Gimmick, or could this work...
From : john robertson
Q: tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote in on tue 05 apr 2005 022358 gmt alan petrillo asp@baylink.com wrote bob g. wrote the honda accord with the electric motor rated at 29 & 37 racked up 20.4 mpg i have no experience with the accord hybrid but my mothers civic hybrid did a real-world 47mpg on the highway on a trip to new jersey and back from florida late last year. ============ my original post a few weeks ago was just because i could not believe these... wonderful... hybrids were getting such poor relative to their advertised fuel mileage... why should this surprise you if you actually read what was said you would see that these cars were being driven in their worst possible way and under the worst conditions. if you operate them as they were intended the mileage would get much closer to what they are advertized to be in many situations. nonsense - its exactly the opposite. advertised mileage is almost always fiction. for many people the way those cars were driven are considered normal driving. for the few who complained i suspect that to be true but once again they were not driving them the way they were intended to be driven. the example that you gave also had the defroster on all of the time which was a worst case condition for that type of vehicle. i think that i used my defroster about 20 times since i bought it in 97 and i lived in nj for most of that time so the constant use of the defroster is not a common thing. if you also want to try and drive it like a sports car then the mileage will be significantly reduced but they are not sports cars. not surprised on the mileage your moms civic got on the trip... hell my corvette got 34 mpg on a 400 mile run down the interstate ..with the speed control set at 82 mph... no starting or stopping very little acceleration...pretty level terrain... yea because you were driving it under ideal conditions and not the way it was intended to be driven. if you get on it since it is a sports car in the city i bet that you get about half of that mileage. just like hybrids will get less than half their advertised mileage when theyre driven under real world i.e. horrible conditions. and what is the advertized mileage of your vette the simple fact is that they are capable of significant mileage if you drive them that way and even though that cannot be done all of the time they will still always do better than your vette under similar situations. still 30 percent less then your moms car...but it made me happy... im sure that it does but that is not realistic driving and ill bet that a hybrid under those conditions perhaps not that fast would be getting closer to 60 mpg. you really need to compare apples to apples. its very simple - hybrids driven normally in the real world dont get anywhere near their advertised mileage. and your proof of this is where and exactly what is your definition of normal -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
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From : david norris
on wed 06 apr 2005 183819 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on tue 05 apr 2005 022358 gmt alan petrillo asp@baylink.com wrote bob g. wrote the honda accord with the electric motor rated at 29 & 37 racked up 20.4 mpg i have no experience with the accord hybrid but my mothers civic hybrid did a real-world 47mpg on the highway on a trip to new jersey and why should this surprise you if you actually read what was said you would see that these cars were being driven in their worst possible way and under the worst conditions. if you operate them as they were intended the mileage would get much closer to what they are advertized to be in many situations. what i read said the cars were long term test vehicles...driven during the summer and into the winter...driven normally as you or i may drive...nowhere did it indicate they were driven in any abnormal way.. the point of the article was that if the driver needed to use the cars defroster or heater or god forbid the air conditioner things i know at least i want to use when required for both saftey and comfort...the fuel effeciency went down the tubes... honestly if i were in the market for a new vehicle i would consider buying a hybird but it would be stupid financially to buy one purely to save money on fuel... bob griffiths .
From : peter
dont know. but transmissions in the late 80s to mid 90s v-6 caravans are some of the worse out there. i had a 1989 and a 1992 ... needing replacement transmissions before 90000 miles. .
From : tom lawrence
how does the computer that determines what mpg for the new vehicles work is there a fuel flow meter or what it calculates fuel injected from injector pulse width fuel rail pressure and possibly also intake manifold vacuum readings. nothing too fancy ; peter .
From : mike simmons
i had water injection on a 427 with high compression piston that i couldnt afford to buy race gas for and still drive it. oh to be young and with a parts catalog again http//www.savefuel.ca/members/904335/hydrogen.htmovraw=hydrogen%20cars%20fuel&ovkey=hydrogen%20fuel%20car&ovmtc=standard i did a report on this in college last semester not this product but hydrogen fuel cells...i have never seen an add on system for a fuel only system. but could this work how reliable is it for a gas-only engine my wild guess here the website does not provide any description! is that hydrogen is generated via electrolysis and then fed into engine via air intake. this is similar to what propane-powered engine would do and primary danger in such a setup is that explosive hydrogne/air mixture inside intake manifold can self-ignite and at the very least blow your intake pipe which is plastic. you also risk damaging map/maf sensor and if your intake manifold is plastic then it gets blown away too. secondly fundamental laws of physics will prohibit you from any mpg-increase here... hydrogen is generated using electricity which in turn is generated by alternator which is powered by good ole gasoline engine. if anything your mpg will go down as hydrogen production is not lossless there can be leaks etc. third ecm will probably get confused by an overly rich mixture and whole engine management can go haywire. not to mention possible damage by water vapour. what did they say... there is a sucker born every free lunch or so ; peter when you look at the site it says hydro-gen. i suspect it is water injection. i dont know how good this is for an engine but ive seen water injection systems for sale at jc whitney in the past. they claimed more power due to the added oxygen but i just cant see spraying water into your intake manifold. i could be wrong but ill let someone else try it. .
From : peter
i did a report on this in college last semester not this product but hydrogen fuel cells...i have never seen an add on system for a fuel only system. but could this work how reliable is it for a gas-only engine secondly fundamental laws of physics will prohibit you from any mpg-increase here... hydrogen is generated using electricity which in turn is generated by alternator which is powered by good ole gasoline engine. if anything your mpg will go down as hydrogen production is not lossless there can be leaks etc. ah yes that nasty old law regarding conservation of energy.... gets em every time....... sigh contact your senator to get that old and outdated law revoked! pete .
From : zoso
http//www.savefuel.ca/members/904335/hydrogen.htmovraw=hydrogen%20cars%20fuel&ovkey=hydrogen%20fuel%20car&ovmtc=standard i did a report on this in college last semester not this product but hydrogen fuel cells...i have never seen an add on system for a fuel only system. but could this work how reliable is it for a gas-only engine my wild guess here the website does not provide any description! is that hydrogen is generated via electrolysis and then fed into engine via air intake. this is similar to what propane-powered engine would do and primary danger in such a setup is that explosive hydrogne/air mixture inside intake manifold can self-ignite and at the very least blow your intake pipe which is plastic. you also risk damaging map/maf sensor and if your intake manifold is plastic then it gets blown away too. secondly fundamental laws of physics will prohibit you from any mpg-increase here... hydrogen is generated using electricity which in turn is generated by alternator which is powered by good ole gasoline engine. if anything your mpg will go down as hydrogen production is not lossless there can be leaks etc. ah yes that nasty old law regarding conservation of energy.... gets em every time....... sigh mike third ecm will probably get confused by an overly rich mixture and whole engine management can go haywire. not to mention possible damage by water vapour. what did they say... there is a sucker born every free lunch or so ; peter .
From : peter
http//www.savefuel.ca/members/904335/hydrogen.htmovraw=hydrogen%20cars%20fuel&ovkey=hydrogen%20fuel%20car&ovmtc=standard i did a report on this in college last semester not this product but hydrogen fuel cells...i have never seen an add on system for a fuel only system. but could this work how reliable is it for a gas-only engine my wild guess here the website does not provide any description! is that hydrogen is generated via electrolysis and then fed into engine via air intake. this is similar to what propane-powered engine would do and primary danger in such a setup is that explosive hydrogne/air mixture inside intake manifold can self-ignite and at the very least blow your intake pipe which is plastic. you also risk damaging map/maf sensor and if your intake manifold is plastic then it gets blown away too. secondly fundamental laws of physics will prohibit you from any mpg-increase here... hydrogen is generated using electricity which in turn is generated by alternator which is powered by good ole gasoline engine. if anything your mpg will go down as hydrogen production is not lossless there can be leaks etc. third ecm will probably get confused by an overly rich mixture and whole engine management can go haywire. not to mention possible damage by water vapour. what did they say... there is a sucker born every free lunch or so ; peter when you look at the site it says hydro-gen. i suspect it is water injection. i dont know how good this is for an engine but ive seen water injection systems for sale at jc whitney in the past. they claimed more power due to the added oxygen but i just cant see spraying water into your intake manifold. i could be wrong but ill let someone else try it. .
From : david norris
which full synthetic trans fluid meets dodge specs thanks. dave hey..lookie who dropped in...the local illi pedophile. wow...i never thought you would pop into yet another group i am in but to anyone that is thinking of helping this fucking child molesting pervert the only help he needs is for someone to help with the knots in the lynchin rope.. this guys sick. .
From : tbone
make sure that you check the idler and tensioner pulleys and make sure that one of them is not on the way out and kicked off the belt. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving cheekspro@webtv.net mike cheek writes yeterday i thew the belt off ....it was needing replaced bad...parts of it got wrapped in air-cond. clutch...i removed it but now it seems its slipping....air isnt cool as normal.....worked great before the belt broke...can you replace clutch without removing compresser...can you even buy just clutch...whats the trick if any to remove clutch......thanks....mike before you throw the baby out with the bathwater check to be sure the clutch electrical cable is still plugged in to the clutch assembly and check to see that you possibly didnt break one of the wires. does the clutch still engage and/or disengage when operating the a/c if the belt was as bad as you say im surprised it wasnt screeching like a banshee long months before it broke. .
From : theski
does petrol engines use fuel rail pressure sensor at all none that im aware of at least in the scope of this group anyway 5 psi at all times. that alone could account for error margin of 10% or so... yes although when operating in closed-loop mode the varience in fuel pressure would be overcome by tuning the fuel delivery to keep the o2 sensors happy. .
From : peter
suddenly without warning brent d exclaimed 4/7/2005 713 am i tried this ng in both ways; nice/full of shit and mean/honest. obviously the mean/honest approach stirs responses and reveals the best from the ignorant. so ill be mean and honest. recently did a d47 ball joint recall on a durango and noticed the brakes were real thin. customer responded to the writer by saying; why are you selling me crap i dont need when i just want the recall done that i need after that i chose not to mention the leaking front shocks and loose tie rod ends not under warranty on this vehicle. after all if brakes arent important why is suspension and steering two weeks later the customer returns and complains to the service manager that we did not recognize the loose rod ends and midas who did their brake repair that they did not need. . . remember did notice the problem. as a dealer we are cons for recognizing needed repairs while performing warranty services yet we are idiots and inferior to independents when we dont. make up your minds. waiting to hear from the warranty kings and queens who have stories of repairs that should have been done under warranty. read the manual that you never opened and came with the vehicle its not covered. brent so just whats wrong with nice/honest eh incidentally if id ever been to your shop with your attitude id take my truck elsewhere right quick. not that i would end up there since i ask around before choosing who will work on my truck and i suspect that word-of-mouth would have me avoiding the place. trust me word gets around. its your *job* to tell me whats wrong with my truck whether i like it or not. its *my* job to decide whether or not to trust that what youre telling me is honest and respond accordingly. ive been to shops that assume cause im a lady i dont know anything about vehicles. theyve been disabused of that notion and will never again get my business. word of mouth has lost them lots of business now. incidentally what it sounds like to me is that the customer *did* listen to what you said just use a poor way to say thanks. ill get it fixed elsewhere and did just that. thats their right as a consumer. you should have told him the full story or at least put it on the invoice. i prolly would have done the same thing. if the repair is not under warranty and i have a second shop that i trust and is less expensive ill kindly thank the mechanic for pointing it out state that i dont really want to get it fixed today thanks and go to my independent. again thats my choice as a consumer. its the dealerships choice to be more expensive than the competition and i know for a fact that its not because mopar or whatever parts are better quality than what id get elsewhere. jmc .
From : tom lawrence
how accurate are the trip computers when showing average gas mileage instant mpg temperature etc. .
From : aarcuda69062
http//www.savefuel.ca/members/904335/hydrogen.htmovraw=hydrogen%20cars%20fuel&ovkey=hydrogen%20fuel%20car&ovmtc=standard i did a report on this in college last semester not this product but hydrogen fuel cells...i have never seen an add on system for a fuel only system. but could this work how reliable is it for a gas-only engine my wild guess here the website does not provide any description! is that hydrogen is generated via electrolysis and then fed into engine via air intake. this is similar to what propane-powered engine would do and primary danger in such a setup is that explosive hydrogne/air mixture inside intake manifold can self-ignite and at the very least blow your intake pipe which is plastic. you also risk damaging map/maf sensor and if your intake manifold is plastic then it gets blown away too. secondly fundamental laws of physics will prohibit you from any mpg-increase here... hydrogen is generated using electricity which in turn is generated by alternator which is powered by good ole gasoline engine. if anything your mpg will go down as hydrogen production is not lossless there can be leaks etc. third ecm will probably get confused by an overly rich mixture and whole engine management can go haywire. not to mention possible damage by water vapour. what did they say... there is a sucker born every free lunch or so ; peter .