Dodge Dakota With Weird Dipstick

From : cricket

Q: i posted the other day about the truck with the evidently wrong dipstick which resulted in a thrown rod actually it looked more like a scrambled rod.... heres the deal... in the oil pan there is a guide that runs along the side and guides duh! ; the dipstick into the oil sump. somewhere along the line the top of that guide got smashed closed so the dipstick just slid in and scraped oil off the bottom of the pan - since the bend in the dipstick comes at about the full mark when its shoved in and bent like that...; anyway the new used engine goes in tomorrow. betting we dont get caught out like that again! i still cant decide if someone did it one purpose but it looks like it would have been a real pain to do so im guessing not - there are easier ways to sabatoge an engine than that. .

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From : budd cochran

it probably wasnt sabotage but ill bet the engine was apart at some time before you bought it either to rebuild it after a situation like yours engine failure due to the guide being bent from the factory about a 0.00001% chance because the engine isnt in the truck when assembled or it got bent when the pan was removed with the engine still in the truck by a previous owner and it was crushed somehow by a counterweight possibly as the crank was rotated in an effort to get the pan out. check the visible head intake bolts and the like to see if the paint is scraped off. the engines are painted before installation so there would be no wrench marks. of course if you tore the engine down to remove it then this wont work. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ i posted the other day about the truck with the evidently wrong dipstick which resulted in a thrown rod actually it looked more like a scrambled rod.... heres the deal... in the oil pan there is a guide that runs along the side and guides duh! ; the dipstick into the oil sump. somewhere along the line the top of that guide got smashed closed so the dipstick just slid in and scraped oil off the bottom of the pan - since the bend in the dipstick comes at about the full mark when its shoved in and bent like that...; anyway the new used engine goes in tomorrow. betting we dont get caught out like that again! i still cant decide if someone did it one purpose but it looks like it would have been a real pain to do so im guessing not - there are easier ways to sabatoge an engine than that. .

From : cricket

it probably wasnt sabotage but ill bet the engine was apart at some time before you bought it either to rebuild it after a situation like yours engine failure due to the guide being bent from the factory about a 0.00001% chance because the engine isnt in the truck when assembled or it got bent when the pan was removed with the engine still in the truck by a previous owner and it was crushed somehow by a counterweight possibly as the crank was rotated in an effort to get the pan out. check the visible head intake bolts and the like to see if the paint is scraped off. the engines are painted before installation so there would be no wrench marks. of course if you tore the engine down to remove it then this wont work. not a mark on it anywhere except where the guide is smashed - and that is shiny with fresh damage over old where the rod smash-up creamed it - making me wonder if it threw that rod before and when they rebuilt it they didnt fix the guide. which strikes me as pretty damn stupid but i cant say it surprises me much. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ i posted the other day about the truck with the evidently wrong dipstick which resulted in a thrown rod actually it looked more like a scrambled rod.... heres the deal... in the oil pan there is a guide that runs along the side and guides duh! ; the dipstick into the oil sump. somewhere along the line the top of that guide got smashed closed so the dipstick just slid in and scraped oil off the bottom of the pan - since the bend in the dipstick comes at about the full mark when its shoved in and bent like that...; anyway the new used engine goes in tomorrow. betting we dont get caught out like that again! i still cant decide if someone did it one purpose but it looks like it would have been a real pain to do so im guessing not - there are easier ways to sabatoge an engine than that. .

From : chas stokes

says... when i was a kid my neighbor rebuilt the engine of his chevy truck in his garage over a couple of weekends... started it up and it ran like shit... shut it down just as his wife came out of the garage with the box of new piston rings in her hand... when did you live next door to budd g ouchy!!! chas .

From : budd cochran

come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. i agree with your suspicion about it having been damaged by a previous owner but its been my experience that when a rod takes a whack at an oil pan the pan severely loses . . like a hole in it. thats why i suspect its been torn down before you got it. a little crushing to the guide like i mentioned wouldnt be very noticeable either when it happens or when your cleaning out the pan to reinstall it. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ it probably wasnt sabotage but ill bet the engine was apart at some time before you bought it either to rebuild it after a situation like yours engine failure due to the guide being bent from the factory about a 0.00001% chance because the engine isnt in the truck when assembled or it got bent when the pan was removed with the engine still in the truck by a previous owner and it was crushed somehow by a counterweight possibly as the crank was rotated in an effort to get the pan out. check the visible head intake bolts and the like to see if the paint is scraped off. the engines are painted before installation so there would be no wrench marks. of course if you tore the engine down to remove it then this wont work. not a mark on it anywhere except where the guide is smashed - and that is shiny with fresh damage over old where the rod smash-up creamed it - making me wonder if it threw that rod before and when they rebuilt it they didnt fix the guide. which strikes me as pretty damn stupid but i cant say it surprises me much. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ i posted the other day about the truck with the evidently wrong dipstick which resulted in a thrown rod actually it looked more like a scrambled rod.... heres the deal... in the oil pan there is a guide that runs along the side and guides duh! ; the dipstick into the oil sump. somewhere along the line the top of that guide got smashed closed so the dipstick just slid in and scraped oil off the bottom of the pan - since the bend in the dipstick comes at about the full mark when its shoved in and bent like that...; anyway the new used engine goes in tomorrow. betting we dont get caught out like that again! i still cant decide if someone did it one purpose but it looks like it would have been a real pain to do so im guessing not - there are easier ways to sabatoge an engine than that. .

From : cricket

come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. oh no - i have *never* dismantled something three times and still have bolts or weird little pins and connectors left over. nope. no box of assorted dash parts in the back room either though those technically got left off by choice.; i agree with your suspicion about it having been damaged by a previous owner but its been my experience that when a rod takes a whack at an oil pan the pan severely loses . . like a hole in it. thats why i suspect its been torn down before you got it. a little crushing to the guide like i mentioned wouldnt be very noticeable either when it happens or when your cleaning out the pan to reinstall it. you couldnt clean this pan without noticing this - *if* all the damage was previous. i think its possible that some of it is new - still if it was off and they bothered to clean it at all they shouldnt have missed it. however ive seen stuff like that get missed when someone handed something like that to a kid to do thinking it was a simple thing and a way to get them involved and the kid didnt know anything was wrong they hand the part back to dad he sticks it back on without looking closely. hell ive seen it happen with adult help. im less inclined to the sabotage theory now since it would be a pain to do and whod think of such a thing unless theyd seen it before still this is a pretty obvious smashup. could be someone didnt know what the thing down the side of the oilpan was and just thought it was a reinforcing brace or something. it does occur to me that the metal is pretty torn and shredded on the guide - i suppose it would have gone through the pan if it was only one layer deep there. one of those things that really doesnt matter in the long run - the new engine goes in tonight - but itll bug the crap out of me forever just wondering... -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ it probably wasnt sabotage but ill bet the engine was apart at some time before you bought it either to rebuild it after a situation like yours engine failure due to the guide being bent from the factory about a 0.00001% chance because the engine isnt in the truck when assembled or it got bent when the pan was removed with the engine still in the truck by a previous owner and it was crushed somehow by a counterweight possibly as the crank was rotated in an effort to get the pan out. check the visible head intake bolts and the like to see if the paint is scraped off. the engines are painted before installation so there would be no wrench marks. of course if you tore the engine down to remove it then this wont work. not a mark on it anywhere except where the guide is smashed - and that is shiny with fresh damage over old where the rod smash-up creamed it - making me wonder if it threw that rod before and when they rebuilt it they didnt fix the guide. which strikes me as pretty damn stupid but i cant say it surprises me much. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ i posted the other day about the truck with the evidently wrong dipstick which resulted in a thrown rod actually it looked more like a scrambled rod.... heres the deal... in the oil pan there is a guide that runs along the side and guides duh! ; the dipstick into the oil sump. somewhere along the line the top of that guide got smashed closed so the dipstick just slid in and scraped oil off the bottom of the pan - since the bend in the dipstick comes at about the full mark when its shoved in and bent like that...; anyway the new used engine goes in tomorrow. betting we dont get caught out like that again! i still cant decide if someone did it one purpose but it looks like it would have been a real pain to do so im guessing not - there are easier ways to sabatoge an engine than that. .

From : budd cochran

come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. oh no - i have *never* dismantled something three times and still have bolts or weird little pins and connectors left over. nope. no box of assorted dash parts in the back room either though those technically got left off by choice.; vbg i agree with your suspicion about it having been damaged by a previous owner but its been my experience that when a rod takes a whack at an oil pan the pan severely loses . . like a hole in it. thats why i suspect its been torn down before you got it. a little crushing to the guide like i mentioned wouldnt be very noticeable either when it happens or when your cleaning out the pan to reinstall it. you couldnt clean this pan without noticing this - *if* all the damage was previous. i think its possible that some of it is new - still if it was off and they bothered to clean it at all they shouldnt have missed it. however ive seen stuff like that get missed when someone handed something like that to a kid to do thinking it was a simple thing and a way to get them involved and the kid didnt know anything was wrong they hand the part back to dad he sticks it back on without looking closely. hell ive seen it happen with adult help. im less inclined to the sabotage theory now since it would be a pain to do and whod think of such a thing unless theyd seen it before still this is a pretty obvious smashup. could be someone didnt know what the thing down the side of the oilpan was and just thought it was a reinforcing brace or something. now thats possible. all it would take is for some self-described expert to think he cant make a misteak musteak miz-take . . .mis . . .one of those things. i remember having my eldest help with a manifold r&r on an 80 slant six d-100 and he didnt think it would matter if he got almost all the gasket almost all the way off the head surface . . . . . it does occur to me that the metal is pretty torn and shredded on the guide - i suppose it would have gone through the pan if it was only one layer deep there. yep that sounds like the broken rod end slapping it. one of those things that really doesnt matter in the long run - the new engine goes in tonight - but itll bug the crap out of me forever just wondering... i know what you mean. btdt gave up on it and went fishing. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : cricket

snip i remember having my eldest help with a manifold r&r on an 80 slant six d-100 and he didnt think it would matter if he got almost all the gasket almost all the way off the head surface . . . . . im guessing he no longer thinks that way i had a 72 duster that suffered from someones thinking along those lines... it does occur to me that the metal is pretty torn and shredded on the guide - i suppose it would have gone through the pan if it was only one layer deep there. yep that sounds like the broken rod end slapping it. one of those things that really doesnt matter in the long run - the new engine goes in tonight - but itll bug the crap out of me forever just wondering... i know what you mean. btdt gave up on it and went fishing. vbg -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : chas stokes

says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas .

From : cricket

says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. been there done that. both things. ; chas .

From : budd cochran

put the grommet in first what a novel idea . . ill have to try it. vbg -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas .

From : cricket

on wed 10 dec 2003 223508 -0500 chas stokes cjs@zuul24.com wrote says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas when i was a kid my neighbor rebuilt the engine of his chevy truck in his garage over a couple of weekends... started it up and it ran like shit... shut it down just as his wife came out of the garage with the box of new piston rings in her hand... oh man thats not even funny... and ill quit grinning in just a sec... .

From : mac davis

on wed 10 dec 2003 223508 -0500 chas stokes cjs@zuul24.com wrote says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas when i was a kid my neighbor rebuilt the engine of his chevy truck in his garage over a couple of weekends... started it up and it ran like shit... shut it down just as his wife came out of the garage with the box of new piston rings in her hand... .

From : tbone

on wed 10 dec 2003 223508 -0500 chas stokes cjs@zuul24.com wrote says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas when i was a kid my neighbor rebuilt the engine of his chevy truck in his garage over a couple of weekends... started it up and it ran like shit... shut it down just as his wife came out of the garage with the box of new piston rings in her hand... when did you live next door to budd g -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : chas stokes

says... put the grommet in first what a novel idea . . ill have to try it. vbg and the killer is that i never even notice until i am almost done with the job and the wires are all hooked up. chas .

From : chas stokes

mac.davis@comcast.net says... on wed 10 dec 2003 223508 -0500 chas stokes cjs@zuul24.com wrote says... come on. bg are you saying youve never accidentally missed something when working on a project i have hundreds of times in my 56 years. its human nature. my personal favorite is when and i have done it a couple of times i was running wires and forgot to put the grommet in the hole first. last time i just said the hell with it and cut the grommet and put it around the wire. i hate when i do that. chas when i was a kid my neighbor rebuilt the engine of his chevy truck in his garage over a couple of weekends... started it up and it ran like shit... shut it down just as his wife came out of the garage with the box of new piston rings in her hand... now that is a woops... chas .

From : budd cochran

gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ so you budd and a few others are the reason the gromet industry diagonal cuts their products i always wondered who would be that dumb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! if ive ever put wires in without the gromet i just cut it diagonal and install it no biggie and the killer is that i never even notice until i am almost done with the job and the wires are all hooked up. chas ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : redneck tookover hell

you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : budd cochran

what i thought you were doing the bailing!!!! -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : cricketcricket

thanks - budds didnt show up love that outlook express... but this one did so got both...; all our chiltons are ancient. disconect to plug to the eng. temp sensor when you check timing. rev engine to see if you are getting advance from eng. computer. they fail & do not provide the specified advance. dick according to my chiltons 10 degrees btdc for manuals and autos. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ there is a special place in hell for people who scrape off stickers toss owners manuals etc. - but before they go there they all sell me their vehicles... anybody off the top of their heads know the timing on an 88 dakota 3.9 auto and 4x4 if it matters weird stuff sometimes does ive noticed. or is it in haynes somewhere and my dearly beloved is looking right over it i dont go out there when hes working on cars he dont come around when i am - we both live longer that way...; thanks --- outgoing mail is certified virus free. checked by avg anti-virus system http//www.grisoft.com. version 6.0.550 / virus database 342 - release date 12/9/2003 .

From : cricket

what i thought you were doing the bailing!!!! -- budd cochran ya gotta drill a hole and let the water out... in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : budd cochran

odd. saw my post in only 10 minutes. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ thanks - budds didnt show up love that outlook express... but this one did so got both...; all our chiltons are ancient. disconect to plug to the eng. temp sensor when you check timing. rev engine to see if you are getting advance from eng. computer. they fail & do not provide the specified advance. dick according to my chiltons 10 degrees btdc for manuals and autos. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ there is a special place in hell for people who scrape off stickers toss owners manuals etc. - but before they go there they all sell me their vehicles... anybody off the top of their heads know the timing on an 88 dakota 3.9 auto and 4x4 if it matters weird stuff sometimes does ive noticed. or is it in haynes somewhere and my dearly beloved is looking right over it i dont go out there when hes working on cars he dont come around when i am - we both live longer that way...; thanks --- outgoing mail is certified virus free. checked by avg anti-virus system http//www.grisoft.com. version 6.0.550 / virus database 342 - release date 12/9/2003 .

From : budd cochran

ah. thats what ive been doing wrong. i use right hand twist drill bits and they let water in. if i use left hand bits then the water should flow out. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ what i thought you were doing the bailing!!!! -- budd cochran ya gotta drill a hole and let the water out... in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : budd cochran

dont tell him that !!! he will actually believe it and then hold you responsible for the damage. lets look more closely at your words tom. at first glance it would appear you intend them to mean a truth which establishes the meanings and interpretations in a rigid fixed manner preventing any other interpretation . . .which destroys your recent rants about a written or spoken statements being open for varying interpretations and the resultant meanings. if this is the case then you have made absolute statement or one not able to be interpreted differently absolute adj 1 perfect or complete or pure; absolute loyalty; absolute silence; absolute truth; absolute alcohol ant relative 2 complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers; absolute freedom; an absolute dimwit; a downright lie; out-and-out mayhem; an out-and-out lie; a rank outsider; many right-down vices; got the job through sheer persistence; sheer stupidity syn downright out-and-out rank right-down sheer 3 not limited by law; an absolute monarch 4 expressing finality with no implication of possible change; an absolute or unequivocal quarantee to respect the nations authority; inability to make a conclusive or unequivocal refusal syn conclusive 5 without conditions or limitations; a total ban syn total unconditioned 6 not capable of being violated or infringed; infrangible human rights syn infrangible inviolable n something that is conceived to be absolute; something that does not depends on anything else and is beyond human control; no mortal being can influence the absolute source websters revised unabridged dictionary 1913 otoh if you didnt intend these words to be considered as absolutes but rather to be considered as interpretable by the whims of the reader then they could be considered to mean nothing even to the point of meaning absolutely nothing. . . which again gives them the strength of being an absolute statement and debunking your rants. yet they could also be interpreted as merely a feeble attempt to insult me but since you arent able to assign a definitive value to your words in order to leave everything you say open to interpretation they can be considered as a written contract to send me money according to your rules. but wait you cant have rules because rules have to be absolutes truths fixed and not subject to the whims of interpretation. gee you could really be in a mess if you ever got a terminal condition and the doctor decided to follow your rules . . . . tom doctor whats wrong with me give it to me straight. doctor well i dont know how to say it but if i dont get my short game back in order i wont be any good in the tournament. as a result its inoperable and youve only got a few centuries to die in. oh and do try to have your bill paid in full so i wont have to put a lien on your grave. my what comforting informative words he had for you . . if you interpret them correctly. if you truly knew anything about writing fiction btw then you know authors use their skills with words to paint active murals in the souls of the readers to engage them and their emotions into the storyline to wrap them up in a dream and whisk them to far off lands the deepest reaches of space and the shallowest grave of the victim. to lift them to heights unreachable except to gods and strengthen them against evils beyond evil. that requires absolute words and phrases. the author of a technical manual has to be accurate and not leave the subjects open to interpretation or you could convince an unknowing person that the bearings in his axle are made of exactly what you said. why not because the reader is looking for accuracy not feces. you on the other hand stumble over a simple question and panic over an exposed error in english usage and resort to little cowardly backstabbing attacks. man it sucks to be you. budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : mac davis

on sat 13 dec 2003 151806 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote then maybe i should use spade bits and twist them back and forth real fast with a left handed crescent wrench. i find that a metric cresent wrench works best for that budd.. .

From : steven nbudd cochranbudd cochran

thanks for the assist......the connection worked and now it is working. now i can find my way home with the gps....oh hell i need to disconnect the wire. steve that would be perfect if you could....thanks much since i will be making the connection this weekend. again thanks. steve there are four plugs from top to bottom.....does it show which one it is the plug colors are on the inside of the actual jack and not on the outside where you can see. figures... c1 is the one on top. this is a pain in the ^%&$#^^ since i have received responses with three different color choices. the info. i gave you came straight from the 2003 fsm. if youd like i can scan the relative pages and e-mail them to you. .

From : tbone

dont tell him that !!! he will actually believe it and then hold you responsible for the damage. lets look more closely at your words tom. at first glance it would appear you intend them to mean a truth which establishes the meanings and interpretations in a rigid fixed manner absolute adj 1 perfect or complete or pure; absolute loyalty; absolute silence; absolute truth; absolute alcohol ant relative 2 complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers; absolute freedom; an absolute dimwit; a downright lie; out-and-out mayhem; an out-and-out lie; a rank outsider; many right-down vices; got the job through sheer persistence; sheer stupidity syn downright out-and-out rank right-down sheer 3 not limited by law; an absolute monarch 4 expressing finality with no implication of possible change; an absolute or unequivocal quarantee to respect the nations authority; inability to make a conclusive or unequivocal refusal syn conclusive 5 without conditions or limitations; a total ban syn total unconditioned 6 not capable of being violated or infringed; infrangible human rights syn infrangible inviolable n something that is conceived to be absolute; something that does not depends on anything else and is beyond human control; no mortal being can influence the absolute source websters revised unabridged dictionary 1913 i see more than one definition here. how do you know which one is the correct one otoh if you didnt intend these words to be considered as absolutes but rather to be considered as interpretable by the whims of the reader then they could be considered to mean nothing even to the point of meaning absolutely nothing. . . which again gives them the strength of being an absolute statement and debunking your rants. yet they could also be interpreted as merely a feeble attempt to insult me gee it looks like you came up with at least three separate interpretations of what i said all by yourself. if the language is not interpreted how did you manage to do that if you truly knew anything about writing fiction btw then you know authors use their skills with words to paint active murals in the souls of the readers to engage them and their emotions into the storyline to wrap them up in a dream and whisk them to far off lands the deepest reaches of space and the shallowest grave of the victim. to lift them to heights unreachable except to gods and strengthen them against evils beyond evil. that requires absolute words and phrases. no it doesnt. i guess that is why your writing career failed. in order for a word to be absolute it can have one and only one definition. hell the definition of the word absolute that you provided has 6 different ones and some of them are very different from each other. that would indicate that the meaning of even this word would have to be interpreted depending on how it was used and with that i rest my case. face it budd you are still wrong as usual. the author of a technical manual has to be accurate and not leave the subjects open to interpretation or you could convince an unknowing person that the bearings in his axle are made of exactly what you said. why not because the reader is looking for accuracy not feces. but the fact that you could interpret what i said to mean different things proves that what is said or written has to be interpreted. pehaps that might be why some manuals are better than others. you on the other hand stumble over a simple question and panic over an exposed error in english usage lol look who just turned a light hearted joke into a 20 page whine. and btw i used your definitions to prove that i used the word correctly in that past thread but all that did was upset you further and send you into another one of your ignorant blind rages. and resort to little cowardly backstabbing attacks. perhaps you should re-read that thread and see who started with the cowardly backstabbing attacks you. man it sucks to be you. if it really makes you feel better to think that go right ahead. we both know who it is much more likely to suck at being. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : budd cochran

tom there are six sections to the definition of one word not six definitions. the sections all agree with the words root meaning and each other. your argument fails for that reason. now prove im a failure as an author. give evidence of my work being rejected by a publishing company. give publishing company name dates of submission and rejection. if you cant then you are wrong and a liar . . again. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ his usual word twisting to try and save face but failing as usual. .

From : jerry

daguy wrote geez you are really fucked up. never have i seen a more petty and arrogant person. then you need to look into a mirror while i enjoy pulling your chain and watching you spin into the ground i am still amazed at how messed up you are. sad........... coming from someone who use to occasional take pot shots to someone that has turned into a regular little troll ............ now that is sad. personally i think you and tommy tbone went way over the line in the 99 ram has a bad transmission thread. dont expect anything less of please let me join your group tommy but you................ jerry .

From : daguy

on mon 15 dec 2003 171744 -0500 tbone fatchance@noway.now wrote dont tell him that !!! he will actually believe it and then hold you responsible for the damage. lets look more closely at your words tom. at first glance it would appear you intend them to mean a truth which establishes the meanings and interpretations in a rigid fixed manner absolute adj 1 perfect or complete or pure; absolute loyalty; absolute silence; absolute truth; absolute alcohol ant relative 2 complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers; absolute freedom; an absolute dimwit; a downright lie; out-and-out mayhem; an out-and-out lie; a rank outsider; many right-down vices; got the job through sheer persistence; sheer stupidity syn downright out-and-out rank right-down sheer 3 not limited by law; an absolute monarch 4 expressing finality with no implication of possible change; an absolute or unequivocal quarantee to respect the nations authority; inability to make a conclusive or unequivocal refusal syn conclusive 5 without conditions or limitations; a total ban syn total unconditioned 6 not capable of being violated or infringed; infrangible human rights syn infrangible inviolable n something that is conceived to be absolute; something that does not depends on anything else and is beyond human control; no mortal being can influence the absolute source websters revised unabridged dictionary 1913 i see more than one definition here. how do you know which one is the correct one he doesnt. come on he just learned to cut and paste today. otoh if you didnt intend these words to be considered as absolutes but rather to be considered as interpretable by the whims of the reader then they could be considered to mean nothing even to the point of meaning absolutely nothing. . . which again gives them the strength of being an absolute statement and debunking your rants. yet they could also be interpreted as merely a feeble attempt to insult me gee it looks like you came up with at least three separate interpretations of what i said all by yourself. if the language is not interpreted how did you manage to do that if you truly knew anything about writing fiction btw then you know authors use their skills with words to paint active murals in the souls of the readers to engage them and their emotions into the storyline to wrap them up in a dream and whisk them to far off lands the deepest reaches of space and the shallowest grave of the victim. to lift them to heights unreachable except to gods and strengthen them against evils beyond evil. that requires absolute words and phrases. no it doesnt. i guess that is why your writing career failed. in order for a word to be absolute it can have one and only one definition. hell the definition of the word absolute that you provided has 6 different ones and some of them are very different from each other. that would indicate that the meaning of even this word would have to be interpreted depending on how it was used and with that i rest my case. face it budd you are still wrong as usual. the author of a technical manual has to be accurate and not leave the subjects open to interpretation or you could convince an unknowing person that the bearings in his axle are made of exactly what you said. why not because the reader is looking for accuracy not feces. but the fact that you could interpret what i said to mean different things proves that what is said or written has to be interpreted. pehaps that might be why some manuals are better than others. you on the other hand stumble over a simple question and panic over an exposed error in english usage lol look who just turned a light hearted joke into a 20 page whine. and btw i used your definitions to prove that i used the word correctly in that past thread but all that did was upset you further and send you into another one of your ignorant blind rages. and resort to little cowardly backstabbing attacks. perhaps you should re-read that thread and see who started with the cowardly backstabbing attacks you. man it sucks to be you. if it really makes you feel better to think that go right ahead. we both know who it is much more likely to suck at being. .

From : daguy

on mon 15 dec 2003 225655 gmt budd cochran mr-d150spam@citlink.net wrote tom there are six sections to the definition of one word not six definitions. the sections all agree with the words root meaning and each other. your argument fails for that reason. now prove im a failure as an author. give evidence of my work being rejected by a publishing company. give publishing company name dates of submission and rejection. geez you are really fucked up. never have i seen a more petty and arrogant person. never have i seen such attempts to establish some sort of credibility from anyone as i see from you over the years. you have an incredible need to be someone big but your concept of what someone big would be is even fucked up. while i enjoy pulling your chain and watching you spin into the ground i am still amazed at how messed up you are. sad........... add to that the fact that you can not even see it that you have no personal pride. man dudd at least you found something that you are number one at. if you cant then you are wrong and a liar . . again. .

From : budd cochran

geez you are really fucked up. no youre looking in a mirror again. im not the coward hiding my identity you are s.h. wannabe. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : budd cochranbudd cochranbudd cochran

tom there are six sections to the definition of one word not six definitions. the sections all agree with the words root meaning and each other. your argument fails for that reason. well lets get your definition absolute adj 1 perfect or complete or pure; absolute loyalty; absolute silence; absolute truth; absolute alcohol ant relative 2 complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers; absolute freedom; an absolute dimwit; a downright lie; out-and-out mayhem; an out-and-out lie; a rank outsider; many right-down vices; got the job through sheer persistence; sheer stupidity syn downright out-and-out rank right-down sheer 3 not limited by law; an absolute monarch 4 expressing finality with no implication of possible change; an absolute or unequivocal quarantee to respect the nations authority; inability to make a conclusive or unequivocal refusal syn conclusive 5 without conditions or limitations; a total ban syn total unconditioned 6 not capable of being violated or infringed; infrangible human rights syn infrangible inviolable n something that is conceived to be absolute; something that does not depends on anything else and is beyond human control; no mortal being can influence the absolute source websters revised unabridged dictionary 1913 now how does #1 perfect or complete or pure match #3 not limited by law. these are two very different meanings for the same word. sorry buddwhile they all may have something in common they are all different and the exact part of the definition still needs to be interpreted depending on how the word is used. nope tommy-boy. youre wrong. the entire list as you incorrectly see it is the entire and complete definition of the word. now prove im a failure as an author. give evidence of my work being rejected by a publishing company. give publishing company name dates of submission and rejection. ok this was taken not in its entirety from the engine change info thread and was written by you! cap weve come out too close to earth! yelled the science officer commander williams. charles cochran working titlegalactic guardians its from a discarded storyline from an attempt of mine to write science fiction. iow either you were unable to complete it knew yourself that it sucked and quit while you were ahead or it was submitted and rejected. either way you failed. the fact that you are demanding that i provide information that would be just about impossible for me to get shows that you probably have far more rejections than you care to admit to. now lets see a full listing of your published works including publisher and copyright dates. i reject your claim of the passage as proof on my failure because 1 it was never offered for publication in any form or manner. 2 in fact it was never completed as a work at all. 3 it was written when i was 17 in high school and long before i gave any serious thought about writing. it was however a portion of a first draft for a writing contest that i took third place in against published local amature authors. no i will not post the essay that won the prize they kept it at the paper office. therefore in no manner does the passage give the evidence you claim. gee did you interpret something wrong again get a court order if you want me to release private contractural information. if you cant then you are wrong and a liar . . again. nope i proved what i said well actually you did it for me. nope. it contains none of the info requested from you to prove i failed. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you forgot your parachute tom. splat!!! -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ .

From : tbone

tom there are six sections to the definition of one word not six definitions. the sections all agree with the words root meaning and each other. your argument fails for that reason. well lets get your definition absolute adj 1 perfect or complete or pure; absolute loyalty; absolute silence; absolute truth; absolute alcohol ant relative 2 complete and without restriction or qualification; sometimes used informally as intensifiers; absolute freedom; an absolute dimwit; a downright lie; out-and-out mayhem; an out-and-out lie; a rank outsider; many right-down vices; got the job through sheer persistence; sheer stupidity syn downright out-and-out rank right-down sheer 3 not limited by law; an absolute monarch 4 expressing finality with no implication of possible change; an absolute or unequivocal quarantee to respect the nations authority; inability to make a conclusive or unequivocal refusal syn conclusive 5 without conditions or limitations; a total ban syn total unconditioned 6 not capable of being violated or infringed; infrangible human rights syn infrangible inviolable n something that is conceived to be absolute; something that does not depends on anything else and is beyond human control; no mortal being can influence the absolute source websters revised unabridged dictionary 1913 now how does #1 perfect or complete or pure match #3 not limited by law. these are two very different meanings for the same word. sorry budd while they all may have something in common they are all different and the exact part of the definition still needs to be interpreted depending on how the word is used. nope tommy-boy. youre wrong. the entire list as you incorrectly see it is the entire and complete definition of the word. i was incorrect in what i said so allow mw to correct myself. while the word has only one definition in this dictionary it has many meanings and not all of them are all that similar. it is the meaning of the words that need to be interpreted not the definition depending on how they are used so it is you that is wrong as usual. now prove im a failure as an author. give evidence of my work being rejected by a publishing company. give publishing company name dates of submission and rejection. ok this was taken not in its entirety from the engine change info thread and was written by you! cap weve come out too close to earth! yelled the science officer commander williams. charles cochran working titlegalactic guardians its from a discarded storyline from an attempt of mine to write science fiction. iow either you were unable to complete it knew yourself that it sucked and quit while you were ahead or it was submitted and rejected. either way you failed. the fact that you are demanding that i provide information that would be just about impossible for me to get shows that you probably have far more rejections than you care to admit to. now lets see a full listing of your published works including publisher and copyright dates. i reject your claim of the passage as proof on my failure because 1 it was never offered for publication in any form or manner. 2 in fact it was never completed as a work at all. 3 it was written when i was 17 in high school and long before i gave any serious thought about writing. it was however a portion of a first draft for a writing contest that i took third place in against published local amature authors. no i will not post the essay that won the prize they kept it at the paper office. therefore in no manner does the passage give the evidence you claim. sure it does. if you had anything better you would have used that to make your point. since this was your best work ... gee did you interpret something wrong again nope. get a court order if you want me to release private contractural information. lol like i said you demand information that is impossible for me to get because you know that you are unable to back yourself up. this is all of the proof that i need. i didnt ask for specific contractual information only the titles publishers and copyright dates. hell it should be a point of pride to give this information and it cannot even be considered as spam since i asked you for it. unless of course you have far more failures than successes... if you cant then you are wrong and a liar . . again. nope i proved what i said well actually you did it for me. nope. it contains none of the info requested from you to prove i failed. because i have no way to get it but it seems that you have none to prove me wrong either lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving you forgot your parachute tom. splat!!! sorry budd but the only one hitting the ground hard here is you. but look at the bright side i think that i got your idol to begin to feel sorry for you and even defend you a

From : cricket

ah. thats what ive been doing wrong. i use right hand twist drill bits and they let water in. if i use left hand bits then the water should flow out. unless you cross the equator... -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ what i thought you were doing the bailing!!!! -- budd cochran ya gotta drill a hole and let the water out... in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .

From : budd cochran

then maybe i should use spade bits and twist them back and forth real fast with a left handed crescent wrench. -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ ah. thats what ive been doing wrong. i use right hand twist drill bits and they let water in. if i use left hand bits then the water should flow out. unless you cross the equator... -- budd cochran in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ what i thought you were doing the bailing!!!! -- budd cochran ya gotta drill a hole and let the water out... in tribute to the united states of america and the state of israel two bastions of strength in a world filled with strife and terrorism. ------ you mean the one that is sinking g gee red it sure sounds like youre in the same boat as we. vbg ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .