Dodge CTD vs Dodge 360 gas
From : dennis
Q: i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... .
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From : stephen harding
so . . .she agrees hes as quick as a bunny budd not to be nosey bu how would you know vbg budd his wife told me! ;^ mike wait a minute. you aint never talked to my wife....... or have you denny of course how else would i know that your nickname is minuteman vbg mike .
From : denny
questions for the exhaust experts in the group...are the pipes on the 99 ctds stainless steel i dont believe so ...is the muffler plain steel... yes is the muffler replacement a job that could be done at a midas shop absolutely .
From : Annonymous
dont forget smec controls a lot more than just the fuel and ignition systems. the idea was for smec to replace control componants throughout the car. someone please feel free to correct me if im wrong. john .
From : tom lawrence
not to be nosey bu how would you know vbg budd yeah but youre just as homely as ever. thank god!!! ifn you thought i was getting cute i just dont know what id do.... vbg. when you gonna get those ears ironed straight i dunno. i kinda like the floppy style. denny yeah they match your.....well.....ummmmmm.....never mind..... ;^ mike .
From : tbone
if you really believed that then what are you doing with that v10 better that i keep it and use it occasionally in fact sparingly re pretty much when my diesel is immobile due to one of my various projects rather than let it fall into the hands of some eco-enemy who will no doubt gallavant all over the north-east countryside spewing its billionths of tons of pollutants on the unsuspecting lichen and tree moss indiginous to the area. .
From : tom lawrence
how about sitting in traffic or even parking it and god forbid you think about others on the road. is he considering others when hes doing the job with a vehicle that uses twice as much fossil fuel at a higher level of refining to boot i personally am proud of my contributions to the environment by using a vehicle that makes far more efficient use of our precious dwindling holy-crap-were-gonna-run-out-tomorrow limited supply of long-chained hydrocarbons. and given that carbon is the building block of life i figure contributing a little here and there into the lower atmosphere is only promoting that life. if you really believed that then what are you doing with that v10 and does you job require the use of those trucks -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : jerry
a.. fastest pickup dodge ram srt10 is the guinness book of world records fastest production pickup id take one stock srt10 please. i took my cobra to an open track day at pikes peak int raceway yesterday. had a great time. there was a big red srt-10 pickup out on the track. holy cow that guy was fast! i didnt get a chance to talk to him so i dont know how much was stock. but he was really fast through the corners. very impressive. -- .bob 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged! 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - finally on the road! .
From : thenewguy
as i have also said and if platinums were the answer to all that would be the factory plug for all vehicles do really belive this yep. brass or copper contacts are better than aluminum on caps and rotors - but the standard mopar cap/rotor uses aluminum. so does the use of copper or brass triple the life of the component i dont think so. spiral-cell deep cycle batteries are more durable and last longer than the standard lead-acid batteries yet the factory batteries are lead-acid. deep cycle batteries do not always do well in sli applications and cost much more for little benefit. spiral-cell batteries are also a fairly new development so who knows what will be comming in the future as stock for trucks. braided stainless steel brake lines are better than plain-old rubber lines yet the factory puts on rubber. in todays world even the rubber lines tend to outlast many sets of pads and shoes and even first owners so why spend the extra money for no measurable benefit they also tend not to last a whole lot longer than their rubber counterparts when people let the fluid turn bad as most do and eat them from the inside out. so do you really think the reason dodge doesnt put in platinum plugs from the factory is because they dont last longer or maybe because theyre a bit more expensive and the lowest bidder won out if price were the case no vehicles would use them because they always cost more than their standard counterparts. the cost increase is minimal compared to the huge selling point of no tuneups required for 100000 miles so i would say that they have other reasons besides the small cost increase. ps - all these cars with 100k spark plug changes... how do you think theyre tipped with platinum plugs for the low required maintenance selling point which would be just as valid for the trucks as well but yet they dont do it. i wonder why -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : tbone
on tue 11 oct 2005 191952 gmt budd cochran mr-d150@spam.citlink.net wrote to both ya bums; been ok keeping the old blood sugars under 6.5 mg/l about 110 in american measurements so dont expect me to be a sweet as i used to be. thats ok. we still love ya . and still dont need a heated seat on that old cushman either. yeah im with you. ive been able to keep my butt in a bunch of hot water at work anyway so who needs a heated seat well being as its a steel seat pan with no insulation i wouldnt want it heated either though ill get that on hot summer days. otoh a little scrap of navajo blanket will keep the chill off come winter. budd .
From : frank
set of 8 autolite 5224 - $10.80 set of 8 autolite ap5224 - $17.12 like i said almost twice the price. i see you still have problems with percentages. lol what does this have to do with percentages 17.12 is not 200% of 10.80 as you claim. did the word almost slip by you or did you just redefine that one as well. if you couldnt see that you dont have a handle on percentages. that is why i said almost instead of is get it yet the damn thing still has its original cap and rotor. yet you blame the lack of performance on the plugs..... i said no improvement in performance and the cap and rotor were within spec at the time of replacement of the plugs. within spec thats great show me a spec for a cap and rotor please. contacts clean little to no visible carbon arc trails no visible wear on the rotor or cap contacts and no cracks in the cap. sounds like in spec to me. now are you going to respond to this with three identical posts too. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : Annonymous
okay decided to go back into plowing with a friend. his office will handle the billing phones and other such bs. i have to do all the estimates. decided all subs have to own a 2003 or newer 3/4 ton or bigger and have a driver to fill in. we put together 8 pick ups and a loader. should be interesting a winter. guess im back looking for that elusive cj. roy .
From : mac davis
on sun 9 oct 2005 133513 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote nah its the friggin carrots all over the parking lots. g id be more worried about the used carrots all over the lot bro... once youve been around bunnies you never eat a raisin again.. *g* mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : mac davis
on sun 9 oct 2005 105149 -0500 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote okay decided to go back into plowing with a friend. his office will handle the billing phones and other such bs. i have to do all the estimates. decided all subs have to own a 2003 or newer 3/4 ton or bigger and have a driver to fill in. we put together 8 pick ups and a loader. should be interesting a winter. guess im back looking for that elusive cj. roy damn. do ya have to have a diesel heated leather seats and a wool covered spinner knob to work for you guys too i was gonna volunteer to help out for free but i just dont qualify. bg real men dont need heated seats! bfg ahem!... well what the hell did i expect anyway.... its getting cold out and heeeere we go again with the heated seat slurs.... sigh ;^ m sorry mike but theres some things that real men should never admit to......... yeah you mean like blastin innocent bowling balls with large caliber handguns you are just damned lucky i didnt sic the petbb* people on ya when i heard about it....... mike * people for the ethical treatment of bowling balls give him a break mike... he probably used a bowling ball cuz he couldnt hit a baseball... ya know the right to arm bears probably doesnt cover bunnies does it mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : thenewguy
i know i had to poke you in the ribs a bit but you really should take a look at your subs equipment first. ill say my ole 95 is in better shape than most 03s and is better equipped to spend the night plowing. there is a method here. true there are nice well kept trucks that are more than three years old. as you know plowing can beat the shit out of a truck if you dont know what you are doing ill interperate that to say that you think that i know what im doing. thank you!! sucker... bfg okay okay you oughta know what the hell yer doin. sorta shows a rabbit can be taught. bfg but most dont take care of them as well as you do. what my three year old truck deal does is keep my problems to a minimum. it does away friends and relations that have a beater that want to make a few bucks when it is convienient. also does away with and i know youve heard from the guy you work with that will come up to you and say my kids got a old blazer with a plow can ya put him to work ohio is very similiar to ma... i cant say how many times ive heard a variation of that. he jut got fired from macdonalds because he was late too much nobody likes to get up at 1am to push snow but if you have a payment on your two year old truck you most likely will show up. also the wear and tear on the truck isnt as much so the down time is less apt to be a problem. im going to try to avoid or minimize the bs that we both know happens. heres one that will eliminate more bs all the subs must have the plow manufactuers repair kit with them as well as a cell phone preferably a nextel. damn missed again. ill never work for you at this rate. i got spare solinoids cylinders springs pins fluid tools furnace tape but i got a verison cell..... damn... nah its the friggin carrots all over the parking lots. g how much of a increase have you added due to the fuel price was thinking about 10% across the board. on an average snow ill burn about 10-11 gals of gas doing my part of the route so gas will cost me approx $15 more per event. im just gonna absorb that for now and see how it goes. i dont want to start bumping prices up $5 per spot and then loose it to somebody cheaper. it seems to go in cycles but last year there were dozens of old junk fender flappers scurrying around trying to finds lots. havent decided yet. gonna wait but if it goes over $3@gal yhere has gotta be a surcharge. low ballers are always out there but they screw up and then the account will call us. i dont know if id call it a surcharge. if i was a cust and got a bill for $xx to clean my lot and another $x tacked onto the bottom for fuel itd really leave a bad taste in my mouth. i think id rather the base rate go up $5 than to see another line tacked on. around here a few years ago one of the bigger professional grass mowers added a gas surcharge to their bill and it didnt go over too well. around here the electric and gas call it a fuel adjustment. you could put it on as a surcharge and when/if the price comes down below $3@gal take it off. roy denny .
From : mac davis
on sun 09 oct 2005 052850 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote nathan w. collier wrote wow.....i was unaware that it would pull text from an image and translate it. thanks for the tip. it wont............ i just removed the kanji the wife done the translation and i added text back in....... no the wife is not shareware..... software *g* mac please remove splinters before emailing .
From : thenewguy
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From : mac davis
thanks for the torque specs. i took your advice and purchased the $28 in. lb. torque wrench from harbor freight. so im set for the tranny torqueing. the information i received from the dealership is very troubling. i gave my vin so that they could make sure to give me correct information .... it seems that didnt pan out quite the way i had hoped. did i get enough tranny fluid 9 qts. 2 for the transfer case and 6 for the tranny 1 extra just in case im glad you sent me the tsb on the diff fluid. now i know to only fill them up 1/4 from the hole. otherwise i would have filled it until it spilled out. so i will return the rtv and friction modifiers. regarding the gaskets i am more comfortable not re-using what is already there. so i will purchase the diff gaskets when i return the other stuff. im so mad i could just spit. craig c. .
From : thenewguy
yep im in the dallas area mckinney. thanks for the invite. i couldnt make it today but i glanced at your web site perhaps i can make it to the next meeting. it really depends on whether i decide to give my liver a break the night before. i know exactly where bics is ... in fact ive spent a great deal of money in that place in past years. craig c. .
From : aarcuda69062
roy roy@home.net wrote so when running your gas engine at 4000rpm loaded your longevity is what about not long since experience tells me that at that rpm the water pump is cavitating. my cummins is somewhere in the area of 250-300000. so what are the advantages to the gasser let me help ya there are none. well personal preference is one. testify! .
From : christopher thompson
on sat 08 oct 2005 083315 -0700 mac davis mac.davis@splinters.comcast.net wrote on fri 07 oct 2005 104505 -0700 thenewguy thenewguy@notebook.com wrote not that much difference in price around here but my ctd gets much better mileagge than my dodge 360 ever got in its best wet dream. anyway to each his own i guess and again i am debating the technical merits mine are just comments from someone that has driven both used both as daily drivers and towed the same loads with both. if you think a gasser is better..................well then drive a gasser. my main experience with tds in pickups is from rv trips with friends... lots of comparison over the cbs about speed/rpm/etc and imo td is the way to go if you tow a lot... last trip that i remember was about 400 mile round trip our 360 1/2 ton gasser pulling 6000 pound travel trailer and our friends in a ferd 3/4 with td pulling an 11000 5th wheel... we were cruising at a little over 60 and or rpm was about 2700.. his was about 1600 if i remember right... i know it was much lower than ours.. he averaged 13 mpg on the trip we averaged a little over 8 mpg.. not enough for us to justify a new truck because were weekend warriors but the difference when you do a lot of towing can be dramatic... our test was on flat freeway i wont talk about the difference in speed and rpm on grades that is pretty accurate. my 360 averaged about 14 around town and about 7 towing heavy load. on a highway trip i got about 15 maybe 16 with a wind. my ctd gets 15 around town 21 or 22 on a highway trip and anywhere from 10 uphill pull to 13 flat pull towing but my trailer is heavier now.....probably around 11k. my ctd is a 3500 and i really like the feel of that the way it drives a lot better than the 1500 gasser. it is an 03 so it isnt too noisy. i just like the way the ctd drives a whole lot better thanthe gasser. .
From : thesnoman
just wanted to say thanks for all the input we got in the past when we were looking for a new truck for the wife. we decided to go with a durango and actually lucked up better than i thought we would. was looking at a new one but then when we had about made our minds up on what options everything my father in law called and told us he was wanting to sell his 99 with barely 50k on it. i was able to pick it up at the family rate $6000. loaded leather 4wd the works and best of all she loves it! and no payments! since that worked out so well i decided it was time to get rid of my gas burner and buy that cummins i was really looking for when i bought my last truck so i took advantage of the ep and got a 2500 6 speed. now shes happy and ive got a new truck too. -chris .
From : christopher thompson
on wed 5 oct 2005 115251 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote seeing as it has been slow around here i figured this might wake it up a bit. seems that the 06 viper is 7 10ths. slower and 9 mph slower than the corvette z06 in the quarter mile. one place the viper did beat the corvette was price. viper cost approx 35k more. these tests were not done at the same location or same time or by the same drive but are a pretty good indication of what is to come. bud drop in and say hello. roy this place aint been the same since budd left. i miss the old fart. beekeep im sure hes reading this. this will pry him out. road runners suck!!!bfg roy .
From : tom lawrence
hi group! just had the tailpipe fall off the muffler on my 99 ctd. couple of questions for the exhaust experts in the group...are the pipes on the 99 ctds stainless steel ...is the muffler plain steel...is the muffler replacement a job that could be done at a midas shop tia fred .
From : mac davis
suddenly without warning carolina watercraft works exclaimed 06-oct-05 423 pm i seriously doubt your tires are old. look around...youll see those tires on just about everything....well here in the states anyway. put those puppies on and go ride. dont sweat the small stuff. oh i doubt theyre old either but since it was brought up cant hurt to look. wish i could get em installed today! i listened to bad advice concerning tire inflation on the back and didnt notice my error soon enough so now the center tread bead on all four is smooth though still legal and still showing good tread elsewhere. truck slides like its on grease now turning corners when the roads are wet. which in a normal summer this wasnt it was wonderful is most of the time. wont make the same mistake twice though! jmc .
From : thesnoman
mac davis wrote on thu 06 oct 2005 004328 gmt dennis lawrenceda@hotmail.com wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried imho if you cant pull it with your ctd it shouldnt be pulled... i have the 360 gas engine and would guess that youd need about 2 1/2 of them to equal the td and we pull a 28 foot 6000 pound trailer with it... ymmv 03 tahoe widelite 26gt travel trailer 99 dodge ram qq 2wd - 5.9l auto 355 gears no you just need better gearing. tall gears that some pickups come with really can cripple performance. while a 3.55 or 3.73 might worlk well with a oil burner you need a 4.10 or 4.56 to get the best out of a gas motor in a heavy pull because it has a differnet power curve. -- also i feel you should note he said the owner of the other truck felt there was a problem. you can take 5 people off the street and put them in the exact same truck pulling the exact same trailer and get 5 differnt reports as to how it performs. atleast thats been my experiance. chris ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : aarcuda69062
what do i torque the diff bolts to diff. bolts go to 30ft.lbs. what do i torque the tranny bolts to note i bought a new gasket and i dont to just snugem up. i want to do it right. the book says 125in.lbs. 10 ft.lbs. if your torque wrench will read that low. the parts guy said i needed friction modifier in the rear diff the parts guy is mis-informed... the aam 10.5 and 11.5 rear differentials use a trac-rite helical-gear-based lsd with no clutch packs. friction modifier wont hurt but is completely unnecessary and a waste of money. diff. so i bought two bottles. is it going to harm anything to use friction modifier in the front diff only to your wallet... the same goes for the new tranny pan gasket - the stock one is re-useable just like the front and rear diff gaskets. 6 qts mopar 75-140 synthetic gear lube this was a mis-print by dodge since corrected. standard oil is 75w-90 synthetic. the 75w-140 is only recommended if towing heavy and often. see tsb 03-001-04 for reference http//www.dodgeram.info/tsb/2004/03-001-04a.htm rtf for diffs no no no! the diff covers now use reuseable gaskets that are to be applied dry - no rtv or even rtf for that matter at all. tell the guys in the parts dept. to learn about the new trucks. gd! that gear lube is pricey ... $20 per qt. thats because of the magical mopar dust. i spend about $6/qt. at my local parts place. in fact 6 qts. mobil 1 75w-90 synthetic - $36 12 qts. pennzoil atf+3 - $36 i know they specify the +4... this is what i use napa wix tranny filter - $12 grand total with tax $89. this is why i never buy parts/supplies from the dealership. .
From : roy
big al nospamsal1@qwest.net wrote i hear ya! not sure that snoman gets it though... i have a 92 w250 360 5 speed 4x4 w/4.10 gears and a 04 2500 ctd 6 speed 4x4 w/3.73 gears. the diesel will out pull the gas truck with out trying. and it gets better mileage pulling a 6000 pound trailer than the gas truck gets empty. gm has a 650 ft. pound diesel now. cant wait to see dodges response to it snowman needs to drive a new diesel and then tell us about it. al got a 95 dakota 4x4 club cab with a 3.9 auto and 355 gears and a 97 2500 club cab ctd auto 354 gears the ctd gets better mileage than the dak even when the 2500 has my cuda hitched behind it on a trailer guessing 5000# tow weight the thing snoman is forgetting is that his gear ratios aint worth diddly when pulling a loaded trailer up a mountain. no way in hell the gears are going to compensate as the air gets thinner. my wish list has daimlerchryco offering a 4 cylinder turbo diesel in the dakota. hell a na diesel would get my interest! .
From : big al
macarty wrote is an automatic trasmission. i dont hear any mechanical noise only the engine now sound i little loud when shift from one then after that no more noise and when i slow down the gear go back to first gear fell like slips before a conplete stop and when move again. on fri 07 oct 2005 063522 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote macarty wrote hi i have 2002 quad 1500 ram and i think the trasmission start to tell me something well everytime i start the engine and go .. the first gear sound and feall like skip before goes foward is this reallyu bad. would this cost a lot to fix it i dont get is not really old the truck and allready problem with trasmission i start to think to not get any dodge anymore. does the truck have an automatic or manual transmission did you check fluid level -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : thesnoman
thanks to the successes of my ruv site http//utilityoffroad.com ive been featured on the back cover of a japanese magazine thats published by yamaha. if anyone is able to translate it for me it would be appreciated. http//utilityoffroad.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=5368 thanks -- nathan w. collier http//inlinediesel.com http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .
From : thenewguy
what do you think about acdelco power stearing pumps i find one here that comes from atlanta and cost me us$150. i havent see the pump jet but by the phone the person says that they are the same. clt. .
From : roy
roy wrote thenewguy wrote on fri 07 oct 2005 151543 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote sledneck wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... i have towed with gas for years and i have no plans of changing now. never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. i like the quietness of a gas motor and i am not found of the oder of diesel fuel or exhaust. i do work around diesels though and i have a 19k dozer sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. still do not like the smell though well i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only do i like the diesel better as a daily driver but when you get to towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others here for the technical answers but from a drivers perspective i can not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore. they have their place but not in my driveway again heir edge is over played but detriot no offering proper ratio options with gas motors like they did years ago. when you gear a gas and diesel the same way the gas will loss every day and it is that mind set that give the oil burner its big jump. what would you feel are the optimum gear for a gas and a diesel when you decide that perhaps would you give the results of mpg both loaded and m/t of the two trucks. btw gas is 2.71 here and diesel 3.34and you have to get over 20% better mpg just to break even with fuel cost with a diesel. a friend of mine bought his first oil burner and he is starting to have some second thought now a that extra payment is sinking in and he is paying more for fuel too. here in ma diesel and reg are the same price 2.79 at least it was yesterday roy i will not argue the mpg aspect because diesel has a edge because of higher compression ratio needed for it to run also yeilds higher thermodynamic efficency auto makers and gas truck owners are hung up on 87 octane so they cannot raise cr ratio higher to boost efficency and the fuel has a higher energy content so no surprizes here. as far as best ratio for a gasser that depends on the load and the engine and there is not blank rule but it is not a 3.55 or 3.73 like some think. another edge you have with diesels as shipped is that they operate at or very near their peak ve volumetric efficency which is also its torque peak when cruising where as a modern gas motor usually peaks past 3000 rpm and some as high as 4000 rpm not good for a tow motor. like a oil furner a gas motor will use the least amount of fuel per hp hour produced when working hard but most are hung up with lower rpms and efficency drops and mpg sucks. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : thesnoman
on fri 07 oct 2005 171247 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote thenewguy wrote on fri 07 oct 2005 151543 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote sledneck wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... i have towed with gas for years and i have no plans of changing now. never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. i like the quietness of a gas motor and i am not found of the oder of diesel fuel or exhaust. i do work around diesels though and i have a 19k dozer sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. still do not like the smell though well i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only do i like the diesel better as a daily driver but when you get to towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others here for the technical answers but from a drivers perspective i can not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore. they have their place but not in my driveway again heir edge is over played but detriot no offering proper ratio options with gas motors like they did years ago. when you gear a gas and diesel the same way the gas will loss every day and it is that mind set that give the oil burner its big jump. btw gas is 2.71 here and diesel 3.34and you have to get over 20% better mpg just to break even with fuel cost with a diesel. a friend of mine bought his first oil burner and he is starting to have some second thought now a that extra payment is sinking in and he is paying more for fuel too. ----------------- www.thesnoman.com not that much difference in price around here but my ctd gets much better mileagge than my dodge 360 ever got in its best wet dream. anyway to each his own i guess and again i am debating the technical merits mine are just comments from someone that has driven both used both as daily drivers and towed the same loads with both. if you think a gasser is better..................well then drive a gasser. .
From : thesnoman
thenewguy wrote on fri 07 oct 2005 151543 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote sledneck wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... i have towed with gas for years and i have no plans of changing now. never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. i like the quietness of a gas motor and i am not found of the oder of diesel fuel or exhaust. i do work around diesels though and i have a 19k dozer sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. still do not like the smell though well i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only do i like the diesel better as a daily driver but when you get to towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others here for the technical answers but from a drivers perspective i can not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore. they have their place but not in my driveway again heir edge is over played but detriot no offering proper ratio options with gas motors like they did years ago. when you gear a gas and diesel the same way the gas will loss every day and it is that mind set that give the oil burner its big jump. what would you feel are the optimum gear for a gas and a diesel when you decide that perhaps would you give the results of mpg both loaded and m/t of the two trucks. btw gas is 2.71 here and diesel 3.34and you have to get over 20% better mpg just to break even with fuel cost with a diesel. a friend of mine bought his first oil burner and he is starting to have some second thought now a that extra payment is sinking in and he is paying more for fuel too. here in ma diesel and reg are the same price 2.79 at least it was yesterday roy .
From : thenewguy
thenewguy wrote on fri 07 oct 2005 151543 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote sledneck wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... i have towed with gas for years and i have no plans of changing now. never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. i like the quietness of a gas motor and i am not found of the oder of diesel fuel or exhaust. i do work around diesels though and i have a 19k dozer sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. still do not like the smell though well i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only do i like the diesel better as a daily driver but when you get to towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others here for the technical answers but from a drivers perspective i can not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore. they have their place but not in my driveway again heir edge is over played but detriot no offering proper ratio options with gas motors like they did years ago. when you gear a gas and diesel the same way the gas will loss every day and it is that mind set that give the oil burner its big jump. btw gas is 2.71 here and diesel 3.34and you have to get over 20% better mpg just to break even with fuel cost with a diesel. a friend of mine bought his first oil burner and he is starting to have some second thought now a that extra payment is sinking in and he is paying more for fuel too. ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : mac davis
mac davis wrote on thu 06 oct 2005 152940 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote mac davis wrote on thu 06 oct 2005 004328 gmt dennis lawrenceda@hotmail.com wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried imho if you cant pull it with your ctd it shouldnt be pulled... i have the 360 gas engine and would guess that youd need about 2 1/2 of them to equal the td and we pull a 28 foot 6000 pound trailer with it... ymmv 03 tahoe widelite 26gt travel trailer 99 dodge ram qq 2wd - 5.9l auto 355 gears no you just need better gearing. tall gears that some pickups come with really can cripple performance. while a 3.55 or 3.73 might worlk well with a oil burner you need a 4.10 or 4.56 to get the best out of a gas motor in a heavy pull because it has a differnet power curve. not for us sno.. it pulls ok when we need it to and its also a daily driver... the 14 - 15 mpg on trips and maybe 11 in town are bad enough with the 3.55.. *g* you need a 3.55 with a diesel because of its limited rpm range so that does not mean much. the false edge that oil burner gets towing is that some people have a mental block about deeper gear ratios with a gas motor. the though of a 4.56 with a small block scares them off but od takes it down to about a effective 3.2 or so. you can tow some very serious weight with a gas motor and a 4.56. heck i drove a 427 powered 20 sp triaxle dumptruck in the later 70s while attending college. it weighed 20k empty and 60 k loaded. it was pretty perky empty for it size and could still hit and hold 60 to 65 on faily flat ground hauling 20 tons with its weak gas motor. it is all in the gearing. btw i used to average about 5 mpg with it and about 7 to 8 mpg with a c60 single axle dump with a 10 speed and 366 hauling 8 tons or so. my 2000 srw k3500 does not see much daily use but it averages about 13 around town and 16 to 17 on the road. during the winter when loaded with salt and plow i average about 9 or 10 overall. it is long paid for and if i repolaced it tommorrow it would be with another gas truck not planning to for a few years at soonest though with money saved on cheaper truck i get and keep some econoboxs for most daily chores and the big iron last a lot longer and the fuel saved pays for the econobox too. so rather than have a truck with 100k plus after five years i have one with 30 or 40k and and a paid for econobox for same money or less. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : dennis
on wed 5 oct 2005 115251 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote seeing as it has been slow around here i figured this might wake it up a bit. seems that the 06 viper is 7 10ths. slower and 9 mph slower than the corvette z06 in the quarter mile. one place the viper did beat the corvette was price. viper cost approx 35k more. these tests were not done at the same location or same time or by the same drive but are a pretty good indication of what is to come. bud drop in and say hello. roy this place aint been the same since budd left. i miss the old fart. beekeep .
From : thesnoman
on wed 5 oct 2005 m.j.p. wrote looking at goodyears in both cases. i just wonder if there is really any advantage to the blockier tread on a goodyear tracker or if its mostly appearance and theyre charging more for the idea its a truck tire. the only advantage to goodyear tires is you will have to buy another set in about 15-20k. absolute shit. my last 3 new dodges all had goodyear tires and all had to be replaced at around 15k. if you want a good tire go with a bfg. just my personal thought on this. mjp. agreed on all points. ds .
From : greg surratt
aarcuda69062 wrote dennis lawrenceda@hotmail.com wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes be very worried. every time you encounter a grade while pulling your trailer with your ctd you run a very high risk of running the gassers over. ;- you should have no problems but even a 360 properly geared would pull it okay. it is likely that the person that pulled it with a 360 had a 3.55 axle ratio and it would tow poorly on hills with that and a gas 360. -- ----------------- www.thesnoman.com .
From : aarcuda69062
on 4 oct 2005 074217 -0700 ad absurdum per aspera jtchew@california.com wrote probably most people with pickups and suvs are fine with a tire in the passenger series and the highway style -- but there are also numerous exceptions and if youre one of the exceptions you wouldnt want to get stuck in more than one sense of the word with a badly wrong tire. i dont go off road occasionally drive into the back yard to haul firewood and dont very often load the truck heavily the back yard firewood situation being the major exception. however this is the third worst snow vehicle ive ever had although a lot better than the first and second worst 79 monza spyder 305 and 69 new yorker so i was considering perhaps making a selection for better snow performance. .
From : max dodge
dennis lawrenceda@hotmail.com wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes be very worried. every time you encounter a grade while pulling your trailer with your ctd you run a very high risk of running the gassers over. ;- .
From : sledneck
im just now replacing the original equipment tires on my 2001 dakota at 49000. if winter werent coming on id wait another 6 months. gary k. conn. the only advantage to goodyear tires is you will have to buy another set in about 15-20k. absolute shit. my last 3 new dodges all had goodyear tires and all had to be replaced at around 15k. if you want a good tire go with a bfg. just my personal thought on this. mjp. posted via uncensored-.com - accounts starting at $6.95 - http//www.uncensored-.com the worlds uncensored source .
From : thesnoman
on fri 07 oct 2005 151543 gmt thesnoman admin@snoman.com wrote sledneck wrote i have a 26-5c arctic fox 2006 5th wheel on order due end of october. i visited the dealer today and found he has a 2005 model sitting in his inventory. he told me that the previous owner had a 360 dodge gas truck and had problems pulling this unit. frankly this scared the blazes out of me. my truck is a 97 - 3/4 ton ctd 12 valve. i know the truck has 180 hp and 420 ft lbs of torque. its an auto. transmission and i dont intend ever using the od feature with this new trailer. i know nothing about the power of a 360 dodge vs my truck. do i need to be worried yes.... i will never pull anything with a gas motor again. had an 02 ho ctd sold it and got the hemi... lol... i now have a 04 ho ctd and i will never go back to gas... i have towed with gas for years and i have no plans of changing now. never had any problems if they are properly geared for the load. i like the quietness of a gas motor and i am not found of the oder of diesel fuel or exhaust. i do work around diesels though and i have a 19k dozer sitting in my yard now for a job this weekend. still do not like the smell though well i am on the opposite end. i towed with gas for years because i listened to all those people who hate diesels. finally bought my first diesel about four years ago. there is no comparison. not only do i like the diesel better as a daily driver but when you get to towing the diesel shines. i am not a techy guy and rely on others here for the technical answers but from a drivers perspective i can not imagine anyone that would tow with a gas motor anymore. .
From : aarcuda69062
macarty wrote i dont remeber when i change it the oil to the trasmission but the oil to the engine last time was 3months ago. and i almost at 60k miles . i like toi said that i had some problem because i didnt change the oil to the engine filter dirty fuel pump ecc ecc. and now this you think that could be the reason yep. change it and have the pan dropped and filter changed. probably dirty oil and a clogged filter. hopefully no damage. .
From : ljb
i work at the tire rack and saw this post. i am very glad to hear your experience went well and appreciate the recommendations from others. the age of the tire is determined by the last 6 digits of the dot number stamped on the sidewall near the bead. 2 digits tell the week in which the tire was produced and the last 4 tell the year. hear are two articles on our website that explain this fully reading the sidewall http//www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsptechid=33 determining the age http//www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsptechid=11 i hope this helps tim .