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From : thats me

Q: tbone wrote tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. that is the main point. it takes a lot of hp and torque to get there and a lot more to go just a little more. if that were not the case the srt10 would be killing the ford with the extra 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque it has considering it only weighs a little over 300 more pounds. for the lightning to beat the srt10 it is going to have to get damn close to these numbers or it aint gonna happen. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. not the way it is currently configured. if it was so easy to do what you suggest why do you think that dodge didnt do it whos talking about current configuration jeff if they can redesign it with the hp torque and upward potential of the new ram srt10 and keep it under 40k i will be impressed. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

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From : thadriver

crybaby crap from budd snipped sorry for the piggyback response on budds reply but rrs worthless servers really suck and i never saw this one from you. sure you probably could buy a few stock short blocks for less and save money but you really wouldnt be any better off than you were to begin with. then you forgot to add the time and fun of yanking the dead engine out swapping parts putting the new one back in and hoping that you didnt miss or break something in the process and having no vehicle in the mean time. if you flog anything long enough and hard enough youll break it. the mods i gave are minor and are well within the capability of the engine to withstand. possibly but just because the mods are easy doesnt make them minor. changing the waste gate pressure on a turbocharged engine is easy too but the results are far from minor. im not completely sure how much more hp that engine can reliably deal with but from your link you are probably right. either way i doubt that the drive train will put up with it for long if you make it tow with this extra hp. any way you look at it there is no free lunch. iirc that engine was designed to put out around 260 hp stock without the blower and ford already added 100+ hp to it and i doubt that they made any significant changes internally or they simply wouldnt be able to sell that truck so cheap. you really dont know what the hell your talking about when it comes to high performance do ya when you say things like that it sounds more like you dont. from what i can find on the web it is the same 5.4 short block that the regular truck uses and ford hopped it up with a supercharger and some other mods. how much more hp do you think that this engine can take if they were using the gt block this truck would cost much more than it does now. the fact that you can only get it with the automatic shows that they didnt invest in a modified standard shift and that automatic was all that they had to handle the massive torque that engine puts out. add another 100hp and put a load on it towing and you may be replacing more than that engine. this is the reason the srt10 cannot tow its trans cannot handle the torque of that engine and a towing load together. how about because with that engine it might be overweight if you were to tow if that were true then it wouldnt be able to tow next year either. lets not forget that this is the srt10 and is probably lighter than the 5.9 so i doubt that engine weight has anything to do with it. the link from aw shows that they solved that problem in next years model by using a modified automatic from the cummins version and the new srt10 will have a tow rating of 7000lbs. wonder why they didnt use it this year. ford has been useing the ps trans for some time. possibly because it either didnt fit or was not set up for the high input rpms that the srt10 will give it. the cummins like all diesels is not known for its high rpm capability -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .