Gulf Coast

From : roy

Q: jmc wrote well i realize that. i am an american after all. ive even taken the greyhound across most of the country in my youth. i often hear this excuse but im not really buying it especially since i understand that europes public transport system is equally robust but having little experience with public transport there i cant say for sure. im talking about local munincipalities with their own bus system connecting to others. not one all-encompassing monopoly or govt run system. i dont really see any reason why this wouldnt work well at least along most of the east coast if you needed to go west youd still get on a greyhound. why is this not possible in the us seems to me it should be. you have to look at who is doing the traveling any why. transportation on the east coast does make more sense where cities are closer together. but in the usa how many people need to go from one 20k town to another on a daily basis trains are considerably more common and more popular in the east coast. many small towns in the usa do have transportation between them. usually small shuttle buses or large vans that make a few trips a day. they are usually private run. the other major reason why they are few is because more people in the usa have cars to travel the greater distances. as long as you have a car youll use it for shorter trips to small towns as well. in big major cities such as san franscisco many people do not have cars. parking spaces are at a premium for one thing and public transportation is effective there. .

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From : max dodge

max dodge wrote grease on the drill bit. ill have to keep that in mind. im still skeptical about drilling on a torque converter but ill try it when i install my pyrometer. .

From : bdk

sorry for the typo. i meant to say brake but typed break. thanks. - p .

From : max dodge

that is because your dad is from a time when things were built to last unlike the junk that we have to deal with and accept as normal today. once again you prove yourself full of shit. the current a500/518/618/42/44/46/47/48rh/e are all the same design as the a727 and a904 transmissions. pull apart a 727 and the guts from it will interchange with the guts from the three speed section of a 46 with no differences except the tailshaft. the only other differences in going to the 47/48 are numbers of clutch plates so the drums have the snap ring groove cut in a different location. the real difference which you have claimed to be smart enough to know is the heat generated by the od unit. this breaks down the atf which is what causes most of the failures associated with the od transmissions. youve read that here many times and its the only point on which you agree with transsurgeon yet you couldnt dig it up from your morass of knowledge. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. that is because your dad is from a time when things were built to last unlike the junk that we have to deal with and accept as normal today. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving well found out dad was slack and never had the tranny serviced.sounds like i should drop the pan and have it flushed outthen refilled with atf+4. hes 78 years old so ill cut him a break. own a 99 quad ctd 2wd with around 75k and do a fair amount of towing 8k 5er. try to change mine every 15k as suggested by the shop manual for heavy use. have had both atf3 and atf4 put in by dc service techs at different dealerships in different parts of the country. obviously two trains of thought going on here. what is the difference between the two types...is one synthetic . also...thanks for the tips tom. fred jim schultz wrote i bought the truck used from my dad who had it since new.all of the reccomended service mileage points in the manual are filled out so i think he had it done several times.a phone call could confirm that. when you change yours and dont drop the pando you use the flush type systemguess thats the only way yes ive had it flushed by the dealership with atf+4. i have a 2001 ram 5.9l. i also changed the pan to an aftermarket slight deeper one with a drain plug and temp sensor hole. if i tow long distance on a hot day ill quickly drain the pan and at least get 5 quarts or so replaced. easy to do with the drain plug. .

From : bdk

gee max such a solid defense of the superiority of the cummins. how could anyone dispute this lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yup after several years of blown head gaskets they lowered the compression ratio. and ooowheee its got glow plugs its still a v8 where an inline six is better. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. as usual max was wrong!!!! the duramax diesel is still going strong after several years of proven reliability. 2006 duramax 6600 turbodiesel to deliver class-leading torque in a more powerful and refined package engine output for chevy silverado hd and gmc sierra hd increased to 360 horsepower and a class-leading 650 lb-ft of torque new glow-plugs reduce start time by as much as 50 percent pontiac mich. later this year gm powertrain will introduce a new 6.6l duramax 6600 turbodiesel v-8 rpo lbz for the 2006 model year chevy silverado hd and gmc sierra hd with class-leading horsepower 360 268 kw at 3200 rpm and class-leading torque at 650 lb.-ft. 881 nm at 1600 rpm. in addition to the power increase in the silverado and sierra all 2006 duramax engines have been significantly revised to deliver lower emissions and significantly improved quietness and smoothness in every application. the 2006 silverado hd and sierra hd with the allison 6-speed automatic transmission will be equipped with a significantly revised 310 horsepower duramax 6600 lly through the third quarter of 2005. it will be replaced in these applications in the fourth quarter of 2005 by the higher output 360-horsepower duramax lbz. othe introduction of the duramax diesel in 2001 represented a significant evolution in north american diesel pick-up truck market and propelled gmts heavy duty diesel pick-up truck market share to over 25 percentage points said charles freese gm powertrain executive director diesel engineering. othe introduction of the improved 2006 duramax turbo diesel once again sets a new benchmark to which all others will be measured. the duramax 6600ts horsepower and torque increase and emissions reduction are enabled by a strengthened iron cylinder block and a lower compression ratio. the lower compression reduces stress on the engine by reducing the peak cylinder firing pressure. this in turn allows more fuel to be burned more fuel means more power while the lower compression helps reduce nox emissions. lower compression also helps reduce noise and vibration making the all variants of the 6600 a quieter and smoother engine. a revised variable-geometry turbocharger also enhances the driving experience of the duramax 6600. aerodynamic changes to the turbots vanes help tailor controlled application of turbo power for seamless and immediate response at full throttle. the turbo which spins at up to 120000 rpm is high-speed-balanced reducing vibration and resonance and contributing to the enginets overall smoothness and refinement. the revised turbo also helps reduce emissions while maximum boost remains at 20 psi. another new feature of the duramax 6600ts turbo system is the capability of the variable-geometry turbocharger to provide exhaust braking. this function is available on some medium-duty truck models and can replace add-on exhaust brake hardware. with the new system braking is controlled by a signal from the engine controller and can be activated by the driver. the comprehensive list of changes and upgrades to the 2006 duramax 6600 includes * cylinder block casting and machining changes strengthen the bottom of the cylinder bores to support increased horsepower and torque * upgraded main bearing material increases durability * revised piston design helps lower compression ratio to 16.81 from 17.51 * piston pin bore diameter increased for increased strength * connecting rod o i section is thicker for increased strength * cylinder heads revised to accommodate lower compression and reduced cylinder firing pressure * maximum injection pressure increased from 23000 psi to more than 26000 psi * fuel delivered via higher-pressure pump fuel rails distribution lines and all-new seven-hole fuel injectors * fuel injectors spray directly onto glow plugs providing faster better-quality starts and more complete cold-start combustion for reduced emissions * improved glow plugs heat up faster through an independent controller * revised variable-geometry turbocharger is aerodynamically more efficient to help deliver smooth and immediate response and lower emissions * air induction system re-tuned to enhance quietness * egr has larger cooler to bring more exhaust into the system * first application of new 32-bit e35 controller which adjusts and compensates for the fuel flow to bolster efficiency and reduce emissions the duramax 6600 also has a new intake air heate

From : max dodge

on buildings you do realize that planes cannot accurately drop supplies right there are no smart palates. ya mean ya cant strap a garmin hand-held gps onto one and turn it into a jdap joint direct assistance pallet what way is there to get from the coastline facilities if any to the city that would be through the swamps... .

From : Annonymous

agreed. what about planes helicopters and boats craig c. .

From : johnny thunder johnny

it was time about 72 hours ago i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. roy .

From : jph

truck has just had batteries replaced and cable connectors replaced. problem still persists that after glow plug light goes out i engage the starter and the voltage drops to @8 volts and a clicking sound is heard. i can continue to try to start it and it will start after a few times. it started a while back but has gotten progressively worse. pep boys checked the electricals twice and said everything is fine including the starter. what are they missing .

From : miles

no belt on the v8. a chain. not sure when but i am one who usually waits till it jumps teeth. i am bad that way. not sure on the interference part but the older ones were not. has this changed in these newer 318/360s -jerry having to go out of my way as i did i grabbed 2 cans. i believe i paid $5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. welcome to texas however as long as 1 seems to have done the trick the 2nd can will go into the flammables storage cabinet for another day. mine too is a 97 5.2 l cc/slt pickup but only 80500 miles on her. anyone know when we should do the timing belt also is the engine interference or non-interference how much does this miracle marvel snake juice mopar cc cleaner cost i have a 97 with 115000 on it and idles kinda rough. lots of skeeter here two so it could serve 2 purposes -jerry miracle stuff. probably premature to jump for joy but i did the cc cleaner today and after a 4-hr soak ran the piss out of it. no skeeters for miles... ; initially after first start-up and several hard revs while belching clouds of blue smoke we picked up a whole host of new codes; p0300 p0306 p0308 jeeze. by the way the engine really sounds neat with the air cleaner off. whoumpa..whoumpa... racecar! put the air cleaner back on and took it out on the tollway for a 25-mile hard run $4 bux worth of tolls and multiple wot upshifts bseg came back into town on the side streets w/multiple stoplights heavy slow traffic with lots of idling waiting for lights to change etc. no codes! praise the lord and pass the beer. arguably too soon to say for sure but it looks promising. the truck certainly seems to be running better. film at 11. .

From : miles

having to go out of my way as i did i grabbed 2 cans. i believe i paid $5.75 a can + close to a buck in sales tax. welcome to texas however as long as 1 seems to have done the trick the 2nd can will go into the flammables storage cabinet for another day. mine too is a 97 5.2 l cc/slt pickup but only 80500 miles on her. anyone know when we should do the timing belt also is the engine interference or non-interference how much does this miracle marvel snake juice mopar cc cleaner cost i have a 97 with 115000 on it and idles kinda rough. lots of skeeter here two so it could serve 2 purposes -jerry miracle stuff. probably premature to jump for joy but i did the cc cleaner today and after a 4-hr soak ran the piss out of it. no skeeters for miles... ; initially after first start-up and several hard revs while belching clouds of blue smoke we picked up a whole host of new codes; p0300 p0306 p0308 jeeze. by the way the engine really sounds neat with the air cleaner off. whoumpa..whoumpa... racecar! put the air cleaner back on and took it out on the tollway for a 25-mile hard run $4 bux worth of tolls and multiple wot upshifts bseg came back into town on the side streets w/multiple stoplights heavy slow traffic with lots of idling waiting for lights to change etc. no codes! praise the lord and pass the beer. arguably too soon to say for sure but it looks promising. the truck certainly seems to be running better. film at 11. .

From : max dodge

how much does this miracle marvel snake juice mopar cc cleaner cost i have a 97 with 115000 on it and idles kinda rough. lots of skeeter here two so it could serve 2 purposes -jerry miracle stuff. probably premature to jump for joy but i did the cc cleaner today and after a 4-hr soak ran the piss out of it. no skeeters for miles... ; initially after first start-up and several hard revs while belching clouds of blue smoke we picked up a whole host of new codes; p0300 p0306 p0308 jeeze. by the way the engine really sounds neat with the air cleaner off. whoumpa..whoumpa... racecar! put the air cleaner back on and took it out on the tollway for a 25-mile hard run $4 bux worth of tolls and multiple wot upshifts bseg came back into town on the side streets w/multiple stoplights heavy slow traffic with lots of idling waiting for lights to change etc. no codes! praise the lord and pass the beer. arguably too soon to say for sure but it looks promising. the truck certainly seems to be running better. film at 11. .

From : tbone

thats the problem in this group a guy asks a legitimate question and gets seven responses 6 of which are just irrelevant drivel and loud mouth bantering. geez just answer the question or stfu............................. can anyone please give me advice on how to remove the front and rear panels so i can install the new speakers i bought .

From : miles

thanks denny. hmmmm... hot engine holding an idle by hand. prolly oughtta wear some gloves huh thats up to you. i dont but nobody has ever accused me of being very bright either...... cable doesnt get that hot barely even warm. i wouldnt suggest leaning on the manifold though. .

From : denny

after the storm was handled better there would be far fewer victims to begin with. we agree here. but thats not what this discussion is about. its about where best to spend politicians time and taxpayers money now. it most certainly is or at lest was until the paranoid right wing like yourself came jumping in crying that it was somehow an attack against bush and the republicans. i also agree that we need to properly spend the politicians time and taxpayer dollars but the politicians time is not completely taken up by the recovery anymore if it ever was and a lot of taxpayer money would have been saved had this situation been handled better and will also be wasted should this same poor response happen again. as for my interest yet more bs from you. there is no reason why both cannot be done especially since the ones doing the helping would have little to do with the investigation and vise versa. politicians are the ones directing the help. oh bullshit. lets see a list of names and exactly what they are doing along with the time they are spending. you want to pin them down in pointless finger pointing investigations that have only one purpose. why would that happen do you intend to lock them in rooms and not let them out until the investigation is over political points to score for all sides. look at investigations for anything else the past several decades. anything really worthwhile sometimes yes but with this administration not really. now this is not an attack on bush for the current situation but does make me suspicious of how any investigation will turn out. wrong again! my interest is to begin the investigation asap to prevent important details from being lost which is exactly what you want to happen. resources are better used actually helping people rather than bickering about whos fault it was. resources and taxpayer money are better used to prevent the same situation form occurring again. see tbone you just want to play the blame game. no i want to find out what went wrong while the facts are clear and do what is required to prevent it form happening again dont you its now about whos fault anything was. just find what went wrong and fix it without worrying about your precious political rants tossed into the mix. now how are you going to do that without an investigation. even bush says that it just didnt go right and while today he said that the buck stops with him impressive what really went wrong needs to be determined asap so that it can be corrected. perhaps you forgot that hurricane season is not over yet and we could get hit again this year. lol since they can both easily be done at the same time there is no reason not to trouble is they cant and shouldnt be done at the same time. you want to tie up politicians time and resources for your political biased pissing contest. yes it can and if that is what they do instead if continuing to do their jobs and answer the questions quickly and to the best of their ability then they need to be replaced. it seems that the real enabler here is you and people like you. look at your posts here. you keep talking about bush needs to take blame..blah blah blah. no i said that his administration never takes the blame for anything although that changed today and that is not the same thing. ya youre really interested in finding the problem and finding solutions...youre already trying to bash bush. good grief. only in your sad twisted spin. it truly is sad that you are more concerned with your god and his cabinet getting even the remotest form of blame or responsibility for the piss poor response rather than preventing something like this from happening again. there ya go again already pointing fingers at only one area...bush and company. lol i did no such thing. please read it again and comprehend it this time. how am i more concerned about bush and company when theres far more involved on both sides because you are trying to twist everything into an attack against your god and could care less about what actually happened or how to fix it. guess that means im concerned about blanco and niger as well. whats sad is that youre concern is about this investigation rather than pushing hard to help those effected now. my concern is that the exact same thing doesnt happen again. exactly what pushing are you doing to help those affected now poor spin miles. it is you that will cry foul if any blame falls on the current administration and decisions made by them that in part lead up lol one more time you are already attempting to lean any investigation towards bush and company. it is you that is crying foul that blame isnt on bush and the current administration. lol wrong again. bush himself took the blame although i dont think t

From : bryan

nope from nj and now in nc. my vacuum pump came from bendix aerospace in nj many years ago. my dad worked there and picked it up when they moved the division that used them to pa. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone are you in michigan local bendix plant unloaded a bunch of vac. pumps about 5 years ago. this is an industrial vacuum pump and nowhere does it say to change the oil after each use. probably because it was not built for the sole purpose of air conditioning service. actually it used to live at bendix with about 5 of its brothers running 24/7 to test flight control systems. do you know of any retail places here in nc in the raleigh area. i would recommend johnstones although they may require you have an account with them. ok i will check that out. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

wrote all instructions ive seen re usage of the mopar cc cleaner say to pull the air tube off the tb and spray in the entire contents of the can letting the engine load up but not die. okay... what air tube they surely dont mean the big oval air inlet tube to the air cleaner on top of the tb do they do i remove the air cleaner assy and just spray directly into the tb while trying to hold an idle pointers appreciated thanks i take the air cleaner off the throttle body warm the engine up and keep the engine idling by hand while spraying directly into the throttle body. just as you empty the can leave the engine die. dont worry there wont be a mosquito around when you start it back up. g denny this is kinda a silly thing to do. believe it or not your engine efficency is actually higher with deposits in there due to a higher effective cr ratio. you could use better gas and see some mpg and performance increases or try to clean it out and lower effective cr and keep using that 87 octane sewer gas. to each his own but i think ill keep doing it my old silly way. i cant think of a single way that a carboned up engine will run better than a clean one...even with your higher cr theory. denny it wont! mike .

From : snoman

on my driverside wheel where the axle connects to the wheel for my 4-wheel drive the u-joint in that union has rusted up and is very very loose about ready to fall apart. i only have 50580 miles on this truck and most of it is highway. i only use the 4wd when i get stuck in snow or mud and never on dry pavement. anyone else having this problem some how i felt this would happen when i fist changed my oil and saw no grease fitting on any of the joints. thanks in advance. .

From : tbone

on wed 31 aug 2005 212724 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote yep thats right. since roy posted about the gas prices going up prices in this area went from $2.54 on monday to $2.69 on tuesday to $3.10 today. i figure we all should head east if we have the bucks for the gas hunt down ole roy and stick his head in one of his beagle holes. vbfg denny why kill the messenger wabbit cause its fun besides my foot isnt big enough it might get sucked in.. *eg* roflmfao denny .

From : tbone

on tue 30 aug 2005 142603 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote diesel jumped 20 cents to 2.79 from sunday night to monday morning. unfuckingbelievable! roy unleaded on the left coast is at $3.00 plus.... we just got back from a trip to washington & back.. 2000 mile round trip... it was less expensive to rent a car for 4 days and leave the ram home... pretty impressive rental for $25 a day... new pontiac grand am with a v-6 got 30+ mpg at posted speeds or higher.. mostly higher we ended up saving about $100 after the cost of the rental and putting 2000 miles on someone elses car.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : miles

i replaced my original shocks last year on my 97 1500 4x4 with some cheapo pro-comp es9000s. my front end started to bounce like crazy when i hit a bump at speeds over about 40mph to the point id have to stop the truck to get it back under control. i replaced the trackbar with the moog replacement i thought that might help but it didnt. i then went on ahead and had a front end alignment done and no improvement. i spent some more money and replaced the cheapos with the monroe sensatrac shocks. i figured that would probably correct it. nope. this is a stock truck no lift kit and and stock-sized tires. it seems like the front drivers side tire is bouncing like a basketball when it happens. ive double-checked air pressure in the tires and they seem ok. the tires are a couple of years old with maybe 20k on them goodyear something or other. any ideas on what to try .

From : tbone

on sun 11 sep 2005 234915 gmt ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote wddodge@woh.rr.com writes i take the air cleaner off the throttle body warm the engine up and keep the engine idling by hand while spraying directly into the throttle body. just as you empty the can leave the engine die. dont worry there wont be a mosquito around when you start it back up. g thanks denny. hmmmm... hot engine holding an idle by hand. prolly oughtta wear some gloves huh yeah 10-4 good buddy in re to the skeeters ;- last time i fogged for skeeters with one of those butane torch foggers the neighbor across the back fence called the fire dept. i can understand why he might it was pretty thick. ill prolly give him a call to give him a heads-up this time. i was planning to do it this weekend but never made it by the dealership to get the stuff so been reading up on the process. i see some people using plain old water but aside from smoking up the place i dont see how that could have any value or soak in to break up the carbon. one other thing since doing this myself is there any specific brand of plugs i need to get and what should i gap em at 97 ram 5.2l tools i have mechanical knowledge i dont have. sorta like a steeplejack buying his first shovel. autolite 3924 work well for me. cheap too! you can buy them at wally world. beekeep .

From : miles

we are out of them in houston think the illegals came in and took em all. mikesim@yhti.net writes yeah those $100 fillups aint fun are they wouldnt you know it im leaving next week for a 2000+ mile trip towing my rv... guess i be on a first name basis with messrs mobil shell bp citgo et al.... hope they dont want a co-signer ;^! well accept your shiny new fema debit card here in texas ;- .

From : tbone

snoman wrote the idea is find out what if anything went wrong make people not holding up to their responsibility all of them accountable for their actions and make changes to prevent what went wrong from happening again. that wont happen. see politics get in the middle. its all about scoring points for the next election. name an investigation that ever was truly unbiased and not for political reasons...not many of them. what do you expect they probaly voted for him too. if bush is a true master of anything it is of dodging the blame. lol a disaster happens and your type can only think about how to blame bush. thats whats truely important to you right now. also take notice how rebuild contract are already going out to bush buddies and chennies old company. chenny will be a billionair when he gets out of office at tax payer expense. lol ya we should put it up for bid and delay the help even further. .

From : snoman

but if you actually read most of these links you will see that this panel will be more partisan than desired and have limited ability which will probably make it completely ineffective pretty much like every investigation that has occured under this administration. im not sure how you got confused between an investigation lead by presidential appointees and the seeming dozens lead by congress but you have. further you claim a bias but weve got such notables as h. clinton not to be confused with g. clinton and the parliament funkadelic joe lieberman leading the way on their side of the aisle. dozens lol. just about all of your links point to the same investigation that has not started yet that is if it ever will. as for the partisanship the very links that you posted are the ones talking about it. lol yeah facts that seem to be littered all over the fuckin net. until it actually happens it is not fact just speculation. by saying this you claim to not believe all the stories that you so recently denied existed. what exactly did i say didnt exist very good you have turned 90 degrees its only a matter of time before you complete the remaining 270 and go into full spin. yawn -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone wrote i guess that the truth hurts doesnt it. even now they are saying that we will look toward the situation rather than point fingers which translates into since we cant completely blame anyone else for the piss poor response in this situation lets not investigate it at all. of course some of them do not want fingers pointed because they do not want the fingers pointed at them. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gulf-coast-ftopict136535.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=667359 .

From : diamond dave

mikesim@yhti.net writes yeah those $100 fillups aint fun are they wouldnt you know it im leaving next week for a 2000+ mile trip towing my rv... guess i be on a first name basis with messrs mobil shell bp citgo et al.... hope they dont want a co-signer ;^! well accept your shiny new fema debit card here in texas ;- .

From : tbone

using plain old water but aside from smoking up the place i dont see how that could have any value or soak in to break up the carbon. ever used a steam cleaner same concept. stick with the cc cleaner though... .

From : thenewguy

use the oem champion plugs... 1 champions in mopars 2 ac-delcos in gms 3 motocraft in fords 4 bosch splitfire etc in the dumpster .

From : max dodge

snoman wrote our current leaders are not worried about fixing anything other than fixing the blame on someone else for their own incompetance. yep democrats are trying to fix the blame on someone else for their own incompetance. no and la are afterall heavily democrat run. .

From : miles

wddodge@woh.rr.com writes i take the air cleaner off the throttle body warm the engine up and keep the engine idling by hand while spraying directly into the throttle body. just as you empty the can leave the engine die. dont worry there wont be a mosquito around when you start it back up. g thanks denny. hmmmm... hot engine holding an idle by hand. prolly oughtta wear some gloves huh yeah 10-4 good buddy in re to the skeeters ;- last time i fogged for skeeters with one of those butane torch foggers the neighbor across the back fence called the fire dept. i can understand why he might it was pretty thick. ill prolly give him a call to give him a heads-up this time. i was planning to do it this weekend but never made it by the dealership to get the stuff so been reading up on the process. i see some people using plain old water but aside from smoking up the place i dont see how that could have any value or soak in to break up the carbon. one other thing since doing this myself is there any specific brand of plugs i need to get and what should i gap em at 97 ram 5.2l tools i have mechanical knowledge i dont have. sorta like a steeplejack buying his first shovel. use the oem champion plugs... i ferget the # but its on a sticker under your hood. dont waste your money on any double triple quadruple splifire or platinum jobs... just use the good ol champions like god intended.... ^ mike .

From : tbone

wddodge@woh.rr.com writes i take the air cleaner off the throttle body warm the engine up and keep the engine idling by hand while spraying directly into the throttle body. just as you empty the can leave the engine die. dont worry there wont be a mosquito around when you start it back up. g thanks denny. hmmmm... hot engine holding an idle by hand. prolly oughtta wear some gloves huh yeah 10-4 good buddy in re to the skeeters ;- last time i fogged for skeeters with one of those butane torch foggers the neighbor across the back fence called the fire dept. i can understand why he might it was pretty thick. ill prolly give him a call to give him a heads-up this time. i was planning to do it this weekend but never made it by the dealership to get the stuff so been reading up on the process. i see some people using plain old water but aside from smoking up the place i dont see how that could have any value or soak in to break up the carbon. one other thing since doing this myself is there any specific brand of plugs i need to get and what should i gap em at 97 ram 5.2l tools i have mechanical knowledge i dont have. sorta like a steeplejack buying his first shovel. .

From : tbone

all instructions ive seen re usage of the mopar cc cleaner say to pull the air tube off the tb and spray in the entire contents of the can letting the engine load up but not die. okay... what air tube they surely dont mean the big oval air inlet tube to the air cleaner on top of the tb do they do i remove the air cleaner assy and just spray directly into the tb while trying to hold an idle pointers appreciated thanks i take the air cleaner off the throttle body warm the engine up and keep the engine idling by hand while spraying directly into the throttle body. just as you empty the can leave the engine die. dont worry there wont be a mosquito around when you start it back up. g denny .

From : thenewguy

on sat 10 sep 2005 154830 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote lol it is not being honest it is you being an asshole. you could be right he should listen to you here. being an asshole is something that you really do have experience at. guy ya owe me a friggin keyboard!! roy .

From : max dodge

on sun 11 sep 2005 221305 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote if you ignore the fact that every agency involved mandates reviews into how the job could have been done better. and this translates into a congressional investigation how it doesnt and i never said it was. but the fact is that every emergency response agency be it the local fire dept. or the state police or the national guard etc. all do at least a debriefing to determine where they can improve. all of this is a matte of public record if done properly. and will all be shuffled away never to be seen again as usually happens. probably. but only because by the time it is all completed and made public the short term memory of the public no longer gives a crap and it never gets reported. it really comes down to us. if we actually continued to care and be interested the media would continue to report it and the pressure would be there to do somethiing. apathy is gonna screw up this great country. this thread is a great example of that. seems like all we care about is whether the demos will take the blame or whether the republicans will take the blame. look at you tom. your predominant interest is to shit on bush. others have been to protect him. the focus here needs to be on what happened with our relief effort. geez with the office of homeland security in place you would have thought that we would have been ready for this. politics is irrelevant. we need to find out who screwed the pooch and get it straightened out. i dont care if it was local folks state folks federal folks democrats republicans liberals or conservatives. i only care that someone i think i feel like bush is the guy who needs to do this gets it straightened out and the people that messed up get their feet held to the fire. we are the greatest country in the world and we need to start acting like it. quit playing politics and start being good at what we do. bush does hold some blame in this but he has an opportunity to fix it and i will support him if he does. the head of fema.........that was nothing more than a political appointment and we need to stop doing that. no way should that guy have been at fema. im just telling you folks if we keep playing the kind of games that we have been for the last 15 years or so in government we are in a whole lot of trouble. it isnt about republicans or demos. america needs to start being good at what we do again. pretty simple really. also greatr if you ignore the fact that a number of different promises of investigation have been made by individuals on all sides of the issue. lol and which ones are actually going to be listened to. please give a list of who and what they are investigating. obviously they are investigating the entire set of events or does that fact elude you http//www.wkbn.com/global/story.asps=3819562&nav=81al2qer http//www.8austin.com/content/topstories/default.asparid=145153 http//www.woodtv.com/global/story.asps=3821624 http//www.npr.org/templates/story/story.phpstoryid=4835851&ft=1&f=3 http//www.allheadline.com/articles/7000067288 http//lieberman.senate.gov/room/release.cfmid=245277 http//.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050902/plnm/weatherkatrinasenatedc need more all of those are congressional leaders looking to delve into the events leading to the disaster. take note both parties are represented. but if you actually read most of these links you will see that this panel will be more partisan than desired and have limited ability which will probably make it completely ineffective pretty much like every investigation that has occured under this administration. this is a prime example of how you ignore facts. no this is a prime example of where you try and turn complete bs and typical smoke and mirrors into facts. lol yeah facts that seem to be littered all over the fuckin net. until it actually happens it is not fact just speculation. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i guess that the truth hurts doesnt it. even now they are saying that we will look toward the situation rather than point fingers which translates into since we cant completely blame anyone else for the piss poor response in this situation lets not investigate it at all. what would an investigation really do besides be a political pissing contest the idea is find out what if anything went wrong make people not holding up to their responsibility all of them accountable for their actions and make changes to prevent what went wrong from happening again. thats all these investigations ever amount to. especially with this administration. i have yet to see it take the blame and be accountable for anything but the sad thing is that we allow this to happen. the motivation is never to solve a problem only score political points. and this is because we continue to allow it to happen. time and money is better spent solving the current situation. lol the typical answer given when people dont want to take responsibility for their actions. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : snoman

all instructions ive seen re usage of the mopar cc cleaner say to pull the air tube off the tb and spray in the entire contents of the can letting the engine load up but not die. okay... what air tube they surely dont mean the big oval air inlet tube to the air cleaner on top of the tb do they do i remove the air cleaner assy and just spray directly into the tb while trying to hold an idle pointers appreciated thanks! .

From : miles

that is exactly what i said -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote i guess that the truth hurts doesnt it. even now they are saying that we will look toward the situation rather than point fingers which translates into since we cant completely blame anyone else for the piss poor response in this situation lets not investigate it at all. of course some of them do not want fingers pointed because they do not want the fingers pointed at them. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gulf-coast-ftopict136535.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=667359 .

From : rod betty jo

5.1l auto trans 2 wheel drive/od when i put it in any gear it is making loud squeeling noise but only when trans is ingaged. does anyone know what this may be. trans is 4 years old with 25000miles on it .

From : snoman

our current leaders are not worried about fixing anything other than fixing the blame on someone else for their own incompetance do you drink and type how else can one explain such a incoherent ignorant statement. you hadnt noticed that there is a huge relief effort for the largest natural disaster that has ever hit our country rod .

From : tbone

i just picked up my five month old 2005 dodge ram diesel from the body shop. the truck had a four inch long vertical dent about as wide and deep as a finger that crossed the contour line of the left rear fender where our travel trailer jacknifed against it as i was attempting to turn around at walking speed in a cul-de-sac. when i took the truck in to be repaired i asked the body shop owner if he could repair the dent or if he would need to replace the box. oh nooooo... he said we dont need to replace the box... we can fix the dent. after the initial repair of the dent i noticed several areas of ripples in the finish of the fender repair. i returned to the body shop and told them to fix it. after the second attempt to repair the fender the ripples were fixed but coarse sanding marks dust particles and pin-point defects were present in the finish. the sanding marks were so coarse it looked like somebody had applied the paint with a bristle brush. so i took the truck back a third time. after picking the truck up ok no ripples..... no sanding marks but the styling crease formed into the fender at the factory - has a noticeably softer edge for approximately 8 inches horizontally over the area of repair. i can also feel a dip in the surface of the fender roll at this spot. i went back to the shop raised hell and they refunded my money $500. but now i have to find another body shop to fix this right. can you folks suggest any tips for finding a reputable body shop thanks... jim .

From : max dodge

maybe its starting in 2nd or 3rd common problem with the electronic governor used on these maybe the guys that did your breaks adjusted them up to tight causing drag and trans slippage. xjackyl wrote i have transmission problems.when i take off my truck reves up really high and it goes real slow.i changed the filter and fluid in trans.it drove like a new truck for about 10 miles then it started to do the same thing all over again.please help me. it is a 1999 dodge ram 1500 318 v8 with 90000 miles sounds like the tranny clutch are worn out or there is some bad seals but you are not going to fix it without some tearing into it some of completely. if this ia a 4x4 with oversized tires and stock gears you did good to get the mileage you did out of it. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-transmission-problems-ftopict136732.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=663023 .

From : tbone

lol it is not being honest it is you being an asshole. why couldnt you just answer the question like the other poster did. is it that you dont know or is it more along the lines of you whining because you feel that business is being taken away from you -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving honesty hurts grow up gee this was a real helpful answer asshole! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving the rears are not worth changing their size and location are the problem. the are ok for rear fill the fronts are easy but it appears you are not smart enough to figure it out on your own so maybe its time to buy speakers at the stereo store and have them install them. can anyone please give me advice on how to remove the front and rear panels so i can install the new speakers i bought .

From : rod betty jo

let me get this one straight a flash that retards spark to elimnate ping but needs at least 89 octane too you need to get your facts striaght. if there is such a flash it is to run 87 octane and not ping and it would reduce power and mpg more. just leave ecm flash stock and use 89 or better in warmer months and be done with this. i agree back in the day they tried to convince you 87 was fine. .

From : langerhans

miles wrote the federal gov. is not setup like a corporation with a ceo/owner at the top and everyone else follows his orders. not that simple. it can be if the right guy is setting the pace. what is the purpose of a president if he cannot set the standards for others to follow. the problem with current admin is that they are never responsible for anything that goes wrong and are great at passing the buck. i worked for fed in military and as a civilian for many years and i can tell you that with the right person in the seat it can go well but with a political appointee with no real experiance in the seat it can go badly quickly because i have seen it first hand many times. i my realm of command will serving the buck stopped with me if there was a problem i did not spend time passing the blame whether i was me or by someone under me instead i looked for solutions. our current leaders are not worried about fixing anything other than fixing the blame on someone else for their own incompetance -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-gulf-coast-ftopict136535.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=666596 .

From : slick willy

slick willy wrote http//www.nytimes.com/2005/09/09/national/nationalspecial/09military.h tml puhleeze ... you arent going to try and convince me that the n.y. times in now printing the truth are you g heres a hint it thier version of the truth or at least the leberal version of the truth. no grins i would never blindly believe that *any* media outlet was capable of reporting in an unbiased manner. however if you had read the article it showed the bush administration in a fairly good light in regard to the katrina response. im sure that is *not* a normal thing for the nyt to do. .

From : langerhans

there is a few push clips on the door panels. just pull out on the bottom. changing the speakers wont do much if you have an infinity system. the radio is only preamped. speakers have the amp right on them. can anyone please give me advice on how to remove the front and rear panels so i can install the new speakers i bought .

From : miles

test .

From : jerry

i have a 96 grand caravan and ive been having troubles with the transmission since i got it. in the mornings when the engine is cold the reverse does not work. the same with the first gear but after warming up it starts working. now the 3rd. gear is not working. i guess i need to replace it but i wonder if i can use a 3.3 transmission mine is a 3.8 96 thanks for your help... -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-problem-96-grand-caravan-transmission-ftopict137516.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=666440 .

From : Annonymous

mike simmons wrote the mopar cc cleaner will not hurt a healthy engine and is not traumatic in any way but if you are not experiencing any probs why go to the expense some of the better fuel injector cleaners have the same chemicals in them that is in the mopar cc cleaner. the best fi cleaners imho are 1. mopar fi cleaner 2. chevron techron 3. valvoline syntech. in fact these are the only ones i would recommend. they are slightly more expensive that some other brands but they are better. i think tom l. will agree with this... lets see. thanks mike. i currently pour in some of the techron every oil change so it seems that should be more than sufficient. what a great truck! of course it now costs me $100+ to fill up so maybe some solar panels and some wind generators all over the cap and hood to run a washing machine motor hooked up to the drive shaft could help me out. home brew hybrid and serious public fire hazard! smh yeah those $100 fillups aint fun are they wouldnt you know it im leaving next week for a 2000+ mile trip towing my rv... guess i be on a first name basis with messrs mobil shell bp citgo et al.... hope they dont want a co-signer ;^! mike .

From : transurgeon

max dodge wrote what source got a link this was reported on the britt hume hour just tonight........ democrats and some former government engineers blamed president bush for cutting the budget for the army corps of engineers search claiming the cuts left new orleans unprepared for a major storm. but the washington post reports the bush administration has granted the corps more funding than the previous administration over a similar period and that louisiana has received far more money for civil works projects than any other state. the paper says much of the funding has been spent not on flood control but on lawmakers pet construction projects including a brand new $750 million canal lock in new orleans unrelated to flood control. and.................. neither the administration or its critics are saying this but one reason anti-flooding measures failed to stop katrina from inundating new orleans is that some environmental groups successfully resisted new flood control projects. the sierra club and other groups sued the army corps of engineers to stop a 1996 plan to raise and fortify mississippi river levees because the plan would jeopardize louisiana forests. and the new orleans times-picayune has reported that save our wetlands successfully sued the corps of engineers three decades ago to stop construction on floodgates to block storm surges from the gulf of mexico into lake pontchatrain saying they were too damaging to the lakes eco-system. http//www.fox.com/story/0293316884600.html .

From : Annonymous

what could be done before the storm either btw. and you dont see me bitching about what should have been done after the fact either. denny . 222 305635 1666181a2274d5db2d4b184fd642092f9d10764@autoforumz.com hawkss03 wrote 5.1l auto trans 2 wheel drive/od when i put it in any gear it is making loud squeeling noise but only when trans is ingaged. does anyone know what this may be. trans is 4 years old with 25000miles on it if you hold brake and step on the gas a bit does the noise change any -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-89-ramcharger-ftopict137439.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=666181 .

From : Annonymous

99scanner wrote there is no spark retard there is a hundred posts that will warn you of getting a dealer to flash the pcm. this will and has cost about 50% of our horsepower. the engine wont run on less then 89 octane. the flash will retard your spark and you wont have a ping but your cruise will be searching for a gear on the highway because it wont maintain overdrive with so little horsepower. the dealer will not flash it back. anyway that is an easy fix but the real problem is all that heat under the hood. after the 6 years it is really taken a toll. 160thermostat is too cold in the winter is replacing my undersized radiator the real answer let me get this one straight a flash that retards spark to elimnate ping but needs at least 89 octane too you need to get your facts striaght. if there is such a flash it is to run 87 octane and not ping and it would reduce power and mpg more. just leave ecm flash stock and use 89 or better in warmer months and be done with this. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-1999-durango-spark-knock-problem-ftopict136374.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=666017 .

From : bruce porter

once more braniac the federal government could do nothing until the n.o. mayor and la governor requested it i already acknowledged that idiot. now please explain how bush doing nothing in wash dc is better than bush doing nothing in crawford image of leadership. is this really so hard to understand i work from home some of the time but when something goes wrong my presence is required if nothing else to show that the problem is being handled. femas headquarters are in washington along with the guy bush appointed to head it michael brown. nothing like face-to-face ass chewing to get the ball rolling eh regarding your link laffinattheleft.blo ... i wont read that trash because by its very address marks it a right wing cover-my-eyes-to-all-of-the-facts-if-they-put-the-republican/conservative-view-in-a-negative-light .... just like i wouldnt read a laffinattheright ... website for the same reason. imo if youre too far to the right ... youre a nazi. too far to the left and youre a communist. both sides are equally mis-informed and dangerous. so where do you stand brainiac craig c. .

From : max dodge

dont let the facts throw you. amazing how some facts allude folks a bit too far to either extreme. no responses to the link i posted about 20000 trailers of supplies sitting behind federal red tape. if thats doing a great job our expectations are entirely too low regardless of your political stance. http//www.cnn.com/2005/us/09/05/katrina.lott/index.html granted bush isnt the only leader in the federal government ... but the buck does stop at his desk right. isnt he the candidate the ran on the good-ole-boy-term i can get something done in washington he can reach across the aisle to democrats but he cant reach through the phone and bitch slap someone at fema perhaps not ... these are questions i ask myself to which there likely is no clear answer local state and federal government have all failed the people in this disaster. no one person is to blame for all of it that includes bush for those with blinders on. that is fact ron. craig c. .

From : steve w

visit www.allpar.com thats the place to look. scott i have a 2002 dakota and would like to get copies of the service information associated with recalls c35 wiring harness and d47 upper ball joints. the local dealer which i shall not name keeps bugging me to schedule service on these recalls but there is no way i am going to let them work on my truck because i know from past experience that they do poor work. everything i have ever had done there i had to later redo myself. no exceptions. so i would prefer to pay for the parts do it right the first time and skip the bs and possibility of them butchering something else. are there tsbs or similar documents associated with these recalls that explain the work to be done and parts needed if so how can i get copies of them tia. your dealer can get you the recall info however the recall will not be considered completed unless it is done by a d/c dealer. if you dont trust the dealer ask around and find a dealer who is recommended and take it to them. if your dealer wont give you the recall info let me know and i will email it to you. mike .

From : steve w

i agree i used to work for government and i know how fema is supposed to work and its function first hand. bushes admin clearly dropped the ball here and now it is cya becuase they just anounced that they are canceling the congressional investigation that bush said they were going to have into the matter. i guess they want to try to keep the truth hidden. there will be ample investigations...some political witch hunts and maybe even a fact based organizational study.....what ever you think you heard is wrong fema should have been down there like flies to sugar after storm and they should have prepositioned some stuff just out of storms main path so that they could move in quickly afterwards. thats exactly what they did.... tons of supplies and manpower were located just out of the expected path.......one of the obvious post storm communication problems were the all clear announcements tue. morning about how new orleans missed the brunt of the storm and how lucky they were. there was at that time much bragging about how all of the plans between local officials and feds had paid off......it wasnt until tue night/ wed. morning that the new orleans flooding became a issue or even a known problem. since the locals completely underestimated did not communicate and did not prepare for this outcome expecting the feds thousands of miles away to know and be prepared is beyond reason......logistics alone to mobilize thousands and provide appropriate equipment is a 24-72 hour proposition. that is what fema is supposed to be all about and was until bush put it under home land security and cut some of the funding for it. virtually every disaster in the past 2 decades always includes some criticism of fema...too much too little or the wrong something....realistically disasters are well disasters...it would be way more constructive to blame nature for its fury instead of dc bureacrats...... rod .

From : miles

mike simmons wrote been wrong many times! before. give the cc cleaner a shot and report back... just remember soak it as long as you can! is combustion chamber cleaner something i should apply to my truck engine every now and then even if it runs fine my 98 1500 has 135k miles on it right now. has no problems running; starts up fine and i still get about what i got in mpg when it was new. i use throttle body/carb cleaner and fuel system cleaner usually every other 3000 mile oil change but was wondering if the cc cleaner was something that could be done as well to keep things running optimally. or is cc cleaner a rather traumatic treatment to be used rarely when something seems to actually be wrong with the engine smh .

From : transurgeon

im on call 24/7. i have been called off of vacations numerous times. its part of being a professional ... especially if you are supposedly a leader for the people. id hate to be the prez. its a 24/7 job no matter where in the world you are. for once i think we finally found something we both agree on. first term i chalk up to ignorance of what the job requires. second term ... you have to be a glutton for punishment. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

craig@metronet.com wrote actually miles if you go back and read what was originally written what griped my ass most about bush was the image of leadership he was portraying. 2 days after the storm he was still in crawford ... vacationing. 99% of my finger pointing was directed at the federal government and its lack of leadership particularly fema and the ng/ang which i do/did believe could be ordered into service by the president and fema. just how bad the leadership was/is and how far to the top it goes remains to be seen ... although im guessing it goes all the way to the top. i saw the opposite that you did. ive looked at just what bush and others did right before and right after katrina hit. bush in my view did everything he could and acted quickly. you keep using the word vacationing when thats a pretty poor choice of words. tell me do you go home once in awhile or do you stay at your job all day and night id hate to be the prez. its a 24/7 job no matter where in the world you are. .

From : transurgeon

actually miles if you go back and read what was originally written what griped my ass most about bush was the image of leadership he was portraying. 2 days after the storm he was still in crawford ... vacationing. 99% of my finger pointing was directed at the federal government and its lack of leadership particularly fema and the ng/ang which i do/did believe could be ordered into service by the president and fema. just how bad the leadership was/is and how far to the top it goes remains to be seen ... although im guessing it goes all the way to the top. all of that is over. now its time to pick up the pieces. we have a lot of work to do if we are going to get things back in shape for mardi gras. craig c. .

From : miles

craig@metronet.com wrote louisiana has repeatedly requested federal funding for shoring up their levees. they have been turned down year after year. how much state taxes have been allocated to shoring up the levees over the past 30 years how bout them tax cuts federal revenue has increased substantially after the tax cuts. so tell us what your point is .

From : tom lawrence

craig@metronet.com wrote naw ... 72 hours ago our fearless leader was still vacationing. how dare you expect any immediate action. un-frickin-believable. vacationing lol. .

From : miles

if it is at all possible for this to be an injector problem yet only show up at low idle possible but the fact that the engine dies unless you give it a little throttle indicates a bigger problem than just a single cylinder. all else being equal a v8 can drop a cylinder and still maintain an idle albeit a rough one even under a bit of load. at this point an in-depth analysis of the entire fi system is needed a scanner capable of displaying real-time stats from all the various sensors to find out whats out of whack. this is a job for a professional. i understand the reluctance to give the dealer carte-blanche to run up a big diagnostic bill re-doing things youve already done but at this point i dont think you have much of an option. .

From : max dodge

the apperance of giving a damn. so diverting af1 and dropping it 30000 feet closer to the earth wasnt enough of course that was part of his delay in getting back to d.c. never mind that hes made two trips to the affected area since then. or that his security would have been in question prior to then. how about the rants he has directed at the oil companies for being totally unable to cope with the demand placed on them by the u.s. mainly because they keep exporting our resources looked to me like he was pissed but hey i dont know the man he could have been joking around. how perceptive of you. except for the need to have an offical residence and headquarters for our president technology has made one helluva difference since the white house was rebuilt in 1814 or so. yes it has but if you really think that it is 100% as effective as him being there then you really are a fool. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. how do you know that the answer is that you dont and this is where the appearance thing comes in. for all i or you know he could have been out fishing while this stuff was going on. i am not saying that he was but there is that appearance thing again. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. bullshit!!!!! while he is president his home is the white house. he is the leader of the most powerful country in the world and much is expected of him. if he cannot handle it he should resign. funny how you expect more of clinton though. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. he did not need to be at the disaster site and i have no problem with the amount of time he took to get there. but you want him to talk to the people face to face for appearances sake and because its the best way to know what they need according to you. flip frigging flop. he should have been at the white house prior to the storm landfall for appearance sake alone and he didnt do it. and you really have no clue what sort of technology surrounds the highest office in the land. if af1 is good enough to command our forces in a nuclear attack its good enough to command the country during a disaster. to claim otherwise is simply talking out your ass. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. the appearance of what the apperance of giving a damn. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. how perceptive of you. except for the need to have an offical residence and headquarters for our president technology has made one helluva difference since the white house was rebuilt in 1814 or so. yes it has but if you really think that it is 100% as effective as him being there then you really are a fool. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. back at what post you do realize that he has all information brought to him personally. he doesnt just sit and watch special tvs. how do you know that the answer is that you dont and this is where the appearance thing comes in. for all i or you know he could have been out fishing while this stuff was going on. i am not saying that he was but there is that appearance thing again. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. given that you understand his physical location is one of appearances only maybe its time for you to shut the hell up and realize he cannot be everywhere at once. maybe its time you realized that no matter what party he belongs to a president cannot be more than a man who needs a vacation time at home and lots of people and services to bring info to him no matter where he is. bullshit!!!!! while he is president his home is the white house. he is the leader of the most powerful cou

From : miles

you are correct and much of this planning should have occured before the storm. any planning after it should only be dealing with the unexpected. well the way they say the flooding in no was unexpected. obviously that is a major disruption to plans if in fact they were following any. lol completely not true. they were expecting major flooding during the storm and when it didnt happen right away they thought that they got off lucky until the levees failed that it. yea probably because your governor knows now to begin planning and gathering supplies when the storm is expected not after it hits so your local people have what they need to do their jobs. i dont care how much your local people know it they dont have what they need they can do nothing. actually it was a local senator by the name of dan flood no im not joking that had a major part in getting state and fed funding to build a floodwall. our governor has had very little to do with our plans and the one we have now probably would rather talk football than govern. i will say this in rendells favor he has said he will find state funding to erect a floodwall at the next town up if the feds wont fund it. ok fine. either way you are now prepared to some degree for if it happens again and i doubt that the people in charge will wait until after the next major stor in your area to even begin the planning. the uscg was there within hours. with nothing. 20 helos with rescue equipment was nothing for the level of damage and number of people in trouble yea i would say nothing. ng branches were there within a day. and should have been there within hours. you do realize the ng is made up from people who live in the affected area beyond that itll take a day to get other state ng activated. they should have been activated prior to the storm since they knew that it was comming. simple answer plan ahead and be prepared next time. hurricanes are not surprise events like an earthquake or a tornado. but according to another thread you claim the path is unpredictable..... whatever.... yes it is but a storm that powerful is going to cause significant damage to wherever it strikes and we should have been somewhat ready for it and we simply dropped the ball big time. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : snoman

on mon 05 sep 2005 173434 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on mon 05 sep 2005 165330 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on sun 04 sep 2005 163908 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. fuck you mike yeah i sure dont understand why no one around here likes you. yea he can call me an idiot for speaking my opinion but thats ok huh. yeah in this case the truth is a defense. as for the response to the katrina it was terrible. we thought that we had our planning down but this really shows how much work we have to do. why you blame bush for that is beyond me though. the local state and federal response isnt lead by bush but rather by americans who are supposed to have their shit together. i suspect this will be a wake up call and that there will be some changes. look at beekeeps video. is it bushs fault that two cops where in that walmart looting no bush isnt at fault here you idiot. it was other peoples jobs to get this done not bush. now what i expect bush to do is to kick a whole of ass fire some people and get some people in there that can get the job done. what is it with you fucking retards. where did i say that the entire fault or even 1/5 of the fault is your god bushs you will not be able to answer this because i never said it. sure bush is not completely without blame and there are a few things that he should have done or saw to it being done by he people responsible prior to the storms landfall but he is far from the only one at fault. his major screw-up is in presentation as in not getting back to the white house until long after the disaster and his demeanor when he did give his speech about the efforts being done. he really has to lose that dumb looking smirk when he is under stress. kind of like the dumb sounding tone to your posts huh no different than yours nah nah nah. brilliant tom. just brilliant. you had to think for hours to come up with that one. .

From : snoman

on mon 05 sep 2005 171647 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote where did i say otherwise. but the president still should have had his ass back in the white house sunday afternoon knowing the impending disaster and his staying on vacation was a major mistake.. you idiot! think about what you just said! with modern communications exactly what could bush not have done at crawford tx that he could have done at the white house no spin no backpedal.... just give us the answer o genius! fuck you mike. he should have returned to the white house for appearance sake alone. if he could do everything from his texas home there would be no need for the white house at all now would there. he was elected by the people to lead this country and when it is about to be ravaged by this type of storm he should be back at his post. despite modern communications it is not now or ever will be as good as being were he is needed talking face to face with the people that he needs to talk to and giving the apperance to the country that he cares and things will get done not that he will get there when he has the chance after his vactaion. you ignorant ass pkb! bush could do nothing until help was requested by the new orleans mayor the one who let over 300 school busses sit unused and then screamed it be racism that the feds didnt help evac the people; or the governor of louisiana who refused to admit that they were overwhelmed while i agree with you on who should get most of the blame bush could have and should have done more than he did which was well nothing. geez it really has to suck to be you tom. i mean you gotta listen to yourself all the time. we only have to listen to your whinny little posts on this ng. anyway how about coming up with some solutions you got any positive ideas about how to deal with this crisis you got anything positive at all tom do you see anything good in this world i would just like to hear you be positive about something tom. gads what a whinny little bastard. you really get old. .

From : Annonymous

roy wrote lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! yes. bush is a fuckup. bob .

From : max dodge

lol how true. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lets see if we can all agree that the situation sucks and we gotta do better next time. that thinking is too idealistic and looney leftie for this group. craig c. .

From : max dodge

with all the talk about k&n and the claims and disclaimers etc. what upgrades are recommended and why absolutely positively no k&n filtration systems of any kind on your engine. they simply dont filter enough particulate matter. afes pg7 filters have been shown through oil analysis to work well as well as the uni dual-stage foam filters being used in the scotty air systems intakes. whats your purpose for looking to upgrade more top-end power better fuel economy quicker acceleration i see ads in tdr for air tabs for chips for dual exhaust for induction systems etc. there are several different fueling boxes as well as tuners available that work well. fueling boxes are add-on modules that trick the ecm into delivering more fuel or delivering fuel sooner - tuners re-program the ecm directly to alter the fuel and timing curves. on the low-end 40-70hp boxes like the edge ez and the quadzilla xzt are popular add-ons. in the mid-range 80-120hp you have the edge juice the quadzilla xzillaraider and the bullydog powerpup this is a tuner. on the high-end 140-200hp theres the edge hot juice just a software upgrade to the juice the xzillaraider race version the bullydog powerpup w/ their crazy larry program or the tst powermaxcr with either the standard program or the twin-turbo program. with all but the low-end here you dont just slap these things on and go... you need to address other areas such as the intake get more air at less restriction into the turbo to help lower egts the exhaust gotta get all that air and burned fuel out - less restriction is better here as well the turbo stock turbos will run out of their efficiency range and/or choke off the exhaust stream making for high egts the fuel supply a higher capacity pump is needed to keep the fuel pressure to the injection pump in the positive region when adding more fuel and the drivetrain clutch/transmission upgrades are necessary to cope with the added power. entire books can be written on this subject as needs and goals vary widely from person to person. what exactly are you looking to get out of your truck .

From : john smith

lets see if we can all agree that the situation sucks and we gotta do better next time. that thinking is too idealistic and looney leftie for this group. craig c. .

From : tom lawrence

there just isnt the demand for rail if you have a car. were in upstate ny and have relatives in chantilly va. weve looked at taking a train down. on top of being considerably more expensive than taking our care not to mention the convenience of having our car when we get there the trip was over 24 hours. shoot we drive it in 6. lets see. slower more expensive less convenient. three great reason to hop on. now if you dont have a vehicle thats another story. on fri 02 sep 2005 204237 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote why is this not possible in the us seems to me it should be. damn right it should be. why not because president after president democrat and republican alike with congressional blessing urging even has screwed amtrak until it had just enough to survive on. this country at one time had a massive passenger rail system. with the advent of air travel and then the interstates rail travel became obsolete. this rail system was imo the single biggest factor in keeping this country productive and able to out produce its enemies in wwii. said a german pow held in the mid west as he looked out and saw a up big boy 250 tons or so pulling what seemed a never ending train if this country can make that there must be more and if so germany will lose. the northeast corridor boston to d.c. basically paralleling i-95 is the backbone of amtrak in the east. this corridor is literally one disaster away from being inoperable due to cuts in funding. not helping the cause were the acela trainsets which in june turned up with 30% failure rate in the brake rotors. if we funded passenger rail between cities enough to keep the service dependable for two years maximum ran it at rates and times which made it worth the lack of independance given by a personal vehicle we could actually have a rail system worth talking about. whats more since it runs on freight trackage the upgrades for passenger trains would improve the service of hotshot freights such as mail ups fresh produce etc. union pacific has entered a multi year plan to upgrade and build new terminals. this began as a result of having to give up a contract with united parcel service due to more traffic than the major lines in its system could handle. the track was fine but the amount of room for all the freight cars was just not there. if amtrak were in a position to do so they could contract with up to assist in the improvements if given trackage rights. however in the case of amtrak it has always been a struggle between free enterprise and governmental subsidy of passenger rail. its time government took its we know better attitude and used it to improve not only our rail system but our energy policy as well. .

From : max dodge

i cant afford to sleep. because of a good economy at least locally im working 60 hours a week. living alone i have lots to do on many things otherwise. agreed. im 3 months behind on laundry. if i dont dedicate a little time soon ill have to start turning my skivies inside out. i either need a good woman ... or a cheap maid. both are scarce as hens teeth in dallas tx. craig c. .

From : lee

yeah you are sorry thats a fact. gosh max you really know how to hurt a guy. better prepared for what i assume you have the crystal ball that shows what will be needed in the future so tell us all about it. well let me spell it out for you. sunday impact with no was 100% for sure. 175 mph winds. no crystal ball needed. just someone to get their head out of their ass long enough to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. i wont comment on your timeline ... i dont agree. i could have driven to no 6 times with supplies in the time it took you to assess the situation. lol you have no clue. you are pushing a political agenda nothing more nothing less. okay max if that helps you sleep. speaking of sleep im going to go catch a few zs. tomorrow im actually doing something about it. americans deserve the best our government and military can offer in times of crises. republican president or democrat ... i expect the same. i guess you could call that an agenda. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

but that was a f t e r the storm and supplies should have been ready before it hit and were not. the storm was 100 miles wide and affected an area larger than the state of mississippi. where would you put supplies and troops if you were the governor of any of these states keep in mind the ng troops will be affected by the storm so calling them up will take time. getting the troops to their gathering points will take time due to the storm. once gathered they wil lhave to organize and go back 50-100 miles. it takes time. the first ng troops locals were on scene wednesday unarmed though they were because their weapons were moved north to keep them out of harms way. day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. based on what storm size storm size possible landfall locations probability of levee failures due to there age as well as the strength of the storm number of people that have no way out of the area. hell the national guard should have been mobilized friday to begin moving some of these people the hell out of there. ok lets assume all this is factored in. the mayor and the governor are the ones who have to do this. they are the leadership that knows these details. so who are you blaming for it day 2 sunday - logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel based on above. gathered where in the city yea like the astro dome and inland away from the flood prone areas. sure there is a risk of losing some of them but at least there would be something where and when it was needed. ok the astrodome is 350 miles away meaning it would take a day to get them to the astrodome and a day to get back. so youve added at least a day to the mobilization. remember these people are supposed to be local so either you respect that they need to care for their family or you take in the whole family while they are mobilized. either one adds time. day 3 monday - reassess situation and needs. begin initial deployment during the storm the storm was out of there by monday afternoon. yeah it was going through the area where all these ng troops live. day 4 tuesday - full deployment to region with what is needed or available based on prior assessment while gathering any additional supplies and personnel that may also be needed. begin initial operations. day 5 wednesday - operation fully commences! wow five days instead of the three i claimed. brilliantly proving that three days is great response time. you are aware that uscg and military helos were on scene by tuesday right wow a few helos with no supplies at all. what happened to monday night and all fucking day tuesday considering that the helos came from the affected area proper time has to be taken to check for storm damage. by tuesday uscg was pulling people from rooftops. priority is given to lifesaving rescues particularly in the case of the uscg. they were still doing this on thursday thus they were still on priority one. three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. yes it was because many of your steps should have been done before the storm even hit. by tuesday they should have been ready to roll with something. even if its possible the people who make that a reality are the local governments and the governor. like i said a day late with nothing. they should have been there monday night dropping initial supplies that were stored before the storm like water and some food. sorry max but your lame justifications and bs time line simply dont cut it. sorry tbone but your insistance that the uscg is a relief agency fails to take into account their primary mission is to rescue people and thats what they did. right after they checked for storm damage on their equipment. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. lol most of this should have happened before monday. as you said in the fuel price thread nowa had a pretty good idea where and how strong it was going to be when is made land fall. the fact that they had the evacuation showed that they knew what was possible so they could have made many accurate assumptions as to what was going to be needed prior to the storm hitting. the real time line should have been no i said noaa had a clue. i dont know who nowa is. it was a typo get over it. as to accurate predictions your flawed assumption fails to take into account their flawed assumptions about their levees and the biggest variable number of people trapped in a disaster that was believed to have been avoided. but that was a f t e r the storm and supplies should have been ready before it hit and were not. day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. based on what storm size storm size possible landfall locations probability of levee failures due to there age as well as the strength of t

From : max dodge

supposed to tilt as they pass through curves at high speed in tilt mode they foul the adjacent track. so speed is reduced. thats what i mean by having the track to do it. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. sadly even though david gunn speaks factually and without reserve the feds still arent doing much to fix amtrak. consider that if the ne corridor had trains and track capable of the suggested speeds that the acela can reach the tracks are there. if you spec the trains correctly you could max out the acela. once again amtrak needs people that know how to run a railroad the reason max speed cant be reached is due to the size of the cars. they are supposed to tilt as they pass through curves at high speed in tilt mode they foul the adjacent track. so speed is reduced. roy .

From : max dodge

absolutely. we have sent aid to other countries faster than this. name one time it happened faster than this. simple time line day 1 tuesday assessment of situation and needs. day 2 wednesday logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel day 3 thursday deployment to region day 4 friday operation commences three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. absolutely. we have sent aid to other countries faster than this. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! .

From : Annonymous

i have no doubt that you also know the exact amount to torque the bolt that holds the rudder on place. that was a little sarcastic. but you can handle it. ; craig c. .

From : mike simmons

i wasnt being facisous ... sorry - i read sarcasm where there wasnt any. damn text-based medium and i only happened to know that because i was watching the at the time and caught the live shot of the big ol boeing doing its best imitation of an albatross .

From : Annonymous

lol most of this should have happened before monday. as you said in the fuel price thread nowa had a pretty good idea where and how strong it was going to be when is made land fall. the fact that they had the evacuation showed that they knew what was possible so they could have made many accurate assumptions as to what was going to be needed prior to the storm hitting. the real time line should have been no i said noaa had a clue. i dont know who nowa is. it was a typo get over it. as to accurate predictions your flawed assumption fails to take into account their flawed assumptions about their levees and the biggest variable number of people trapped in a disaster that was believed to have been avoided. but that was a f t e r the storm and supplies should have been ready before it hit and were not. day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. based on what storm size storm size possible landfall locations probability of levee failures due to there age as well as the strength of the storm number of people that have no way out of the area. hell the national guard should have been mobilized friday to begin moving some of these people the hell out of there. day 2 sunday - logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel based on above. gathered where in the city yea like the astro dome and inland away from the flood prone areas. sure there is a risk of losing some of them but at least there would be something where and when it was needed. day 3 monday - reassess situation and needs. begin initial deployment during the storm the storm was out of there by monday afternoon. day 4 tuesday - full deployment to region with what is needed or available based on prior assessment while gathering any additional supplies and personnel that may also be needed. begin initial operations. day 5 wednesday - operation fully commences! wow five days instead of the three i claimed. brilliantly proving that three days is great response time. you are aware that uscg and military helos were on scene by tuesday right wow a few helos with no supplies at all. what happened to monday night and all fucking day tuesday three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. yes it was because many of your steps should have been done before the storm even hit. by tuesday they should have been ready to roll with something. you are aware that uscg and military helos were on scene by tuesday right like i said a day late with nothing. they should have been there monday night dropping initial supplies that were stored before the storm like water and some food. sorry max but your lame justifications and bs time line simply dont cut it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

thought you were going to bed explain ngs role in vietnam and in the current war if the federal government has no power over them. i already have. inside the u.s. the ng is under state command. outside the u.s. they are under federal command. i posted a link showing this. i suggest you look at it and figure it out. model american. placing blame where it belongs is better than whining and blaming for a political agenda. you had the facts placed at your disposal and you instead choose to use a name calling defense along with outright ignorance. nuff said. indeed since youve said nothing for hours now. go to bed. do good things despite your opinion of the president. good luck and stay safe. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. fact you dont have proof just repeated claims. explain ngs role in vietnam and in the current war if the federal government has no power over them. ah ... its their fault. you really cleared it up for me. yeah it is their fault. model american. nuff said. craig c. .

From : max dodge

howard.page@comcast.net says... and if it wasnt enough to shoot at helicopters and loot the stores not for foodbut for jewelrygunsdrugsplasma tvslevis... the bastards had to go on a raping rampage.fucking animalsthey deserve to be shot. lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! not having read the other thread yet yes it took too long for help to arrive. but in all fairness did they have to let the water go down before they could get much in the water hasnt dropped that much. helicoptors and the trucks that showed today. also if what i read was correct with idiots taking pot shots at the copters that were trying to take people out id say fuck-em and let them swim. i agree. but do you let 60000 suffer because of 20 no you put some folks in the air and light them the fuck up. but if you dont have the assets then you get what happened. nothing. and if the birds were armed and returned fire could you imagine the crying and whining that would happen its a no-win situation. id have to let them soak a little while longer till they calmed down. in every situation its always a few idiots that ruin it for the many. denny you do realize that the stories about looting etc are way way overblown most people are just trying to survive and just because there is a small group of idiots doesnt mean everyone else stuck down there is going off the deep end too.. bdk small gang http//www.zippyvideos.com/8911023771013466/countdown-looting-in-walmart .

From : max dodge

well let me spell it out for you. sunday impact with no was 100% for sure. 175 mph winds. no crystal ball needed. just someone to get their head out of their ass long enough to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. yup like say no municipal government and the la state government. hell im watching senator lott run down the time line as to how they are actually ahead of the curve in how things went compared to other storms. i wont comment on your timeline ... i dont agree. i could have driven to no 6 times with supplies in the time it took you to assess the situation. yeah with one vehicle loaded by who to what effect on a mass of over 20000 people takes time to put together an co-ordinated effort not just hours. okay max if that helps you sleep. speaking of sleep im going to go catch a few zs. tomorrow im actually doing something about it. good for you. were sending all our local red cross people to help you. and local ambulance crews. and our money. and likely more in the days to follow. see we remember this shit we went through agnes and got flooded out for days ourselves. we didnt have a big city to take care of us and our capital was flooded out as well. we had graveyards popping out coffins mine runoff poisoning our drinking water and no way to get to any safe major city within 100 miles. we learned from it so now when a storm comes through we deal with it. we dont blame the president or the governor. we have local people who know their jobs and they do those jobs. americans deserve the best our government and military can offer in times of crises. republican president or democrat ... i expect the same. i guess you could call that an agenda. they got the best. the uscg was there within hours. ng branches were there within a day. why not tell one of those guys that help wasnt there in time and you have an idea how to make it faster next time. im sure youll have a very interested audience. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. yeah you are sorry thats a fact. gosh max you really know how to hurt a guy. better prepared for what i assume you have the crystal ball that shows what will be needed in the future so tell us all about it. well let me spell it out for you. sunday impact with no was 100% for sure. 175 mph winds. no crystal ball needed. just someone to get their head out of their ass long enough to realize that some serious shit was about to happen. i wont comment on your timeline ... i dont agree. i could have driven to no 6 times with supplies in the time it took you to assess the situation. lol you have no clue. you are pushing a political agenda nothing more nothing less. okay max if that helps you sleep. speaking of sleep im going to go catch a few zs. tomorrow im actually doing something about it. americans deserve the best our government and military can offer in times of crises. republican president or democrat ... i expect the same. i guess you could call that an agenda. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

the entire city is not under water. western amd northwestern no are dry. so yes planes could drop supplies there. on buildings you do realize that planes cannot accurately drop supplies right there are no smart palates. large boats cannot navigate through the city but they can supply the coastline to the west of no and take in supplies on smaller boats. not perfect but better than nothing which is what they got. what way is there to get from the coastline facilities if any to the city logistics of transport from any drop zone is part of the problem that takes time. and ... are you telling me that a handful of helicopters is the best we can do i read that less than 50 helicopters were involved. how many do you want 50 helos means 150 men on crew and up to 500 ground crew. thats 650 crew without talking about landing zones fuel co-ordination for flight operations etc. the uscg only has 211 helos total with 3-5 guesstimate from facts culled from the uscg 8th division websites from each of four air stations in the 8th divisions territory. wow a full 10% of the uscg helos were on duty and flying if possible. wanna bet others came in from outside the 8th divisions area if all those 50 were uscg thats 25% of a national force. that is a one hell of a mobilization. i tried to find some research i did in college on earthquakes to no avail. however in cali i cant think of a single major earthquake that went more than 2 days without an outpooring of aid from various state and federal agencies. you might make the argument that the areas were not under water but the challenges were just as great. roads and bridges out structures collapsing no electricity ... well considering the uscg was flying within a day of the storm passing this disaster response falls within your criteria. given that anyone who has actually been in the area claims its worse than anything theyve seen adding an extra day to your two quoted above isnt out of reason. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. the entire city is not under water. western amd northwestern no are dry. so yes planes could drop supplies there. large boats cannot navigate through the city but they can supply the coastline to the west of no and take in supplies on smaller boats. not perfect but better than nothing which is what they got. and ... are you telling me that a handful of helicopters is the best we can do i read that less than 50 helicopters were involved. i tried to find some research i did in college on earthquakes to no avail. however in cali i cant think of a single major earthquake that went more than 2 days without an outpooring of aid from various state and federal agencies. you might make the argument that the areas were not under water but the challenges were just as great. roads and bridges out structures collapsing no electricity ... craig c. .

From : max dodge

iirc once bush put it in the hands of fema fema calls the shot. assuming this is true it still lets bush off the hook. however having read what the jag says i think fema is only responsible for relief efforts not troop movement for enforcement or crowd control. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. bush and his federal response which he is responsible for including the national guard keyword national were wrong in the the reason you got labelled is because of statements like the above. as many of us have pointed out bush can do nothing on a federal level until asked to do so by the governors of the states. as a recent lawsuit so obviously pointed out the ng is under the command of the governor and cannot be disbanded moved sent ordered called up etc without the governor being involved. iirc once bush put it in the hands of fema fema calls the shot. .

From : max dodge

helos were on scene by tuesday right three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. yes it was because many of your steps should have been done before the storm even hit. by tuesday they should have been ready to roll with something. you are aware that uscg and military helos were on scene by tuesday right -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. name one time it happened faster than this. simple time line day 1 tuesday assessment of situation and needs. day 2 wednesday logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel lol most of this should have happened before monday. as you said in the fuel price thread nowa had a pretty good idea where and how strong it was going to be when is made land fall. the fact that they had the evacuation showed that they knew what was possible so they could have made many accurate assumptions as to what was going to be needed prior to the storm hitting. the real time line should have been day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. day 2 sunday - logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel based on above. day 3 monday - reassess situation and needs. begin initial deployment day 4 tuesday - full deployment to region with what is needed or available based on prior assessment while gathering any additional supplies and personnel that may also be needed. begin initial operations. day 5 wednesday - operation fully commences! day 3 thursday deployment to region day 4 friday operation commences lol you are already 3 days late. three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. yes it was because many of your steps should have been done before the storm even hit. by tuesday they should have been ready to roll with something. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 305314 kuase.3214$ag.1029@trndny01 bzzzz ... sorry max. yeah you are sorry thats a fact. monday evening louisiana mississippi and alabama called for help. even if they hadnt we should have been better prepared at the federal level. not one single person at fema doubted that this was going to be a national disasater 24 hours before it happened. better prepared for what i assume you have the crystal ball that shows what will be needed in the future so tell us all about it. it does not take 24 hours to assess the situation. less than 4 hours. they still dont know numbers of people stranded in no but you expect it to happen in 4 hours. i agree on 24 hours for gathering of supplies. now were at approximately 30 hours. ok i figure at least 36 but lets go with yours..... 24 hours for deployment are they having a deployment party too yeah 24 hours. 8 hours for notice to get rested personnel 8-16 for preparation especially when moving from one region to the other not across the street ya know. were at 52 if we cut my estimate by a third which is unrealistic but ill do it for you. much of the equipment and supplies came from right here in good ole texas. doesnt take 24 hours to get to no even when its under water. i say 12 hours. nope takes about 3-5 travelling at convoy speeds. add in time to assemble convoy and were at 8-10. total 60-62hours. thats 42 hours ... lets round up to 48. at the latest ... thursday morning. thats if you do everything by road. yeah and when the road is blocked or doesnt exist...... lets add on 4 hours for that. total 64-66 hours. my total comes up 6 hours short of 72 hours... three days. and thats assuming all goes perfectly. but even so the uscg and many military helos were already on scene pulling people from rooftops which means they were not dropping food and water. and all you can do is complain. it amazes me that anyone can defend the response time. if clinton were still in office and he had dragged his ass like this youd be on fire. lol you have no clue. you are pushing a political agenda nothing more nothing less. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. bzzzz ... sorry max. monday evening louisiana mississippi and alabama called for help. even if they hadnt we should have been better prepared at the federal level. not one single person at fema doubted that this was going to be a national disasater 24 hours before it happened. it does not take 24 hours to assess the situation. less than 4 hours. i agree on 24 hours for gathering of supplies. now were at approximately 30 hours. 24 hours for deployment are they having a deployment party too much of the equipment and supplies came from right here in good ole texas. doesnt take 24 hours to get to no even when its under water. i say 12 hours. thats 42 hours ... lets round up to 48. at the latest ... thursday

From : Annonymous

name one time it happened faster than this. simple time line day 1 tuesday assessment of situation and needs. day 2 wednesday logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel lol most of this should have happened before monday. as you said in the fuel price thread nowa had a pretty good idea where and how strong it was going to be when is made land fall. the fact that they had the evacuation showed that they knew what was possible so they could have made many accurate assumptions as to what was going to be needed prior to the storm hitting. the real time line should have been day 1 saturday - assessment and assumption of probable needs. day 2 sunday - logistical planning and gathering of supplies and personnel based on above. day 3 monday - reassess situation and needs. begin initial deployment day 4 tuesday - full deployment to region with what is needed or available based on prior assessment while gathering any additional supplies and personnel that may also be needed. begin initial operations. day 5 wednesday - operation fully commences! day 3 thursday deployment to region day 4 friday operation commences lol you are already 3 days late. three days to get on scene and operational. not bad. yes it was because many of your steps should have been done before the storm even hit. by tuesday they should have been ready to roll with something. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

yes the response could have been faster. air drops of food and supplies. medical personnel centrally located and clean up crews to gather the dead. all could be done within 48 hours. if you disagree ... then tell me why. what is so unreasonable about a 48 hour response like i described above there are plenty of volunteers ... just no direction. direction == leadership 48 hours in what vehicles can you put 10000 troops any troops red cross ng whatever with no clear road in no gasoline and no mass quantities of supplies three days is the fastest it can be done and here we are three days into the crisis and all of that and more is rolling in. you cannot simply drop stuff on crowds its heavy and will kill people. follow your own advice ... do something. the no mayor said it best get off your asses! indeed perhaps the ablebodied among the crowds could walk the hell out provide direction and information to the rescuers and maybe even assistance. general rule in a crisis become part of the solution not the problem. as i see the video im curious why some in those crowds looking for relief supplies didnt take initiative and clear a landing zone for a helicopter. id bet good money that most of the reason they refused to land is the safety factor of having an unruly crowd under spinning rotor blades. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. yes the response could have been faster. air drops of food and supplies. medical personnel centrally located and clean up crews to gather the dead. all could be done within 48 hours. if you disagree ... then tell me why. what is so unreasonable about a 48 hour response like i described above there are plenty of volunteers ... just no direction. direction == leadership btw kerry is an idiot too. there now do you feel better have i stroked your feathers the right way now follow your own advice ... do something. the no mayor said it best get off your asses! craig c. .

From : Annonymous

so max are you telling me that there is nothing the federal government can do in the time of a national crises they can draft young men right out of their homes ... but they cant call on state support for ng involvement bingo. you have to understand that the united states are states first and a nation second as odd as it sounds. as such the ng is under the command of the state unless they leave the country. my previous post has a couple of links you should look at. now if you want to argue that the usnavy is a latecomer and should have been ordered into the gulf days ago ill readily agree. but still we are looking at a case where the state has to call for support in order to allow what amounts to landing federal troops on state territory. imo if i were in command of a fleet i would have had ships standing off florida waiting for orders to go in. but id still have to answer for my actions if no call for help came in. basically put our government has always been reactionary not proactionary. in some ways the very laws that keep us independant as states are the exact reason the feds cannot get involved more quickly. it takes three days from the situation assessment to actual deployment on scene. assessment came on tuesday morning its now friday and troops are rolling in. recall it took four days until any large scale relief hit the tsunami area last christmas. the federal goverment can call on ng troops and ang texas air national guard i know for sure troops in the times of crises. if you disagree then you have to explain the tangs federal involvement during the vietnam war. which ironically bush was suposedly part of. easy check the link i had in my last post. ng is under state command while in the u.s. federal command outside the u.s. times of crisis has to be taken in context what crisis and where is the crisis. and ... btw im not bush bashing anymore than i would be kerry bashing if he reacted the same way. whats interesting to me is that there are people that will defend that idiot regardless of the facts. its almost cult-like. well assuming you would bash kerry in like circumstances its clear you do not have a good picture of what potus can and cannot do despite being potus. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. so max are you telling me that there is nothing the federal government can do in the time of a national crises they can draft young men right out of their homes ... but they cant call on state support for ng involvement the federal goverment can call on ng troops and ang texas air national guard i know for sure troops in the times of crises. if you disagree then you have to explain the tangs federal involvement during the vietnam war. which ironically bush was suposedly part of. and ... btw im not bush bashing anymore than i would be kerry bashing if he reacted the same way. whats interesting to me is that there are people that will defend that idiot regardless of the facts. its almost cult-like. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

agreed. what about planes helicopters and boats planes not very useful... where ya gonna drop stuff in the water boats cant navigate through the city with anything bigger than a rowboat due to all the debris in the streets. helicopters they were there since tuesday... the cg was plucking people off of rooftops pretty-much non-stop. if you mean choppers like the blackhawks chinooks super stallions etc.... those came with the military which has already been discussed as to why they werent there earlier. .

From : beekeep

in the world of extreme right and extreme left the facts get ignored roy. yes you are correct. fema reports to and is headed by michael brown ... a bush appointed under-secretary. they took control of the situation and can request aid from any state local or federal government. they are also involved in inspecting dams and levees for safety. louisiana has repeatedly requested federal funding for shoring up their levees. they have been turned down year after year. how bout them tax cuts craig c. .

From : Annonymous

on fri 02 sep 2005 223843 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. roy i can understand the taking of food clothes and other necessities to survive. its not right but understandable. the looters taking the tv sets electronics and other stuff just to be stealing should be shot on sight. aim for center of mass the hell with just wounding them hell then you have to take care of them. now ill catch hell for this but... by the interviews that ive heard the tone of some of the survivors is that they deserved this and it was their right for that. they want the government to replace all that they have lost. were all these welfare trash that were left in the city denny i agree. and its had to want to send them anything when you dont even see them trying to pick up the trash or anything. who wants to help if they dont try to help themselves beekeep .

From : tom lawrence

howard.page@comcast.net says... and if it wasnt enough to shoot at helicopters and loot the stores not for foodbut for jewelrygunsdrugsplasma tvslevis... the bastards had to go on a raping rampage.fucking animalsthey deserve to be shot. lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! not having read the other thread yet yes it took too long for help to arrive. but in all fairness did they have to let the water go down before they could get much in the water hasnt dropped that much. helicoptors and the trucks that showed today. also if what i read was correct with idiots taking pot shots at the copters that were trying to take people out id say fuck-em and let them swim. i agree. but do you let 60000 suffer because of 20 no you put some folks in the air and light them the fuck up. but if you dont have the assets then you get what happened. nothing. and if the birds were armed and returned fire could you imagine the crying and whining that would happen its a no-win situation. id have to let them soak a little while longer till they calmed down. in every situation its always a few idiots that ruin it for the many. denny you do realize that the stories about looting etc are way way overblown most people are just trying to survive and just because there is a small group of idiots doesnt mean everyone else stuck down there is going off the deep end too.. bdk .

From : roy

yes the response could have been faster. air drops of food and supplies. medical personnel centrally located and clean up crews to gather the dead. all could be done within 48 hours. if you disagree .... then tell me why. what is so unreasonable about a 48 hour response like i described above there are plenty of volunteers ... just no direction. direction == leadership btw kerry is an idiot too. there now do you feel better have i stroked your feathers the right way now follow your own advice ... do something. the no mayor said it best get off your asses! craig c. .

From : roy

in response to this post and your other post ... i have done something. i offered the empty rooms in my house to victims of the disaster 2 days ago. im going to pick up a family this weekend in houston. i guess its a good thing i wasnt vacationing eh now then what are you going to do continue bitching at me about bitching about bush he could have done more and you know it. hell i did more than he did the first 2 days after the disaster. if i only had a military on call ... oh and some empty military bases ... craig c. with all due respect you are clueless if you think the response could have been any faster. also you maintained in a previous post that you werent bush bashing but no more than a paragraph later you called him an idiot... sounds like bush bashing to me but then what do i know mike .

From : Annonymous

just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. before you go off the deep end you should consider how the government works in relation to the states. first yes the prez got aid off to indonesia in a hell of a hurry! why then could he not get aid to nawlins that fast simple it is not a federal issue until the states specifically request federal assistance. again!!! once fema is involved dont they call the shots and have final say the prez has control of the us military for foreign operations and thus could order them into action immediately after the tsunami hit indonesia. the prez has zero control over the national guard when it operates in the us. the several states governors are the ngs cinc thus it is incumbent upon the governors to order them into action. in the event of a natural disaster within the borders of the us the federal government has no jurisdiction until help is requested by the affected states. that is why you always hear that such and such governor has requested that the president declare the area a national disaster area. then and only then can the feds rush in to help. thats cute. the govs are cinc after the guy that has no control over the ng sends 1/2 of the cinc force overseas. now you care to tell me why a s hook or any other bird couldnt sling load food and water in guess it had to be trucked in. some guy loaded those water trailers in texas monday today is friday. now having clarified that point which many dont stop to consider i dont think three days is too damned bad to get a huge bureaucracy like the federal gummint moving. have you ever served in the military do you know how long it takes to plan prepare and provision for a major operation probably not. go ahead and bush bash all you want but trust me imho he is doing all he can and rather than carp second-guess and otherwise bitch about a bad situation we should pray for the folks in the affected area and find a way to help however we can. mike i cant believe you are actually defending his leadership in this situation. perhaps if you were there or had family there you would feel differently. but then that would require you and jon to think of someone else other than yourselves. what do you care ... your taxes are lower. in your minds bush can do no wrong correct again i say un-fricken-believable. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

bush and his federal response which he is responsible for including the national guard keyword national were wrong in the the reason you got labelled is because of statements like the above. as many of us have pointed out bush can do nothing on a federal level until asked to do so by the governors of the states. as a recent lawsuit so obviously pointed out the ng is under the command of the governor and cannot be disbanded moved sent ordered called up etc without the governor being involved. iirc once bush put it in the hands of fema fema calls the shot. .

From : Annonymous

in response to this post and your other post ... i have done something. i offered the empty rooms in my house to victims of the disaster 2 days ago. im going to pick up a family this weekend in houston. i guess its a good thing i wasnt vacationing eh now then what are you going to do continue bitching at me about bitching about bush he could have done more and you know it. hell i did more than he did the first 2 days after the disaster. if i only had a military on call ... oh and some empty military bases ... craig c. .

From : max dodge

so max are you telling me that there is nothing the federal government can do in the time of a national crises they can draft young men right out of their homes ... but they cant call on state support for ng involvement the federal goverment can call on ng troops and ang texas air national guard i know for sure troops in the times of crises. if you disagree then you have to explain the tangs federal involvement during the vietnam war. which ironically bush was suposedly part of. and ... btw im not bush bashing anymore than i would be kerry bashing if he reacted the same way. whats interesting to me is that there are people that will defend that idiot regardless of the facts. its almost cult-like. craig c. .

From : denny

the federal government can call on the ng troops for assistance in times of crises. i think this qualifies. even if they couldnt louisiana mississippi and alabama were calling for aid on monday evening!!!!! 5 days later ... its unfortunate that all of our troops including ng are in iraq helping those idiots establish a government when we need them here. but ... for the sake of brevity i wont go into how moronic it is that we are fighting a useless war. really we should go back and examine who it was that killed funding over and over and over to louisiana when they requested federal funding for improving their levees. hrm ... something tells me the bush supporters are going to blame it one someone else ... tunnel vision ... its a great thing eh craig c. .

From : Annonymous

and if it wasnt enough to shoot at helicopters and loot the stores not for foodbut for jewelrygunsdrugsplasma tvslevis... the bastards had to go on a raping rampage.fucking animalsthey deserve to be shot. lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! not having read the other thread yet yes it took too long for help to arrive. but in all fairness did they have to let the water go down before they could get much in the water hasnt dropped that much. helicoptors and the trucks that showed today. also if what i read was correct with idiots taking pot shots at the copters that were trying to take people out id say fuck-em and let them swim. i agree. but do you let 60000 suffer because of 20 no you put some folks in the air and light them the fuck up. but if you dont have the assets then you get what happened. nothing. and if the birds were armed and returned fire could you imagine the crying and whining that would happen its a no-win situation. id have to let them soak a little while longer till they calmed down. in every situation its always a few idiots that ruin it for the many. denny .

From : tom lawrence

meaning in the midst of my own political pissing contest in this thread i glanced at your response and it cracked me up. i had no doubt it was accurate as all of your posts are 100% dead on the money. i wasnt being facisous ... just honest. keep up the good work tom. craig c. .

From : tom lawrence

on 2 sep 2005 144530 -0700 craig@metronet.com wrote just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican i have to put labels on people just what part of right wing dickhead wasnt a label im just watching you go nuts and enjoying the show. im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. well apparently you arent a right wing dickhead. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. uhh the governor calls out the ng not the president. once fema is invoved dont they call the shots roy .

From : max dodge

lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! yes hell yes. bdk .

From : Annonymous

at the risk of being labeled a leftie ... hell yes! craig c. .

From : roy

lets try to keep the politics out of this question. lets make it yes or no!! do you feel the response was late yes or no!! .

From : max dodge

and at 550mph and 25000 feet thats all the closer he wanted to get. wonder what he saw from up there try about 250mph at 2500 feet. but still - not the same as seeing it from the ground... which is impossible. .

From : mike simmons

sadly even though david gunn speaks factually and without reserve the feds still arent doing much to fix amtrak. consider that if the ne corridor had trains and track capable of the suggested speeds that the acela can reach we would have round trip service from boston to d.c. 4-5 times during working hours and up to ten times a day. think about how many cars that would remove from i-95. think about the number of ball games within reasonable time/distance let alone the possible implications for saving commuter traffic and the boon to business. now think about how nicely a line from philly to harrisburg pittsburgh through ohio and on to chicago would work. then drop one from chicago to the gulf.... wait we had this once and it worked wonderfully. hmmm........ -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own because it wasnt designed to do so. amtrak is the orphan of the rail bankruptcy of the ne u.s. in the 1970s. amtrak started with junk facilities and a promise to fund rehab work until it could survive on its own. this has never been fully realized because the feds consistantly underfund it. compared to what it began with amtrak is shorter on routemiles barely more modern and headed for complete bankruptcy. well said. meanwhile conrail the freight entity created at the same time was funded consistantly until it was able to turn itself into a profitable corporation owned by the federal government. since the government in theory isnt supposed to own something where the private sector would be in competition conrail was offered to the highest bidder in the 90s iirc. it was eventually split between two railraods csx corp and norfolk southern. amtraks biggest problem imo has been the lack of trackage it can call its own usually sharing route miles with freight rail. in many cases it uses the rail lines owned by freight railroads. thus it is at the mercy of the freight roads in terms of scheduling stations and at times motive power. very true especially in ct they are stuck behind locals all the time. if this country changes its attitude towards how amtrak is structured and towards energy policies that dont have long term goals maybe amtrak will work. very true but they need some people in there that know how to run a railroad. a politically appointed board of directors that changes with administrations does it no good either. for steve scott this is where i first ran into haley barbour he was appointed to the amtrak bod. didnt know shit about railroad but that didnt stop him from fucking it up. roy -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. suddenly without warning steve scott exclaimed 02-sep-05 1004 pm there just isnt the demand for rail if you have a car. were in upstate ny and have relatives in chantilly va. weve looked at taking a train down. on top of being considerably more expensive than taking our care not to mention the convenience of having our car when we get there the trip was over 24 hours. shoot we drive it in 6. lets see. slower more expensive less convenient. three great reason to hop on. now if you dont have a vehicle thats another story. see thats what i mean! i remember being on the last trip of the last passenger train to go through my hometown on the d&h lines. my brother was a babe in arms so thatd make it - late 60s i guess. 24 hours is pretty excessive. i wouldnt mind if it took a bit longer than 6 hours - say 10 or even 12 - because the hassles still less than driving. as long as the price is right. it costs a bit to go to london on the train - equivalent of about $130 for a saver fare round-trip last i did it ive seen specials for 19 quid - but as the rides less than 3 hours and theres a complete lack of aggravation involved with the 5 hour drive first on the motorway then into the city. get there early and you can even get a seat with a table. and some trains even have wireless internet now! id take the train to ny all the time if we had the same service in the us. heck id take it anywhere which is what we do here. off to york tomorrow. im not sure that govt subsidies is the way to go though - down that path lies socialism which while not evil isnt the way *i* want our country to go. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own jmc .

From : steve scott

on fri 2 sep 2005 175127 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote get up on the wrong side of the bed face it theres nothing bush could do to please you or the other lefties. and those of us on the right are getting a good chuckle watching you all go insane. rfkjr claiming its haley barbours fault katrina hit mississippi and that the uss failure to ratify the kyoto treaty was the cause of katrina. too funny. cmon babour is and has been a political hack for years. do you know his history you agreeing with rfkjr actually i do know of haley barbour...since before his head of the rnc days. that aside do you actually think that the response has been timely lets see. from the feds yes. could it have been better certainly. from the state no. .

From : denny

just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. before you go off the deep end you should consider how the government works in relation to the states. first yes the prez got aid off to indonesia in a hell of a hurry! why then could he not get aid to nawlins that fast simple it is not a federal issue until the states specifically request federal assistance. the prez has control of the us military for foreign operations and thus could order them into action immediately after the tsunami hit indonesia. the prez has zero control over the national guard when it operates in the us. the several states governors are the ngs cinc thus it is incumbent upon the governors to order them into action. in the event of a natural disaster within the borders of the us the federal government has no jurisdiction until help is requested by the affected states. that is why you always hear that such and such governor has requested that the president declare the area a national disaster area. then and only then can the feds rush in to help. now having clarified that point which many dont stop to consider i dont think three days is too damned bad to get a huge bureaucracy like the federal gummint moving. have you ever served in the military do you know how long it takes to plan prepare and provision for a major operation probably not. go ahead and bush bash all you want but trust me imho he is doing all he can and rather than carp second-guess and otherwise bitch about a bad situation we should pray for the folks in the affected area and find a way to help however we can. mike mike did your dealer get the d-mail from dc today that states dc will match any $$$ the dealer contributes to the red cross. it came to ours about 10 am today. i thought that was a helluva gesture from dc denny yeah dc gave one million direct and $500k from their employee fund and will match dealer contributions dollar for dollar. our store is matching employee contributions dollar for dollar so that means with dc kicking in each dealer employee dollar equals four dollars for relief. we have contacted the other dc dealers in our zone and many are interested in joining us. we have contacted the red cross about a blood drive at our place too but they havent gotten back to us yet. thats what i meant in my previous post we all need to do something instead of just bitch about bush. mike .

From : mike simmons

my labeling which was colorful was a hurried response. doesnt make it right ... but god damnit everytime the slightest political discussion gets mentioned here there is always some asshole that swings in with the looney leftie bullshit if it happens to put bush in slightest negative light. have you ever considered that perhaps your overly conservative view might be a bit too far to the right and void of reason no of course not. frankly many of the people in this group are intolerant left and right. its unfortunate however that someone jon and you make judgements without knowing anything about the poster. for example jon called me a looney leftie and you called me a leftie. both of you are wrong although i expect you would never admit it even if the proof were shoved down your throat. thats what happens when you believe in a club/good-ole-boy-network as opposed to an idea. imo there are two sides ... not right and left ... rather right and wrong. bush and his federal response which he is responsible for including the national guard keyword national were wrong in the timing of their response. as i said previously if you had family or friends there youd drop your prideful right view and see the facts. bush let us down ... again. any overly right person that disagrees with the facts can naw on my overly large left nut. americans should get the royal treatment and immediate response when a disaster occurs. the people of louisiana mississippi and alabama are part of what makes this country great. anyone that disagrees is damn fool. they deserve better than theyve gotten. craig c. .

From : steve scott

i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. roy i can understand the taking of food clothes and other necessities to survive. its not right but understandable. the looters taking the tv sets electronics and other stuff just to be stealing should be shot on sight. aim for center of mass the hell with just wounding them hell then you have to take care of them. now ill catch hell for this but... by the interviews that ive heard the tone of some of the survivors is that they deserved this and it was their right for that. they want the government to replace all that they have lost. were all these welfare trash that were left in the city denny .

From : Annonymous

just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. before you go off the deep end you should consider how the government works in relation to the states. first yes the prez got aid off to indonesia in a hell of a hurry! why then could he not get aid to nawlins that fast simple it is not a federal issue until the states specifically request federal assistance. the prez has control of the us military for foreign operations and thus could order them into action immediately after the tsunami hit indonesia. the prez has zero control over the national guard when it operates in the us. the several states governors are the ngs cinc thus it is incumbent upon the governors to order them into action. in the event of a natural disaster within the borders of the us the federal government has no jurisdiction until help is requested by the affected states. that is why you always hear that such and such governor has requested that the president declare the area a national disaster area. then and only then can the feds rush in to help. now having clarified that point which many dont stop to consider i dont think three days is too damned bad to get a huge bureaucracy like the federal gummint moving. have you ever served in the military do you know how long it takes to plan prepare and provision for a major operation probably not. go ahead and bush bash all you want but trust me imho he is doing all he can and rather than carp second-guess and otherwise bitch about a bad situation we should pray for the folks in the affected area and find a way to help however we can. mike i cant believe you are actually defending his leadership in this situation. perhaps if you were there or had family there you would feel differently. but then that would require you and jon to think of someone else other than yourselves. what do you care ... your taxes are lower. in your minds bush can do no wrong correct again i say un-fricken-believable. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

get up on the wrong side of the bed face it theres nothing bush could do to please you or the other lefties. and those of us on the right are getting a good chuckle watching you all go insane. rfkjr claiming its haley barbours fault katrina hit mississippi and that the uss failure to ratify the kyoto treaty was the cause of katrina. too funny. cmon babour is and has been a political hack for years. do you know his history that aside do you actually think that the response has been timely roy .

From : miles

roy wrote i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. roy how about putting in some serious food water and shelter jam .

From : roy

why cant amtrack make a profit on their own because it wasnt designed to do so. amtrak is the orphan of the rail bankruptcy of the ne u.s. in the 1970s. amtrak started with junk facilities and a promise to fund rehab work until it could survive on its own. this has never been fully realized because the feds consistantly underfund it. compared to what it began with amtrak is shorter on routemiles barely more modern and headed for complete bankruptcy. well said. meanwhile conrail the freight entity created at the same time was funded consistantly until it was able to turn itself into a profitable corporation owned by the federal government. since the government in theory isnt supposed to own something where the private sector would be in competition conrail was offered to the highest bidder in the 90s iirc. it was eventually split between two railraods csx corp and norfolk southern. amtraks biggest problem imo has been the lack of trackage it can call its own usually sharing route miles with freight rail. in many cases it uses the rail lines owned by freight railroads. thus it is at the mercy of the freight roads in terms of scheduling stations and at times motive power. very true especially in ct they are stuck behind locals all the time. if this country changes its attitude towards how amtrak is structured and towards energy policies that dont have long term goals maybe amtrak will work. very true but they need some people in there that know how to run a railroad. a politically appointed board of directors that changes with administrations does it no good either. for steve scott this is where i first ran into haley barbour he was appointed to the amtrak bod. didnt know shit about railroad but that didnt stop him from fucking it up. roy -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. suddenly without warning steve scott exclaimed 02-sep-05 1004 pm there just isnt the demand for rail if you have a car. were in upstate ny and have relatives in chantilly va. weve looked at taking a train down. on top of being considerably more expensive than taking our care not to mention the convenience of having our car when we get there the trip was over 24 hours. shoot we drive it in 6. lets see. slower more expensive less convenient. three great reason to hop on. now if you dont have a vehicle thats another story. see thats what i mean! i remember being on the last trip of the last passenger train to go through my hometown on the d&h lines. my brother was a babe in arms so thatd make it - late 60s i guess. 24 hours is pretty excessive. i wouldnt mind if it took a bit longer than 6 hours - say 10 or even 12 - because the hassles still less than driving. as long as the price is right. it costs a bit to go to london on the train - equivalent of about $130 for a saver fare round-trip last i did it ive seen specials for 19 quid - but as the rides less than 3 hours and theres a complete lack of aggravation involved with the 5 hour drive first on the motorway then into the city. get there early and you can even get a seat with a table. and some trains even have wireless internet now! id take the train to ny all the time if we had the same service in the us. heck id take it anywhere which is what we do here. off to york tomorrow. im not sure that govt subsidies is the way to go though - down that path lies socialism which while not evil isnt the way *i* want our country to go. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own jmc .

From : denny

well craig you might be right to blame bush if bush had command of the ng. however the ng is commanded by the governors of the state where the ng is posted. in this case the pentagon had ordered the ng to iraq. further the reason why things didnt move faster is not lack of leadership but duplicity of leadership. if the mayor of no had his orders followed the levees may have been reinforced. also all leadership appears to have had no plan. no plan to evacuate those without transport no plan to force people to follow the evac orders no plan to have the navy on station within hours i could go on. where does that fall on fema on local government state government ng leadership military leadership etc. ultimately there may be a conflict in how legal it is to order military intervention on a national level into a crisis on a state level. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. just have to put labels on people dont you is that part of the contract when you become a registered republican im not a democrat or a leftie as you put it. anyone too far to the right is just as mis-informed as someone that is too far left. and yes bush could have done more! to day is friday ... got that friday ... the storm hit monday! ng and supplies got there today. once again today is friday. it does not take 4-5 days to get relief to a location outside the u.s. so why did it take that long inside the u.s. i can tell you ... lack of leadership. i cant believe you are actually defending his leadership in this situation. perhaps if you were there or had family there you would feel differently. but then that would require you and jon to think of someone else other than yourselves. what do you care ... your taxes are lower. in your minds bush can do no wrong correct again i say un-fricken-believable. craig c. .

From : max dodge

suddenly without warning steve scott exclaimed 02-sep-05 1004 pm there just isnt the demand for rail if you have a car. were in upstate ny and have relatives in chantilly va. weve looked at taking a train down. on top of being considerably more expensive than taking our care not to mention the convenience of having our car when we get there the trip was over 24 hours. shoot we drive it in 6. lets see. slower more expensive less convenient. three great reason to hop on. now if you dont have a vehicle thats another story. see thats what i mean! i remember being on the last trip of the last passenger train to go through my hometown on the d&h lines. my brother was a babe in arms so thatd make it - late 60s i guess. 24 hours is pretty excessive. i wouldnt mind if it took a bit longer than 6 hours - say 10 or even 12 - because the hassles still less than driving. as long as the price is right. it costs a bit to go to london on the train - equivalent of about $130 for a saver fare round-trip last i did it ive seen specials for 19 quid - but as the rides less than 3 hours and theres a complete lack of aggravation involved with the 5 hour drive first on the motorway then into the city. get there early and you can even get a seat with a table. and some trains even have wireless internet now! id take the train to ny all the time if we had the same service in the us. heck id take it anywhere which is what we do here. off to york tomorrow. im not sure that govt subsidies is the way to go though - down that path lies socialism which while not evil isnt the way *i* want our country to go. why cant amtrack make a profit on their own jmc .

From : snoman

group.com says... there is no spark retard there is a hundred posts that will warn you of getting a dealer to flash the pcm. this will and has cost about 50% of our horsepower. the engine wont run on less then 89 octane. the flash will retard your spark and you wont have a ping but your cruise will be searching for a gear on the highway because it wont maintain overdrive with so little horsepower. the dealer will not flash it back. anyway that is an easy fix but the real problem is all that heat under the hood. after the 6 years it is really taken a toll. 160thermostat is too cold in the winter is replacing my undersized radiator the real answer i kind of doubt a radiator is the answer/problem. my old 77 360 pinged like crazy. a jet change to one size bigger helped as much as anything else i had tried except taking 4 degrees off the timing and that made the truck really gutless on the low end and it was a slug anyway. what seemed to help more than anything was when i went to a colder plug. with the leaded premium they had then i could run a 180 stat advance the timing 2 degrees over stock and be totally ping free even taking about 1000 pounds of junk up i15 to los angeles in the summer. if it didnt ping then it wasnt going to. the only pinging it did after that was when it started eating intake gaskets. what a hassle that was. i did get pretty fast at changing them until i solved the problem once and for all with some horrible smelling gasket sealer stuff. might be worth a shot plugs are cheap you would probably have to order them though.. bdk .

From : Annonymous

stephen the mopar cc cleaner will not hurt a healthy engine and is not traumatic in any way but if you are not experiencing any probs why go to the expense some of the better fuel injector cleaners have the same chemicals in them that is in the mopar cc cleaner. the best fi cleaners imho are 1. mopar fi cleaner 2. chevron techron 3. valvoline syntech. in fact these are the only ones i would recommend. they are slightly more expensive that some other brands but they are better. i think tom l. will agree with this... lets see. mike mike simmons wrote been wrong many times! before. give the cc cleaner a shot and report back... just remember soak it as long as you can! is combustion chamber cleaner something i should apply to my truck engine every now and then even if it runs fine my 98 1500 has 135k miles on it right now. has no problems running; starts up fine and i still get about what i got in mpg when it was new. i use throttle body/carb cleaner and fuel system cleaner usually every other 3000 mile oil change but was wondering if the cc cleaner was something that could be done as well to keep things running optimally. or is cc cleaner a rather traumatic treatment to be used rarely when something seems to actually be wrong with the engine smh .

From : miles

thanks tom. ill look for the cc cleaner tomorrow. im sure the dealer would have it but theyre a little off my beaten trail. hoping to maybe find it at autozone pep boys or oreilly. you need to get this from the dealership... i havent seen this in any aftermarket form and if it did exist id trust the stuff in the mopar can more. i dont usually say this but having used the stuff first-hand i know what it will do. the instructions you found are correct but id add one more step 8 change your spark plugs the cc cleaner will foul them pretty badly - and a set of plugs are cheap. amen! im not trying to schlep mopar stuff on the ng but this is the only product that ive known to really work as advertised... most of the other stuff out there is snake oil. mike .

From : miles

craig@metronet.com wrote so 20000 trailers of supplies sitting behind federal red tape fema is a result of local and state government not requesting help sooner did you read the article i posted in the link http//www.cnn.com/2005/us/09/05/katrina.lott/index.html even trent lott ... the conservative/republican poster boy says the federal government fucked up ... and is still fucking up. regardless i dont have any desire to debate with you. my eyes are open to what is going on. i urge you and many others to open yours. you might even go one step further and do something to help. for example donate money offer an empty room in your house. volunteer to take up collections of clothes and canned goods. the is disaster will go away sooner if everyone works together. local officials said they needed 24 hours to decide whether to declare a disaster or not. that was in direct response of the wh asking them to do just that. .

From : max dodge

it was a slow day at work. craig c. .

From : tom lawrence

this is about the lift pump and injector pump on my 03 ctd ho. i dont have a fp gauge installed as yet and i have 72 thousand miles so far. power isnt what it used to be but i can still haul a 5th wheel up the hill... just takes longer. if the lp is shot or going the ip is soon to follow as far as ive read. two questions come up. first if the lp is shot how long till the ip goes out depends on driving habits i drive 40 miles to work mostly freeway a couple of good grades same on the way home. i tow 7500# once a month or so. does the ip go out within a few miles days weeks unpredictable second question is a bit more involved. if i take a dead ctd to the dealer and they find the lp and ip dead which is warranteed here is why i ask... in the warranty book under fed emission warranty - heavy duty truck it states a heavy duty hd truck has a rating of 10000lbs gvw and an m in the 4th position of the truck id number vin i assume or a 5 6 7 or w in the 8th position. mine has neither. my window sticker saved it states that this truck is a heavy duty truck as do the tailgate badging. whats up with that is it a hd or not under fed emission warrantee the electronic fuel injection system is covered to 5 years/100000 miles. what defines the system is it from fuel cap to injector or from ip to injector what is covered under ca emission warranty if this truck was originally sold in or ca sold no ho ctds in 03 then purchased used in ca. in the dc 7/100 warranty the ip and injectors are covered but it doesnt seem to include the lp. so now a third question. if my ctd dies and i tow it home and replace the lp myself then tow it to the dealer will they cover the dead ip -- fmb only one b in fmb cindy slither home .

From : miles

im planning to install the terk xm direct tuner along with the adapter for my alpine stereo. any good tips on where to install the tunner and adapter any good tips for where to mount the antenna and routing of cable for it .

From : Annonymous

had run a compression check and all cyls were 133 or above; wouldnt a good comp check pretty much rule out rings valves or gasket theres no pretty much yes. theres still a whole host of things that could be wrong... the combustion chamber could be carboned up... it could be a weak fuel pump... it could be a failing cam position sensor... it could be... you see where im going. do the combustion chamber cleaning. if no good and for your peace of mind swap the injectors again put a little dab of paint or something on #5 cause its easier to reach before removing it just to be sure you get them swapped - its easy enough to do. doubtful it will change anything but what the hell... beyond that i think you need to get it to someone with more advanced diagnostic equipment. i havent followed the thread with the intensity that i should have but iirc the misfire code is the same cylinder each time right if so the injector swap if done properly ;^ should eliminate that possibility. i would think that if the code was persistent to one specific cylinder it is likely not a cam sensor or fuel pump since they are common to all the cylinders and would probably generate a random cylinder code... but hey i been wrong many times! before. give the cc cleaner a shot and report back... just remember soak it as long as you can! mike .

From : tom lawrence

ill readily agree red tape is a problem. but red tape is caused by the very government which complains of it. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. so 20000 trailers of supplies sitting behind federal red tape fema is a result of local and state government not requesting help sooner did you read the article i posted in the link http//www.cnn.com/2005/us/09/05/katrina.lott/index.html even trent lott ... the conservative/republican poster boy says the federal government fucked up ... and is still fucking up. regardless i dont have any desire to debate with you. my eyes are open to what is going on. i urge you and many others to open yours. you might even go one step further and do something to help. for example donate money offer an empty room in your house. volunteer to take up collections of clothes and canned goods. the is disaster will go away sooner if everyone works together. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

big al wrote big al wrote every 318 or 360 i ave ever owned 3 360s or driven over a dozen pinged a little or in the case of the 2000s and 2001s a lot. i didnt buy a 2000 ram and that was one of the main reason. bdk 2003 hemi ram.. ive only owned two. a 90 and a 92. both pinged until i put colder plugs in. the 92 tows everything and has most of its life. i run 87 in it and it never pings. with the factory plugs it would ping under medium power output. give it more or less throttle and it would quit. al 92 w250 360 5 speed. when you put in colder plug you are in effect retarding the spped of spread of the flame after ignition and reducing engine efficency. you may have think you cured it but your cure is costing you in fuel consumption and give that with today price that better fuel can be bought for a mere 2 or 3% more way would you insist on still using the lowest octane fuel you can buy when mpg gains can more than offset the cost where did this info come from im interested in reading it. thanks al why do you think the ping stopped by magic ping is caused by too quick of flame speed spread speed of spread is determined by pressure and tempature of ignition source detenation is caused by the fuel igniting without a spark. by retarding the spark or using a colder plug to can retard the peak pressure and rate of flame spread in relation to piston cycle but when you retard combution process to control ping you loose efficency. man i took this stuff in college when studing for a engineering degree in the late 70s and the physics of the processes in a ic engine have not changed any only some of the methods to control and feed it has. -- posted using the http//www.autoforumz.com interface at authors request articles individually checked for conformance to usenet standards topic url http//www.autoforumz.com/dodge-milage-premium-fuel-ftopict136209.html visit topic url to contact author reg. reqd. report abuse http//www.autoforumz.com/eform.phpp=664585 .

From : transurgeon

so 20000 trailers of supplies sitting behind federal red tape fema is a result of local and state government not requesting help sooner did you read the article i posted in the link http//www.cnn.com/2005/us/09/05/katrina.lott/index.html even trent lott ... the conservative/republican poster boy says the federal government fucked up ... and is still fucking up. regardless i dont have any desire to debate with you. my eyes are open to what is going on. i urge you and many others to open yours. you might even go one step further and do something to help. for example donate money offer an empty room in your house. volunteer to take up collections of clothes and canned goods. the is disaster will go away sooner if everyone works together. craig c. .

From : transurgeon

if you are a resident of n.o. or la yes your government should have done better http//www.cnn.com/2005/us/09/05/katrina.lott/index.html covering your eyes and pretending a problem doesnt exist in the federal goverment doesnt mean the problem isnt there. craig c. .

From : nosey

i made my point. our government could have done and should have done better. the details of how are widely debatable. i already expended all of the debate fuel i had in reserve with max. sorry. ; craig c. .

From : Annonymous

never said he was. any site with novaks name is going to pander to those who worship at the altar of conservatism in general and bush in particular. the essays didnt seem conservative or liberal just to the point and backed by fact. sorry scotty your bizarre idea of fact is well known. novak was not the author of the commentary in question. never said he was. any site with novaks name is going to pander to those who worship at the altar of conservatism in general and bush in particular. food for thought........ http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405ds.html http//realclearpolitics.com/commentary/com-9405sc.html http//www.investors.com/editorial/ibdarticles.aspartsec=20 although it will likely make no difference since many have already made their minds up in spite of the facts.. bob novak theres a truly unbiased reporter/commentator; not. .

From : Annonymous

mikesim@yhti.net writes before i would do anything else i would try cleaning the combustion chambers with mopar combustion chamber cleaner. i have seen several times where excess carbon builds up in the combustion chamber and valves and allows the engine to run lean enough for the pcm to pickup a cylinder misfire code. this is a cheap solution if it works. just follow the directions on the can and leave it soak for as long as possible. i think the directions say a minimum of two hours longer is better and overnite is ideal. then run the s**t out of it to blow the carbon out. it will smoke like the dickens so dont do this in an enclosed area. if this doesnt work then you probably have no recourse but to see a dealer. explain to the service advisor/service manager what you have done in detail and ask that he put his best driveability tech on the job. good luck! mike thanks mike & tom. so from what i think i hear you saying is this is unlikely to be an injector problem i ask because im having nightmares about the injector swap we did several months back thinking now of the possibility i might have accidently put the original injectors right back into the same holes 5 & 7 rather than swap them. if based on symptoms occuring at low rpm only theres still a chance of this being an injector problem say so and ill try that. i had another guy try to tell me it could be a #7 cylinder problem and suggested a possible ring valve or head gasket problem. i mentioned we had run a compression check and all cyls were 133 or above; wouldnt a good comp check pretty much rule out rings valves or gasket theres no foreign fluids in either the oil or water. thanks .

From : steve scott

theyll actually fly that thing that low and that slow hell theyre lucky someone didnt shoot at it. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. and at 550mph and 25000 feet thats all the closer he wanted to get. wonder what he saw from up there try about 250mph at 2500 feet. but still - not the same as seeing it from the ground... which is impossible. .

From : Annonymous

tom lawrence wrote if by chance its the fuel pump wouldnt it also be hard to start during those cool mornings a cheap fuel pressure gauge will answer that question for you ok i put a fuel pressure gauge on it. just by turning the key i get 38 psi. start it and it jumps up to 40 psi while running. after about two hours it will bleed down to 4 or 5 psi. turn the key and it immediately jumps up to 38. now it seems like it doesnt matter if its warm or cool weather you have to crank on it 4 to 10 seconds before it will fire up. i got new plug wires cap and rotor. autolite 3923s less than a year old pulled number 1 looked good. replaced a temp sensor on right front side of throttle body. any ideas thanks .

From : jon

im not sure why the pentagon didnt obtain permission and send in a fleet of amphibious assault ships land on the beaches conduct an urban warfare drill and cap it by training soldiers to hand out food and medical supplies. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. i guess everybody has been watching the coverage. i figure it is time to put some serious troops in with a no bs set of orders. roy .

From : roy

more clueless psycho-babble from the bush-hating looney left. so tell us if your hero kerry put you in charge of hurricane relief what would *you* do differently nevermind it would be just more looney-left psycho-babble. rotflmao! naw ... 72 hours ago our fearless leader was still vacationing. how dare you expect any immediate action. un-frickin-believable. craig c. .

From : Annonymous

the plant is around $180 million quite a investment. sadly there is one hell of a need for its products the great part about it is that it will be located adjacent to a coal burning power plant and some of the byproduct of the caol burning potash iirc is a major ingredient in gypsum wall board. also its on a well maintained low traffic heavy rail line and close to i 80 so shipment out is easy as well. big time good thing for this area. -- max give a man a match and he is warm for a short while. light him on fire and he is warm for the rest of his life. usg just agreed to build a new plant here. more jobs and plenty of market for the product. i bought some stock in usg a couple of months ago it has gone up over $20 a share since. not a bad return thus far. the plant is around $180 million quite a investment. sadly there is one hell of a need for its products roy .

From : transurgeon

i have been lurking inside this group since my first dodge truck back in 97. i am now an owner of a 2004.5 325 600 2500 cummins. with all the talk about k&n and the claims and disclaimers etc. what upgrades are recommended and why i see ads in tdr for air tabs for chips for dual exhaust for induction systems etc. without this turning into the inevitable diss session against one another could we have a discussion on this topic and enlighten all the readers have a safe holiday weekend and continue in your thoughts our fellow citizens in the gulf coast area. joe life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body; but rather to skid in broadside thoroughly used up totally worn out and loudly proclaiming - wow - what a ride!!!!!! go fast and the wrinkles wont show!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

From : roy

the verdict is in... i didnt buy the 5th wheel but did pick up a 25 travel trailer at 4400 lbs dry. we loaded it lightly- probably just barely over 5000 lbs. as some of the posters predicted its pretty slow up steep grades 7% at high altitude 7000+ feet; we drop down to about 35 mph. but there are turnouts so we can get out of other peoples way and- whats the hurry where the grade is not so steep it isnt hard to keep the speed up but you can only go so fast with a 25 trailer behind you anyway if there are any curves in the road. i did follow macs advice and got a weight distribution hitch which seems to steady things quite a bit. on the other hand we are beginning to look longingly at a 2500 with the cummins which might be nice for added confidence on cross-country trips and would open things up in the future for a larger rv. thanks again to all who responded... .