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From : roy
Q: reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. .
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From : beekeep
on thu 01 mar 2007 171023 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote roy wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. that should have happened long ago but i dont think itll make much difference in the overall picture. nope walter reed has always been a dump. beekeep .
From : jon
on mar 1 418 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongodd...@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. good point. if someone knows how strong of a tie is there between the administration in charge of taking care of those in duty and the va .
From : azwiley1
on mar 1 418 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongodd...@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. good point. if someone knows how strong of a tie is there between the administration in charge of taking care of those in duty and the va not sure what you are asking here. walter reed is not a va hospital. yes it does treat vets but it does not fall under the dpet of v.a. is falls under and is funded/maintained yeah right by the dept of army. so if i am reading this correct the answer would be not a strong tie at all. the va has little to nothing to do with the care of active duty military. as an example a wounded soldier will be treated at walter reed or bethesda or malcolm grow and if discharged from the service the va picks up care for all service related disabilities. .
From : miles
roy wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. that should have happened long ago but i dont think itll make much difference in the overall picture. .
From : Annonymous
on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongoddard@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. .
From : roy
on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding lack of funding lack of preparedness lack of just about everything but patients. jon .
From : roy
on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongoddard@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. this guy that relaced him was there before and was by all accounts unresponsive to complaints as well. there are supposed to be hearing next week on this mess. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. abc said again last night that woodruff will continue his reports and investigation. seems like they have turned him loose to do it he seemed real pissed of about so hopefully he really can cut deep enough to get to those who are responsable. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. .
From : roy
on mar 1 418 pm the...@whatever.net wrote on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongodd...@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. good point. if someone knows how strong of a tie is there between the administration in charge of taking care of those in duty and the va what i remember is if you are found to have wounds serious enough you are medically discharged from the service. years ago there were enough military hospitals so that a person would stay there and rehab. a year or more was not uncommon. they tried to put the wounded in a hospital fairly close to their home so family could visit and if able to travel between operations the patient could go home on convalescent leave. after a decision was made as to what the outcome of the patient would be if he wound progress anymore or if the military hosp could offer no more in the way of treatment he would retire and move to the va. so imo the tie is very close. the va warehouse wounded vets. the guy who runs the va is a cabinet level position appointed by the president. in the case of the current one i believe he is the ex chair of the republican natl committee. what i see that has been happening is a huge number of military hospitals have been closed. the ones that are still being used are overburdened. so the conditions suck and the care sucks. it would seem that the wounded are being stabilized and being sent home for the families to care for with no support for the family. think about that for a minute. a wife with a couple of school age kids gets her husband or what was her husband back home he can barely walk or hes in a wheel chair in a home that isnt designed for a wheelchair he cant care for himself. she has to quit her job and stay at home to care for her husband. now to get treatment she has to get him to the va. well the funds have been cut for the va and they have consolidated the facilities. so the one that use to be 50 miles away is now 150 miles away. he has to be there 3 times a week for treatment. the family car has 100k on it and cant handle 1000 miles a week. money is tight cause she is no longer working bills are past due tensions are high. you can guess the rest. now comes the divorce the wife goes on welfare or maybe she is able to support herself and the kids. the vet ends up warehoused in some shit hole. thats the price that vets and their family pays in a lot of cases. thats why i am so friggin pissed about this whole situation. it was all avoidable imo. okay im off my soapbox. .
From : Annonymous
on fri 2 mar 2007 083809 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongoddard@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. this guy that relaced him was there before and was by all accounts unresponsive to complaints as well. there are supposed to be hearing next week on this mess. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. abc said again last night that woodruff will continue his reports and investigation. seems like they have turned him loose to do it he seemed real pissed of about so hopefully he really can cut deep enough to get to those who are responsable. and trust me im happy to see that they are and to see that something is happening. its just that i am very skeptical when it comes to gov. doing the right thing. i have a bit of experience with that and my trust level is really low. especially the feds. its just a cya thing. i fear that they will just do enough to get the light of day off of them and that nothing really substantive will take place. but sometimes they surprise me so i hope this is one of those times. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. .
From : vjo
turn off the liberal media and pick up a history book. please a history book isnt needed. history is happening right now. like i said geta clue. arguing with a liberal is like teaching a pig to dance - etc etc etc. im done with you. you can be done with what evever you want.that doesnt change a friggin thing. bottom line is troops went to a war became injured and are not getting the care they need. it really pisses me off and if i want somebody held accountable for this screw up call me whatever the hell ya want. yep.........that really is the bottom line. that is where we need to start. . 222 331480 0c56094532163fc0442620109c3a5d7b@localhost.talkaboutautos.com you are correct. it is a start. for now it looks like a typical militarygov. solution. let a head roll and hope that quites the nay sayers. get a new top brass and see if the team does better. .
From : roy
on fri 2 mar 2007 083809 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on 1 mar 2007 143651 -0800 jon jongoddard@gmail.com wrote on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon first it is a crying shame that it took the media to report this before anyone would do anything. they never did shit when it was just the vets complaining. makes it seem like this is all just to appease us because if they really gave a shit this would never happened in the first place. this guy that relaced him was there before and was by all accounts unresponsive to complaints as well. there are supposed to be hearing next week on this mess. but it is a first step. hopefully someone maybe the media again will dig in and find out if the head guy is just a fall guy or really to blame. abc said again last night that woodruff will continue his reports and investigation. seems like they have turned him loose to do it he seemed real pissed of about so hopefully he really can cut deep enough to get to those who are responsable. and trust me im happy to see that they are and to see that something is happening. its just that i am very skeptical when it comes to gov. doing the right thing. i have a bit of experience with that and my trust level is really low. especially the feds. its just a cya thing. i fear that they will just do enough to get the light of day off of them and that nothing really substantive will take place. but sometimes they surprise me so i hope this is one of those times. i share your lack of trust and also am a bit skeptical. one can only hope that once the ball really starts to roll changes for the better will follow. id also like to know who else was at fault and move them out of the decision process. this whole thing is a tragedy. .
From : jimbo
| snip as an example a wounded soldier will be treated at walter reed | or bethesda or malcolm grow and if discharged from the service the va | picks up care for all service related disabilities. | | and then said vet will really fall through the cracks and be dumped on... -- pcolaphil life is drawing without an eraser. .
From : jimbo
| you are correct. it is a start. for now it looks like a typical | militarygov. solution. let a head roll and hope that quites the nay | sayers. get a new top brass and see if the team does better. | more than one head has rolled over this sorry finding. the hospital cg his replacement who lasted 24 hours or so and the secy of the army. all gone gone. but what exactly is new about this exposure this crap has been going on all of my life; all 75 years of it. people serve whether volunteers or draftees do the sometimes miserable job the country expects and demands of them come back home wounded sick or disabled and they are shuffled under the rug. this country does not like to care for veterans! -- pcolaphil us army ret life is drawing without an eraser. .
From : miles
nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. .
From : beekeep
on fri 02 mar 2007 221140 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. in my younger life i was a govt contractor and worked at several va facilities. fort howard va paraplegic hospital and one in perrryville mental hospital were very well kept. most of the buildings at walter reed needed to be totally rebuilt. the naval medical center up the street was always impecable but then again thats where the president often goes. i hated going to fort howard as i saw mostly men my own age that lost limbs in nam. beekeep .
From : roy
on fri 02 mar 2007 221140 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. in my younger life i was a govt contractor and worked at several va facilities. fort howard va paraplegic hospital and one in perrryville mental hospital were very well kept. most of the buildings at walter reed needed to be totally rebuilt. the naval medical center up the street was always impecable but then again thats where the president often goes. i hated going to fort howard as i saw mostly men my own age that lost limbs in nam. i was in valley forge general a army run hospital and it was really pretty good during the year i was there. roy beekeep .
From : tbone
nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. lol complete crap. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : roy
nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. walter reed is not a va hosp. .
From : jon
on mar 1 1134 am roy r...@home.net wrote reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. no doubt someones head was going to roll but is this an issue of mis- management or chronic underfunding jon .
From : john kunkel
reuters is reporting that the head of walter reed army medical center has been relieved. there is step one. the first step should have been to fire the cic who sent these brave soldiers to be slaughtered and maimed for no good reason and then didnt followup on their treatment. the fired general is no doubt a scapegoat whose hands were tied by underfunding. .
From : azwiley1
on mar 2 1011 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. miles walter reed is not a va med center. granted your statement about the va med center is correct. .
From : azwiley1
on mar 2 932 pm jimbo noze4n...@-spamnot-earthlink.net wrote | snip as an example a wounded soldier will be treated at walter reed | or bethesda or malcolm grow and if discharged from the service the va | picks up care for all service related disabilities. | | and then said vet will really fall through the cracks and be dumped on... damn phil long time no see. how you doing yeah sorry enough your statement is very true. i guess i got lucky being a vet and working in a va hospital does seem to have an advangae. .
From : Annonymous
says... i get 21 mpg highway with my 2000 ctd. substantially better than i get with my 97 dakota 318. too bad dodge doesnt offer a small diesel in the dakota and 1500 ram. of course no one else offers a 1/2 ton diesel so why should they lack of innovation is why toyota and the other foreign manufacturers are kicking the big threes ass soon to be the little three or two. if i still had the factory rear-end gears of 3.54 instead of 3.73 that was installed i would be getting 25 mpg highway. i find that hard to believe. .
From : roy
says... i get 21 mpg highway with my 2000 ctd. substantially better than i get with my 97 dakota 318. too bad dodge doesnt offer a small diesel in the dakota and 1500 ram. of course no one else offers a 1/2 ton diesel so why should they lack of innovation is why toyota and the other foreign manufacturers are kicking the big threes ass soon to be the little three or two. if i still had the factory rear-end gears of 3.54 instead of 3.73 that was installed i would be getting 25 mpg highway. i find that hard to believe. you are welcome to go buy one yourself. .
From : azwiley1
i dont get it. did this guy drive a dodge i have a feeling that you may shortly. oh yup he drives a dodge! . 222 331718 1173299452.894083.43380@30g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on mar 7 108 pm riob...@gmail.com riob...@gmail.com wrote i dont get it. did this guy drive a dodge oh man! be nice all! to the op as a fyi this being an un-moderated group we can/do and will talk about anything we desire but will not ignore you when you ask a question. unless you post as a net nanny would .
From : jimbo
im in this site most evenings for short periods but since i sold the ram & fifth wheel following hurricane ivan i mostly just drop in and check out what the topics for discussion are. i was in the va system from jan 73 until about 02 i have had some disagreeable times with the system and ended up dropping out except for hearing aids. i now am handled by the navy hospital here in pensacola except for a few things eyes and uro system which i do with medicare/tfl and ears with the local va clinic. the va is trying something new here in that they are building a 225000 sq ft clinic and it is being co-located on site with the navy hospital. as a joint effort va patients and some active duty navy personnel will be seen in the clinic and if care is needed in excess to what the clinic can handle the hospital will pick up the case va or active duty navy. it sounds good but the clinic wont open until around mid-2008 and then we will see how well it works; if i remain in pensacola. but i will say one thing for certain getting old sucks! -- pcolaphil life is drawing without an eraser. | on mar 2 932 pm jimbo noze4n...@-spamnot-earthlink.net wrote | | | | snip | | as an example a wounded soldier will be treated at walter reed | | or bethesda or malcolm grow and if discharged from the service | the va | | picks up care for all service related disabilities. | | | | | | and then said vet will really fall through the cracks and be dumped | on... | | | damn phil long time no see. how you doing | | yeah sorry enough your statement is very true. i guess i got lucky | being a vet and working in a va hospital does seem to have an advangae. | .
From : roy
im in this site most evenings for short periods but since i sold the ram & fifth wheel following hurricane ivan i mostly just drop in and check out what the topics for discussion are. i was in the va system from jan 73 until about 02 i have had some disagreeable times with the system and ended up dropping out except for hearing aids. i now am handled by the navy hospital here in pensacola except for a few things eyes and uro system which i do with medicare/tfl and ears with the local va clinic. the va is trying something new here in that they are building a 225000 sq ft clinic and it is being co-located on site with the navy hospital. as a joint effort va patients and some active duty navy personnel will be seen in the clinic and if care is needed in excess to what the clinic can handle the hospital will pick up the case va or active duty navy. it sounds good but the clinic wont open until around mid-2008 and then we will see how well it works; if i remain in pensacola. but i will say one thing for certain getting old sucks! -- phil ill take a guess and figure you have used tricare. i will begin useing it as my primary until 65. have you had problems with it roy pcolaphil life is drawing without an eraser. | on mar 2 932 pm jimbo noze4n...@-spamnot-earthlink.net wrote | | | | snip | | as an example a wounded soldier will be treated at walter reed | | or bethesda or malcolm grow and if discharged from the service | the va | | picks up care for all service related disabilities. | | | | | | and then said vet will really fall through the cracks and be dumped | on... | | | damn phil long time no see. how you doing | | yeah sorry enough your statement is very true. i guess i got lucky | being a vet and working in a va hospital does seem to have an advangae. | .
From : miles
tbone wrote nope walter reed has always been a dump. most va medical centers are. welcome to socialized medicine. lol complete crap. what you call crap is a large part of the problem. socialized medicine does not provide a driving force to improve. it would be nice if that werent the case but reality isnt crap. socialized medicine does not work anywhere in the world its been tried. at best they have to rely on the massive $s poured into r&d from the usa rather than contribute anywheres near the same level to keep improving. take that away and the impact will be felt here as well as abroad. like it or not money is what drives the industry to improve itself. .