Diesel 1/2 ton announced

From : electrician

Q: on tue 31 oct 2006 080403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote suddenly without warning mike simmons exclaimed 31-oct-06 1039 am i am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. it seems that christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. i for one am an unashamed christian perhaps not as vocal as budd but a christian nonetheless. what useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith just because you are unfaithed does not give you a license to criticize those who are of faith. conversely we christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism towards the unfaithful. the cup is there for those who wish to partake. i would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women regardless of our religious persuasion. mike im still trying to figure out how bud got christian bashing out of that post. me too! but im with you in this. i think insulting ones religion belief system or lack thereof is pointless since i doubt very many people have switched religions due to some argument - or even reasoned conversation - they had on usenet. or anywhere else for that matter somebody please point out where a persons beliefs were insulted. that really is the point. but it gets lost in the constant whining from budd. you cant say anything about budd you can not even take issue with a single word that he writes that he doesnt cry religious intolerance. the only one to ever bring religion into the discussion is budd. in that perspective mike may have a point. like we have all said mikes best point in what he wrote is for budd to leave religion out of his posts. like roy and many others i have said and will say again i dont care what religion or sex or color or lifestyle anyone choses or is. i judge people on their quality nothing else. it is on that that this ng has judged budd and nothing else. i am surprised that mike who i deem to be a pretty good guy got caught up in budds rhetoric which is just a hair short of complete insanity. you missed the crux of my post entirely. i was not defending budd... hes a big guy and can defend himself. nor did i get caught up in his rhetoric. i merely made an observation that it seemed that some in the ng were using christian bashing as a form of sport. i merely asked that as a group we consider others beliefs and feelings before we make this a routine practice. thats all im gonna say about that.... now let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or k$n filters or sumpin... wait a minute you want to move on to interesting stuff you say how about we figure out how many amps watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. probably need a cummins just to power the genset for it. hmmm... dont think even a cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... ;^ mike r mike jmc .

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From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

rabbit laz anybody have a hand held plow control if so do you like it any problems what do i watch for i only know one person who has one and he just does family stuff. going to be one armed for a bit and i gotta make it work. roy .

From : miles

budd cochran wrote the oldsmobile diesel v-8 otoh was just a dumb idea that got worse. is that the one that was not a diesel design from the ground up but rather a converted gasser the one that resulted in class-action lawsuits when they failed rather early or was that a ford product .

From : miles

bill allemann wrote your analysis would probably explain why light diesel vehicles are prevalent all over europe and much of the rest of the world. diesels there are not a huge premium to buy as they are here. also they dont have the epa rules against them. .

From : chris thompson

is he ok -- i am so confused borzoi .

From : bob

whats a plow ;- smartass!g this is my last year for snow plowing. last year for the truck as well i think. roy .

From : dave i cant do that

stephen harding wrote science has a long way to go in outright disproving the existence of some sort of very powerful supreme being/beings. i dont think the lack of knowledge is evidence of some supreme being. it just means we know so little. in the history of man people have explained what they cant understand by crediting a supreme being. if you could take modern knowledge and technology back in time the people of that time would think you were a god. we can now explain some things that were once credited to a supreme being. .

From : tbone

roy wrote hey roy. keep us informed about your shoulder. like i said previously ive had 8 surgeries in the last 10 years in an attempt to correct mine. now they are wanting to do a total replacement of the shoulder joint. im not so sure i want it done. everytime they have gone in they have messed it up even more. im afraid of losing the use of my left arm. anyway im curious as to what they recommend for you. did a cat scan with dye injected today. that was fun. see the doc friday to discuss the results and next step. i wouldnt think your new srt would be good for the shoulder! better than the truck. hope you got good tight fitting buckets in the cockpit! i have to jump on this before the friggin rabbit does. actually the seats are real comfortable all kinds of lateral support. id venture to say the seats are better than those in the z-06. roy smh .

From : richard

on sun 12 nov 2006 202804 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sun 12 nov 2006 132303 +0930 jmc nogroupsspam@nojodibody.homeus wrote not the point. why does everybody get bent out of shape because someone talks about christian values if they espouse the same values themselves do you believe that what budd has been doing is merely espouseing values if so we are not reading the same posts not saying you do but many do. it is because they dont want to admit there may be a god and that he might be relevant today and that perhaps they may be wrong forget that the values preceded christianity by something like 4000 years they did not precede god. anyway enough of this. yup your right. ive not read budds rants - im talkin about the rest o ya. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : Annonymous

beekeep wrote psthe skins did beat dallas! and that made my week. my favorite team eagles. my 2nd favorite team anyone playing against dallas. not worried about the pats ... they always pull out the win when they need to. - craig c. .

From : bigironram

have a concrete walk that leaves were on and stained. tried to pressure wash but nada. was moving the concrete. gotta be some solution to put down first. gas didnt move it. some accidentally spilled so i figured let it soak but nothing. any thoughtstia roy ive found that the leaf stains disappear in a couple of months if you get the leaves off. the maple seeds stain my driveway the worst but it all fades away fairly quickly. its the battery acid stains that just wont go away on my drive. muratic acid just made the concrete surface rougher didnt phase the stain. jasperp .

From : Annonymous

azwiley1 wrote comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... btw also of note in the new issue of dieselpower cummins is playing with two new engines a v-6 and a v-8 both considerably lighter then the i6. hmmm a 1/2 diesel sounds a little more realistic with something like that. ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. back in the early 80s dodge did offer a half ton truck with a diesel. if i remember correctly is was a 6 cylinder supplied by nissan. i drove one of these truck and found it a bit sluggish but the fellow that owned it was extremely happy with the fuel economy. does anyone know more about this package 1978 and 79 were the years. the 6 cylinder diesel was a mitsubishi. it was underpowered not turbo charged and sold poorly around 2500 units iirc. .

From : chris thompson

my 318 powered half ton wasnt any better than my v10 powered 3/4. the only 1/2 ton we ever owned that was close to fuel efficiency of what my diesel is unloaded was my old d100 with the 225. but were talking unloaded numbers here. put a trailer behind them just about any trailer and the diesel pulls away from the d100 easy. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. tom lawrence wrote ive shown comparison between my two trucks many times... it certainly does pay even though my gas v10 you are comparing a v10 3/4 ton to a diesel 3/4 ton. the v10 guzzles gas. my 2004 hemi durango 4x4 averages 20mpg highway with the a/c on. not bad for a vehicle with a base weight of 5200lbs. .

From : miles

rabbit laz anybody have a hand held plow control if so do you like it any problems what do i watch for i only know one person who has one and he just does family stuff. going to be one armed for a bit and i gotta make it work. roy well things changed a bit. anybody looking for a 05 2500 qc 4x4 short box cummins automatic pretty much all the toys rear window defrost heated mirrors i guess everything but leather. comes with a fisher 8 mm2 buckstop rear bumper with backup lights in it strobes at all corners leer cap. now who has some info on the charger srt good or bad roy ok what did the doc say... denny .

From : roy

comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. diesel here in ma is $2.63@gal reg gas is $2.11 i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... how much does a 1/2 ton get used to capacity either loaded or towing id bet not often. i cant see the benefit of a diesel in one. i guess this depends on the person .

From : roy

i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar what can i do to fix this problem -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : azwiley1

my 1987 does this. its an old phone company van and then was used by a landlord who ran it hard and didnt maintain it. every time i get near the transmission shop its a thousand bucks. so i just live with it. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar what can i do to fix this problem -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : azwiley1

comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. diesel here in ma is $2.63@gal reg gas is $2.11 i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... how much does a 1/2 ton get used to capacity either loaded or towing id bet not often. i cant see the benefit of a diesel in one. i guess this depends on the person it sure does. hey! while i have your attention thanks for the advice on the gps went with the garmin and it is super. glad to have helped man.. .

From : Annonymous

im wondering if someone can verify whether or not dakotas have a check valve in the cooler lines like the rams do. if they do then it stands to reason that something is holding the valve open. the converter drainback valve in the cooler line is a misnomer it doesnt actually prevent the converter from draining it prevents the side tank mounted cooler from draining through the converter. the actual converter drainback takes place mostly at the front pump bushing. other brand converters also drain back but their valve bodies allow the converter to refill quickly upon startup so it isnt noticed by the driver. i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar what can i do to fix this problem -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

was at the dodge dealer today. they have a 1500 mega cab. its a 3/4 ton truck in disguise al .

From : chris thompson

probably so dodge used to call them the d-150 and the w-150. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams was at the dodge dealer today. they have a 1500 mega cab. its a 3/4 ton truck in disguise al -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : roy

i have a 98 dodge dakota with auto w/overdrive tranny wth 80000 miles. flushed by dealership 5k miles ago. has started to not pull for a couple of seconds immediately after startup if it has been sitting for more than a 3 or 4 days without being started. the engine just revs up and then finally it will start to roll then takes off normally. after it finally takes off all is fine no slippage whatsoever. could it be the torque converter bleeding off or something similar yes the converter is draining when it sits. the design of the transmission doesnt allow the converter to refill rapidly in park so its a good idea to make the first start of the day in neutral. in neutral the converter will refill in a matter of seconds. .

From : miles

electrician wrote a couple of reasons i see for a 1/2 ton truck with a small diesel is torque and towing capacity fuel mileage and longevity of the engine. i have a 318 dakota which is a gas hog. i could see a small diesel in my truck getting double the mileage i currently get. more than the engine needs to be changed to increase tow capacity in a 1/2 ton. especially so with the dakota. i had a ram 1500 qc 4x4 with the 318. it was way under powered to tow much. the 360 performed much better. the hemi even better and higher mpg too. .

From : miles

scott hendryx wrote first of all if you want a real truck why buy a 1/2 ton. a half ton wont hold shit much less carry my groceries from the store. blaaa i say shit on the 1/2 tons only stoopid pukes would consider buying one. why buy more of a truck than one needs my 1/2 ton dodge did everything i needed it for. i now have a 2004 hemi durango which does great. sure i could have bought a 3/4 ton suburban but why .

From : electrician

roy wrote that was funny ! thanks! still not planning to quit my day job yet. the cartoon was funny. but gotta tell ya the sig is a bit much imo but then again it is your sig. ya gotta do what feels good.g roy craig c. -- hes your god. theyre your rules. you burn in hell. .

From : electrician

roy wrote that was funny ! thanks! still not planning to quit my day job yet. craig c. -- hes your god. theyre your rules. you burn in hell. .

From : miles

rabbit laz anybody have a hand held plow control if so do you like it any problems what do i watch for i only know one person who has one and he just does family stuff. going to be one armed for a bit and i gotta make it work. roy i got a bracket made to hold the joystick right under the radio on my 95. i lay my elbow on the console and its a perfect fit. i plowed with a friends truck for a day a couple of years ago just for the hell of it. it was a western with one of those curly phone cords with a control that fit my hand good and i could run all the buttons with a thumb. maybe id like it if i used it enough to get used to it. i was always getting that damned cord wrapped around the shifter or some other protrusion that gets in the way. as far as i know hes not had any problems with it and hes had it four or five years. yup getting the cord wrapped up was a concern of mine. a guy i knew had a thing about the size of a pack of cigs that was thinner and had push button controls. he velcroed it to his console. think it was a meyers. guess im going to have to see how much mobility im going to have. probably end up with the cord thing. if it was a meyers i know what youre talking about. mine came with the touch-pad controller and i hated it. i used it the first year i got it and converted to the single joy stick for the next season. i was always hitting the wrong darn button in the dark. kinda pisses ya off when ya start making a push and then have to back up and start over cause the blade didnt move the way it was supposed to. on my old truck i had a bracket bolted on the stick shift for the joystick. ive never seen it done on an automatic but it may be worth looking at. can you use your right arm to shift denny roy now it you could find a wireless or voice activated unit..... denny .

From : miles

chris thompson wrote i disagree both my diesels are paying for themselves in fuel savings the liberty especially. my wifes liberty is putting out 160 hp and 300 ft lbs of torque in a 4 cyl. the reviews of the diesel liberty all suggest its a dog. considerably less performance than the gasser. whats the epa difference between the liberty gasser and the diesel epa sticker claims 25/30 witch is pretty close to what she is seeing in real world. the gasser wasnt that good by epa sticker but dont remember exactly. the truck is no dog runs strong! slight turbo lag on hard accel i mean if your sitting still and just stomp to the floor you will notice it. but if you just pull off normal the lag isnt noticeable. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .

From : chris thompson

where oh where do they get the stem cells well there are adult stem cells that can be retrieved without killing the host.... theres also a process to stimulate an egg cell into mitosis without using a sperm cell therefore its not a zygote and therefore no debate over where life begins... then theres a process to extract stem cells from the otherwise-discarded umbilical cord... i do not have a problem with adult or placental / umbilical stem cell extraction. i asked the question because of the high percentage of people that do not care about where the stem cells come from. the folks that consider you to be a mere animal. do you care where the cells come from i do. btw the artificially stimulated cell is a cloned human cell. the process is similar to what is done to clone plants. human cloning is illegal. i call that murder. yes - most people who have a very narrow view of things jump to that conclusion we cant start killing unborn children for science experiments!... others thankfully can expand their focus just a bit to see the possibilities that exist without the ethical conflict. whats narrow about it taking a human life generated by the union of human sperm and egg they are living human cells remember at any age or state of development is murder. would you give your children for the sacrifice a fetus zygote glob of tissue generated by the union of a human sperm and human egg is a human being just as everyones child was at one time. unless of course you find it unethical for humans to research cures for diseases. did you feel the same way about the work of jonas salk or albert sabin how curious tom that you chose two scientists that have some obvious interest for me since i have mentioned many times that i am a polio survivor but you screwed up. neither vaccine used stem-cells and therefore not applicable to the discussion both did use poliomyelitis viral cells; salk used dead cells and sabin live cells. how unlike you to attack below the belt. unlike those that insist that stem cell research is the only option i believe that other research can result in a cure without stem cells. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : miles

how about we figure out how many amps watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. probably need a cummins just to power the genset for it. hmmm... dont think even a cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... hell ive got the warmest ass in the group!! im sure you mean the widest ass in the group!!g just give me a crave case of white castles and ill warm up the whole cab.... so im curious. there are no white castles out here in the west but we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good as ive heard lets just say they are an acquired taste.. g the size of a dinner roll with a wedge of meat cooked in onion bits and a limp pickle slice. slap on a piece of cheese and a bit on bacon and youll be guarenteed to not be constipated for at least a week. they are also known as sliders. denny wow. maybe ill stick with burgerville. pal you want no part of wc! roy . 222 324677 90b2h.1427$k7.1341@fe15.phx electrician wrote i can see you dont have an opinion on this issue. according to your logic i guess the only trucks on the road should be semis. why buy a 3/4 ton when you could get a 1 ton and why get a 1 ton when you could get a 1 1/2 or 2 ton. i believe there is a large market for 1/2 ton trucks with small diesels in them. the market for 6-cyl 1/2 tons is rather small. theyre often bought stripped and used by construction firms to carry a tool box etc. to construction sites. they need the bed to carry somewhat bulky but not all that heavy equipment etc. .

From : miles

beekeep wrote personally i feel sorry for him. there was a time when he had a sense of hummor and posted some usefull information here. those days are gone and he now lives in the first century. thats true. he used to be quite a nice guy i had many good conversations with. something happened and he now feels it is his calling to correct those that differ in their views. it happens all too often with religious fanatics. they always seem to take the route that drives people away which is opposite of their intentions. .

From : scott hendryx

scott.hendryx.clothes@sbcglobal.net says... first of all if you want a real truck why buy a 1/2 ton. a half ton wont hold shit much less carry my groceries from the store. blaaa i say shit on the 1/2 tons only stoopid pukes would consider buying one. i can see you dont have an opinion on this issue. according to your logic i guess the only trucks on the road should be semis. why buy a 3/4 ton when you could get a 1 ton and why get a 1 ton when you could get a 1 1/2 or 2 ton. i believe there is a large market for 1/2 ton trucks with small diesels in them. .

From : roy

for anyone that might beinterested here is the link to the autoweek article about the f-150 diesel http//www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleaid=/20061011/free/61009011/1024 / i guess im surprised it would be an 8 cylinder. inefficient use of a motor has always been one of fords better ideas! -- --scott hendryx-- mianderson said also youre totally being suckered on the bc game. fsu will cover.... .

From : big al

on mon 30 oct 2006 224702 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote really thats not what i keep hearing from the dine the cherokee the ute lakota. maybe the gambling is the way they found they can finally win against the white man and hit him where it hurts the most his wallet. -- budd cochran youre talking to the cherokee in utah beekeep .

From : tom lawrence

on mon 30 oct 2006 205656 gmt craig c. mcraigchr@gmail.com wrote budd cochran wrote ah you support christian bashing no surprise. . . . . roy ... per your request http//homepage.mac.com/mcraigchr/budd2.htm craig c. -- facts fakts -noun the pesky things that get in the way of religious doctrine. you owe me a new key board. beekeep .

From : scott hendryx

pokee wrote my husband got rear-ended in his brand new dodge ram powerwagon sniff! yesterday and the only real damage appears to be to the bumper cant say the same is true for the other car!. the hitch is scratched but appears fine. i have heard from friends that hitch damage is sometimes invisible to the naked eye hairline cracks that can comprmise the hitch in some way. were taking it to the claims adjuster tomorrow. if the hitch should be replaced and the adjuster does not include this in the repairs id like to be armed with some written documentation that states it is a safety issue not to replace hitches that are involved in a rear collision. is there any information i can get online i called dodge and our dealer and neither of them were any help. if it is a good idea to get it replaced well do it anyway. wed just like to have the insurance company pay for it if we can. thank you paula youre not likely to get anybody to make a statement like that what you need to do is get the adjuster to include the cost to have the hitch removed inspected and repaired/replaced as necessary. what the adjuster writes is not carved in stone. its not uncommon for the body shop/repair shop to uncover hidden damage of all sorts that the adjuster couldnt see. youde be amazed what kind of damage transmitted force does. bottom line the hitch most likely does not need to be replaced. but it does need to be removed and carefully inspected. the frame attachement points also need to be carefully inspected. -- ..bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : tom lawrence

my husband got rear-ended in his brand new dodge ram powerwagon sniff! yesterday and the only real damage appears to be to the bumper cant say the same is true for the other car!. the hitch is scratched but appears fine. i have heard from friends that hitch damage is sometimes invisible to the naked eye hairline cracks that can comprmise the hitch in some way. were taking it to the claims adjuster tomorrow. if the hitch should be replaced and the adjuster does not include this in the repairs id like to be armed with some written documentation that states it is a safety issue not to replace hitches that are involved in a rear collision. is there any information i can get online i called dodge and our dealer and neither of them were any help. if it is a good idea to get it replaced well do it anyway. wed just like to have the insurance company pay for it if we can. thank you paula .

From : mike simmonsbob

yes i have one. i believe all plows come with hand controls now. what kind of plow do you have i love it and i wouldnt want to plow without it. the c-plow especially... itd be a real pain if i had to get out all the time. huh why would you get out i route mine down the center under the seats up around the rear of my seat and lay it on the seat on my right. its right there within easy reach. i dont think id want a hard mounted cab control. a hard mounted joystick is all ive used for the past few years. roy -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels rabbit laz anybody have a hand held plow control if so do you like it any problems what do i watch for i only know one person who has one and he just does family stuff. going to be one armed for a bit and i gotta make it work. roy .

From : big al

on wed 1 nov 2006 084659 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on tue 31 oct 2006 080403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote suddenly without warning mike simmons exclaimed 31-oct-06 1039 now let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or k$n filters or sumpin... wait a minute you want to move on to interesting stuff you say how about we figure out how many amps watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. probably need a cummins just to power the genset for it. hmmm... dont think even a cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... hell ive got the warmest ass in the group!! im sure you mean the widest ass in the group!!g just give me a crave case of white castles and ill warm up the whole cab.... so im curious. there are no white castles out here in the west but we got a lot of good burger places. are white castles really as good as ive heard now i know where we will be going for dinner. roy denny .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

on tue 31 oct 2006 080403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote suddenly without warning mike simmons exclaimed 31-oct-06 1039 now let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or k$n filters or sumpin... wait a minute you want to move on to interesting stuff you say how about we figure out how many amps watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. probably need a cummins just to power the genset for it. hmmm... dont think even a cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... hell ive got the warmest ass in the group!! im sure you mean the widest ass in the group!!g just give me a crave case of white castles and ill warm up the whole cab.... now i know where we will be going for dinner. roy denny .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

bryan foust a past member of the group and gone far to long was working on homemade biodiesel and the results were looking quite good about the time he left. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams suddenly without warning miles exclaimed 01-nov-06 1232 pm electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. what is the purpose of a diesel 1/2 ton people have been buying the diesels because they want the power to tow or haul heavy loads. 1/2 ton trucks dont need more power for the load theyre designed to handle. saving on fuel costs isnt an issue today since in most of the country diesel is priced close to what premium gas is. im out of the country so i might be off base with this but my first though was the availability of biofuel for diesels including the possibility of make-your-own. a biodiesel pump opened up at my parents usual gas station in june so im guessing theres more opening up here and there. cant remember if it was cheaper than diesel though... jmc -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net

in spite of the lousy performance due to underpowered engines most compact diesel cars sold well and gave great fuel mileage. how about a rampage with a good turbo diesel now for the average guy hopping from yard sale to yard sale that would be darn near perfect. the oldsmobile diesel v-8 otoh was just a dumb idea that got worse. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. what is the purpose of a diesel 1/2 ton people have been buying the diesels because they want the power to tow or haul heavy loads. 1/2 ton trucks dont need more power for the load theyre designed to handle. saving on fuel costs isnt an issue today since in most of the country diesel is priced close to what premium gas is. miles people have bought stuff they dont need for years. a classic example is bottled water. a case can be made however for the economics of a light duty diesel. mike -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : jmc

your analysis would probably explain why light diesel vehicles are prevalent all over europe and much of the rest of the world. bill i realize that but the payback isnt there. diesel here is $.20 higher than regular gas. the diesel engine costs $5000+ more than the gas. people buy it for the power it puts out. it hasnt been a cost saver for many years. okay.... lets say $2.299 for gasoline and $2.499 for diesel. in the 10mpg gas engine we spend about $11500 for fuel to go 50000 miles. we spend $6940 for diesel to go the same 50000 miles. we saved the cost of the engine right there or very close - $4560. in the next 50000 miles you save another $4500 - which stays in your pocket instead of going to the oil companies. i just do not see a use for a diesel in a 1/2 ton unless its cost over a comparable gasser is under $1000. people are getting 15-16mpg with the hemi in the 1500s... if a diesel option could get them 25mpg thats $7184 for gasoline vs. $5000 for diesel over 50000 miles. so even if the engines a $2000 option it easily pays for itself. .

From : mike simmons

suddenly without warning miles exclaimed 01-nov-06 1232 pm electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. what is the purpose of a diesel 1/2 ton people have been buying the diesels because they want the power to tow or haul heavy loads. 1/2 ton trucks dont need more power for the load theyre designed to handle. saving on fuel costs isnt an issue today since in most of the country diesel is priced close to what premium gas is. im out of the country so i might be off base with this but my first though was the availability of biofuel for diesels including the possibility of make-your-own. a biodiesel pump opened up at my parents usual gas station in june so im guessing theres more opening up here and there. cant remember if it was cheaper than diesel though... jmc .

From : bill allemann

if youre meaning the gutless 350 diesel it was diesel by name and squirrel cage in power. one of the dumbest things gm ever did similar to putting 9 drum brakes on the gto in 64. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. ill believe it when i see it. theres been rumors of a small diesel for years. so far the epa has managed to prevent it. -- .bob gm sold diesel half ton pickups for years. al -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : tom lawrence

electrician wrote ford has announced they will offer a diesel option in the f-150 for the 2008 or 2009 model year. all i can say is its about time and what has taken so long. and what are dodge gm toyota and nissan doing about it it seems like a diesel 1/2 ton is long overdue and is a no brainer. i personally want a diesel dakota. ill believe it when i see it. theres been rumors of a small diesel for years. so far the epa has managed to prevent it. -- .bob gm sold diesel half ton pickups for years. al .

From : bob

youre correct imo. diesel fuel costs more the engine requires more expensive maint and it costs more to buy. in routine driving it would take over 100k miles to break even. the numbers dont support those assumptions. when you compare your gas dakota to the available diesel-powered trucks then yes - your operating costs are less but thats not an apples-to-apples comparison because you cant compare a 3/4-ton full-size truck to a dakota. the only advantage to the current diesel is their towing ability. if you tow a lot - and i do mean a lot - it just doesnt pay. ive shown comparison between my two trucks many times... it certainly does pay even though my gas v10 is lighter 2nd gen club cab vs 3rd gen quad cab and better aerodynamically my diesel is still cheaper to operate whether hauling towing or shuttling me back and forth to work which is by far its primary duty. .

From : donstaples

i realize that but the payback isnt there. diesel here is $.20 higher than regular gas. the diesel engine costs $5000+ more than the gas. people buy it for the power it puts out. it hasnt been a cost saver for many years. okay.... lets say $2.299 for gasoline and $2.499 for diesel. in the 10mpg gas engine we spend about $11500 for fuel to go 50000 miles. we spend $6940 for diesel to go the same 50000 miles. we saved the cost of the engine right there or very close - $4560. in the next 50000 miles you save another $4500 - which stays in your pocket instead of going to the oil companies. i just do not see a use for a diesel in a 1/2 ton unless its cost over a comparable gasser is under $1000. people are getting 15-16mpg with the hemi in the 1500s... if a diesel option could get them 25mpg thats $7184 for gasoline vs. $5000 for diesel over 50000 miles. so even if the engines a $2000 option it easily pays for itself. .

From : miles

miles wrote tom lawrence wrote youre making the assumption that the mpg is equal between a gas and diesel engine of comparable power. thats simply not the case. the diesel can easily outperform a comparable gas engine by 50% in fuel economy sometimes upwards of 90% as evidence a 310hp/450lb.ft. gas v10 gets about 10mpg whereas a 305hp/555lb.ft. diesel i6 gets about 18mpg in the same vehicle - those are both empty daily-commuter numbers i realize that but the payback isnt there. diesel here is $.20 higher than regular gas. the diesel engine costs $5000+ more than the gas. people buy it for the power it puts out. it hasnt been a cost saver for many years. i just do not see a use for a diesel in a 1/2 ton unless its cost over a comparable gasser is under $1000. youre correct imo. diesel fuel costs more the engine requires more expensive maint and it costs more to buy. in routine driving it would take over 100k miles to break even. the only advantage to the current diesel is their towing ability. if you tow a lot - and i do mean a lot - it just doesnt pay. my dakota gets 14mpg on mid grade fuel 10-11 when towing my cobra on a flatbed trailer. i can squeeze 17-18 if i can travel the two lane blacktops and keep the speed under 65ish. its a pig. it drinks fuel like theres no tomorrow. its still cheaper to own and drive than a diesel. easier to park too. however im waiting for that to change. what we need is a small 4cyl turbo diesel for a light duty truck; like about 2.8-3.0l. variable vane turbo like a ford. 300-350 ft/lbs stock. 30mpg highway 20mpg towing. 6 speed manual trans. and no more than $3k over base cost. given those general parameters i would seriously consider a new dakota. until that comes along ill keep my 360 until it dies. then ill rebuild it. -- ..bob 2006 fxdi hot rod 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : craig c

tom lawrence wrote youre making the assumption that the mpg is equal between a gas and diesel engine of comparable power. thats simply not the case. the diesel can easily outperform a comparable gas engine by 50% in fuel economy sometimes upwards of 90% as evidence a 310hp/450lb.ft. gas v10 gets about 10mpg whereas a 305hp/555lb.ft. diesel i6 gets about 18mpg in the same vehicle - those are both empty daily-commuter numbers i realize that but the payback isnt there. diesel here is $.20 higher than regular gas. the diesel engine costs $5000+ more than the gas. people buy it for the power it puts out. it hasnt been a cost saver for many years. i just do not see a use for a diesel in a 1/2 ton unless its cost over a comparable gasser is under $1000. .

From : bob

mike simmons wrote ah you support christian bashing no surprise. . . . . now just where did that cartoon bash christians i saw a cool sig at another group. sorta like this. when relgion ruled the world they called it the dark ages dont know or care if it is factual but found it a bit interesting. i am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. it seems that christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. i for one am an unashamed christian perhaps not as vocal as budd but a christian nonetheless. what useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith just because you are unfaithed does not give you a license to criticize those who are of faith. conversely we christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism towards the unfaithful. the cup is there for those who wish to partake. i would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women regardless of our religious persuasion. mike i think the difference is youre smart and dont make an ass out of yourself regularly. the lack of the 7-lines worth of religious spam budd insists on shoving in his posts gives everyone an easy target. js .

From : tom lawrence

on oct 31 902 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote saving on fuel costs isnt an issue today since in most of the country diesel is priced close to what premium gas is. my gal drives a vw jetta tdi diesel. she says that she gets 45 mpg. the same car with a less powerful gas engine gets 30 mpg ... at best. my current truck 2004 ram 2500 qc 4x4 crd diesel gets 19 hwy 16 city. my prior truck 2002 ram 1500 qc 4x4 360 cid got 12 hwy 10 city going downhill with a tailwind and the engine shut off. craig c. .

From : miles

if you can afford one that will hold the weight get/ borrow/ build a rotisserie and take the doors off glass out and strip the engine suspension and interior then rebuild as you wish. there are several sources for reproduction carpet headliners etc. but dont have too much fun you might scare the neighbors. ; -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams ok... well that solves that problem lol... what would be the best way to tackle it then put it up on stands yank the suspension out and start sandblasting repaint and undercoat and call it a day jp budd cochran wrote a frame-off cant be done the frame is welded to the body. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 romans 323 623 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : azwiley1

on tue 31 oct 2006 080403 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote suddenly without warning mike simmons exclaimed 31-oct-06 1039 am i am kind of curious about the degradation of threads recently. it seems that christian bashing has become somewhat of a sport lately in the group. i for one am an unashamed christian perhaps not as vocal as budd but a christian nonetheless. what useful purpose are we accomplishing when we bait those of faith just because you are unfaithed does not give you a license to criticize those who are of faith. conversely we christians should not be overzealous in our evangelism towards the unfaithful. the cup is there for those who wish to partake. i would just recommend that we all conduct ourselves as gentlemen and women regardless of our religious persuasion. mike im still trying to figure out how bud got christian bashing out of that post. me too! but im with you in this. i think insulting ones religion belief system or lack thereof is pointless since i doubt very many people have switched religions due to some argument - or even reasoned conversation - they had on usenet. or anywhere else for that matter somebody please point out where a persons beliefs were insulted. that really is the point. but it gets lost in the constant whining from budd. you cant say anything about budd you can not even take issue with a single word that he writes that he doesnt cry religious intolerance. the only one to ever bring religion into the discussion is budd. in that perspective mike may have a point. like we have all said mikes best point in what he wrote is for budd to leave religion out of his posts. like roy and many others i have said and will say again i dont care what religion or sex or color or lifestyle anyone choses or is. i judge people on their quality nothing else. it is on that that this ng has judged budd and nothing else. i am surprised that mike who i deem to be a pretty good guy got caught up in budds rhetoric which is just a hair short of complete insanity. you missed the crux of my post entirely. i was not defending budd... hes a big guy and can defend himself. nor did i get caught up in his rhetoric. i merely made an observation that it seemed that some in the ng were using christian bashing as a form of sport. i merely asked that as a group we consider others beliefs and feelings before we make this a routine practice. thats all im gonna say about that.... now let get on to more interesting stuff like torque wrenches or k$n filters or sumpin... wait a minute you want to move on to interesting stuff you say how about we figure out how many amps watts and whatever else it would take to create a heated seat large enough for my wide ride rabbit pal. probably need a cummins just to power the genset for it. hmmm... dont think even a cummins could handle it.... we may want to consider nuclear.... hell ive got the warmest ass in the group!! just give me a crave case of white castles and ill warm up the whole cab.... i may have something better... last week a group of guys got together and ground up horseradish. everybody has their own little patch digs up a bunch gets together to grind it and can it. not to mention telling a few bullshit stories along the way. this stuff will bring tears to your eyes open up clogged nasel passeges and clean out your innerds if you give it an hour or so. good stuff!! denny .

From : chris thompson

.. for anyone that might beinterested here is the link to the autoweek article about the f-150 diesel http//www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleaid=/20061011/free/61009011/1024 / i guess im surprised it would be an 8 cylinder. inefficient use of a motor has always been one of fords better ideas! -- --scott hendryx-- mianderson said also youre totally being suckered on the bc game. fsu will cover.... do you ever have anything positive to say -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs .

From : azwiley1

comparing a 1/2 ton to a 1/2 ton truck i would rather have a diesel in it vice a gasser. hell i have a half ton and wish i could convert it! yes the outright read initial expense for a diesel is more but if you look at the long run long term pricing of it a diesel is cheaper. i have a 25 gallon tack and at 2.05 a gallon and a 325 mile range in the city i have to fill up at least once a week. diesel here in ma is $2.63@gal reg gas is $2.11 i know a diesel would get better mileage then that. i am spending about 50 buck per oil change right now and that is doing it every 5k running full synthetic oil. tom do you change oil that often i am sure the price is close also though a 1/2 may not have the load capacity of a larger truck a diesel would make more sense if you use the truck for any type of moving hauling traveling etc... how much does a 1/2 ton get used to capacity either loaded or towing id bet not often. i cant see the benefit of a diesel in one. .

From : electrician

electrician wrote i can see you dont have an opinion on this issue. according to your logic i guess the only trucks on the road should be semis. why buy a 3/4 ton when you could get a 1 ton and why get a 1 ton when you could get a 1 1/2 or 2 ton. i believe there is a large market for 1/2 ton trucks with small diesels in them. the market for 6-cyl 1/2 tons is rather small. theyre often bought stripped and used by construction firms to carry a tool box etc. to construction sites. they need the bed to carry somewhat bulky but not all that heavy equipment etc. i agree. i dont see the need. .