Dyno vs synthetic?
From : ignoramus26572
Q: oh..bite me... lol vacation has arrived.waited all year for this!! am i going anywhere no friggin way! the addition project that started in jan is wrapping up these next two weeks so i gotta be around. ill grab one day next week for a trip to maine but thats it. while im whining no pool either. what really pisss me off is that red was right. okay im done. roy .
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From : mike simmons
on mon 14 jul 2003 194332 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@fidnet.com wrote glad youre ok mike... any update on your son yeah mac i spoke to him yesterday and they did a nerve study at the naval hospital at camp lejeune. one nerve is dead and the other that was damaged is on partially conductive. the navy docs seem to think that the one that is partially conductive will eventually heal entirely and the one that is dead may come back to life eventually. if it doesnt the docs say that the dead nerve may regenerate via the nerve that is ok since the two are parallel and intertwined together. he still has no feeling in his right pinkie or ring finger. he still cannot grasp anything smaller than a tennis ball and they feel that another surgery to the tendons in another couple of months will fix that. the outlook for a 100 per cent recover is now dimmer but the docs still feel that he will have at least 85 percent use of the hand back when all the dust settles. they tell him that the nerves regenerate very slowly something on the order of 1/10th of an inch per month which could mean several years before he gets feeling back in the numb fingers. one of my techs at work boogered up his hand many years ago and he said that it was thre years before he got full feeling back. anyway hes home and hes safe so the outcome could have been a lot worse. hes been taken off combat duty and now has an office job where hes in charge of battalion training. he was offered a job at camp pendleton as an lav instructor but i think he wants to stay in nc vs ca. thanks for your interest and if any new developments happen i will let you know. by the way his recommendation for a bronze star with combat v was approved at batallion and at the 2nd mardiv so now its in the hands of hq usmc. mike well the score is now simmons 1 deer 0! on the way to the shop this am at about 520 a large doe decided to end it all. i was cooking along about 65 minding my own business btw when from out of nowhere she leapt into the path of my new ram. wham! i saw her cartwheel across the left lane and into the median and as i continued on looking in my rear view mirror she did about 20 revolutions before coming to a halt in the grass. i continued on for about two miles to the shop and pulled into the parking lot and inspected the ram. amidst a puddle of power steering fluid i saw the grille front fascia bumperleft front fender and headlight smashed. when i raised the hood i saw the remains of the condenser intercooler and trans cooler along with the bottom half of the ps pump that was missing. i havent got the estimate from our body shop yet but i reckon it will be at least $3-$4k to put the ol ram back into fighting condition. damned deer! ^ mike .
From : steve
same setup except the tonneau cover. as long as i shift at 2500rpm shift point regularly i get between 17 and 18.4 mpg. if i wait till 3000 then i get 17.2 mpg. 2800 miles so far. if i shift at 2000rpm the few times i did it i got between 18 and 18.7mpg. i love this truck! - today i did it! 18.85 mpg. ram 1500 2wd with 4.7l 5 speed auto. 65 mph avg and tonneau cover. it almost made the epa rating of 19. the truck is a 2003 with 4700 miles. whats everyones record .
From : jacob suter
not to be arguementative but on one of the hot rod shows on tnn last weekend they dynoed a 2001 ss camaro at 290hp at the rear wheels. then they drained the rear axle fluid the transmission fluid it was a 6-speed manual and the engine oil and replaced all of these fluids with the appropriate royal purple synthetic fluid. the result was an 11hp gain at the rear wheels on the same dyno. so i guess it would depend on what synthetic oil you buy. some of my friends swear by synthetic. -- steve - 03 ram 1500 qc 4x4. thats the question... what do you think will my engine live longer or run better with synthetic i .
From : trey
or hes got an airflow issue... if you have frost on any part of it it is low ok 97 ram pressure ranges from 30 - 45 with the clutch cycles the clutch kicks on for about 3-4 seconds then off for 3-4 seconds pressure goes from 30 up to 45 when compressor stops and then back down on when the clutch kicks on the line going from the firewall to the condenser gets condensation and frost on it. the line going from the firewall to the accumulatoris that right does not get cold at all. the accumulator is actually kind of warm. is that typical my own belief is that it is low on refrigerant. does this sound right .
From : joseph myers
not to be arguementative but on one of the hot rod shows on tnn last weekend they dynoed a 2001 ss camaro at 290hp at the rear wheels. then they drained the rear axle fluid the transmission fluid it was a 6-speed manual and the engine oil and replaced all of these fluids with the appropriate royal purple synthetic fluid. the result was an 11hp gain at the rear wheels on the same dyno. so i guess it would depend on what synthetic oil you buy. some of my friends swear by synthetic. some swear by them... others swear at them. .
From : joe
yes... i totally agree. three weeks ago my 2000 dodge ram 1500 qc 5.2l was stolen. insurance finally paid off on it today as a total loss so i went down to the local dodge dealer and came home with a new 2003 ram 1500 qc with the hemi. i can say that it is much more fun than the 5.2l truck. it is a little scary smile to know just how much power there is under that hood. i was totally surprised at the difference. i am truly loving it! welcome back from the dark side my hemified brethren. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches .
From : cbhvac
wah... see the tear customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .
From : joseph myers
yes it is below the ecm the oil rail runs all the way down the block. on a freightliner and some ford isbs it will be in the back or the front hole the middle two will be blocked on the oil rail with a small allen head screw. hey f-450! how ya doin hi i am having a problem with my 2001 frieghtliner. i need to replace the oil pressure sensor. i ordered a new one and i am having problems locating the its on the drivers side of the engine just below the ecm and just in front of the lift pump. it should have a three-wire connector on it and be almost directly below the big 50-pin electrical connector on the ecm. .
From : jacob suter
tom over the years in all my contacts with chryco engineering i have asked repeatedly for the specifics of how they determine the gcvwr and so far no one can definitively answer my question. i suspect there is some old-timer in an office somewhere with a slide rule that divines the ratings.... ^ mike on the 20 tire and compare it to the load rating on the 17 lt that tom alluded to in a previous post you will find the difference there. the 20s are show tires the 17 lts are work tires. thats what i was thinking but then noticed that the gvwrs are the same. even though the ratings are what they are i cant think of any real reason why the gcvwr would be reduced. however if the tires that come on the 20 wheels are about 32 in diameter vs. the 30 diameter of the stock 17s then the slight difference in final drive ratio might be enough to lower the towing capacity somewhat. isnt one of the determinations for towing capacity the ability to start from a standstill on a certain amount of incline but in any event i agree with you - no one buys a work truck with 20 wheels on them... escalades yeah - pickup trucks.... they just dont belong .
From : trey
actually..i was going to...but will add this.. gm keeps the tranny man happy........ ask anyone in the biz...gm has about the worst..next to the ford aod tranny thereis...and was.. on thu 17 jul 2003 144031 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlink.net wrote if what you say is true then why is it only you and beekeeper can find anyone that has trans troubles and your the only one whose heart craped out on him so whats your phucking point beekeep .
From : nosey
i will never spend a penny on ford... i customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .
From : gary glaenzer
thats the question... what do you think will my engine live longer or run better with synthetic i heres my take on the syn deal based on personal experience. it runs cooler in the corvette than dino oil does. it is so slippery that gm would void a warranty if it was found in a zf 6 speed. it is your money spend it any way ya want. hell go get a couple of those k$n thingys while your at it. figure its the weekend and id toss it into the mix.bfg roy .
From : roy
do you want some cheese with your whine so you think the ford dealership will be any better they are all bad unless you are buying their flagship. also service changes from dealer to dealer. some are good and some are not. that is not limited to dodge. all dealerships are like that. dont expect them to bend over backwards for you. you have to wait just like everyone else in the line. since i have bought my dakota i have been to the dealership a total of three times. in the past two years. customer service is nice. having a good product that you are happy with is nice too. i had two fords and i really dont think i will buy another any time soon. chevy and dodge can take care of my truck needs and germany can take care of the cars. that ford ranger looks pretty nice though. but it need s a 5.3l v8 in it. but the price tag is outrageous for now trucks though. customer service counts and daimlerchrysler and its dealerships fail at that. my wife next car will not be a daimlerchrysler product. as much as i like my 03 dakota i will not spend another cent on daimlerchrysler. steve dault@spamattbi.com remove spam for e-mail .
From : mike simmons
hell go get a couple of those k$n thingys while your at it. figure its the weekend and id toss it into the mix.bfg dont forget the kabuki throttle body !!!!! .
From : roy
maybe if your post had some merit to it then we would understand but coming here and just saying they have bad service holds no merit. saying you were waiting in the lobby for an hour while the girl at the front desk was on the phone with her girlfriend for an hour. might do something but then why didnt you take your complaint to the manager dealership owner regional rep etc.... sure i can come on here and say i will never buy a dodge again! but why does anyone care what you do what led you to this decision did you just wake up one day on the wrong side of the bed take your dodge in and but heard with the service rep who it totally swamped and so from this one almost bad experience you will never buy a dodge again that is the problem with the internet. anyone can post anything they like. yeah this whole first amendment thing is great you can speak your mind. ok... speak! give us the whole story not just the conclusion. too many people just post comments that dont mean anything and expect the whole group to feel sorry for them and pool together and buy them a gift package to make it up to them. if you posted your issues on the group all along then the group could have helped you resolve the problem in a mature manor instead of just posting unmerited rants that no one cares about. if you come in here and act unprofessional then no one will take you seriously and they will just poke fun at you. since you know its their right to poke fun at you as much as it is your right to post crap. insert flames here--- boy some people just dont understand that groups are for everyone not just the select few who think they own it. this is a dodge group and i can post my feeling about them. if not then show me where it tells me you own this group. grow up and get a life. .
From : terra
i didnt name the dealerships because it involves 3 dealerships in my area plus one on the other side of the state. i also felt all the replies i received from dc showed the company was only out for the money and not customer satisfaction. their reply was basically the same each time our dealerships do not represent our products. i hope we can earn your faith again in dc products. this leaves me to believe its dcs way of doing business. people can claim all dealerships are the same and are not the company but they are our only contact with their products. after going through what i did i had talked to a few friends who just bought trucks from the local ford dealer and i could not believe their comments about the dealer and ford. they received calls from both the dealer and a ford rep mailings from ford with coupons for free or reduced price on service and even touch-up paint for their trucks. i feel this type of contact is beyond what dc would do and shows what companies really care about their customers. in your original post you claimed that the dealerships failed at customer service. since you wont name the dealerships then i dont care about your alleged problems. .
From : joseph myers
its more expensive because pt barnum was right theres a sucker born every minute. the real key to engine longivity is proper and timely maintainence. joe on sat 19 jul 2003 101407 -0400 nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote joe yer wastin yer time! ive been saying in this ng for years that synthetic starts off life as crude just like dino oil but no one seems to listen... sigh.... my preference of course is to call dino conventional oil and synthetic synthetic but no one seems to want to adopt my convention. 8-------------------------------------------- not meant to be an amsoil plug but it explains it well. plagiarized from http//www.paonline.com/amsdill/syntheticoil/ have you ever wondered why synthetic oil is more expensive than petroleum oil and if its worth it well ive done some research and this is what i came up with. the reason it is more expensive is because of how it is made. the name synthetic means that it is chemically synthesized from different hydrocarbons. they start with a hydrocarbon then derive the gas ethylene and then chemically synthesize that into the base stock for synthetic oil polyalphaolefin or pao. premium additives also add to the cost and are beneficial for reducing friction resisting oxidation and thermal breakdown and eliminating sludge and varnish formation. so what does all that mean to you because the oil is synthesized from the same molecule the molecules of the base stock of synthetic oil are of all the same size and there is no impurity. this causes the synthetic oil to be more stable and will enable it do a better job of lubrication. so when you heat the synthetic oil it is less volatile or when you freeze the oil it will pour when petroleum oil is solid. also over extended use the synthetic oil will retain its same lubricating quality longer. in contrast petroleum oils molecules are of different sizes and shapes and some of the molecules are undesirable. i hate to point out the obvious but they do pump it out of the ground. refining will remove most but not all of the impurities. the oils viscosity and lubricating quality will change overtime because the smaller molecules will burn off. this process will also cause acids and sludge to form in the oil. i have tried oil additives and found little benefit from them. especially when compared to the tangible and tested benefits of amsoil synthetic oil. ill let you make up your own mind on this topic but please check out this link from the federal trade commission. federal trade commission .
From : mike simmons
joe you were comparing the 20 to the 17 rts but it was a p-metric rts i believe that the lt rts has a rating that is still higher yet. that still may account for the difference.... dont throw the sliderule theory out yet though... ^ mike ok i went to a swap meet today found a set of new 20s checked them out. heres the info load rating 2403 lbs. at max inflation pretty darn high still exceeding the old standard 1/2 ton pick up tire p235/75r15 rating of 2205 but compared to a goodyear wrangler rt/s p265/70r17 which is 2535 it suffers a bit. size was p275/55r20 = 275/25.4*2*.55+20 = 31.9 once again real close to the 17s in diameter. so i really havent cleared anything up still confused about the issue. i think ill just stick with mikes slide rule theory. hmm could be. you dont think the 20s have enough load capacity to take 1000 lbs. of tongue weight anyway i was bored looked up the 17 tire sizes i didnt bother to look up load ratings after running the numbers. p245/70r17 = 245/25.4*2*.7+17=30.5 p265/70r17 = 265/25.4*2*.7+17=31.6
From : joseph myers
first off i just want to apologize to you and the group for this thread. my answer should have been if it was my car i would top it off with refrigerant. any other statements i made where unnecessary. sometimes i can be very opinionated and i need to remember that it is not a wise use of my time or of others. as far as i am concerned this is the end of matter. rick i suggest that you read up on whats changed since the montreal protocol was first signed.. you got a lot to learn.. nuff said in that.. oh... still a fuckin hack. sure its the law that you recover if you have to do a repair. but the law also say that you can add refrigerant to top off a system. but we are not talking about a shop we are talking about an individual wanting to top off his system. toping off a system in not a hack. and as far a real floridians go their are plenty of them. most of them stay here and never leave. it just happens to be such a great place that people move here more then they do to any other state. i just hope no on comes to the group and ask about putting oil in their engine. if they do i am sure you will tell them that you cant top it off the oil. you will tell them that they have to drain it and replace it with the factory specified amount because there is no way to get the correct amount of oil in the engine with out doing it that way. but you just keep everything secret and dont every let any one know that they can do anything for their self. always make everything sound scary and too hard to do for the average guy. that way you can keep the doors to you little business open. oh and i am sure us floridians know a little more about air conditioning then most seeing how its above 80 degrees here 10 months out of the year. so hack that. rick ok..rick... first i dont run a repair shop...i am out of the mvac area..but its the law that you must recover...period. i am required by law to have a recovery machine as is every damn ac repair shop. and it must be listed with the epa and certified. i also have to have a drum for every refrigerant i deal with....r12 mp39 416a nu22 r22 134a...yes...134a... in the world i live in we dont hack our stuff in but do it right. i guess things down your way are different.... that explains why there are so few real floridians eh you hacks done run em out. the fact is recovery system are a great way for repair shops to justify the high prices they charge. bullshit...lie #1. its the law....the high prices are charged due to normal biz costs associated with a real licenced shop. we cant help it if you dont know what insurance is. i am no longer a mechanic thank god...you would be paying epa fines out the ass with your thinking.. as i have moved on to a cleaner career. but living in florida i have charged thousands of systems without a recover unit. i have too...and had you not tried to take it out of context a recovery unit is not always needed but when the system is partially charged you must by law recover the charge..it does not matter if you are licenced or not...venting is illegal. and a recover unit will not tell you where the leak is. no..it sure as hell wont skippy...your hg10 or cps or inficon will....wait...lemmie guess...you didnt have those either.. it will not tell you if you have a bad compressor...clogged filter..or if the fan for the condenser is working no shit skippy. . you need to know the workings of a a/c system and how to check those thing. this is the real world and sometime things get done differently then they do in a lab. i am not saying that anybody should charge there system. but to say you need a recovery system is just ridiculous. nah...saying it is the law is fact. saying you sound like a hack is a fact...and saying that you prob cant charge a system correctly to work at 100% in the real world is fact. why not. i have done this many time before with no problems. you dont have a site glass to tell you when its full but if you use your other sense sight hearing and touch you can tell when it full. you just have to use common sense. rick sigh.. no rick its not that simple..if its that simple...get started. go ahead..start charging her up.. you asked a question and you got the correct answer not one time but twice. we hear things like this every freaking day. a sight glass does not tell you when its full. fact. you cant not use your other senses to tell when its charged. fact...unless you consider sight...meaning you are looking at the scale that tells you when you have added enough or you have added enough cans to exactly equal the factory charge and thats damn hard since its rare you can hit it dead on with a 12oz can. more things than low charge can create a no cool condition. overcharge for example. tev not working correctly. blower not up to
From : mike simmons
truck. damn im getting old my friends have adult kids...so anyway i think you and tom are correct. i dont think the tire diameter has as much bearing on the tow capacity as the load rating on the tire. i suspect if you compare the max load rating on the 20 tire and compare it to the load rating on the 17 lt that tom alluded to in a previous post you will find the difference there. the 20s are show tires the 17 lts are work tires. chryco service manager member sae ive had a tape on the twenties just over 32 diameter dont know what the 17s are. if someone will post the exact sizes i can run the math on them and see how they come out. you do know the tires delivered on the twankies are lower profile than the 17s right i believe the total height is within an inch or so. js i have an 03 ram 1500 club cab w/ hemi 3.92 rearend limited slip-20 wheels. the brochure stated that it was rated for 8900 lbs. the web site limits it to 7750. my brother has a gmc 1500 with the 5.3 engine. he is good for 8100 lbs. i thought dodge was best in class....what is the deal here 20 inch wheels dood your 3.92 rear end is now a 289 rear end....you cant have looks and power. -- moparman----remove clothes to reply... scud coordinates latitude 32.61208 degrees north longitude 96.92995 degrees west depth 17.35 inches . 222 263860 pm-dnrbwzvdg0yeixtwjga@fidnet.com mike simmons wrote nosey i am not disputing the fact that synthetic oil has some superior properties vis a vis conventional oil. my point is do these superior properties provide any benefit to the average consumer my position is that unless you operate your vehicle under some very specific conditions synthetics are not a cost effective alternative to conventional oils. you can certainly and correctly! point out that the pour point is lower for synthetics the resistance to shear is superior with synthetics etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum however unless your application your specific use can take advantage of these superior characteristics their presence in the product is meaningless and more costly! to you. being an electrical engineer i will offer you this analogy. you have a circuit of defined voltage and ampacity. you will never intendknowingly or unknowingly to exceed these well defined parameters. based upon this information you select the proper wire gauge and insulation for the circuit. for the sake of this discussion you select a14 awg conductor with pvc insulation. this wire gauge is sufficient for the intended current and the insulation is sufficient for the environment. now i could have selected 12 awg with a ptfe insulator. the 12 awg has superior ampacity and the ptfe insulator can handle a higher ambient temperature along with a more corrosive environment. does that mean its better for some applications yes... for my application no! therefore to install this wire would a. supply me with no tangible benefit and b. prove to be more costly. the same analogy can be carried over to the argument of conventional vs. synthetic oils. your 14awg vs. 12awg analogy is more like describing the volume of oil flowing and the size of the pipe not the materials that the oil and pipe are made of. a better analogy might have covered aluminum vs. copper conductors and dissimilar metal corrosion. my analogy was intended to show that just because a material has superior properties doesnt make it better or anymore useful than a material that is adequate for the job. sorry if that wasnt clear. mike hope this clarifies my position. mike .