Diesel question
From : dan danl danny boy redbeard actually greybeard now
Q: hi all i was wondering if anyone here has has used propane injection as a milage booster. i have little knowledge about propane injection other than ads and articles that proclaim tremendous milage gains. i dont believe the milage claims but think there may be enough of an increase to warrant a more detailed examination of propane injection. no i do not have a diesel at this time but it never hurts to research options. please no it doesnt work comments unless there has been first hand use so you can back it up details of your experience. thanks for taking the time to read this and any info that may come from it. ive learned that i dont suffer from insanity i enjoy it! danl4x@charter.net remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.secretweaponlures.com a proud charter member of petaf people for eating tasty animals and fish!!! .
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From : christopher thompson
on sun 02 jul 2006 150704 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote yeah that coking oil on turbo bearings is a real ego problem. it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. funny ive never seen a water jacket pass through a exhaust manifold. -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : nosey
snoman wrote most turbos used water cooled bearings too. really -- ken .
From : snoman
on sun 02 jul 2006 022347 -0600 .bob bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off ego they mostly want everyone to know they have one. you should let one idel for a few minutes after a hard pull but no need to in town driving. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : bigironram
i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off -- .bob arrived 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. http//www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showthread.phpt=161721 .
From : max dodge
ego they mostly want everyone to know they have one. you should let one idel for a few minutes after a hard pull but no need to in town driving. yeah that coking oil on turbo bearings is a real ego problem. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on sun 02 jul 2006 022347 -0600 .bob bobcowan@access4less.nospam.net wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off ego they mostly want everyone to know they have one. you should let one idel for a few minutes after a hard pull but no need to in town driving. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : snoman
on sun 02 jul 2006 150704 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote yeah that coking oil on turbo bearings is a real ego problem. it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. there is no need at all to let is run while you in the store or during other errands unless you have two reason one is you want to let evenone know that you have a diesel and the second it you want to make sure you are keeping the emmisions flowing for it too. . i have run some heavy equipment on and off ove rthe years and when i work one hard i may let it idle for a few minutes before i shut it down to stabilize tempaturess but i do with gas equipment too. if turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : tom lawrence
it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. why dont you stick with what you know - which apparently is limited to the gasoline engines of the 60s and 70s. only the duramax uses a water-cooled turbo - both the powerstroke and the cummins turbos are air-cooled. while you are correct that just light driving around town will not get the turbo hot enough to cook the oil assuming its a good-quality oil coming off the interstate to a rest stop usually requires at least a couple of minutes of idling to ensure safe turbo temps before shutdown. want to make sure you are keeping the emmisions flowing for it too. . emissions from an idling diesel do you have any idea how much less fuel an idling diesel consumes vs. that of an idling gas engine theres no need to maintain a specific a/f ratio on a diesel... it could be as little as 1001. compare that to the 151 ratio of a gasoline engine and you tell me whos polluting more i have run some heavy equipment on and off ove rthe years and when i so you abused vehicles that you didnt have to pay for... big deal. turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. its not like a turbos going to grenade itself from being shut down hot once. however over time premature b
From : nosey
constantly shut down hot. a little preventive action goes a long way to extending the life of a turbo. . 222 319427 e8994o$vfd$1@nntp.aioe.org tom lawrence wrote only the duramax uses a water-cooled turbo - both the powerstroke and the cummins turbos are air-cooled. dont the holset turbos on the cummins engines have oil cooled bearings im not familiar with the powerstroke. http//www.holset.co.uk/files/232-turbocharger%20components.php trivia the aircraft ecs turbine compressors that i worked on had air bearings. not air cooled bearings air bearings. the shafts rotated on pressurized air. -- ken .
From : Annonymous
on sun 02 jul 2006 171433 gmt snoman admin@snoman.com wrote on sun 02 jul 2006 150704 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote yeah that coking oil on turbo bearings is a real ego problem. it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. there is no need at all to let is run while you in the store or during other errands unless you have two reason one is you want to let evenone know that you have a diesel and the second it you want to make sure you are keeping the emmisions flowing for it too. . i have run some heavy equipment on and off ove rthe years and when i work one hard i may let it idle for a few minutes before i shut it down to stabilize tempaturess but i do with gas equipment too. if turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com man you just wont stop will ya why dont you just paint a friggin target on yourself .
From : max dodge
it will not cook driving around town. that depends directly on the load being moved which is not a given in this discussion. if turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. the suggestion was that turbos which are fairly fragile by inherent nature need some time to spool down. this means that rather than ego it may be a matter of conservative maintenance or convenience on the part of the owner. but hey feel free to spit vile and crap based on your stupid yup its stupid opinion on the characteristics of diesels. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on sun 02 jul 2006 150704 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote yeah that coking oil on turbo bearings is a real ego problem. it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. there is no need at all to let is run while you in the store or during other errands unless you have two reason one is you want to let evenone know that you have a diesel and the second it you want to make sure you are keeping the emmisions flowing for it too. . i have run some heavy equipm
From : tom lawrence
work one hard i may let it idle for a few minutes before i shut it down to stabilize tempaturess but i do with gas equipment too. if turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com . 222 319430 qizpg.1926$ye3.518@read1..pas.earthlink.net dont the holset turbos on the cummins engines have oil cooled bearings did i say air-cooled man... im out of it today too much work in the shop. sorry bout that... yes theyre oil-cooled .
From : beekeep
on sun 02 jul 2006 194451 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote its not like a turbos going to grenade itself from being shut down hot once. however over time premature bearing wear will develop if theyre constantly shut down hot. a little preventive action goes a long way to extending the life of a turbo. you guys be carefull going around town with a turbo - bush might think youre a terrorist. beekeep .
From : christopher thompson
it will not cook driving around town. most turbos used water cooled bearings too. why dont you stick with what you know - which apparently is limited to the gasoline engines of the 60s and 70s. only the duramax uses a water-cooled turbo - both the powerstroke and the cummins turbos are air-cooled. while you are correct that just light driving around town will not get the turbo hot enough to cook the oil assuming its a good-quality oil coming off the interstate to a rest stop usually requires at least a couple of minutes of idling to ensure safe turbo temps before shutdown. want to make sure you are keeping the emmisions flowing for it too. . emissions from an idling diesel do you have any idea how much less fuel an idling diesel consumes vs. that of an idling gas engine theres no need to maintain a specific a/f ratio on a diesel... it could be as little as 1001. compare that to the 151 ratio of a gasoline engine and you tell me whos polluting more i have run some heavy equipment on and off ove rthe years and when i so you abused vehicles that you didnt have to pay for... big deal. turbo diesels were as fragile as max dodge suggests there would be a lot of dead ones out there. its not like a turbos going to grenade itself from being shut down hot once. however over time premature bearing wear will develop if theyre constantly shut down hot. a little preventive action goes a long way to extending the life of a turbo. i thought we were done with him.. how come we both cant help ourselves just askin tom...bg -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : christopher thompson
moparman wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off i leave mine running so the people gassing up next to me can enjoy my ode-de-diesel parfume. my exhaust smells like ode-de-fried-chicken. -- ken mine too been getting the b20 from the local shell works well and less smoke. havent noted any loss of power or mpg either. hows it working out for you ken -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : nosey
christopher thompson wrote moparman wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off i leave mine running so the people gassing up next to me can enjoy my ode-de-diesel parfume. my exhaust smells like ode-de-fried-chicken. -- ken mine too been getting the b20 from the local shell works well and less smoke. havent noted any loss of power or mpg either. hows it working out for you ken other than the neighborhood dogs following me down the street its working out great. i havent noticed any loss of power but my mileage is down slightly on b100. less smoke and it runs quieter. ken .
From : christopher thompson
other than the neighborhood dogs following me down the street its working out great. i havent noticed any loss of power but my mileage is down slightly on b100. less smoke and it runs quieter. ken where are you getting b100 are you brewing yourself any stability problems how much did you loose on the 100 the only station selling bio in this area is actually in centerville and sells b20 along with regular petrol. i havent noticed a reduction in noise on the liberty or the ram with the b20 maybe its not diluted enough to quieten them much. my only other problem is im spending more at kfc. im glad to hear that people are running the bio ive been a long time proponet of bio fuels the infastucture is already in place to dist. -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : nosey
christopher thompson wrote other than the neighborhood dogs following me down the street its work= ing out great. i havent noticed any loss of power but my mileage is down slightly on b100. less smoke and it runs quieter. ken where are you getting b100 are you brewing yourself any stability problems how much did you loose on the 100 the only station selling bio in this area is actually in centerville and sells b20 along with regular petrol. i havent noticed a reduction in noise on the liberty or the ram with the b20 maybe its not diluted enough to quieten them much. my only other problem is im spending more at kfc. im glad to hear that people are running the bio ive been a long time proponet of bio fuels the infastucture is already in place to dist. -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs try this http//www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/ s=2ea. white oil company sells it here. i bought a tank of b100 from them to see how my truck would run on it before i started making my own. i lost about 1.5 mpg on that tank. so far ive made 60 gallons but i havent burned any of that yet. there shouldnt be any stability problems with it in warm weather. b100 starts to jell somewhere around 40=b0f. im going to have to experiment with different blends in the freezer this fall. it rarely goes below 20=b0f here in the winter so im going to shoot for a blend good down to 15=b0f in the colder months. --=20 ken .
From : moparman
i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off i leave mine running so the people gassing up next to me can enjoy my ode-de-diesel parfume. if they are black i usually rev it up real good before pulling out. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .
From : nosey
moparman wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off i leave mine running so the people gassing up next to me can enjoy my ode-de-diesel parfume. my exhaust smells like ode-de-fried-chicken. -- ken .
From : moparman
moparman wrote i dont own a diesel never have. ive driven a few 925s hummvs. i see diesel truck owners stop at a store or business and leave the engine running. not on particularly cold or hot days either. why is that is there some reason not to shut the engine off i leave mine running so the people gassing up next to me can enjoy my ode-de-diesel parfume. my exhaust smells like ode-de-fried-chicken. -- ken they should pay you for advertising. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .
From : snoman
in theory it is supposed to help diesel burn better but you are also adding energy to engine as well as there is about 90k btus in a gallon of propane vs about 140k in a gallon of diesel and this energy makes the heat that drives the engine. when you consider any mpg gain possible you must also factor it against the added cost of propane too. personally i would not bother because it will likely never pay for itself. on mon 13 mar 2006 103304 -0600 dan danl danny boy redbeard actually greybeard now danl4x@charter.net wrote hi all i was wondering if anyone here has has used propane injection as a milage booster. i have little knowledge about propane injection other than ads and articles that proclaim tremendous milage gains. i dont believe the milage claims but think there may be enough of an increase to warrant a more detailed examination of propane injection. no i do not have a diesel at this time but it never hurts to research options. please no it doesnt work comments unless there has been first hand use so you can back it up details of your experience. thanks for taking the time to read this and any info that may come from it. ive learned that i dont suffer from insanity i enjoy it! danl4x@charter.net remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.secretweaponlures.com a proud charter member of petaf people for eating tasty animals and fish!!! .
From : christopher thompson
try this http//www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/ s.a. white oil company sells it here. i bought a tank of b100 from them to see how my truck would run on it before i started making my own. i lost about 1.5 mpg on that tank. so far ive made 60 gallons but i havent burned any of that yet. there shouldnt be any stability problems with it in warm weather. b100 starts to jell somewhere around 40f. im going to have to experiment with different blends in the freezer this fall. it rarely goes below 20f here in the winter so im going to shoot for a blend good down to 15f in the colder months. -- ken thats the info i was looking for. im south of you a little ways and have simmular weather let me know how it works out for you on your blends. for now i think im gonna stick with the b20 at the shell get a few more miles with that before/if i get into trying to make my own. thanks for the link i see they dont have the station i use listed but do have one in perry and another in macon listed neither of witch i had heard about as far as a bio retailer. -- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .
From : forester yahoo com
max dodge wrote the suggestion was that turbos which are fairly fragile by inherent nature need some time to spool down. define time. if they arent being spun up by the exhaust gas they wont spin for long. .
From : olaf
in theory it is supposed to help diesel burn better but you are also adding energy to engine as well as there is about 90k btus in a gallon of propane vs about 140k in a gallon of diesel and this energy makes the heat that drives the engine. when you consider any mpg gain possible you must also factor it against the added cost of propane too. personally i would not bother because it will likely never pay for itself. i agree. not only for the cost of installation and propane but for the sense of adding a fuel that will start burning way before tdc which works against your engine. it seems to me propane injection unless its injected under pressure at the proper time somehow would almost only serve to ignite the diesel fuel more rapidly since therell be a fire in the chamber already when the diesel fuel is injected and let it burn more completely. most if not all of the energy gained from the propane burning after tdc would be absorbed by the fire happening before tdc. but it probably will make the diesel fuel burn more completely. on mon 13 mar 2006 103304 -0600 dan danl danny boy redbeard actually greybeard now danl4x@charter.net wrote hi all i was wondering if anyone here has has used propane injection as a milage booster. i have little knowledge about propane injection other than ads and articles that proclaim tremendous milage gains. i dont believe the milage claims but think there may be enough of an increase to warrant a more detailed examination of propane injection. no i do not have a diesel at this time but it never hurts to research options. please no it doesnt work comments unless there has been first hand use so you can back it up details of your experience. thanks for taking the time to read this and any info that may come from it. ive learned that i dont suffer from insanity i enjoy it! danl4x@charter.net remove the x for e-mail reply www.outdoorfrontiers.com www.secretweaponlures.com a proud charter member of petaf people for eating tasty animals and fish!!! .