I need some help
From : mlukachie
Q: tbone3 wrote transurgeon <nobulltrans@mchsi.dotcom> wrote in message only in your tiny immature mind. now please explain exactly how the torque increase from the tc is any different than the torque increase from the transmission in its lower gears. now i dont want to hear how it is done differently just how the result is in any way different and try to keep the language on an adult level for a change. red herring alert !!!!! whoopwhoopwhoop !!!!!!!!! where exactly did i say it was different if you do not think that it is different then why did you bring up the torque converter at all sounds like backspin to me. for that matter where was the gear reduction ever mentioned except by you the whole point of this argument has to do with gear reduction gary please follow along. no my original had to do with the transmission producing torque please go back and re-read my first response i know what your original response was and that is why i called you an ass since you are arguing nothing more than semantics and is now becomming circular as well my entire reply was based on the erroneous statement specifically the last 11 words of the following from snoman > we are actually in partial agreement here but this is also the reason why much earlier in the thread i stated to regear the truck because though the towed mileage may be short to ramp the stress of the ramp can be high and a tranny can realy heat up fast in a heavy stall and deeper gears do two things the tranny has to product less torque to move the load he said that the tranny produces torque actually he said products but well let that pass since ive already told him he needs to be precise in his wording i said no the transmission does not produce torque but the converter changes high-rpm/low torque output of the engine to lower-rpm/higher-torque output wtf does this even mean gary. like i said multiple times the transmission does this as well in its lower gears so what exactly is your point here that a transmission or torque converter cannot on its own produce torque ok here is a quick question for you. if more torque is comming out of a unit than is going in is it not producing torque and if not what exactly is it doing now before you try to use the term converting remember that an engine does nothing more than convert liquid fuel into heat and mechanical energy so that argument will not hold up. power torque at a given spped is produced in the engine true. the converter changes the speed/torque ratio yes it does just like the transmission but what does this have to do with anything the converter cannot produce torque only change the relationship between input speed/torque and output speed/torque but by doing that you are producing more torque at the cost of rpm so by your own definition a trasnsmission can produce torque or at least produce more torque. remember gary produce and create are two different words. no free lunch in other words there is never a free lunch. at least on this we can agree. nowhere did he or i mention gear ratio he said once more since you have problems comprehending things that the tranny has to produce less torque sorry gary but you really are not very good at spin. dont try to change the subject to some garbage about gear ratios. you did say that the tc converts from a high rpm to a lower rpm and increases torque. a transmission does the same thing just by a different method. maybe he meant to say has to provide less torque which is correct. what part of gear ratio in relation to first second third and fourth gear plus reverse is so hard for you to understand now you have spun so fast that you have lost me. what exactly are you asking me the tranny god will you folks grow up and call it a transmission fer chrissakes ! cannot produce torque.......it can convert it in the converter or it can change ratios between input and output shafts and thus convert hi-r/lo-t input to low-r/hi-t output but it cannot produce &n
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From : tbone
i fully understand what it means max that is not the argument. actually it is the argument. you say you understand we say you dont and we all prove you dont then you argue with us saying you do and it goes round again. argument is that even though one can has 50% more than the otherand it sounds like a lot in reality the one can only has 1 more object than the other one. right but in the case of dirt and dust particles its a much larger number than 1 which is the point. now if the one can had 20 and the other can had 30 you still have the same percentage difference but now the larger can actually has 10 more than the other not just 1. iow these percentages are nothing more than a relationship between two values and even though the percentage may seem large if the numbers making it are very small so is the difference between them. its millions of particles of dust and dirt not one or two when talking about filter effectiveness. your small numbers idea just went to shit. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. it wouldnt but what does this have to do with anything. these two numbers will always = 1.5 when divided this way regardless or the units or the size unless like you did ya put a % in back of it. at that point youve written .015 not 1.5 your problem is that you dont understand relationships between the numbers. and while i hesitate to explain this because i know you will not understand ill give it a shot. if i have 100 objects on the counter and i toss 2 of them in the can ive gotten rid of 2%. if i now toss out 3 of another set of 100 ive gotten rid of 3%. now i go into the trash and i find 2 objects in one can and 3 in the other. by percentage there are 50% more objects in the can with 3 objects than the can with 2 objects. i fully understand what it means max that is not the argument. the argument is that even though one can has 50% more than the otherand it sounds like a lot in reality the one can only has 1 more object than the other one. now if the one can had 20 and the other can had 30 you still have the same percentage difference but now the larger can actually has 10 more than the other not just 1. iow these percentages are nothing more than a relationship between two values and even though the percentage may seem large if the numbers making it are very small so is the difference between them. you are hung up on the objects on the counter when its the stuff in the can you should be worried about. remember its not the dirt on the filter thats harming the engine its the dirt that gets through. i understand that as well but the point that you seem to be missing is that the paper filter lets so little dirt through even a 50% increase still amounts to just about nothing just like your example with the objects. yup its 50% more objects in the can just like its 50% more dirt getting through. like i said fuzzy math. now once again i never said that the math was wrong just that using percentages like this gives a misleading result. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : beekeep
11.8 mpg that sounds correct. hemi is a gas guzzling performance engine i knew a guy that bouhght one then a few days later took it back in exhange for a diesel i thought of doing that but i always thought that once you bought a new truck it was yours. with it being driven off the lot and registered with my plate on it wouldnt it have to be sold back to them for like a $5000 loss .
From : john
and you have no understanding that a torque converter cannot create torque iow you have no valid reply. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving not done responding just post something with substance and ill shoot it down again gary is full of shit here and so are you or are you just bored either way he stopped responding which is what he usually does when he realizes he is wrong so this thread should be just about done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wow musta got out the book. if thats the case keep reading and youll see where gary is correct in what hes been telling you. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the impeller is connected to the engine actually part of the tc housing while the turbine and stator are each on their own shafts and go to the transmission. the stator shaft is held in a fixed position while the turbine shaft drives the trans. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you know the difference great then tell us which one is attached to what shaft. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i know the difference but said the wrong name get over it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message no you need one in both sentence structure and transmission theory it seems. this from the same guy who didnt know the difference between an impeller and a stator .
From : snoman
snoman wrote but tbone you missing the point. when a engine it running well below its ve it still takes the same hp to roll truck down the road and the engine has to work harder and make more torque are lower rpm and reduced efficency to make the hp needed to roll truck. raise the rpm some and engien needs to make less torque to make same hp and is closer to ve to so efficency is better and less fuel is used per hp hour and to take it further if your cruise at say 1700 rpm and have a max torque of 70% of peak availible that give you only about 68 hp at flywheel or about 45 to 50 at wheel which is barely enough to cruise and the eninge will be working as higher cylinder pressure in a unefficent stay to try to make it and be using more fuel to make hp than it should not to mention higher bearing and ring pressure too which can lead to short than optimum life of engine snoman i can give you a real world example of gear changes. in my 95 1500 it came with 3.55 gears and i usually got about 17-17.5 mpg at approx 65-70 mph. i changed the diffs to 3.92 cause i needed more gear for what i use the truck for. hauling his fat ass around. bfg a couple of more holiday meals and he will be changing to 456s.gbmfg roy .
From : tbone
there recently were two stories in the connecticut press about burning used cooking oil the first was a woman who was burning waste cooking oil from chinese restrauants... all positive press the second was two- three weeks ago where a guy in winsted ct had converted his vw bug to burn waste cooking oil and a black bear trashed the rear window to get to the oil smell. picture in the paper showed a car i wouldnt wantto drive tochurch in on sunday but he supossedly got great milage when th think heated up and he converted from disel to french fry oil. the down side is his neighbors complained whenever he came home because everyone ended up smelling like they worked at bugger king. jem i saw on science channel last week were 2 just out of high school kids converted an old volkswagen diesel van to burn straight used cooking oil after they were told in their auto mechanic class it could not be done. they drove cross country stopping at fast food places to fill up. they only drawback was they has to run regular diesel till the engine warmed up then switched over to cooking oil. they said they got better performance with the cooking oil. -- that intellectual torpor maybe sufficient to earn a job at some disaster prone part of the world like chernobyl or nasa but it wont cut the mustard with me. - professor maximillian arturo .
From : beekeep
how about 3% / 2% = 1.5% just like 3 / 2 = 1.5 not 150. care to try again and btw thank you for more than proving my point lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what part of 3% / 2% = 150% is wrong really then why did he keep going on and on and on and on in the last k&n thread about his fuzzy math. oh yea because he thought he was right that time and you are once again wrong imagine that! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving no its what we all do when we realize your head is secured firmly up your ass by a rope that seems drawn tight around your neck and secured to your tongue. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. gary is full of shit here and so are you or are you just bored either way he stopped responding which is what he usually does when he realizes he is wrong so this thread should be just about done. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving wow musta got out the book. if thats the case keep reading and youll see where gary is correct in what hes been telling you. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the impeller is connected to the engine actually part of the tc housing while the turbine and stator are each on their own shafts and go to the transmission. the stator shaft is held in a fixed position while the turbine shaft drives the trans. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you know the difference great then tell us which one is attached to what shaft. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i know the difference but said the wrong name get over it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote in message no you need one in both sentence structure and transmission theory it seems. this from the same guy who didnt know the difference between an impeller and a stator .
From : snoman
but you are only looking at one side of the equation the acceleration side. the other side of the equation that you need to look at is the cruise side of the equation. when cruising you simply dont need maximum hp or have the engine in its ve range and gearing for it will do nothing more than require the engine to turn faster than necessary and waste fuel doing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote i doubt that since i have 3.55 gears and run around that level at 65. but it is like a 2.40 in od which is really too tall and puts engine well below its ve range in a big heavy vehical. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-help-mod-2001-1500-quadcab-towing-22-motorboat-ftopict124505.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=611449 .
From : tbone
it consistantly gets 17 to 18 mpg on highway even with a/c on and it has a 40 gallon tank that i run down pretty far before i fill it on a trip so the numbers are not from a top off on a short trip. my 2000 k3500 with a 5.7 and 4.10 gears will do between 16 and 17mpg on hiway with a/c on too and i know it would not be better with taller gears either. 4.10 is quite a bit different from 4.56 like you suggested for the owner of the quad cab. as has been said in here already there is no free lunch and if those very low gears would give more power faster acceleration and no loss in mileage then a free lunch is exactly what it would be and they would come that way stock. i would think that the truck comes with these gears to maintain the companies cafe standards and that they know a little bit more about their vehicles than either you or i do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 301875 5uute.9469$vk4.4658@read1..atl.earthlink.net why would you not want to put the tc in neutral because even though it disconnects the transfer case from the transmission it locks the front and rear driveshafts together. that will cause tire scrubbing at least as you make turns. .
From : john
yes if as you say it is a manual not an automatic. steve we want to put a tow bar on the front of our 98 3500 dually 5.9l 5 speedto help us speed up the equipment moves between fields. we would like to tow it behind one of the grain trucks or tractor depending what is being moved. someone said we should see if this is possible with this truck and i thought why not ask the experts...so here i am. can it be done in the middle of the kansas wheat harvest marilyn .
From : snoman
no laws of physics are violated because it didnt increase the torque it merely changed its configuration. hahahahahahahahahahahahha what in the hell does this even mean. what a load of crap!!! yer so damned full of how the laws of physics work why dont you tell us how that works you are the one making the claims here max. how about you back up what you are saying instead of expecting me to do it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .