If Ford had Cummins?

From : mac davis

Q: would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both i didnt buy a dodge i bought a cummins. when chrysler replaces the cummins with a mercedes ill have a new king ranch cummins. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

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From : nathan in montana

just for the hell of it and to learn about peoples mindset. do you think gb is doing a good job as president try to answer with out the usual bs. who am i kiddingg roy .

From : max dodge

seems like that high a figure would or certainly should trigger a recall on the parts or at least an extension of the warranty for that part. ......so would you think nearly 1 in 5 is enough to justify my rampant label -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

i was hoping that was the case. thanks a lot. bill is the model number of the auto trans 47re whatever shown on the transmission somewhere or was only one model used for this truck only one model - you have a 47re .

From : max dodge

nate i cant keep up with you and trucks. nor can i. - did you buy the truck new no i bought it a couple days before the pump was repaced. i have no way of knowing if it was the first or fifth failure. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

through. does anyone know fi the dodge qc has anything like this cant seem to find a pic in the service manual nor a mention mof anything but im puzzled as to where this water would have come from. no ventt back there. check the seal around the third brake light. thats a common entry point for water. .

From : tom lawrence

on sun 15 oct 2006 211241 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both mopar or no car! mike even if ferd had heated seats mac damn mac... yer makin it tough... ;^ mike https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : chris thompson

ford has had the cummins in the 450 and up models for some time. f-650 and up... never offered in the 450/550 due to dcs exclusivity contract w/ cummins .

From : tom lawrence

do i understand correctly you changed out a lp that was at the time showing 15psi. at idle if so why i read it as it was 15psi when new but slowly dropped to 5psi which is when/why he changed it. .

From : nathan in montana

nate youre rounding up 17% is more like 1 in 6. ok 1 in 5.88........ill go with that. - ......course i think well be doing good to get max to own up to 1 in 1000. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

anyone know offhand what the max tongue weight is for 03 ram 3500 2 door dually 500 on the bumper 1200 on the receiver .

From : ignoramus16814

i love my dodge fifth one i would never purchase a ford even if it had a cummins in it. andy i unfortunately find myself in need or great want of a 3/4 ton diesel pu. after test driving i like the dodge first then the ford and a distant third is the gmc. scratch the gmc. ford is suspect because of the psd problems. cummins is my first choice but then im stuck with a dodge. i see many of you folks love your cummins but arent particularly thrilled with the dodge. what is it that makes you want a ford with a cummins in it i think the basic look of the dodge with the huge chrome grill is gaudy but i can get past looks for a dependable truck. does everything else on the dodge except the engine fall apart bb .

From : andy

i would like to see the mb diesel in the dakota that would be a positive for that line in my opinion. but who cares what i think andy did i miss something here you make it sound like this is a done deal mb to replace cummins my understanding is that the cummins contract expires in 2010 and that at that point dodge will switch over to the mercedes engine. this is certainly in keeping with the goals of daimler cross platform designs showing up particularly in the jeep lineup. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : jbohren

on mon 30 oct 2006 200816 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on mon 30 oct 2006 194216 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote here ya go my wide ride buddy. monday night are ya ready for some football!!! pats at minn. get on the wagon for petes sake!! desert your call! roy roy you may step on it on this one. minn is playing very good football right now. the pats................well they are playing football anyway. hell i usually jump in it. they seem to be a pretty good match up although the pats have a better record. brady seems to do what he does each year. he gets better every game as does the whole team. should be a good game imo. r i admit brady is a great athlete. i just dont think that this has been his best year. well see shortly. yup we saw. you are correct the pats are playing football at a heck of a level .

From : andy

i agree....i use this statement myself my first truck was a chevy...thats why i drive a dodge now. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels good luck with your cheby. had a few still like my dodge better. sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. i want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making various repairs to this truck over the years. i want to wish luck to all present owners of chrysler products. i .

From : roy

i have a 2001 ram 2500 ctd now and im looking to get a used 3500 ctd shooting for maybe a 2002 or 2003. anything particular in those years to avoid etc. my 01 has been ok except for replacing the evaporator coil and a little glitchy on some electrical issues. thanks bill .

From : roy

nate i cant keep up with you and trucks. nor can i. - did you buy the truck new no i bought it a couple days before the pump was repaced. i have no way of knowing if it was the first or fifth failure. kinda makes ya stop and wonder dont it. roy nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : Annonymous

on fri 20 oct 2006 225238 gmt bill allemann custom4173@sbcglobal.netinvalid wrote good compared to what bill just for the hell of it and to learn about peoples mindset. do you think gb is doing a good job as president try to answer with out the usual bs. who am i kiddingg roy internal policies-- not too good. his tax policies and his domestic policies have been too conservative even for me. not a terrible job just nothing that deserves real kudos imo. he definately has a favor for big oil and the lack of any constraint on the oil industry is hard to watch. record profits while we pay record high prices. as to his foreign policy i will probably be the outcast with this opinion but i respect what he has done. again i dont expect this to be a real popular stance but i appreciate that he has had the will to fight the terrorists on their own ground instead of on ours. anyone who thinks that we could have avoided this conflict with the islamic extremists doesnt have their feet firmly planted on the ground. and there is no doubt but that the goal was to bring the death and destruction to american soil and we have been able to counter that threat so far. we have every right to protect ourselves and our country and i think that he is one of the few with the willingness to see this through. at least so far. the terrorists have learned from the vietnamese that the way to beat america is not on the battlefield but rather in the papers and they are in this for the long stay. .

From : nathan in montana

where are you guys getting this failure rate at 100000 the friggin things were dropping like flies between 12000-20000 miles before dc changed them. the failure rate quoted by the cummins article claimed a 17% failure rate within the warranty period. the warranty period is 100000 miles. thus the failure rate included lps that would have failed for reasons other than the vibration problem that caused the early failures. comes to mind if a truck has 23 or 4 failures id venture that they count it as 1 failure as it occured in the same unit. roy max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on thu 19 oct 2006 210536 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote this would be working under the assumption that most of them failed closer to the 100000 mark like mine did. according to roy the average was around 12000 miles i think. lets say of the 1 in 5.88 failures that 80% of them were under 50000 miles. would it still be acceptable nate im not saying it is acceptable i just think that max has a good point. i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. i understand. the problem for me is what is a normal failure rate it seems that even if you stretch the mileage out to 100000 one in 5 seems high but i have no friggin clue as to what a normal failure rate would be. i sure hope it is less than 1 in 5 but i dont know. i mean i hope that engineers can design a lp that would last over 100000 miles. if they told you when you bought your diesel that you had a 20% chance of getting stuck alongside the road at some point by the 100000 mile mark would you buy it im not sure i would. i plan to put well over a 100000 miles on my diesel but i didnt plan on rolling the dice with 20% odds against me that i would get stuck somewhere with an engine shutdown. i bet the 03 and above failure rate is way under that. and even at 100000 miles is 20% failure something that dc should have blown off if so they stand to lose a lot of customers. where are you guys getting this failure rate at 100000 the friggin things were dropping like flies between 12000-20000 miles before dc changed them. that is why a fuel pressure gauge was so damn important so you could catch it before ya lost the i pump. in 100000 miles you could go through a few of them. when i sold my 2k two had been changed out. the third was a new # and if i remember the truck had about 65 maybe 70k when i sold it.on it. oh there was one behind the seat as well. you guys can call it rampant wide spread or apple pie. it sucked and dc sucks for letting it continue for so long. but it is moot now. roy roy .

From : roy

is the model number of the auto trans 47re whatever shown on the transmission somewhere or was only one model used for this truck only one model - you have a 47re .

From : nathan in montana

where are you guys getting this failure rate at 100000 the friggin things were dropping like flies between 12000-20000 miles before dc changed them. this is my understanding as well that the normal failure rate was as you suggest and that i was lucky that mine lasted to nearly 100000 miles. i want to get hard numbers together to encourage honest responses to my charges. nate i cant keep up with you and trucks. did you buy the truck new roy nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

go to lunds website http//www.lundlook.com . just look up whatever vehicle you have. .

From : max dodge

yup you got it. do i understand correctly you changed out a lp that was at the time showing 15psi. at idle if so why i read it as it was 15psi when new but slowly dropped to 5psi which is when/why he changed it. .

From : luke

mike simmons wrote i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. well i am ahem somewhat familiar with leather seats and you might look around at some boneyards but as another poster alluded to katzskins make a very nice replacement cover that is pretty competitive pricewise and of very good quality. in fl there probably isnt much value in heated seats cant believe i said that! but up here where the frost is frequently on the punkin they are surely nice... my comrades comments notwithstanding. do a google search for katzskins or katzkins and you will get more info. mike i am interested in upgrading to power leather seats in my 96 ram 1500 sport. the fabric on the drivers seat is torn. it is an extended cab so the front seats will need to fold forward to allow passengers to get the rear seat. what other years/models can i get the seat from that wont end up being a nightmare to install does anyone know what other options there are for the rear seat for the 96 i have seen some other pickups with a split rear seat. any good sources for aftermarket or wrecking yards my local wrecking yards are not interested in seats. all the seats have been exposd to the rain and snow. thanks. 1997 was the first year for leather seats in the dodge truck one color only camel was it. heat didnt come around until 1998 theres only the one rear seat for your year ram and youve got it. earlier pre 94 trucks had jump seats. .

From : roy

mike simmons wrote i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. well i am ahem somewhat familiar with leather seats and you might look around at some boneyards but as another poster alluded to katzskins make a very nice replacement cover that is pretty competitive pricewise and of very good quality. in fl there probably isnt much value in heated seats cant believe i said that! but up here where the frost is frequently on the punkin they are surely nice... my comrades comments notwithstanding. do a google search for katzskins or katzkins and you will get more info. mike i am interested in upgrading to power leather seats in my 96 ram 1500 sport. the fabric on the drivers seat is torn. it is an extended cab so the front seats will need to fold forward to allow passengers to get the rear seat. what other years/models can i get the seat from that wont end up being a nightmare to install does anyone know what other options there are for the rear seat for the 96 i have seen some other pickups with a split rear seat. any good sources for aftermarket or wrecking yards my local wrecking yards are not interested in seats. all the seats have been exposd to the rain and snow. thanks. .

From : Annonymous

on thu 19 oct 2006 210536 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote this would be working under the assumption that most of them failed closer to the 100000 mark like mine did. according to roy the average was around 12000 miles i think. lets say of the 1 in 5.88 failures that 80% of them were under 50000 miles. would it still be acceptable nate im not saying it is acceptable i just think that max has a good point. i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. i understand. the problem for me is what is a normal failure rate it seems that even if you stretch the mileage out to 100000 one in 5 seems high but i have no friggin clue as to what a normal failure rate would be. i sure hope it is less than 1 in 5 but i dont know. i mean i hope that engineers can design a lp that would last over 100000 miles. if they told you when you bought your diesel that you had a 20% chance of getting stuck alongside the road at some point by the 100000 mile mark would you buy it im not sure i would. i plan to put well over a 100000 miles on my diesel but i didnt plan on rolling the dice with 20% odds against me that i would get stuck somewhere with an engine shutdown. i bet the 03 and above failure rate is way under that. and even at 100000 miles is 20% failure something that dc should have blown off if so they stand to lose a lot of customers. where are you guys getting this failure rate at 100000 the friggin things were dropping like flies between 12000-20000 miles before dc changed them. that is why a fuel pressure gauge was so damn important so you could catch it before ya lost the i pump. in 100000 miles you could go through a few of them. when i sold my 2k two had been changed out. the third was a new # and if i remember the truck had about 65 maybe 70k when i sold it.on it. oh there was one behind the seat as well. you guys can call it rampant wide spread or apple pie. it sucked and dc sucks for letting it continue for so long. but it is moot now. roy roy .

From : Annonymous

why not contact american axle and see what they say about it -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author im wondering if i should consider swapping in an f450/f550 front axle. deja vu all over again huh .

From : luke

how do you do i have a blog abount racing cars and reviews. it can be accessed via http//drivechannel.blogspot.com/ you are welcome! any suggestions are appreciated. .

From : tom lawrence

i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. .

From : nathan in montana

no i didnt read the last 56 post of it.............. mine. 98.5 qc 2500 24valve 5spd. stock except for a mechanical fuel pressure guage. i bought the truck with 143000kms on it changed the lift pump at about 150000. fp went from a soild 15psi at lide to 5psi when i swapped it out. now 160000kms.........im getting a p0216 code...............nice. .

From : max dodge

find actual stats and ill consider changing my opinion. no you wont....but thats cool. i still love ya buddy. - .......er id buy you a beer and shoot a game or two of pool with you anyway. its been fun till next time. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

on fri 20 oct 2006 035909 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. im not saying its acceptable im saying its inevitable.... mechanical things fail. the number of failures must be compared to the longevity and the number of units in service as well as the same figures from other designs. not doing so leaves huge gaps in the information provided by a single number. is it inevitable not trying to be a smart ass i really wonder. this is interesting. do you think that 1 out of 5 dodge diesel rams break down and leave the owner stranded within the first 100000 miles that may be the case but it would concern me. those are not good odds. do you think that excluding all lp failures that there is a 20% failure rate of the trucks in the first 100000 miles that leaves the driver stranded if so the odds of a bad failure are one heck of a lot higher than i ever dreamed of i mean that would be 20% for lp and 20% for all other reasons which would be around 40%. if not then the lp causes more failures than all other things combined and that sucks in itself when you consider the way dc denied lp problems and layed it off on bad fuel and bombing. that would just put us back to the original point dc really did drop the ball with the lp problem and the customers should be pissed! my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. betting and proven as fact is the difference between assumption and logical conclusion. .

From : max dodge

reh wrote i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. i decided to build my own which isnt as hard as it sounds if you have some good contacts. i picked up a used normal seat from a boneyard to put in my truck while i played around with making the patterns. it let my truck look and feel normal while i screwed around with the project so you take your old seat out take off the old fabric cover. have some pliers handy to remove the steel rings turn the cover inside out. number each piece and take a quick snapshot with a camera. have a stitch remover handy and take apart all the seams. lay them all out and with some pattern making paper purchased from your local fabric store lay the pieces out on the paper add a tiny bit extra quarter inch all the way around and trace out each piece. next you also need sewing padding its like foam with fabric on it - you can get it from a fabric store as well. it goes on the underside of the leather from here you either get someone with a strong machine to sew it or bring it over to an upholstery place and have them do it. generally you either need a really strong sewing machine or a special leather sewing machine to do the job. they use special strong needles - aside from their hd motors anything else will just break. next theres this special new style heating element you can buy it looks exactly like fabric except that its made up of / covered in special conductive material. theres also a device that will supply the current to it which you will need to purchase. definitely the best route to take for heating as it takes up zero space. and yes you want the heating element! there is nothing like heated leather seats especially if you suffer from the occasional stiff back.. its like... very nice.. if you decide to take it to the next level you may want to visit your local mattress store and ask them to order you some high density foam to put inside. they can order it in any thickness and pre cut etc. - id personally recommend not going over 1 inch thickness. because.. doing this means changing the pattern to be larger.. which requires some brain power and tweaking.. and stress. i bought the 3 inch foam.. and pattern-making was a nightmare. oh one last thing be careful not to stretch the leather too tight.. it dont like being stretched be modest james .

From : max dodge

my truck is an 05 bighorn dually. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html the 01.5 was the lift pump failure but not the truck im concerned with overloading the front on. yup you got one of the overweight increased coefficient of drag units. i still say the 94-02 body and the 00-02 diesel are the best choices -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author again im just reporting numbers. plenty of room left for a plow is a bit of an over-statement at least for the current trucks. nates concerns over the weight on his front axle seem legitimate. it looked to be an 02 so he should be looking at similar weighhts to mine and since the 02 had a plow option..... my truck is an 05 bighorn dually. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html the 01.5 was the lift pump failure but not the truck im concerned with overloading the front on. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

on fri 20 oct 2006 032359 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote through. does anyone know fi the dodge qc has anything like this cant seem to find a pic in the service manual nor a mention mof anything but im puzzled as to where this water would have come from. no ventt back there. check the seal around the third brake light. thats a common entry point for water. ill do that - thanks tom! .

From : nathan in montana

on smaller japanese trucks that ive had some of them had a vent in the back of the cab hidden by the bed. i discovered some water under the passenger rear seat - in the sunken area and above that by the hinges. not sure where it would have come from - it has rained a lot recently and i may have had a window opened but didnt see any evidence of this on the seat itself. i also may have had a bottled water under there that leaked - not positive. anyway other smaller trucks ive owned have had a vent in the rear cab wall - sort of a one-way thing to allow fresh air to circulate through. does anyone know fi the dodge qc has anything like this cant seem to find a pic in the service manual nor a mention mof anything but im puzzled as to where this water would have come from. .

From : nathan in montana

i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. im not saying its acceptable im saying its inevitable.... mechanical things fail. the number of failures must be compared to the longevity and the number of units in service as well as the same figures from other designs. not doing so leaves huge gaps in the information provided by a single number. my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. betting and proven as fact is the difference between assumption and logical conclusion. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author this would be working under the assumption that most of them failed closer to the 100000 mark like mine did. according to roy the average was around 12000 miles i think. lets say of the 1 in 5.88 failures that 80% of them were under 50000 miles. would it still be acceptable nate im not saying it is acceptable i just think that max has a good point. i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

again im just reporting numbers. plenty of room left for a plow is a bit of an over-statement at least for the current trucks. nates concerns over the weight on his front axle seem legitimate. it looked to be an 02 so he should be looking at similar weighhts to mine and since the 02 had a plow option..... my truck is an 05 bighorn dually. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html the 01.5 was the lift pump failure but not the truck im concerned with overloading the front on. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : Annonymous

this would be working under the assumption that most of them failed closer to the 100000 mark like mine did. according to roy the average was around 12000 miles i think. lets say of the 1 in 5.88 failures that 80% of them were under 50000 miles. would it still be acceptable nate im not saying it is acceptable i just think that max has a good point. i understand exactly what you mean and im not criticizing you for it. maxs assumption is that failure is acceptable since they are going to the 100000 mile mark. my point is how acceptable or normal is it if the majority of the failures happen below 50000 miles which im betting is the generous norm based on what ive read from several sources. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

on thu 19 oct 2006 192338 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote what bothers me about the stats we do have is that they are intentionally vague. something that is lost on at least one person here. 17% failure rate over the warranty period means its over 100000 miles. i dont know about you but having less that 1 in 5 fail in 100000 miles isnt terrible. i hadnt thought of that but that is a good point. this would be working under the assumption that most of them failed closer to the 100000 mark like mine did. according to roy the average was around 12000 miles i think. lets say of the 1 in 5.88 failures that 80% of them were under 50000 miles. would it still be acceptable nate im not saying it is acceptable i just think that max has a good point. there is a lot of good info that we dont know yet that has a bearing on the subject. im not trying to spin it good or bad......the facts or the truth about it will determine that........the more info facts that we have the more accurate the final analysis. i think that we have pretty well established that dc customer service blew this big time and really did a un service to their customers no matter what the failure rate was. now i am just curious as to the real extent of the problem or failure itself. i remember a lot of people back then crying cover up on the part of dc and a lot of us telling them they were imagining things. lokks like a lot of us may have been wrong but id like more info. thats all im saying. .

From : roy

hello everyone i figure this only reaches the same 10 people who post here but i hope this is appropriate for the forum ive got a mostly complete powerdyne supercharger bd-11a 6 psi polished housing setup for a magnum-series 318 or 360. everything was purchased used and it comes with a brand new walbro 255 lph inline pump -- all you need to set it up is a few feet of fuel tubing a handful of fittings a safety shut-off switch i cant be bothered to remove the one i plumbed $10 a few feet of wire the ability to read instructions and about half a day. all major components and ductwork are included. i have the required intake hat for ram trucks but youll need the dakota/durango hold-down if you go with the ram. i do not have any aftermarket boost-retard unit available. if youre looking to roast some tires down youve found a solid answer....no vornado....but i decided im no longer interested in pushing my luck on my driver. i never installed it on my truck but the compressor spins smooth enough that you can feel each cog on the belt mating to its groove and departing....im looking to get out for what ive got in the assembly -- a solid deal at a grand. willing to ship...so talk it around or make your ride ready for the green light boogie. pictures at http//picasaweb.google.com/jongoddard/powerdynesupercharger .

From : roy

on thu 19 oct 2006 040021 +0000 tom lawrence wrote if i have the air conditioner or interior fan on when the engine is cold - it pulls the idle down low. sometimes idle looks like it might be as low as 200 rpm on the tack. when it gets like this its easy to stall out. when this happens if you give it a little fuel will the engine speed increase or is the pedal essentially dead it fully responds to the gas pedal. the problem goes away after putting it in drive and giving it fuel - that is if it doesnt stall out first. .

From : tom lawrence

really dont need the heated ones down here in florida but would really like to have some leather seats. the ulpholestry is wearing up front. i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. you mean the heated ones mikes the expert on those... i saw this and thought nah let it go. but i bet oltoasty ass can give the op a few tips.bg roy okay got it. i think all the 02s with leather were heated from the factory. ive heard a company like katzkins sp somebody help makes very nice leather replacement seat covers without the heat. .

From : tom lawrence

really dont need the heated ones down here in florida but would really like to have some leather seats. the ulpholestry is wearing up front. i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. you mean the heated ones mikes the expert on those... i saw this and thought nah let it go. but i bet oltoasty ass can give the op a few tips.bg roy .

From : tom lawrence

what is memorable with the lp is when it failed you couldnt go to the dealer and get one put on. because dc was sitting on the damn things. nor could you go to your local napa and pick one up. not to mention that when a gas engines fuel pump failed the car stopped. when the 2nd gen lps failed the engine also stopped but by the time it did a $2k injection pump was wrecked as well. think about it in those terms.... what else could fail and produce as much damage dollar-wise timing belt on an interference engine thats why they have regular maintenance intervals. .

From : roy

whats the total weight of the truck not gvrw but dry weight about 7100lbs. well figure this....that axle was originally rated at 3800 or so and the rating changed without any real change in design if any at all. plus the 01s and 02s had a cummins w/plow option iirc. again im just reporting numbers. plenty of room left for a plow is a bit of an over-statement at least for the current trucks. nates concerns over the weight on his front axle seem legitimate. .

From : bigironram

i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. you mean the heated ones mikes the expert on those... i saw this and thought nah let it go. but i bet oltoasty ass can give the op a few tips.bg roy .

From : max dodge

i have a 02 ram qc and would like to put in leather seats. thought about going to the local salvage yard to see if any wrecked rams but before i do i would like any info ideas from our group. thanks. you mean the heated ones mikes the expert on those... .

From : max dodge

on thu 19 oct 2006 050233 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote dguy im not arguing that the problem doesnt exist or that nate and roy et al dont have a reasonable complaint. but the opinion is that the lp is a fuck up of dc. simply put its not. is it a problem yup. is it rampant no. but 17% failure over 100000 miles sure 17% sounds like a lot and if it was on a 30000 mile period it would be. but its not. its on a mileage that most vehicles dont see on the first owner let alone under warranty. in my opinion the failure here isnt the lp itself but the way dc handled the warranty on that lift pump. that may be right on the mark max. i agree as well. everybody has problems its how you handle them that sets you apart. as i noted somewhere else in this thread cummins is taking care of their customers dodge is weaseling. thats what bothers me about the whole thing. .

From : roy

the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. -- max isnt that with the snow plow package i thought the regualar rating was 4800 or 4850 .

From : roy

the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. ok im not being argumentative here. please explain that as tires are unsprung weight. the weight rating on the tires not the truck. tires below range e wouldnt be up to the task. i think my tires are at 3400lbs capacity which means the axle rating 5200 is less than the tire rating at 6000+ capacity. ive never weighed my truck to see what is actually getting to the front end but it does create some question due to the paper in my truck about slide in campers. it doesnt concern me to much since since my trailer has over 1000 pounds of tongue weight when loaded which should lighten the front end of the truck at least a little but i would like to build a large basket off my winch bumper to hold the generator for my camper.....but i dont know if that would push the front axle rating or not. my generator is nearly 200 pounds plus the weight of the basket to secure it another 100 pounds or so. does it weigh more than a plow if not no worries. do you have the plow springs in the truck if so no worries. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. ok im not being argumentative here. please explain that as tires are unsprung weight. the weight rating on the tires not the truck. tires below range e wouldnt be up to the task. i think my tires are at 3400lbs capacity which means the axle rating 5200 is less than the tire rating at 6000+ capacity. ive never weighed my truck to see what is actually getting to the front end but it does create some question due to the paper in my truck about slide in campers. it doesnt concern me to much since since my trailer has over 1000 pounds of tongue weight when loaded which should lighten the front end of the truck at least a little but i would like to build a large basket off my winch bumper to hold the generator for my camper.....but i dont know if that would push the front axle rating or not. my generator is nearly 200 pounds plus the weight of the basket to secure it another 100 pounds or so. does it weigh more than a plow do you have the plow springs in the truck -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : bigironram

blueeyeddevil wrote on tue 17 oct 2006 114801 -0700 john kunkel nobody@nowhere.net wrote i do have another question most of my driving is short trips of a few miles or less on surface streets at 30 mph or less. maybe 5% of my driving is on the highway. would these frequent short trips have a deleterious effect on my transmission i would say that the more your transmission shifts the sooner parts will wear out. so yes things are more likely to go wrong sooner if you do a lot of short trips with stopping and starting hence more gear shifting than if you drive mostly at highway speeds where the transmission does significantly less shifting. also the harder you accelerate the worse it is on your drivetrain in general not what you asked but possibly helpful anyway. .

From : bigironram

what bothers me about the stats we do have is that they are intentionally vague. something that is lost on at least one person here. 17% failure rate over the warranty period means its over 100000 miles. i dont know about you but having less that 1 in 5 fail in 100000 miles isnt terrible. id like to know what the failure rate of a mechanical pump on the small block mopars would be over 100000 miles. i can personally attest to installing at least one on my old dart in the 100000 ive driven it. i cant remember how many weve put on the 63 in its 200000+ miles. id bet its more than three. that figure would be interesting to know. i put 300000 plus miles on my 82 ramcharger 318 engine i remember one pump that failed and put me on the side of the road. there could have been another i just cant remember...if there were they didnt leave me on the road those are memorable. what is memorable with the lp is when it failed you couldnt go to the dealer and get one put on. because dc was sitting on the damn things. nor could you go to your local napa and pick one up. roy .

From : bigironram

what bothers me about the stats we do have is that they are intentionally vague. something that is lost on at least one person here. 17% failure rate over the warranty period means its over 100000 miles. i dont know about you but having less that 1 in 5 fail in 100000 miles isnt terrible. id like to know what the failure rate of a mechanical pump on the small block mopars would be over 100000 miles. i can personally attest to installing at least one on my old dart in the 100000 ive driven it. i cant remember how many weve put on the 63 in its 200000+ miles. id bet its more than three. that figure would be interesting to know. i put 300000 plus miles on my 82 ramcharger 318 engine i remember one pump that failed and put me on the side of the road. there could have been another i just cant remember...if there were they didnt leave me on the road those are memorable. twice it left me standed once a fuel pump once when it was nearly new about 4000 miles it left me on i-55 in the missouri bootheel well south of sikeston. i got to a phone they sent a wrecker got to the dealer and they had the ignition module replaced before the wrecker had time to get unhooked. pretty slick. .

From : Annonymous

the dealer wasnt ever involved with this truck so they have no influence at all. it was all dc. remember i bought this one used but it was still well within the warranty period. i also bought mine used with well over 99800 miles on it. i drove it from bozeman to billings and around town a little and then straight to the dealership to find out what the trouble was because the warranty was so close to expiring. i didnt know theyd weasel out of the full cost. how is that normally handled i mean is it ok to have an independent fix it under warranty as ive always heard it it wasnt ever a problem in the past. i think weaseling out of the full repair cost in something new because when it happened to me was the first time id ever heard of it. forewarned is forearmed. .

From : Annonymous

max i think issue with the pump was the placement of it which was done by dc. there was a article yup another one a few years ago that went on and on about who was really at fault. it all had to do with failures downstream from a failed pump regards who owned the claim. its out there somewhere but i gotta tell ya at this stage the gettin aint worth the goin roy agreed. my point was not that there was no problem; its clear there is a problem and i never stated otherwise despite the misinterpretation of some. calling it rampant... well its just not so. as to the sources my point is that no one actually publishes a reliable failure rate except nhtsa if they take enough of an interest and its a safety issue. thus again there is a problem with calling something rampant when the facts indicate otherwise. i dont think that they get involved unless it is a safty issue. what bothers me about the stats we do have is that they are intentionally vague. something that is lost on at least one person here. 17% failure rate over the warranty period means its over 100000 miles. i dont know about you but having less that 1 in 5 fail in 100000 miles isnt terrible. what would be helpful is a build number. also if 17% is a intentionally vague number... it could well be beyond 20%. it has been my experience that when numbers are vague things are usually much worse. roy id like to know what the failure rate of a mechanical pump on the small block mopars would be over 100000 miles. i can personally attest to installing at least one on my old dart in the 100000 ive driven it. i cant remember how many weve put on the 63 in its 200000+ miles. id bet its more than three. all of this is lost on someone like joe sixpack because hes only interested in his truck not the actual facts over thousands of trucks. as to whose fault is was... well thats anyones guess. clearly the claim that cummins trucks are selling the brand while at the same time failing at rampant rates is some sort of conflicting conclusion. but ive come to expect this. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max i think issue with the pump was the placement of it which was done by dc. there was a article yup another one a few years ago that went on and on about who was really at fault. it all had to do with failures downstream from a failed pump regards who owned the claim. its out there somewhere but i gotta tell ya at this stage the gettin aint worth the goin roy .

From : Annonymous

on thu 19 oct 2006 050233 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote dguy im not arguing that the problem doesnt exist or that nate and roy et al dont have a reasonable complaint. but the opinion is that the lp is a fuck up of dc. simply put its not. is it a problem yup. is it rampant no. but 17% failure over 100000 miles sure 17% sounds like a lot and if it was on a 30000 mile period it would be. but its not. its on a mileage that most vehicles dont see on the first owner let alone under warranty. in my opinion the failure here isnt the lp itself but the way dc handled the warranty on that lift pump. that may be right on the mark max. yet the big list of dcs failures didnt mention its warranty claim problems or five star farce in some dealerships. but nate wants to argue semantics to cover his lack of facts stats and logic. but even the semantics and definitions dont prove him right. .

From : roy

on thu 19 oct 2006 041819 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote max i think issue with the pump was the placement of it which was done by dc. there was a article yup another one a few years ago that went on and on about who was really at fault. it all had to do with failures downstream from a failed pump regards who owned the claim. its out there somewhere but i gotta tell ya at this stage the gettin aint worth the goin roy agreed. my point was not that there was no problem; its clear there is a problem and i never stated otherwise despite the misinterpretation of some. calling it rampant... well its just not so. as to the sources my point is that no one actually publishes a reliable failure rate except nhtsa if they take enough of an interest and its a safety issue. thus again there is a problem with calling something rampant when the facts indicate otherwise. what bothers me about the stats we do have is that they are intentionally vague. something that is lost on at least one person here. 17% failure rate over the warranty period means its over 100000 miles. i dont know about you but having less that 1 in 5 fail in 100000 miles isnt terrible. i hadnt thought of that but that is a good point. id like to know what the failure rate of a mechanical pump on the small block mopars would be over 100000 miles. another good point max. it would be helpful in the discussion to have a fair comparison. i can personally attest to installing at least one on my old dart in the 100000 ive driven it. i cant remember how many weve put on the 63 in its 200000+ miles. id bet its more than three. all of this is lost on someone like joe sixpack because hes only interested in his truck not the actual facts over thousands of trucks. as to whose fault is was... well thats anyones guess. clearly the claim that cummins trucks are selling the brand while at the same time failing at rampant rates is some sort of conflicting conclusion. but ive come to expect this. .

From : nathan in montana

the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. well looking at the 07 numbers because thats all i have handy yes the axle is rated at 5200lbs. the curb weight on the front axle is a little over 4400lbs. a 9ft. plow setup goes a little under 900lbs. meyer shows 890lbs. for their 9 diamond edge model. the front axles overloaded and you havent even gotten in the truck yet. .

From : max dodge

the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. ok im not being argumentative here. please explain that as tires are unsprung weight. ive never weighed my truck to see what is actually getting to the front end but it does create some question due to the paper in my truck about slide in campers. it doesnt concern me to much since since my trailer has over 1000 pounds of tongue weight when loaded which should lighten the front end of the truck at least a little but i would like to build a large basket off my winch bumper to hold the generator for my camper.....but i dont know if that would push the front axle rating or not. my generator is nearly 200 pounds plus the weight of the basket to secure it another 100 pounds or so. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

id actually like to lighten my front end a little so that i dont have to be concerned about heavy bumpers and snow plows etc. im told the reason my truck came with a page saying not for slide in campers is due to the cummins being to heavy for the front end not leaving as much room for accessories as other trucks. personally i think they should just beef up the front end. the front axle on mine is rated at 5200 lbs the engine is only 1100 lbs. plenty of room for a plow. tires would be more of a concern due to weight ratings. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author the only thing id miss is the extra traction of the cummins sitting on the front axle. id actually like to lighten my front end a little so that i dont have to be concerned about heavy bumpers and snow plows etc. im told the reason my truck came with a page saying not for slide in campers is due to the cummins being to heavy for the front end not leaving as much room for accessories as other trucks. personally i think they should just beef up the front end. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

dguy im not arguing that the problem doesnt exist or that nate and roy et al dont have a reasonable complaint. but the opinion is that the lp is a fuck up of dc. simply put its not. is it a problem yup. is it rampant no. but 17% failure over 100000 miles sure 17% sounds like a lot and if it was on a 30000 mile period it would be. but its not. its on a mileage that most vehicles dont see on the first owner let alone under warranty. in my opinion the failure here isnt the lp itself but the way dc handled the warranty on that lift pump. yet the big list of dcs failures didnt mention its warranty claim problems or five star farce in some dealerships. but nate wants to argue semantics to cover his lack of facts stats and logic. but even the semantics and definitions dont prove him right. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on wed 18 oct 2006 213627 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote main entry rampant pronunciation ram-p&nt also -pant function adjective etymology middle english from anglo-french present participle of ramper 1 a rearing upon the hind legs with forelegs extended b standing on one hind foot with one foreleg raised above the other and the head in profile -- used of a heraldic animal 2 a marked by a menacing wildness extravagance or absence of restraint rampant rumors b profusely widespread rampant weeds - rampantly adverb rampant illustration http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/rampant nope even at 17% its not a rampant problem. max i realize that you enjoy the bantering with nate and i dont want to spoil that but from a consumers perspective i would thnk that 17% could be called rampant. i mean if 17% of firestones tires blew out that would be rampant. i would also think that would cause a recall. i am frankly taken by surprise by this failure rate. i never would have guessed that it would be that high. if that number holds up to be accurate......and we may find that it isnt-someone may come up with a figure that is more accurate..............but if it does then i am very dissapointed in dc for not doing more for their customers. and i think that is all that nate is saying. they should have stepped up and taken care of the problem and it dissapoints me that they didnt. that doesnt mean i hate dc. i still think the dodge ram is a great truck and the cummins engine is the best of the bunch. dc is a decent company. i have been treated well by dc and my trucks have been very trouble free. never the less if the failure rate of the lps was 17% that is bad. very bad. cant hide that or talk around it. nate roy and the others with lp problems have a legitimate complaint. honesty is a big thing with me. dc needs to step up and admit they screwed this up even if it is three years too late. that would mean a lot to me. but........if i was going to buy a new truck today it would be a dodge ram with a cummins diesel. .

From : max dodge

lol! they say that figures dont lie but liars can figure. - as exhibited by your pontification over the past day. leave it to you to once again try to squirm off the hook. doesnt matter max your lack of integrity in this thread will stand to serve any future reference. lack of integrity youve decided to argue over the definition of rampant while failing to address your gross misstatments regarding deiter zeitsche cca history from bankruptcy restyling of the trucks vs cummins availability and deliberately taking things out of context in order to save face after calling someone an asshole for no apparent reason. and in your clinton-esque usage of a definition to wiggle your way from the hook on a technicality obvious to anyone what youre doing i see profusely widespread. this issue at 1 in 5.88 and probably much higher would indeed meet that definition. it does not meet that definition particularly over the warranty period of 100000 miles. that is why dc never did a recall since the available statistics dont support your claim. this is supported by mike simmons statements on the issue. in the synonyms listed at http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/rampant is the word widespread. would you not consider 1 in 5.88 are you still denying that figure now that tom has said it comes straight from cummins or are you simply trying to snip your way out of directly responding to be widespread main entry widespread pronunciation wid-spred function adjective 1 widely diffused or prevalent widespread public interest 2 widely extended or spread out low widespread hood and fenders -- time a widespread erosion surface -- c. b. hitchcock at 17% its clear that the lift pumps that worked are still prevalent at 83%. what you seem to forget is the 100000 mile warranty period. at present rate ill have run through five or six steering boxes in 100000 miles and still have the factory lift pump. rampant steering box failure.... lol to any reasonable person this issue is indeed widespread. but that would require owning your fuck up which you will simply never do and anyone reading this group for any length of time knows it. when its not widespread there is no reason for me to call it as such. find actual stats and ill consider changing my opinion. until then i feel confident that since my opinion mirrors that of mike simmons im on solid ground. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author main entry rampant pronunciation ram-p&nt also -pant function adjective etymology middle english from anglo-french present participle of ramper 1 a rearing upon the hind legs with forelegs extended b standing on one hind foot with one foreleg raised above the other and the head in profile -- used of a heraldic animal 2 a marked by a menacing wildness extravagance or absence of restraint rampant rumors b profusely widespread rampant weeds - rampantly adverb rampant illustration http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/rampant nope even at 17% its not a rampant problem. lol! they say that figures dont lie but liars can figure. - leave it to you to once again try to squirm off the hook. doesnt matter max your lack of integrity in this thread will stand to serve any future reference. and in your clinton-esque usage of a definition to wiggle your way from the hook on a technicality obvious to anyone what youre doing i see profusely widespread. this issue at 1 in 5.88 and probably much higher would indeed meet that definition. in the synonyms listed at http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/rampant is the word widespread. would you not consider 1 in 5.88 are you still denying that figure now that tom has said it comes straight from cummins or are you simply trying to snip your way out of directly responding to be widespread to any reasonable person this issue is indeed widespread. but that would require owning your fuck up which you will simply never do and anyone reading this group for any length of time knows it. smooches - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com begin 666 audio.gif m1te&.#ea$ ++xp mp$ +$c#&0@f-hk=yi8&68d3itik9=c*r!l8j&4s.t4.p end begin 666 pixt.gif k1te&.#ea0! /py! $$+ !$3 $.p end .

From : roy

gina fierro wrote hello all i bought a 1998 dodge ram 1500 4x4 quad cab recently. which came with lt 285 75r16 all terrain t/a ko tires after driving for a couple of months i noticed tires looked low. when i had the oil changed i asked them to check the tire pressure. they told me that my tires where properly inflated at 35 psi. i went by local tire company to have them checked again as they still looked low. the guy there told me he added 2 psi to each front tire back rears were fine. tires actually say 65 psi. when i questioned him about this he told me they were fine. i understand that the door panel of the truck says 35-40 psi however these are not original tires they are oversized. could someone shed some light here so its ok to run 65 psi with stock rims id have guessed that 65 psi would be too much. no it is not. if that is the max pressure on the sidewall and you are carrying no load. roy 65 psi is way high for a 1/2 ton truck. to load a tire heavy enough to require 65 psi for the profile to be right you more than likely have overloaded the truck. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : Annonymous

actually that info. came right from cummins. even better but i have no doubt that max will continue to squirm off the hook because he hasnt the integrity to own his mistake. i know you dont like getting involved in the petty shit and i wont ask you to but i would like to know.....in your opinion was the issue rampant in the reasonable usage of the word rampant how about a compromise and say a whole friggin bunch roy .

From : nathan in montana

gina fierro wrote hello all i bought a 1998 dodge ram 1500 4x4 quad cab recently. which came with lt 285 75r16 all terrain t/a ko tires after driving for a couple of months i noticed tires looked low. when i had the oil changed i asked them to check the tire pressure. they told me that my tires where properly inflated at 35 psi. i went by local tire company to have them checked again as they still looked low. the guy there told me he added 2 psi to each front tire back rears were fine. tires actually say 65 psi. when i questioned him about this he told me they were fine. i understand that the door panel of the truck says 35-40 psi however these are not original tires they are oversized. could someone shed some light here thanks in advance gina fierro you already know these are not stock tires and you know the sticker in the door frame is useless. they are heavy duty truck tires designed to carry a maximum load. look on the sidewall and youll see lettering that says xpsi at y pounds. calculate how much of a load your tires do have and devide by 4. thats about how much weight is on each tire. now look at what your max tire pressure is. whatever the percentage of max load you have thats the percentage of tire pressure you should start with. so its ok to run 65 psi with stock rims id have guessed that 65 psi would be too much. no it is not. if that is the max pressure on the sidewall and you are carrying no load. roy .

From : nathan in montana

on wed 18 oct 2006 213627 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote main entry rampant pronunciation ram-p&nt also -pant function adjective etymology middle english from anglo-french present participle of ramper 1 a rearing upon the hind legs with forelegs extended b standing on one hind foot with one foreleg raised above the other and the head in profile -- used of a heraldic animal 2 a marked by a menacing wildness extravagance or absence of restraint rampant rumors b profusely widespread rampant weeds - rampantly adverb rampant illustration http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/rampant nope even at 17% its not a rampant problem. max i realize that you enjoy the bantering with nate and i dont want to spoil that but from a consumers perspective i would thnk that 17% could be called rampant. i mean if 17% of firestones tires blew out that would be rampant. i would also think that would cause a recall. i am frankly taken by surprise by this failure rate. i never would have guessed that it would be that high. if that number holds up to be accurate......and we may find that it isnt-someone may come up with a figure that is more accurate..............but if it does then i am very dissapointed in dc for not doing more for their customers. and i think that is all that nate is saying. they should have stepped up and taken care of the problem and it dissapoints me that they didnt. that doesnt mean i hate dc. i still think the dodge ram is a great truck and the cummins engine is the best of the bunch. dc is a decent company. i have been treated well by dc and my trucks have been very trouble free. never the less if the failure rate of the lps was 17% that is bad. very bad. cant hide that or talk around it. nate roy and the others with lp problems have a legitimate complaint. honesty is a big thing with me. dc needs to step up and admit they screwed this up even if it is three years too late. that would mean a lot to me. but........if i was going to buy a new truck today it would be a dodge ram with a cummins diesel. .

From : nathan in montana

actually that info. came right from cummins. even better but i have no doubt that max will continue to squirm off the hook because he hasnt the integrity to own his mistake. i know you dont like getting involved in the petty shit and i wont ask you to but i would like to know.....in your opinion was the issue rampant in the reasonable usage of the word rampant -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

main entry rampant pronunciation ram-p&nt also -pant function adjective etymology middle english from anglo-french present participle of ramper 1 a rearing upon the hind legs with forelegs extended b standing on one hind foot with one foreleg raised above the other and the head in profile -- used of a heraldic animal 2 a marked by a menacing wildness extravagance or absence of restraint rampant rumors b profusely widespread rampant weeds - rampantly adverb rampant illustration http//www.m-w.com/dictionary/rampant nope even at 17% its not a rampant problem. lol! they say that figures dont lie but liars can figure. - leave it to you to once again try to squirm off the hook. doesnt matter max your lack of integrity in this thread will stand to serve any future reference. and in your clinton-esque usage of a definition to wiggle your way from the hook on a technicality obvious to anyone what youre doing i see profusely widespread. this issue at 1 in 5.88 and probably much higher would indeed meet that definition. in the synonyms listed at http//dictionary.reference.com/browse/rampant is the word widespread. would you not consider 1 in 5.88 are you still denying that figure now that tom has said it comes straight from cummins or are you simply trying to snip your way out of directly responding to be widespread to any reasonable person this issue is indeed widespread. but that would require owning your fuck up which you will simply never do and anyone reading this group for any length of time knows it. smooches - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

gina fierro wrote hello all i bought a 1998 dodge ram 1500 4x4 quad cab recently. which came with lt 285 75r16 all terrain t/a ko tires after driving for a couple of months i noticed tires looked low. when i had the oil changed i asked them to check the tire pressure. they told me that my tires where properly inflated at 35 psi. i went by local tire company to have them checked again as they still looked low. the guy there told me he added 2 psi to each front tire back rears were fine. tires actually say 65 psi. when i questioned him about this he told me they were fine. i understand that the door panel of the truck says 35-40 psi however these are not original tires they are oversized. could someone shed some light here thanks in advance gina fierro this can be a difficult problem. the best gauge of proper tire pressure is tread wear. but if you guess wrong youll wear out the tires too soon. you already know these are not stock tires and you know the sticker in the door frame is useless. they are heavy duty truck tires designed to carry a maximum load. look on the sidewall and youll see lettering that says xpsi at y pounds. calculate how much of a load your tires do have and devide by 4. thats about how much weight is on each tire. now look at what your max tire pressure is. whatever the percentage of max load you have thats the percentage of tire pressure you should start with. that is a pretty crude calculation because it doesnt include front to rer bias cross weights etc. but it will get you in the ball park. now go drive the truck for a while. long enough to get the tires good and warm. use an infrared thermometer and check the tire temp in the middle and ech side of the tread. should be roughly equal when the pressure is right. if you dont have a thermometer you can use the chalk/paint method. not nearly as accurate but a whole lot cheaper and probably close enough. after the tires are warm put some paint or chalk across the tread. roll foreward just a few tire rotations. you can see where the chalk/paint is scuffed off. again should be equal across the tread pattern when the pressure is right. -- ..bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : tom lawrence

is there a dodge or cummins bulletin for the killer dowel pin i called the dealer to set up an appointment to do the mod on an old 12-valve but they said they didnt know anything about it..... .

From : roy

on mon 16 oct 2006 001902 -0600 nathan in montana wrote the kcar was a big hit certianly but it died as fast as it rose. the restyle was great but surely you dont think it would have been as successful with a foreign diesel have any of you folks *ever* driven a k-car it was junk. agreed but it was cheap to build and dc sold a shit load of them. .

From : roy

on mon 16 oct 2006 001902 -0600 nathan in montana wrote the kcar was a big hit certianly but it died as fast as it rose. the restyle was great but surely you dont think it would have been as successful with a foreign diesel have any of you folks *ever* driven a k-car it was junk. .

From : roy

is there a dodge or cummins bulletin for the killer dowel pin i called the dealer to set up an appointment to do the mod on an old 12-valve but they said they didnt know anything about it..... nothing official from either of them... youre on your own for this. tst products http//www.tstproducts.com makes a kit that any local mechanic would be able to install for you. the kit is described here http//www.tstproducts.com/index.asppageaction=viewprod&prodid=64 .

From : bigironram

squirm. - tom provided you with a valid industry publication from a company working for cummins. do you think they would lie to make cummins look bad sheesh talk about pathetic. actually that info. came right from cummins. megan henry who quoted the 17% number is one of those six sigma black belt certified people working in the midrange products division of cummins midrange builds the isbs. .

From : max dodge

agreed......so lets just stick with the valid warranty claims. how do you feel about 1 in 5 personally i feel that it is higher then one would logically hope for when dealing with such an issue. based on the 1 in 5 of valid warranty claimes disregarding every modified truck to suffer this failure would you consider my claim of rampant valid after looking at the various definitions of the word i would have to say yes. as dc has not issued a recall on it this is an unrestrained problem. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : Annonymous

on wed 18 oct 2006 012722 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on wed 18 oct 2006 002124 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 17 oct 2006 222353 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. i understand your position. roy in the mean time im standing there with my truck on its ass waiting for dc to release a lp after they determined my truck wasnt bombed. wtf!!! glad you can follow that logic. g there was a time that the regional warehouse couldnt get them. hopefully the in the tank one will hold together cause these will suck to change. the old ones were 15 minutes and you were done. listen to me im talking about repairing a new 40+k truck like it is a okay deal. it is friggin crazy what dc has us trained to put up with. i must be loseing it. roy roy.........i am not arguing dcs case and i dont disagree with your outlook as a consumer. i was just trying to pass on the info as to why dc made the decision to do it that way. not defending it just telling why they did made the decision to do it. if mine had gone out and i had to wait i would have been just as pissed as you or the others especially when i dont bomb my truck and im not willing to wait because dc wants to penalize me for what some other people have done. .

From : nathan in montanamax dodge

nate i have to ask.. how can dc be to blame or held accountable for anything on a vehicle that has been modified regardless of level of modification and one of dcs parts fail they arent accountable for those in any legal sense but due to the rate of failure on the warrantied trucks those numbers cannot be simply dismissed. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

on wed 18 oct 2006 012722 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on wed 18 oct 2006 002124 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 17 oct 2006 222353 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. in the mean time im standing there with my truck on its ass waiting for dc to release a lp after they determined my truck wasnt bombed. wtf!!! glad you can follow that logic. g there was a time that the regional warehouse couldnt get them. hopefully the in the tank one will hold together cause these will suck to change. the old ones were 15 minutes and you were done. listen to me im talking about repairing a new 40+k truck like it is a okay deal. it is friggin crazy what dc has us trained to put up with. i must be loseing it. roy roy.........i am not arguing dcs case and i dont disagree with your outlook as a consumer. i was just trying to pass on the info as to why dc made the decision to do it that way. not defending it just telling why they did made the decision to do it. if mine had gone out and i had to wait i would have been just as pissed as you or the others especially when i dont bomb my truck and im not willing to wait because dc wants to penalize me for what some other people have done. .

From : d mcdaniels

on mon 16 oct 2006 001902 -0600 nathan in montana wrote the kcar was a big hit certianly but it died as fast as it rose. the restyle was great but surely you dont think it would have been as successful with a foreign diesel have any of you folks *ever* driven a k-car it was junk. agreed but it was cheap to build and dc sold a shit load of them. i rated it as pretty close to the escort. not real good not horrible either. by todays standards awful. .

From : nathan in montana

he might also tell you i dont have a receipt for replacing a bad lift pump and i didnt cash a $70.00 reimbursement check from dc as well. he might also tell you members of our local tdr club didnt have problems either. not until his lift pump takes a shit on him anyway. ......im really surprised to hear how they treated you. i wonder how much influence the dealership has over these decisions the dealer wasnt ever involved with this truck so they have no influence at all. it was all dc. remember i bought this one used but it was still well within the warranty period. you think you were surprised i was shocked i knew they would reimburse warranty repairs i didnt know theyd weasel out of the full cost. now that its on my mind again in the phone call i was told if i wanted a free repair i shouldve taken it to the dealer. yeah right where theyll tell you it still makes a little pressure or the newer well its still pumping enough volume. sure ill go along with that while inadequate fuel pressure / supply kills the vp-44. .

From : nathan in montana

lol same old nate..... ask for proven fact and get a bunch of spin. yup....because when you are provide with fact all you can do is spin and squirm. - tom provided you with a valid industry publication from a company working for cummins. do you think they would lie to make cummins look bad sheesh talk about pathetic. i have no agenda lol.......riiiiiiight. and im gonna go test drive an isb powered f450. - ive looked at all the facts youve presented in support of your statements tom provided the facts. now that youve questioned them i suspect tom will dig up more but if he doesnt im sure someone will. what will it take max mr. cummins speaking from the grave to validate the rampant issue ill take mike simmons word over yours you arent taking his word over mine. youre clinging to it because its all youve got after toms link sank your boat completely - now call me an asshole and get it over with. that my friend would be a disservice to assholes everywhere. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : bigironram

max i think issue with the pump was the placement of it which was done by dc. there was a article yup another one a few years ago that went on and on about who was really at fault. it all had to do with failures downstream from a failed pump regards who owned the claim. its out there somewhere but i gotta tell ya at this stage the gettin aint worth the goin roy .

From : bigironram

i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. a quick very quick - as in first hit google search turned up the following http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. so 17% is the admitted rate. how many were denied and owner repaired with a stock replacement or aftermarket fix if the vibration issue is true it sounds like the relocation fix is the way to go. isnt that the vulcan fix ive also heard if you relocate the stock lift pump youll be denied warranty coverage because its modified. i read the same. so if you move the pump and then your injector pump goes south you eat about a 2k repair. roy .

From : bigironram

the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike no offense intended but wasnt that term richard nixons to imply widespread support for the vietnam war i dont think i wouldve gone there...i mean with that particular term. .

From : bigironram

again this is the biggest issue ive had with chrysler only at the dealer level. customer service has been spotty or bad for years depending on what level you are dealing. ive only found one dealer in this area i had any not a lot but they at least tried faith in. it was a chrysler plymouth dealer and theyre long gone. looking back to the sixties at how dealers and manufacturers have treated their customers im thinking there was a marked change in the late 70s and early 80s from we sure want you to be happy to who cares. i cant document this because i heard it on a radio show but the story goes ford used to go out of their way to take care of customers including out of warranty claims to keep their customers satisfied. but a study showed they werent rewarded with cusomer loyalty so they quit. if i remember right this would have been in the 80s or early 90s. .

From : bigironram

proving that with that much time in this group one would think that you wouldnt be so ignorant to this rampant lift pump failure issue. 1 in 5 max. 1 in 5. nate youre rounding up 17% is more like 1 in 6. still with all the weaseling theyve done i think the actual rate is higher and i dont have any basis to guess how high it is. whether its 1 in 6 or higher its well past lemon status. remember im only commenting on the lift pump failure rate not the truck. .

From : bigironram

my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. i dont think bombs had much to do with lift pumps vp-44s for sure. as long as the engine is running the lift runs at its perdetermined rate its not responsive to fuel demands so its not overworked. remember the vp-44 is fuel lubricated lots of fuel is returned to the tank. this is the way i understand it and could be wrong. im sure ill be corrected if i am. .

From : nathan in montana

i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. a quick very quick - as in first hit google search turned up the following http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. so 17% is the admitted rate. how many were denied and owner repaired with a stock replacement or aftermarket fix if the vibration issue is true it sounds like the relocation fix is the way to go. isnt that the vulcan fix ive also heard if you relocate the stock lift pump youll be denied warranty coverage because its modified. .

From : max dodge

since the 6.7 engine is not currently available in any rating my info was correct. not what you said before. we were comparing the cummins to the duramax.....not what might happen in the future. nice try miserable failure. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

nate this is not meant as an offense to anyone here or too you but that statement applies to all of us at sometime. probably so but since im arguing with max....... - lol -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

nate this is not meant as an offense to anyone here or too you but that statement applies to all of us at sometime. probably so but since im arguing with max....... - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

as i posted in reply to tom its not been established with out assuming many things. heh......thats pretty sad max. it has indeed. just own it and go to bed with at least a tiny shred of credibility left. as mike posted and hes a good source given his vocation lol.....on the one hand you whine about people stating opinions demanding documentation.......then when someone provides valid industry documentation you immediately cling to someone expressing an uninformed opinion that happens to be closer to your beliefs. to late you dont even have a shred left. the problem isnt as terrible as you make it out to be im not making it out to be anything. i will accept the published 1 in 5 and thats completely disregarding those with modified trucks. again you are taking out of context and overreacting. i never said the problem didnt exist. i do however dispute your exaggerated claims on the issue. no overreaction at all. im happy with 1 in 5. youre simply trying to spin off it. sadly the document you trust to set a failure rate also describes the solution... it wasnt design of the pump but location. it wasnt chrysler that designed it and had a failure but cummins. as i said before......if its in a chrysler vehicle and honored by a chrysler warranty its a chrysler fuck up. if one of my employees is working at your place of business and wires something wrong causing your building to burn down i feel certain that youll be coming for my insurance company because my service is what you bought regardless of who i hired to deliver it. same thing. as such ill stand by my statement... the design was fine omg......the lift pump design was fine by max! roy bigironram.......you guys didnt need to replace your lift pumps afterall.....dont you feel stupid sheesh max go to bed buddy. i was having fun poking at you a little but now youve taken yourself to levels far below what i ever wanted to do. im done here until relevant info comes to light beyond what weve seen so far. translation -- i cant even convince myself of my own bullshit anymore max.....just own it buddy. the lift pump issue was a piss poor design resulting in rampant failures. i truly hope that when yours fails you wont be in the middle of nowhere. i recommend that you at least keep a spare on board and change it before it takes out your injection pump. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

its hard to believe you are still trying to dispute this. it goes to show exactly what ive said about you. you will not see beyond your own agenda facts be damned. lol same old nate..... ask for proven fact and get a bunch of spin. i have no agenda and ive looked at all the facts youve presented in support of your statements. ill take mike simmons word over yours he sees more than 7 trucks a week let alone the 7 youve owned in a year or more on the lift pump issue. as such while it is an issue as i said its not a rampant problem. now call me an asshole and get it over with. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author whats the failure rate if youll stop spinning fast enough to read youll see that it has already been established as 1 in 5 of those with valid warranties. add to that those with modified trucks and its much higher. its hard to believe you are still trying to dispute this. it goes to show exactly what ive said about you. you will not see beyond your own agenda facts be damned. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

i believe toml has already addressed this issue and i was correct it will be available in the dmax matching ratings. you were not correct. will be is not the same thing as available as you claimed and its certainly subject to change at any point prior to. yet another fuck up own it max. since the 6.7 engine is not currently available in any rating my info was correct. try a remedial course in grammar. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author i believe toml has already addressed this issue and i was correct it will be available in the dmax matching ratings. you were not correct. will be is not the same thing as available as you claimed and its certainly subject to change at any point prior to. yet another fuck up own it max. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

based on the 1 in 5 of valid warranty claimes disregarding every modified truck to suffer this failure would you consider my claim of rampant valid after looking at the various definitions of the word i would have to say yes. thank you. ......damn the conversations in here take some interesting turns. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

shrug i dunno.... given that its someone from cummins providing the data youd kinda have to give them the benefit of the doubt that theyre not just pulling a number out of their ass. there are points both for and against this given the nature of the document quoted. id prefer an independant source. translation -- it proves nate right so i will simply refute the source .......you really think anyone is buying your bullshit second since the rams were chrysler warranty problems is the document talking about ram failure or just cummins installations in chassis what a dumb thing to ask. you already know the answer......so does anyone else who even glanced over the paper....what a pathetic spin. lots of factors are not accounted for here. no max youre simply grasping at any straw you can at this point. - squirm. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

ive done a search and looked at five pages of possible info.... not one of them has a verifiable failure rate. i do believe that much as been established. 1 in 5 and thats just those under warranty.....add to it the number of failures from modified rigs and you have the issue that you claim never existed. as i posted in reply to tom its not been established with out assuming many things. as mike posted and hes a good source given his vocation the problem isnt as terrible as you make it out to be although it is more than cummins admits. tom isnt full of shit no shit and neither am i i did afterall have to school you on this issue that doesnt exist but i know you cant bring yourself to acknowledge it. again you are taking out of context and overreacting. i never said the problem didnt exist. i do however dispute your exaggerated claims on the issue. what bullshit spin. it wasnt the weak link like a u-joint max. it was a piss poor design prone to failure. own it. sadly the document you trust to set a failure rate also describes the solution... it wasnt design of the pump but location. it wasnt chrysler that designed it and had a failure but cummins. as such ill stand by my statement... the design was fine and not a failure on chryslers part. spin away. im done here until relevant info comes to light beyond what weve seen so far. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ive done a search and looked at five pages of possible info.... not one of them has a verifiable failure rate. i do believe that much as been established. 1 in 5 and thats just those under warranty.....add to it the number of failures from modified rigs and you have the issue that you claim never existed. tom isnt full of shit no shit and neither am i i did afterall have to school you on this issue that doesnt exist but i know you cant bring yourself to acknowledge it. saying the lift pump is the weak link in the engine is like saying the universal joint is the weak link in the driveshaft. everything has a weak link what bullshit spin. it wasnt the weak link like a u-joint max. it was a piss poor design prone to failure. own it. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

well nate thats because i live in reality not this group. shit. ill bet in the last 5 years your posts outnumber mine at least 50 to 1. proving what proving that with that much time in this group one would think that you wouldnt be so ignorant to this rampant lift pump failure issue. 1 in 5 max. 1 in 5. no it justifies looking for facts instead of screaming about random events without statistics. you have them now. thanks to tom we know that its 1 in 5 and possibly much higher if in fact that paper was from 01. that doesnt even count the number of failures from modified trucks. it is clearly an issue and a rampant one at that to any reasonable person without an agenda that is truly just looking for facts. what say you fully expecting spin and bullshit a single source claiming 17% failure is pretty strong.... but no one can back this omg you are actually questioning toms source holy hell......lol......thank you max. youve just proven everything ive said about you. - back to your overreactionary bullshit..... riiiiight max. it doesnt exist. maybe not in those f450/f550s with the isb. buwhahaha! - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

because the die-hard cummins fans dont want to see their engine of choice replace with something else. personally i would be happy to own a dodge with a mb engine in it if they would go back the 97 98 body style. agreed. the only thing id miss is the extra traction of the cummins sitting on the front axle. but this actually might be a good thing if the mb was a little lighter. i would hope that it would help prevent some front end failures or problems as it has been established that the front end is a little lacking to begin with. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author because the die-hard cummins fans dont want to see their engine of choice replace with something else. personally i would be happy to own a dodge with a mb engine in it if they would go back the 97 98 body style. why do most here assume that dc isnt capable of designing and building an engine that is equal to or superior to the cummins offerings .

From : max dodge

is it a quality issue or a location issue broke = broke yup... is this solid data or just grandstanding to prove the success of a new qc program shrug i dunno.... given that its someone from cummins providing the data youd kinda have to give them the benefit of the doubt that theyre not just pulling a number out of their ass. there are points both for and against this given the nature of the document quoted. id prefer an independant source. second since the rams were chrysler warranty problems is the document talking about ram failure or just cummins installations in chassis third that 17% was within warranty period which was 100k miles. how does that compare with fuel pumps in other vehicles in 100k a failure in 100k is almost normal since we all know the nickel and dime period is from about 70k onward. however assuming the big if the 17% is correct and out of line with other fuel pumps thats significant. lots of factors are not accounted for here. that said i find it fascinating that no one i know and i know quite a few around my geographic area has ever had a problem yet the failure rate is said to be 17%. sounds like a conspiracy yeah mike simmons the guy and my local region got all the good trucks. oh and nate got one as well since failure at 100k is... almost to be expected. thats why im a bit skeptical of rampant problems. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author is it a quality issue or a location issue broke = broke is this solid data or just grandstanding to prove the success of a new qc program shrug i dunno.... given that its someone from cummins providing the data youd kinda have to give them the benefit of the doubt that theyre not just pulling a number out of their ass. that said i find it fascinating that no one i know and i know quite a few around my geographic area has ever had a problem yet the failure rate is said to be 17%. sounds like a conspiracy .

From : nathan in montana

well nate thats because i live in reality not this group. shit. ill bet in the last 5 years your posts outnumber mine at least 50 to 1. proving what lol.....so this justifies your arrogance as you shout ignorance on this topic no it justifies looking for facts instead of screaming about random events without statistics. ......i knew you wouldnt have the integrity to admit that you are wrong on this just like you never admitted to being wrong about the existance of a 318hd. some things just never change. until you have proof via statisitics or documented proof there isnt anything to admit. a single source claiming 17% failure is pretty strong.... but no one can back this and the single best source of this failure on this group mike simmons claims pretty much what ive said... yeah it was a problem but it wasnt rampant. back to your overreactionary bullshit..... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author well nate thats because i live in reality not this group. shit. ill bet in the last 5 years your posts outnumber mine at least 50 to 1. i look at what i can see with my own eyes and can verify through my own senses far before i look at anything said here without context or verifiable source. that may seem strange to you but really its the only way to go. lol.....so this justifies your arrogance as you shout ignorance on this topic ......i knew you wouldnt have the integrity to admit that you are wrong on this just like you never admitted to being wrong about the existance of a 318hd. some things just never change. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

agreed......so lets just stick with the valid warranty claims. how do you feel about 1 in 5 personally i feel that it is higher then one would logically hope for when dealing with such an issue. based on the 1 in 5 of valid warranty claimes disregarding every modified truck to suffer this failure would you consider my claim of rampant valid -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

the only thing id miss is the extra traction of the cummins sitting on the front axle. id actually like to lighten my front end a little so that i dont have to be concerned about heavy bumpers and snow plows etc. im told the reason my truck came with a page saying not for slide in campers is due to the cummins being to heavy for the front end not leaving as much room for accessories as other trucks. personally i think they should just beef up the front end. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

but nate never listed it in dcs biggest fuckups. becuase unlike you i dont speak in areas where i am ignorant. my customer service has been excellent......but i wont sit and tell you that poor customer service doesnt happen. that would be a stupid thing to do. oh wait thats what youre doing because your lift pump hasnt failed. - yet. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

only whiney bitches would say something like you overstepped your bounds roll eyes sheesh grow a set. i thought that was preferable to other means. sure.....to a whiney bitch. ;- -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

you are correct but you know as well as i that if it is a failure on a modified vechile they will not count it as a failure on their part. that in itself is a problem as you max mike and tom can search the web or call dc all you want and no one will ever have an accurate number. agreed......so lets just stick with the valid warranty claims. how do you feel about 1 in 5 personally i feel that it is higher then one would logically hope for when dealing with such an issue. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

because the die-hard cummins fans dont want to see their engine of choice replace with something else. personally i would be happy to own a dodge with a mb engine in it if they would go back the 97 98 body style. agreed. the only thing id miss is the extra traction of the cummins sitting on the front axle. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author because the die-hard cummins fans dont want to see their engine of choice replace with something else. personally i would be happy to own a dodge with a mb engine in it if they would go back the 97 98 body style. why do most here assume that dc isnt capable of designing and building an engine that is equal to or superior to the cummins offerings .

From : nathan in montana

whats the failure rate if youll stop spinning fast enough to read youll see that it has already been established as 1 in 5 of those with valid warranties. add to that those with modified trucks and its much higher. its hard to believe you are still trying to dispute this. it goes to show exactly what ive said about you. you will not see beyond your own agenda facts be damned. nate this is not meant as an offense to anyone here or too you but that statement applies to all of us at sometime. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

only whiney bitches would say something like you overstepped your bounds roll eyes sheesh grow a set. i thought that was preferable to other means. grow up and show some maturity. wait for it....... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you overstepped your bounds and reason. sheesh cut out the drama already. youre starting to sound like a girl. no girls have a lack of logic much like your statements about mike. get it straight. only whiney bitches would say something like you overstepped your bounds roll eyes sheesh grow a set. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

you are correct but you know as well as i that if it is a failure on a modified vechile they will not count it as a failure on their part. that in itself is a problem as you max mike and tom can search the web or call dc all you want and no one will ever have an accurate number. agreed......so lets just stick with the valid warranty claims. how do you feel about 1 in 5 -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

again pretty much what ive been saying...... you really think people are stupid enough to believe this or is it that you believe your own spin what about the 1 in 5 of valid warranty claims from unmodified trucks even if you do discredit all modified trucks 1 in 5 is a rampant issue. .....but you cannot acknowledge it. that would require something else you dont have. integrity. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

nate i have to ask.. how can dc be to blame or held accountable for anything on a vehicle that has been modified regardless of level of modification and one of dcs parts fail they arent accountable for those in any legal sense but due to the rate of failure on the warrantied trucks those numbers cannot be simply dismissed. you are correct but you know as well as i that if it is a failure on a modified vechile they will not count it as a failure on their part. that in itself is a problem as you max mike and tom can search the web or call dc all you want and no one will ever have an accurate number. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

a reply from cummins on the issue. gasp.......so now you call it an issue.....the one that never existed lol....own it max youll feel better. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

because the die-hard cummins fans dont want to see their engine of choice replace with something else. personally i would be happy to own a dodge with a mb engine in it if they would go back the 97 98 body style. why do most here assume that dc isnt capable of designing and building an engine that is equal to or superior to the cummins offerings .

From : max dodge

is it a quality issue or a location issue lol as if it matters its a fuck up. you were wrong and now youll try to piddle your way around it. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

well............if the 17% figure is accurate.............and i have to assume at this point that it is............then that would qualify in my book as rampant. thank you. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. not saying that stock trucks didnt have problems with lps just that the bombed ones had a lot more issues. the bombed trucks put too much stress on a weak part. personally i knew a lot of people with those engines. i had a 01. i didnt know anyone personally that ever had to replace a lift pump but none the less i know it was a weak part of the fuel system from other peoples postings. it was never bad enough for a recall and i think that mike is right when he says is has been over stated by many. i know the service guy at the dealership. he said it wasnt that bad out here they replaced some bad lps but not that many. dc told him that fuel quality played a part in it too. fuel out here is pretty good. i dont know how true that is but that is what he was told. anyway the latest versions of the lp supposedly were pretty solid. again pretty much what ive been saying...... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on tue 17 oct 2006 222353 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. not saying that stock trucks didnt have problems with lps just that the bombed ones had a lot more issues. the bombed trucks put too much stress on a weak part. personally i knew a lot of people with those engines. i had a 01. i didnt know anyone personally that ever had to replace a lift pump but none the less i know it was a weak part of the fuel system from other peoples postings. it was never bad enough for a recall and i think that mike is right when he says is has been over stated by many. i kno

From : max dodge

again this is the biggest issue ive had with chrysler only at the dealer level. customer service has been spotty or bad for years depending on what level you are dealing. but nate never listed it in dcs biggest fuckups. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike well now youve thrown down the gauntlet so to speak. ive also had one replaced on my 01.5. i bought it used in february 2004 with 49012 miles on it. the original owner claimed it to be all stock never modified in any way. i had my local mechanic look at it shortly thereafter and he didnt find any evidence of mods either. what he did find was low fuel pressure indicative of a bad lift pump. he did change it and i submitted his invoice for reimbursement. i heard nothing for a very long time and then got a phone call from dc. they refused to reimburse for labor and only for their cost for the lift pump $70.00. no amount of complaint or logic would sway them. nothing dc does now would persuade me to buy another from them. i have three dodge trucks and two chrysler product cars no more when these are gone. i saw a post on tdr about someone with a bluebird bus with a 5.9 cummins in it with lift pump problems. cummins takes care of their customers. dc weasels out of their problems. almost forgot dc contacted my local mechanic and asked him to send them the failed lift pump after refusing to pay for his labor. had i known before he sent it to them i would have delivered it personally up their ass. bastards. .

From : max dodge

whats the failure rate if youll stop spinning fast enough to read youll see that it has already been established as 1 in 5 of those with valid warranties. add to that those with modified trucks and its much higher. its hard to believe you are still trying to dispute this. it goes to show exactly what ive said about you. you will not see beyond your own agenda facts be damned. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

why do most here assume that dc isnt capable of designing and building an engine that is equal to or superior to the cummins offerings your kidding right roy .

From : Annonymous

windows. i looked at the placement of the heater core and it looks like a pain to do myself or is it easier than it looks no - harder. .

From : roy

why do most here assume that dc isnt capable of designing and building an engine that is equal to or superior to the cummins offerings .

From : azwiley1

for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike pretty much what ive been saying....... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike .

From : nathan in montana

max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. which is exactly my point roy. my experience and nates though hell dispute it indicate that lift pump failure isnt all that common and happens in a random manner just as any part fails. since we are all basing this on personal experience its hard to claim its either unknown or known since all parts fail and thats also known. so..... were left with the same phenomena that follows any part failure.... transmissions lift pumps etc. it looks bigger than it really is because of the concentration in one place of those who are affected. all the automakers have had problems with the od transmissions but to say all the transmission designs were terribly flawed is erroneous. same goes for the lift pump especially in light of evidence that mounting the same pump elsewhere cured the problem. thats why i asked for a failure rate instead of personal experience. if you ask me the steering box is a piece of shit but thats because ive had three of them in the truck and am now on my fourth. does that mean its a known problem or does it mean im a bit harder on my steering like hopping curbs flying over snow mounds etc who knows but im not going to claim the steering box is a flawed design just because its been bad on my truck.... the same box has been fitted to millions of dodge and gm pickups. whats the failure rate -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy .

From : nathan in montana

ive done a search and looked at five pages of possible info.... not one of them has a verifiable failure rate. i do believe that much as been established. 1 in 5 and thats just those under warranty.....add to it the number of failures from modified rigs and you have the issue that you claim never existed. tom isnt full of shit no shit and neither am i i did afterall have to school you on this issue that doesnt exist but i know you cant bring yourself to acknowledge it. nate i have to ask.. how can dc be to blame or held accountable for anything on a vehicle that has been modified regardless of level of modification and one of dcs parts fail that would be like modifying a dmax to the max not you max bg having it fail and then blaming chevy saying the lift pump is the weak link in the engine is like saying the universal joint is the weak link in the driveshaft. everything has a weak link what bullshit spin. it wasnt the weak link like a u-joint max. it was a piss poor design prone to failure. own it. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : azwiley1

its not a good diesel on paper. more power less weight better mileage....it is perfect on paper. we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. you squashed your own point again. wrong.....because i clearly differentiated between the two on paper which the bean counters look at to real world bottom line. i dont however expect you to acknowledge anything including the rampant lift pump issue that you claim doesnt exist. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

i believe toml has already addressed this issue and i was correct it will be available in the dmax matching ratings. you were not correct. will be is not the same thing as available as you claimed and its certainly subject to change at any point prior to. yet another fuck up own it max. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

on tue 17 oct 2006 223343 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote reading toms post 17% is not a small number. with regard to bombed trucks the l/p wasnt covered under warranty so i doubt it is part of the 17% good catch i missed that. i wonder what the actual total would be.......i want to show that it was at least enough to reasonably classify the issue as rampant. well............if the 17% figure is accurate.............and i have to assume at this point that it is............then that would qualify in my book as rampant. now my book isnt very official but never the less one out of five would be rampant to me. as i said before it seems like that should have set off a recall. i remember some folks on tdr talking about a class action suit at one time several years ago over the lp problems. they researched the failure rate there and never could come up with a figure other than an unofficial poll on tdr. the polls are probably still there if someone had a membership and the time to search several years of posts. it would be interesting now to see what their poll showed as a rate and compare it the 17% figure. a pretty fair share of the tdr trucks are bombed so it would be fun to see if there was a significant increase there. abyway i digress. several of the members contacted their dealers and dc to get a failure rate and were pretty much just blown off as i recall. it really would be intersting to revisit those old threads now. i actually find this funny. i just got a recall for my chevy due to a safety issue to have them replace the damn tailgate straps. dc however doesnt find it needed for a recall on this problem. hmm! .

From : azwiley1

ive done a search and looked at five pages of possible info.... not one of them has a verifiable failure rate. i do believe that much as been established. 1 in 5 and thats just those under warranty.....add to it the number of failures from modified rigs and you have the issue that you claim never existed. tom isnt full of shit no shit and neither am i i did afterall have to school you on this issue that doesnt exist but i know you cant bring yourself to acknowledge it. saying the lift pump is the weak link in the engine is like saying the universal joint is the weak link in the driveshaft. everything has a weak link what bullshit spin. it wasnt the weak link like a u-joint max. it was a piss poor design prone to failure. own it. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.comhttp//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

well nate thats because i live in reality not this group. shit. ill bet in the last 5 years your posts outnumber mine at least 50 to 1. i look at what i can see with my own eyes and can verify through my own senses far before i look at anything said here without context or verifiable source. that may seem strange to you but really its the only way to go. lol.....so this justifies your arrogance as you shout ignorance on this topic .......i knew you wouldnt have the integrity to admit that you are wrong on this just like you never admitted to being wrong about the existance of a 318hd. some things just never change. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

but nate you have countless times said that the dmax was the superior engine just look at its hp rating..... wrong. i clearly stated that it was superior on paper relevant becasue that is what bean counters look at. its not a good diesel on paper. good diesels come in inline six design and have cast iron heads. good diesels do not require grid heaters and glow plugs. the dmax doesnt have the durability ratings of the cummins and has more parts to fail. last its a light duty diesel competing against a medium duty diesel. and you admit all this in your statement we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. you squashed your own point again. moving on. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author i can only guess max this is my opinion that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. but nate you have countless times said that the dmax was the superior engine just look at its hp rating..... wrong. i clearly stated that it was superior on paper relevant becasue that is what bean counters look at. so which was your above statement backpedal or spin it was spin but it was max trying to spin a victory out of his own failure to comprehend my clear statement. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

your claim was that it was available and the dodge site says otherwise. you fucked up max just own it. when/if the engine is actually released then you can make those statements. i believe toml has already addressed this issue and i was correct it will be available in the dmax matching ratings. have a nice day. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ok what now max sorta really blows your argument out of the water. hardly. you are aware in your vast knowledge that a diesel can be fueled to meet specific levels of power at any given rpm are you not do you think cummins arbitrarily picked specs that match the dmax cummins tuned it to those specs to beat the dmax. rest assured the engine will have those specs when it hits the street. your claim was that it was available and the dodge site says otherwise. you fucked up max just own it. when/if the engine is actually released then you can make those statements. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

on wed 18 oct 2006 002124 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 17 oct 2006 222353 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. in the mean time im standing there with my truck on its ass waiting for dc to release a lp after they determined my truck wasnt bombed. wtf!!! glad you can follow that logic. g there was a time that the regional warehouse couldnt get them. hopefully the in the tank one will hold together cause these will suck to change. the old ones were 15 minutes and you were done. listen to me im talking about repairing a new 40+k truck like it is a okay deal. it is friggin crazy what dc has us trained to put up with. i must be loseing it. roy .

From : roy

that you would still argue this point without dont any research evident by the fact that you cannot acknowledge it validates my earlier statement. your agenda matters most to you facts be damned. ive done a search and looked at five pages of possible info.... not one of them has a verifiable failure rate. tom isnt full of shit but saying the lift pump is the weak link in the engine is like saying the universal joint is the weak link in the driveshaft. everything has a weak link even that tow chain that has performed flawlessly forever that lays in the bed of many a pickup. iow claiming that something is a weak link doesnt assign a failure rate nor does it indicate flawed design. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes if one were to believe your statements on the crisis my truck would be the anomoly with no failure and no symptoms in over 70k miles. give it time. i told you that mine failed at 99990 or so miles. again ill refer to the vast number of trucks versus the failure rate. until we have a well founded rate of failure lift pump failure isnt the crisis its being made out to be. just do a google on this group for the word lift pump your agenda is stronger than your own truth. no my quest for facts eliminates knee jerk reactionary crap such as that for which you are known. that you would still argue this point without dont any research evident by the fact that you cannot acknowledge it validates my earlier statement. your agenda matters most to you facts be damned. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue yeah you need to do that but only if they contain proven information not just alarmist reaction. how about this quote from tom lawrence the only well-known weak link on those engines 98.5 to 02 24v engines is the factory lift pump. if/when that fails it kills your injector pump and thats a 4-figure repair bill. at a minimum install a fuel pressure gauge to monitor your fuel pressure so you can detect a failing lift pump before its too late. if it were me id immediately replace it with an aftermarket pump as well as install a pressure gauge. um......he said it was a weak link max. tom full of shit too see it for yourself at http//tinyurl.com/ybwqz8 perhaps you should read the entire thread so that you can continue to argue your ignorance. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

a reply from cummins on the issue. no hard numbers... again. http//www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.phpt=53629 -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. a quick very quick - as in first hit google search turned up the following http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. .

From : max dodge

is it a quality issue or a location issue broke = broke is this solid data or just grandstanding to prove the success of a new qc program shrug i dunno.... given that its someone from cummins providing the data youd kinda have to give them the benefit of the doubt that theyre not just pulling a number out of their ass. that said i find it fascinating that no one i know and i know quite a few around my geographic area has ever had a problem yet the failure rate is said to be 17%. sounds like a conspiracy .

From : Annonymous

i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. well nate thats because i live in reality not this group. i look at what i can see with my own eyes and can verify through my own senses far before i look at anything said here without context or verifiable source. that may seem strange to you but really its the only way to go. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. interesting my 2000 hasnt had a problem nor have any in the area. also im not alarmed. i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

on tue 17 oct 2006 223343 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote reading toms post 17% is not a small number. with regard to bombed trucks the l/p wasnt covered under warranty so i doubt it is part of the 17% good catch i missed that. i wonder what the actual total would be.......i want to show that it was at least enough to reasonably classify the issue as rampant. well............if the 17% figure is accurate.............and i have to assume at this point that it is............then that would qualify in my book as rampant. now my book isnt very official but never the less one out of five would be rampant to me. as i said before it seems like that should have set off a recall. i remember some folks on tdr talking about a class action suit at one time several years ago over the lp problems. they researched the failure rate there and never could come up with a figure other than an unofficial poll on tdr. the polls are probably still there if someone had a membership and the time to search several years of posts. it would be interesting now to see what their poll showed as a rate and compare it the 17% figure. a pretty fair share of the tdr trucks are bombed so it would be fun to see if there was a significant increase there. abyway i digress. several of the members contacted their dealers and dc to get a failure rate and were pretty much just blown off as i recall. it really would be intersting to revisit those old threads now. .

From : nathan in montana

on wed 18 oct 2006 002124 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 17 oct 2006 222353 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. my understanding of the situation was that dc simply with held the lps for two reasons. first they wanted to be sure that if they replaced a lp the truck was checked for mods. the bombed engines had a whole lot more lp failures than the stock ones. as a result the lp had to ordered when actually needed dealers couldnt stock them. the other reason was that the lps were being upgraded constantly and dc wanted to be sure that only the latest version was put on as a warranty repair rather than one that a dealer stocked that was an earlier version. also they wanted the old ones back because the supplier was taking them apart trying to figure out what needed to be fixed on them. not saying that stock trucks didnt have problems with lps just that the bombed ones had a lot more issues. the bombed trucks put too much stress on a weak part. personally i knew a lot of people with those engines. i had a 01. i didnt know anyone personally that ever had to replace a lift pump but none the less i know it was a weak part of the fuel system from other peoples postings. it was never bad enough for a recall and i think that mike is right when he says is has been over stated by many. i know the service guy at the dealership. he said it wasnt that bad out here they replaced some bad lps but not that many. dc told him that fuel quality played a part in it too. fuel out here is pretty good. i dont know how true that is but that is what he was told. anyway the latest versions of the lp supposedly were pretty solid. reading toms post 17% is not a small number. with regard to bombed trucks the l/p wasnt covered under warranty so i doubt it is part of the 17% roy youre right as i said in my post after the one you are referring to. that is a huge number. this is the first time that i have ever seen a definitive figure placed on the failure rate. i assume that the article is pretty accurate there would be no reason for the people quoted in it to bend the truth. seems like that high a figure would or certainly should trigger a recall on the parts or at least an extension of the warranty for that part. it never did though and all through the period that they were having lp problems i read several articles where dc said the problem was very small and isolated. one out of five isnt isolated. i dont know though im not a mechanic and maybe there was more to it. on the bombed truck that wasnt my point. my point was simply that the lps werent backlogged they were just held at the main parts distribution center because for a while at least dc felt that bombing was a major reason behind this taking place and they wanted to be sure that the dealers checked for mods before sending out a new lp. whether or not those denied warranty claims are included in the 17% figure i have no idea......... but i imagine you are probably right. at the start of the problem though the bombed trucks were being covered on

From : jeff burke

reading toms post 17% is not a small number. with regard to bombed trucks the l/p wasnt covered under warranty so i doubt it is part of the 17% good catch i missed that. i wonder what the actual total would be.......i want to show that it was at least enough to reasonably classify the issue as rampant. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. according to the article tom those stats were from before the six sigma project it was about a 17% failure rate over the entire warranty period before the six sigma project. which appears to have been in 01. if that is the case and its certainly possible that im missing something then the actual percentage would be much higher. my lift pump failed under warranty in 04. ill read the entire article a little later to see if im missing something somewhere -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. it was a problem that dc was aware of as they finally did something with the pump. screw the cost of the pump. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. no shit! just like here. dont you think that 400 post about lift pump failure is a lot id bet it would go up a bunch if i searched just lift pump. dont you think that this is a little subjective say 400 out of 500 is damn sure a lot but out of 10s of thousands etc.. not when you figure the membership of the tdr. the membership is not 10s of thousands. roy .

From : nathan in montana

where is it or has snoball not admitted he is clearly in error. # http//groups.google.com/group/rec.outdoors.rv-travel/browsethread/thread/46876dd41cb98ca1/aa1a25fea5d05fb8#aa1a25fea5d05fb8 track all of his snot nose drivel with this link bfg # http//groups.google.com/groups/profileshow=more&encuser=h-vf7haaaaa9bjativypipqhaxwvcmo&group= getting this idiot out of dodge clearly wasnt enough. hes reeking havoc with a post count as high as a spam bot on steroids. this guy must be bedridden or something. .

From : bigironram

when this lift pump goes out and we know it will nope not gonna happen. max said the issue doesnt exist. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : john kunkel

you overstepped your bounds and reason. sheesh cut out the drama already. youre starting to sound like a girl. no girls have a lack of logic much like your statements about mike. get it straight. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author you overstepped your bounds and reason. sheesh cut out the drama already. youre starting to sound like a girl. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : Annonymous

he might also tell you i dont have a receipt for replacing a bad lift pump and i didnt cash a $70.00 reimbursement check from dc as well. he might also tell you members of our local tdr club didnt have problems either. not until his lift pump takes a shit on him anyway. .......im really surprised to hear how they treated you. i wonder how much influence the dealership has over these decisions mine failed within 20 miles of my warranty expiring so they replaced the injection pump just incase since they knew my warranty would expire on my trip home from the dealership. thats customer service like ive never known and it came straight from the cummins rep that the dealership called. i wonder why they would do so much for one customer and so little for another. most had problems some were stock some not. doesnt matter a whit. i agree. most folks ive met that had the same issue were also running stock trucks. i knew when i bought the truck it might be a problem i think my 05 bighorn dually http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/3gen/1/index.html is the ultimate truck......the cummins 610 the way towing mode allows overdrive.....i definately prefer the headlights over the 06 model my opinion max!.....but if given the chance to buy a new 05 4x4 dually or a new 02 4x4 dually i would take the new 02. i prefer the look that restyle was awesome from day 1! i prefer the sound sounded like a diesel and i definately prefer the interior. when my 4x4 dually powerstroke http//inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=311 sells im going to replace it with an 01.5/02 cummins with an automatic. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

on wed 18 oct 2006 030343 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. a quick very quick - as in first hit google search turned up the following http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. thanks tom a little bit of facts never hurts anyone. i have to admit that surprises me. it is higher than i would have thought. almost one in five going bad isnt too good! good that they got it fixed. .

From : Annonymous

i am thinking it is the heater core as i do get steam on the inside windows. i looked at the placement of the heater core and it looks like a pain to do myself or is it easier than it looks mrblues i have a 96 ram 1500 with ac and have little or no heat. i replaced the thermostat and flushed the system and get very little if any heat. odd thing is when i turn the defrost on it will blow cold air. any ideas as to what the problem or problems could be with the engine well warmed up grasp both heater hoses and feel if they are both hot; if theyre not water isnt circulating through the heater core. if the hoses are both hot the blend door in the heater box is probably not working correctly; check the cable adjustment. in the absence of heat its normal for the defrost to blow cold air since the a/c compressor is energized in the defrost mode. .

From : azwiley1

i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. a quick very quick - as in first hit google search turned up the following http//www.asq.org/economic-case/markets/pdf/case-study-24516-six-sigma-saves.pdf where they claim a 17% failure rate of the lift pump over the entire warranty period. they dont break that down by years but i would assume it includes 98.5 through 04.5 the years of an electric lift pump mounted to the engine. .

From : nathan in montana

i can only guess max this is my opinion that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. but nate you have countless times said that the dmax was the superior engine just look at its hp rating..... wrong. i clearly stated that it was superior on paper relevant becasue that is what bean counters look at. so which was your above statement backpedal or spin it was spin but it was max trying to spin a victory out of his own failure to comprehend my clear statement. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : bigironram

ok what now max sorta really blows your argument out of the water. hardly. you are aware in your vast knowledge that a diesel can be fueled to meet specific levels of power at any given rpm are you not do you think cummins arbitrarily picked specs that match the dmax cummins tuned it to those specs to beat the dmax. rest assured the engine will have those specs when it hits the street. your claim was that it was available and the dodge site says otherwise. you fucked up max just own it. when/if the engine is actually released then you can make those statements. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

on mon 16 oct 2006 185759 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote i finally had a chance to use the garmin c550 we bought a few weeks ago. great little addition. directions are nuts on the voice is clear the menu is real user friendly the screen is sharp and clear both day and night. looks like ill be able to find the rabbit real easy.g the problem will be prying him away from the machine long enough for him to buy me that dinner.bfg roy no problems as long as i give you the right address... ive had your address. and it aint the one in the carrot patch.vbg you know that i now live in a suburb of dayton now right vbfg you come up here in snow season and i may just put your ass to work.. nah youll be plowing for snow fool.g getting ready for my last friggin year of snow plowing. 38 years of it is more than enuff. i say that now. but if this shoulder doesnt get better sue will be behind the wheel when it snows. had to have her hook on and move the blade out in the open saturday. actually shes pretty good with it. roy snow whats that $$$$$$ falling from the sky....... bfg denny .

From : craig c

mrblues wrote i have a 96 ram 1500 with ac and have little or no heat. i replaced the thermostat and flushed the system and get very little if any heat. odd thing is when i turn the defrost on it will blow cold air. any ideas as to what the problem or problems could be mrblues did you have heat before you flushed it and now you dont if thats the case its probably just air in the system. youll need to purge it a little better. did you drill a hole in the thermostat -- ..bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : nathan in montana

on oct 17 830 pm bigironram bigiron...@aol.com wrote nope not gonna happen. max said the issue doesnt exist. - he might also tell you i dont have a receipt for replacing a bad lift pump and i didnt cash a $70.00 reimbursement check from dc as well. he might also tell you members of our local tdr club didnt have problems either. all of this discussion has left me wondering when i can expect my lift pump not to go out - craig c. .

From : nathan in montana

when this lift pump goes out and we know it will nope not gonna happen. max said the issue doesnt exist. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com he might also tell you i dont have a receipt for replacing a bad lift pump and i didnt cash a $70.00 reimbursement check from dc as well. he might also tell you members of our local tdr club didnt have problems either. most had problems some were stock some not. doesnt matter a whit. i knew when i bought the truck it might be a problem i didnt know dc wouldnt reimburse the full repair cost. so knowing this you have a choice let someone you trust work on it and roll the dice on reimbursement or let the dealer work on your truck. given this choice and knowing what i know now the dealer would still never have seen my truck. .

From : nathan in montana

i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... hmm......yet you think you can get an isb in the f450/f550.....and that the cummins dodge is aviailable at 650 ft. lbs......and that the lp isnt an issue. lol. - but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. http//tinyurl.com/ybwqz8 hardly a known problem at that mileage. youre right max the issue isnt known and does not exist. roll eyes .......that you would continue to argue ignorance is funny. - then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. wrong. i stated that the injection pump was replaced just in case. the lift pump was a failure. please do some research and learn the difference in the two. opinions should be based on fact otherwise they are bullshit. wrong! otherwise they are opinions! im sure somewhere out there is a woman that thinks you are the best looking man she has ever seen. that isnt factual it is her opinion. same goes for me and everyone else. since you have just shown a basic flaw in your understanding of how opinions and facts relate to one another i feel confident in my assumption that you are once again throwing bullshit around. lol......right max......the lift pump issue never existed. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. it was a problem that dc was aware of as they finally did something with the pump. screw the cost of the pump. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. no shit! just like here. dont you think that 400 post about lift pump failure is a lot id bet it would go up a bunch if i searched just lift pump. dont you think that this is a little subjective say 400 out of 500 is damn sure a lot but out of 10s of thousands etc.. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! gee i think ive posted about how happy ive been with the 05. roy mike .

From : bigironram

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. well im not sure what a small number is but at the time they were unable to get enough pumps to go around. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. it was a problem that dc was aware of as they finally did something with the pump. screw the cost of the pump. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. no shit! just like here. dont you think that 400 post about lift pump failure is a lot id bet it would go up a bunch if i searched just lift pump. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! gee i think ive posted about how happy ive been with the 05. roy mike .

From : tom lawrence

gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. interesting my 2000 hasnt had a problem nor have any in the area. also im not alarmed. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. which should tell you all you need to know about how common the issue was/is. it sure does... all those places were performance outlets catering to those thta were making more power than the factory lift pump was designed to feed. iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. roy .

From : nathan in montana

bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes if one were to believe your statements on the crisis my truck would be the anomoly with no failure and no symptoms in over 70k miles. give it time. i told you that mine failed at 99990 or so miles. again ill refer to the vast number of trucks versus the failure rate. until we have a well founded rate of failure lift pump failure isnt the crisis its being made out to be. just do a google on this group for the word lift pump your agenda is stronger than your own truth. no my quest for facts eliminates knee jerk reactionary crap such as that for which you are known. that you would still argue this point without dont any research evident by the fact that you cannot acknowledge it validates my earlier statement. your agenda matters most to you facts be damned. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue yeah you need to do that but only if they contain proven information not just alarmist reaction. how about this quote from tom lawrence the only well-known weak link on those engines 98.5 to 02 24v engines is the factory lift pump. if/when that fails it kills your injector pump and thats a 4-figure repair bill. at a minimum install a fuel pressure gauge to monitor your fuel pressure so you can detect a failing lift pump before its too late. if it were me id immediately replace it with an aftermarket pump as well as install a pressure gauge. ive also got a fuel pressure gauge now. when this lift pump goes out and we know it will i will also have an aftermarket fix. the only reason i went with a stock replacement the first time was trying to save a few bucks foolish in hindsight. the difference in what it cost to do it and what dc was willing to reimburse wouldve gone a good ways towards a fass. .

From : chris thompson

on mon 16 oct 2006 200806 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote snip ok heres the facts.... in 1993 the last year of the d-series dodge sold some 78000 pickup trucks gas and diesel. in 1994 the first year for the br they sold some 140000 pickups gas and diesel.... almost twice the number! it had nothing to do with cummins... as others have attempted to tell you it was the styling! last year my 2006 the cummins engine accounted for some 70% of the build in the dr2500/3500 series but the dr1500 all gassers btw greatly outsold the heavies. snip thanks mike... thats exactly the kind of figures that i was curious about... i was one of many that thought the 95 was bugly when it first came out and wondered why so many 1500s were popping up in the neighborhood.. that front end sure grew on ya though.. i have 2 of em..lol mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : nathan in montana

you made the statement. if i knew you were going to be an ass about it i wouldnt have bothered to ask. much like your reaction to mike simmons my response to mike was my reaction to what i perceived as a shot at me to which i still feel there was to a certain degree. if you recall the dmax is 6.6l while the cummins currently is 5.9l. displacement is irrelevant to your earlier argument. your earlier stance was a power to weight ratio. now when that fails you throw in more criteria. the dmax is now all but maxed out on reliable power while the cummins 5.9 design could go quite a bit farther if not for emissions. if not for.....nice try! now with the 6.7l design not only can the cummins expand the amount of power it can do it without emissions problems. and what is going to withstand the power well enough for a factory warranty thus the cummins is superior in that it is at the low end of its power ability with the new design. the dmax is all but dmaxed out. the dmax is standing up quite well to power. check the 1000+ ft. lbs duramax in the video section of my website. http//inlinediesel.com/multimedia shall we also discuss the little detail you brought up why not lets talk about how an inline six you jeepers love them right is better at efficiency and torque from a given displacement than a v8 design of similar displacement. but there is a huge difference here in comparing the dmax to the cummins and comparing the jeep v6 to the jeep |6. the dmax makes its superior torque at the same 1600 rpm as the cummins. the jeep v6 is much higher than the jeep |6. the dmax is defying the inherent nature of a diesel engine and quite honestly its doing it quite well! i wont own one.....i like the inline 6 of the cummins....but ill still give the dmax every bit of credit that it deserves. that you wont once again shows that your importance is in your agenda. pictures of your truick prove nothing. i found no references to the lift pump. http//tinyurl.com/ybwqz8 now what max you just gonna snip it in hopes that it will go away do you trust what tom says i do. so with nearly 100k on the odo its a know problem lol that was mine. roys was much lower in fact i think he said the average was around 12k. do you trust what roy says max i do. the fuel pump was still good but cummins replaced it anyway just incase cummins advisors words since my warranty was so close to expiration. so it died or it was replaced as a preventitive measure spin or backpedal apparently the almighty max needs to learn the difference in a lift pump and an injection pump. my lift pump was bad and replaced. my injector pump was replaced just in case another reason im so loyal to cummins their customer service!. i could explain the difference to you in the lift and injeciton pumps but youll spin off it instead of acknowledging. therefore based on the truth ive told you it is neither spin or backpedal. it is truth only you dont seem to realize the difference in the lift pump and the injection pump. i dont take forum debate as statistical evidence. who said anything about debate its owners helping owners. ......of course i wouldnt expect you to accept anything outside your agenda regardless of merit. its not blind denial its a request for facts. which i have given you only you refuse to acknowledge anything outside your own box. i wont take the word of a bunch of campers or regulars here in reference to a failure rate thats called known pervasive or any other description. ok i guess tom is full of shit as far as youre concerned then. http//tinyurl.com/ybwqz8 come up with statistical evidence and ill address that number. lol no you wont youll spin off it. failing to provide proof will get you the reply ive given. its not loyalty nor stupidity. its a lack of facts on your part that leads to my conclusions. uh-huh.....just like you can get the cummins in the f450/f550 according to you as well as a 650 ft. lb cummins in a dodge according to you. roll eyes so dc fucked up by putting the engine with a #5 cylinder problem in its truck... yes it was a fuck-up. any widespread issue is a fuck up. dc will fuck up if it removes the engine with a #5 cylinder problem from its truck lineup. pick one. i dont have to pick one its both. the latter being the larger fuck up. i dont even know what the #5 cylinder issue is only that i read about it a lot on the camper forums. are you and roy dreaming about statistical evidence yes that must be it. in fact roy emailed me a couple days ago and said hey lets fuck with max roll eyes interest rates are not too high or too low in terms of the federal reserve. they have risen in the last 2 years substantially and will only continue to rise with whats coming around the corner north korea another topic entirely.

From : mike simmons

gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. interesting my 2000 hasnt had a problem nor have any in the area. also im not alarmed. i cant believe you have been such an active member of this group for many many years and you seem surprised by this. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

you overstepped your bounds and reason. sheesh cut out the drama already. youre starting to sound like a girl. no girls have a lack of logic much like your statements about mike. get it straight. only whiney bitches would say something like you overstepped your bounds roll eyes sheesh grow a set. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump fai

From : nathan in montana

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike well now youve thrown down the gauntlet so to speak. ive also had one replaced on my 01.5. i bought it used in february 2004 with 49012 miles on it. the original owner claimed it to be all stock never modified in any way. i had my local mechanic look at it shortly thereafter and he didnt find any evidence of mods either. what he did find was low fuel pressure indicative of a bad lift pump. he did change it and i submitted his invoice for reimbursement. i heard nothing for a very long time and then got a phone call from dc. they refused to reimburse for labor and only for their cost for the lift pump $70.00. no amount of complaint or logic would sway them. nothing dc does now would persuade me to buy another from them. i have three dodge trucks and two chrysler product cars no more when these are gone. i saw a post on tdr about someone with a bluebird bus with a 5.9 cummins in it with lift pump problems. cummins takes care of their customers. dc weasels out of their problems. almost forgot dc contacted my local mechanic and asked him to send them the failed lift pump after refusing to pay for his labor. had i known before he sent it to them i would have delivered it personally up their ass. bastards. .

From : nathan in montana

bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes if one were to believe your statements on the crisis my truck would be the anomoly with no failure and no symptoms in over 70k miles. give it time. i told you that mine failed at 99990 or so miles. again ill refer to the vast number of trucks versus the failure rate. until we have a well founded rate of failure lift pump failure isnt the crisis its being made out to be. just do a google on this group for the word lift pump your agenda is stronger than your own truth. no my quest for facts eliminates knee jerk reactionary crap such as that for which you are known. that you would still argue this point without dont any research evident by the fact that you cannot acknowledge it validates my earlier statement. your agenda matters most to you facts be damned. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue yeah you need to do that but only if they contain proven information not just alarmist reaction. how about this quote from tom lawrence the only well-known weak link on those engines 98.5 to 02 24v engines is the factory lift pump. if/when that fails it kills your injector pump and thats a 4-figure repair bill. at a minimum install a fuel pressure gauge to monitor your fuel pressure so you can detect a failing lift pump before its too late. if it were me id immediately replace it with an aftermarket pump as well as install a pressure gauge. um......he said it was a weak link max. tom full of shit too see it for yourself at http//tinyurl.com/ybwqz8 perhaps you should read the entire thread so that you can continue to argue your ignorance. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy for the record the lift pump failures have been more prevalent that dc or cummins would like however when compared to the number of trucks sold with the cummins it is a statiscally small number. keep in mind that when the failure is yours it is a crisis since those puppies aint cheap. also keep in mind that most of the posts in tdr and elsewhere are about problems. no one takes the time to post about bad stuff not happening so the info on those sites are skewed to the failures. the people who are happy and have no probs are the silent majority! mike . 222 323974 kicdnvlaq8nz86jynz2dnuvzvgdnz2d@comcast.com you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. max not trying to provide statistical evidence. just a opinion based on my experience. this isnt a friggincourtroom. take a look at the tdr 2nd gen. 24 valve engine and transmission1998.5-2002 search lift pump failure. there are close to 400 posts concerning failures and no i didnt read them all.. if you remember dc changed the lift pump or at least the part#. could it have been because that a failed lift pump would cause the failure of a more expensive ip i dont know but they finally seem to have it fixed. now im reading and hearing about the pump in the tank. that aint a roadside r&r. time will tell. you and nate try to play nice.g roy .

From : max dodge

gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. interesting my 2000 hasnt had a problem nor have any in the area. also im not alarmed. my 2k went through 3. what really sucked is that a lot of dealers wouldnt stock them so you were down for a few days. youd be alarmed if your pump was gone and you were waiting with a foot of snow on the ground. thats why a lot of us carried a spare. while we are at it there has been a few posts about the in tank pump going away. take a look over at the tdr. roy max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. which should tell you all you need to know about how common the issue was/is. it sure does... all those places were performance outlets catering to those thta were making more power than the factory lift pump was designed to feed. iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. roy .

From : max dodge

rubbish. chrysler was saved from bankruptcy by a billion bucks in loan guarantees. the k-car helped but the minivan set the course for future success. and if you read your history books youll find that lee iacocca sold the loan guarantees on the fact that he had a design in hand that was so versitile and efficient it would sell well and save costs in manufacturing. iow in the question of which came first the k-car or the billion dollars in loans its clearly the k-car and the business plan built around it. thus no k-car no loans. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. rubbish. chrysler was saved from bankruptcy by the k-car. rubbish. chrysler was saved from bankruptcy by a billion bucks in loan guarantees. the k-car helped but the minivan set the course for future success. .

From : chris thompson

i have a 96 ram 1500 with ac and have little or no heat. i replaced the thermostat and flushed the system and get very little if any heat. odd thing is when i turn the defrost on it will blow cold air. any ideas as to what the problem or problems could be mrblues .

From : max dodge

you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. i dont know everything but i know a bunch of bullshit when i see it..... incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue but you havent posted any facts on the lp issue. ive got two opinions yours and roys. neither of you has statistical evidence to prove your assumptions correct. in fact you claim your lp was replaced at 99990 hardly a known problem at that mileage. then you claim it was replaced as preventitive maintenance so it hadnt in fact failed. either way its not a design flaw to have a pump fail at nearly 100k nor is it a design flaw to have it replaced at nearly 100k as preventitive maintenance. bullshit. clue max opinions are just that opinions. opinions are not formed of fact else they would be facts. opinions should be based on fact otherwise they are bullshit. since you have just shown a basic flaw in your understanding of how opinions and facts relate to one another i feel confident in my assumption that you are once again throwing bullshit around. ......holy shit and you used to be a teacher no but thats been a general assumption by many of you. but teachers do require facts not conjecture evidence not opinion. just the same as lawyers judges and interestingly enough cops and the accused. apparently joe sixpack only needs a reason to talk and hell say anything. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author no you have over estimated it. just as you have underestimated it. the numbers speak for themselves even if you would ignore them. you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue you are trying to distract attention from your failure to bring facts to bear in forming an opinion. bullshit. clue max opinions are just that opinions. opinions are not formed of fact else they would be facts. ......holy shit and you used to be a teacher -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

i can only guess max this is my opinion that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. but nate you have countless times said that the dmax was the superior engine just look at its hp rating..... so which was your above statement backpedal or spin -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application. if so i dont see why the nv5600 and g56 have been holding up well on the bombed trucks as far as i know. autos are always a problem with performance upgrades but obviously they can be built to hold the power so why dodge wouldnt build it that way from the factory to accomodate the new engine i wouldnt know. i can only guess max this is my opinion that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. wow thats less power and the same torque as my 05. i said the same thing...im waiting to see if in a year or 2 it doesnt get unleashed to what cummins claims. that would be sweet to see but i think dodge would have to rebuild a lot of the truck around it. im guessing but could it be an auto trans issue holding it back that would be my guess although i was told that the stock 48re was good for 850 ft. lbs. by the tranny tech at my local dodge dealership. i didnt post that to debunk max i understand completely.......i just couldnt give up the opportunity to show the omnipotent one that even he can be wrong sometimes. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

spin my ass. i took you at your literal statement. then you would do well to read all the words not just those you wish to hear or spin. sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. this was in reference to germans in general not a single individual. i was referencing d/c marketing and z in particular to which you responded. never did i reference germans in general. moving on.... fair enough. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author thats funny. even you admitted to his arrogance in your original reply to me. incorrect and taken out of context. nice spin but expected.... spin my ass. i took you at your literal statement. sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. this was in reference to germans in general not a single individual. i was referencing d/c marketing and z in particular to which you responded. never did i reference germans in general. moving on.... fair enough. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

you made the statement. if i knew you were going to be an ass about it i wouldnt have bothered to ask. much like your reaction to mike simmons and how is that superior to the dmax which is doing it at less weight it was afterall you who made the big deal about more power from less weight or does that only apply to the argument when you are using it to your benefit if you recall the dmax is 6.6l while the cummins currently is 5.9l. the dmax is now all but maxed out on reliable power while the cummins 5.9 design could go quite a bit farther if not for emissions. now with the 6.7l design not only can the cummins expand the amount of power it can do it without emissions problems. thus the cummins is superior in that it is at the low end of its power ability with the new design. the dmax is all but dmaxed out. shall we also discuss the little detail you brought up why not lets talk about how an inline six you jeepers love them right is better at efficiency and torque from a given displacement than a v8 design of similar displacement. thus as lone as the dmax is a v8 and the cummins is an inline six the cummins will be superior in design. with less moving parts and a longer durability record the inline design will always be better than a v8 unless you plan to rev the crap out of the engine in which case you should stick to the ohc v8 motors. simply put the dmax is defying the inherent nature of a diesel engine and at some pointin the evolution of uprates the design wont stand up to the power expectations. it proves that the issue was not limited to modified trucks as you ridiculously claim. pictures of your truick prove nothing. i found no references to the lift pump. my truck was 100% stock and the lp died at around 99990 miles or so. so with nearly 100k on the odo its a know problem lol the fuel pump was still good but cummins replaced it anyway just incase cummins advisors words since my warranty was so close to expiration. so it died or it was replaced as a preventitive measure spin or backpedal lol.....youre in such blinding denial that it shows just how full of shit your entire argument is. go into the camping forums and tell the nice folks there your totally ridiculous statement about lps being limited to modified trucks and how failures were rare amongst stock trucks. i dont take forum debate as statistical evidence. its not blind denial its a request for facts. i wont take the word of a bunch of campers or regulars here in reference to a failure rate thats called known pervasive or any other description. come up with statistical evidence and ill address that number. im really disappointed in you max. you always are nothing new there. its almost a badge of honor to hear that.... except i really dont care. to disagree is one thing. to argue a point when everyone reading knows better shows youre either completely stupid i dont believe that or blinded by loyalty of some kind. regardless you sir are completely wrong on this issue. failing to provide proof will get you the reply ive given. its not loyalty nor stupidity. its a lack of facts on your part that leads to my conclusions. the number five cylinder isnt a dc fuckup no matter how ya cut it. try again. if it was in a d/c truck honored by a d/c warranty like it or not it is ultimately a d/c fuck up. you try again. so dc fucked up by putting the engine with a #5 cylinder problem in its truck... or..... dc will fuck up if it removes the engine with a #5 cylinder problem from its truck lineup. pick one. oh yes. now you have releases and tech articles limiting lp failures to modified trucks is roy dreaming about carrying spares around are you and roy dreaming about statistical evidence or does one of you have a failure rate sheesh....grow up. sage advice from one who should follow same. not yet and hopefully they wont. they are hardly the profitable company you suggest though. until this year they were the only profitable company and this year only the chrysler end of the company is struggling and not so badly at that. flash for you the economy isnt weak. flash for you. the economy is weakening. sorry its not. one only need look at the fed and the actions it takes. no action means the economy is balanced in a normal rate of growth. actually the fed declined to raise interest rates the last time they met..... catch a paper in the last month not raising it does not mean that it isnt to high. its still much higher than 2 years ago. interest rates are not too high or too low in terms of the federal reserve. they are a limiting or accelerating factor in the economic growth. no action means the economy is growing at a steady rate. lowering them would indicate a sagging economy raising them would mean an inflationary economy. either condition is a weak economy. but we dont have either of

From : max dodge

bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes if one were to believe your statements on the crisis my truck would be the anomoly with no failure and no symptoms in over 70k miles. when you wont even acknowledge known truths it taints your entire argument. again ill refer to the vast number of trucks versus the failure rate. until we have a well founded rate of failure lift pump failure isnt the crisis its being made out to be. your agenda is stronger than your own truth. no my quest for facts eliminates knee jerk reactionary crap such as that for which you are known. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue yeah you need to do that but only if they contain proven information not just alarmist reaction. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes when you wont even acknowledge known truths it taints your entire argument. your agenda is stronger than your own truth. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : craig c

im surprised you havent interjected your reset theory wherein the trans drops out of gear during upshifts. it would fit this situation perfectly. since the op notes that its starting to slip on the 1-2 shift as well i meant to say rear clutch pack. the front clutch pack would have nothing to do with the 1-2 shift slipping. did it occur to you that there could be multiple problems a loose front band in conjunction with a faulty front clutch would explain the symptoms as would a clogged filter. a slipping rear clutch would affect 1st gear also. further if the front pack were slipping hed have said something about reverse slipping not clunking. a front clutch that slips at normal forward line pressure will often engage in reverse because the line pressure increases by a factor of three or more in reverse. of course you already knew that this could also explain the clunk a leaking clutch would tend to apply suddenly rather than smoothly. i would recommend the op remove the pan check the filter and adjust both bands. try adjusting the front band. if that doesnt do it and im guessing it wont your rear clutch pack is worn. . of course you meant to say front clutch pack. ive been having some issues with the automatic transmission on my 96 dodge van recently. it has a v8 motor with a 3 speed automatic transmission and ac. the transmission seems to slip when going into the top gear the slip seems to start around 28-30 mph and it doesnt fully engage until around 38-40 mph lifting my foot from the gas seems to help the shift. it has also started to slip a little when going from 1st to second gear and will occasionally clunk into reverse when i shift. ive checked the tranny fluid and it seems to be at or near the correct level. can anyone suggest what the problem might be best regards. bed . 222 323957 g18zg.108323$aj.35075@attbis21 i have a 96 ram 1500 with ac and have little or no heat. i replaced the thermostat and flushed the system and get very little if any heat. odd thing is when i turn the defrost on it will blow cold air. any ideas as to what the problem or problems could be your heater core may be plugged...do you ever get steam on the inside of your windshield if you do the heater core has a leak. .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 185759 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote i finally had a chance to use the garmin c550 we bought a few weeks ago. great little addition. directions are nuts on the voice is clear the menu is real user friendly the screen is sharp and clear both day and night. looks like ill be able to find the rabbit real easy.g the problem will be prying him away from the machine long enough for him to buy me that dinner.bfg roy no problems as long as i give you the right address... ive had your address. and it aint the one in the carrot patch.vbg you know that i now live in a suburb of dayton now right vbfg you come up here in snow season and i may just put your ass to work.. nah youll be plowing for snow fool.g getting ready for my last friggin year of snow plowing. 38 years of it is more than enuff. i say that now. but if this shoulder doesnt get better sue will be behind the wheel when it snows. had to have her hook on and move the blade out in the open saturday. actually shes pretty good with it. roy snow whats that mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 110155 -0700 azwiley1 azwiley1@cox.net wrote hey!! there is no reason you need to leave this group just because you finally got a case of the smarts and bought a realy truck. vbg oh glad to read ya got rid of the girly girl chevy truck and bought a manly truck!gbmfg roy still got my chevy and it has more miles and less problems then my 97 ram did when i traded it in for the chevy! thats because you had less angry mobs to run from when you drove the ram... *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : tom lawrence

with a slidein i know my wife would never go they just dont have the room. and ive got to consider her comfort too. they have some really nice once and some really big ones. if it was just me and the wifey what i have now would be perfect. if i didnt want this to be family events id get a slidein for me and the boys. like i said me and tara have looked at slide-ins and came to the decision that they even with the slides dont have the room she wants. another snag with a slide-in is my truck is a 2500 it doesnt take a whole lot of slidein to be pushing upper limits of payload capacity. i know i wouldnt be able to tow the boat and camper tandem 30 foot of boat trailer behind 30 foot of camper is probably a little excessive the golf cart or a motorcycle or a sidebyside would be more what id like to take along. heck even jet skis could roll up in and avoid the whole tandem thing. i didnt even think about a boat. would be awful tough there without going tandem or a truck camper. if its just you and the wife perhaps you should consider some of the larger truck campers with slide outs. i didnt go that route because as the wife and i travel we take turns driving while the other sleeps in the camper. with the slide outs slidden in it takes up to much room and blocks bathroom access etc. well that was one of the reasons we got the diesel liberty. it has the trailer tow capacity to pull the boat. and does it fairly well atleast as well as you can expect a small truck to handle that size trailer. we have used it on the past couple of holiday weekends to launch the boat at the local lake. its much easier to park that combonation in a overly crowded launch parking lot than it is with the lwb dodge. let me know how it works out for you if you would. id be interested to know how the family likes it when they are using it as a camper ect. will do. that earthroamer sure would be nice with a cummins! - thanks man and yea that looks like a nice rig....if only it had a good engine *grin* -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

but on this dodge link dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab and chassis truck. the c&c truck is definitely a de-tuned engine because of the transmission options. starting in january the regular 2500/3500 pickups will be available with the 350/650 engine when equipped with the new 68rfe auto. 6spd manuals will still be 325/610 i believe. oh and btw - the dmax is also de-tuned in manual trans configurations too .

From : chris thompson

how about a place to download the service manual for a 1996 ram anyone know of a site that has that year thanks dmso .

From : nathan in montana

see my problem is i dont need another truck to license be taxed on and maintain. gotcha. i on the other hand enjoy doing just that for some damn reason. - with a slidein i know my wife would never go they just dont have the room. and ive got to consider her comfort too. they have some really nice once and some really big ones. if it was just me and the wifey what i have now would be perfect. i know i wouldnt be able to tow the boat and camper tandem 30 foot of boat trailer behind 30 foot of camper is probably a little excessive the golf cart or a motorcycle or a sidebyside would be more what id like to take along. heck even jet skis could roll up in and avoid the whole tandem thing. i didnt even think about a boat. would be awful tough there without going tandem or a truck camper. if its just you and the wife perhaps you should consider some of the larger truck campers with slide outs. i didnt go that route because as the wife and i travel we take turns driving while the other sleeps in the camper. with the slide outs slidden in it takes up to much room and blocks bathroom access etc. let me know how it works out for you if you would. id be interested to know how the family likes it when they are using it as a camper ect. will do. that earthroamer sure would be nice with a cummins! - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : chris thompson

see my problem is i dont need another truck to license be taxed on and maintain. with a slidein i know my wife would never go they just dont have the room. and ive got to consider her comfort too. i know i wouldnt be able to tow the boat and camper tandem 30 foot of boat trailer behind 30 foot of camper is probably a little excessive the golf cart or a motorcycle or a sidebyside would be more what id like to take along. heck even jet skis could roll up in and avoid the whole tandem thing. let me know how it works out for you if you would. id be interested to know how the family likes it when they are using it as a camper ect. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : nathan in montana

well this is a little off this topic but a while back you asked about a toy hauler.. how did that turn out im still looking but decided to wait until november/december. camper dealers are more willing to deal when its 10 below zero like snowmobile dealers are more willing to deal in june. - im curious as to how functional they are for family camping. as i am torn between the toy haulers or a more conventinal 5ver when i get ready to get one. still a few years away though i guess it depends most upon your toys. if it werent for my 4 wheelers i wouldnt go camping nearly as much so without them i really wouldnt even need a camper at all. i like going up into the mountains setting up the camper and hitting the trail. if you have toys you need a toy hauler unless you plan on pulling tandem trailers. in all reality the truck camper works best for the places i go but its just not quite big enough for when the whole family comes along. i could upgrade to a bigger truck camper but it still wouldnt be big enough. id really like to just get a class c camper and pull my enclosed trailer with it but class c 4x4s are rare and really over-priced. that said and to keep on topic if the earth roamer based on a 4x4 f550 http//earthroamer.com/maintruck/vehicles.html gets the cummins ill spend the $200000 on one. - .......see i did tie that in to be on topic. lol -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

anyone know much about these tires used them etc.. .

From : nathan in montana

stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. nothing to add just felt it worthy of quoting. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

you overstepped your bounds and reason. sheesh cut out the drama already. youre starting to sound like a girl. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : chris thompson

well this is a little off this topic but a while back you asked about a toy hauler.. how did that turn out im curious as to how functional they are for family camping. as i am torn between the toy haulers or a more conventinal 5ver when i get ready to get one. still a few years away though and to stay with the topic of this thread *grin* if ford and dodge both used the cummins isb id still drive the dodge! -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : nathan in montana

apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application. if so i dont see why the nv5600 and g56 have been holding up well on the bombed trucks as far as i know. autos are always a problem with performance upgrades but obviously they can be built to hold the power so why dodge wouldnt build it that way from the factory to accomodate the new engine i wouldnt know. i can only guess max this is my opinion that it would be to keep the warranty claims down. its a real shame we all know the cummins is built far better than the d-max and as far as the engine it can handle a lot more. perhaps chevy is just willing to take the hit on the warranty claims in order to lay claim to having the most powerful diesel. wow thats less power and the same torque as my 05. i said the same thing...im waiting to see if in a year or 2 it doesnt get unleashed to what cummins claims. that would be sweet to see but i think dodge would have to rebuild a lot of the truck around it. im guessing but could it be an auto trans issue holding it back that would be my guess although i was told that the stock 48re was good for 850 ft. lbs. by the tranny tech at my local dodge dealership. i didnt post that to debunk max i understand completely.......i just couldnt give up the opportunity to show the omnipotent one that even he can be wrong sometimes. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : chris thompson

sure why find it on your own.... http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp i find this interesting because dodge and cummins dont seem to agree on engine power output. on the cummins link above they claim 350hp and 650 torque on the 6.7 http//www.dodge.com/en/chassiscab/index.html but on this dodge link dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab and chassis truck. apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application. if so i dont see why the nv5600 and g56 have been holding up well on the bombed trucks as far as i know. autos are always a problem with performance upgrades but obviously they can be built to hold the power so why dodge wouldnt build it that way from the factory to accomodate the new engine i wouldnt know. ok what now max sorta really blows your argument out of the water. now the dmax on paper is far superior making way more torque at the same rpm from a lighter engine. wow thats less power and the same torque as my 05. i said the same thing...im waiting to see if in a year or 2 it doesnt get unleashed to what cummins claims. im guessing but could it be an auto trans issue holding it back or maybe who ever wrote the code for their website has the info wrong or heaven forbid any one do this typod. i dont know thats just merely speculation on my part. .....now im not about to jump from my cummins to any dmax but once again it does show the merit of maxs argument. i dont blame you. i didnt post that to debunk max i was just posting a curious controdiction between the 2 companies websites as i had noticed it months ago. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

sure why find it on your own.... http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp i find this interesting because dodge and cummins dont seem to agree on engine power output. on the cummins link above they claim 350hp and 650 torque on the 6.7 http//www.dodge.com/en/chassiscab/index.html but on this dodge link dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab and chassis truck. apparently dodge requires the engine be detuned for their application. ok what now max sorta really blows your argument out of the water. now the dmax on paper is far superior making way more torque at the same rpm from a lighter engine. wow thats less power and the same torque as my 05. ......now im not about to jump from my cummins to any dmax but once again it does show the merit of maxs argument. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

sure why find it on your own.... http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp i find this interesting because dodge and cummins dont seem to agree on engine power output. on the cummins link above they claim 350hp and 650 torque on the 6.7 http//www.dodge.com/en/chassiscab/index.html but on this dodge link dodge is claiming 305hp and 610 torque on a 6.7 cab and chassis truck. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins what ive seen is below the dmax published numbers. if youve something that shows otherwise please share it. sure why find it on your own.... http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp the 6.7l engine delivers more horsepower and more torque in an envelope size comparable to the 5.9l engine it replaces. the horsepower and torque rating increase from 325 horsepower to 350 and 610 lb-ft to 650 lb-ft respectively. .

From : nathan in montana

no you have over estimated it. just as you have underestimated it. the numbers speak for themselves even if you would ignore them. you have to provide the profit margin from each. it shouldnt be to hard for you since you know every goddamn thing in the world max. incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. i stated my opinion on the topic at hand and the facts are irrefutable such as the lp issue you are trying to distract attention from your failure to bring facts to bear in forming an opinion. bullshit. clue max opinions are just that opinions. opinions are not formed of fact else they would be facts. .......holy shit and you used to be a teacher -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

thats funny. even you admitted to his arrogance in your original reply to me. incorrect and taken out of context. nice spin but expected.... spin my ass. i took you at your literal statement. sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. this was in reference to germans in general not a single individual. i was referencing d/c marketing and z in particular to which you responded. never did i reference germans in general. moving on.... fair enough. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. bullshit. i suppose my totally stock 01.5 was some sort of anomaly. rolling eyes when you wont even acknowledge known truths it taints your entire argument. your agenda is stronger than your own truth. thats sad max especially considering how known this issue is. need i drag up the archives of when i posted this problem in here from late 04 where many in the know discussed the known issue -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

sure why find it on your own.... you made the statement. if i knew you were going to be an ass about it i wouldnt have bothered to ask. http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp the 6.7l engine delivers more horsepower and more torque in an envelope size comparable to the 5.9l engine it replaces. the horsepower and torque rating increase from 325 horsepower to 350 and 610 lb-ft to 650 lb-ft respectively. and how is that superior to the dmax which is doing it at less weight it was afterall you who made the big deal about more power from less weight or does that only apply to the argument when you are using it to your benefit i said and listed d/c fuck ups. i never limited my original statement to truck design. nor would i expect you to limit your statements to fact. nope! you arent going to turn that on me. i made general statements and you responded to them. when i called you on it you try to spin your way off your own statements by throwing personal insults. nice try. of course if you didnt try to backpeddle and spin you wouldnt be the max we have all grown to know and love. - according to the cummins rep that authorized the warranty replacement of both my lift and fuel pump i think it was around $1600 on my 01.5 cummins powered dodge ram. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/2gen/1/index.html great pics of your truck this proves...... more to the point why would/should i accept a reference from a website that you write/own it proves that the issue was not limited to modified trucks as you ridiculously claim. my truck was 100% stock and the lp died at around 99990 miles or so. the fuel pump was still good but cummins replaced it anyway just incase cummins advisors words since my warranty was so close to expiration. dont sugar coat it max as it only hinders your credibility. the problem was indeed rampant. the cummins rep told me that it was more a matter of when than if. got proof or just the random ramblings of a guy trying to make you happy lol.....youre in such blinding denial that it shows just how full of shit your entire argument is. go into the camping forums and tell the nice folks there your totally ridiculous statement about lps being limited to modified trucks and how failures were rare amongst stock trucks. im really disappointed in you max. to disagree is one thing. to argue a point when everyone reading knows better shows youre either completely stupid i dont believe that or blinded by loyalty of some kind. regardless you sir are completely wrong on this issue. the number five cylinder isnt a dc fuckup no matter how ya cut it. try again. if it was in a d/c truck honored by a d/c warranty like it or not it is ultimately a d/c fuck up. you try again. only my opinion is backed by marketing analysis readily available in releases and technical articles and yours is...... well yours. oh yes. now you have releases and tech articles limiting lp failures to modified trucks is roy dreaming about carrying spares around tired of the jeep attitude sheesh....grow up. right... low rpm torque that the rest of us who pull trailers haul loads go off road and count on power to insure a smooth work day wouldnt know about. i never said shit about truck owners. i was referencing what the v6 does to jeepers. right. but dc isnt cutting executives and restructuring the company like ford not yet and hopefully they wont. they are hardly the profitable company you suggest though. flash for you the economy isnt weak. flash for you. the economy is weakening. actually the fed declined to raise interest rates the last time they met..... catch a paper in the last month not raising it does not mean that it isnt to high. its still much higher than 2 years ago. just because you made bad financial decisions doesnt mean the country is in a bad economy. sheesh there you go. at the time it wasnt a bad financial decision but either way its no big deal. some of us earn enough to soak it up. some of us dont have to wait on an inheritance to buy new trucks. some of us do what we have to in order to maintain our lifestyle but paying interest will always hurt. if you disregard what the kcar did for chrysler over the decade after its release you fail to take into account the true scope of the design impact. all i said was that it fell as fast as it rose. taking whats left and making other cars from the parts isnt the same thing as the k car doing it for the company. but hey why bother with all the facts when a certain few will do the job heh.....its never stopped you before i dont know why i would expect different of you now. they havent exactly dominated sales in the 650 and up market either. of course i guess the freightliner fl series with the mercedes diesel is a player in that market. tho

From : max dodge

i agree that the styling sold trucks. however disregard the first couple of years because back then dodge was the only truck with the cool retro look. ford redesigned thier trucks in 99 so lets start around 2000. i believe that the cummins was a major boost for the dodge line. when i read the camping forums i dont hear anyone talking about the looks of todays dodge........only the cummins engine. ok so rather than look at the facts lets limit the exposure to those facts so the stuff directly inside the window is the only reference. everything else doesnt count. yup no real change here its the same nate. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ok heres the facts.... in 1993 the last year of the d-series dodge sold some 78000 pickup trucks gas and diesel. in 1994 the first year for the br they sold some 140000 pickups gas and diesel.... almost twice the number! it had nothing to do with cummins... as others have attempted to tell you it was the styling! i agree that the styling sold trucks. however disregard the first couple of years because back then dodge was the only truck with the cool retro look. ford redesigned thier trucks in 99 so lets start around 2000. i believe that the cummins was a major boost for the dodge line. when i read the camping forums i dont hear anyone talking about the looks of todays dodge........only the cummins engine. last year my 2006 the cummins engine accounted for some 70% of the build in the dr2500/3500 series but the dr1500 all gassers btw greatly outsold the heavies. certainly.......but. marketing is built upon a flagship. the jeep rubicon for example is the flagship jeep. many cant afford a rubicon so they buy the cheaper model wranglers. the rubicon also sells cheaper wranglers. now im not suggesting this is why so many 1500s are sold but it does play a part. the cummins dodge has an awesome reputation.....just read the camper forums.....and this makes the entire dodge truck line more appealing to many. the magic of marketing. perhaps i overestimate the value of cummins to dodge and perhaps you underestimate it.....but i dont think dodge would be where they are without it. finally do you really believe that dc will drop cummins just because you hear rumors not at all. i didnt say they would drop cummins. i said if they do it will be their biggest fuck up. you may dislike em but the folks at dc aint stupid. i dont buy vehicles based on personal feelings toward some that much should be obvious since ive bought 5 new new vehicles from them since. as i said in my ealier post you are overreacting to scuttlebutt sir! i dont understand how forming an opinion is an overreaction. i may be an asshole but you have jumped ship on this one. it seems i misread your intentions mike. im sorry about that. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

im not taking away from the restyle i know it sold trucks. it put the dodge truck on the map. the profit margin however is much higher on a diesel. not to mention the number of 1500 trucks sold due to the reputation of the cummins powered dodge. yes im possibly overestimating the level of the contribution of the cummins just as you are underestimating it. no you have over estimated it. plainly put the sales of cummins trucks did not increase with the restyle while the sales of all rams did increase with the restyling. as such cummins did not sell more trucks in the way that a complete restyling did. the numbers speak for themselves even if you would ignore them. a red herring implies that im trying to distract the conversation. hardly. im simply adding to it. the entire conversation read the title is hypothetical. no red herring. incorrect. you made statements of fact that are easily proven incorrect. bringing another variable into the discussion does exactly what you say it does... you are trying to distract attention from your failure to bring facts to bear in forming an opinion. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author clearly the cummins option sold less after the restyling while truck sales were 2.5 times as many. the restyle sold more trucks than the cummins option. im not taking away from the restyle i know it sold trucks. it put the dodge truck on the map. the profit margin however is much higher on a diesel. not to mention the number of 1500 trucks sold due to the reputation of the cummins powered dodge. yes im possibly overestimating the level of the contribution of the cummins just as you are underestimating it. who cares this is a red herring. a red herring implies that im trying to distract the conversation. hardly. im simply adding to it. the entire conversation read the title is hypothetical. no red herring. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. which should tell you all you need to know about how common the issue was/is. it sure does... all those places were performance outlets catering to those thta were making more power than the factory lift pump was designed to feed. iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. gotta disagree with you there. stock trucks lpss were failing at a alarming rate. iirc 15k was the average. most of us carried a spare. sure those with mods failed quicker. roy .

From : nathan in montana

its in order to do so. i think id like to see what mike has to say. i think he deserves an apology no matter what he says. you overstepped your bounds and reason. man up and do the right thing. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author its in order to do so. i think id like to see what mike has to say. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins what ive seen is below the dmax published numbers. if youve something that shows otherwise please share it. sure why find it on your own.... http//www.everytime.cummins.com/every//release83.jsp the 6.7l engine delivers more horsepower and more torque in an envelope size comparable to the 5.9l engine it replaces. the horsepower and torque rating increase from 325 horsepower to 350 and 610 lb-ft to 650 lb-ft respectively. thats not a failure of truck design or capability. i said and listed d/c fuck ups. i never limited my original statement to truck design. nor would i expect you to limit your statements to fact. according to the cummins rep that authorized the warranty replacement of both my lift and fuel pump i think it was around $1600 on my 01.5 cummins powered dodge ram. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/2gen/1/index.html great pics of your truck this proves...... more to the point why would/should i accept a reference from a website that you write/own dont sugar coat it max as it only hinders your credibility. the problem was indeed rampant. the cummins rep told me that it was more a matter of when than if. got proof or just the random ramblings of a guy trying to make you happy i keep hearing something about the #5 cylinder. so is the cummins the best engine or are you busy proving your claim that you bought for the cummins a poor decision i dont know how you got this out of what i said max. youre acting like i said something mean about your mother. sheesh. ive already stated that i would buy another cummins before i bought another dodge. i dont care who got cummins thats who i would buy from. that does not blind me however to their fuck-ups over time. the number five cylinder isnt a dc fuckup no matter how ya cut it. try again. well this is just where well have to disagree. we are afterall arguing opinion. only my opinion is backed by marketing analysis readily available in releases and technical articles and yours is...... well yours. we do understand we dont fucking care. bitter max no. more like tired of the jeep attitude that somehow we that drive pickups dont know about engine design. what exactly would i be bitter about ......and besides i wasnt even referencing the jeep thing. i was referencing a jeepers need for torque at low rpm for rock crawling. right... low rpm torque that the rest of us who pull trailers haul loads go off road and count on power to insure a smooth work day wouldnt know about. theyre all hurting max. even dodge sales are down. right. but dc isnt cutting executives and restructuring the company like ford nor is dc selling off divisions that are guaranteed moneymakers in the locomotive and finance markets like gm. hurting is one thing having your stock devalued to junk status is quite another. dc isnt there but ford and gm stock has been at bargain basement prices for the better part of a year. as the economy continues to weaken flash for you the economy isnt weak. in fact unemployment is at a reasonable if not low level. those of us who are working are not lacking for work and arent in the least bit worried about our jobs being phased out. expect things to get even worse for the big 3. their vehicles are priced out of reach for most and only continue to get more expensive in a time when interest rates are rising. actually the fed declined to raise interest rates the last time they met..... catch a paper in the last month im due to refinance my house in a couple months goddamn arm that was such a good idea when i bought the place! and its gonna hurt. just because you made bad financial decisions doesnt mean the country is in a bad economy. the kcar was a big hit certianly but it died as fast as it rose. sadly... you are wrong. the k platform served for over ten years finding itself under sports cars luxury cars and minivans. im not talking about the cross platform components. you mentioned the k car. if you disregard what the kcar did for chrysler over the decade after its release you fail to take into account the true scope of the design impact. but hey why bother with all the facts when a certain few will do the job the fact is the k platform was under every fwd car they built in the 80s except the charger/omni. it was the basis for the lebaron coupe the minivans and all the k derivitives like the dodge 400 600 etc. iow nate you fail to understand the almost pervasive nature of the k platform. what it did for chrysler was provide a chassis that had more versitility than the pickup frames built by any of the big three. agreed.....although chevy really fucked that one up. no doubt about that. the new silverado actually looks decent... of course it looks like 1988 with a couple of nice ribs up the

From : nathan in montana

thats funny. even you admitted to his arrogance in your original reply to me. incorrect and taken out of context. nice spin but expected.... sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. this was in reference to germans in general not a single individual. why would you change your statement now i havent youve simply excised it from its context and tried to spin it to suit your needs. moving on.... -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author anyone claiming differently has something clouding their vision of the facts or has access to info they arent sharing. thats funny. even you admitted to his arrogance in your original reply to me. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com on the side of irony deiter is doing exactly what lee did and yet no complaints about lee. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. which should tell you all you need to know about how common the issue was/is. it sure does... all those places were performance outlets catering to those thta were making more power than the factory lift pump was designed to feed. iow the problem was found among those that modified their trucks much as i said it was. use all the information and youll find you get a better picture of reality. use pieces of it and you just might invade a middle eastern nation for no apparent reason. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author pray tell how were they cured i know of 3 years the damn things were going south on. there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. which should tell you all you need to know about how common the issue was/is. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com after the years there was a problem chrysler obviously solved the problem. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author it would be their only fuck up since going with the cummins in 88. no there have been others. giving up the bragging rights of being top dog in terms of torque to the duramax is one. what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins the chrysler/daimler merger is one. thats not a failure of truck design or capability. the rampant lift pump failure issue is one. rampant according to whom yeah failures were frequent on the modified trucks but even then it wasnt rampant. the lift pump failures that did occur were in early isb models and the problem was cured easily. pray tell how were they cured i know of 3 years the damn things were going south on. roy .

From : nathan in montana

clearly the cummins option sold less after the restyling while truck sales were 2.5 times as many. the restyle sold more trucks than the cummins option. im not taking away from the restyle i know it sold trucks. it put the dodge truck on the map. the profit margin however is much higher on a diesel. not to mention the number of 1500 trucks sold due to the reputation of the cummins powered dodge. yes im possibly overestimating the level of the contribution of the cummins just as you are underestimating it. who cares this is a red herring. a red herring implies that im trying to distract the conversation. hardly. im simply adding to it. the entire conversation read the title is hypothetical. no red herring. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

anyone claiming differently has something clouding their vision of the facts or has access to info they arent sharing. thats funny. even you admitted to his arrogance in your original reply to me. sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. why would you change your statement now -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com on the side of irony deiter is doing exactly what lee did and yet no complaints about lee. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

on mon 16 oct 2006 231610 gmt ed h. edo.hart@verizon.net wrote is that alison 1000 transmission ive seen theyre putting them in as an option on the gas engine. if so i would like to hear your impression of that combination. no it is a heavy duty option four speed transmission a $1000 upgrade over the stock transmission. the allison is only available for the 8.1 liter engine which has shitty fuel economy and i do not need that much engine. i just want everything -- engine transfer case transmission rear end etc -- to be very sturdy and honestly made. i on mon 16 oct 2006 092835 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. please let us know how the chevy holds up. did you go with the diesel ok i will post an update in a few years. it feels good as of right now though of course so did the dodge when i bought it up to a month ago when it went to hell. i did not go with the diesel. i bought a 2500hd with a 6 liter v8 gas engine a heavy duty transmission towing and snow plow prep package. crew cab four doors that all open in the same direction regular bed. a little basic on the interior but it has all i need. i .

From : nathan in montana

its in order to do so. i think id like to see what mike has to say. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

ok heres the facts.... in 1993 the last year of the d-series dodge sold some 78000 pickup trucks gas and diesel. in 1994 the first year for the br they sold some 140000 pickups gas and diesel.... almost twice the number! it had nothing to do with cummins... as others have attempted to tell you it was the styling! i agree that the styling sold trucks. however disregard the first couple of years because back then dodge was the only truck with the cool retro look. ford redesigned thier trucks in 99 so lets start around 2000. i believe that the cummins was a major boost for the dodge line. when i read the camping forums i dont hear anyone talking about the looks of todays dodge........only the cummins engine. last year my 2006 the cummins engine accounted for some 70% of the build in the dr2500/3500 series but the dr1500 all gassers btw greatly outsold the heavies. certainly.......but. marketing is built upon a flagship. the jeep rubicon for example is the flagship jeep. many cant afford a rubicon so they buy the cheaper model wranglers. the rubicon also sells cheaper wranglers. now im not suggesting this is why so many 1500s are sold but it does play a part. the cummins dodge has an awesome reputation.....just read the camper forums.....and this makes the entire dodge truck line more appealing to many. the magic of marketing. perhaps i overestimate the value of cummins to dodge and perhaps you underestimate it.....but i dont think dodge would be where they are without it. finally do you really believe that dc will drop cummins just because you hear rumors not at all. i didnt say they would drop cummins. i said if they do it will be their biggest fuck up. you may dislike em but the folks at dc aint stupid. i dont buy vehicles based on personal feelings toward some that much should be obvious since ive bought 5 new new vehicles from them since. as i said in my ealier post you are overreacting to scuttlebutt sir! i dont understand how forming an opinion is an overreaction. i may be an asshole but you have jumped ship on this one. it seems i misread your intentions mike. im sorry about that. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

i disagree. got any sales numbers we can argue opinion all we want but the sales numbers tell the tale. sales numbers were the very reason dodge restyled the ram. they had 7% of the market with half of those being diesels. figures for 1992 were 46471 cummins out of 74558 produced. in 1993 49226 cummins out of 75166 total. in 1994 after a restyling of the body cummins equipped trucks sold 44569 out of an astounding 195372. clearly the cummins option sold less after the restyling while truck sales were 2.5 times as many. the restyle sold more trucks than the cummins option. source http//dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/facts/dieselsales.htm i think the redesign in 94 was a great boost in sales but i do not believe it would have been as successful with any other diesel except perhaps a cat diesel. if any of the big three offered a caterpillar diesel this entire conversation is afterall hypothetical they would take the lions share of the market over night. who cares this is a red herring. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. i disagree. got any sales numbers we can argue opinion all we want but the sales numbers tell the tale. i think the redesign in 94 was a great boost in sales but i do not believe it would have been as successful with any other diesel except perhaps a cat diesel. if any of the big three offered a caterpillar diesel this entire conversation is afterall hypothetical they would take the lions share of the market over night. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

possibly i dont know mikes intentions but i would like to know how i could be accused of overreacting or blowing smoke in my personal opinion of someone that neither of us knows. i will apologize if its in order. its in order to do so. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. nate thats a bit harsh dont ya think or did i miss something again possibly i dont know mikes intentions but i would like to know how i could be accused of overreacting or blowing smoke in my personal opinion of someone that neither of us knows. i will apologize if its in order. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins what ive seen is below the dmax published numbers. if youve something that shows otherwise please share it. the chrysler/daimler merger is one. thats not a failure of truck design or capability. i said and listed d/c fuck ups. i never limited my original statement to truck design. the rampant lift pump failure issue is one. rampant according to whom according to the cummins rep that authorized the warranty replacement of both my lift and fuel pump i think it was around $1600 on my 01.5 cummins powered dodge ram. http//inlinediesel.com/trucks/2gen/1/index.html yeah failures were frequent on the modified trucks but even then it wasnt rampant. dont sugar coat it max as it only hinders your credibility. the problem was indeed rampant. the cummins rep told me that it was more a matter of when than if. the lift pump failures that did occur were in early isb models i dont think my 01.5 was an early model max. and the problem was cured easily. yeah a $1600 repair to anyone out of warranty. i keep hearing something about the #5 cylinder. so is the cummins the best engine or are you busy proving your claim that you bought for the cummins a poor decision i dont know how you got this out of what i said max. youre acting like i said something mean about your mother. sheesh. ive already stated that i would buy another cummins before i bought another dodge. i dont care who got cummins thats who i would buy from. that does not blind me however to their fuck-ups over time. ........besides wasnt the lift pump issue a dodge issue and not a cummins issue anyway dropping the jeep cherokee for the liberty is one. hardly well this is just where well have to disagree. we are afterall arguing opinion. killing the tj is one. see above. see above also. going with a v6 is one carries far more significance in jeep circles than truck groups. hardly. this jeep thing you hin at is rubbish. probably so......to you. we do understand we dont fucking care. bitter max .......and besides i wasnt even referencing the jeep thing. i was referencing a jeepers need for torque at low rpm for rock crawling. if we followed your criteria for fuckups ford and gm would be in worse shape than dc..... wait they are. i guess dc didnt fuck up all that badly. theyre all hurting max. even dodge sales are down. as the economy continues to weaken expect things to get even worse for the big 3. their vehicles are priced out of reach for most and only continue to get more expensive in a time when interest rates are rising. im due to refinance my house in a couple months goddamn arm that was such a good idea when i bought the place! and its gonna hurt. the kcar was a big hit certianly but it died as fast as it rose. sadly... you are wrong. the k platform served for over ten years finding itself under sports cars luxury cars and minivans. im not talking about the cross platform components. you mentioned the k car. styling was the major impact on the marketplace as evidenced by gm and ford copycat design in the late 90s. agreed.....although chevy really fucked that one up. ford has had the cummins in the 450 and up models for some time. wrong. you can only get the cummins in the 650/750. not the 450. it hasnt worked yet theyve had the 450 and up market to themselves gm and dodge dont market a pickup in that segment. if ford isnt successful there with a cummins its hard to say where they would be. they dont sell the cummins in the 450. or the 550. todays duramax is consistantly getting better mileage than todays cummins and its producing more power with less weight yet its popularity is dying. wonder why its in the design not the marketing. the design is what works. the marketing is what sells. sometimes the design plays a major role in the marketing but not in this case. on paper the duramax is the superior design more power more torque at the same rpm less weight but the cummins name will outsell it due to the marketing of the cummins name. your example proves my point and kills your argument. only if you arent paying attention or are blinded by an agenda. german diesels are better designed than hybrid japanese americans. probably so but again its the marketing that sells to the consumer. at the prices of todays pickups joe sixpak has a degree or two owns his own busines or works for a large corporation and knows a bit about who makes a good engine. joe six-pack doesnt imply an illiterate unemployed red neck. i own my own business have purchased 6 brand new chrysler trucks/suvs and one used chrysler truck in the past 7 years. i am exactly what daimler chrysler depends on......a returning customer. despite considering myse

From : max dodge

f-650 and up... never offered in the 450/550 due to dcs exclusivity contract w/ cummins my mistake i thought that contract covered only matching gvwrs. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ford has had the cummins in the 450 and up models for some time. f-650 and up... never offered in the 450/550 due to dcs exclusivity contract w/ cummins .

From : max dodge

pray tell how were they cured i know of 3 years the damn things were going south on. there were several places that retro-fit kits could be had. after the years there was a problem chrysler obviously solved the problem. -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author it would be their only fuck up since going with the cummins in 88. no there have been others. giving up the bragging rights of being top dog in terms of torque to the duramax is one. what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins the chrysler/daimler merger is one. thats not a failure of truck design or capability. the rampant lift pump failure issue is one. rampant according to whom yeah failures were frequent on the modified trucks but even then it wasnt rampant. the lift pump failures that did occur were in early isb models and the problem was cured easily. pray tell how were they cured i know of 3 years the damn things were going south on. roy .

From : mike simmons

dc and cummins just entered into a long-term agreement for a new ld diesel for pickups and suvs... see the cummins website. also the 6.7l isb was developed mainly for dc so it is doubtful that dc will drop the md cummins anytime soon. when i visited the cummins mrd plant in columbus in august they were already working on some new stuff for dc which is a good sign that dc and cummins will remain together. excellent . im hopeful that the newer versions of the b series solve the emissions problems without a triple shot of fuel. finally dieter zietsche is anything but arrogant! anyone who knows the man will tell you the same. methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. what makes ya think that -- max join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. it would be their only fuck up since going with the cummins in 88. since then the truck line has consistantly grown in sales until the recent fuel pricing. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. rubbish. chrysler was saved from bankruptcy by the k-car. restyling the pickup was what made the trucks sell more since 5 years of cummins availability 88-93 did jack shit for sales volume. this is typical german arrogance....afterall their product simply must be superior to anything we could make..... their diesels have consistantly made more power for the weight of the engine. these two key numbers are what makes a vehicle get better fuel economy and performance. sure they are arrogant but... the german designed diesel is a very good product. and it will be their undoing. they just dont understand the american consumer the cummins is very popular but the replacement if there is one will be at least as good regardless of popularity. such as thinking commercials of an elitist german answering consumer questions actually appeals to joe six-pack. sadly deiter zeitsche is far from being an elitist german about as far as lee iacocca was from being an elitist italian immigrant. certainly both were upper class and well off but neither was elitist. both realize that to sell cars one has to market an affordable product to the masses. dr. z is the only reason chrysler and dc as a corporation are still operating successfully today. want proof look no further than the board of directors who dumped jergen schremp in favor of zeitsche because deutsch bank demanded some one who knew what they were doing be promoted. chrysler was still making a profit when mercedes started heading for the tank several years ago. you want an elitist german his name was jergen schremp. you want elitist americans look at the execs that sold chrysler to the krauts in the first place. how about really elitist..... like fomoco dumping 10000 white collar workers to cut costs..... how the fuck do you hire 10000 extra people who are not directly involved in production easy..... you elevate your cronies so they too can enjoy the upper class payscale. how about arrogant..... like gm deciding that in order for delphi to be able to proceed without rolling bankruptcy all the workers had to take 55% pay cuts to $10 an hour. yeah thats down from $24 an hour. exactly who do you figure would take that deal willingly face it at this point chrysler is the only american manufacturer that is running anywhere near the black ink and isnt scurrying for solutions to insolvancy. they must understand something about the american consumer. -- max amen max! dc and cummins just entered into a long-term agreement for a new ld diesel for pickups and suvs... see the cummins website. also the 6.7l isb was developed mainly for dc so it is doubtful that dc will drop the md cummins anytime soon. when i visited the cummins mrd plant in columbus in august they were already working on some new stuff for dc which is a good sign that dc and cummins will remain together. finally dieter zietsche is anything but arrogant! anyone who knows the man will tell you the same. methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. mike join www.devilbrad.com and find out what free exchange of info is all about. there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author thats what i was wondering nate... ive heard a few folks say that they didnt buy a dodge they bought a cummins with a dodge wrapped around it.. dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. this is typical german arrogance....afterall their product simply must be superior to anything we could make.....and it wi

From : mike simmons

i added about a 1/4 cup of mercon v atf to my ps reservoir. is there anything else i should do or am i good to go joe yes dont let dan c this post - http//www.carkb.com/uwe/forum.aspx/dodge/3757/2002-dodge-stratus-error-code power steering fluid and atf is very similar except one is colored red and prone to more foaming /air. relax you are good to go. -j -- message posted via carkb.com http//www.carkb.com/uwe/forums.aspx/dodge-truck/200610/1 just dont make similar mistakes with the brake fluid reservoir!! .

From : tom lawrence

if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. i disagree. got any sales numbers we can argue opinion all we want but the sales numbers tell the tale. ok heres the facts.... in 1993 the last year of the d-series dodge sold some 78000 pickup trucks gas and diesel. in 1994 the first year for the br they sold some 140000 pickups gas and diesel.... almost twice the number! it had nothing to do with cummins... as others have attempted to tell you it was the styling! last year my 2006 the cummins engine accounted for some 70% of the build in the dr2500/3500 series but the dr1500 all gassers btw greatly outsold the heavies. dont misunderstand... i think the cummins is great... the best diesel engine out there... i own one! but to allocate to cummins alone dcs salvation is a gross overstatement. finally do you really believe that dc will drop cummins just because you hear rumors you may dislike em but the folks at dc aint stupid. why do you think they selected cummins as the source of their new ld diesel when they could have just as easily adapted a mb or moteri engine that was already in their stable they did it for one reason... they recognize the goodwill and reputation of the cummins brand. just as they have capitalized on the hemi brand of yesteryear. as i said in my ealier post you are overreacting to scuttlebutt sir! i may be an asshole but you have jumped ship on this one. mike i think the redesign in 94 was a great boost in sales but i do not believe it would have been as successful with any other diesel except perhaps a cat diesel. if any of the big three offered a caterpillar diesel this entire conversation is afterall hypothetical they would take the lions share of the market over night. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : tom lawrence

ive always been a dodge man but i do feel that dodge has fallen behind in other areas. not a lot certainly but i do notice differences when i drive my buddys 05 king ranch. i wouldnt trade my cummins for anything but another cummins being able to get one in an f350 king ranch would certainly sweeten a good deal even more. im with ya... more comfortable seats larger rear passenger room crew cab/long bed availability... if i could just get one without that ugly as hell blue oval on the grill .

From : nathan in montana

although i dont foresee myself ever buying one i have to give the duramax the credit that it deserves. theyre producing amazing power and holding up far better than i ever thought they would. agreed about the not blowing their head gaskets all over the place like many expected to see me included. but the amazing power/reliability issues ehhh... not so well. at stock or mild levels sure - theyre pretty reliable. turned up to sick levels theyre wearing down pretty quickly. this shouldnt really be a knock on the engine itself because people are pushing them to do a lot more than they were designed to do. .

From : nathan in montana

methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. nate thats a bit harsh dont ya think or did i miss something again possibly i dont know mikes intentions but i would like to know how i could be accused of overreacting or blowing smoke in my personal opinion of someone that neither of us knows. i will apologize if its in order. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

on mon 16 oct 2006 103413 -0400 chris thompson kf4drr-nospam@alltel.net wrote mopar or no car! mike for the most part im there with you mike...ive always been a mopar fan....but to be honest the cummins was the deciding factor when it was time for the 8.0l to say goodbye. i looked at the competitions didnt go with the dmax because of things i heard and it having not been out that long. looked at ford but they had been changing their stuff up too much i questioned the longevity of what they had done. so the cummins in the dodge wound up being a no brainer... with that said if the cummins was in a ford....i dont know what way i would have went...what dodge would be using would have to be damn good as i said the cummins was the biggest deciding factor. good point chris... what i should have said was what if ford and dodge both had cummins the short answer.....the dodge -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : nathan in montana

im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. wow you gotta go quite a ways to see mike simmons as an asshole. quite a ways off track that is. if i misread his intentions ill certainly give him his due apology. ive yet to finish reading the thread. i think max is right on. dont misinterpret my feelings. im just saying that if they do drop the cummins it will be their biggest fuck up to date. there would be complaints from some circles but the german diesel would win even those people over. i just dont see it. perhaps certainly but the strength of the cummins from a marketing perspective is in the name cummins. it isnt an international and it deosnt have aluminum heads after all. although i dont foresee myself ever buying one i have to give the duramax the credit that it deserves. theyre producing amazing power and holding up far better than i ever thought they would. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : roy

would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both mopar or no car! thats a little much.g roy mike mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mike simmons

thanks for the info. i was surprised to see that fusible links are still in use. i wasnt looking forward to soldering wires. im glad its not going to be a bad fusible link. ill try your sugestion tonight. john .

From : roy

is that alison 1000 transmission ive seen theyre putting them in as an option on the gas engine. if so i would like to hear your impression of that combination. on mon 16 oct 2006 092835 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. please let us know how the chevy holds up. did you go with the diesel ok i will post an update in a few years. it feels good as of right now though of course so did the dodge when i bought it up to a month ago when it went to hell. i did not go with the diesel. i bought a 2500hd with a 6 liter v8 gas engine a heavy duty transmission towing and snow plow prep package. crew cab four doors that all open in the same direction regular bed. a little basic on the interior but it has all i need. i .

From : max dodge

it would be their only fuck up since going with the cummins in 88. no there have been others. giving up the bragging rights of being top dog in terms of torque to the duramax is one. what about reliability and fuel economy not to mention design seen the specs on the new cummins the chrysler/daimler merger is one. thats not a failure of truck design or capability. the rampant lift pump failure issue is one. rampant according to whom yeah failures were frequent on the modified trucks but even then it wasnt rampant. the lift pump failures that did occur were in early isb models and the problem was cured easily. pray tell how were they cured i know of 3 years the damn things were going south on. roy .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 001242 +0000 utc ignoramus17993 ignoramus17993@nospam.17993.invalid wrote sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. i want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making various repairs to this truck over the years. i want to wish luck to all present owners of chrysler products. i just because you dont own a dodge truck doesnt mean that you cant hang out here. we put up with budds crap and he doesnt own one. beekeep .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 082014 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. i disagree. got any sales numbers we can argue opinion all we want but the sales numbers tell the tale. i think the redesign in 94 was a great boost in sales but i do not believe it would have been as successful with any other diesel except perhaps a cat diesel. if any of the big three offered a caterpillar diesel this entire conversation is afterall hypothetical they would take the lions share of the market over night. im just curious... anyone know what percentage of pickups that dodge sells have the cummins maybe now compared to the mid-90s would be interesting... i remember the new ram front end because everyone suddenly wanted a dodge ram but didnt see many diesel pickups of any brand at that time.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 141149 gmt advocate advo@hotmail.com wrote thats what i was wondering nate... ive heard a few folks say that they didnt buy a dodge they bought a cummins with a dodge wrapped around it.. dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. this is typical german arrogance.... if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. take a deep cleansing breath. actually it would seem that if cryco was saved it wouldnt have needed the merger.... hmmm... mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

hey!! there is no reason you need to leave this group just because you finally got a case of the smarts and bought a realy truck. vbg oh glad to read ya got rid of the girly girl chevy truck and bought a manly truck!gbmfg roy still got my chevy and it has more miles and less problems then my 97 ram did when i traded it in for the chevy! sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. i want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making various repairs to this truck over the years. i want to wish luck to all present owners of chrysler products. i .

From : bigironram

on sun 15 oct 2006 211241 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both mopar or no car! mike even if ferd had heated seats mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : Annonymous

methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. nate thats a bit harsh dont ya think or did i miss something again roy -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

anyone know offhand what the max tongue weight is for 03 ram 3500 2 door dually 500 on the bumper 1200 on the receiver tom correct me if im wrong but isnt the 1200 figure with weight distribution hitch i was thinking it was 600 conventional. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : mac davis

on mon 16 oct 2006 143443 gmt theguy@whatever.net wrote on mon 16 oct 2006 080034 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. wow you gotta go quite a ways to see mike simmons as an asshole. quite a ways off track that is. i think max is right on. there would be complaints from some circles but the german diesel would win even those people over. dont get me wrong i love the cummins i just cant write off the mercedes. have talked to a lot of very knowledgable people lately and have found no one that has a single bad thing to say about it. i8t wold work out fine after the initial complaints. it isnt an international and it deosnt have aluminum heads after all. i drove a mb turbo diesel for a while and loved it.. great engine imo... id also have to factor in the it was an early 80s engine and must have undergone several improvements since then.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

on mon 16 oct 2006 080034 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. wow you gotta go quite a ways to see mike simmons as an asshole. quite a ways off track that is. i think max is right on. there would be complaints from some circles but the german diesel would win even those people over. dont get me wrong i love the cummins i just cant write off the mercedes. have talked to a lot of very knowledgable people lately and have found no one that has a single bad thing to say about it. i8t wold work out fine after the initial complaints. it isnt an international and it deosnt have aluminum heads after all. i dont do many me too posts but this one is good for me as well on all points. with some trepidation i have a new freightliner m2 on order with the mercedes engine 7.2l 300 hp fso 8406 six speed. we i wanted the c series cummins but its not available in the 106 chassis with hydrodraulic brakes. freightliner isnt accepting orders with the cat engine right now dont know whats up with that. even the kenworth rep didnt have a negative thing to say about the mercedes power plant well see. i did get the order in time to avoid the 07 emmissions standards. .

From : nathan in montana

mopar or no car! mike for the most part im there with you mike...ive always been a mopar fan....but to be honest the cummins was the deciding factor when it was time for the 8.0l to say goodbye. i looked at the competitions didnt go with the dmax because of things i heard and it having not been out that long. looked at ford but they had been changing their stuff up too much i questioned the longevity of what they had done. so the cummins in the dodge wound up being a no brainer... with that said if the cummins was in a ford....i dont know what way i would have went...what dodge would be using would have to be damn good as i said the cummins was the biggest deciding factor. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : advocate

if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. i disagree. got any sales numbers we can argue opinion all we want but the sales numbers tell the tale. i think the redesign in 94 was a great boost in sales but i do not believe it would have been as successful with any other diesel except perhaps a cat diesel. if any of the big three offered a caterpillar diesel this entire conversation is afterall hypothetical they would take the lions share of the market over night. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : nathan in montana

thats what i was wondering nate... ive heard a few folks say that they didnt buy a dodge they bought a cummins with a dodge wrapped around it.. dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. this is typical german arrogance.... if sales of cummins pickups could have saved chrysler from anything...it was a failed attempt. there certainly arent enough dodge diesels on the road to positively or negatively effect chrysler either way. take a deep cleansing breath. .

From : carolina watercraft works

on mon 16 oct 2006 135426 gmt bigironram not@home.com wrote since warning in september that it will report a loss of $1.5 billion for the quarter -- more than twice what it had previously forecast -- chrysler has temporarily halted production at several plants and stepped up appeals to dealers to take more of the 50000 or so vehicles the company has in storage because they were built without dealer orders. the sales bank again! do they never learn sheesh shades of the late 70s... sounds like conflicts of interest some managers being paid for production targets or some such... i am quite sad about my dodge ram story. it was a good truck while it was driveable i was hoping to use it for another 10 years or more... it still looked quite decent actually after 8 years of use. i did not abuse it in any way and changed all fluids etc on schedule. i .

From : roy

hey!! there is no reason you need to leave this group just because you finally got a case of the smarts and bought a realy truck. vbg oh glad to read ya got rid of the girly girl chevy truck and bought a manly truck!gbmfg roy sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. i want to thank all people whose advise was so valuable in making various repairs to this truck over the years. i want to wish luck to all present owners of chrysler products. i .

From : azwiley1

on mon 16 oct 2006 092835 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. please let us know how the chevy holds up. did you go with the diesel ok i will post an update in a few years. it feels good as of right now though of course so did the dodge when i bought it up to a month ago when it went to hell. i did not go with the diesel. i bought a 2500hd with a 6 liter v8 gas engine a heavy duty transmission towing and snow plow prep package. crew cab four doors that all open in the same direction regular bed. a little basic on the interior but it has all i need. a plow prep on a chevy you plan on hanging a blade on the front of it before you do take a look around and see what make the plow trucks in your area are. good luck with your new truck ! roy .

From : chris thompson

on mon 16 oct 2006 080034 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote methinks nate is overreacting again! and is just blowing smoke. im stating my opnion of him. i find him arrogant just as i find you to be an asshole. wow you gotta go quite a ways to see mike simmons as an asshole. quite a ways off track that is. i think max is right on. there would be complaints from some circles but the german diesel would win even those people over. dont get me wrong i love the cummins i just cant write off the mercedes. have talked to a lot of very knowledgable people lately and have found no one that has a single bad thing to say about it. i8t wold work out fine after the initial complaints. it isnt an international and it deosnt have aluminum heads after all. .

From : roy

on mon 16 oct 2006 092835 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote sold the poorly made dodge 1500 truck unlikely to buy another so i will be off for some unforeseeable time. please let us know how the chevy holds up. did you go with the diesel ok i will post an update in a few years. it feels good as of right now though of course so did the dodge when i bought it up to a month ago when it went to hell. i did not go with the diesel. i bought a 2500hd with a 6 liter v8 gas engine a heavy duty transmission towing and snow plow prep package. crew cab four doors that all open in the same direction regular bed. a little basic on the interior but it has all i need. i .

From : nathan in montana

tom wrote the fan control knob on my 03 ram 3500 has developed a problem that the full ac on position is off- no fan at all. all the slower fan postions work normally so im thinking a wire is off back there. any idea how to get to it tom no need to get back there... check the resistor located in the blower box that has a wire connector block on it consisting of 4 or 5 wires. -j -- message posted via carkb.com http//www.carkb.com/uwe/forums.aspx/dodge-truck/200610/1 .

From : nathan in montana

i added about a 1/4 cup of mercon v atf to my ps reservoir. is there anything else i should do or am i good to go joe yes dont let dan c this post - http//www.carkb.com/uwe/forum.aspx/dodge/3757/2002-dodge-stratus-error-code power steering fluid and atf is very similar except one is colored red and prone to more foaming /air. relax you are good to go. -j -- message posted via carkb.com http//www.carkb.com/uwe/forums.aspx/dodge-truck/200610/1 .

From : max dodge

did i miss something here you make it sound like this is a done deal mb to replace cummins my understanding is that the cummins contract expires in 2010 and that at that point dodge will switch over to the mercedes engine. this is certainly in keeping with the goals of daimler cross platform designs showing up particularly in the jeep lineup. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : max dodge

tim donohoe tdonohoe@aol.com wrote especially for me i have 7 mercedes sedans sitting on blocks on the lawn in front of my trailer i was desperate for someone to come along and help me get at least one of them running. one day soon i might be able to buy my beer by the case. where in new york are you roughly -- need mercedes parts http//parts.mbz.org richard sexton | mercedes stuff http//mbz.org 1970 280se 72 280se | home pages http//rs79.vrx.net 633csi 250se/c 300sd | http//aquaria.net http//killi.net .

From : nathan in montana

anyone know offhand what the max tongue weight is for 03 ram 3500 2 door dually tia tom .

From : ken conner

richard sexton wrote interesting choice of groups to crosspost to. willie is that you richard jacking in from the terrapin station port -- need mercedes parts http//parts.mbz.org richard sexton | mercedes stuff http//mbz.org 1970 280se 72 280se | home pages http//rs79.vrx.net 633csi 250se/c 300sd | http//aquaria.net http//killi.net the crosspost is actually relevent to all the groups - even though it may not seem so initially. the automotive groups are clearly relevent. the gdead group is relevent because the grateful dead fans tended to travel in large yellow commercial vehicles. the cannabis group was an observation in irony. here you have a toxic fuel additive - sulphur - that is so toxic it is implicated in hundreds of thousands of deaths and the government has a rather unhurried approach to getting rid of it - even allowing 20 percent of diesel for the next 4 years to be the highly toxic form. on the other hand you have the cannabis - which the governments own figures show that virtually nobody ever dies from it - and yet it is the cannabis users and sellers who are the public enemies and arrested and incarcerated. i supposed that was not an obviously implicit point. i did not think anybody would notice the crosspost. terrapin station is a nice place. happy ulsd day! .. .

From : mike simmons

thats what i was wondering nate... ive heard a few folks say that they didnt buy a dodge they bought a cummins with a dodge wrapped around it.. dropping the cummins will be their biggest fuck up to date. cummins saved dodge from bankruptcy and has kept them alive since. this is typical german arrogance....afterall their product simply must be superior to anything we could make.....and it will be their undoing. they just dont understand the american consumer such as thinking commercials of an elitist german answering consumer questions actually appeals to joe six-pack. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911tech.com http//glockcarry.com .

From : mac davis

would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both mopar or no car! mike mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : tom lawrence

interesting choice of groups to crosspost to. willie is that you richard jacking in from the terrapin station port -- need mercedes parts http//parts.mbz.org richard sexton | mercedes stuff http//mbz.org 1970 280se 72 280se | home pages http//rs79.vrx.net 633csi 250se/c 300sd | http//aquaria.net http//killi.net .

From : nathan in montana

on sun 15 oct 2006 182530 -0600 nathan in montana im@home.noway wrote would you oil burners stick with mopar or look at both i didnt buy a dodge i bought a cummins. when chrysler replaces the cummins with a mercedes ill have a new king ranch cummins. thats what i was wondering nate... ive heard a few folks say that they didnt buy a dodge they bought a cummins with a dodge wrapped around it.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .