gas between 210 and 265 miles and each time it only takes 15-20 gallons to fill. im thinking fuel filter or pump but the filter has been changed in the last 4 months and last time the filter clogged in this van it was notice under extreme fuel consumption conditions like up hills or acceleration and this is not the cas here. when the tank is full it runs perfectly. any help would be appreciated thanks rob maybe the fuel pickup line in the tank has a hole in it and it is sucking air when the fuel level gets to that point. tom .
From : roy
on tue 19 oct 2004 042115 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote kissy kissy kissy no youre not trying to start anything. oh no. and yes youre sure being mature. like you said earlier you dont try to start anything with budd do you your just out there answer answering budds questions and the old guy jumps on you for no reason right you of all people should be the last one to criticize me with the shit you used to do an still do only to me now. funny how budd can seem to say and do anything that he wants but if i say anything at all im the one in the wrong. he even admits in another thread that all he is doing is trying to get me going but thats ok for your new buddy right. well golly gee whiz tommy-troll-baby. look whos having a tantrum like a little baby. hey troll do you think it could be just as ive told you so often that you get what you give and that most of you troubles you bring on your own irresponsible self do you think people almost always think you are wrong because you almost always are wrong if you could actually come up with an origional thought you would do much better at this. why is it that everytime i call you something or refer to you as something such as being a baby you immediatly feel the need to use it. hmm . .i guess its true the truth does hurt dont it just giving you back what you give me troll. cant you think up anything on your own yeah and then you would copy them. i decided i was tired of helping you come up with put downs. youre own your own troll. if im almost always wrong why did i show your lack of knowlege in so many issues such as the turbo discussion where you finally realised that you were in error and ran away. lol you never replied to my last post in 4 days so i dont wait on idiots like you got it you arent worth it. you want to believe that i am always wrong so that you can for some reason feel better about yourself but just because you wish it doesnt make it so. if i were the only one that felt you were wrong so often this reply would make sense but since a number of others have told you the same thing that you lack mechanical skills and/or knowledge it just becomes a whine from a spoiled crybaby kicking his heels against the floor. grow-up troll-baby. tom you really gotta get a grip and stop acting like a little child everytime a point is made that hits home. like i said in my last post start accepting a little responsibility and youll have more credability around here. lol exactly what point is that. it seems that the only thing that hit home is the comment i made above since now you are back stomping your feet and acting like a baby. like i said before if you dont like what i have to say then kill file me otherwise gfy. no acting like a baby is what youre doing tom. gee are you theguy now funny how you complain when other do the very thing that you are now doing. funny isnt it that it happens to me far less than it does to you you rejoiced when theguy and i had a disagreement now weve found a subject we agree upon you are so jealous it makes you the fool. yeah thats real mature of you . . . .not! actually no i didnt and iirc you were calling him my twin and saying that we were the same person. so at the time it appeared to be so with you both saying the same things. now that he agrees with your political viewpoint and differs from mine you couldnt run fast enough to kiss up and try to be friends. hey theguy are we friends or just compatriots at arms and tom do try real hard to overcome your trollsheimers long enough to remember there have been times ive agreed with you also. was that kissing up to you no just a simple agreement on a topic. your jealousy is eating you up tom. that shows both a complete lack of self respect on your part and a true hatred of me lol. no not hatred tom pity. pity that anyone that occasionally does show signs of intelligence like you have could be so childishly stupid acting fight learning a new thing or refuse to realize he could be in error politically about his candidate and the political feelings of others. if anyone lacks self respect its you because you wont respect others and you have to respect yourself to respect others. another reason why your not as well accepted as some others in this group possibly. any port in a storm huh budd if you were just having fun with me why would you do this. answer more deception from you. because once more your half baked information about kerry the importance of each persons vote and what is so terribly wrong about g.w. is a danger to anyone that may be thinking on voting for the first time. if your idiocy stops one person from voting then you lost kerry a potential electoral vote that might have won or lost the election. but since you cant think outside the liberal agenda then you think youre doi
From : john z kerry
john z kerry wrote yes i am sick. im sick of the truth being obscured by meaningless wise cracks and lying politicians. the biggest spending presidents in the history of our nation were/are republicans. the democrats are big spenders. the republicans are big spenders. the democrats spend our money on people. the republicans spend our money on killing people. jam how long have you had this problem john z kerry president t-bone steak houses since 1982 jam .
From : j a m
john z kerry wrote kerry was in high-speed spin control all day today after calling cheneys daughter a lesbian on national tv during the debates last night. kerrys campaign manager made it worse by calling cheneys daughter fair game. of course it backfired on the dumocrats today as even members of the liberal media told kerry he stepped way over the line by attacking cheneys family. why did kerry do this it was a veiled attempt to cause division in bushs base but it too failed and bush jumped yet higher in todays polls. where is dan rather when kerry needs him john z kerry president t-bone steak houses everyone that has been paying attention for the last six months knows that cheneys daughter is a lesbian. your spinning so fast your dizzy. jam nawww dan rather his it under control. john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : tbone
cant answer any of it can you red. i didnt think so. ^^^^ be glad to give ya an answer if i could figure how i am supposed to red. is that a new dance john z kerry president t-bone steak houses .
From : theguy
wrongwrong and wrong. cheney brought it up himself weeks before when he was asked about the ammendment to the consitution. he was at as usual a selected group gung-ho dittoheads and he mentioned that his lesbian daughter had a right to whatever relationship she chose but that he had to follow his presidents lead on the ammendment. so cheney brought it up to prove how much he cares about his lesbian daughter. this despite the fact that his wife denied her daughter was a lesbian on national tv in march and that mary was not allowed up on the convention floor to stand with the rest of her family. if republicans want to say theyre anti-gay fine say it. but dont say you love your children and then deny them on television. my my you are an angry little leftist liberal. perhaps dan rather can use you on his staff once again when left without a valid point you resort to name calling. the simple fact is that cheneys daughters sexual orientation was well known
From : john kunkel
you really do like to babble dont you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving gawd troll youve been backpedaling so hard of late your about to set a new backwards land speed record. but dont stop on my account. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. if you really think so lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving failed rotflmbo!!!! ive got you spinning like a top about being a troll mr backpedal. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. but even at that he fails. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sun 17 oct 2004 234617 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote greg just dont be so sure you are. you know i like to stir t-bone up occasionally. -- budd pres. bush john kerry has changed his position on the iraq war so many times he could debate himself. b.c. and lose. stir more like trying to put him through a blender. beekeep .