Gulf Coast part 2

From : roy

Q: lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! not having read the other thread yet yes it took too long for help to arrive. but in all fairness did they have to let the water go down before they could get much in also if what i read was correct with idiots taking pot shots at the copters that were trying to take people out id say fuck-em and let them swim. denny .

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From : tbone

i respect most of your views. i disagree and have stated why. thanks for the debate. btw do you ever sleep ; craig c. .

From : jerry

i have a 2002 dakota and would like to get copies of the service information associated with recalls c35 wiring harness and d47 upper ball joints. the local dealer which i shall not name keeps bugging me to schedule service on these recalls but there is no way i am going to let them work on my truck because i know from past experience that they do poor work. everything i have ever had done there i had to later redo myself. no exceptions. so i would prefer to pay for the parts do it right the first time and skip the bs and possibility of them butchering something else. are there tsbs or similar documents associated with these recalls that explain the work to be done and parts needed if so how can i get copies of them tia. your dealer can get you the recall info however the recall will not be considered completed unless it is done by a d/c dealer. if you dont trust the dealer ask around and find a dealer who is recommended and take it to them. if your dealer wont give you the recall info let me know and i will email it to you. mike .

From : tom lawrence

wrong. ng spokesmen have stated that orderes to activate were sent out up to 48 hours prior to the storm hitting. this was on msnbc not noted as a conservative bastion. interesting article explaining what was done in preparation before katrina hit the gulf coast. http//www.10.com/weather/4909184/detail.html .

From : Annonymous

big al wrote every 318 or 360 i ave ever owned 3 360s or driven over a dozen pinged a little or in the case of the 2000s and 2001s a lot. i didnt buy a 2000 ram and that was one of the main reason. bdk 2003 hemi ram.. ive only owned two. a 90 and a 92. both pinged until i put colder plugs in. the 92 tows everything and has most of its life. i run 87 in it and it never pings. with the factory plugs it would ping under medium power output. give it more or less throttle and it would quit. al 92 w250 360 5 speed. when you put in colder plug you are in effect retarding the spped of spread of the flame after ignition and reducing engine efficency. you may have think you cured it but your cure is costing you in fuel consumption and give that with today price that better fuel can be bought for a mere 2 or 3% more way would you insist on still using the lowest octane fuel you can buy when mpg gains can more than offset the cost where did this info come from im interested in reading it. thanks al .

From : max dodge

go get a good look at the new honda pickup. the tailgate on them will fold down or open to one side. maybe you can set yours up like that. roy wrote hi i have a 2003 quad cab 1500 pick up. i am trying to find out if there is someone who makes conversion to the tailgate. i am looking to replace it with two opening type doors similar to the ford excursion rear arrangement. why you ask . well i have a german sheppard whose back legs are going and the tail gate is two high but with a door arrangement he could use the bumper step on the way up. any help would be appreciated as i live in the uk and this sort of information is hard to get. thank ray bright ive used a ramp for a couple of my shepards through the years. there are a couple that are fiberglass or plastic that hinge in the middle light weight and easy storage. go here www.petco.com search ramps. roy --- avast! antivirus inbound message clean. virus database vps 0536-0 05/09/2005 tested on 05/09/2005 10638 pm avast! - copyright c 1988-2005 alwil software. http//www.avast.com you keep your old dog in the truck box - --- avast! antivirus outbound message clean. virus database vps 0536-0 05/09/2005 tested on 05/09/2005 10826 pm avast! - copyright c 1988-2005 alwil software. http//www.avast.com .

From : max dodge

i just got back from houston. wow ... thats some scary shit down there. its amazing just how animalistic people act when there is no order ... and they have nothing to lose. anyhow i have my temporary visitors and we are grilling out tonight. we are all looking forward to it ... especially them. i only hope my cooking can hold a match to cajun food. i chose to reply to this particular post because its the first time ive seen tom lawrence passionate about anything other than dodge trucks. congrats tom and welcome to the pissing contest. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

misunderstanding!!! no it doesnt die. never has. it runs fine. it simply codes if i allow the rpms to drop below 8900 as when decel from 30 mph down to a stop. the truck idles fine even in gear albeit it slightly uneven once the p0307 gets stored. but even with a code stored it doesnt die nor does it even act like it wants to. i know i cannot take it to the dealership and tell them what not to do. however i think i owe it to myself and my checkbook to at least give them an itemization of the things we have already tried along with a precise description of the symptoms. maybe that way they wont try to shotgun it and will actually look a little harder for the cause. lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net writes possible but the fact that the engine dies unless you give it a little throttle indicates a bigger problem than just a single cylinder. all else being equal a v8 can drop a cylinder and still maintain an idle albeit a rough one even under a bit of load. at this point an in-depth analysis of the entire fi system is needed a scanner capable of displaying real-time stats from all the various sensors to find out whats out of whack. this is a job for a professional. i understand the reluctance to give the dealer carte-blanche to run up a big diagnostic bill re-doing things youve already done but at this point i dont think you have much of an option. before i would do anything else i would try cleaning the combustion chambers with mopar combustion chamber cleaner. i have seen several times where excess carbon builds up in the combustion chamber and valves and allows the engine to run lean enough for the pcm to pickup a cylinder misfire code. this is a cheap solution if it works. just follow the directions on the can and leave it soak for as long as possible. i think the directions say a minimum of two hours longer is better and overnite is ideal. then run the s**t out of it to blow the carbon out. it will smoke like the dickens so dont do this in an enclosed area. if this doesnt work then you probably have no recourse but to see a dealer. explain to the service advisor/service manager what you have done in detail and ask that he put his best driveability tech on the job. good luck! mike .

From : tbone

i think that govenment was asleep at the switch as usual for last 4+years on this one and only got serious after the fact and bad press. they knew several days before that it could be very very bad and did nothing. wrong. ng spokesmen have stated that orderes to activate were sent out up to 48 hours prior to the storm hitting. this was on msnbc not noted as a conservative bastion. they should have pre-deployed 10 to 20000 gaurdsman before the storm just out of the path of the worst of it on east and west sides and had them ready to move in as storm left to maintain law and order and to aid in rescue and flood control. as the ng spokesman said its hard to be absolutely sure where to deploy when you arent sure exact paths of destruction or where the greatest need will be in that destruction. thus they deployed after the storm as is standard procedure. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. miles wrote roy wrote i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. ive heard reports of 20000 to 40000 being deployed by this weekend. its a logistics nightmare to get it all organized. they have been given arrest powers and marshal law has been established in some areas. too bad more people didnt heed the warnings to evacuate. while some couldnt for a variety of reasons i dont think 200000 people have such reasons other than stupidity. i think that govenment was asleep at the switch as usual for last 4+years on this one and only got serious after the fact and bad press. they knew several days before that it could be very very bad and did nothing. they should have pre-deployed 10 to 20000 gaurdsman before the storm just out of the path of the worst of it on east and west sides and had them ready to move in as storm left to maintain law and order and to aid in rescue and flood control. government has really dropped the ball here on this one at state and federal levels because it is not like they had no warning. they could have had things under much better control than they do now if people calling the shots really knew what they were doing. i read that the day after storm that one levee had not failed yet but was weaking and they were going to use army blackhawk choppers to set 3000 lbs sand bags several hundred to shore thing up but some higher up clueless individual deverted the choppers and the levee failed later that day and set back recovery another 1 to 2 month caused untold additional damage and loss of life. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gulf-coast-ftopict136535.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=662220 .

From : max dodge

lol completely not true. they were expecting major flooding during the storm and when it didnt happen right away they thought that they got off lucky until the levees failed that it. your claims back up the fact that their plan failed. if they expected exactly what happened and it took an extra day for it to happen then th mayor of no is at fault not the ng or the feds. ok fine. either way you are now prepared to some degree for if it happens again and i doubt that the people in charge will wait until after the next major stor in your area to even begin the planning. the plan is in palace and has been executed correctly several times. 20 helos with rescue equipment was nothing for the level of damage and number of people in trouble yea i would say nothing. i just heard a report that 40% of the uscg helos were on scene. thats 80 aircraft. a bit more than nothing. they should have been activated prior to the storm since they knew that it was comming. according to the ng spokesman on msnbc they were. yes it is but a storm that powerful is going to cause significant damage to wherever it strikes and we should have been somewhat ready for it and we simply dropped the ball big time. no. see what you fail to understand is a disaster is a disaster because its a huge bad event. until it happens dealing with it perfectly is impossible. too bad they arent all exactly alike then people like you could have the perfection you desire. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. you are correct and much of this planning should have occured before the storm. any planning after it should only be dealing with the unexpected. well the way they say the flooding in no was unexpected. obviously that is a major disruption to plans if in fact they were following any. lol completely not true. they were expecting major flooding during the storm and when it didnt happen right away they thought that they got off lucky until the levees failed that it. yea probably because your governor knows now to begin planning and gathering supplies when the storm is expected not after it hits so your local people have what they need to do their jobs. i dont care how much your local people know it they dont have what they need they can do nothing. actually it was a local senator by the name of dan flood no im not joking that had a major part in getting state and fed funding to build a floodwall. our governor has had very little to do with our plans and the one we have now probably would rather talk football than govern. i will say this in rendells favor he has said he will find state funding to erect a floodwall at the next town up if the feds wont fund it. ok fine. either way you are now prepared to some degree for if it happens again and i doubt that the people in charge will wait until after the next major stor in your area to even begin the planning. the uscg was there within hours. with nothing. 20 helos with rescue equipment was nothing for the level of damage and number of people in trouble yea i would say nothing. ng branches were there within a day. and should have been there within hours. you do realize the ng is made up from people who live in the affected area beyond that itll take a day to get other state ng activated. they should have been activated prior to the storm since they knew that it was comming. simple answer plan ahead and be prepared next time. hurricanes are not surprise events like an earthquake or a tornado. but according to another thread you claim the path is unpredictable..... whatever.... yes it is but a storm that powerful is going to cause significant damage to wherever it strikes and we should have been somewhat ready for it and we simply dropped the ball big time. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : thenewguy

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From : thenewguy

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From : max dodge

what part of could do nothing until requested by the mayor or governor escapes you the fact that it is complete bullshit and a lame excuse. wrong. its a constitutional fact. the federal government cannot take charge of a state emergency until asked to do so. in this case its been acknowledged that the gov. of la. did not allow federal command to take over soon enough. he could have made sure that the military was ready to move the instant it was needed as well as making sure that military aircraft and equipment was available and ready the instant that it was called for. the states are in charge of the ng and according to msnbc the ng had its alert filed on saturday prior to the storm. he also could have and should have had his ass back in the white house prior to the storm to give the appearance the he and the gubberment were ready to deal with whatever happened due to the storm and afterward. the fact that so many people and services commented negatively on him not being there more than backs up my point retard. the services had no clue they were listening to the people not the government agencies. doing the right thing isnt a popularity contest. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. you ignorant ass pkb! bush could do nothing until help was requested by the new orleans mayor the one who let over 300 school busses sit unused and then screamed it be racism that the feds didnt help evac the people; or the governor of louisiana who refused to admit that they were overwhelmed while i agree with you on who should get most of the blame bush could have and should have done more than he did which was well nothing. what part of could do nothing until requested by the mayor or governor escapes you the fact that it is complete bullshit and a lame excuse. he could have made sure that the military was ready to move the instant it was needed as well as making sure that military aircraft and equipment was available and ready the instant that it was called for. he also could have and should have had his ass back in the white house prior to the storm to give the appearance the he and the gubberment were ready to deal with whatever happened due to the storm and afterward. the fact that so many people and services commented negatively on him not being there more than backs up my point retard. and could he have done nothing better in wash dc just keep your head in the sand we are used to it. it shows the appearance that he actually gives a damn and to even say that he could have done nothing better in the white house just shows who is the real stupid and ignorant fuck. now get back to your fuzzy math. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

the apperance of giving a damn. so diverting af1 and dropping it 30000 feet closer to the earth wasnt enough of course that was part of his delay in getting back to d.c. never mind that hes made two trips to the affected area since then. or that his security would have been in question prior to then. how about the rants he has directed at the oil companies for being totally unable to cope with the demand placed on them by the u.s. mainly because they keep exporting our resources looked to me like he was pissed but hey i dont know the man he could have been joking around. how perceptive of you. except for the need to have an offical residence and headquarters for our president technology has made one helluva difference since the white house was rebuilt in 1814 or so. yes it has but if you really think that it is 100% as effective as him being there then you really are a fool. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. how do you know that the answer is that you dont and this is where the appearance thing comes in. for all i or you know he could have been out fishing while this stuff was going on. i am not saying that he was but there is that appearance thing again. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. bullshit!!!!! while he is president his home is the white house. he is the leader of the most powerful country in the world and much is expected of him. if he cannot handle it he should resign. funny how you expect more of clinton though. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. he did not need to be at the disaster site and i have no problem with the amount of time he took to get there. but you want him to talk to the people face to face for appearances sake and because its the best way to know what they need according to you. flip frigging flop. he should have been at the white house prior to the storm landfall for appearance sake alone and he didnt do it. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. the appearance of what the apperance of giving a damn. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. how perceptive of you. except for the need to have an offical residence and headquarters for our president technology has made one helluva difference since the white house was rebuilt in 1814 or so. yes it has but if you really think that it is 100% as effective as him being there then you really are a fool. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. back at what post you do realize that he has all information brought to him personally. he doesnt just sit and watch special tvs. how do you know that the answer is that you dont and this is where the appearance thing comes in. for all i or you know he could have been out fishing while this stuff was going on. i am not saying that he was but there is that appearance thing again. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. given that you understand his physical location is one of appearances only maybe its time for you to shut the hell up and realize he cannot be everywhere at once. maybe its time you realized that no matter what party he belongs to a president cannot be more than a man who needs a vacation time at home and lots of people and services to bring info to him no matter where he is. bullshit!!!!! while he is president his home is the white house. he is the leader of the most powerful cou

From : thenewguy

tom lawrence wrote and at 550mph and 25000 feet thats all the closer he wanted to get. wonder what he saw from up there try about 250mph at 2500 feet. but still - not the same as seeing it from the ground... which is impossible. if it was in a chopper that baby will not do 250. maybe 200 if it is light and you really push it but that is close to rotor stall speed on that chooper. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gulf-coast-ftopict136535.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=662387 .

From : tbone

suddenly without warning geekboy exclaimed 05-sep-05 603 pm suddenly without warning cigarski exclaimed 05-sep-05 112 am she who must be obeyed has decided that we will be going away for the christmas holiday. she has decided on london. so a question for our brothers across the pond over there on airstrip one. would london be a good place to visit during the holidays hows the weather at that time of year most importantly; can you still smoke cigars in england cigarski - might even learn some proper english... well as one of those across the pond folks. couldnt tell you about cigars as i dont smoke. i do know that smoking in public places pubs restaurants throughout the uk is getting as limited as in the us which for me is good im allergic to secondhand smoke but i like pub food. i personally avoid london cause im a country girl. that said city folks *love* london - lots of theatres plays tons and tons of shopping and whatever else city folks like to do. lots of tourist things. public transport is easy and cheap round-trip from almost any two points in the city is about 4. ive spent the occassional week there and have enjoyed myself. the british museum of natural history is very cool as is the british museum. theres some beautiful parks; some flowers bloom here in winter. if you like country though consider going further north. i personally think north yorkshire and scotland are some of the most beautiful places on earth. oh the weather there what they say is true. wet very windy and cold wind chill cold; winter temps are generally 35-45f. snow sometimes though london seems to be the warmest spot in the uk. if you come north it could snow. oh and to keep this almost but not quite sort of on topic they drive on the other side of the road g. if you get a rental car it *will* be a stick which will be on your left you have to ask for an automatic but rental companies generally keep only one or two in their fleet. i wouldnt drive in london anyway. congestion charge is i think 8 per day in the city centre and parking charges are outrageous. jmc londistan nothing but muslims indians and people from pakistan there now. sigh obviously never been there huh i have quite recently. only saw a few of these nationalities most are further north; bradford has a large muslim population. and so what i dont think the dutch are saying so what now. they about to get ready to kick them all out jmc .

From : transurgeon

where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. you ignorant ass pkb! bush could do nothing until help was requested by the new orleans mayor the one who let over 300 school busses sit unused and then screamed it be racism that the feds didnt help evac the people; or the governor of louisiana who refused to admit that they were overwhelmed while i agree with you on who should get most of the blame bush could have and should have done more than he did which was well nothing. what part of could do nothing until requested by the mayor or governor escapes you the fact that it is complete bullshit and a lame excuse. he could have made sure that the military was ready to move the instant it was needed as well as making sure that military aircraft and equipment was available and ready the instant that it was called for. he also could have and should have had his ass back in the white house prior to the storm to give the appearance the he and the gubberment were ready to deal with whatever happened due to the storm and afterward. the fact that so many people and services commented negatively on him not being there more than backs up my point retard. and could he have done nothing better in wash dc just keep your head in the sand we are used to it. it shows the appearance that he actually gives a damn and to even say that he could have done nothing better in the white house just shows who is the real stupid and ignorant fuck. now get back to your fuzzy math. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : thenewguy

where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. you ignorant ass pkb! bush could do nothing until help was requested by the new orleans mayor the one who let over 300 school busses sit unused and then screamed it be racism that the feds didnt help evac the people; or the governor of louisiana who refused to admit that they were overwhelmed while i agree with you on who should get most of the blame bush could have and should have done more than he did which was well nothing. what part of could do nothing until requested by the mayor or governor escapes you and could he have done nothing better in wash dc jesus mary and joseph you are one stupid fuck .

From : thenewguy

on mon 05 sep 2005 170545 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. just as i expected... invective instead of clear headed thought.... you are hopeless..... lol sure mike call me names for voicing my opinion against your god and it is ok but get it in response and i am the bad one. now who is the hopeless one you. yep that is pretty much it. .

From : tbone

big al wrote every 318 or 360 i ave ever owned 3 360s or driven over a dozen pinged a little or in the case of the 2000s and 2001s a lot. i didnt buy a 2000 ram and that was one of the main reason. bdk 2003 hemi ram.. ive only owned two. a 90 and a 92. both pinged until i put colder plugs in. the 92 tows everything and has most of its life. i run 87 in it and it never pings. with the factory plugs it would ping under medium power output. give it more or less throttle and it would quit. al 92 w250 360 5 speed. when you put in colder plug you are in effect retarding the spped of spread of the flame after ignition and reducing engine efficency. you may have think you cured it but your cure is costing you in fuel consumption and give that with today price that better fuel can be bought for a mere 2 or 3% more way would you insist on still using the lowest octane fuel you can buy when mpg gains can more than offset the cost -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-milage-premium-fuel-ftopict136209.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=662055 .

From : thenewguy

suddenly without warning geekboy exclaimed 05-sep-05 603 pm suddenly without warning cigarski exclaimed 05-sep-05 112 am she who must be obeyed has decided that we will be going away for the christmas holiday. she has decided on london. so a question for our brothers across the pond over there on airstrip one. would london be a good place to visit during the holidays hows the weather at that time of year most importantly; can you still smoke cigars in england cigarski - might even learn some proper english... well as one of those across the pond folks. couldnt tell you about cigars as i dont smoke. i do know that smoking in public places pubs restaurants throughout the uk is getting as limited as in the us which for me is good im allergic to secondhand smoke but i like pub food. i personally avoid london cause im a country girl. that said city folks *love* london - lots of theatres plays tons and tons of shopping and whatever else city folks like to do. lots of tourist things. public transport is easy and cheap round-trip from almost any two points in the city is about 4. ive spent the occassional week there and have enjoyed myself. the british museum of natural history is very cool as is the british museum. theres some beautiful parks; some flowers bloom here in winter. if you like country though consider going further north. i personally think north yorkshire and scotland are some of the most beautiful places on earth. oh the weather there what they say is true. wet very windy and cold wind chill cold; winter temps are generally 35-45f. snow sometimes though london seems to be the warmest spot in the uk. if you come north it could snow. oh and to keep this almost but not quite sort of on topic they drive on the other side of the road g. if you get a rental car it *will* be a stick which will be on your left you have to ask for an automatic but rental companies generally keep only one or two in their fleet. i wouldnt drive in london anyway. congestion charge is i think 8 per day in the city centre and parking charges are outrageous. jmc londistan nothing but muslims indians and people from pakistan there now. sigh obviously never been there huh i have quite recently. only saw a few of these nationalities most are further north; bradford has a large muslim population. and so what jmc .

From : tbone

is there a particular reason why you have to be a fucking asshole towards me anymore no particular reason. youre making so much noise after the fact of what should have been done before the flood but i dont remember seeing you write a word about getting ready for it before it happened. i happen to agree the respond time was way to long but i or you cannot change that. i can do what i can to help red cross donate blood canned foods water ect and you can bitch on a group about it. think about it. lol all the noise that i made... perhaps you should actually read the thread and see how much i actually said. i dont recall you writing about what could be done before the storm either btw. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. you ignorant ass pkb! bush could do nothing until help was requested by the new orleans mayor the one who let over 300 school busses sit unused and then screamed it be racism that the feds didnt help evac the people; or the governor of louisiana who refused to admit that they were overwhelmed while i agree with you on who should get most of the blame bush could have and should have done more than he did which was well nothing. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

novak was not the author of the commentary in question. never said he was. any site with novaks name is going to pander to those who worship at the altar of conservatism in general and bush in particular. food for thought........ http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405ds.html http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405sc.html http//www.investors.com/editorial/ibdarticles.aspartsec=20 although it will likely make no difference since many have already made their minds up in spite of the facts.. bob novak theres a truly unbiased reporter/commentator; not. .

From : tbone

suddenly without warning cigarski exclaimed 05-sep-05 112 am she who must be obeyed has decided that we will be going away for the christmas holiday. she has decided on london. so a question for our brothers across the pond over there on airstrip one. would london be a good place to visit during the holidays hows the weather at that time of year most importantly; can you still smoke cigars in england cigarski - might even learn some proper english... well as one of those across the pond folks. couldnt tell you about cigars as i dont smoke. i do know that smoking in public places pubs restaurants throughout the uk is getting as limited as in the us which for me is good im allergic to secondhand smoke but i like pub food. i personally avoid london cause im a country girl. that said city folks *love* london - lots of theatres plays tons and tons of shopping and whatever else city folks like to do. lots of tourist things. public transport is easy and cheap round-trip from almost any two points in the city is about 4. ive spent the occassional week there and have enjoyed myself. the british museum of natural history is very cool as is the british museum. theres some beautiful parks; some flowers bloom here in winter. if you like country though consider going further north. i personally think north yorkshire and scotland are some of the most beautiful places on earth. oh the weather there what they say is true. wet very windy and cold wind chill cold; winter temps are generally 35-45f. snow sometimes though london seems to be the warmest spot in the uk. if you come north it could snow. oh and to keep this almost but not quite sort of on topic they drive on the other side of the road g. if you get a rental car it *will* be a stick which will be on your left you have to ask for an automatic but rental companies generally keep only one or two in their fleet. i wouldnt drive in london anyway. congestion charge is i think 8 per day in the city centre and parking charges are outrageous. jmc londistan nothing but muslims indians and people from pakistan there now. .

From : max dodge

just as i expected... invective instead of clear headed thought.... you are hopeless..... mr. president we have consulted with our industry experts and the conclusion for more effective communication in the future between the government and the affected citizens is fuck you mike. well have our speech-writers get on this asap. thank you mr. president. .

From : transurgeon

suddenly without warning cigarski exclaimed 05-sep-05 112 am she who must be obeyed has decided that we will be going away for the christmas holiday. she has decided on london. so a question for our brothers across the pond over there on airstrip one. would london be a good place to visit during the holidays hows the weather at that time of year most importantly; can you still smoke cigars in england cigarski - might even learn some proper english... well as one of those across the pond folks. couldnt tell you about cigars as i dont smoke. i do know that smoking in public places pubs restaurants throughout the uk is getting as limited as in the us which for me is good im allergic to secondhand smoke but i like pub food. i personally avoid london cause im a country girl. that said city folks *love* london - lots of theatres plays tons and tons of shopping and whatever else city folks like to do. lots of tourist things. public transport is easy and cheap round-trip from almost any two points in the city is about 4. ive spent the occassional week there and have enjoyed myself. the british museum of natural history is very cool as is the british museum. theres some beautiful parks; some flowers bloom here in winter. if you like country though consider going further north. i personally think north yorkshire and scotland are some of the most beautiful places on earth. oh the weather there what they say is true. wet very windy and cold wind chill cold; winter temps are generally 35-45f. snow sometimes though london seems to be the warmest spot in the uk. if you come north it could snow. oh and to keep this almost but not quite sort of on topic they drive on the other side of the road g. if you get a rental car it *will* be a stick which will be on your left you have to ask for an automatic but rental companies generally keep only one or two in their fleet. i wouldnt drive in london anyway. congestion charge is i think 8 per day in the city centre and parking charges are outrageous. jmc .

From : Annonymous

and ... what is it max that i am not seeing your view point the pro-bush-no-matter-what view point ya know you are just looking for some wool or sand to cover your eyes. im far from pro bush. i show you exactly what the jag has to say about who controls the ng and you whine about it. i put forth the accepted time line for a reliefe effort and you whine about it. fact is until you assess the disaster you cannot send relief. then you have to get supplies and personnel. after getting it together you have to get in then execute the plan. oh i see it ... and its pathetic. we the federal government and neighboring state governments can do better at every level with a little leadership. bingo. duh and all that. wtf a city 10 undersea level at low tide and they had no plan to evac the residents with no cars wtf all cities have residents without cars. wtf a levee designed for cat 3 hurricane and a cat 4 shows up and they figure all is well wtf no plan to bolster the levees if a problem develops then you bash the federal and state agencies. guess what uscg was busy pulling people from roof tops thousands. it takes 10 minutes to pull one person from a roof top. max capacity 3-6 persons. 20 minutes to drop off passengers. days to get them all. so you want to drop supplies to people using helicopters but all available are pulling rooftop rescue. you do realize that all aircraft are pulled from the path of a huirricane right once pulled they have to have a landing zone cleared for use. i could go on and on about logistics. fact is disaster relief starts at the site and goes outward. i see things as they are and how they should be max. no you dont. you see things as how you think they can be but you dont have a clue as to the chain of command let alone the logistics of rescuing thousands of individuals one at a time. storm was monday. relief on friday. pitiful. no its damn good. as ive challenged others find one major disaster where relief came within two days let alone next day. even september 11th took threee days to bring in the full amount of relief and that was minor in regard to number of people and amount of area involved. hell the city was shut down for a day. almost as pitiful as the arguments used to excuse it. and yet youve come up with nothing that provides a means to accomplish what you feel should have been done on a time frame which would satisfy you. weve spent all of this time talking about the ng and ang. what about the coast guard what about them they were on scene the next day. you did see all the tv footage of them pulling people off roof tops right oh wait you probably have some excuse why bush didnt tap that resource either right let me guess ... its the democrats fault excuse bush didnt tap it because they were on scene. wtf were you watching i was watching orange helos pulling people off rooftops on tuesday by wednesday i was seeing blackhawks doing the same. wtf do you want from these people -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. and ... what is it max that i am not seeing your view point the pro-bush-no-matter-what view point oh i see it ... and its pathetic. we the federal government and neighboring state governments can do better at every level with a little leadership. i see things as they are and how they should be max. storm was monday. relief on friday. pitiful. almost as pitiful as the arguments used to excuse it. weve spent all of this time talking about the ng and ang. what about the coast guard oh wait you probably have some excuse why bush didnt tap that resource either right let me guess ... its the democrats fault craig c. .

From : max dodge

is there a particular reason why you have to be a fucking asshole towards me anymore no particular reason. youre making so much noise after the fact of what should have been done before the flood but i dont remember seeing you write a word about getting ready for it before it happened. i happen to agree the respond time was way to long but i or you cannot change that. i can do what i can to help red cross donate blood canned foods water ect and you can bitch on a group about it. think about it. denny .

From : tom lawrence

suddenly without warning roy exclaimed 03-sep-05 117 am why cant amtrack make a profit on their own because it wasnt designed to do so. amtrak is the orphan of the rail bankruptcy of the ne u.s. in the 1970s. amtrak started with junk facilities and a promise to fund rehab work until it could survive on its own. this has never been fully realized because the feds consistantly underfund it. compared to what it began with amtrak is shorter on routemiles barely more modern and headed for complete bankruptcy. well said. meanwhile conrail the freight entity created at the same time was funded consistantly until it was able to turn itself into a profitable corporation owned by the federal government. since the government in theory isnt supposed to own something where the private sector would be in competition conrail was offered to the highest bidder in the 90s iirc. it was eventually split between two railraods csx corp and norfolk southern. amtraks biggest problem imo has been the lack of trackage it can call its own usually sharing route miles with freight rail. in many cases it uses the rail lines owned by freight railroads. thus it is at the mercy of the freight roads in terms of scheduling stations and at times motive power. very true especially in ct they are stuck behind locals all the time. if this country changes its attitude towards how amtrak is structured and towards energy policies that dont have long term goals maybe amtrak will work. very true but they need some people in there that know how to run a railroad. a politically appointed board of directors that changes with administrations does it no good either. for steve scott this is where i first ran into haley barbour he was appointed to the amtrak bod. didnt know shit about railroad but that didnt stop him from fucking it up. roy hey why doesnt someone just offer a boatload of money for someone competent from the uk or europe to help fix the us train system. oh wait. maybe europe. im impressed with the breadth of the british rail system but not the quality. for example 40 minute train ride once took nearly two hours because there were *leaves on the tracks*. in fall. in england. duh! did that incident this summer where a couple of passenger trains got stranded and they wouldnt let people out of the cars until they started passing out from the heat sigh tho usually weve had no problems. it was smooth sailing to/from york today beautiful sunny hot for here weather. ive had few problems on the london train no more than ive had travelling by air anyway. jmc .

From : tbone

fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. the appearance of what if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. how perceptive of you. except for the need to have an offical residence and headquarters for our president technology has made one helluva difference since the white house was rebuilt in 1814 or so. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. back at what post you do realize that he has all information brought to him personally. he doesnt just sit and watch special tvs. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. given that you understand his physical location is one of appearances only maybe its time for you to shut the hell up and realize he cannot be everywhere at once. maybe its time you realized that no matter what party he belongs to a president cannot be more than a man who needs a vacation time at home and lots of people and services to bring info to him no matter where he is. even i was making fun of his overflight of the affected area but the fact is he was on the ground asap given the security risks. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

and they have plenty of swamp boats built just for that purpose. whos they you know this for a fact you know they werent isolated or even destroyed by the storm and you know that every one of them were ya know tom... you seem to have all this figured out. why the hell arent you down there telling everyone what they should be doing bourbon street could have been rocking again tonight if you were in charge... is this the best that you can do tom do you think that the best job possible has been done so far you make the claim that there are swamps in the way but they have always been there and are a way of life for the people that live near them and they have equipment to deal with it. i never said that i knew everything or had all of the answers but compared to the way the situation is currently being handled i probably could do a better job at least in the beginning. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

food for thought........ http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405ds.html http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405sc.html http//www.investors.com/editorial/ibdarticles.aspartsec=20 although it will likely make no difference since many have already made their minds up in spite of the facts.. bob novak theres a truly unbiased reporter/commentator; not. .

From : max dodge

i have transmission problems.when i take off my truck reves up really high and it goes real slow.i changed the filter and fluid in trans.it drove like a new truck for about 10 miles then it started to do the same thing all over again.please help me. it is a 1999 dodge ram 1500 318 v8 with 90000 miles does it rev up really high in both forward and reverse if it does it only in forward gears the rear clutch is slipping. .

From : thenewguy

where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. just as i expected... invective instead of clear headed thought.... you are hopeless..... mike he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

we gotta vote him in. he knows them swamp boats are everywhere down there so with that kind of smarts hed be the best president we ever had. the world would be saved...... denny why we already have a asshole in the white house. roy what is one more at least we know where they are. coasty .

From : tbone

on sun 04 sep 2005 163908 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. fuck you mike yeah i sure dont understand why no one around here likes you. as for the response to the katrina it was terrible. we thought that we had our planning down but this really shows how much work we have to do. why you blame bush for that is beyond me though. the local state and federal response isnt lead by bush but rather by americans who are supposed to have their shit together. i suspect this will be a wake up call and that there will be some changes. look at beekeeps video. is it bushs fault that two cops where in that walmart looting no bush isnt at fault here you idiot. it was other peoples jobs to get this done not bush. now what i expect bush to do is to kick a whole of ass fire some people and get some people in there that can get the job done. .

From : tbone

is there a particular reason why you have to be a fucking asshole towards me anymore probably the same reason you have to be a fucking asshole towards anyone else in this group. cmon ya know ya want to bark at me...... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. is there a particular reason why you have to be a fucking asshole towards me anymore -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving we gotta vote him in. he knows them swamp boats are everywhere down there so with that kind of smarts hed be the best president we ever had. the world would be saved...... denny .

From : tbone

almost reminds me of a gmc. check out pictures at http//www.autoblog.com/entry/1234000663030883 .

From : tom lawrence

we gotta vote him in. he knows them swamp boats are everywhere down there so with that kind of smarts hed be the best president we ever had. the world would be saved...... denny why we already have a asshole in the white house. roy .

From : tom lawrence

on sun 04 sep 2005 015137 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote we gotta vote him in. he knows them swamp boats are everywhere down there so with that kind of smarts hed be the best president we ever had. the world would be saved...... denny jfc like were not spending enough money trying to preserve obsolete farm machinery. if you really want a good laugh watch this video clip http//www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart beekeep .

From : mike simmons

we gotta vote him in. he knows them swamp boats are everywhere down there so with that kind of smarts hed be the best president we ever had. the world would be saved...... denny .

From : denny

it had like some muddy substance around the magnet but that was all. .

From : tbone

and you know that every one of them were no tom - i dont know... i have no fucking clue just like you. the difference is i dont spout off like i do know pointing out everything that was done wrong and how it could have been so much better. do you think that the best job possible has been done so far no and it never is. your expectations of perfection will always be missed... therefore always giving you an opportunity to piss and moan. maybe theres a reason for that.... you make the claim that there are swamps in the way but they have always been there and are a way of life for the people that live near them and they have equipment to deal with it. they dont routinely transport thousands of tons of supplies across them now do they tom no - they usually bring in things via i-10 which if you havent noticed is sitting at the bottom of the fucking lake. other roads under water. the airport closed to all traffic - and unless you were coming in with a j3 cub on floats you werent landing. the situation is currently being handled i probably could do a better job put your money where your mouth is pal.... go make it all better. .

From : Annonymous

no they cannot. i showed you the document and you refuse to believe it. fact you dont have proof just repeated claims. explain ngs role in vietnam and in the current war if the federal government has no power over them. ah ... its their fault. you really cleared it up for me. yeah it is their fault. model american. nuff said. craig c. .

From : rod betty jo

well let me spell it out for you. sunday impact with no was 100% for sure. 175 mph winds. no crystal ball needed. just someone to get their head out of their ass long enough to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. one may note that the full brunt of the hurricane missed no and hit mississippi instead......a little observation clearly shows largely intact buildings albeit quite wet. the day following the storm everyone including the media and no local politicians were soundly congratulating themselves for their wonderful pre storm preparations including the soon to be ill fated packed stadium. there was as well lots of bragging about pre storm preparation between the locals and the feds. and a massive sigh of relief that the storm had dropped from cat5 to cat4 upon hitting landfall and had veered away from heavily populated no. then as the levy fell the initial hopeful expectation was to fix it and stop the flow.....as night fall came on the second day it became apparent that such a outcome was nearly impossible. by the third day the city was largely flooded. of greater note with a nearly 100 mile wide swath of massive destruction through mississippi manpower resources and rescue was rightly focused where the storm actually hit....... one might even surmise that no with a reasonably slow rising48hr flood and a city supposedly already emptied would be largely a long term repair/ cleanup and not a budding emergency. one might also surmise that the localscommon sense would have propositioned reasonable food water fuel and portable restrooms before filling the stadium and convention center...... timelines and realities on the ground may wreck a good rant but nonetheless they exist. a large scale emergency mobilization costs literally billions of dollars and disrupts thousand of lives reserves and volunteers its just not something that can be done because something might happen.....at any given time something might happen virtually anywhere preparation before the fact is by necessity general and non specific....i.e. at this point mississippi and no have entirely different needs including rescue manpower and equipment requirements. realistically in this case a flood specific response on a national level begins 2-3 days after the initial hurricane.....not to mention logistics of distance add considerable transport time. requirements for initial local information about transportation assets remaining or available airports roads and rail is needed as well. americans deserve the best our government and military can offer in times of crises. republican president or democrat ... i expect the same. i guess you could call that an agenda. craig c. no argument there......however an expectation based on reality is not a bad thing. rod well said rod.... but sigh.... sadly reality is not the strong suit of some in the group.... much easier to rant about something of which you know little.... mike .

From : tom lawrence

and they have plenty of swamp boats built just for that purpose. whos they you know this for a fact you know they werent isolated or even destroyed by the storm ya know tom... you seem to have all this figured out. why the hell arent you down there telling everyone what they should be doing bourbon street could have been rocking again tonight if you were in charge... gawd my side hurts........quit now......... denny .

From : tbone

and they have plenty of swamp boats built just for that purpose. whos they you know this for a fact you know they werent isolated or even destroyed by the storm ya know tom... you seem to have all this figured out. why the hell arent you down there telling everyone what they should be doing bourbon street could have been rocking again tonight if you were in charge... .

From : roy

i have transmission problems.when i take off my truck reves up really high and it goes real slow.i changed the filter and fluid in trans.it drove like a new truck for about 10 miles then it started to do the same thing all over again.please help me. it is a 1999 dodge ram 1500 318 v8 with 90000 miles .

From : tom lawrence

roy wrote lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! yes. bush is a fuckup. bob looks like there are a whole bunch of people fucking up. roy .

From : bob m

roy wrote okay bush has said the response has been slow and not enough. going to send in the marines and the 101st and the 1st. cav. is the 1 cav still air mobile or am i dating myself are any of these units air mobile as in helicopters from www.globalsecurity.org the armys first cavalry unit the 1st squadron 1st united states cavalry 1st regiment of dragoons is better known as the blackhawk. the squadron is a divisional cavalry unit and is made up of three ground troops two air troops one headquarters troop and one aviation maintenance troop. the 101st airborne division air assault provides forcible entry capability through heliborne air assault operations. capable of inserting a 4000 soldier combined arms task force 150-kilometers into enemy terrain in one lift and possessing 281 helicopters including three battalions of apache attack helicopters this division is the most versatile in the army. .

From : max dodge

absolutely positively no k&n filtration systems of any kind on your engine. they simply dont filter enough particulate matter. afes pg7 filters have been shown through oil analysis to work well as well as the uni dual-stage foam filters being used in the scotty air systems intakes. tom whats your take on the bhaf for those that dont know what that is its a big honkin air filter. just remove the factory filter box and hose clamp one of the following part number filters on the end of the inlet hose to the turbo. these things are huge. pictures http//www.geocities.com/robertballard22655/napa2790.html fleetguard ah19037 napa 2790 wix 42790 donaldson b105006 baldwin pa2820 hastings af1012 afe 20-40044 carquest 87790 john deere pmah19037 big a 93790 caterpillar 3i0005 fleetrite ahr819037 luber-finer laf2531 fram ca6818 uni 908 .

From : max dodge

you are correct and much of this planning should have occured before the storm. any planning after it should only be dealing with the unexpected. well the way they say the flooding in no was unexpected. obviously that is a major disruption to plans if in fact they were following any. yea probably because your governor knows now to begin planning and gathering supplies when the storm is expected not after it hits so your local people have what they need to do their jobs. i dont care how much your local people know it they dont have what they need they can do nothing. actually it was a local senator by the name of dan flood no im not joking that had a major part in getting state and fed funding to build a floodwall. our governor has had very little to do with our plans and the one we have now probably would rather talk football than govern. i will say this in rendells favor he has said he will find state funding to erect a floodwall at the next town up if the feds wont fund it. the uscg was there within hours. with nothing. 20 helos with rescue equipment was nothing ng branches were there within a day. and should have been there within hours. you do realize the ng is made up from people who live in the affected area beyond that itll take a day to get other state ng activated. simple answer plan ahead and be prepared next time. hurricanes are not surprise events like an earthquake or a tornado. but according to another thread you claim the path is unpredictable..... whatever.... -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. well let me spell it out for you. sunday impact with no was 100% for sure. 175 mph winds. no crystal ball needed. just someone to get their head out of their ass long enough to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. yup like say no municipal government and the la state government. hell im watching senator lott run down the time line as to how they are actually ahead of the curve in how things went compared to other storms. lol yea they set a bs timeline like you did and then they can claim how they are ahead of it. i wont comment on your timeline ... i dont agree. i could have driven to no 6 times with supplies in the time it took you to assess the situation. yeah with one vehicle loaded by who to what effect on a mass of over 20000 people takes time to put together an co-ordinated effort not just hours. you are correct and much of this planning should have occured before the storm. any planning after it should only be dealing with the unexpected. okay max if that helps you sleep. speaking of sleep im going to go catch a few zs. tomorrow im actually doing something about it. good for you. were sending all our local red cross people to help you. and local ambulance crews. and our money. and likely more in the days to follow. see we remember this shit we went through agnes and got flooded out for days ourselves. we didnt have a big city to take care of us and our capital was flooded out as well. we had graveyards popping out coffins mine runoff poisoning our drinking water and no way to get to any safe major city within 100 miles. we learned from it so now when a storm comes through we deal with it. we dont blame the president or the governor. we have local people who know their jobs and they do those jobs. yea probably because your governor knows now to begin planning and gathering supplies when the storm is expected not after it hits so your local people have what they need to do their jobs. i dont care how much your local people know it they dont have what they need they can do nothing. americans deserve the best our government and military can offer in times of crises. republican president or democrat ... i expect the same. i guess you could call that an agenda. they got the best. complete bullshit!!!! the uscg was there within hours. with nothing. ng branches were there within a day. and should have been there within hours. why not tell one of those guys that help wasnt there in time and you have an idea how to make it faster next time. im sure youll have a very interested audience. simple answer plan ahead and be prepared next time. hurricanes are not surprise events like an earthquake or a tornado. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : bdk

yes the response could have been faster. air drops of food and supplies. medical personnel centrally located and clean up crews to gather the dead. all could be done within 48 hours. if you disagree ... then tell me why. what is so unreasonable about a 48 hour response like i described above there are plenty of volunteers ... just no direction. direction == leadership btw kerry is an idiot too. there now do you feel better have i stroked your feathers the right way now follow your own advice ... do something. the no mayor said it best get off your asses! craig c. yes mayor get off your dead ass and utilize the resources at your disposal. how about all these unused busses that could have been used for evacuation after all youre a genius you knew what a disaster was coming and you left them there to flood. you live in a glass house mayor and youre deflecting attention from your own incompetence. congrats to craig for offering up his spare rooms to the victims. let us know how it goes. http//.yahoo.com/tmpl=story&u=/050901/480/flpc21109012015 .

From : max dodge

and ... what is it max that i am not seeing your view point the pro-bush-no-matter-what view point oh i see it ... and its pathetic. we the federal government and neighboring state governments can do better at every level with a little leadership. i see things as they are and how they should be max. storm was monday. relief on friday. pitiful. almost as pitiful as the arguments used to excuse it. weve spent all of this time talking about the ng and ang. what about the coast guard oh wait you probably have some excuse why bush didnt tap that resource either right let me guess ... its the democrats fault craig c. .

From : tbone

well hey if his hands are tied his hands are tied right poor guy got the title but no power. the power to command the ng and ang to iraq to kick ass and establish order but not to help his own countrymen. the power to send military personnel into battle without congressional approval ... but not to help his countrymen. that max is a giant pile of bovine excrement. you know better ... we all know better. fortunately its not. its the direct result of a bunch of guys getting together and making sure that a federal government could never take over the soverignty of the state. i place on the blame on government for our response time. even bush himself said it was unacceptable. it needed better leadership. hrm ... i wonder who could have done that while you are wondering start at the bottom. the people closest to the problem know the most about it and how to solve it. iv already suggested that bush or the pentagon could have had this fleet now being sent waiting in florida. but the responsibility for saving a persons life starts with the person his local government his state then his nation. funny. i believe the response could have been better ... the majority of the public knows it could have have been better and quicker. even our president knows it could have been better as stated on tv. you however have stated that it was ahead of schedule according to your timeline ... and that the slow response time was people of nos fault anyway . i never said the response time was no fault. the evac plan that failed was no fault. ive said the response time was the norm for mobilizing a force to correct a problem. ive also said that the helos were there the next day. hell just watch any channel people are saying it was a domino effect first ya have to get people out of immediate danger then you get them fed. people on rooftops took priority its that simple. perhaps i am a bit idealistic at times but thats better than being lazy and complacent and accepting the status quo. the status quo is okay for rest of the world but not for our own people. its a shame that our elected leader like you is better at making excuses than coming up with ideas to help his people. that mentality is borderline criminal in my opinion. no excuses ive shown you the facts you simply refuse to believe them. you want to talk about the response of the navy ill readily agree but the rest worked fairly well all things considered. the biggest failure in this whole thing is the fact that no didnt follow their plan and didnt have a real plan to get people out stating that personal vehicles were the method. i also lay blame at the feet of those who built the levees who claim they were 85% finished. not good enough. do good things despite your opinion of the president. good luck and stay safe. ; thanks ... i will. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i already have. inside the u.s. the ng is under state command. outside the u.s. they are under federal command. i posted a link showing this. i suggest you look at it and figure it out. well hey if his hands are tied his hands are tied right poor guy got the title but no power. the power to command the ng and ang to iraq to kick ass and establish order but not to help his own countrymen. the power to send military personnel into battle without congressional approval ... but not to help his countrymen. that max is a giant pile of bovine excrement. you know better ... we all know better. placing blame where it belongs is better than whining and blaming for a political agenda. i place on the blame on government for our response time. even bush himself said it was unacceptable. it needed better leadership. hrm ... i wonder who could have done that indeed since youve said nothing for hours now. funny. i believe the response could have been better ... the majority of the public knows it could have have been better and quicker. even our president knows it could have been better as stated on tv. you however have stated that it was ahead of schedule according to your timeline ... and that the slow response time was people of nos fault anyway . perhaps i am a bit idealistic at times but thats better than being lazy and complacent and accepting the status quo. the status quo is okay for rest of the world but not for our own people. its a shame that our elected leader like you is better at making excuses than coming up with ideas to help his people. that mentality is borderline criminal in my opinion. do good things despite your opinion of the president. good luck and stay safe. ; thanks ... i will. craig c. .

From : bdk

on fri 2 sep 2005 175501 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! its kind of hard to drive in 20 feet of water. i think the response is as fast as could be expected. beekeep .

From : john smith

okay bush has said the response has been slow and not enough. going to send in the marines and the 101st and the 1st. cav. is the 1 cav still air mobile or am i dating myself are any of these units air mobile as in helicopters im still amazed that the hospital has not been fully evacuated. lets see if we can all agree that the situation sucks and we gotta do better next time. roy .

From : max dodge

99 durango 4wd 96k miles 5.9l. recently had upper ball joints replaced and only after few thousands one of them is going again. im not even sure what brand the garage put it... they cant find out themselves. in addition it looks like several joints in steering are going pitman arm joint with center arm is loose and left inner tie rod end is loose as well. those joints probably are responsible for mushy steering feel... any recommendations on quality ubjs that will last looks like pitman arm replacement is major pita since one has to take out whole steering gear - any recommendations on how to do this inner tie rod ends seems easy - is it a good idea to replace both sides although right side seems ok tia peter .

From : max dodge

well gosh max if im that much of a lost cause what the fuck are you burning up the keyboard for perhaps youre trying to prove your point rather than see that things can be better. sure things could be better no hurricane for example. but reality is far different from your idealized vision. nope i didnt whine. fact the federal government can assign ng at their descretion in times of emergency. and even if they couldnt ... the fucking govenors requested ng help monday!!!! no they cannot. i showed you the document and you refuse to believe it. fact you dont have proof just repeated claims. no you put forth an unacceptable timeline. thats the point. the timeline is and has been unacceptable. by what standard you do realize that youll need to prove that it can be done faster in order to disprove me and my sources. further youll have to prove that all the tv footage on tuesday was staged in hollywood or where ever and that uscg helos were not actually over no pulling people from rooftops. not sure of your point here. no shit sherlock ... many folks dont have cars. just what was done to try to evacuate them is not known. nothing comes to mind. try the link to the junkyarddog site. fascinating. my argument has been about the post-planning. fema knew 24 hours before it hit that it was going to be a national disaster. of what magnitude what would be needed would no flood hint it did not initially thus the scope of the disaster changed after you claim they should have been in action. according to your dumbass theory ooh the name calling defense..... we need to wait to assess the damage ... burning 48 hours of planning time. lol i never said wait 48 hours i said they wait till the full scope of the disaster is known. thus its not my dumbass plan nor is it unwis to wait till all the facts are in. thats 48 hours btw without food and clean water. have you ever gone 48 hours with food and clean water how about 72 hours doubtful. if you had your timeline would have been shorter. ive done 24 and instead of whining about it i went and helped fill sandbags and then helped deliver them to the break in the dike. we had a plan and followed it. we saved our own asses. hauled 15-20 tons of sandbags often going down the road into town at 14000 lbs in a 8800 lbs gvwr truck. beats the hell out of complaining that aid isnt there before the crisis. 72 hours is a long time to do without and it sucks. but the fact is you cannot go in without a plan based on what actually happened instead of predictions. how then do you explain that repeated requests for federal funding were made to shore up the levees and not only turned down but the budget was cut consistently year after year federal funding comes from the government finance office after congressional approval. notice that no where in all that is the president responsible. i refer you to an interview conducted by msnbc with the gentleman wow did i mention this before yes!!! who requested the funding. when asked if bush was to blame he said no it was governmental beaurocracy that slammed the door on it. fact is disaster relief starts at the site and goes outward. ah ... its their fault. you really cleared it up for me. yeah it is their fault. no plan on reality and when push came to shove forgetting what little plan they had and going without a plan. would you like to read the plan i have the pdf saved. the link in a post by langerhans has all the info. no you dont. you see things as how you think they can be what if this were an attack rather than a hurricane still 72 hours to respond unfortunately yes. to return an attack in force it would take three days to counter with ground forces. air power would be on scene in a day.... like it was on tuesday. as i stated in another post 1982-1994 california earthquakes. i had to write a research paper on the earthquakes of that time period and the effect it had on the economic development of the region. i cant think of a single instance that took this long to get relief efforts churning. in fact when the bridge collpased there were rescue workers and fema presence with 24 hours. there was a fema presence in 24 hours here too. what there was not was a plan by the government of the area involved. i will be leaving in the morning to drive to houston to pick up a homeless no family. ill make sure and let them know just how great of a job you think our government has done. at least i can get them to laugh about something. fine by me. you spread your political bullshit and ill laugh as reality slaps you silly time and again. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. ya know you are just looking for some wool or sand to cover your eyes. well gosh max if im that much of a lost cause what the fuck are you burn

From : max dodge

ya know you are just looking for some wool or sand to cover your eyes. well gosh max if im that much of a lost cause what the fuck are you burning up the keyboard for perhaps youre trying to prove your point rather than see that things can be better. im far from pro bush. i show you exactly what the jag has to say about who controls the ng and you whine about it. nope i didnt whine. fact the federal government can assign ng at their descretion in times of emergency. and even if they couldnt ... the fucking govenors requested ng help monday!!!! i put forth the accepted time line for a reliefe effort no you put forth an unacceptable timeline. thats the point. the timeline is and has been unacceptable. they had no plan to evac the residents with no cars wtf all cities have residents without cars. not sure of your point here. no shit sherlock ... many folks dont have cars. just what was done to try to evacuate them is not known. my argument has been about the post-planning. fema knew 24 hours before it hit that it was going to be a national disaster. according to your dumbass theory we need to wait to assess the damage ... burning 48 hours of planning time. thats 48 hours btw without food and clean water. have you ever gone 48 hours with food and clean water how about 72 hours doubtful. if you had your timeline would have been shorter. wtf a levee designed for cat 3 hurricane and a cat 4 shows up and they figure all is well wtf no plan to bolster the levees if a problem develops how then do you explain that repeated requests for federal funding were made to shore up the levees and not only turned down but the budget was cut consistently year after year fact is disaster relief starts at the site and goes outward. ah ... its their fault. you really cleared it up for me. no you dont. you see things as how you think they can be what if this were an attack rather than a hurricane still 72 hours to respond no its damn good. as ive challenged others find one major disaster where relief came within two days let alone next day. as i stated in another post 1982-1994 california earthquakes. i had to write a research paper on the earthquakes of that time period and the effect it had on the economic development of the region. i cant think of a single instance that took this long to get relief efforts churning. in fact when the bridge collpased there were rescue workers and fema presence with 24 hours. i will be leaving in the morning to drive to houston to pick up a homeless no family. ill make sure and let them know just how great of a job you think our government has done. at least i can get them to laugh about something. craig c. .

From : langerhans

craig@metronet.com wrote snip i have been called a right leaning conservative and it is a pretty good fit. however that being said you are right bush blew it this time. it happened on his watch. hes my guy and im pissed about his lack of leadership but the truth is the truth and i cant defend him or overlook him this time. instead of the shit happens attitude i expected more as in im the president i make shit happen! no such luck. understand though that i think that overall bush was a far better choice than kerry. none the less bush blew it this time. being a looney leftie you probably dont read lionel waxman so i would like to insert his column since he says it better than me. a lot of conservatives are pissed too. remember conservative is not synonymous with stupid or ignorant. adversaries chortle over u.s. unpreparedness lionel waxman ---- september 2 2005 ---- the image of america and its defense of the homeland has been seriously damaged. we look to the world as if we dont know what were doing to handle a natural disaster. we expose to them and to ourselves a new vulnerability which invites attack. wouldnt this be a great time to kick us with a terrorist attack. we are spread so thin and our resources are so badly directed maybe they could spread the misery of the gulf coast to the rest of the country. this is not a happy article. but it is a realistic one. a large dose of reality is needed now especially in the top levels of government. we can see now that even our most senior officials have been sleepwalking through their roles in homeland defense. our preparedness was an illusion. attention al qaeda this is none of your business. hah the demonstrated incompetence is unforgivable. put party allegiance aside. our allegiance is to the united states of america. our very survival is at stake. and the people we have relied upon obviously are not up to the job. we can use this experience as a lesson and establish real emergency management and real homeland defense. or we can continue to publish learned papers and go through the motions and when not if the next catastrophe happens we might not be able to recover in any recognizable form. the president speaking briefly to the nation this morning ad-libbed a short speech in which he said the response was not acceptable. thats putting it mildly. he promised relief was on the way. on the way its friday. all of the promised relief should have been here a week ago. people are dying. i also liked dont buy gas if you dont have to. from a day or two ago. what a pearl of wisdom that was! imo there are two sides ... not right and left ... rather right and wrong. bush and his federal response which he is responsible for including the national guard keyword national were wrong in the timing of their response. as i said previously if you had family or friends there youd drop your prideful right view and see the facts. bush let us down ... again. any overly right person that disagrees with the facts can naw on my overly large left nut. you may be on the left on issues but you are right this time. im not sure about the again part but bush let the country down this time. and this time transcends political affiliations this fiasco is an affront to every citizen and a death sentence to many. as us citizens we all should be very pissed. this was not an earthquake a tornado a volcanic eruption or a sneak attack we had a warning and time to act and we didnt do squat. americans should get the royal treatment and immediate response when a disaster occurs. the people of louisiana mississippi and alabama are part of what makes this country great. anyone that disagrees is damn fool. they deserve better than theyve gotten. craig c. we all deserve better than we have gotten but the two party system doesnt give us much choice in the matter. and to make matters worse the middle of the road citizens are too busy to care very much. so the far left and the far right carry on the fight and refuse to even compromise much less try to reach a consensus. the loons on both sides are allowed to set the agenda if you can call it that. clinton getting head in the oval office and bush jerking off in crawford. bush and the country sure got the shitty end of the stick on that deal as im sure history will show. regards lee t. .

From : max dodge

craig@metronet.com wrote bzzzz ... sorry max. monday evening louisiana mississippi and alabama called for help. even if they hadnt we should have been better prepared at the federal level. not one single person at fema doubted that this was going to be a national disasater 24 hours before it happened. it does not take 24 hours to assess the situation. less than 4 hours. i agree on 24 hours for gathering of supplies. now were at approximately 30 hours. 24 hours for deployment are they having a deployment party too much of the equipment and supplies came from right here in good ole texas. doesnt take 24 hours to get to no even when its under water. i say 12 hours. thats 42 hours ... lets round up to 48. at the latest ... thursday morning. thats if you do everything by road. it amazes me that anyone can defend the response time. if clinton were still in office and he had dragged his ass like this youd be on fire. craig c. craig c. yep easy to blame bush. especially easy for the no mayor to give the tv vampires nice curse-laden sound bites. but the truth is at this url http//junkyardblog.net/archives/week20050828.html#004749 incompetence begins at home. .

From : Annonymous

lol most of this should have happened before monday. as you said in the fuel price thread nowa had a pretty good idea where and how strong it was going to be when is made land fall. the fact that they had the evacuation showed that they knew what was possible so they could have made many accurate assumptions as to what was going to be needed prior to the storm hitting. the real time line should have been no i said noaa had a clue. i dont know who nowa is. as to accurate predictions your flawed assumption fails to take into account their flawed assumptions about their levees and the biggest variable number of people trapped in a disaster that was believed to have been avoided. day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. based on what storm size day 2 sunday - logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel based on above. gathered where in the city day 3 monday - reassess situation and needs. begin initial deployment during the storm day 4 tuesday - full deployment to region with what is needed or available based on prior assessment while gathering any additional supplies and personnel that may also be needed. begin initial operations. day 5 wednesday - operation fully commences! wow five days instead of the three i claimed. brilliantly proving that three days is g

From : tom lawrence

lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! i think no followed their disaster plan which was probably a one-page document and had little to no disaster resistant infrastructure. -- fmb only one b in fmb cindy slither home .

From : Annonymous

absolutely. we have sent aid to other countries faster than this. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! .

From : tbone

the entire city is not under water. western amd northwestern no are dry. so yes planes could drop supplies there. large boats cannot navigate through the city but they can supply the coastline to the west of no and take in supplies on smaller boats. not perfect but better than nothing which is what they got. and ... are you telling me that a handful of helicopters is the best we can do i read that less than 50 helicopters were involved. i tried to find some research i did in college on earthquakes to no avail. however in cali i cant think of a single major earthquake that went more than 2 days without an outpooring of aid from various state and federal agencies. you might make the argument that the areas were not under water but the challenges were just as great. roads and bridges out structures collapsing no electricity ... craig c. .

From : tbone

on fri 02 sep 2005 074837 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote roy wrote i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. ive heard reports of 20000 to 40000 being deployed by this weekend. its a logistics nightmare to get it all organized. they have been given arrest powers and marshal law has been established in some areas. too bad more people didnt heed the warnings to evacuate. while some couldnt for a variety of reasons i dont think 200000 people have such reasons other than stupidity. the army and national guard should have enforced the evacuation - those who had no way out taken out by military transport. anyone remaining behind charged with criminal trespass at the very least - looters shot on sight. .

From : tom lawrence

sadly even though david gunn speaks factually and without reserve the feds still arent doing much to fix amtrak. consider that if the ne corridor had trains and track capable of the suggested speeds that the acela can reach the tracks are there. if you spec the trains correctly you could max out the acela. once again amtrak needs people that know how to run a railroad the reason max speed cant be reached is due to the size of the cars. they are supposed to tilt as they pass through curves at high speed in tilt mode they foul the adjacent track. so speed is reduced. roy .

From : royfmb

the federal government can call on the ng troops for assistance in times of crises. i think this qualifies. even if they couldnt louisiana mississippi and alabama were calling for aid on monday evening!!!!! 5 days later ... lets start by noting that there are several different chains of command in the ng. while the feds can call them up it has to be through the charge of the state in which they are stationed. https//www.jagcnet.army.mil/jagcnetinternet/homepages/ac/clamo-public.nsf/0/1af4860452f962c085256a490049856f/$file/chapter%2026%20-%20reserve%20component.htm this link is to a site where the chain of command is described. national guard soldiers serving in their home state in such roles as disaster relief or control of civil disturbances typically serve in their state status. by regulation and policy national guard soldiers serving outside the united states must serve in their federal status. as such they are under command of the governor this according to the jag. really we should go back and examine who it was that killed funding over and over and over to louisiana when they requested federal funding for improving their levees. hrm ... something tells me the bush supporters are going to blame it one someone else ... hmm msnbc had a gentleman on tonight head of the army corps of engineers when pressed to place blame put it firmly in the finacial offices of thefederal government who turned down his repeated requests for money to complete the project. try this link for an interview with a gentleman who places the blame on no and state government. http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9177135/ tunnel vision ... its a great thing eh seems so its keeping you from seeing anything you dont want to see. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the federal government can call on the ng troops for assistance in times of crises. i think this qualifies. even if they couldnt louisiana mississippi and alabama were calling for aid on monday evening!!!!! 5 days later ... its unfortunate that all of our troops including ng are in iraq helping those idiots establish a government when we need them here. but ... for the sake of brevity i wont go into how moronic it is that we are fighting a useless war. really we should go back and examine who it was that killed funding over and over and over to louisiana when they requested federal funding for improving their levees. hrm ... something tells me the bush supporters are going to blame it one someone else ... tunnel vision ... its a great thing eh craig c. .

From : beekeep

in the world of extreme right and extreme left the facts get ignored roy. yes you are correct. fema reports to and is headed by michael brown ... a bush appointed under-secretary. they took control of the situation and can request aid from any state local or federal government. they are also involved in inspecting dams and levees for safety. louisiana has repeatedly requested federal funding for shoring up their levees. they have been turned down year after year. how bout them tax cuts craig c. .

From : hp

yeah dc gave one million direct and $500k from their employee fund and will match dealer contributions dollar for dollar. our store is matching employee contributions dollar for dollar so that means with dc kicking in each dealer employee dollar equals four dollars for relief. we have contacted the other dc dealers in our zone and many are interested in joining us. we have contacted the red cross about a blood drive at our place too but they havent gotten back to us yet. thats what i meant in my previous post we all need to do something instead of just bitch about bush. mike its amazing what can happen when everybody is on the same side.. denny .

From : bdk

you crack me up. always there with the facts. meaning what http//www.mercury.com/mld/mercury//politics/12528269.htm although bush plans to make his own tour of the storm-ravaged region later this week the president made an airborne inspection wednesday as air force one flew from texas to washington. the presidential aircraft dipped from its cruising altitude of 29000 feet to a birds eye view at 2500 feet over new orleans and 1700 feet elsewhere. .

From : roy

good question. on fri 02 sep 2005 224537 +0100 jmc nogroupsspam@nojodibody.homeus wrote im not sure that govt subsidies is the way to go though - down that path lies socialism which while not evil isnt the way *i* want our country to go. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own .

From : denny

lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! not having read the other thread yet yes it took too long for help to arrive. but in all fairness did they have to let the water go down before they could get much in the water hasnt dropped that much. helicoptors and the trucks that showed today. also if what i read was correct with idiots taking pot shots at the copters that were trying to take people out id say fuck-em and let them swim. i agree. but do you let 60000 suffer because of 20 no you put some folks in the air and light them the fuck up. but if you dont have the assets then you get what happened. nothing. roy denny .

From : Annonymous

on 2 sep 2005 144530 -0700 craig@metronet.com wrote just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican i have to put labels on people just what part of right wing dickhead wasnt a label im just watching you go nuts and enjoying the show. im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. well apparently you arent a right wing dickhead. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. uhh the governor calls out the ng not the president. i cant believe you are actually defending his leadership in this situation. perhaps if you were there or had family there you would feel differently. but then that would require you and jon to think of someone else other than yourselves. what do you care ... your taxes are lower. in your minds bush can do no wrong correct sure he does stuff wrong. hes allowed too much spending. he let teddy uurrpp kennedy help with the education bill. he didnt select a clearly constitutionalist supreme court nominee. on the other hand he has the left spinning all over the place and for that alone ill cut him a little extra slack. again i say un-fricken-believable. craig c. .

From : denny

why cant amtrack make a profit on their own because it wasnt designed to do so. amtrak is the orphan of the rail bankruptcy of the ne u.s. in the 1970s. amtrak started with junk facilities and a promise to fund rehab work until it could survive on its own. this has never been fully realized because the feds consistantly underfund it. compared to what it began with amtrak is shorter on routemiles barely more modern and headed for complete bankruptcy. meanwhile conrail the freight entity created at the same time was funded consistantly until it was able to turn itself into a profitable corporation owned by the federal government. since the government in theory isnt supposed to own something where the private sector would be in competition conrail was offered to the highest bidder in the 90s iirc. it was eventually split between two railraods csx corp and norfolk southern. amtraks biggest problem imo has been the lack of trackage it can call its own usually sharing route miles with freight rail. in many cases it uses the rail lines owned by freight railroads. thus it is at the mercy of the freight roads in terms of scheduling stations and at times motive power. if this country changes its attitude towards how amtrak is structured and towards energy policies that dont have long term goals maybe amtrak will work. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. suddenly without warning steve scott exclaimed 02-sep-05 1004 pm there just isnt the demand for rail if you have a car. were in upstate ny and have relatives in chantilly va. weve looked at taking a train down. on top of being considerably more expensive than taking our care not to mention the convenience of having our car when we get there the trip was over 24 hours. shoot we drive it in 6. lets see. slower more expensive less convenient. three great reason to hop on. now if you dont have a vehicle thats another story. see thats what i mean! i remember being on the last trip of the last passenger train to go through my hometown on the d&h lines. my brother was a babe in arms so thatd make it - late 60s i guess. 24 hours is pretty excessive. i wouldnt mind if it took a bit longer than 6 hours - say 10 or even 12 - because the hassles still less than driving. as long as the price is right. it costs a bit to go to london on the train - equivalent of about $130 for a saver fare round-trip last i did it ive seen specials for 19 quid - but as the rides less than 3 hours and theres a complete lack of aggravation involved with the 5 hour drive first on the motorway then into the city. get there early and you can even get a seat with a table. and some trains even have wireless internet now! id take the train to ny all the time if we had the same service in the us. heck id take it anywhere which is what we do here. off to york tomorrow. im not sure that govt subsidies is the way to go though - down that path lies socialism which while not evil isnt the way *i* want our country to go. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own jmc .