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From : gary carter

Q: i am getting ready to build a custom bumper for my 1996 ram and i am looking at replacing my factory fog lights with aftermarket units. currently im looking at cibie piaa and hella lights. ive budgeted $200 for the lights and a relay ill use the factory wiring up to the crossmember. i have decided on running clear fog light instead of yellow ones after reading many articles including the on at www.gi.alaska.edu/scienceforum/asf5/593.html any good suggestions gary carter .

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From : daniel j stern

on mon 21 jun 2004 rd wrote does anyone know where i can get the fog lights dash switch and all mounting hardware for a 95 1500 4x4 ex cab 5.9 this truck didnt come stock with the lights and now i would like to install them. answer depends on what you want to install. the factory-optional fog lamps are worthless their only value is cosmetic look i have foggy lites!. if thats your goal go get the lamps etc. from a wrecking yard or use www.car-part.com searchable used auto parts clear across north america. if you want lamps that actually help you see in rain/fog/snow etc. get a set of bosch compact 100s which fit the factory opening nicely and have very good performance. you can run em with factory switch/wiring or put in an overlay wiring harness such as a hella husa-87212. if youre trying to fill-in the black hole on the road left by the standard headlamps consider putting in a set of the 98-01 dodge ram sport headlamps which are vastly better. these are the clear-lens/optic-reflector lamps with two bulbs per side compared to the optic-lens lamps with one bulb per side found in the regular 94-01 rams. the lamps themselves can be found expensively through a dealer or less expensively via www.car-part.com ; dealers often claim the sport lamps cant be installed in a standard truck or cant be installed without a $600 wiring harness. forget that noise do a google search on rik-ram. -ds .

From : daniel j stern

on tue 22 jun 2004 gary carter wrote the cheap ones i have had experiance with were the old $15 yellow ones that to actually see any light from almost had to be pointed almost staight down. yeah...these have been replaced on the wal-mart and pep boys shelves and the pages of the jc witless catalogue by nasty little high-glare chinese-made pieces of trash... ds .

From : moparman

on mon 21 jun 2004 rd wrote does anyone know where i can get the fog lights dash switch and all mounting hardware for a 95 1500 4x4 ex cab 5.9 this truck didnt come stock with the lights and now i would like to install them. answer depends on what you want to install. the factory-optional fog lamps are worthless their only value is cosmetic look i have foggy lites!. if thats your goal go get the lamps etc. from a wrecking yard or use www.car-part.com searchable used auto parts clear across north america. if you want lamps that actually help you see in rain/fog/snow etc. get a set of bosch compact 100s which fit the factory opening nicely and have very good performance. you can run em with factory switch/wiring or put in an overlay wiring harness such as a hella husa-87212. if youre trying to fill-in the black hole on the road left by the standard headlamps consider putting in a set of the 98-01 dodge ram sport headlamps which are vastly better. these are the clear-lens/optic-reflector lamps with two bulbs per side compared to the optic-lens lamps with one bulb per side found in the regular 94-01 rams. the lamps themselves can be found expensively through a dealer or less expensively via www.car-part.com ; dealers often claim the sport lamps cant be installed in a standard truck or cant be installed without a $600 wiring harness. forget that noise do a google search on rik-ram. -ds i installed the factory in fog lights in my old truck a 2001 ran 1500. they worked quite well and once again proves there are idiots on this noosegroop as well. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .

From : daniel j stern

on mon 21 jun 2004 moparman wrote the factory-optional fog lamps are worthless their only value is cosmetic look i have foggy lites!. i installed the factory in fog lights in my old truck a 2001 ran 1500. they worked quite well and once again proves there are idiots on this noosegroop as well. naw just proves that those whove only ever eaten baloney sandwiches think they taste quite good and dont know how much better steak tastes. -ds ...unless you meant the idiots who dont know how to spell ram or group... .

From : miles

moparman wrote i installed the factory in fog lights in my old truck a 2001 ran 1500. they worked quite well i installed the factory lights in my 2000 ram. they were about $135 for the lights wiring harness and switch. the factory switch is worth it to me as i hate add-on switches mounted in some hand drilled hole in the dash. .

From : gary carter

usually i would tell anyone wanting to put on fog lights to go after market. but just tonight coming home i got to thinking as im starring into oncoming vehicles running fog lights on a nice clear night i sure am glad not very many people out there were running good aftermarket lights. my truck had factory fog lights until it was in an accident when i built a new front bumper. i installed aftermarket fog lights the difference was literally night and day. if you are one of those morons who run fog lights all the time do us others a favor leave them off the truck or buy the cheapest ones you can find with the smallest bulb. gary carter on mon 21 jun 2004 rd wrote does anyone know where i can get the fog lights dash switch and all mounting hardware for a 95 1500 4x4 ex cab 5.9 this truck didnt come stock with the lights and now i would like to install them. answer depends on what you want to install. the factory-optional fog lamps are worthless their only value is cosmetic look i have foggy lites!. if thats your goal go get the lamps etc. from a wrecking yard or use www.car-part.com searchable used auto parts clear across north america. if you want lamps that actually help you see in rain/fog/snow etc. get a set of bosch compact 100s which fit the factory opening nicely and have very good performance. you can run em with factory switch/wiring or put in an overlay wiring harness such as a hella husa-87212. if youre trying to fill-in the black hole on the road left by the standard headlamps consider putting in a set of the 98-01 dodge ram sport headlamps which are vastly better. these are the clear-lens/optic-reflector lamps with two bulbs per side compared to the optic-lens lamps with one bulb per side found in the regular 94-01 rams. the lamps themselves can be found expensively through a dealer or less expensively via www.car-part.com ; dealers often claim the sport lamps cant be installed in a standard truck or cant be installed without a $600 wiring harness. forget that noise do a google search on rik-ram. -ds i installed the factory in fog lights in my old truck a 2001 ran 1500. they worked quite well and once again proves there are idiots on this noosegroop as well. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .

From : miles

gary carter wrote if you are one of those morons who run fog lights all the time do us others a favor leave them off the truck or buy the cheapest ones you can find with the smallest bulb. the problem isnt with the lights. its with the all too often misadjustment of them. if fog lights blind oncoming traffic then they will not do much good in fog or snow. may as well just use the high beams. .

From : daniel j stern

on mon 21 jun 2004 gary carter wrote usually i would tell anyone wanting to put on fog lights to go after market. but just tonight coming home i got to thinking as im starring into oncoming vehicles running fog lights on a nice clear night i sure am glad not very many people out there were running good aftermarket lights. thats bassackwards. assuming proper aim and similar size good aftermarket fog lamps tend to produce *less* glare than bad original-equipment ones. my truck had factory fog lights until it was in an accident when i built a new front bumper. i installed aftermarket fog lights the difference was literally night and day. if you are one of those morons who run fog lights all the time do us others a favor leave them off the truck or buy the cheapest ones you can find cheap fog lamp = more glare. ds .

From : gary carter

the cheap ones i have had experiance with were the old $15 yellow ones that to actually see any light from almost had to be pointed almost staight down. best part of the cheap ones i see around here is they are usually not working in a couple of months. gary thats bassackwards. assuming proper aim and similar size good aftermarket fog lamps tend to produce *less* glare than bad original-equipment ones. cheap fog lamp = more glare. ds .

From : glaxo

@alumni.engin.umich.edu dastern@engin.umich.edu says... on tue 22 jun 2004 gary carter wrote the cheap ones i have had experiance with were the old $15 yellow ones that to actually see any light from almost had to be pointed almost staight down. yeah...these have been replaced on the wal-mart and pep boys shelves and the pages of the jc witless catalogue by nasty little high-glare chinese-made pieces of trash... ds ive found a very good use for those cheap walmart chinese-made pieces of trash. they work especially well mounted under the rear bumper pointing directly towards the drivers side windshield of the car coming up behind me in the slow lane with his brights flashing to pass like i have another lane to my right to move into. nothing like a solid wall of glare to back off these morons. btw they also make it very easy to hook up a trailer late at night and do wonders when backing up in the dark. glaxo .

From : idaspode

on wed 23 jun 2004 022640 gmt glaxo glaxo@smithklein.com wrote ive found a very good use for those cheap walmart chinese-made pieces of trash. they work especially well mounted under the rear bumper pointing directly towards the drivers side windshield of the car coming up behind me in the slow lane with his brights flashing to pass like i have another lane to my right to move into. nothing like a solid wall of glare to back off these morons. the back off lighting system btw they also make it very easy to hook up a trailer late at night and do wonders when backing up in the dark. doubles as the back up lighting system glaxo dj .

From : ulf

daniel j. stern wrote on tue 22 jun 2004 gary carter wrote the cheap ones i have had experiance with were the old $15 yellow ones that to actually see any light from almost had to be pointed almost staight down. yeah...these have been replaced on the wal-mart and pep boys shelves and the pages of the jc witless catalogue by nasty little high-glare chinese-made pieces of trash... speaking of glare do you know any good small driving lights with city lights i never really liked the look of the ff100 driving lights that replaced my stock fog lights and im thinking about replacing them with something else. the ff75s look nice the size is much better compared to the ff100s too. however i really like the look of city lights when the driving lights are off. unfortunately they only seem to be available on larger driving lights for some reason or am i wrong stock fogs 145x50x100 wxhxd in mm ff75 156x64x100 ff100 156x105x86 ds ulf .

From : daniel j stern

on wed 23 jun 2004 ulf wrote speaking of glare do you know any good small driving lights with city lights nope. however i really like the look of city lights when the driving lights are off. put in a set of e-code headlamps with city lights then. .

From : ulf

daniel j. stern wrote on wed 23 jun 2004 ulf wrote speaking of glare do you know any good small driving lights with city lights nope. however i really like the look of city lights when the driving lights are off. put in a set of e-code headlamps with city lights then. i doubt there are any that fit. its probably easier to modify the ff75s; ill figure something out... ulf .

From : terra

gary carter wrote i am getting ready to build a custom bumper for my 1996 ram and i am looking at replacing my factory fog lights with aftermarket units. currently im looking at cibie piaa and hella lights. ive budgeted $200 for the lights and a relay ill use the factory wiring up to the crossmember. i have decided on running clear fog light instead of yellow ones after reading many articles including the on at www.gi.alaska.edu/scienceforum/asf5/593.html any good suggestions gary carter i have hella micro ff clear fogs and i like them. really ugly toggle switch came included in the kit though had to replace that. a bunch of hella models are listed at http//catalog.com/susq/hella/fog.htm .

From : gary carter

nope live south of the border. havent been overly impressed with the small lights that seem popular now and the blue makes it hard to meet on a dark road. kind of eye balling the hella model 550 fog lights. they measure 3 3/4 x7 11/16 x 3 1/4 not as big as i use to run on my older trucks but will dwarf the factory ones. but also like the looks of the piaa 5200 series but the price is scary at double the price of the hella dont know if their would be enough improvement to justify. gary carter | if you are in canada.. go to ugh canadian tire and get the blue driving | lights. they are bullet shaped and fit great... and only $60.00.... or if | you arent lucky enough to live here you can always check online at | www.canadiantire.ca m. | | | | i am getting ready to build a custom bumper for my 1996 ram and i am | looking | at replacing my factory fog lights with aftermarket units. currently im | looking at cibie piaa and hella lights. ive budgeted $200 for the lights | and a relay ill use the factory wiring up to the crossmember. i have | decided on running clear fog light instead of yellow ones after reading | many articles including the on at | www.gi.alaska.edu/scienceforum/asf5/593.html any good suggestions | | gary carter | | | | .

From : terra

which bfgs did you get for the truck ive always run the ats even on my old 85 c-10 and especially on the c-10 it handled very well all things considered - it was missing the anti-sway bar....and even the 33x12.5 tas on my 79 k-1500 work quite well wet or dry...... jeremy thats funny i just replaced my uniroyals with bfgoodrich and am not impressed. i agree with you that the uniroyals had a hard time getting my truck moving in the rain but the truck tracked true and straight and would turn like a sports car on dry roads. the bfgoodrich tend to make it wander a little and act skittish at highway speeds. this surprised me considering how well their tires work on my transam and magnum. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i used to run uniroyals back in the day didnt like them at all. no traction on damp ground and id imagine much worse on wet or snowy ground. didnt keep em long enough to find out. used to install coopers but its been ages. they were decent nicely priced tires. all i run is bfgoodrich at/ta kos now. all the people i know that use their trucks ie - 4xing or snow plowing run bfgs. not sure how they compare in price to uniroyal but theyre prolly more expensive than the cooper and i know they make em in 16.5. jeremy any opinions by users of cooper ast and uniroyal laredo awp tires theyre one of the few options in the old 16.5 size on my dodge. tia -- ed light smiley -/ ms smiley - .

From : terra

gary carter wrote i was wondering to myself if a person running piaas would have any luck trying to buy replacement bulbs in podunk iowa on a saturday. think hella runs a standard bulb dont they gary carter mine are ordinary h3 bulbs in both the driving and fog lights 55 watt i believe about $2 or $3. im pretty sure piaa uses the same you dont have to buy their super/xtreme/xtra/plasma/ion/55w=85w magic bulbs. i bought my sister one fog light bulb for her explorer... napa wanted something like $30 maybe it was more $9 at pep boys. .

From : power monger

anyone have the part # for this as i am in canada and would like to check them out ; thanx if you are in canada.. go to ugh canadian tire and get the blue driving lights. they are bullet shaped and fit great... and only $60.00.... or if you arent lucky enough to live here you can always check online at www.canadiantire.ca m. i am getting ready to build a custom bumper for my 1996 ram and i am looking at replacing my factory fog lights with aftermarket units. currently im looking at cibie piaa and hella lights. ive budgeted $200 for the lights and a relay ill use the factory wiring up to the crossmember. i have decided on running clear fog light instead of yellow ones after reading many articles including the on at www.gi.alaska.edu/scienceforum/asf5/593.html any good suggestions gary carter .

From : daniel j stern

on thu 24 jun 2004 ulf wrote put in a set of e-code headlamps with city lights then. i doubt there are any that fit. fit what .

From : ulf

daniel j. stern wrote on thu 24 jun 2004 ulf wrote put in a set of e-code headlamps with city lights then. i doubt there are any that fit. fit what the space in the bumper cover on my 97 camaro where the stock fog lights used to be but now occupied by a pair of hella ff100 driving lights. i must say though im pretty sold on the ff75s... ulf .

From : john h guillory

on tue 22 jun 2004 193435 -0400 daniel j. stern dastern@engin.umich.edu wrote thats bassackwards. assuming proper aim and similar size good aftermarket fog lamps tend to produce *less* glare than bad original-equipment ones. usually the assholes go with aftermarket lighting that is illegal in the united states and uses bulbs far brighter than necessary aimed all over the place etc. i once pulled up to a red light and had an asshole in a pick up truck that had 4 sets of fog lights mounted on his bumper.... 4 below his head lights 4 above his head lights in a v shaped pattern all on not a drop of rain or fog.... very clear night.... often at night time morons with brights and fog lights cause so much blinding i have to bring my car to a complete stop on the road and wait for them to pass me.... i guess they think everyone on the road thinks they are a king or something youd think theyd take a hint that their causing other cars to have a problem seeing.... oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... .

From : john h guillory

on wed 23 jun 2004 022640 gmt glaxo glaxo@smithklein.com wrote ive found a very good use for those cheap walmart chinese-made pieces of trash. they work especially well mounted under the rear bumper pointing directly towards the drivers side windshield of the car coming up behind me in the slow lane with his brights flashing to pass like i have another lane to my right to move into. nothing like a solid wall of glare to back off these morons. btw they also make it very easy to hook up a trailer late at night and do wonders when backing up in the dark. i agree that they make additional back-up lights if you have to back up in the boon-docks.... did it to my truck and had no problems seeing 20 feet behind my truck knew where every ditch was all the way around my truck.... problem is when i went to get my truck inspected they made me loose the rear-fog lights.... they claimed only utility trucks could have non factory installed lights aimed to the back of the truck.... so basically youll have to throw you a company sign on the door maybe some extra tool boxes headache rack etc. and call yourself a plumber when inspecting..... .

From : denny

oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... im sure youll be pleased when the mother returns fire.... g denny .

From : terra

gary carter wrote nope live south of the border. havent been overly impressed with the small lights that seem popular now and the blue makes it hard to meet on a dark road. kind of eye balling the hella model 550 fog lights. they measure 3 3/4 x7 11/16 x 3 1/4 not as big as i use to run on my older trucks but will dwarf the factory ones. but also like the looks of the piaa 5200 series but the price is scary at double the price of the hella dont know if their would be enough improvement to justify. i have hella 550s in my bumper too. driving not fog. one thing bugs me about them the glue that bonds the glass to the reflector is white while the micro ff fogs next to them use black. hella - less $ plastic shell clear glass. piaa - more $$ stamped steel shell trendy ion crystal glass is bluish when off/yellowish light squirts out when on. piaa makes bogus 55w=85w claims about some expensive bulbs they offer. .

From : john h guillory

on sun 27 jun 2004 102854 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... im sure youll be pleased when the mother returns fire.... g id actually be amazed if he could return fire.... most dead folks dont usually return fire.... .

From : roy

on sun 27 jun 2004 102854 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... im sure youll be pleased when the mother returns fire.... g id actually be amazed if he could return fire.... most dead folks dont usually return fire.... i guess that youre assuming that youre going to make those first shots hit that moving target and your new cellmate bubba is gonna ask what youre in for. youre gonna say that you didnt like a guys fog lights and blew him away. bubba is gonna say that he thinks you have a cute ass and take it from there................ denny uh oh looks like ya have a new best friend. a tough one at that! gotta love it. bfg roy .

From : denny

on sun 27 jun 2004 102854 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... im sure youll be pleased when the mother returns fire.... g id actually be amazed if he could return fire.... most dead folks dont usually return fire.... i guess that youre assuming that youre going to make those first shots hit that moving target and your new cellmate bubba is gonna ask what youre in for. youre gonna say that you didnt like a guys fog lights and blew him away. bubba is gonna say that he thinks you have a cute ass and take it from there................ denny .

From : denny

on sun 27 jun 2004 102854 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote oh well one day itll be semi-legal to pull out a pistol and shoot the mother whose using excessive lighting because their eyes are blind..... im sure youll be pleased when the mother returns fire.... g id actually be amazed if he could return fire.... most dead folks dont usually return fire.... i guess that youre assuming that youre going to make those first shots hit that moving target and your new cellmate bubba is gonna ask what youre in for. youre gonna say that you didnt like a guys fog lights and blew him away. bubba is gonna say that he thinks you have a cute ass and take it from there................ denny uh oh looks like ya have a new best friend. a tough one at that! gotta love it. bfg roy naa just someone thats been watching too much tv thinking those shots are a piece of cake. besides youre much better than me at making friends!! bg denny .

From : dick puter413atyahoo com

if your taking a survey im with dan & have the factory fogs. there about useless and replacement bulbs are $8 each. how much do the bosch 100s cost anybody want to buy my old ones make offer. on mon 21 jun 2004 moparman wrote the factory-optional fog lamps are worthless their only value is cosmetic look i have foggy lites!. i installed the factory in fog lights in my old truck a 2001 ran 1500. they worked quite well and once again proves there are idiots on this noosegroop as well. naw just proves that those whove only ever eaten baloney sandwiches think they taste quite good and dont know how much better steak tastes. -ds ...unless you meant the idiots who dont know how to spell ram or group... --- outgoing mail is certified virus free. checked by avg anti-virus system http//www.grisoft.com. version 6.0.718 / virus database 474 - release date 7/9/2004 .

From : tom lawrence

lol sorry wrong group hi i decided to service my mower myself this year oil is easy to change but having a heck of time gettin the blade off to sharpen. cant find my manual. is there a trick to getting the blade off. ive got a honda harmony hrt about 8 years old. original blade. i was wondering if maybe after 8 years i should get buy a new blade its one of those mulching blades. also when it runs it seems to rev up and down after a few minutes does anyone know whats causing this any help greatly appreciated .