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From : steveb toquerville zionvistas

Q: had to do an oil change on my 06 2500 w/cummins. went and bought a fram as that was what the store had and i wasnt paying attention. i usually use fleetguard but was out. the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. fleetguard has the bottom that the special graphite cap wrench can fit on but fram does not. so i had to put the fram on 1/32 of a turn with a regular oil filter wrench. either that or remove the fender liner. i am going to invest in one of those with the long shaft where i can get to it from the bottom. ill never ever buy fram again. next the air filter. took out the fleetguard and it needed changing. my the fram filter is so much lighter. i held it to the light and the thing has half the fingers and looks like its made out of cheesecloth. you can see through it. fram filters are shit too. even the napa ones are a lot thicker. rant off. steve -- keep an eye on them or lose them amendment i congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. amendment ii a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. .

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From : steveb toquerville zionvistas

the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. lifes a lot easier if you just take the airbox out. though i change mine from underneath not a stock airbox any more - i use a 2 extension bar and a fluted filter wrench. i always use fleetguard - i make sure i always have some on hand via genos garage which reminds me - i better order some more. i have a set of those end-cap filter wrenches... once my filter was stuck so bad i tore the center out of the filter wrench and had to wind up removing the wheel inner fender liner and lower turbo intake pipe to go after the filter with a big set of channel locks... that wont happen again - i welded a socket to the filter wrench.... sucker will deform the filter itself before breaking again im with tom with fleetguard and genos and usually buy the 4-2-1 kit. http//www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=mk2003-af-fl-dg or http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom http//www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=lc54780 or http//tinyurl.com/5dsr95. now im really pissed. i could have gotten everything a lot cheaper from genos. steve .

From : steve w

tom lawrence wrote http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom oh that universal wrench from genos made of orange plastic i stripped that out after about 5 uses. thats when i switched to the metal wrenches. the centers on those are just held on with 5 weak spot welds. and no im not over-tightening my filters when i put them on - i always do contact + 3/4 turn. for some reason they just seem to tighten themselves up over time and are always a bit of a bitch to remove. i have one of the three finger heavy duty wrenches to use on stuck filters. it works great but its possible to tear the filter housing apart if you encounter one of those gorilla tightened filters.... -- steve w. near cooperstown new york ----== posted via pro.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.pro.com the #1 group service in the world! 100000 groups ---= - total privacy via encryption =--- .

From : roy

fram filters have come apart internally. the paper fibers will plug your small piston cooling j jets. beware of the fram. i thought that issue was resolved a number of years ago. .

From : beekeep

on fri 5 dec 2008 105547 -0500 tom lawrence tlawrence5@earthlink.not wrote http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom oh that universal wrench from genos made of orange plastic i stripped that out after about 5 uses. thats when i switched to the metal wrenches. the centers on those are just held on with 5 weak spot welds. and no im not over-tightening my filters when i put them on - i always do contact + 3/4 turn. for some reason they just seem to tighten themselves up over time and are always a bit of a bitch to remove. i always smear a little oil on the rubber seal with my finger before installing the new filter. i can usually remove the filter by hand when i change the oil. personally i like wix filters. beekeep .

From : fmb

http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom oh that universal wrench from genos made of orange plastic i stripped that out after about 5 uses. thats when i switched to the metal wrenches. the centers on those are just held on with 5 weak spot welds. and no im not over-tightening my filters when i put them on - i always do contact + 3/4 turn. for some reason they just seem to tighten themselves up over time and are always a bit of a bitch to remove. no tom the black metal one. no negative issues with it here. fmb north mexico .

From : bryan

fram filters have come apart internally. the paper fibers will plug your small piston cooling j jets. beware of the fram. had to do an oil change on my 06 2500 w/cummins. went and bought a fram as that was what the store had and i wasnt paying attention. i usually use fleetguard but was out. the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. fleetguard has the bottom that the special graphite cap wrench can fit on but fram does not. so i had to put the fram on 1/32 of a turn with a regular oil filter wrench. either that or remove the fender liner. i am going to invest in one of those with the long shaft where i can get to it from the bottom. ill never ever buy fram again. next the air filter. took out the fleetguard and it needed changing. my the fram filter is so much lighter. i held it to the light and the thing has half the fingers and looks like its made out of cheesecloth. you can see through it. fram filters are shit too. even the napa ones are a lot thicker. rant off. steve -- keep an eye on them or lose them amendment i congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. amendment ii a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. .

From : tom lawrence

http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom oh that universal wrench from genos made of orange plastic i stripped that out after about 5 uses. thats when i switched to the metal wrenches. the centers on those are just held on with 5 weak spot welds. and no im not over-tightening my filters when i put them on - i always do contact + 3/4 turn. for some reason they just seem to tighten themselves up over time and are always a bit of a bitch to remove. .

From : fmb

the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. lifes a lot easier if you just take the airbox out. though i change mine from underneath not a stock airbox any more - i use a 2 extension bar and a fluted filter wrench. i always use fleetguard - i make sure i always have some on hand via genos garage which reminds me - i better order some more. i have a set of those end-cap filter wrenches... once my filter was stuck so bad i tore the center out of the filter wrench and had to wind up removing the wheel inner fender liner and lower turbo intake pipe to go after the filter with a big set of channel locks... that wont happen again - i welded a socket to the filter wrench.... sucker will deform the filter itself before breaking again im with tom with fleetguard and genos and usually buy the 4-2-1 kit. http//www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=mk2003-af-fl-dg or http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom http//www.genosgarage.com/prodinfo.aspnumber=lc54780 or http//tinyurl.com/5dsr95. .

From : steveb toquerville zionvistas

tom lawrence wrote http//tinyurl.com/jmysn and bought the wrench too for $4 but havent been able to tear out the center yet like tom oh that universal wrench from genos made of orange plastic i stripped that out after about 5 uses. thats when i switched to the metal wrenches. the centers on those are just held on with 5 weak spot welds. and no im not over-tightening my filters when i put them on - i always do contact + 3/4 turn. for some reason they just seem to tighten themselves up over time and are always a bit of a bitch to remove. i have one of the three finger heavy duty wrenches to use on stuck filters. it works great but its possible to tear the filter housing apart if you encounter one of those gorilla tightened filters.... -- steve w. near cooperstown new york my black graphite wrench stripped out the 3/8 center hole but it had another 21mm hex formed into the wrench. that worked fine. steve .

From : tom lawrence

the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. lifes a lot easier if you just take the airbox out. though i change mine from underneath not a stock airbox any more - i use a 2 extension bar and a fluted filter wrench. i always use fleetguard - i make sure i always have some on hand via genos garage which reminds me - i better order some more. i have a set of those end-cap filter wrenches... once my filter was stuck so bad i tore the center out of the filter wrench and had to wind up removing the wheel inner fender liner and lower turbo intake pipe to go after the filter with a big set of channel locks... that wont happen again - i welded a socket to the filter wrench.... sucker will deform the filter itself before breaking again .

From : geekboy

had to do an oil change on my 06 2500 w/cummins. went and bought a fram as that was what the store had and i wasnt paying attention. i usually use fleetguard but was out. the oil filter is barely accessible from underneath. man the engineers who designed that position musta been smokin some goooooooood shit that day. fleetguard has the bottom that the special graphite cap wrench can fit on but fram does not. so i had to put the fram on 1/32 of a turn with a regular oil filter wrench. either that or remove the fender liner. i am going to invest in one of those with the long shaft where i can get to it from the bottom. ill never ever buy fram again. next the air filter. took out the fleetguard and it needed changing. my the fram filter is so much lighter. i held it to the light and the thing has half the fingers and looks like its made out of cheesecloth. you can see through it. fram filters are shit too. even the napa ones are a lot thicker. thats with the 5.9l correct rant off. steve -- keep an eye on them or lose them amendment i congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances. amendment ii a well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. .