Diesels in the US?
From : milesh
Q: laura byrne wrote europe has embraced clean diesel cars pickups and suvs for their performance fuel economy and improved emissions. why has the u.s. market been slower to respond were discussing this at forums.dieselforum.org in the light duty forum. if youre interested please stop in and join the discussion. thanks. cleaner is subject to interpretation. i believe diesels are more difficult to get to pass the current us emissions requirements. they produce alot of particulates. so it becomes a matter of what one feels is clean. co2 carbon monoxide particulates or when i visit outside the usa the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution permeates the air. is this better or worse than other forms of pollution from gas engines i dont know but i believe politics has alot to do with how one country views it. .
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From : big al
laura byrne wrote europe has embraced clean diesel cars pickups and suvs for their performance fuel economy and improved emissions. why has the u.s. market been slower to respond were discussing this at forums.dieselforum.org in the light duty forum. if youre interested please stop in and join the discussion. thanks. cleaner is subject to interpretation. i believe diesels are more difficult to get to pass the current us emissions requirements. they produce alot of particulates. so it becomes a matter of what one feels is clean. co2 carbon monoxide particulates or when i visit outside the usa the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution permeates the air. is this better or worse than other forms of pollution from gas engines i dont know but i believe politics has alot to do with how one country views it. just back from three weeks in italy. lots of diesel cars and trucks. did not notice any diesel smell or see big clouds of black smoke. even in downtown rome. now get behind one of our city buses... and i rented two identical cars one diesel one gas. the diesel was an intercooled turbo gas was na. the diesel was much quicker off the line but did not have the top end muscle of the gas burner. but it did get over 53 mpg combined city/highway driving. i was very impressed. there are lots of chrysler products there with diesel power. mostly jeeps and mini vans. if our fuel prices stay the way they are they cant be far off. al. .
From : tbone
laura byrne wrote europe has embraced clean diesel cars pickups and suvs for their performance fuel economy and improved emissions. why has the u.s. market been slower to respond were discussing this at forums.dieselforum.org in the light duty forum. if youre interested please stop in and join the discussion. thanks. cleaner is subject to interpretation. i believe diesels are more difficult to get to pass the current us emissions requirements. they produce alot of particulates. so it becomes a matter of what one feels is clean. co2 carbon monoxide particulates or when i visit outside the usa the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution permeates the air. is this better or worse than other forms of pollution from gas engines i dont know but i believe politics has alot to do with how one country views it. really and what countries would that be -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : milesh
tbone wrote cleaner is subject to interpretation. i believe diesels are more difficult to get to pass the current us emissions requirements. they produce alot of particulates. so it becomes a matter of what one feels is clean. co2 carbon monoxide particulates or when i visit outside the usa the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution permeates the air. is this better or worse than other forms of pollution from gas engines i dont know but i believe politics has alot to do with how one country views it. really and what countries would that be what exactly is your question are you suggesting that politics plays no roll in a given countries emissions regulations .
From : tbone
tbone wrote cleaner is subject to interpretation. i believe diesels are more difficult to get to pass the current us emissions requirements. they produce alot of particulates. so it becomes a matter of what one feels is clean. co2 carbon monoxide particulates or when i visit outside the usa the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution permeates the air. is this better or worse than other forms of pollution from gas engines i dont know but i believe politics has alot to do with how one country views it. really and what countries would that be what exactly is your question are you suggesting that politics plays no roll in a given countries emissions regulations not at all i just want to know what countries that you have been to have the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution in the air. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .
From : milesh
tbone wrote not at all i just want to know what countries that you have been to have the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution in the air. moscow london mexico city for starters. london mostly in the downtown area i assume because of the incredibly heavy traffic there. .
From : Annonymous
on 13 jul 2004 155338 edt milesh milesh@nounwantedspam.com wrote tbone wrote not at all i just want to know what countries that you have been to have the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution in the air. moscow london mexico city for starters. london mostly in the downtown area i assume because of the incredibly heavy traffic there. ill agree with london and mexico df. add to that ougadougou no emission controls and lots of 2 stroke mopeds add to the mix and lusaka/livingstone zambia eastern block diesel busses stink most countries with emission control regulations have cleaned up their diesels significantly but it seems getting power and zero particulates from an oil burner is somewhat problematic. and americans want power. i think diesel will make a comeback in america - but it will be direct injection computer controlled turbo diesels that will make the complexity of our current gasoline engine controls look very simple by comparison. .
From : redneck tookover hell
not at all i just want to know what countries that you have been to have the unmistakable smell of heavy diesel pollution in the air. the boner couldnt understand the term other countries politics the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich. .
From : jacob suter
tbone wrote really and what countries would that be according to someone who spent about 6 months in south korea in the late 80s it did smell like diesel. from what i hear its changed radically since then... js .
From : drew cutter
according to someone who spent about 6 months in south korea in the late 80s it did smell like diesel. from what i hear its changed radically since then... js any on dodge mega cab that suppose to have diesel mention on this web page http//www.allpar.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=36670&st=44 by the way other truck mfg. are coming out with diesel. also the next couple of years you will see different hybrid version of their trucks. dodge seems to be pushing diesel as their hybrid fuel truck . all in the name of saving gas. just my .02 . .
From : trey
jay smith wrote do you really think diesel is going to make a come back in the u.s. what rock have you guys been under its on the way go down to your jeep dealer in the fall and drive one. http//www.jeep.com/crd/index.htmlcontext=libertyhome&type=promo hmm.... i will have to give my local dealer a call. do you happen to know any details on the engine chrisyler is never very informative in that department. according to someone who spent about 6 months in south korea in the late 80s it did smell like diesel. from what i hear its changed radically since then... js any on dodge mega cab that suppose to have diesel mention on this web page http//www.allpar.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=36670&st=44 by the way other truck mfg. are coming out with diesel. also the next couple of years you will see different hybrid version of their trucks. dodge seems to be pushing diesel as their hybrid fuel truck . all in the name of saving gas. just my .02 . .
From : jay smith
do you really think diesel is going to make a come back in the u.s. what rock have you guys been under its on the way go down to your jeep dealer in the fall and drive one. http//www.jeep.com/crd/index.htmlcontext=libertyhome&type=promo according to someone who spent about 6 months in south korea in the late 80s it did smell like diesel. from what i hear its changed radically since then... js any on dodge mega cab that suppose to have diesel mention on this web page http//www.allpar.com/forums/index.phpshowtopic=36670&st=44 by the way other truck mfg. are coming out with diesel. also the next couple of years you will see different hybrid version of their trucks. dodge seems to be pushing diesel as their hybrid fuel truck . all in the name of saving gas. just my .02 . .
From : jay smith
hmm.... i will have to give my local dealer a call. do you happen to know any details on the engine chrisyler is never very informative in that department. i dont know anything about the engine. at the jeep website it does state that it will not be for sale in ca or the north east. so that means it must not meet the emission for those states. .
From : trey
jay smith wrote hmm.... i will have to give my local dealer a call. do you happen to know any details on the engine chrisyler is never very informative in that department. i dont know anything about the engine. at the jeep website it does state that it will not be for sale in ca or the north east. so that means it must not meet the emission for those states. ugh! i need to get out of california! govinator or not this place sucks. its no wonder so many companies are leaving california. with all the laws and regulations they cant do anything. i remember my dad worked for a place many many years ago they got so fed up with the restrictions and regulations it was cheaper for them to move their opperation to arizona and pay the entire crew and staff to move with them. .