Gas Prices

From : wmhjcbhvac

Q: the owners manual for my 03 ram says to cross them. it says cross the left rear to right front and right rear to left front. the fronts go to the back on the same side. i have been told that with the modern radial tires you can cross them. i have been doing this for several years with no problems. just my experience copper i thought you were never suposed to criss cross rotate radials! i was told the rotation of the radial tires should always be in the same direction hence the right rear goes to the right front and the left rear to the left front and vice versa. i was told if you criss cross them you will experience just what you got. a large amount of vibration and problems. just what someone told me once..... .

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From : crookedridez

its $1.77 here in ny and rising still. thats for 87. 93 is about $1.91 or higher. well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol .

From : josh

well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol thats awesome. its about time someone stepped up. j now if that thinking could migrate to ct second only to hi in prices... .

From : tbonewrhirschnospam

that argument is only valid of you are talking about productive time. there are times during the day when people are just sitting on there asses listening to music watching tv or reading. you can listen to music read and with todays modern gadgets even watch tv while sitting in line at the gas station and still save 27 bucks. being paid $9.00 and hour for doing nothing more than i would be doing for free anyway sounds pretty good to me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving gas rushes have excitement but what is the true savings presuming you have a full-sized ram and the tank is bone-dry that is a 36 gallon fill-up. the gas is roughly 75 cents off per gallon. so for a three hour wait you would save $27.00. i guess if your time is not worth $9.00 per hour this was a deal. if someone advertised wait three hours and i will give you 25 bucks i dont know many people who would scramble over. that said there is something to the excitement of saying i just paid a buck a gallon for gas . /ty well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol .

From : ty tybala at the server known as hotmail dot comdan j s

gas rushes have excitement but what is the true savings presuming you have a full-sized ram and the tank is bone-dry that is a 36 gallon fill-up. the gas is roughly 75 cents off per gallon. so for a three hour wait you would save $27.00. i guess if your time is not worth $9.00 per hour this was a deal. if someone advertised wait three hours and i will give you 25 bucks i dont know many people who would scramble over. that said there is something to the excitement of saying i just paid a buck a gallon for gas .. /ty well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol .

From : dan j s

gas rushes have excitement but what is the true savings presuming you have a full-sized ram and the tank is bone-dry that is a 36 gallon fill-up. the gas is roughly 75 cents off per gallon. so for a three hour wait you would save $27.00. i guess if your time is not worth $9.00 per hour this was a deal. if someone advertised wait three hours and i will give you 25 bucks i dont know many people who would scramble over. that said there is something to the excitement of saying i just paid a buck a gallon for gas . /ty here in chicago when people get off the main train arteries you have people distributing free crap. for example today it was a package of mints two of them in a sample container. you would not believe the lines. these are not poor folks either they are executives and other white collar workers. there is something about shit being given out for free. another thing trade shows. you will see people do almost anything for a t-shirt that they will probably never even wear. this includes sitting through 45 minute presentations. .

From : miles

crooked-ridez wrote its $1.77 here in ny and rising still. thats for 87. 93 is about $1.91 or higher. its about $2.05 here in phoenix. down from $2.25 a few weeks ago. .

From : wrhirschnospam

here in winnipeg manitoba canada gas costs me about$3.50 canadian an imperial gallon we pay by the litre it is currently 77.4 cents a litre there is 4.5 litres per gallon and we are one of the cheaper places to buy gas so even with the exchange rate you get a good deal at $2.00 or less a gallon so life could be worse you could live in canada cheers wayne cbhvac wrote well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol .

From : spinmanmike simmons

hot damn! im coming thru charlotte next thursday on the way to wilmington how much is diesel mike well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol .

From : mike simmons

no no no t-bone - thats how they pick the 5 star mechanic for the day. beekeep you been peekin again greg ^ mike on wed 10 sep 2003 231337 -0400 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote no no no red. the dart board is how they decide who gets to be a 5 star dealer. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i saw a dart board in the back room of the last 5 star service managers office that i was in bg i cant speak for the other five star dealers but we have a little gizmo that works like the old magic eight ball. we shake it and on the bottom it will let us know what to break on our customers cars each day. that way we dont get too repetitive..... chaos confusion and trouble!!!! my work here is almost done .

From : miles

tbone wrote that argument is only valid of you are talking about productive time. there are times during the day when people are just sitting on there asses listening to music watching tv or reading. you can listen to music read and with todays modern gadgets even watch tv while sitting in line at the gas station and still save 27 bucks. being paid $9.00 and hour for doing nothing more than i would be doing for free anyway sounds pretty good to me. there are better things to do with my time than sit in my car for 3 hours. if all i am doing is sitting and reading the paper or listening to the stereo id rather be at home. $9 to sit in my car is not my idea of a good value for my time. .

From : miles

i recently bought a 1990 d150 with about 20000 miles on it. yes very low mileage for a 1990 it has a 5.2 liter engine and 3 speed automatic. it drove alright and seemed to have enough power though not quite as much as i had expected. it failed the state emissions test for co & hydrocarbons at idle. i took it to a 5 star dodge dealership and had it serviced now my power is gone. i can barely get up a hill at 30 mph in second with the gas pedal floored. i used to get up this hill at 50 with power to spare. the mechanic told me he replaced a leaky main vacuum hose going into the air pump. also he changed the timing from 15 - 18 degrees before tdc to 10 degrees before tdc which is the setting on the emissions sticker under the hood. when i told the dealership that my truck is now gutless they said that they had done the best they could and could not tune it back to restore my power because they could lose their emissions certification. i can get up to freeway speed but it takes a while now and hills slow me down. also i now have very weak acceleration and really have to step on the gas to get any results. i find it hard to believe this truck has a v8 yet so little power. im assuming this truck should have enough power if everything is ok. i am going to retune it myself this weekend. does timing make that drastic a difference i plan on going b

From : mario

miles wrote tbone wrote there are better things to do with my time than sit in my car for 3 hours. if all i am doing is sitting and reading the paper or listening to the stereo id rather be at home. $9 to sit in my car is not my idea of a good value for my time. agreed. and are they idling the vehicle for 3 hours shutting down and restarting numerous times thats dumb. .

From : tbone

miles wrote tbone wrote there are better things to do with my time than sit in my car for 3 hours. if all i am doing is sitting and reading the paper or listening to the stereo id rather be at home. $9 to sit in my car is not my idea of a good value for my time. agreed. and are they idling the vehicle for 3 hours shutting down and restarting numerous times thats dumb. i would think that 3 hours was a bit of an exaggeration but even still your argument holds no water. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : me

in calgary we are paying $0.77 a litre.... that works out to about $3.08 a us gallon and approx. $4.01 c which is about $2.36 us. that is us $0.20 in the last month. m. crooked-ridez wrote its $1.77 here in ny and rising still. thats for 87. 93 is about $1.91 or higher. its about $2.05 here in phoenix. down from $2.25 a few weeks ago. .

From : napalm heart

what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. aaagh! my eyes! please turn off the caps lock! if gas prices go too high for too long there will be a ripple effect in the economy as businesses lose potential sales. the saudis even recognize this as prince bandar has indicated that the oil will be allowed to flow in greater quantities. they know that if it is pushed too far the world economy will be crippled and they will receive less money in the long run. ken ken .

From : cbhvac stephen

what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. first its affected your caps lock key...its stuck and you need to turn it off. second as someone that drives on average 175 miles a day yesterday had to be one of the worst traffic days i have seen in a while or at least since i was in ca. as far as the economy being effected it will but like anything else adjustments will happen and $2 a gallon fuel is a reality that is here to stay. it is real simple if you cant afford to drive it park it. $65 for a fill up isnt bad wont break me and if i really want to look at it in a positive light its cheaper than an hour of my time so all i have to do to have enough fuel for a week in one van is simple...work 3 hours and the fuel is paid for. .

From : dan j s

what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. it will motivate people to find other alternatives. it will make automakers build more efficient cars. ethanol fuel by my house is only 1.26 a gallon. problem is my car doesnt run on it but most chryco cars do. see if your car is ffv or e85 compatible. .

From : joe

what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. im wondering if other countries are seeing the same percentage increase as the u.s. is. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : msyjsy

we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : cbhvac stephen

we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. bingo. back in the 80s when i was in germany it was over $4 for a litre of fuel. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : fmb

fmbb@sbcglobal.net writes rm in my experience most of this underground piping all in ca do not go to any gas station. they go to terminals where the fleet of tanker trucks go pick up their 4-8k gal load and deliver from there. correct.... and subsequently drive less than 200 miles to deliver. isnt that what i said by golly rm that is exactly what you said. my apologies although probably misspelled are headed your way. -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : mike simmons

i didnt even go to the sites that you indicated. you say that it is a low margin for profits. oil companies and all big business hire scores of accountants and they can find ways to manipulate income expenses and hundreds of write offs that can show almost anything that they want to show. there are laws that supposedly prevent companies setting prices. i will admit that the major oil companies dont hold meetings and discuss what they are going to charge for fuel but anyone with an iq above 50 can see that when one oil company raises prices all of the others follow almost immediately. there is a gentlemans agreement that they work under and it assures that there are no rogue companies that rock the boat. the majors have run all independents out of business and have everyone at their mercy. they love it when opec cuts production. is is an excuse to raise prices immediately and make great profits on oil that was bought at the lower prices. when the crisis is over they will lower the prices very slowly and in the end the price will be above what it was before the crisis. they are in business to make as much money as possible and they will do anything to achive this. just sit back and enjoy the rape because there is nothing you can do about it. all of the politicians have been bought and nothing is going to change. dddd bullshit! mike well i was just being a sarcastic smartass but i am sure i can find some info that is a little more accurate then just saying its a big margin. i i wasnt trying to be a smartass but i have heard from reliable sources that these record profits while indeed record profits still represent a fairly low margin for oil companies. but alas i have not been able to find anything on that thus do not know how accurate that claim is. but i would need more that someone screaming record profits and big margin before i believe anything. this link you provided is interesting http//moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/p82771.asp which led me to this story http//slate.msn.com/id/2100546/ if anything this story reinforces my earlier argument w/boner that gasoline retailers *are not* profiteering from gasoline. a lot of people are trying to assign blame to one thing or another for todays gasoline prices yet after hearing weeks of debate on this topic i really believe there is a combination of things that have come together at this time which resulted in the price hike. no one thing is to blame. first of course is opec cutting down on production. we all know about supply and demand. the demand for oil keeps going up and the supply is reduced. boom! price goes up. but i dont think this is the first time weve seen $40 oil. if memory serves me oil hit $40 at the peak of the energy crisis of the 1970s from the usual $17 - $20 or so. gas certainly did not cost $2.00 per gallon during the 70s so there must be something else at play here. one of those would be chinas increased demand on the world market. one number i have heard not substantiated by me is that chinas oil consumption has gone up by 33% in recent years. whatever the figure is most experts i have heard agree that chinas consumption has increased dramatically. thats over 1 billion people folks. another major reason that doesnt get a lot of media play is refining capacity in the u.s. when did the last new refinery go online in the u.s. i have heard both 1970 and 1976. either way that is roughly 30 years ago! i think we can safely assume that our consumption has gone up in 30 years but our capacity to produce gasoline over that time may have actually *gone down* due to old pollution-producing refineries going offline. some have even gone so far as to say we dont have an *oil* shortage here we have a *gasoline* shortage. then there is government regulations requiring special blends of gasoline to be sold in certain areas of the country. these boutique blends increase the cost of gasoline production. as it was explained to me for example if there was a shortage of gasoline in pittsburgh they couldnt just send over a bunch of excess gasoline from chicago because that would be a different blend. all of these things plus probably more have combined to put us in the situation we are in. of course it has been widely reported that gasoline today adjusted for inflation is actually *cheaper* today than it was in the late 1970s. thats probably true. $2.00/gallon gasoline probably wouldnt be a problem today if it had slowly risen to that over the past 30 years instead of suddenly jumping like it did. after all we dont seem to balk at $150000 houses today even though in 1971 my parents bought one damn nice house for $26000. of course five years ago that house would have cost $140000 not $35.000. .

From : msyjsy

sometimes i think that cost per mile driven is actually less of hardship than it was in the seventies -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington *cbhvac* stephen@screweduponpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote in we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. bingo. back in the 80s when i was in germany it was over $4 for a litre of fuel. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 15 may 2004 081449 -0400 *cbhvac* stephen@screweduponpurpose@carolinabreezehvac.com wrote as far as the economy being effected it will but like anything else adjustments will happen and $2 a gallon fuel is a reality that is here to stay. it is real simple if you cant afford to drive it park it. $65 for a fill up isnt bad wont break me and if i really want to look at it in a positive light its cheaper than an hour of my time so all i have to do to have enough fuel for a week in one van is simple...work 3 hours and the fuel is paid for. $2.00 per gallon is starting to look cheap. price of regular here in waterloo ontario went over $0.96 per liter this week. at 3.78 liters per american gallon and $0.74 us per american dollar thats abuot 2.72 us per american gallon of 93 octane. $3.67 canadian per american gallon and $4.60 canadian per canadian gallon. fillup on the trans sport or new yorker is $69 canadian. seems like only yesterday we ran into the problem of the price of a gallon hitting the 99.9 cent point on the old mechanical pumps. premium was over $1.07 canadian per liter this week. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 15 may 2004 150414 gmt msyjsy abc@123.com wrote we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. i pumped hundreds of thousands of gallons of gasoline in the late sixties/early seventies at an average price of around $0.469 per canadian gallon. price wars occaisionally drove it down to the $0.03 range by 1985 we were over the magic dollar per gallon consistantly. in 1972 as a licenced mechanic i made $5.00 per gallon and a house cost about $27000. in 19 84 we paid $63900 for an 8 year old house. built for $28000 or less today the house is worth something approaching $250000. so between 1972 and 2004 the house went up by a factor of roughly 10. gasoline has pretty well kept pace with this weeks tuesday price at $0.96 per liter $4.38 per gallon. cars cost roughly 10 times what they did in 1972 a new ambassador wagon was $2800 - and the average wage has not begun to keep up - id need to make $50 per hour to have the same buying power when it comes to houses cars and gas. about half that is more like it. and i have 32 years more experience. .

From : msyjsy

-- from the desk of jesse a. harrington on sat 15 may 2004 150414 gmt msyjsy abc@123.com wrote we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. i pumped hundreds of thousands of gallons of gasoline in the late sixties/early seventies at an average price of around $0.469 per canadian gallon. price wars occaisionally drove it down to the $0.03 range by 1985 we were over the magic dollar per gallon consistantly. in 1972 as a licenced mechanic i made $5.00 per gallon and a house cost about $27000. in 19 84 we paid $63900 for an 8 year old house. built for $28000 or less today the house is worth something approaching $250000. so between 1972 and 2004 the house went up by a factor of roughly 10. gasoline has pretty well kept pace with this weeks tuesday price at $0.96 per liter $4.38 per gallon. cars cost roughly 10 times what they did in 1972 a new ambassador wagon was $2800 - and the average wage has not begun to keep up - id need to make $50 per hour to have the same buying power when it comes to houses cars and gas. about half that is more like it. and i have 32 years more experience. .

From : msyjsy

i dont remember exactly what a gallon was going for in usa in mid seventies but will guess it had to be well over $0.50. it is only around 5x that now. minimum wage has gone up here in oregon well more than 5x. i wont even go into inflation home values various taxes that have increased including fuel. true a vehicles price has gone up 10x but that same comparables fuel mileage is at least 3x better. and when you consider the tax on fuel helping to keep our highways in shape to handle the increased traffic and providing more efficient routes to longer destinations i do not even have to do the math other burdens may have increased but i do not believe that the price per mile driven is one of them. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington on sat 15 may 2004 150414 gmt msyjsy abc@123.com wrote we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. i pumped hundreds of thousands of gallons of gasoline in the late sixties/early seventies at an average price of around $0.469 per canadian gallon. price wars occaisionally drove it down to the $0.03 range by 1985 we were over the magic dollar per gallon consistantly. in 1972 as a licenced mechanic i made $5.00 per gallon and a house cost about $27000. in 19 84 we paid $63900 for an 8 year old house. built for $28000 or less today the house is worth something approaching $250000. so between 1972 and 2004 the house went up by a factor of roughly 10. gasoline has pretty well kept pace with this weeks tuesday price at $0.96 per liter $4.38 per gallon. cars cost roughly 10 times what they did in 1972 a new ambassador wagon was $2800 - and the average wage has not begun to keep up - id need to make $50 per hour to have the same buying power when it comes to houses cars and gas. about half that is more like it. and i have 32 years more experience. .

From : johnnyd

the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : msyjsy

and we are the ones who have demanded our supply so does it not make sense that you should pay for what you have made yourself so accustomed to. if you dont like the gas prices then get on your bike and head the fuck down to starbuucks -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : curmudgeon

a report friday on npr/nightly business report indicated that many analysts believe - and can prove - that much of the increase in gas prices is totally unjustified by supply/ demand factors and is in large part due to speculation/futures gambling. they indicated that many of the players in the energy speculations of the 90s and early 2000s have moved from enron/electricity and into fuels. they bid up the future per barrel prices then dump and run. remember the california energy crisis youre seeing more of the same this time in gasoline. we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : nosey

johnnyd wrote the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. we can retire our gas guzzlers in favor of more economical transportation but for people to be convinced to sell their $30000+ vehicles in favor of an economy car it will take a long time at increased fuel prices. short term spikes in fuel pricing will not convince the country to use much less fuel.if this fuel pricing trend continues you will see people using less fuel. i certainly have not changed my driving habits yet. i can still afford to pay for fuel. do i whine about paying much more for the same product than i did last month you bet. .

From : trey

the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. buying the giant suvs is not exactly a statement against high gas prices. i did my part i have a motorcycle i ride everywhere now. even with the gas hike. my gas bill is one forth of what it used to be. all these protests going around boycott exxon moble or the dont buy gas on this day do not work. what we need to do is swallow a little pride and buy a smaller car. to be quite honest a honda accord can pick up the kids from school just as well as a durango or ford excursion. sure you wont be as cool to the other parents who drive their suvs but do you really care what they think are you so insecure that you have to drive the latest trendy ride when you start bitching about how much it costs to fill up just remember who bought that hawg. yes there are some that actually need a big truck or suv. shoot i really dont know what else out there can get 30 sheets of sheet rock from home depot or pull a boat. however do you need a 3/4 ton pickup with a 6 liter v8 to cart the kids to hockey practice yeah you really need that 300hp on tap when parked in traffic huh .

From : ss

the nail hit on the head! these futures speculators keep quoting terrorism fears as the reason to bid up the price. that and the fact that the dollar is very weak overseas right now. its an ugly 1-2 punch. on mon 17 may 2004 094346 -0400 curmudgeon gary@nospam.com wrote a report friday on npr/nightly business report indicated that many analysts believe - and can prove - that much of the increase in gas prices is totally unjustified by supply/ demand factors and is in large part due to speculation/futures gambling. they indicated that many of the players in the energy speculations of the 90s and early 2000s have moved from enron/electricity and into fuels. they bid up the future per barrel prices then dump and run. remember the california energy crisis youre seeing more of the same this time in gasoline. we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : sean prinz

hey all...new to group. just bought an 04 1500 quad cab. if in fact everyone is correct so far in their statements......then why are the gas companies raking in record profits it has nothing to do with the price of a barrel of oil anymore or the expensive additives due to federal and state regulations. this is the good old gas companies sticking it to us however they are keeping my mutual funds profitable when all else is dropping. just another opinion. sean the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. buying the giant suvs is not exactly a statement against high gas prices. i did my part i have a motorcycle i ride everywhere now. even with the gas hike. my gas bill is one forth of what it used to be. all these protests going around boycott exxon moble or the dont buy gas on this day do not work. what we need to do is swallow a little pride and buy a smaller car. to be quite honest a honda accord can pick up the kids from school just as well as a durango or ford excursion. sure you wont be as cool to the other parents who drive their suvs but do you really care what they think are you so insecure that you have to drive the latest trendy ride when you start bitching about how much it costs to fill up just remember who bought that hawg. yes there are some that actually need a big truck or suv. shoot i really dont know what else out there can get 30 sheets of sheet rock from home depot or pull a boat. however do you need a 3/4 ton pickup with a 6 liter v8 to cart the kids to hockey practice yeah you really need that 300hp on tap when parked in traffic huh .

From : rm

maybe staying home will give them time to learn how to use their caps key and how to spell losing. what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : trey

hey all...new to group. just bought an 04 1500 quad cab. if in fact everyone is correct so far in their statements......then why are the gas companies raking in record profits it has nothing to do with the price of a barrel of oil anymore or the expensive additives due to federal and state regulations. this is the good old gas companies sticking it to us however they are keeping my mutual funds profitable when all else is dropping. just another opinion. sean true. i am still giving the gas companies just as much money as before but now most of it is in the form of stocks and not cash for gas. barrel price gas company price hikes. i dont care. i pay more at the pump i buy less. .

From : johnnyd

what lauguage...tsktsk and we are the ones who have demanded our supply so does it not make sense that you should pay for what you have made yourself so accustomed to. if you dont like the gas prices then get on your bike and head the fuck down to starbuucks -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington the reason we are paying less than most of the civilized worldas you said is because the rest of the civilized world oil pump prices are made up of mostly taxes ! which pays for their universal health care system. which does not work ...remember hillary clintons brain storm what do you mean whining do you suggest we just sit back and take it or maybe we should have a flower power meeting ...remember the high coffee prices of the 1980 s we complained and acted. we switched to tea or just stopped consuming it. guess what prices dropped back !!!! thats not whining. that is supply and demand. we in a america just dont seem to cope well with the sudden hike in the prices. how much was gas in the mid seventies when you compare it to the prices we have now and you factor in the declining value of the dollar the increase in wages the much improved mileage of newer vehicles and the fact that we are paying less than most of the civilized world!!! i think most of our whining is not justified. -- from the desk of jesse a. harrington what kind of an effect will occur with gas prices being so high i have seen and know alot of peole that would rather just stay at home instead of going out. will high gas prices start a chain reaction in which people just dont go places and businesses start loosing money. i guess high gas prices will effect the economy in the long run. express your opinion. now a days i see lesser traffic in the roads. .

From : trey

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From : paul jensen

hey all...new to group. just bought an 04 1500 quad cab. if in fact everyone is correct so far in their statements......then why are the gas companies raking in record profits what are the margins on these record profits .

From : mike simmons

what are the margins on these record profits big!! yeah i researched for that answer myself! or did you want an actual number ;- yup! id like to see the actual number! mike .

From : paul jensen

synthetic oil does nothing to increase longevity that changing dino oil every 3-5000 miles wont do. its primary claim to fame is its reaction to extreme temperatures pulling a motor home thru the sahara for example. but if you insist on paying 3-5 times as much for your synth oil go right ahead. us mobil shareholders love guys who do. hello i just picked up a 1996 dodge ram 2500 and because its 8 years old and i really like this truck i want to take good care of it. i want to change all if possible of the fluids to synthetic. i picked up a haynes book to help me. ive worked on cars and jeeps before but this is my first truck. so what do you recommend along the lines of synthetic fluids for the transfer case differentials oil should i worry about a engine leaks and whatever else you can think of. looks like i need a grease gun also just like my old jeep for some of the joints. also any coolant recommendations the engine right now is running about 210 is that normal im in the northern virginia i was thinking of running 60 water / 40 coolant to help keep the engine cool. the trucks transmission is less than a year old so im not going to completely change with the tranny fluid yet. but if you have any advice for taking care of the tranny. im listening ! and what about mixing automatic transmission fluids i was thinking of draining some tranny fluid out about 4 quarts at a time and putting synthetic in every few months for added protection. i know its probably an old truck to many of you but i think its so cool looking. so i hope you dont think im crazy for wanting to take good care of it. thanks again. .

From : miles

went for the 60k service today and they said that the fan clutch was about to go out the dealer wanted $300 parts & labor to replace it and of course its an excluded item on our extended warranty... %##^^# is this a mopar only part or are there aftermarket ones available i dont wrench much any more but ive changed lots of ferd fan clutches in our cougars.. any suggestions sources etc. appreciated.. except from rascally red of course mac .

From : miles

theguy wrote no big red now all the experts have weighed in. oh by the way great advise big red. yes sir the drag races and consumer reports. man you are one dialed in son of a bitch. those are certainly excellent choices to determine the worthiness of an oil filter for an every day driving car. now why does it not surprise me that you are a consumer report guy you probably subscribe dont you not to mention that racers support their hobby/career with corporate sponsership without which they would not have a car to drive. think k&n and fram help sponser a few cars on the track .

From : Annonymous

went for the 60k service today and they said that the fan clutch was about to go out why doncha check and make sure its needed first. with the engine off try wiggleing the fan side to side and see if there is any play in it. there might be the very slightest of wiggle but there shouldnt be much. then start the motor up and leave it idle with the a/c on. it may take 15-20 minutes but you will know when the clutch engages by the roaring noise from the fan. if your temp guage is just a needle or two higher than where it normally runs when the fan engages youre ok. not really you but the truck. g the dealer wanted $300 parts & labor to replace it and of course its an excluded item on our extended warranty... %##^^# i know the part is a little pricy but the labor shouldnt have been over about .5-.7 hr. is this a mopar only part or are there aftermarket ones available aftermarkets are available so are wrecking yard ones. they dont fail all that often so i would think a used one would be ok. i dont wrench much any more but ive changed lots of ferd fan clutches in our cougars.. i think its a 1 1/4 wrench and left hand threads and im sure somebody will tell me if im wrong on that. g have fun denny any suggestions sources etc. appreciated.. except from rascally red of course mac .

From : paul jensen

paul jensen wrote what are the margins on these record profits he said gas companies. not sure what was meant by that though. most of the profits here in the usa seem to be by the distributors and not the gas stations nor the refiners. good point. and consistant with other things i have heard. .

From : Annonymous

fmbb@sbcglobal.net writes rm in my experience most of this underground piping all in ca do not go to any gas station. they go to terminals where the fleet of tanker trucks go pick up their 4-8k gal load and deliver from there. correct.... and subsequently drive less than 200 miles to deliver. isnt that what i said .

From : fmb

snip transportation costs are federally regulated and also do not fluctuate. contrary to popular belief ignorance most gasoline is distributed throught the country via a huge network of underground pipelines. the tanker trucks you see making deliveries to the stations have usually travelled less than 200 miles to get there. snip rm in my experience most of this underground piping all in ca do not go to any gas station. they go to terminals where the fleet of tanker trucks go pick up their 4-8k gal load and deliver from there. -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : paul jensen

well i was just being a sarcastic smartass but i am sure i can find some info that is a little more accurate then just saying its a big margin. i i wasnt trying to be a smartass but i have heard from reliable sources that these record profits while indeed record profits still represent a fairly low margin for oil companies. but alas i have not been able to find anything on that thus do not know how accurate that claim is. but i would need more that someone screaming record profits and big margin before i believe anything. this link you provided is interesting http//moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/p82771.asp which led me to this story http//slate.msn.com/id/2100546/ if anything this story reinforces my earlier argument w/boner that gasoline retailers *are not* profiteering from gasoline. a lot of people are trying to assign blame to one thing or another for todays gasoline prices yet after hearing weeks of debate on this topic i really believe there is a combination of things that have come together at this time which resulted in the price hike. no one thing is to blame. first of course is opec cutting down on production. we all know about supply and demand. the demand for oil keeps going up and the supply is reduced. boom! price goes up. but i dont think this is the first time weve seen $40 oil. if memory serves me oil hit $40 at the peak of the energy crisis of the 1970s from the usual $17 - $20 or so. gas certainly did not cost $2.00 per gallon during the 70s so there must be something else at play here. one of those would be chinas increased demand on the world market. one number i have heard not substantiated by me is that chinas oil consumption has gone up by 33% in recent years. whatever the figure is most experts i have heard agree that chinas consumption has increased dramatically. thats over 1 billion people folks. another major reason that doesnt get a lot of media play is refining capacity in the u.s. when did the last new refinery go online in the u.s. i have heard both 1970 and 1976. either way that is roughly 30 years ago! i think we can safely assume that our consumption has gone up in 30 years but our capacity to produce gasoline over that time may have actually *gone down* due to old pollution-producing refineries going offline. some have even gone so far as to say we dont have an *oil* shortage here we have a *gasoline* shortage. then there is government regulations requiring special blends of gasoline to be sold in certain areas of the country. these boutique blends increase the cost of gasoline production. as it was explained to me for example if there was a shortage of gasoline in pittsburgh they couldnt just send over a bunch of excess gasoline from chicago because that would be a different blend. all of these things plus probably more have combined to put us in the situation we are in. of course it has been widely reported that gasoline today adjusted for inflation is actually *cheaper* today than it was in the late 1970s. thats probably true. $2.00/gallon gasoline probably wouldnt be a problem today if it had slowly risen to that over the past 30 years instead of suddenly jumping like it did. after all we dont seem to balk at $150000 houses today even though in 1971 my parents bought one damn nice house for $26000. of course five years ago that house would have cost $140000 not $35.000. .

From : dddd

i didnt even go to the sites that you indicated. you say that it is a low margin for profits. oil companies and all big business hire scores of accountants and they can find ways to manipulate income expenses and hundreds of write offs that can show almost anything that they want to show. there are laws that supposedly prevent companies setting prices. i will admit that the major oil companies dont hold meetings and discuss what they are going to charge for fuel but anyone with an iq above 50 can see that when one oil company raises prices all of the others follow almost immediately. there is a gentlemans agreement that they work under and it assures that there are no rogue companies that rock the boat. the majors have run all independents out of business and have everyone at their mercy. they love it when opec cuts production. is is an excuse to raise prices immediately and make great profits on oil that was bought at the lower prices. when the crisis is over they will lower the prices very slowly and in the end the price will be above what it was before the crisis. they are in business to make as much money as possible and they will do anything to achive this. just sit back and enjoy the rape because there is nothing you can do about it. all of the politicians have been bought and nothing is going to change. dddd well i was just being a sarcastic smartass but i am sure i can find some info that is a little more accurate then just saying its a big margin. i i wasnt trying to be a smartass but i have heard from reliable sources that these record profits while indeed record profits still represent a fairly low margin for oil companies. but alas i have not been able to find anything on that thus do not know how accurate that claim is. but i would need more that someone screaming record profits and big margin before i believe anything. this link you provided is interesting http//moneycentral.msn.com/content/invest/extra/p82771.asp which led me to this story http//slate.msn.com/id/2100546/ if anything this story reinforces my earlier argument w/boner that gasoline retailers *are not* profiteering from gasoline. a lot of people are trying to assign blame to one thing or another for todays gasoline prices yet after hearing weeks of debate on this topic i really believe there is a combination of things that have come together at this time which resulted in the price hike. no one thing is to blame. first of course is opec cutting down on production. we all know about supply and demand. the demand for oil keeps going up and the supply is reduced. boom! price goes up. but i dont think this is the first time weve seen $40 oil. if memory serves me oil hit $40 at the peak of the energy crisis of the 1970s from the usual $17 - $20 or so. gas certainly did not cost $2.00 per gallon during the 70s so there must be something else at play here. one of those would be chinas increased demand on the world market. one number i have heard not substantiated by me is that chinas oil consumption has gone up by 33% in recent years. whatever the figure is most experts i have heard agree that chinas consumption has increased dramatically. thats over 1 billion people folks. another major reason that doesnt get a lot of media play is refining capacity in the u.s. when did the last new refinery go online in the u.s. i have heard both 1970 and 1976. either way that is roughly 30 years ago! i think we can safely assume that our consumption has gone up in 30 years but our capacity to produce gasoline over that time may have actually *gone down* due to old pollution-producing refineries going offline. some have even gone so far as to say we dont have an *oil* shortage here we have a *gasoline* shortage. then there is government regulations requiring special blends of gasoline to be sold in certain areas of the country. these boutique blends increase the cost of gasoline production. as it was explained to me for example if there was a shortage of gasoline in pittsburgh they couldnt just send over a bunch of excess gasoline from chicago because that would be a different blend. all of these things plus probably more have combined to put us in the situation we are in. of course it has been widely reported that gasoline today adjusted for inflation is actually *cheaper* today than it was in the late 1970s. thats probably true. $2.00/gallon gasoline probably wouldnt be a problem today if it had slowly risen to that over the past 30 years instead of suddenly jumping like it did. after all we dont seem to balk at $150000 houses today even though in 1971 my parents bought one damn nice house for $26000. of course five years ago that house would have cost $140000 not $35.000. .

From : milesh

ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote transportation costs are federally regulated and also do not fluctuate. contrary to popular belief ignorance most gasoline is distributed throught the country via a huge network of underground pipelines. the tanker trucks you see making deliveries to the stations have usually travelled less than 200 miles to get there. this is true. however in arizona there is only one company that runs the pipelines that come from california and texas. the trucks distribute it from the pipeline stations in tucson or phoenix to the rest of the state. no matter if a station is oil company owned or privately owned the trucks must get their gas from the same pipeline company. earlier this year one of the pipelines burst shutting it down. when that happened prices at the pumps skyrocketed. the stations were not the ones that made the profits from increased pump prices. the pipeline owner and the truckers were regulations or not. .

From : nosey

milesh wrote ramman@dodgecity.cc wrote transportation costs are federally regulated and also do not fluctuate. contrary to popular belief ignorance most gasoline is distributed throught the country via a huge network of underground pipelines. the tanker trucks you see making deliveries to the stations have usually travelled less than 200 miles to get there. this is true. however in arizona there is only one company that runs the pipelines that come from california and texas. the trucks distribute it from the pipeline stations in tucson or phoenix to the rest of the state. no matter if a station is oil company owned or privately owned the trucks must get their gas from the same pipeline company. earlier this year one of the pipelines burst shutting it down. when that happened prices at the pumps skyrocketed. the stations were not the ones that made the profits from increased pump prices. the pipeline owner and the truckers were regulations or not. why do you think the truckers were making any money from this i doubt they were being paid a higher rate. .

From : trey

he a lives in the same city b hauls a lot of gear so it wont all fit in an econo box c will not lie. and d demanded a company car if he is doing that much driving during work for work. also remember gas here in ca was up to and over $2.30/gal in many places lately. he needs to a move to the state his job is in b buy a more economical car c quit lying to his coworkers trey wrote my coworkers gas bill for last month was $450. i think he might want to try to find some good deals on gas. that was just for his car. tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses they generally do not use grocery store coupons nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. .

From : tbonemike simmons

ok so its a stretch. i have heard that many times i am just wondering how true it is..... if you look at it locically it will happen. but who knows. its not a stretch its a known fact that cylinders go out of round. while true it has nothing to do with gravity and if you believe so max then you know even less than i thought you did. as to who knows anyone who has built an engine and checked the cylinders properly knows. but do you know why it happens from what i am reading i doubt it. you are on the money dont let terra bullshit you into thinking otherwise. this is incorrect. the angle of the cylinder has little to nothing to do with the reason for them going out fo round. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mike simmons

tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses they generally do not use grocery store coupons nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. bingo!! you have hit the nail square on the head! it never ceases to amaze me how apparently sane folks can go bonkers over gas prices. i recall not long ago hearing a young couple leaving a local quiktrip bitching about gas costing $1.69 per gallon yet in their hands were bottles of trendy! bottled water that sold for somewhere north of .89 for 12 ounces of h2o. a little mathematizing sez that the bottled water which they didnt think twice about buying works out to about $9.50 per gallon. now think about it..... that water probably came from a tap in another city was run through some filtration and maybe had a few extra minerals thrown in for flavor. contrast that with gasoline which has to be found has to be drilled for has to be pumped out of the ground has to be shipped to a refinery has to be refined has to have additives put in based upon the intended market has to be shipped to that same market and finally has to be dispensed by an expensive pump. all this for $1.69 a gallon! whats wrong with this picture hmmmmm mike .

From : cbhvac

my bike holds four gallons... a 30-60 minute wait to save 60 cents no thanks. another question. while waiting in that 30-60 minute line are they just sitting in their car with the engine running if so they just burned enough gas waiting to make up for any price savings. prob..lol.. i dunno....if i take 5 vans that hold over 30 gallons down....nah...its still not worth is since we dont really pay for a drop of fuel we use and we can use as much as $400 a week in fuel....customer pays for everything....and its not that bad...just nice to see cheaper prices anyway. wifes out in ca..grandparents now... anyway..she called to tell me that in sandiego it was 2.75 and in palm springs it was 2.45...wild.. .

From : tanner meltontbone

i should have taken you up on that wager. its not the catalytic converter. i took the truck into midas today and they checked the flow on both sides of it and told me it wasnt plugged. i was surprised but happy because they didnt even charge me for this. i think that the timing adjustment is what took my power. the power loss was definitely a direct result of the work done to get it to pass emissions and all they did was replace a vacuum line though i looked and could not find a new looking one and timed it. the truck passed emissions today so i am free to time it how i want now. ill let you know how that goes. thanks for the responses. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses perhaps because they have the greatest influence on their lives. they generally do not use grocery store coupons and you know this how every time that i go to the store the people in front of me have them. i tend not to use them because i cant find them for the products that i buy. nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. because that clearly falls within the realm of the time = money argument. it can add hours to your grocery shopping time and while shopping that is all that you can do. to do that and if the result doesnt equal a savings worth the time spent you are actually wasting your time and money. i however will go to the store that offers the most items that i want at the lowest overall cost even though it may not be the closest store to my house. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. giving up is the key issue. if you are just using idle time in the gas line listening to the radio or reading the paper then you are giving up nothing just changing the location of an activity that you would be doing anyway. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. that is not always true and gas prices are the easiest to do and have the most effect on many peoples lives especially with the gas sucking pigs that so many americans now own. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. but it is the easiest to control to some degree with minimal impact on your life style. saving natural gas or heating oil or electricity requires changes to a persons or families lifestyle that many are unwilling to deal with and that is also a sad thing but a completely different subject. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : paul jensen

there are laws that supposedly prevent companies setting prices. i will admit that the major oil companies dont hold meetings and discuss what they are going to charge for fuel but anyone with an iq above 50 can see that when one oil company raises prices all of the others follow almost immediately. there is a gentlemans agreement that they work under and it assures that there are no rogue companies that rock the boat. the problem with this theory is that it only takes 1 in an area to blow this so-called gentlemans agreement to smitherenes. while it is true that most independents have been driven out of business not all of them have. and it only takes one to start a price war. if you had bothered to read the stories on the links you would know that retail margins on gasoline last year for convenience stores was at a nearly 10 year low. gasoline is an extremely competitive business and if someone could gain an advantage by dropping a few cents without losing their shirt they would. another factor not considered in your theory is minimum markup laws which appearantly are in more states than most people realize. i live in florida and it was only recently in the that florida has a minumum price for gas. so when everyone is charging the same price it is often because state law does not allow for it to be any lower. i have lived here since 1988 and did not realize florida was one of these idiot states until a few weeks ago. my father was a business owner in wisconsin from 1947-1985 and they had a minimum markup law for everything. .

From : miles

tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses they generally do not use grocery store coupons nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. .

From : tbone

ooops forgot the first paragraph. tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then that completely depends on what else i would be doing at the time. nothing it would appear. then your assumptions would be wrong. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon probably not but if the line were that long i would either come back later or go to another station that had a similar price. i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. if there is no line at the other and the pumps are also sitting idle then the few people that choose or cannot afford to wait have no real effect on the pricing. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. that would be up to you and your principles. i would probably just come back another time or go to another inexpensive station. i see no point in rewarding a station for fking me. perhaps you might see the higher price as a cost of the faster service. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. that would depend on how little business the more expensive station is doing. if the more expensive station always has cars at its pumps even if there is no line what reason do they have to lower their prices. the lower priced station however would have many reasons to raise their prices in this situation. if the higher priced station is sitting empty most of the time then the lower priced station has no reason to raise them but people that think like you do will prevent that from happening. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses perhaps because they have the greatest influence on their lives. they generally do not use grocery store coupons and you know this how every time that i go to the store the people in front of me have them. i tend not to use them because i cant find them for the products that i buy. nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. because that clearly falls within the realm of the time = money argument. it can add hours to your grocery shopping time and while shopping that is all that you can do. to do that and if the result doesnt equal a savings worth the time spent you are actually wasting your time and money. i however will go to the store that offers the most items that i want at the lowest overall cost even though it may not be the closest store to my house. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. giving up is the key issue. if you are just using idle time in the gas line listening to the radio or reading the paper then you are giving up nothing just changing the location of an activity that you would be doing anyway. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. that is not always true and gas prices are the easiest to do and have the most effect on many peoples lives especially with the gas sucking pigs that so many americans now own. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. but it is the easiest to control to some degree with minimal impact on your life style. saving natural gas or heating oil or electricity requires changes to a persons or families lifestyle that many are unwilling to deal with and that is also a sad thing but a completely different subject. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : cbhvac

miles wrote tbone wrote there are better things to do with my time than sit in my car for 3 hours. if all i am doing is sitting and reading the paper or listening to the stereo id rather be at home. $9 to sit in my car is not my idea of a good value for my time. agreed. and are they idling the vehicle for 3 hours shutting down and restarting numerous times thats dumb. i would think that 3 hours was a bit of an exaggeration but even still your argument holds no water. no..it was what was reported and they showed police out directing traffic it was that bad. charlottes a decent sized town.....i have been there just picking parts up went to get fuel and waited over 15 minutes.....so..3 hours...very possible. like everyone else has stated you wont save that much but its the thought of cheap gas again that makes some people go ga ga..me included but when you spend as much a week as we do its nice to see a $25 full tank. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max340miles

i think i blew it. longer rods would make the problem worse all else being equal. nope. longer rods would decrease the number of degrees off center that the rod travelled relative to the piston. lower number of degrees less side angle forces less cylinder wear and friction loss. length of stroke affects this but is can be countered by a longer rod. when increasing throw rod angle interferes with the cylinder. longer rods assume smaller angles. it seemed to make sense but swinging the top of the long rod out just makes interference worse even though the angle decreases. the top small end end of the rod doesnt swing anywhere. the crank throw or stroke only affects where the large end of the rod travels in the block and it wont matter how long or short the rod is if the big end doesnt have clearance. length of rod directly affects the side loading of the piston. rod length also has an effect on torque output of the engine design but is not the only factor in torque output. max spam filters why purify an undesired substance .

From : miles

tbone wrote that would depend on how little business the more expensive station is doing. if the more expensive station always has cars at its pumps even if there is no line what reason do they have to lower their prices. the lower priced station however would have many reasons to raise their prices in this situation. if the higher priced station is sitting empty most of the time then the lower priced station has no reason to raise them but people that think like you do will prevent that from happening. no reason yes they do. they have a long line of cars waiting to buy gas. high demand will easily cause prices to go up. the higher priced empty stations will lower their price to attract business. .

From : miles

tbone wrote giving up is the key issue. if you are just using idle time in the gas line listening to the radio or reading the paper then you are giving up nothing just changing the location of an activity that you would be doing anyway. not true. i can relax far more comforably at home than in a line at a gas station. i can be drinking a beer or sipping a glass of wine while listening to the radio or reading the paper. heck with your logic we all might as well just live out of our car. sleep eat etc. just a different location. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. that is not always true and gas prices are the easiest to do bingo...easiest to do. most visible. most cost effective though not hardly. there are too many other living expenses that far exceed average gas bills. the time spent in those gas lines could be used to cut bigger expenses. however those items might take a bit of thinking. and have the most effect on many peoples lives especially with the gas sucking pigs that so many americans now own. name a vehicle that can seat 6 people comfortably and tow 8000lbs with ease and get excellent mileage. for what my gas sucking pig can do it is economical and serves its purpose well. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. but it is the easiest to control to some degree with minimal impact on your life style. saving natural gas or heating oil or electricity requires changes to a persons or families lifestyle that many are unwilling to deal with and that is also a sad thing but a completely different subject. translation people are either too lazy or just not financially capable of figuring ways to save money except to wait in gas lines. .

From : trey

bingo!! you have hit the nail square on the head! it never ceases to amaze me how apparently sane folks can go bonkers over gas prices. i recall not long ago hearing a young couple leaving a local quiktrip bitching about gas costing $1.69 per gallon yet in their hands were bottles of trendy! bottled water that sold for somewhere north of .89 for 12 ounces of h2o. no they complain about the gas prices then they go to starbucks and get a $6 cup of coffee and a $2 coffee cake. ;- a little mathematizing sez that the bottled water which they didnt think twice about buying works out to about $9.50 per gallon. now think about it..... that water probably came from a tap in another city was run through some filtration and maybe had a few extra minerals thrown in for flavor. contrast that with gasoline which has to be found has to be drilled for has to be pumped out of the ground has to be shipped to a refinery has to be refined has to have additives put in based upon the intended market has to be shipped to that same market and finally has to be dispensed by an expensive pump. all this for $1.69 a gallon! how much crude does it take to make one gallon of gas how much for diesel just wondering are the addatives required i mean i know they ate government mandated but what exactly do they do our lawn mover sat for about two months once then it would not start we took it to the shop and they told us that the gas has gone bad. they told us that all the adatives in the gas now days tend to break down. how true is this does gas have a shelf life whats wrong with this picture hmmmmm mike .

From : mike simmons

bingo!! you have hit the nail square on the head! it never ceases to amaze me how apparently sane folks can go bonkers over gas prices. i recall not long ago hearing a young couple leaving a local quiktrip bitching about gas costing $1.69 per gallon yet in their hands were bottles of trendy! bottled water that sold for somewhere north of .89 for 12 ounces of h2o. no they complain about the gas prices then they go to starbucks and get a $6 cup of coffee and a $2 coffee cake. ;- a little mathematizing sez that the bottled water which they didnt think twice about buying works out to about $9.50 per gallon. now think about it..... that water probably came from a tap in another city was run through some filtration and maybe had a few extra minerals thrown in for flavor. contrast that with gasoline which has to be found has to be drilled for has to be pumped out of the ground has to be shipped to a refinery has to be refined has to have additives put in based upon the intended market has to be shipped to that same market and finally has to be dispensed by an expensive pump. all this for $1.69 a gallon! how much crude does it take to ma

From : tbone

tbone wrote that would depend on how little business the more expensive station is doing. if the more expensive station always has cars at its pumps even if there is no line what reason do they have to lower their prices. the lower priced station however would have many reasons to raise their prices in this situation. if the higher priced station is sitting empty most of the time then the lower priced station has no reason to raise them but people that think like you do will prevent that from happening. no reason yes they do. they have a long line of cars waiting to buy gas. high demand will easily cause prices to go up. only if the demand can be maintained while raising the price. if everyone goes to another station because of a price increase there is no motivation or reason to raise the price. the higher priced empty stations will lower their price to attract business. that is exactly what i was saying but if people like yourself keep going to the more expensive stations because they cant be bothered to wait in a line for a little while that need to lower prices is effectively eliminated by you and others like you. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone wrote only if the demand can be maintained while raising the price. if everyone goes to another station because of a price increase there is no motivation or reason to raise the price. people go to the higher priced stations because of the long lines at the lower ones. they would not do that if the lines were short. people are basically buying time and convienence. for many that is well worth the few pennies that others are willing to wait considerably for. its worth it to me. the higher priced empty stations will lower their price to attract business. that is exactly what i was saying but if people like yourself keep going to the more expensive stations because they cant be bothered to wait in a line for a little while that need to lower prices is effectively eliminated by you and others like you. this is where your theory fails. the only reason people go to the higher priced stations is because of the long lines at the lower priced ones. the higher priced ones have a lack of lines meaning less business. they certainly do have reason to lower prices. they see the station across the street swamped with business. what you continue to say is that a persons time has no value. for many of us we have lives other than sitting in a car breathing exhaust fumes. life is way too short to place no value on ones time. .

From : terratrey

max340 wrote thats a fair assessment although not always true. yes always. at any instant in time it will be true. sorry its not always true. sure it is. i simply made always apply to time rather than mass. like i said its a fair assessment but not always true. in saying yes always. you prove how little you know how much you need to learn and how much you need to lose that i know it all attitude. a fair assessment was what i intended. you should have left it there not butted in with your but not always.... so im playing the max game now twisting meanings around. if you want to argue about exceptions to general rules great. ill just argue that always meant at all times not in all cases. i said many cylinders and big bores make speed. not all i said many. the fact that many also dont doesnt make my statement untrue. likewise a few big cylinders make torque. not all of them make torque but a few do. then when i said although not always true i was correct because you are saying not all i said many. youre wrong. there are always many speedy cylinders. millions of them. and not all of them make torque but a few do. its always true. quite a few big cylinders make torque. millions of them are doing it right now. same with long strokes a few of them also make torque. so its not always true if a few do but not all. its *always* true. theres never a time when a few long stroke engines arent making plenty of torque. 2 the v or i choice is based largely on the results of of did i spell it wrong of. whats the problem of what did you forget the rest of the statement the rest of the statement is 1 the v or i choice is based largely on the results of 1. i was pointing out that 2 follows 1. not the other way around as your dogmatic adherence had you believing. .

From : trey

your knowledge never ceases to amaze me. why thank you! oh... you were talking to mike... sorry never mind - .

From : fmb

your knowledge never ceases to amaze me. fmb bingo!! you have hit the nail square on the head! it never ceases to amaze me how apparently sane folks can go bonkers over gas prices. i recall not long ago hearing a young couple leaving a local quiktrip bitching about gas costing $1.69 per gallon yet in their hands were bottles of trendy! bottled water that sold for somewhere north of .89 for 12 ounces of h2o. no they complain about the gas prices then they go to starbucks and get a $6 cup of coffee and a $2 coffee cake. ;- a little mathematizing sez that the bottled water which they didnt think twice about buying works out to about $9.50 per gallon. now think about it..... that water probably came from a tap in another city was run through some filtration and maybe had a few extra minerals thrown in for flavor. contrast that with gasoline which has to be found has to be drilled for has to be pumped out of the ground has to be shipped to a refinery has to be refined has to have additives put in based upon the intended market has to be shipped to that same market and finally has to be dispensed by an expensive pump. all this for $1.69 a gallon! how much crude does it take to make one gallon of gas how much for diesel just wondering are the addatives required i mean i know they ate government mandated but what exactly do they do our lawn mover sat for about two months once then it would not start we took it to the shop and they told us that the gas has gone bad. they told us that all the adatives in the gas now days tend to break down. how true is this does gas have a shelf life whats wrong with this picture hmmmmm mike trey youre right about starbucks... fergot about them. i almost bought a cup of starbucks at the airport once and the right before i order a cup my sanity returned and i walked away...... ^ the shelf life for untreated gasoline in a sealed container is about three months. i dont know if the modern additives are any better/worse that the ones used years ago. i don know that the antiknock additive tetraethyl lead was extremely stable but the feds put the kabosh to that. mostly the additives used in gasoline are detergents stabilizers and oxygenates mainly mtbe or alcohol. mtbe is quickly finding disfavor amongst the epa since any fuel that escapes can contaminate groundwater and mtbe is very hazardous. the amount of gasoline that is extracted from a barrel of crude varies with the season and the type of crude. virtually all the fractions of a barrel o crude are used in some way with little waste. the refinery can adjust the process to produce the fraction that is most in demand. for example in the winter months there is a greater demand for home heating oil so the refineries turn out more of this product. in the summer the demand for gasoline jumps while the home heating oil demand is almost non-existent so the refineries switch to more gasoline production. also some addtional steps are needed based upon the season the fuel is used in. thats why there is almost always a spike in fuel prices around labor day as the refineries switch over to the winter blend of gasoline and switch to more home heating oil to stock up for the winter. finally certain markets require certain specs for their fuel to meet epa requirements. thats why the phoenix area was screwed a few weeks ago when the only pipeline carrying their specific product failed. crudes are classified by their sweetness or absence of sulphur. west texas crude for example is a sweet crude will comparatively little sulphur while saudi crude is sour meaning it has a fairly high content of sulphur. since we are so dependent on mid-eastern oil and it is quite sour some extra steps are taken to remove the suplhur before sending it to market. hydrogen gas is injected during the refining process and the hydrogen combines with the sulphur forming hydrogen sulfide which is fairly easily extracted from the product. comparatively speaking diesel fuel is very much like home heating oil except that it has a couple of additives to boost the cetane rating and detergents to promote cleanliness of the inejctors and the excess sulphur is removed also. to give you an idea of how cheap our fuel really is the price of crude is based upon a 42 gallon barrel at the wellhead. so if a barrel of oil is selling at $30.00 a barrel the cost of the barrel is actually .71 per gallon. keep in mind all the steps necessary to convert that barrel of crude to a usable product and the profit margins necessary to keep the oil companies and retailers afloat plus the federal and state taxes added and you can see that our fuel is really a bargain! sorry for the dissertation but you asked! ^ mike .

From : trey

my bike holds four gallons... a 30-60 minute wait to save 60 cents no thanks. another question. while waiting in that 30-60 minute line are they just sitting in their car with the engine running if so they just burned enough gas waiting to make up for any price savings. cbhvac wrote well....a gas war started in charlotte...last night at midnight the reported that there was a 3 hour wait at 3 stations in the area and they showed the price.... $1.05 for reg.... i can deal with a 3 hour wait...lol lol...would have to be free for me to wait 3 hours. people seem to place more attention on saving $s on gas than on just about anything else even though for most gas is not that high on the list of top expenditures. when a station sells gas for 15 cents less than the station across the street lines of 30-60 minutes are common. lesse my tank holds 27 gallons. if my tank is bone dry i save about $4. ya thats worth an hour. .

From : trey

my coworkers gas bill for last month was $450. i think he might want to try to find some good deals on gas. that was just for his car. tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses they generally do not use grocery store coupons nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. .

From : guzzle

he needs to a move to the state his job is in b buy a more economical car c quit lying to his coworkers trey wrote my coworkers gas bill for last month was $450. i think he might want to try to find some good deals on gas. that was just for his car. tbone wrote well miles now dont get me wrong this is not an insult but its people like you that allow gas prices to go through the roof. the dealers know that many people couldnt be bothered with any inconvenience to save a few dollars so they have no problem raising their prices because they know that people like you will still come. it is only a matter of time before the cheaper stations see this and raise their prices to match. when that happens the expensive stations raise theirs a little more and the cycle continues. i go to the cheaper stations on principle as much as cost savings. i guess that you just have tons of disposable cash good for you. how much is your time worth then nothing it would appear. will you wait in a 25 minute line to save $.03 a gallon i see stations across the street from each other with that situation all the time. there will be a long line at the lower priced station and no line at the other. so i should wait 25 minutes or longer is there a limit for you to save what $.45 on my cars 15 gallon tank if its bone dry. your argument would suggest that the lower priced station will raise their price to match the higher one. possibly the higher priced one with a lack of business will lower their price to attract it. why do so many people place such a higher value on gas prices than just about all other living expenses they generally do not use grocery store coupons nor will they shop at 3 or 4 stores to save the most on their weekly grocery bill. i just fail to see why gas seems to be the biggest most important area that people will give up substantial amounts of their lives for pennies. they ignore other areas of their lives that will save them far more. gas when compared to other monthly bills is not anywheres near the top of the list of expensive bills. .

From : miles

trey wrote my coworkers gas bill for last month was $450. i think he might want to try to find some good deals on gas. that was just for his car. $450/month now thats a long commute...or a poorly running car. .

From : trey

what are the margins on these record profits big!! yeah i researched for that answer myself! or did you want an actual number ;- .