Dodge SRT 10 truck

From : smoove

Q: budd cochran wrote would you happen to have a link or library reference please http//www.440magnum-network.com/ .

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From : tbone

budd cochran wrote budd cochran wrote i know youre using the old girl 331 just as an example and yes they did have a great hp to ci ratio but what would they rate that 331 at using the system they put in place in the early 70s ie gross vs net. jeff jeff ive seen 5 or 6 formulas for calculating net horsepower from the gross dyno horsepower figures and none seem to get it right. i guess theres too many variables involved. my personal estimate and its only a wild estimate would be about 270 - 280 hp. for the time it would still have been king of the hill. vbg the point i was trying to get across to moparman was that having 1 hp / cu.in. wasnt some magical figure to rest your laurels on. many crate wedge motors can do the same thing with just a carb intake and a set of street headers 360 / 380 hp mopar for example which means his hemi is only about average in hp / cu. in. by todays standards. he could get even more hp by swapping in a crate motor. budd i get you. ;- when i was a kid my dad came home with a 62 oldmobile f-85 jetfire. 215ci turbocharged aluminum v8 rated at 215hp. we well i was along for the ride took it to irwindale raceway and he ran low 14s on skinny little 14 bias belted tires. completely stock. i do remember him removing the before the muffler plate cut-out. that car used to surprise the hell out of the big chevys fords and others on whittier blvd. did he remember to keep the water / alcohol bottle filled lol... thanks for pointing out my omission. the car was fuel-injected as well. actually it was a draw-thru turbo design aircleaner carb turbo engine witha rochester side draft carburetor. the other turbocharged gm vehicle from that time was the corvair and used a similar setup. however with the corvair being aircooled it was felt boost had to be limited more than for the 215 and the water / alcohol bottle wasnt used. the water alcohol mix prevented dertonation by the way. i remember a lot of mornings watching him pore that stuff in. it looked like milk. that would have been the oldsmobile stuff. all it really was was 50% water 50% denatured alcohol. you could make it at home for 10% of the manufacturers cost. we eventually sold it because my dad got tired of the overheating problems etc. we only had the car for a year and a half or so. my dad commuted to la from whittier everyday about 60 miles or so and that car was not a good commuter. not on la freeways anyway. ;- the guy we sold it to had to dump the 215 after about 50k miles. the dreaded sludge buildup eventually killed it. that and he got tired of the complexity. many years later i was cruising whittier bl. with some friends and we saw the car. we got the driver to pull over and discovered a little olds full of cute girls. she popped the hood and thats when i discovered the engine swap. imagine the girls consternation when they realized we werent interested in them but their car! i got the girls ph# so i could talk to her father and ask him about the car. lol... lol yeah olds forgot that more hp equals more heat and you need more radiator for a 215 horse engine than for a 135 horse engine. gm engineeering .. . . i got 21 people in a 64 barracuda once. it was easy since it was a mix of boys and girls . . . . even though the car was relatively lite i suspect it was making at least the advertized hp. my point being maybe the 331 was under-rated. jeff back in the 50s before the famous horsepower wars of the 60s most engines were rated pretty close to their dyno output but like ramworker pointed out they were tested under ideal conditions without any extra loads like water pump alternator exhaust etc. this pretty well eliminated the need to brag up the horsepower. i see. i remember in the mid to late 60s manufacturers were short- changing their own product hp to escape the insurance bean counters. mostly on the more exotic examples like the l88 vette and later the ls7 454s to name a few chevys anyway. i guess the 50s were a little less regulated and there wasnt the need or the power levels hadnt as yet gotten so stratospheric thus there was no need. jeff in the early 50s there really wasnt a horsepower war yet. hot rodding was still mostly localized in ca. moonshiners pretty much pre-nascar still did their own hopping up and then chased each other around horse tracks to see who was better and the family car just needed to get the family around comfortably. then nascar organized the moonshine drivers various magazines with hot rod in the lead spread the high performance word thru the us. that was when the family car became too slow for tom teenager. even supposedly responsible adults began to clamor for more horsepower from the manufacturers especially police departments for they needed the power to catch the hot rodding kids. by 1960 the war was fully engaged. gm was offering the then lat

From : theguy

in 56 chevy got 283 horse out of a dual quad 283. minor point 283s were for the 1957 chevys. 56s still had the 265 just trying to keep you honest g politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : budd cochran

not rihno liner got with linex more lower alabama english politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : jerry

neither try schaeffers. supreme 7000 15w-40 i run it in every vehicle grand am my s-10 and my silverado which is a 99 and it has 275000 miles on it 5.7 liter v8 go to http//www.schaefferoil.com/ and learn about thier oils i tell you its the best around might cost more but its damn well worth it i have used this on my gfs grand am and my silverado when they were bought new after they were broken in schaeffers does not allow an engine to break in properly but afterwards i recommend it $4.75 a quart. go on read up on it. trust me on this! by the way its also available in 5w-30 too. on mon 20 sep 2004 193657 -0500 tranch728 tranch728@nospam.net wrote i use a product called amsoil in my rig. 2003 dodge ram 1500 4.7l quad cab and in my wifes 2002 accord. i run my oil to 35000 miles with oil analysis and i have absolutely no problems. amsoil makes mobil 1 look like pine tar. you can check out the amsoil docs at www.howlingmotorsports.com there is a link on that site to check out the tests comparing amsoil to mobil 1 and castrol syntec etc... i dont know about the claims being made by amsoil and those using it. i dont say it isnt true i just have an issue with not changing oil for 35k miles. ive been driving and maintaining my cars for 30 years and its just very hard to break that 3k or 3 month oil change habit. oil quality aside... its a good idea to look at your vehicle under the hood every 3 months. or if you dont know how have someone else do it for you. $80 per year is a cheap price to know that your fluid levels are checked tire pressures checked mechanicals glanced at & all the soot & acidity thats built up in your crankcase is drained. dino oil & labour are cheap. just my take. .

From : joe

theguy wrote on sun 26 sep 2004 165912 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote that goes for you as well jerry boy. jery hes got you there this time. what did your post serve other that to keep this horse race going like you just did what did your post with and theyre off. tbone on the inside rail budd coming up hard on the outside as they round the first corner serve other than to keep the bs going. you of all people have absolutely no room to talk. you could run this around in a circle all night but tommy troll doesnt have anyone anywhere. he is simple back after a week being gone with his usual bullshit. then again no one expected the troll to stay away for long. hes like a fat boy in a chocolate factory. jerry .

From : joe

i work from dodge at the quick lube the only engine that the brand of oil matters in is the viper v-10 motors. with everything else oil is oil subject mobil 1 vs. valvoline is there really a difference between motor oils dodge says use 5-30 in the 4.7l dak; i used castrol in the neon but switched to valvoline when i got the truck i notice a lot of folks using mobil 1 at least in their posts and was curious to know why. j. also the corvette and the ford focus .

From : budd cochran

on fri 24 sep 2004 234030 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with budd the lightning is as much as a truck as most other 1/2 tons. it will pull in the area of 5000lbs and the bed will hold a 1/2 ton of whatever perhaps more. come the snow 4 blizzaks on it along with 400lbs. of weight in the back it will be a winter truck. roy what size plow you gonna put on it bro *g* damn smartass ol hippy. ya ben hanging out with the rabbit to tell the truth bro if it snows ill air down the front tires and push with the air dam.bfg roy mac .

From : tbone

http//www.hemitruckclub.com/superchipsreview.htm seems to be the same gains as if you were to add a new exhaust system. mines out of warranty now so its getting time to play with the motor. price being considered i dont want to do both at once which would you do 1. add a performance exhaust system from the motor back 1500.00 plus labor 2. add this thing. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- id do them both together. if you do the headers and exhaust first youd probably need the programmer to fatten things up. but that is only mho. roy yeah i would but im a little short of cash after my trip to colorado last week. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : jerry

http//www.hemitruckclub.com/superchipsreview.htm seems to be the same gains as if you were to add a new exhaust system. mines out of warranty now so its getting time to play with the motor. price being considered i dont want to do both at once which would you do 1. add a performance exhaust system from the motor back 1500.00 plus labor 2. add this thing. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- id do them both together. if you do the headers and exhaust first youd probably need the programmer to fatten things up. but that is only mho. roy .

From : jerry

that goes for you as well jerry boy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote good idea budd since you have yet to either mind your own business or even say anything of value. like you did..................... lolololololol jerry .

From : roy

http//www.hemitruckclub.com/superchipsreview.htm seems to be the same gains as if you were to add a new exhaust system. mines out of warranty now so its getting time to play with the motor. price being considered i dont want to do both at once which would you do 1. add a performance exhaust system from the motor back 1500.00 plus labor 2. add this thing. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : tbone

the powerwagons are already gone i think and the jeeps were looking like they were being cleaned up for return to detroit. i cant post pics from this isp so ill need to email them to someone that can. budd my eldest and i have been seeing several new as in next years model powerwagons and jeeps at a closed gas station here in moab. well it was closed but now it looks like its for vehicle testing and set up. i got a close look at license plates on the jeeps . . . michigan manufacturers plates. hello momma mopar! lets just say my son loved the looks of the powerwagons and i thought the jeeps were fantastic. i guess there might be one advantage to this little chunk of desert . . .. budd take some friggin pics and post them please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! oh pics of the truck not of yourself i couldnt handle that so early . g roy .

From : jeff mayner

i also need to run 220 service into the garage. im not so sure i can do it from the current panel in the house cause it is so full already. i even looked at taking full size 15 or 20 amp breakers and changing them out to 1/2 size breakers and it still doesnt look good. i know a few electricians at work that do this kind of thing on the side so ill prob go that way and with a permit. i want it done right the first time. fmb i wired my garage/workshop with duplex outlets every 4 around the 3 sides -- on a *separate* circuit from the lights. if i kick the breaker for the outlets im not stranded in the dark fumbling my way to the door! the top and bottom outlets are split apart with the top outlets daisy-chained separately from the bottom outlets. the two circuits pick l1 and l2 thru a double-breaker -- giving 4800w of power available at any outlet instead of the normal 2400w of power. in order to get that much wire in/out of each box i had to use the deepest boxes i could find. if i overload one circuit or shut it off for rework the entire box is cut dead. that scheme also worked out for my air compressor -- that outlet picks both l1 and l2 with a nema #6-20s receptacle. bryan .

From : jeff mayner

didnt learn a thing from roy did ya what was there to learn exactly what magic allows the lightning to do what the srt10 cant i am still waiting for a valis answer. well tom why do you think you could miss a valid answer that roy myself and anyone with good mechanical skills and / or race experience can see nope ya didnt. well ya cant blame it on me this time. sorry budd but the only one not learning anything is you. if roy thinks that it is so cheep and easy prove it. he has one make it do it. more denial . . .tom i not only understood but i have seen the results of changes just like roy said. two sources with mechanic and race experience and youre calling us liars. doesnt speak well for you at all. bye budd .

From : budd cochran

tony kimmell wrote these are the same idiots who had trouble making an engine that didnt rattle slap and click and blow up on its own and their dealers claim its perfectly normal. not a snowballs chance in hell am i going to listen to them. wow ................... another einstein that just discovered his second usable brain cell. jerry .

From : jeff mayner

on fri 24 sep 2004 115936 -0700 jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote budd cochran wrote first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with i have one. its an 03 hemi 1500. ;- jeff we thought we were buying a truck to just tow with... 99 ram qq w/360... turns out to be the family car too because of the rear seat and comfort level.. kept the 01 dakota for the wifes daily driver... could probably use a vw or something and save on the gas but we both feel that shes safer on her commute in the dak and she likes driving it.. almost as much as the ram.. she calls it truck and the dak is car now mac .

From : tbone

is this bait or can you not afford one either its not bait and on my disability no i cant afford one. what does that matter of course its a different motor. why would they make the same thing having to change spark plugs ever 5000 miles or waiting for the thing to die from a lousy idle speed or tearing up the transmission cause the torque was too much for it. lol now where did you hear all this garbage but well take a look at it anyway first lets get one thing clear 99% of all the street driven late version hemis were not driven just to the grocery and to church by little old ladies. with only rare exceptions the majority were driven by persons under 40 most were driven hard usually raced 3-5 times a week on the street and most ended up destroyed in accidents or cut out of a wreck only to be dropped into a legal drag racing car. so much for there being many of them driven normal right spark plugs ya got your hot range plugs in because you have to drive it daily to afford it. some clown pulls alongside in his shovit-a-ways reads the hemi logo and signals for a drag from the light. you nod and when the light goes green you dust him . . . .but those hot heat range plugs are burning up due to

From : tbone

lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. tom you are spending too much time touching yourself again. let me try it this way for me the last time believe whatever the hell you want. the performance was so close that a change in humidity could cause different results. again cool fuel cold air maybe a little more boost........... sorry roy but it seems that the only one touching themselves in here right now is you. how is it that the lightning can be so close with 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque less than the ram. the fact is that the ram is faster quicker handles better and stops quicker and weighs 300 lbs more. if it would be so easy for ford to regain the lead they would do it in 2005 and not wait until 2006. the fact is that it will take more than cooler fuel to make up a 1/2 second when you are already pushing low 13s with a 5000 lb truck but hey you own one show me -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

uh tom . . . . how much experience at drag racing do you have compared to roy iirc he has a whole bunch more than you. budd you know our tommy he has done everything. heres one i didnt toss at him. the drag coefficient. bet if i got it down a couple of inches closer to the pavement id grab1/2 a sec. hell the more i think about this id have more than 10k to play with.bfg yea and you would also reduce your load carrying capability as well. like i said no free lunch. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

how so this engine is already fairly well maxed out already. to get another 100 or so hp out of it and have it actually hold up and behave like a daily driver is not gonna come cheep if at all and then there is the rest of the drive train to consider. didnt learn a thing from roy did ya what was there to learn exactly what magic allows the lightning to do what the srt10 cant i am still waiting for a valis answer. please explain. in order to keep costs reasonable i doubt that there is much over design in the current lightning. if you crank up that engine another 100 or so hp you may push it past its long term endurance capabilities or over stress its transmission and rear axle. nope ya didnt. well ya cant blame it on me this time. sorry budd but the only one not learning anything is you. if roy thinks that it is so cheep and easy prove it. he has one make it do it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

lol thats about the dumbest thing that i ever heard. first of all the ford and the dodge are far from equal. if your reasoning was valid then every nascar race would be won by the lightest driver since those cars are more equal than the ford and dodge. yes the lighter vehicle has the advantage but the amount of that advantage is dependant on the weight of the two vehicles compared to the difference between them. these two vehicles both weigh around 5000 lbs and the difference is less than 350 lbs so while the ford has the advantage it is not huge. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving yeah right sure tom. lets get two equal cars and race them. im 270 and youre probably less than that. if you are you would win. . . .even if the difference was only a few pounds. tom why do you suppose they try to remove all excess weight from racing cars hmmm budd tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. while true we are only talking about 330 lbs and when you are talking about objects weighing in at around 5000 lbs 330 aint shit. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

you could put a small sub panel 4 or 6 position right next to your main. then you could remove one of your 220 volt connections like your ac from your main and power it through the new sub and use the open slots from the original ac connection to power the sub next to the main with a 100a 220v breaker. with that you could then add an additional 60 amp 220v breaker in this new sub to feed a second sub in the garage for your tools. this is easy to do and will save you a fortune over having an electrician do it and should be completely within code. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving on sat 25 sep 2004 133003 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote snip is the delta 220 yup it is. tbone suggested i change out 4 full size breakers to the 1/2 size ones and then install a 220 breaker and run that line to the garage. sounds good but i only have 3 full size 110 breakers left. im on a 100 amp service. hmmmmm..... i do have two full size tied to be a 220 for the a/c and two pair of 1/2 size for my oven 220 and my dryer 220. maybe ill see if i can change out the full size two a/c breakers and make two 1/2 size breakers to feed 220 to the a/c and the garage. maybe a small subpanel and yes it will be with a permit but first things first. got to get the kids stuff into storage as soon as we both have the same time off. snip well so far besides my handy shopsmith i have a 10 cutoff saw 10 radial arm 4 belt/ 9 disk sander 1 belt sander/polisher/shaper and an old sears benchtop table saw that i keep a wobble dado blade in... the shopsmith slices dices and almost makes those faggy fries but its not a very good table saw if youre doing large pieces... i try to do the cutting on the other saws so i can leave the ss free for hortz. boring routing and lathe... bidding on ebay now for a biscuit jointer attachment for it too... add to that 2 6 benches an assembly/router table a roll away with chest a rolling shelf unit for parts bins and a lot of hand and small power tools and my 2/3 of the 2 car garage is pretty full.. just about everything but the work bench is on wheels so i do a lot of the work outside especially sanding.. actually im the one that hates to spend money... shes the one that gave me a nudge when i was deciding on a biscuit jointer and new saber saw... i think she likes the fact that im spending a lot of time at home now.. lol im way behind in garage toys for ww. dont have the room yet. you have a nice collection there. also taking the trailer back to storage today... had our last fling last weekend at deer creek in porterville with the local good sam group... no idea when well use it again since she goes to school year round.. mac we put our 5th in storage too but it is less than 2 miles away and ready on a moments notice. it is nice she is back in school but im sure she will need to get away for a weekend or two. keep the batteries charged up. -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : tbone

the fourth set this week and its only wednesday. if you try to run your saturday night cold plugs you foul them in no time. fuel distribution even with 2 four barrels was not the hemis strong point. add the weak stock intake valve stem seals and you have your reason for the plug changes. otoh i did know of one hemi back then that never fouled a plug in 18000 miles. it was a propane converted. propane distributes much better than gasoline. idle speed we had a term back then called the golden screwdriver. it wasnt an award it was a curse. if i had a buck for every carb ive had to reset because some dork decided he could make 300 more hp by just a little turn of the mixture screw i could have customized my old truck. with two carbs the hemi was a golden screwdriver experts dream. fyi about the same time another engine was catching flack over its induction system. why the same reason below average mechanics messing with a system they didnt understand. it was the 60s chevrolet ramjet mechanical fuel injection. powerful 375 hp/327 cubes efficient i remember one getting 26 mpg in a 64 vette and dependable the same unit never gave any trouble in over 80000 miles but darn near every vette owner just had to tinker with it. btw most of the street hemis also had mechanical valve adjusters and many owners would forget to adjust them . . . bad running stalling poor idle quality. transmission failures lets include rear axles and get them out of the way first; the original hemis came with the 8.75 axle which is quite strong and held up well on the street . . it just couldnt handle modified engines and 5000 rpm starts. so mopar went to the dana 60. nearly eliminated axle probs. the manual four speed the 833 was improved to handle the higher output and held up well in most classes. the torqueflite was beefed up as well. put a t-flite or 833 from a non-hemi application in and it was only a matter of time before it would let go. i like the new hemi. 16 spark plugs seamed to have solved plug fouling problems the new speed auto transmission works really nice even while pulling a 5th wheeler and its still got allot of power to fuck with the inferior chebys and fords out there. ive got 80k on mine now and havent had it die at an intersection yet. fuel injection improved fuel distribution which reduced fouling / burning. put f.i. on a 426 hemi and it doesnt screw up plugs any more. but they both got lousy gas mileage....in mopar nuthing changes when it comes to gas.... well it does have the aerodynamics of a truck and not a neon right drive over 55 mph and that truck shape hurts your mileage more than the higher engine speed does. i say sour fucking grapes....you pico commi anti-new hemi bastards!!!! my my. such language!!! i never said i hated the engine buster. i said it was not a true hemi and it isnt. got it for a 345 ci motor and 345 hp of course it doesnt perform like the 500hp older models... so in 1954 a 331 cube original style hemi cranked out 331 hp without all your fancy electronics and such. iow its been done before itll be done again. who cares i dont and i have. you seem to care do you have one i didnt think so.... so killfile me mister. if i remember correctly hemi ownership is not required for anyone to be a part of this group. besides my lebaron has a 3.0l ohc v-6 hemi under the hood with true half-spherical combustion chambers. aha!! thats it!!! you have half-balls envy. bg budd . 222 289980 dp5d.36594$ci3.1626472@twister.southeast.rr.com lol it is not spin budd and you know it. the fact is that the srt10 has 120 more hp than the lightning and until you can accurately determine how much of that hp is required to move that extra 330 lbs down the track your reasoning is still invalid. btw i thought that you were done with me. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving well in spite of your attempt to spin it thats what i did say . . .that is it will take more power for the heavier vehicle to stay with the lighter vehicle. budd that is correct budd but unless you are saying that it takes 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to move that extra 330 lbs then your reasoning is invalid. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving nor does your witty remark change the fact that the heavier vehicle would need more horsepower to stay even. budd tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. that would be the srt10. yea around 330 lbs big deal. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. dont confuse him with a bunch of letters. smart assed comments dont change facts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : smoove

on fri 24 sep 2004 130215 gmt tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote thats why they make oil filter relocation kits. i moved mine to the passenger side fender where it is easy to get at and doesnt make a mess changing it. i can also use the biggest damn filter that they make for cars without clearance problems. no need on the superduty.. i can reach in over the front left tire and spin it off by hand. the altitude of the truck and the incessant breeze is the problem. .

From : mac davis

really!!!!! where -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving uh-oh . . . .facts . . . . . lol budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. tom you are spending too much time touching yourself again. let me try it this way for me the last time believe whatever the hell you want. the performance was so close that a change in humidity could cause different results. again cool fuel cold air maybe a little more boost........... roy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

well budd please explain then why the ram with so much more hp and torque is only marginally better. perhaps because that is what it takes to get just this little bit more speed and acceleration in a 5000 lb vehicle. with your and roys reasoning every car should be running 10s on the track. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving that was the point roy was trying to get thru to t-bone. i think he needed a bigger hammer . . . budd tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff .

From : budd cochran

on sat 25 sep 2004 203130 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote can you just use the dryer plug or isnt it enough amps yup it is. tbone suggested i change out 4 full size breakers to the 1/2 size ones and then install a 220 breaker and run that line to the garage. sounds good but i only have 3 full size 110 breakers left. im on a 100 amp service. hmmmmm..... i do have two full size tied to be a 220 for the a/c and two pair of 1/2 size for my oven 220 and my dryer 220. maybe ill see if i can change out the full size two a/c breakers and make two 1/2 size breakers to feed 220 to the a/c and the garage. maybe a small subpanel and yes it will be with a permit but first things first. got to get the kids stuff into storage as soon as we both have the same time off. snip well so far besides my handy shopsmith i have a 10 cutoff saw 10 radial arm 4 belt/ 9 disk sander 1 belt sander/polisher/shaper and an old sears benchtop table saw that i keep a wobble dado blade in... the shopsmith slices dices and almost makes those faggy fries but its not a very good table saw if youre doing large pieces... i try to do the cutting on the other saws so i can leave the ss free for hortz. boring routing and lathe... bidding on ebay now for a biscuit jointer attachment for it too... add to that 2 6 benches an assembly/router table a roll away with chest a rolling shelf unit for parts bins and a lot of hand and small power tools and my 2/3 of the 2 car garage is pretty full.. just about everything but the work bench is on wheels so i do a lot of the work outside especially sanding.. actually im the one that hates to spend money... shes the one that gave me a nudge when i was deciding on a biscuit jointer and new saber saw... i think she likes the fact that im spending a lot of time at home now.. lol im way behind in garage toys for ww. dont have the room yet. you have a nice collection there. also taking the trailer back to storage today... had our last fling last weekend at deer creek in porterville with the local good sam group... no idea when well use it again since she goes to school year round.. mac we put our 5th in storage too but it is less than 2 miles away and ready on a moments notice. it is nice she is back in school but im sure she will need to get away for a weekend or two. keep the batteries charged up. mac .

From : budd cochran

budd you can think what you want. if you want to be insulted pissed off sore whatever then go for it. its not my problem. yes it is your problem you anti-social ingrate. you started the problem with your attitude filled remark about my opinion and now your running with your irresponsible tail between your legs. well run home to mommy. if you want to pull out all the patriotism stops and get all high and mighty thats your business. but dont go telling me what i am or am not as you dont know me at all. thinking you do is sheer foolishness on your part. i can observe what a pathetic little spoiled brat you are by what you post. because you havent the maturity to admit you can insult someone in a group only prooves me to be correct. youre an ankle biting little dweeb hiding behing a computer screen think you can say anything with impunity. its only usenet budd. and insults can be sent over it. think of it as a flame with meaning. but youve proved to my satisfaction that even if you did apologize you wouldnt have the guts to mean it. to you it would be just words. you are pathetic .

From : roy

on fri 24 sep 2004 175314 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd i agree with you as far them being toys. im not so sure about the status part. im not even sure what status they could symbolize. the redneck upper crust i think that they are just toys that boys want to play with. if they can afford it i have no problem with that. nor i. but imho they are not really worth much as a truck. my truck is just for hauling and towing but then that is because thats how i want to play with it. not really disagreeing with you budd i just think that choice of car truck or m/c is a beauty is in the eye of the beholder type of thing. lol cant argue with that but i think anyone with mildly customized to full custom 72-93 dodges ought to send pictures of them to truckin magazine . .. .in the latest issue they said they dont consider them to be good looking trucks though theyre no worse than the fords and gm of the same period. budd .

From : budd cochran

jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote in joe wrote roy roy@home.net wrote in tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. roy the lightings close to being maxed out as it is. with their new intercooler that runs off the a/c itll put out some hefty hp. but all the while the srt-10s still loafing. bolt a kb onto an srt-10 and youll kill any lightning. hmmm... maxed out they got 500 easy hp out of the gt. gobs of torque too. i suspect a version of that motor will find its way into the lightning. the current lightning motor not the same one thats in the gt is pushing the limits. theres not much more hp they can wring out of that thing without stuff breaking. my point was that the srt-10 has a lot more room to grow performance-wise than the lightning. btw if the gt motor ends up in the lightning you can expect to pay around $70k for the truck. theres a big difference between the gt motor and the lightning motor. i still cannot see ford giving up all the utility. jeff itll be interesting to see what ford does. as of now theres no svt division for 05. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : budd cochran

uh tom . . . . how much experience at drag racing do you have compared to roy iirc he has a whole bunch more than you. budd you know our tommy he has done everything. heres one i didnt toss at him. the drag coefficient. bet if i got it down a couple of inches closer to the pavement id grab1/2 a sec. hell the more i think about this id have more than 10k to play with.bfg lol wish i could be there and help ya friend. you play with him im done. i am too but he hasnt figured it out yet. budd .

From : budd cochran

that was the point roy was trying to get thru to t-bone. i think he needed a bigger hammer . . . budd tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff .

From : budd cochran

uh-oh . . . .facts . . . . . lol budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. tom you are spending too much time touching yourself again. let me try it this way for me the last time believe whatever the hell you want. the performance was so close that a change in humidity could cause different results. again cool fuel cold air maybe a little more boost........... roy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

well in spite of your attempt to spin it thats what i did say . . .that is it will take more power for the heavier vehicle to stay with the lighter vehicle. budd that is correct budd but unless you are saying that it takes 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to move that extra 330 lbs then your reasoning is invalid. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving nor does your witty remark change the fact that the heavier vehicle would need more horsepower to stay even. budd tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. that would be the srt10. yea around 330 lbs big deal. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. dont confuse him with a bunch of letters. smart assed comments dont change facts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

how so this engine is already fairly well maxed out already. to get another 100 or so hp out of it and have it actually hold up and behave like a daily driver is not gonna come cheep if at all and then there is the rest of the drive train to consider. didnt learn a thing from roy did ya please explain. in order to keep costs reasonable i doubt that there is much over design in the current lightning. if you crank up that engine another 100 or so hp you may push it past its long term endurance capabilities or over stress its transmission and rear axle. nope ya didnt. well ya cant blame it on me this time. budd .

From : bob

jerry wrote trey wrote jerry wrote trey wrote what are the oil change intervals with amsoil 12-20k miles or once a year ill tell you what that little book in the glove compartment called a owners manual says.................. it states even if you use synthetic oils you should follow the guide lines in the book. who do you want to trust the life of your engine to the maker of a mystery oil or the people who designed and built your engine jerry and who does the writer of that little book tell you to go to for that oil change it doesnt tell you to go anywhere ................... it only makes a recommendation but says if you do use oil other than mopar then you must use oil that meet the spec.s as described. but you already know that dont you. why are you worried about kragens profits they arent the one that will foot the bill when warranty work is denied to the yoyo dumb enough to fall for a amsoil or heaven forbid k&n advertisement crap. jerry notice i said the intervals were 7500 in the manual. not 3000. so changing the oil two and a half more times then factory spec with factory spec oil and changing the filter five times more then spec gives me nothing more then lost money. weather i change the oil at 7500 or 3000 the factory waranty will still be good. .

From : joe

greetings ken s. welcome to the fray. kensno space except between my ears diag code p0720 shows up as output speed sensor. chilton manual doesnt show location of this sensor and i do not have a shop manual. can anyone help thanks. ken s .

From : tbone

jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote in tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory. bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff i dont think ford will be offering an 05 lightning. i think you are correct. im hearing 06 at the earliest. roy yeah i read that svts taking a year off. big mistake imo. gives dc another year to tool up with some more good stuff. when svt comes back in theyll be a day late and a dollar short. actually it is the best move that they could make. despite the fantasies going on in here about magical upgrades that will make the lightning kick ass with little cost and no down side ford knows better. they need time to redesign the lightning to compete with the ram srt10 and want to make sure that they get it right. i doubt that they could do anything with the current design to be able to beat it and still remain reliable and if they release it in 05 in its current form then they will have to be in second place for two years instead of one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. that is the main point. it takes a lot of hp and torque to get there and a lot more to go just a little more. if that were not the case the srt10 would be killing the ford with the extra 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque it has considering it only weighs a little over 300 more pounds. for the lightning to beat the srt10 it is going to have to get damn close to these numbers or it aint gonna happen. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. not the way it is currently configured. if it was so easy to do what you suggest why do you think that dodge didnt do it -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

year dont want to spend another $100. cant be that hard any pics or words of help. alabama english probably la lower alabama politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : roy

jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote in tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory. bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff i dont think ford will be offering an 05 lightning. i think you are correct. im hearing 06 at the earliest. roy yeah i read that svts taking a year off. big mistake imo. gives dc another year to tool up with some more good stuff. when svt comes back in theyll be a day late and a dollar short. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : roy

uh tom . . . . how much experience at drag racing do you have compared to roy iirc he has a whole bunch more than you. budd you know our tommy he has done everything. heres one i didnt toss at him. the drag coefficient. bet if i got it down a couple of inches closer to the pavement id grab1/2 a sec. hell the more i think about this id have more than 10k to play with.bfg you play with him im done. roy budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. tom you are spending too much time touching yourself again. let me try it this way for me the last time believe whatever the hell you want. the performance was so close that a change in humidity could cause different results. again cool fuel cold air maybe a little more boost........... roy -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : joe

jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote in tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff i dont think ford will be offering an 05 lightning. i think you are correct. im hearing 06 at the earliest. roy joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : joe

i have an 89 dakota that i just bought used. the door that changes the air floor from floor to panel defroster etc. does not move. i changed the a/c control panel with no change. i suspect that there is no vacuum to the control panel but i cant find where it enters the cabin or connects under the hood. can anyone help thanks jim .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with i have one. its an 03 hemi 1500. ;- jeff yup and its specs are about the same as the lightning. until you get under the hood. roy .

From : joe

my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. sure they are toys if i kept the 25004x4 it would have become a toy. thing is i didnt have a need for something that big. oh i dont do shows nor do i worry about it. i buyem and useem. roy .

From : tbone

first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with budd the lightning is as much as a truck as most other 1/2 tons. it will pull in the area of 5000lbs and the bed will hold a 1/2 ton of whatever perhaps more. come the snow 4 blizzaks on it along with 400lbs. of weight in the back it will be a winter truck. roy .

From : burdenk

so lets see because i sell a product i cant ask for opinions on it wouldnt that actually be the responsible thing to do i blatantly asked for the negatives. not sure how this equates to me spamming. i asked specifically for evidence of either yes i sell the product but i also use it so that gives me every right to inquire to other people about their experiences. so with all do respect you guys can go fly a kite. i posted a very polite and humble post with no sales pitch whatsoever. i guess im being beaten on for other people that have posted here. and yes for those of you who actually will check me out i did make one spam post to this board my apologies for certain. i did this before i really had an understanding of how these boards worked. as for my original post my request still stands i would love to hear more of the bad from people with first hand knowledge like the forklift mechanic. i dont really care about your opinion of how the company is run but first hand experience with the product would be fantastic. you will never find that here. all you will get is personal opinion with no basis in fact. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : jeff mayner

budd you can think what you want. if you want to be insulted pissed off sore whatever then go for it. its not my problem. if you want to pull out all the patriotism stops and get all high and mighty thats your business. but dont go telling me what i am or am not as you dont know me at all. thinking you do is sheer foolishness on your part. its only usenet budd. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in so that gives you the right to cop an attitude your post that i first replied to was nothing but attitude. thats why i replied the way i did. iow back at cha. wrong joe it was my honest opinion like it or not. you copped the attitude. and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. what are you freakin kidding me youve gotta be on crack comparing a 36-year old car to a new truck. lol typical. accuse me of using drugs. the road runner had more towing and load capacity than some of these trucks thats why the comparison. thats sheer nonsense. and the reference to drugs was that no sane sober person in their right mind would seriously compare those two vehicles. it simply doesnt make sense. and claiming an honest opinion was an attitude wasnt sheer nonsense but i do stand by the comparison. that road runner was more truck than some so-called trucks. hey my 68 fury iii had a 10k tow cap with the trailer package and had a trunk you could party in. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it to use your own words you didnt have to read the post let alone respond to it. and guess what my opinions as good as yours. got it falsh joe. i had it first. had what first an opinion again so what ah now you want to call it what it was an opinion. you are the one with the attitude problem. like i said above budd i replied to your post that was nothing but attitude. i just gave it right back to you and you couldnt handle it. it appears that you still cant. lol you didnt give me nothing but your attitude about your misconception of what i posted. i stated my opinion of those trucks not my attitude. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. whoa. a tough guy. who drives a lebaron. and a gtc no less. all- rightyy then! bet youre proud as punch that you have idiots drooling all over you. its what you get for calling me a bastard even if you somehow think the misspelling reduces the meaning and intent. lol! ya might wanna lighten up there budd. sorry but my personal beliefs are to not use profanity to make my case. i dont take name calling lightly. my dad was a veteran of world war 2 my step-dad of world war 1 and my son the one that gave me the lebaron is a vet of iraqi freedom. lighten up this coming from the guy that attacked my opinion with his own attitude problem. yeah right. you need to do the lightening up. lol and what if i am proud of my lebaron hey go for it. those moron ricers are proud of their hondas and hyundais. why not a lebaron i should never have taught you the right way to spell moron . . itll be your favorite word until someone corrects another word for you. btw have you ever consdered how much of both of your vehicles is outsourced to japan and communist china i didnt think so. youre proud enough of what i consider to be a piece of junk to put it in your sigline. now thats a good one. a guy who drives a lebaron saying a dakota is a piece of junk in a dodge truck group no less. lol! lol well weve discovered you can guess wrong about something again. do you need another try it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. so what its still a pos car. so is your rustang. lol! budd your credibility is going down the drain real fast. but at least you just admitted that the lebaron is a pos. what if it is am i holding a gun to your head and making you drive it you really are nearly the lowest form of life in the group. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. typical. morans that cant handle different opinions from theirs have to resort to the personal crap. sosdd just life in usenet. who attacked whos opinion again why . . it was you. guess you couldnt handle my opinion either. what you call an attack was nothing more than me giving your at

From : budd cochran

does anyone have experience with the stage 1 for 2001 dodge/cummins rick .

From : joe

itll be hard to angle it roy. budd on fri 24 sep 2004 234030 gmt roy roy@home.net wrote first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with budd the lightning is as much as a truck as most other 1/2 tons. it will pull in the area of 5000lbs and the bed will hold a 1/2 ton of whatever perhaps more. come the snow 4 blizzaks on it along with 400lbs. of weight in the back it will be a winter truck. roy what size plow you gonna put on it bro *g* damn smartass ol hippy. ya ben hanging out with the rabbit to tell the truth bro if it snows ill air down the front tires and push with the air dam.bfg roy mac .

From : tbone

tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff .

From : joe

so that gives you the right to cop an attitude your post that i first replied to was nothing but attitude. thats why i replied the way i did. iow back at cha. wrong joe it was my honest opinion like it or not. you copped the attitude. and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. what are you freakin kidding me youve gotta be on crack comparing a 36-year old car to a new truck. lol typical. accuse me of using drugs. the road runner had more towing and load capacity than some of these trucks thats why the comparison. thats sheer nonsense. and the reference to drugs was that no sane sober person in their right mind would seriously compare those two vehicles. it simply doesnt make sense. and claiming an honest opinion was an attitude wasnt sheer nonsense but i do stand by the comparison. that road runner was more truck than some so-called trucks. hey my 68 fury iii had a 10k tow cap with the trailer package and had a trunk you could party in. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it to use your own words you didnt have to read the post let alone respond to it. and guess what my opinions as good as yours. got it falsh joe. i had it first. had what first an opinion again so what ah now you want to call it what it was an opinion. you are the one with the attitude problem. like i said above budd i replied to your post that was nothing but attitude. i just gave it right back to you and you couldnt handle it. it appears that you still cant. lol you didnt give me nothing but your attitude about your misconception of what i posted. i stated my opinion of those trucks not my attitude. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. whoa. a tough guy. who drives a lebaron. and a gtc no less. all- rightyy then! bet youre proud as punch that you have idiots drooling all over you. its what you get for calling me a bastard even if you somehow think the misspelling reduces the meaning and intent. lol! ya might wanna lighten up there budd. sorry but my personal beliefs are to not use profanity to make my case. i dont take name calling lightly. my dad was a veteran of world war 2 my step-dad of world war 1 and my son the one that gave me the lebaron is a vet of iraqi freedom. lighten up this coming from the guy that attacked my opinion with his own attitude problem. yeah right. you need to do the lightening up. lol and what if i am proud of my lebaron hey go for it. those moron ricers are proud of their hondas and hyundais. why not a lebaron i should never have taught you the right way to spell moron . . itll be your favorite word until someone corrects another word for you. btw have you ever consdered how much of both of your vehicles is outsourced to japan and communist china i didnt think so. youre proud enough of what i consider to be a piece of junk to put it in your sigline. now thats a good one. a guy who drives a lebaron saying a dakota is a piece of junk in a dodge truck group no less. lol! lol well weve discovered you can guess wrong about something again. do you need another try it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. so what its still a pos car. so is your rustang. lol! budd your credibility is going down the drain real fast. but at least you just admitted that the lebaron is a pos. what if it is am i holding a gun to your head and making you drive it you really are nearly the lowest form of life in the group. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. typical. morans that cant handle different opinions from theirs have to resort to the personal crap. sosdd just life in usenet. who attacked whos opinion again why . . it was you. guess you couldnt handle my opinion either. what you call an attack was nothing more than me giving your attitude right back to you. lol you dont want my attitude kid. lets see now what did you say that made a person oh yes . . a moron. actually budd youre not a moron. you just seem to have a bad attitude concerning trucks with power that handle well. thats what this whole thing is about. i simply called you on it. and who died and left you god dont like what i write ignore it and killfile me. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc oh . .wow... an 03 dak . . gee i suppose i ought to be impressed . . .ill ge

From : joe

roy roy@home.net wrote in tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. roy the lightings close to being maxed out as it is. with their new intercooler that runs off the a/c itll put out some hefty hp. but all the while the srt-10s still loafing. bolt a kb onto an srt-10 and youll kill any lightning. maxed out doubtful but who knows. i dont know roy. what else can they do to that thing theres not much more headroom in that engine for increased power. thing is that you could take some of the approx 15k that you saved in buying a lightning mod it a bit match the srt10 performance and still have a bunch of the 15k leftover. now thats a different story. only problem is that as soon as you start adding mods you have potential warranty issues with ford. for that matter why not just build a nice 60s truck with a 500hp crate motor also youd still have a truck that you can tow with and load in other words it would still be useful as a truck. simply not an issue for me. i dont think of these trucks as traditional trucks at all. to me theyre street racers. if im going to tow and haul i certainly wouldnt use a lightning or an srt-10. then again unless you spend your life on a strip the difference in performance isnt all that noticable on the street. actually most would never use all the performance that either truck can produce so it comes down to the 15k difference in price and the the ability to function as a truck. roy i think the big thing here is that some people expect these trucks to be two different vehicles. i think theyre street racers and thats all. sure i can go to home depot and throw some stuff in the back but theyre not trucks in the traditional sense at all. as for the performance talk to any performance vehicle enthusiast. you can never have too much power. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : budd cochran

uh tom . . . . how much experience at drag racing do you have compared to roy iirc he has a whole bunch more than you. budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

yeah right sure tom. lets get two equal cars and race them. im 270 and youre probably less than that. if you are you would win. . . .even if the difference was only a few pounds. tom why do you suppose they try to remove all excess weight from racing cars hmmm budd tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. while true we are only talking about 330 lbs and when you are talking about objects weighing in at around 5000 lbs 330 aint shit. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

oldbluein2 wrote hey everyone ive found a 2002 dodge ram wagon 15 passenger van at a dealership nearby and considering making the purchase. it has 34000 miles on it and remains under factory warranty until march 05 or 36000 miles. im also looking to getting and extended warranty on the van. it has all the bells and whistles i can think of but wasnt sure if there are any ideas you all might have experience with or suggestions for this make/model dodge. any problems i should be aware of of this last year model 15 pass van any advice would really be appreciated! thanks! brad i may be wrong but this one smells like a lemon. the previous owner may have had frequent trouble with it and traded it off just before the warranty expired. the dealer might show you a maintenance report of all the service repairs and recalls done by dodge if you ask. if he wont do that i would avoid it. if you do decide to buy this one try to get the factory warranty extended. 2000 miles or 6 months will pass very quickly. be leery of third party maintenance contracts. .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. maybe to you but so what the bottom line is that theyre fast-as- shit vehicles that have their place just like any other vehicle. dont like em dont buy em or ride in em. and you didnt have to read my reply so whats your point i stated my opinion. sit on it and spin. flash there budd. i did the same as you - stated an opinion. so that gives you the right to cop an attitude your post that i first replied to was nothing but attitude. thats why i replied the way i did. iow back at cha. and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. what are you freakin kidding me youve gotta be on crack comparing a 36-year old car to a new truck. lol typical. accuse me of using drugs. the road runner had more towing and load capacity than some of these trucks thats why the comparison. thats sheer nonsense. and the reference to drugs was that no sane sober person in their right mind would seriously compare those two vehicles. it simply doesnt make sense. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it to use your own words you didnt have to read the post let alone respond to it. and guess what my opinions as good as yours. got it falsh joe. i had it first. had what first an opinion again so what you are the one with the attitude problem. like i said above budd i replied to your post that was nothing but attitude. i just gave it right back to you and you couldnt handle it. it appears that you still cant. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. whoa. a tough guy. who drives a lebaron. and a gtc no less. all- rightyy then! bet youre proud as punch that you have idiots drooling all over you. its what you get for calling me a bastard even if you somehow think the misspelling reduces the meaning and intent. lol! ya might wanna lighten up there budd. lol and what if i am proud of my lebaron hey go for it. those moron ricers are proud of their hondas and hyundais. why not a lebaron youre proud enough of what i consider to be a piece of junk to put it in your sigline. now thats a good one. a guy who drives a lebaron saying a dakota is a piece of junk in a dodge truck group no less. lol! it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. so what its still a pos car. so is your rustang. lol! budd your credibility is going down the drain real fast. but at least you just admitted that the lebaron is a pos. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. typical. morans that cant handle different opinions from theirs have to resort to the personal crap. sosdd just life in usenet. who attacked whos opinion again why . . it was you. guess you couldnt handle my opinion either. what you call an attack was nothing more than me giving your attitude right back to you. lets see now what did you say that made a person oh yes . . a moron. actually budd youre not a moron. you just seem to have a bad attitude concerning trucks with power that handle well. thats what this whole thing is about. i simply called you on it. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc oh . .wow... an 03 dak . . gee i suppose i ought to be impressed . . .ill get back to you on that but dont hold your breath. budd so wheres the lebaron in your sig there budd do you even drive a vehicle that on topic in this group dude get a life. and watch out for those srt-10s. theyll run your lebaron ass right off the road. well gee joe-nanny. tell me where you think theres a rule you have to own a truck to be in this group rules have nothing to do with it budd. im just wondering where you come off with a pissy attitude about fast trucks without even owning a vehicle thats on-topic in this group. in eight years ive been here there has been 20 or more people drift in and out of here that never owned a truck or even had other brands of trucks. there was for example old f-350 wanna guess what he drove that now drives a freightliner and is still welcomed here. i didnt even have

From : roy

hey everyone ive found a 2002 dodge ram wagon 15 passenger van at a dealership nearby and considering making the purchase. it has 34000 miles on it and remains under factory warranty until march 05 or 36000 miles. im also looking to getting and extended warranty on the van. it has all the bells and whistles i can think of but wasnt sure if there are any ideas you all might have experience with or suggestions for this make/model dodge. any problems i should be aware of of this last year model 15 pass van any advice would really be appreciated! thanks! brad .

From : roy

thanks red. i really never followed fords that closely so this is to me. i only knew something about ford complaint was about not being ready to compete against the hemis. hell nobody was ready to match those friggin things. thats why it pisses me off that they are trying to convince people that the hemi of today is like real hemi. roy budd 70 or 71 iirc. it was about a year before ford got the sohc engine into a limited drag racing use and about the time they announced the ford cobra jet engine. ford actually had the 427 sohc engine in 1964 but they got caught in the limited production deal also but ford chose not to make 500 or more cars with 427 sohc engines. 428 cobra jet engines came out in the 1968 mustang and torino 429 boss engines came out in 1969 were installed in mustangs for production purposes for nascar 429 cobra jet and super cobra jet street version engines came out in 1970 in the torino politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : tbone

on sat 25 sep 2004 133003 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote snip is the delta 220 yup it is. tbone suggested i change out 4 full size breakers to the 1/2 size ones and then install a 220 breaker and run that line to the garage. sounds good but i only have 3 full size 110 breakers left. im on a 100 amp service. hmmmmm..... i do have two full size tied to be a 220 for the a/c and two pair of 1/2 size for my oven 220 and my dryer 220. maybe ill see if i can change out the full size two a/c breakers and make two 1/2 size breakers to feed 220 to the a/c and the garage. maybe a small subpanel and yes it will be with a permit but first things first. got to get the kids stuff into storage as soon as we both have the same time off. snip well so far besides my handy shopsmith i have a 10 cutoff saw 10 radial arm 4 belt/ 9 disk sander 1 belt sander/polisher/shaper and an old sears benchtop table saw that i keep a wobble dado blade in... the shopsmith slices dices and almost makes those faggy fries but its not a very good table saw if youre doing large pieces... i try to do the cutting on the other saws so i can leave the ss free for hortz. boring routing and lathe... bidding on ebay now for a biscuit jointer attachment for it too... add to that 2 6 benches an assembly/router table a roll away with chest a rolling shelf unit for parts bins and a lot of hand and small power tools and my 2/3 of the 2 car garage is pretty full.. just about everything but the work bench is on wheels so i do a lot of the work outside especially sanding.. actually im the one that hates to spend money... shes the one that gave me a nudge when i was deciding on a biscuit jointer and new saber saw... i think she likes the fact that im spending a lot of time at home now.. lol im way behind in garage toys for ww. dont have the room yet. you have a nice collection there. also taking the trailer back to storage today... had our last fling last weekend at deer creek in porterville with the local good sam group... no idea when well use it again since she goes to school year round.. mac we put our 5th in storage too but it is less than 2 miles away and ready on a moments notice. it is nice she is back in school but im sure she will need to get away for a weekend or two. keep the batteries charged up. -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : jeff mayner

on fri 24 sep 2004 174916 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote i see a very large difference between his shop and my garage besides the very nice assortment of toys he has. he has floor space. i can see it in almost every photo. i should have some floor space soon my son just got a storage garage at one of those storage places so we can move a lot of his stuff out. it will be nice to be able to have workspace in the garage again... im amazed how much space he has considering the amount of tools and the fact that his building is 18 x 18 when our daughter-in-law and the kids were living with us we put up a 10 x 14 shed in the back.. really saved the garage!! mac .

From : tbone

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. because in order to shave off those couple of tenths more than it already does you are going to need that extra 125 hp. cool fuel and cold air. done. lol yea right. keep dreaming. it aint gonna happen when you are this far up the performance scale. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

diag code p0720 shows up as output speed sensor. chilton manual doesnt show location of this sensor and i do not have a shop manual. can anyone help thanks. ken s .

From : roy

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. why would i need another 125hp all i need is to shave a couple of tenths. cool fuel and cold air. done. roy .

From : roy

tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. that would be the srt10. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. dont confuse him with a bunch of letters. roy budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

on sat 25 sep 2004 170727 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. budd and theyre off. tbone on the inside rail budd coming up hard on the outside as they round the first corner. tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. b

From : mac davis

just curious budd did the monkey really record and analyze the multitude of data required to state no improvement budd cochran wrote fyi a factory i worked at in the 70s used amsoil in 3 of 20 gasoline powered forklifts for 6 mos running 24 / 7 with no improvement in performance economy or longevity. .

From : theguy

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. roy the lightings close to being maxed out as it is. with their new intercooler that runs off the a/c itll put out some hefty hp. but all the while the srt-10s still loafing. bolt a kb onto an srt-10 and youll kill any lightning. maxed out doubtful but who knows. thing is that you could take some of the approx 15k that you saved in buying a lightning mod it a bit match the srt10 performance and still have a bunch of the 15k leftover. i think that you are dreaming now roy. why would you say that a kb and a flash will make up the difference between the two. i would probably spend 5k at most for that. 10k to go tom. you havent spent any time in either truck have you doubtful you can notice the difference in performance of the trucks by the sop dyno. also youd still have a truck that you can tow with and load in other words it would still be useful as a truck. i doubt that. if you up the hp of the lightning to that of the ram srt10 and still keep it streetable and then try to tow or haul with it you are probably going to break something. why do you drive all your hi-po toys at wot all the time then again unless you spend your life on a strip the difference in performance isnt all that noticable on the street. actually most would never use all the performance that either truck can produce so it comes down to the 15k difference in price and the the ability to function as a truck. on this we agree but that was not dodges intention. they wanted the fastest truck period and did what needed to be done to accomplish it. if ford wants to match it they will have to do the same. not really a truck more of a funny looking car that costs about as much as a 1 year old z06. roy .

From : budd cochran

so lets see because i sell a product i cant ask for opinions on it the people to talk to are your customers not a group. you want experiences with the product that you can trust because you can see the consumer face to face. this is one of the problems with getting into mlms . . they dont require and often prevent for example amway you from applying good business practices. he already said that his customers love the product. he is trying to find people who used it and were not happy and why. yep. from my experience he got one of the negatives he asked for and from my business experience i know he may not be getting full info from his customer base. typically only 10 -13% reply to surveys. wouldnt that actually be the responsible thing to do product evaluation is improtant bt maybe you should look on the net for any info including the negative sites. for example look at the sites that are anti-amway theres plenty of them. he is trying to do the research but is only getting bogus responces like yours. what does amway have to do with any of this it sounds like you are just bitter about amway. how is my experience as a forklift mechanic bogus we used amsoil it failed. typically a forklift will wear at a rate three to ten times that of an automotive engine so in a short period we had more wear with the amsoil engines than we should have . . .how is that not a useful source of info if i were still working at that factory i could give engine hour log records but i dont. i blatantly asked for the negatives. and i gave you a negative reply whats the problem be glad i usually dont even respond to spammers and dont normally report them to their isps. please explain exactly how amsoil failed. a failed to live up to advertised claims. the distriubutor worked for the factory as well as sold amsoil and gave up on amsoil after hearing the results. the factorys corporate headquarters considered suing amsoil for damages. b engines wore more rapidly than when standard oil co 10w-40 was used. iirc in the 6 months those three trucks needed two overhauls fyi they ran 24/7 to one and a half for the standard oil lubed engines. c amsoil cost more because the distributor would or couldnt give volume discounts and fuel economy was no better either. that was enough for us to discontinue the use. i posted a very polite and humble post with no sales pitch whatsoever. right. . . . in your opinion. if you had investigated amsoil more closely you would not have been so likely to fall for their sales pitches. how can he do that when all he gets in responce to his questions is bs like this. tom youre trying to start another argument. im giving facts from personal experience and from my business experience. youre the one doing the bs. what help did you give have you used amsoil have you had a negative experience with it and yes for those of you who actually will check me out i did make one spam post to this board my apologies for certain. then you return with this thing and wonder why you got jumped about it .. . . .duh. this thing is a valid question and you jumped on him because you dont have a valid answer. right tom. my personal experience is not a valid answer according to you. well we see now who really is trying to start the argument. s for my original post my request still stands i would love to hear more of the bad from people with first hand knowledge like the forklift mechanic. hello that was me. i used to be the forklift mechanic. i saw the results first hand. ok and what exactly were the results. according to you it did no worse than the dino oil in the others. did you have an oil analysis done on these fork lifts after changing it what were the results compared to the dino oil tom youre nitpicking just to start an argument. it was back in 73 or 74. no oil analysis was done but rebuild records were. and i just gave the results. the reason for saying it was no better was simply because the factory environment was such that engines often failed . . it was the the fact that those three engines had all been freshly rebuilt and didnt last as long as other engines on the same production lines running dino oil. the whole reason for even trying to use amsoil was based on an attempt to reduce engine rebuild costs we averaged 17 rebuilds / year on 20 gas powered forklifts. oil / filter changes were done twice monthly fyi i dont really care about your opinion of how the company is run but first hand experience with the product would be fantastic. you should be. typically the downlines thats you of mlms bust a gut trying to make money but it ends up making the fat boys on top rich. thats the primary clue of the schemes pyramid origins. lol that is the way it works in all big business budd. the workers bust their buts trying to make a living while the execs ca

From : tbone

10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . 222 289918 jbh5d.4982$gj.1599@01.roc.ny tom whichever one is the heavier truck is the one that will need the higher horsepower. if aa/fds weighed the same as a 65 caddy theyd still be trying to break 200.mph. budd tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morni

From : mac davis

the punishment for poligamy is quite appropriate; more than one set of inlaws! scott. that would be the opposite end of the scale from getting married 4 times to 4 different women and having the same in-laws each time g politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .

From : smoove

yofuri wrote theres a lot cheaper and easier way to do it http//www.bestbrakecontroller.com/ that senses the position of the brake pedal. problem with these type of controllers is that braking force is not linear to pedal position. the controller can only guess the relationship between pedal position and braking force being applied to the tv and adjust the tts brakes accordingly. would you be so kind as to explain precisely how braking force is linear to brake hydraulic pressure or deceleration be sure to include abs-equipped vehicles in your explanation just in case any of us should own one. rick .

From : budd cochran

on fri 24 sep 2004 174916 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote i see a very large difference between his shop and my garage besides the very nice assortment of toys he has. he has floor space. i can see it in almost every photo. i should have some floor space soon my son just got a storage garage at one of those storage places so we can move a lot of his stuff out. it will be nice to be able to have workspace in the garage again... im amazed how much space he has considering the amount of tools and the fact that his building is 18 x 18 when our daughter-in-law and the kids were living with us we put up a 10 x 14 shed in the back.. really saved the garage!! mac i have a 14 x 10 pad in the back that ill build a shed on one of these days and store more of my wifes stuff out there. i would like to use a garage for project tools and maybe even a car imagin that i also need to run 220 service into the garage. im not so sure i can do it from the current panel in the house cause it is so full already. i even looked at taking full size 15 or 20 amp breakers and changing them out to 1/2 size breakers and it still doesnt look good. i know a few electricians at work that do this kind of thing on the side so ill prob go that way and with a permit. i want it done right the first time. so what are you going to fill the garage with table saw jointer planer drill press dust/chip collector and more you need to tell your future attorney you need all these to custom make her new shingle and all the other stuff you will be making is just for practice. bg -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : roy

budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. maybe to you but so what the bottom line is that theyre fast-as- shit vehicles that have their place just like any other vehicle. dont like em dont buy em or ride in em. and you didnt have to read my reply so whats your point i stated my opinion. sit on it and spin. flash there budd. i did the same as you - stated an opinion. so that gives you the right to cop an attitude and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. what are you freakin kidding me youve gotta be on crack comparing a 36-year old car to a new truck. lol typical. accuse me of using drugs. the road runner had more towing and load capacity than some of these trucks thats why the comparison. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it to use your own words you didnt have to read the post let alone respond to it. and guess what my opinions as good as yours. got it falsh joe. i had it first. you are the one with the attitude problem. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. whoa. a tough guy. who drives a lebaron. and a gtc no less. all- rightyy then! bet youre proud as punch that you have idiots drooling all over you. its what you get for calling me a bastard even if you somehow think the misspelling reduces the meaning and intent. lol and what if i am proud of my lebaron youre proud enough of what i consider to be a piece of junk to put it in your sigline. it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. so what its still a pos car. so is your rustang. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. typical. morans that cant handle different opinions from theirs have to resort to the personal crap. sosdd just life in usenet. who attacked whos opinion again why . . it was you. guess you couldnt handle my opinion either. lets see now what did you say that made a person oh yes . . a moron. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc oh . .wow... an 03 dak . . gee i suppose i ought to be impressed . . .ill get back to you on that but dont hold your breath. budd so wheres the lebaron in your sig there budd do you even drive a vehicle that on topic in this group dude get a life. and watch out for those srt-10s. theyll run your lebaron ass right off the road. well gee joe-nanny. tell me where you think theres a rule you have to own a truck to be in this group in eight years ive been here there has been 20 or more people drift in and out of here that never owned a truck or even had other brands of trucks. there was for example old f-350 wanna guess what he drove that now drives a freightliner and is still welcomed here. i didnt even have a truck when i first joined the group. the son that gave me the lebaron had a 68 dodge 3/4 ton that he was looking for info on and i found the group back then. my ride at the time was a 68 fury. get a life you say i hate to tell you thus but slamming a persons gift from a child means you have far less of a life than i have. it puts you in that class of slime found under toxic waste barrels. budd .

From : jeff mayner

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. roy the lightings close to being maxed out as it is. with their new intercooler that runs off the a/c itll put out some hefty hp. but all the while the srt-10s still loafing. bolt a kb onto an srt-10 and youll kill any lightning. maxed out doubtful but who knows. thing is that you could take some of the approx 15k that you saved in buying a lightning mod it a bit match the srt10 performance and still have a bunch of the 15k leftover. also youd still have a truck that you can tow with and load in other words it would still be useful as a truck. then again unless you spend your life on a strip the difference in performance isnt all that noticable on the street. actually most would never use all the performance that either truck can produce so it comes down to the 15k difference in price and the the ability to function as a truck. roy .

From : joe

you didnt mention where the noise is coming from. u joint failure at your mileage would be unusual. do not discount your brakes or engine mounts. both can cause similar indications. rumble on the other hand indicates a wheel bearing failure. on the brakes look for warped rotors and vibration on the pedal when using the brakes. these are best checked with a dial indicator. on the engine mounts check that the rubber has not let go or the bolts are not loose. engine misalignment will cause the drive shaft u joints to complain bitterly especially under acceleration. on the wheel bearings the rumble will be more or less pronounced when turning the vehicle at lower speeds with moderate lateral acceleration. more rumble when turning left indicates right front. when turning right the left front. when replacing u joints specify ones with a grease nipple at the center of the yoke. they dont cost anymore than without. steve truck 20k miles vibrates 22-28 32-38 and around 50 accellerating or decellerating with rumbling sound. at lower speeds theres a squeak. at very low speeds 5 mph or less going by a wall or building squeaking seems to come at a rate which would be about driveshaft speed.sure seems like u-joints to me. this has been going on for several months but is intermittent. naturally its worked fine when taken in to the dealer service dept. luckily this week they road tested it and it acted exactly as described and they are leaning toward u-joints but are backed up with work. beside looking for any suggestions this group might have i have the service manual and it says the joints are lubricated for the life of the vehicle. even though the warranty is gone by now assuming we find evidence of lack of lubrication doesnt this imply a flaw which the manufacturer should cover tia .

From : budd cochran

budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. maybe to you but so what the bottom line is that theyre fast-as- shit vehicles that have their place just like any other vehicle. dont like em dont buy em or ride in em. and you didnt have to read my reply so whats your point i stated my opinion. sit on it and spin. flash there budd. i did the same as you - stated an opinion. and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. what are you freakin kidding me youve gotta be on crack comparing a 36-year old car to a new truck. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it to use your own words you didnt have to read the post let alone respond to it. and guess what my opinions as good as yours. got it my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. whoa. a tough guy. who drives a lebaron. and a gtc no less. all- rightyy then! bet youre proud as punch that you have idiots drooling all over you. it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. so what its still a pos car. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. typical. morans that cant handle different opinions from theirs have to resort to the personal crap. sosdd just life in usenet. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc oh . .wow... an 03 dak . . gee i suppose i ought to be impressed . . .ill get back to you on that but dont hold your breath. budd so wheres the lebaron in your sig there budd do you even drive a vehicle that on topic in this group dude get a life. and watch out for those srt-10s. theyll run your lebaron ass right off the road. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc calypso green 93 mustang 5.0 lx hatch with a few goodies .

From : budd cochran

howling motor sports wrote does anybody have any experience towing off the bumper of a ram 1500 i have an 03 2wd quad cab and have heard differing opinions. one is you can tow up to i think it is 6000 #s off the bumper but then the dealer told me i couldnt tow anything with brakes off the bumper. but who in their right mind would tow 6000 #s without brakes i am towing an 1800 # trailer empty about 4000#s loaded up and it has the inertia brakes or whatever the hydraulic things built into it. does anybody have any experience with this dan www.howlingmotorsports.com i used to have a 95 ram. the bumper was rated pretty high cant remember the exact rating but it was surprisingly high. that was one of the advantages of the ram. you didnt need the weight bulk or expense of a receiver hitch for that once every year or two hauling job. anyway i hitched a u-haul car trailer to the bumper put a 66 mustang on the trailer and hauled it across the country without any problems. i used that bumper every once in a while to tow a variety of things with. it was very handy. would a receiver hitch be better doubt it. sure would have been more expensive though. check the ratings on the bumper and in the owners manual. as long as youre not exceeding them go for it. the only problem is that the bumper on a 4x4 can be a little high for some trailers. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : budd cochran

first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with budd the lightning is as much as a truck as most other 1/2 tons. it will pull in the area of 5000lbs and the bed will hold a 1/2 ton of whatever perhaps more. come the snow 4 blizzaks on it along with 400lbs. of weight in the back it will be a winter truck. roy now did you forget what i hauled over vail pass with my little 318 powered d-150 bg i was over the rear axle capacity by close to a half ton let alone the 10k pounds i had on the hitch in the 6 x 12 u-haul trailer. now thats a truck to me. and in reality the d-150s are just a 1/2 ton with heavier springs. budd .

From : roy

budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote in my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. maybe to you but so what the bottom line is that theyre fast-as- shit vehicles that have their place just like any other vehicle. dont like em dont buy em or ride in em. and you didnt have to read my reply so whats your point i stated my opinion. sit on it and spin. and fast as sh** big deal. my 68 road runner was nearly as fast and only cost $3700 new. for you or anyone to get all huffy because theyre called trucks is bullshit. trucks are more than what they used to be. time to get with it there budd. time for you to get with it and learn that i dont have to share your opinion. got it my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd well aint you one lucky bastid. yeah i am except you made a mistake i knew my father. it was given to me for my 57 th birthday by my eldest son when he returned home from his navy stint. you should be so lucky as to have a child that when he grows up cares that much for you but judging from this post i doubt you will. joe black 03 dakota 5.9 r/t cc oh . .wow... an 03 dak . . gee i suppose i ought to be impressed . . .ill get back to you on that but dont hold your breath. budd .

From : roy

tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. roy .

From : tbone

howling motor sports wrote does anybody have any experience towing off the bumper of a ram 1500 i have an 03 2wd quad cab and have heard differing opinions. one is you can tow up to i think it is 6000 #s off the bumper but then the dealer told me i couldnt tow anything with brakes off the bumper. but who in their right mind would tow 6000 #s without brakes i am towing an 1800 # trailer empty about 4000#s loaded up and it has the inertia brakes or whatever the hydraulic things built into it. does anybody have any experience with this why not install a standard hitch they are not that expensive. with 4000lbs youll also want a weight distribution hitch. otherwise handling will be poor since your front end of your truck will lighten. also its probably safe to assume the hitch height is considerably higher than your trailer. .

From : budd cochran

thanks red. i really never followed fords that closely so this is to me. i only knew something about ford complaint was about not being ready to compete against the hemis. hell nobody was ready to match those friggin things. thats why it pisses me off that they are trying to convince people that the hemi of today is like real hemi. roy i have to agree. the new hemi isnt really a hemi with those fillers in the sides of the combustion chambers. its more of a two valve pentroof. and i think its wrong to factor an engine out of competitiveness or ban it outright like mopar has been done so many times. just kick your engineers in the butt to wake up their brains and ask two questions what have you been doing and why are we losing in the races budd is this bait or can you not afford one either of course its a different motor. why would they make the same thing having to change spark plugs ever 5000 miles or waiting for the thing to die from a lousy idle speed or tearing up the transmission cause the torque was too much for it. i like the new hemi. 16 spark plugs seamed to have solved plug fouling problems the new speed auto transmission works really nice even while pulling a 5th wheeler and its still got allot of power to fuck with the inferior chebys and fords out there. ive got 80k on mine now and havent had it die at an intersection yet. but they both got lousy gas mileage....in mopar nuthing changes when it comes to gas.... i say sour fucking grapes....you pico commi anti-new hemi bastards!!!! for a 345 ci motor and 345 hp of course it doesnt perform like the 500hp older models... who cares i dont and i have. you seem to care do you have one i didnt think so.... -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : budd cochran

so lets see because i sell a product i cant ask for opinions on it the people to talk to are your customers not a group. you want experiences with the product that you can trust because you can see the consumer face to face. this is one of the problems with getting into mlms . .. they dont require and often prevent for example amway you from applying good business practices. what do your customers say wouldnt that actually be the responsible thing to do product evaluation is improtant bt maybe you should look on the net for any info including the negative sites. for example look at the sites that are anti-amway theres plenty of them. i blatantly asked for the negatives. and i gave you a negative reply whats the problem be glad i usually dont even respond to spammers and dont normally report them to their isps. not sure how this equates to me spamming. i asked specifically for evidence of either yes i sell the product but i also use it so that gives me every right to inquire to other people about their experiences. the mentioning that you sell the product gives credence of a possible spam. again your best source is your own customer base and your refund records. so with all do respect you guys can go fly a kite. thank you i will. its a relaxing hobby you know. i posted a very polite and humble post with no sales pitch whatsoever. right. . . . in your opinion. if you had investigated amsoil more closely you would not have been so likely to fall for their sales pitches. i guess im being beaten on for other people that have posted here. possibly i just dislike spamming myself and anything that smells of it. and yes for those of you who actually will check me out i did make one spam post to this board my apologies for certain. then you return with this thing and wonder why you got jumped about it . . .. .duh. i did this before i really had an understanding of how these boards worked. this is why its suggested to many new users of groups to lurk for as long as required to make sure you understand how the group works. each group has its own personality if you will and as such what works in one group may get yoiu run out of town in another. s for my original post my request still stands i would love to hear more of the bad from people with first hand knowledge like the forklift mechanic. hello that was me. i used to be the forklift mechanic. i saw the results first hand. what you expected an unschooled knuckle-dragging grease monkey sorry but i left my bananas in my other bib-overalls. i dont really care about your opinion of how the company is run but first hand experience with the product would be fantastic. you should be. typically the downlines thats you of mlms bust a gut trying to make money but it ends up making the fat boys on top rich. thats the primary clue of the schemes pyramid origins. so what do you really want to have a comfortable income to be rich to just be self-employed then figure out what you like to do that you can make an income with it. do something that is your unique idea check for a market then go from there. if you need it check into a business course at a local college or high school. oh in case youre wondering i was in amway twice before i learned this little secret and ive had three successful businesses of my own. not bad for a dumb ol grease monkey right vbg budd mlms but modified if any ponzie pyramids. no one has answered the question as to why they choose not to have it api certified. because it cant pass the tests budd .

From : roy

roy wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg roy what roy says makes good sense. i looked at the dodge and thought that with all the limitations and a regular cab make for a very limited use vehicle. i suppose if youre a rich guy and can afford to have a toy only its pretty cool. otherwise too much money for not enough truck. i do like the stick though. if your c1500 is almost done finich it and drive it for a while. then if you want an expensive toy buy a used viper. -- ..bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1983 gmc jimmy - mountain beater 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1966 ffr cobra - ongoing project .

From : john robertson

i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg roy .

From : theguy

budd cochran wrote first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with i have one. its an 03 hemi 1500. ;- jeff budd i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg roy .

From : budd cochran

on fri 24 sep 2004 175314 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@citlinkspam.net wrote my point was that the lightning the srt-10 the cyclone et al are just toys status symbols. worth nothing except to park on the grass at a show or spend all your time worrying if some punks going to steal it. my last truck was as found in my sig 79 d-150 318 auto long bed. i now drive a 95 lebaron gtc which all the ricer wannabes drool over. budd i agree with you as far them being toys. im not so sure about the status part. im not even sure what status they could symbolize. i think that they are just toys that boys want to play with. if they can afford it i have no problem with that. my truck is just for hauling and towing but then that is because thats how i want to play with it. not really disagreeing with you budd i just think that choice of car truck or m/c is a beauty is in the eye of the beholder type of thing. owning a truck just to haul and tow with. imho that way of thinking went away with the mini-truck fad in the mid 80s. then the yuppie soccer moms jumped on the big vehicle bandwagon. a soccer mom who lives in the middle of a city and has nothing she needs to tow should not be driving a f350 4door or a 2500 series 4door just to move kids around. in arizona people buy trucks just because. i have lived buy the rule of if its a 2 wheel drive drop it and if its a 4 wheel drive lift it. i personally can not leave a vehicle stock. first off i agree with you about the actual use-ability of the srt-10. it never ceases to amaze me that while at one time owning a pickup was looked down upon sorry but we dont allow pick ups in this community. its now fashionable and if the truck is less a truck than it should be the lightning isnt fully a truck either imho and more suited it is to canyon carving the better. what ever happened to owning a truck just to haul and tow with budd i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory.bfg roy .

From : tbone

given the well documented problems with dodge catalytic converters i was wondering if anyone had any experience or thoughts on aftermarket replacements such as the fat catz high flow cats being sold on ebay. ive read a thread or two on this list that make me wonder if its even legal ive got a 97 dodge dakota with 85k so its just past the warranty period. however this will be my 2nd cat. the first one went out around 30k. so i wonder does the 80k warranty apply to the truck or to the part since this cat only has 55k on it .

From : joe

steve; not well said..... dont you think that if the guy wanted to buy a service manual you should at least let him look at things a little closer and maybe save himself alot of trouble and expense. i suppose you were born with all your knowledge. if he screws something up doubtfull after reading the manual its his truck; he makes the payments on it.... i would rather have him look at something this simple and learn from it that to be abused at some dealership maybe even a five star like so many here have been and have experienced. yes hell learn that the ac evaporator is going to have condensation and that the waterpump isnt bolted to the firewall. he obviously didnt grow up in an environment were he had to learn these things and how to fix them; but you cant so read and not let him experience it. a couple of hours in the manual might save him $300-$400 at a dealership. -- and also your language is more offensive to some than his questions that are actually on topic. ---- -- dudlee brennfoerder edgar ne 68935 steve@carolinabreezehvac steve@removethis.carolinabreezehvac.com wrote for those whove been following my earlier saga i think its the water pump. it looks like its an aftermarket pump. i looked under the truck just now and saw a huge puddle. started the engine for about 45 seconds and saw h2o dripping out of the bottom... its passenger side mounted to the firewall so i guess it must be the waterpump even though it doesnt look like one. i was gonna let this one go...but.. first thats called an ac evap and you see condensation. this is something that most 16 year olds know and understand you said you ordered the service manual....great. its not going to do that much good as it assumes that you understand basics and you dont. take the fucking truck in and allow it to be tested by someone that knows what in hell they are doing..so far its clear you dont. .

From : roy

it could be a wheel bearing i have experinced that noise once and it turned out to be the wheel bearings hello all i am the proud new owner of a 1998 1500 ram 4x4. the truck has low miles for the year 71000 and is in very good shape overall. however one issue that i cant seem to resolve on my own is a growling noise while driving. it seems to happen when driving up steady inclines at around 50-51 mph although it has happened at higher speeds too. if i immediately let up on the gas pedal the noise goes away and if i then accelerate through that speed it doesnt seem to happen again until i settle back into that zone we have a few 50 mph roads around here that find me driving in that zone fairly often. at first it sounded like a vibrating cowling or something like that but after hearing it a few times i sense that it is meatier than that almost like gears not quite meshing. it seems to eminate from underneath the truck somewhere behind the cab. does anyone have any ideas on this thanks in advance... .

From : tbone

my 2003 1500 qc has the 26 gal tank though ive never ran it dry i did get it to take 24.9 gal once i wont go into the long story of how that happened. tank is 26 gal. low fuel warning and light come on at about 1/8 tank or 12.5% remaining. i know that when towing my tt i get around 10.5 mpg when the light comes on i got about 3.25 gal and 30 miles to find gas. i know that when not towing 17mpg i got 325 gal and about 50 miles to find gas. btw when traveling distance i carry a five gallon jerry can of fuel so i dont get into the same situation that resulted in the 24.9 gal fill. if your friend is fueling as soon as the light comes on he is right he wont get 26 gal into it. on wed 29 sep 2004 154044 -0400 asdf asdf@asdf.com wrote my friend who owns this truck says that it doesnt hold 98l total gas from the pump because the tank has to allow %15 for vapour. i mentioned something about my car being filled right up to the neck and over flowing and how i dont see a 15% difference because mine doesnt allow for vapour. pontiac states the tank size to be exactly what i have pumped in from the pump. give or take a litre it all came up because he said that he got 438km out of his truck on a full tank with 38km left to go city driving. doing some research i found this...... 2003 dodge ram 4x4 quad 6ft box 13 mpg city 17 mpg highway total gas tank 26 gallons * 13 miles = 338 miles to the tank city / 543.95 km per tank total gas tank 26 gallons * 17 miles = 442 miles to the tank highway / 711 km per tank 26 gallons - 15% = 22.1 gallons * 13 miles = 462km to the tank per city. you said you get 438km + 38 dte 478km per tank so youd be correct with the %15 vapour theory. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- 1996 sunfire se coupe 25 mpg city / 32 mpg highway total gas tank 15.2 gallons * 25 miles = 380 miles to the tank city / 611 km per tank total gas tank 15.2 gallons* 32 miles = 486.4 miles to the tank highway / 782.78 km per tank i get 678 - 690 per tank with city and highway mixed in. and i drive it hard so i would have to get less than what they would post cause im sure those numbers they post would be inflated with super gentle driving. 57.5 litres is my total tank capacity listed and i always stick in 53 - 55 litres from empty. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- so what is it then is he burning more than he should is he putting in less than it can hold or are they showing what it holds including 15% for vapour i will find this out. very misleading if they do include vapour! have a nice day. ldpoos@nopants.juno.com remove nopants to reply by direct e-mail; support the right to privacy and anti-spam projects. .

From : tbone

tbone t-bonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote in roy roy@home.net wrote in jeff mayner jeffmayner@yahoo.com wrote in tbone wrote tbone wrote i am thinking about buying the srt 10. my problem is i have spent 5 years working on building my 96 c1500 ext cab chevy truck. i am at the point where all i need to do is finish the motor. all it needs is a whipple super charger. but now i am thinking about the srt 10 since it has everything i want my chevy have. my question is should i sell the older truck and buy an srt. i am looking for opions about the srt. is it worth the money or should i finish the chevy. i have no preference when it comes to trucks as long as it is not a ford. i figure the super whipple would put me at about 480hp. im going to probably piss off the blind loyalty folks but heres my take on it. i looked long and hard at the srt 10. it is a looks like a truly impressive truck but it isnt really a truck. it is quick. now for the down side it will cost around 45k or they did when i was looking last april you cant tow with them you cant put more than 500lbs. in the bed. so say the dealer. warranty issues they say. they only come as a standard which can be a pia if you have to contend with traffic. the srt 10 is a few mph faster top end and a couple of tenths quicker in the quarter depending on what test you read than the lightning. you can tow with the lightning you can put a 1/2 ton in the bed. one other thing you can spend the 15k$ that you save on it on a nice hd you can probably guess that i bought a lightning. love the sound of the blower in the morning sounds like victory. bfg according to the guy on trucks ford is redoing the lightning to match power and speed with the srt10 in 05 or possibly 06 and with that will probably come the same limitations and pricing as the srt10. historically the lightning has had reasonable towing ability and the use of the bed though somewhat limited. why would they change now its the reason the lightning has been popular all along while others have come and gone. great performance and some utility at a reasonable price. i believe that it is a matter of status. for a long time ford was the king and now dodge has something that can beat it in power speed and handling. i believe that if dodge could have created this level of performance and made it fully usable as a truck they would have but as they say there is no such thing as a free lunch so instead they basically redesigned a viper with a truck body. if ford wants to regain its crown and compete with dodge on this level they will have to make some serious changes and give up the actual truck capability and stacy from trucks made it sound like that is their intention. not really tom. all ya have to do is change the pulleys to up the boost. or change the blower to a kb and go with a dyno tune a safer metheod. remember we are only talking a few mph and a few tenths.rumor is a total redesign and more hp some time in 06. while im sure that you can get a few more ponies out of it by doing what you suggested its probably not going to be enough to beat the srt10. you would have to gain another 120 hp and 75 ft-lbs of torque to match the dodge and its going to take more than swapping pulleys to do that and if you cant come close to these numbers you are not going to beat the dodge. as im sure you know when you push the limit on speed and acceleration it takes a lot more hp and torque to gain even a small increase in performance. i dont know why everyone seems to think that the ford has to have as much hp and tq as the srt. it has 380hp now and is real damn close in performance. i think the new lightning will be at least as quick and fast as the dodge. if they keep the cost under 40k and i think they will and keep the utility then imo ford will have the winner. jeff i dont think ford will be offering an 05 lightning. i think you are correct. im hearing 06 at the earliest. roy yeah i read that svts taking a year off. big mistake imo. gives dc another year to tool up with some more good stuff. when svt comes back in theyll be a day late and a dollar short. actually it is the best move that they could make. despite the fantasies going on in here about magical upgrades that will make the lightning kick ass with little cost and no down side ford knows better. they need time to redesign the lightning to compete with the ram srt10 and want to make sure that they get it right. i doubt that they could do anything with the current design to be able to beat it and still remain reliable and if they release it in 05 in its current form then they will have to be in second place for two years instead of one. guess well just have to see but i really dont think so not to mention that a division taking a year off doesnt sit well with the buying public. well it m

From : roy

i have a 1986 dodge ramcharger. the wiper motor recently went out and i have since replaced it with a used motor off of a 1985 dodge caravan. as best i can tell the motors are identical and the part lot gave me a list of all vehicles using the same part as an 86 ramcharger and that vehicle was on the list. the unit installed fine and when i plugged the battery back up and flipped the switch the motor turns in high low and timed. before i put the arms back on i observed that when the switch is turned off the motor rotated to itself to the off or wipers down position. when the switch is activated the posts onto which the wiper arms attach rotate counter-clockwise then clockwise. in other words the arms will go down then up. the arms attach so that the off position puts them pointing to the passenger side. unless i put the arms on pointing at the sky all i am wiping is the hood. i tried killing the power and moving the motor arm 180 degrees from where it was stopping wondering if it might hold that position when power was turned back on so that the arms would go up then down but that didnt work. is this motor turning backwords or is there something i can do to correct this problem kevin .

From : joe

check your vacuum harness connections for dry rot. i have an 89 dakota that i just bought used. the door that changes the air floor from floor to panel defroster etc. does not move. i changed the a/c control panel with no change. i suspect that there is no vacuum to the control panel but i cant find where it enters the cabin or connects under the hood. can anyone help thanks jim --- outgoing mail is certified virus free. checked by avg anti-virus system http//www.grisoft.com. version 6.0.769 / virus database 516 - release date 9/24/2004 .

From : beekeep

hello all. i have a 1997 dakota v6 5-speed manual transmission. can anyone tell me a which transmission this is does ax-15 sound right and b what are the gear ratios are for that unit im considering ordering a 2005 dakota with the 6-speed getrag manual and i need to determine the optimal rear axle. i know what the ratios are in the getrag but in order to compare apples-to-apples i need the ratios for the 97. thanks in advance. .

From : theguy

i have a 73 dodge 1-ton with a 360 in it and i would like to swap the 360 with a 440. i cant seem to find a hogs head for the swap are they that hard of an item to find or can i substitute in one way or another .

From : roy

hi i am having the same code. did your get fixed and what was the problem thanks. daily and several times on some days. i would think that it should be out by now. what could be another cause of the p0456 code should i take it to the dealers service dept. then theres an actual leak somewhere not just a loose gas cap. yes you should take it to the dealer and let them diagnose it. i assume its still under warranty yes it is still under warranty. ill take it in next week. thanks for your help. dddd .

From : roy

budd cochran wrote i know youre using the old girl 331 just as an example and yes they did have a great hp to ci ratio but what would they rate that 331 at using the system they put in place in the early 70s ie gross vs net. jeff jeff ive seen 5 or 6 formulas for calculating net horsepower from the gross dyno horsepower figures and none seem to get it right. i guess theres too many variables involved. my personal estimate and its only a wild estimate would be about 270 - 280 hp. for the time it would still have been king of the hill. vbg the point i was trying to get across to moparman was that having 1 hp / cu.in. wasnt some magical figure to rest your laurels on. many crate wedge motors can do the same thing with just a carb intake and a set of street headers 360 / 380 hp mopar for example which means his hemi is only about average in hp / cu. in. by todays standards. he could get even more hp by swapping in a crate motor. budd i get you. ;- when i was a kid my dad came home with a 62 oldmobile f-85 jetfire. 215ci turbocharged aluminum v8 rated at 215hp. we well i was along for the ride took it to irwindale raceway and he ran low 14s on skinny little 14 bias belted tires. completely stock. i do remember him removing the before the muffler plate cut-out. that car used to surprise the hell out of the big chevys fords and others on whittier blvd. even though the car was relatively lite i suspect it was making at least the advertized hp. my point being maybe the 331 was under-rated. jeff .