Happy 4th

From : azwiley1

Q: bill p. wrote now you are getting the picture. thats why they arent used much. ive not seen anybody with a set of studed tires on anything in years. then you ought to come on out to oregon. the californian transplants seem to love them since we actually get snow a couple of times a year. they still cant drive in the stuff but they gotta have studded tires since they are now in the wilderness! i personally think they should outlaw studded tires since they cause millions of damage each year to the road surface and have no pratical value here. here in ma they are allowed only during winter months as i imagine most states dictate as well. i dont think they can go on until nov 30 and have to be off by apr 1 or 15. theres a definite snow tire season defined by law. i had them on my truck rear wheels only and they did help on ice but i dont think they provide much help beyond ice driving which i suppose is their primary purpose. smh .

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From : tbone

friends 1996 ram 1500 5.9l 4x4. with your help i replaced the passenger side hub bearing and still have a slight wobble in the 3 to 9 oclock position. tom suggested a tie rod end. i finally took a look at it and have some questions. 1. when i grab the tie rod in the middle and put a bit of torque on it there is a lot of play at both ends of the grease fittings once it starts to move/rotate. are both the tie rod end and drag link end bad 2.there is a slight bend in tie rod on the passenger side which i believe is normal from the photos in the haynes manual but there is also one just about in front of the differential fill plug. it this normal too or is the rod bent 3. are the explanations in the haynes manual page 10-14 good enough for and idiot like me to do the job 3a. how do i fix it! now for the stupidest question 4. is the tie rod end one piece that screws into the one side of the adjuster tube thanks all steve and happy 4th! here are the previous threads if interested. .

From : craig c

i wish that were the case here. we are in a drought for the third year in a row and it has been a record year for days over 90. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving azwiley1 wrote since no one else said it. happy 4th. in dallas this year we didnt have to worry about fires started from fireworks. everything is very moist. it has rained at least 50 out of the last 60 days. lakes rivers and creeks are overflowing. my lawn is dying from too much water. the mosquitoes are insane. they literally dive bomb. just last year we were worried about the ongoing drought. we wished for rain ... and boy did we get it. on the positive side for the first time since i can remember we have yet to hit 100 degrees. usually that starts in april or may. in fact i think we have only had a handful of days over 90. craig c. .

From : chris thompson

on thu 05 jul 2007 213532 +0930 jmc nogroupsspam@nojodibody.homeus wrote suddenly without warning azwiley1 exclaimed 7/5/2007 257 pm since no one else said it. the 4th was over for me some time ago quiet since when youre overseas theres not a lot of hoo-ha about a strictly american holiday g its 9pm on the 5th here. but happy 4th to those just getting started! jmc things were really popping here in baja.... of course fireworks of just about any kind are legal and the locals dont need much of a reason to make the place look like baghdad being attacked.. lol we were planning a quiet night at home but got dragged to a neighbors house for a bbq/party... it was kinda nice to pig out on gringo food and watch the fireworks... and hear the sirens of course.. lol mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : mac davis

on wed 4 jul 2007 103825 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 3 jul 2007 210747 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 3 jul 2007 080638 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on mon 02 jul 2007 202653 gmt snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on mon 02 jul 2007 193054 gmt theguy@whatever.net wrote how many times do you have to here that this type of studded tire is a good compromise between the gripping power of studs on ice and the loss of traction on wet roads. you do understand what compromise means...right let me explain it to you. while this type of studded tire doesnt have the same gripping power on ice as a full studded tire it also doesnt suffer as badly as a fully studded tire on wet road which is the compromise. i also said before it depends on your driving style if the reduced traction of this type of studded tire is going to adversely effect you under normal driving conditions. tom these friggin studded tires are one thing dangerous. the ones i had were side and staggered they sucked they were dangerous. you talk about traction but ya have to get the damn thing stopped as well. i would attribute much of this to yuor driving style. someone who buys a top line vette a ford lightening and an srt8 doesnt exactly do it to drive like a little old lady. i would say that you push your vehicles from time to time and in that case studded tires can prove to be dangerous. rather than go back and forth over what the idiot said or didnt say go read up on them. or go buy a set for yourself and hold on tight. again it depends on how i drive with them. many years ago i had a magnum and it had eagle gt tires on it and as big as it was i drove it hard and it did what i asked. my buddy had eagle sts on his car and when he got rid of the car he gave me his sts same size as my gts as my tires were wearing out i cant imagine why. a few days after installing them i was flying down the entrance ramp to 287 60 on a 40 mph ramp as usual and the car spun around on me luckly i used to drive like and idiot and kept it from hitting the curb and i thought what pieces of shit these tires were. the problem is that he never had any trouble with them at all but then again he didnt drive as hard as i did they just didnt have the grip that the gts did so it really want the tire but my driving style that caused the problem. if you drive it like a sports car and many do then the reduced traction will probably be unacceptable and possibly dangerous but if you drive in a calm manor as in a heavy truck you will probably do just fine with them during the winter months. how did you arrive at this read above and i also had them on a few cars in my younger days in nj and as long as i was aware that they were there and drove with some sanity besides the noise they gave me little trouble. granted i couldnt jump off of the line like my friends could on dry days but i also didnt get stuck in the ice like they did. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

i would say that depending on the tire it should be studs on the outer edge and rubber in the middle. if the entire tread is being held up be the studs then that tire is a pos and is no better than a fully studded version so what would be the point of making it that way now you are getting the picture. thats why they arent used much. ive not seen anybody with a set of studed tires on anything in years. i used to see them every now and then in nj and i guess that people here own them because ice is much more of a problem than snow in nc. the stud is located on the tread so that it makes contact with the snow or ice covered road. to attain traction the stud is forced into the ice by the weight of whatever it is mounted on. when there is dry pavement the stud is making contact with the road. so your traction and stopping ability is deminished big time. while i agree that traction is diminished im not so sure about big time specifically when you are talking about studded tires that only have them on the outer edge of the tread. of course just like in regular tires there are good ones and there are pure crap ones as well. i did a little reading and there were a few studded tires that actually matched conventional tires in stopping ability on dry roads but they are not available in this country. as i said before the significance of the traction loss is dependant on the driver. with the vehicles that you have owned you seem to be performance oriented and in your case the loss of traction from the studs would be unacceptable while someone who drives a little easier than you do might not even notice the difference besides the noise from the studs. the blizak with the super sticky rubber gives you both super traction in ice and snow and dry or wet pavement as well. but use in hot temps will use them up real quick. also they should be used on all four wheels. especially with the way that you drive - i have heard good things about blizzaks and agree that they seem to be the better tire but even there driving style will play a part. how do blizzaks do on wet ice i bet that studded tire will out do them there because studded tires will not be as effected by the thin layer of water and if the driver is one of those just floor it and let them spin types studded will again have a possible advantage as the studs will keep digging without hydroplaning. the blizzaks may do as well but you will probably be significantly shortening there lives but again this is just my opinion and i could very well be wrong as i have never owned them and probably never will. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jmc

on wed 4 jul 2007 125731 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on wed 4 jul 2007 103825 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com snipped for miles what you arent really this stupid are you i hope you are just being your usual stubborn self refusing to admit you are wrong again rather than really being serious about that argument. if you really believe that studded tires have the same road holding friction as a non studded tire..............well.......thats just plain stupid. lol i never said that it was the same and neither did snowball. how many times do you have to here that this type of studded tire is a good compromise between the gripping power of studs on ice and the loss of traction on wet roads. you do understand what compromise means...right let me explain it to you. while this type of studded tire doesnt have the same gripping power on ice as a full studded tire it also doesnt suffer as badly as a fully studded tire on wet road which is the compromise. i also said before it depends on your driving style if the reduced traction of this type of studded tire is going to adversely effect you under normal driving conditions. if you drive it like a sports car and many do then the reduced traction will probably be unacceptable and possibly dangerous but if you drive in a calm manor as in a heavy truck you will probably do just fine with them during the winter months. as for being my stubborn self and refusing to admit to error i really think that you need to take a look in the mirror this time. what fucking planet are you from tom really like i asked before how old are you i feel like im arguing with a child......or worse yet you make me feel like im arguing with an old lady. temper temper dude. if you were half as smart as you think that you are you would have let this drop already. i still see no valid proof backing your claims just more name calling and temper tantrums. you jump back and forth so fast that you remind me of the fat little politician in the the play the best little whorehouse in.... can you dance the fast shoe you sure do it here. only in your desperate mind buddy. i havent changed my position at all in this thread no matter how desperately you wish it to be so. youve changed what you said or what you meant or what you meant to say or what you think that you meant to say.......or what you think that you think you meant to say....so many times you have confused even yourself. really please indicate exactly where and provide solid examples from this thread not your typical desperate spin. i never said that studded tires had the same gripping power as conventional tires on wet or even dry roads and if you think that i did prove it of shut up already and stop looking even more foolish than you already do. i also said that even with the reduced traction the persons driving style will make the determination if the tire is sutable or not and again show where i said different or you can just continue to make a fool out of yourself. just when you profess to to be thenewtbone you revert back to the old tbone. oh well. what i said was that i try not to start petty arguments anymore just to piss people off or get into endless arguments that have no winners for the same purpose not that im incapable of defending myself. i did offer to let it drop stating that it was just my opinion without putting blame or error on anyone but you couldnt allow that because god forbid it doing so might indicate in your own mind that you jumped the gun and were possibly wrong. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .