Dodge - need to know about the brakes
From : Annonymous
Q: well i dont know of hd trucks but dakotas have notoriously bad brakeshad to change rotors after 30k. went with aftermarket rotors and good padsthe new rotors have 60k on em and ive had to change pads once since..i dont know what the hds suffer from but if its the same problem its no big deal.on mon 27 oct 2003 095903 -0700 scott bubbaunixdude@yahoo.com wrote ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. what i want to know is what years to stay away from when looking at used heavy duty cummins. i am willing to look back to the mid-90s to stay within my budget. i also heard that the trucks with the manual transmissions seemed to not have any problems with their brakes. is that true what year did dodge finally fix the problem also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles thanks for your input. scott .
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From : davcook
i have a 97 with 435000 on it and have only replaced the front pads once and a 99 with 225 on it and it has the orig. breaks all parts. both are 3500s and get worked hard everd day abd both are 5.9s but they both have jake breaks too. scott wrote ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. what i want to know is what years to stay away from when looking at used heavy duty cummins. i am willing to look back to the mid-90s to stay within my budget. i also heard that the trucks with the manual transmissions seemed to not have any problems with their brakes. is that true what year did dodge finally fix the problem also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles thanks for your input. scott .
From : joe blow
granted - the brakes are no where near the 2003s braking ability and the brakes on my 99 2500 are also far better before i completely re-did them for other reasons. however they do stop the truck adequately. tom what did you do to your brakes my 96 3500 4x4 gave me that good old metal to metal sound yesterday so its time to do something. tia .
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From : tom lawrence
tom what did you do to your brakes my 96 3500 4x4 gave me that good old metal to metal sound yesterday so its time to do something. metal to metal is never good - how worn are your front pads unless it happened once and you parked the truck your front rotors are probably pretty scored. most of the time rotors arent worth turning anymore. at any rate get a look at the front brakes asap check the rotor for scoring or warping and if needed either have them turned if possible or better yet replace them can be had for around $100 for the pair - its the labor to change them out thats the big hit - but its the same labor to disassemble them for turning. as for what i did on my 99 new slotted rotors up front rear-disc brake conversion new proportioning valve ss braided hoses all around and some electronic tweaks to the abs system to allow it to deal with the 38 tires. its much better than it was but id still tear it all out and swap in the braking system from the 03s if i could... it took em a long time but dodge finally figured out brakes .
From : joe blow
tom what did you do to your brakes my 96 3500 4x4 gave me that good old metal to metal sound yesterday so its time to do something. as for what i did on my 99 new slotted rotors up front rear-disc brake conversion new proportioning valve ss braided hoses all around and some electronic tweaks to the abs system to allow it to deal with the 38 tires. http//www.egrbrakes.com or something else im only running a 33 tire so i dont think i need the tweaks. its much better than it was but id still tear it all out and swap in the braking system from the 03s if i could... it took em a long time but dodge finally figured out brakes me too... thanks .
From : tom lawrence
ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. we do also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles see... this is how rumors get started. what was once a wter snake has turned into the loch ness monster. i have a 95 3500 and in a little over 100k ive changed front pads 4 times rotors once rear shoes once and still have the stock rear drums. its an automatic so it tends to be a little harder on brakes. however 20-30k for a set of front pads that cost $30 and take about an hour to replace isnt exactly horrible imo. granted - the brakes are no where near the 2003s braking ability and the brakes on my 99 2500 are also far better before i completely re-did them for other reasons. however they do stop the truck adequately. what i will suggest is that you try and find a truck with four-wheel abs as opposed to the standard rear-wheel anti-lock. the rwal systems are a band-aid fix at best to prevent rear-wheel lockup at the expense of overall braking effectiveness. .
From : Annonymous
yea never could figure out why just rear wheel. doesnt make much sense just modulating the rears.on tue 28 oct 2003 055135 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. we do also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles see... this is how rumors get started. what was once a wter snake has turned into the loch ness monster. i have a 95 3500 and in a little over 100k ive changed front pads 4 times rotors once rear shoes once and still have the stock rear drums. its an automatic so it tends to be a little harder on brakes. however 20-30k for a set of front pads that cost $30 and take about an hour to replace isnt exactly horrible imo. granted - the brakes are no where near the 2003s braking ability and the brakes on my 99 2500 are also far better before i completely re-did them for other reasons. however they do stop the truck adequately. what i will suggest is that you try and find a truck with four-wheel abs as opposed to the standard rear-wheel anti-lock. the rwal systems are a band-aid fix at best to prevent rear-wheel lockup at the expense of overall braking effectiveness. .
From : tom lawrence
the heavy duty trucks had 12 inch brakes. 13 actually... .
From : dick puter413atyahoo com
its the rears that gain or lose traction depending on the load you are carrying. they used to have a load sensing valve conected to the rear spring that worked just as well as rear abs. its the undersized rear brakes that worries me 9 on a v8 4x4. they offered 10 then 11 optional on 98 dakota/durangos i think. please let me know if you hear of someone willing to sell the conversion parts to 11 for a reasonable price. yards wont seperate brakes from the axle. dick yea never could figure out why just rear wheel. doesnt make much sense just modulating the rears.on tue 28 oct 2003 055135 gmt tom ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. we do also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles see... this is how rumors get started. what was once a wter snake has turned into the loch ness monster. i have a 95 3500 and in a little over 100k ive changed front pads 4 times rotors once rear shoes once and still have the stock rear drums. its an automatic so it tends to be a little harder on brakes. however 20-30k for a set of front pads that cost $30 and take about an hour to replace isnt exactly horrible imo. granted - the brakes are no where near the 2003s braking ability and the brakes on my 99 2500 are also far better before i completely re-did them for other reasons. however they do stop the truck adequately. what i will suggest is that you try and find a truck with four-wheel abs as opposed to the standard rear-wheel anti-lock. the rwal systems are a band-aid fix at best to prevent rear-wheel lockup at the expense of overall braking effectiveness. --- outgoing mail is certified virus free. checked by avg anti-virus system http//www.grisoft.com. version 6.0.530 / virus database 325 - release date 10/22/2003 .
From : redneck tookover hell
its the undersized rear brakes that worries me 9 on a v8 4x4. they offered 10 then 11 optional on 98 dakota/durangos i think. the poster was asking about dodge heavy duty trucks. somehow 1500s dakotas & durangos dont meet that definition. the heavy duty trucks had 12 inch brakes. ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .
From : Annonymousscott
the poster was asking about hd breaks redneck but no matter what model truck brakes are brakes and will inherently have the same problems. now get backin your singlewide. in other words your point is moot! on 28 oct 2003 170739 gmt mopar440@aol.comedy.biz redneck tookover hell wrote its the undersized rear brakes that worries me 9 on a v8 4x4. they offered 10 then 11 optional on 98 dakota/durangos i think. the poster was asking about dodge heavy duty trucks. somehow 1500s dakotas & durangos dont meet that definition. the heavy duty trucks had 12 inch brakes. ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .
From : scott
ok. we all know that dodge had some serious brake problems at one point on their heavy duty trucks. we do also did dodge ever come out with a fix for the owners of those particular trucks if not are there people driving around right now in trucks still having to change their brakes every few thousand miles see... this is how rumors get started. what was once a wter snake has turned into the loch ness monster. i have a 95 3500 and in a little over 100k ive changed front pads 4 times rotors once rear shoes once and still have the stock rear drums. its an automatic so it tends to be a little harder on brakes. however 20-30k for a set of front pads that cost $30 and take about an hour to replace isnt exactly horrible imo. granted - the brakes are no where near the 2003s braking ability and the brakes on my 99 2500 are also far better before i completely re-did them for other reasons. however they do stop the truck adequately. what i will suggest is that you try and find a truck with four-wheel abs as opposed to the standard rear-wheel anti-lock. the rwal systems are a band-aid fix at best to prevent rear-wheel lockup at the expense of overall braking effectiveness. tom thats great that you havent had problems with your brakes on your particular truck. however the fact is that just because you havent had any problems with your brakes doesnt mean that other people have not. case in point i found this thread at the following website. http//www.cartrackers.com/forums/live/chrysler/29.html another case in point i used to work at a dodge dealership here locally in phoenix. in talking with some of the old timers that have been there for ten plus years they would just shake their heads at the customer service nightmare that the brake problems on the heavy duties caused. having customers coming in every 3000 miles to have their brakes redone was rediculous. anyways all the above is besides the point. i know for a fact from several good sources that there were brake problems at one time. the simple fact is that i just dont remember what years to avoid in looking at used dodge heavy duties thats all. or i want to know if dodge fixed the problematic trucks with a permanent fix. this is not a water snake turning into a loch ness monster like you put it. tom i am a dodge fan through and through but at the same time i am willing to move beyond my personal bias and call a spade a spade if need be. thanks scott .
From : tom lawrence
case in point i found this thread at the following website. http//www.cartrackers.com/forums/live/chrysler/29.html well ill be damned.... 11 posts in almost four years. did somebody call nhtsa but at the same time i am willing to move beyond my personal bias and call a spade a spade if need be. i have no problem with that. however having read this group for several years as well as other forums i havent seen this huge brake problem youre alluding to. 1/2-ton trucks and daks/durangos as well with warping rotors - yes. rear drums that dont self-adjust - sure. crappy rwal - absolutely. but a chronic problem that requires owners to replace pads every 3k no. anyhow - good luck with your search. .
From : redneck tookover hell
hey pecker head its b-r-a-k-e-s no brakes arent brakes when you get out of junior high maybe youll be able to understand swept area so much for your drivel the poster was asking about hd breaks redneck but no matter what model truck brakes are brakes and will inherently have the same problems. now get backin your singlewide. in other words your point is moot! ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .