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Dakota Diesel?

From : electrician

Q: has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

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From : tom lawrence

by the time you finished stuffing a diesel into a dak with all the extra beef to the frame and susp i wonder how much capacity would be left over for towing or hauling. roy no ones talking about a freakin isb in a dakota. the crd fits just fine in the little liberty - why wouldnt it fit just fine in the dak .

From : roy

ok so you are too amusing to let go.... gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you would have either on your hand unless you are a bhuddist monk protesting a war. i saw a couple of those monks do their thing a long time ago. their mileage was horrible. roy .

From : ed

trucks that i have used well and contributed to when i could and i hope will translate well enough for my 1998 isuzu amigo 2.2l its a gm engine. problem i didnt notice the coolant temperature guage until it was into the red line stopped found a ruptured radiator hose replaced the hose filled with water and noticed a white vapor and gasoline smell from the radiator when the engine was cool and running. oil dip stick doesnt show signs of water. engine starts easily when cold and warms up faster than normal i havent started it when warm question in general besides cylinder compression tests what should i look for to determine if ive wrecked the engine or if i only need to replace the cylnder head gasket . 222 316678 s9e3g.2456$e41.1730@trnddc03 i heard a year or two ago that vw was planning on introducing a diesel toureg or however its spelled when the new nationwide low sulfer diesel fuel standard is in effect. but then its only an suv. has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : tbone

god i hope not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : scott s

ive been waiting also. a diesel in that caliper..whats taking so long for the dakota.. has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : marc

doesnt vw already have a v10 diesel in the toureg but as far as a diesel dakota if it gets 30mpg and has 400 lb/ft of torque yes go for it!!! that would be an ideal combination. s9e3g.2456$e41.1730@trnddc03... i heard a year or two ago that vw was planning on introducing a diesel toureg or however its spelled when the new nationwide low sulfer diesel fuel standard is in effect. but then its only an suv. has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : max dodge

god i hope not. ok why not -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author god i hope not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : christopher thompson

im with you. why not a diesel in the dakota. heck they already have a small diesel in use that although i havent looked close at the numbers i would bet would be a good match. whats that 4cyl in the liberty putting out anyways im betting it would be plenty strong. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango doesnt vw already have a v10 diesel in the toureg but as far as a diesel dakota if it gets 30mpg and has 400 lb/ft of torque yes go for it!!! that would be an ideal combination. s9e3g.2456$e41.1730@trnddc03... i heard a year or two ago that vw was planning on introducing a diesel toureg or however its spelled when the new nationwide low sulfer diesel fuel standard is in effect. but then its only an suv. has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : christopher thompson

ive gotta ask the same as max here..... why not a diesel -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango god i hope not. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : tbone

god i hope not. ok why not for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. the funny thing is that if it does happen the rapid increase in demand will cause the cost of diesel to climb so high that it would be cheaper to drive toms v10 than your cummins and i feel sorry for anyone who heats their homes with the stuff after that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : richard

the liberty diesel a vm mortori has the same torque as the 4.7 v8. they make a all alum. v6 that has much more torque and is lighter then the 4 cyl. do a search on vm diesel. vm diesel lands in the usa has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : roy

tbonenospam@nc.rr.com says... for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. you probably arent aware of the new low sulfur diesel fuel standards that take effect this fall. europe has had it for years and it eliminates much of the odor problem. as far as trying to compensate for something some of us actually use our trucks to haul and tow stuff. unlike you city weenies who drive them for show. a high torque diesel in the dakota would be ideal. by the time you finished stuffing a diesel into a dak with all the extra beef to the frame and susp i wonder how much capacity would be left over for towing or hauling. roy .

From : electrician

tbonenospam@nc.rr.com says... for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. you probably arent aware of the new low sulfur diesel fuel standards that take effect this fall. europe has had it for years and it eliminates much of the odor problem. as far as trying to compensate for something some of us actually use our trucks to haul and tow stuff. unlike you city weenies who drive them for show. a high torque diesel in the dakota would be ideal. .

From : christopher thompson

even the city weenies as you put it could benefit from the diesel as they use less fuel at idle and generally better fuel economy than the gasoline counter parts. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango tbonenospam@nc.rr.com says... for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. you probably arent aware of the new low sulfur diesel fuel standards that take effect this fall. europe has had it for years and it eliminates much of the odor problem. as far as trying to compensate for something some of us actually use our trucks to haul and tow stuff. unlike you city weenies who drive them for show. a high torque diesel in the dakota would be ideal. .

From : mac davis

on tue 25 apr 2006 131907 gmt electrician@xo.com electrician wrote tbonenospam@nc.rr.com says... for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. you probably arent aware of the new low sulfur diesel fuel standards that take effect this fall. europe has had it for years and it eliminates much of the odor problem. as far as trying to compensate for something some of us actually use our trucks to haul and tow stuff. unlike you city weenies who drive them for show. a high torque diesel in the dakota would be ideal. ive hoped since the merger that theyd put a mercedes td in the durango/dakota.. we take out 01 dakota on the road and get 20 mpg if were lucky.. folks with 3/4 and 1 ton pickups can do that with the cummins and powersmoke.. ive had several friends over the years with mercedes 300td sedans... a fairly big car that gets over 25 mpg in almost any road conditions... a dakota might get close 30 mpg and go a lot longer without required maintenance.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : richard

http//www.allpar.com/mopar/diesel.html world dc diesels the liberty diesel a vm mortori has the same torque as the 4.7 v8. they make a all alum. v6 that has much more torque and is lighter then the 4 cyl. do a search on vm diesel. vm diesel lands in the usa has anybody heard if dodge is considering putting a diesel in a dakota i love my 97 5.2v8 but would like the same truck in 4 door with a diesel. any other manufacturers bringing a mid-size diesel truck here .

From : nosey

by the time you finished stuffing a diesel into a dak with all the extra beef to the frame and susp i wonder how much capacity would be left over for towing or hauling. good point. i dont think the isb would fit because of its length anyway so it would have to be a smaller diesel. other manufacturers are doing just that in other countries. i dont understand why they wont market more small trucks and suvs in the us with diesel engines. i suppose the liberty is a start... interesting article from down under http//www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspxid=11417&vf=7&bg=24&pp=0 -- ken .

From : christopher thompson

by the time you finished stuffing a diesel into a dak with all the extra beef to the frame and susp i wonder how much capacity would be left over for towing or hauling. good point. i dont think the isb would fit because of its length anyway so it would have to be a smaller diesel. other manufacturers are doing just that in other countries. i dont understand why they wont market more small trucks and suvs in the us with diesel engines. i suppose the liberty is a start... interesting article from down under http//www.drive.com.au/editorial/article.aspxid=11417&vf=7&bg=24&pp=0 -- ken witch is exactly my point ken. it doesnt have to be the monsterously powerful cummins isb for a truck that size. volvo had a 5 cyl diesel in a station wagon for one example. but im sure since that time the size/power output smaller packages/higher output of the small diesels have advanced just as the isb power stroke ect has. i wonder why something the size of the 4cyl in the liberty crd wouldnt work in the dakota. heck they rate the crd at 5000 trailer wieght quite beefy for a vehicle its size. and further they put the 318/360 in the dakota/durango frame not sure how much it weighs but a small 4cyl diesel would wiegh how much more if any i keep referring to the 4cyl in the liberty simply because it is one already in use by dc. im sure there are other options avail to them if they just wanted to check into such options. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango .

From : hodad

. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. your sniffer aint workin too good. hd .

From : tbone

no it just works differently in maxworld - -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving . odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. your sniffer aint workin too good. hd .

From : tom lawrence

diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. that depends on where you are. here in nj my local station had the following this morning 87 - $2.899 89 - $2.999 93 - $3.099 #2 - $2.919 .

From : tbone

ok so you are too amusing to let go.... as are you maxi as are you. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. last i checked my tailpipe is outside my truck which is what i referred to. clearly you do not read very well if at all what i say. of course the other option is that your tailpipe is inside your truck which would explain a few things. sorry maxi but it appears that you are the one who cannot read clearly or just have a complete lack of comprehension. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you would have either on your hand unless you are a bhuddist monk protesting a war. gasoline smells nothing like diesel and although stronger it fades much more quickly. if some gas dribbles down the side of the vehicle or down the overflow it evaporates quickly and the smell is gone not so with diesel and i prefer the smell of gas to that of diesel although i prefer not to be exposed to either for any real lengh of time. once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. how much more do you really think it will be able to haul how about nothing more and probably less due to the weight of the engine. once again you speak without thinking. the liberty has a great towing/hauling capacity and it has a diesel option. and how much more does it have than the gas engine version and what is the price difference. if you really think that everybody who buys one does it for hauling then you really are dummer than dirt. and if you think everyone buys one because they need to compensate for something you might be the one who needs to compensate. i didnt say everyone max but from what i see the majority of people who own suvs never use them for anything that a car couldnt do. while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. the low sulphur requirement went into effect almost 5 years ago. i cant remember buying fuel that did not have a label saying it was low sulphur on road diesel. thus your rhetoric about increased price over sulphur regs is bullshit. the increase happened 5 years ago if at all. http//www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm once again you speak with your head up your ass. if people really wanted to save fuel there are many better ways to do it. that is just a justification and a lame one at that. justification no matter how lame is by its inherent definition just. if it is just it is fair and is therefore.... reasonable and accepted. iow you just admitted that no means no and what i said is true. your constant spin is getting old. of course everything is always better in maxworld. the point maxi is that the demand for diesel is still rather low compared to that of gas but if that changes the price of diesel will skyrocket just like it does every winter when the demand goes up and iirc that low sulfer stuff costs more to make. more rubbish from you. the demand for diesel is at least what the demand from gasoline is or havent you noticed all the tractor trailers on the road lol how many commuters are driving those tractor trailers the price is based on the current demand and right now it is very low as far as commuters go and if that demand increases so will the price and once again you have saod nothing of value here. once again it is a valid option because the demand is low. if it increases the days of free supplies will quickly vanish. even when i have to pay for it and why would i get it for free itll be about the same price if not lower than refined diesel. further it burns cleaner than gasoline diesel or ethanol. since you are so concerned with emissions that should interest you. it does interest me and if they get it right then im all for it but that time is not now. as far as being the same or lower price once again supply and demand will cure that just like the record profits by the oil companies now. as for the free supplies i was referring to the free used cooking oil that is currently available to make it. i didnt say that diesel engines were a bad idea and if they can kill the smell that they dump out i say go for it but the price will be much higher than it is now and nothing you have said so far indicates anything different. except that ive used facts and you have none. care to try again really where just

From : miles

tbone wrote that would indicate that it is around 3 cents more than regular. diesel is about the same price as regular here but a few weeks ago it was 20 cents more a gallon than for regular. diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. .

From : max dodge

for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. wrong and wrong. when fueling gasoline particularly the high octane blends frequently out stink the diesel fuel im standing next to while filling my truck. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. what were typically compensating for is a high fuel bill and the need to keep moving the loads we do. as such a diesel is far more efficient. even just driving an unloaded truck diesels typically get better mpg than a gasoline truck driven in similar if not exactly the same way. in essence diesels do the same job or more that that of a gasser using less fuel. wouldnt that be somehting you want given your tendency to rant about our dependancy on foreign oil the funny thing is that if it does happen the rapid increase in demand will cause the cost of diesel to climb so high that it would be cheaper to drive toms v10 than your cummins and i feel sorry for anyone who heats their homes with the stuff after that. actually right now i

From : tom lawrence

once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. it doesnt matter. take a volkswagon jetta for example. the 2.5l gasoline engine delivers around 30mpg highway. the 1.9l tdi gets almost 50mpg highway. which would you rather pay the fuel bill for while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. back to the vw gls tdi msrp of $20740. the 2.5l model base price of $20390. $350 difference... at $3.00/gal well... youre good at math. of course everything is always better in maxworld. i must live there too... actually im in the suburbs of maxworld as im only saving about 7 cents over mid-grade gasoline .

From : tbone

for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. wrong and wrong. yes you are but we are used to it. when fueling gasoline particularly the high octane blends frequently out stink the diesel fuel im standing next to while filling my truck. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. what were typically compensating for is a high fuel bill and the need to keep moving the loads we do. once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. how much more do you really think it will be able to haul how about nothing more and probably less due to the weight of the engine. as such a diesel is far more efficient. if you really think that everybody who buys one does it for hauling then you really are dummer than dirt. even just driving an unloaded truck diesels typically get better mpg than a gasoline truck driven in similar if not exactly the same way. in essence diesels do the same job or more that that of a gasser using less fuel. while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. wouldnt that be somehting you want given your tendency to rant about our dependancy on foreign oil if people really wanted to save fuel there are many better ways to do it. that is just a justification and a lame one at that. the funny thing is that if it does happen the rapid increase in demand will cause the cost of diesel to climb so high that it would be cheaper to drive toms v10 than your cummins and i feel sorry for anyone who heats their homes with the stuff after that. actually right now im paying 5-20 cents less a gallon than my gasoline burning counterparts. of course everything is always better in maxworld. the point maxi is that the demand for diesel is still rather low compared to that of gas but if that changes the price of diesel will skyrocket just like it does every winter when the demand goes up and iirc that low sulfer stuff costs more to make. i also have the option of biodiesel with far fewer drawbacks than the ethanol mix you will be forced to used fairly shortly. once again it is a valid option because the demand is low. if it increases the days of free supplies will quickly vanish. another flaw to your assertion that it would be cheaper to drive a v10 well that gasoline gets hauled in on.... diesel powered trucks. and your point is oh thats right you dont have one. your diesel is also hauled in on those very same trucks so the price increase in delivery will be added onto the price of diesel as well increasing it even further. there is obviously a lot more to why diesel works so well but i doubt youd believe it. i didnt say that diesel engines were a bad idea and if they can kill the smell that they dump out i say go for it but the price will be much higher than it is now and nothing you have said so far indicates anything different. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tom lawrence wrote diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. that depends on where you are. here in nj my local station had the following this morning 87 - $2.899 89 - $2.999 93 - $3.099 #2 - $2.919 thats true. meant to say here in az. my keyboard is wireless and when the batteries are low it leaves out words sometimes. .

From : nosey

miles wrote tom lawrence wrote diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. that depends on where you are. here in nj my local station had the following this morning 87 - $2.899 89 - $2.999 93 - $3.099 #2 - $2.919 thats true. meant to say here in az. my keyboard is wireless and when the batteries are low it leaves out words sometimes. you should get an ac adapter for your wireless keyboard. ;^ -- ken .

From : tom lawrence

that would indicate that it is around 3 cents more than regular. diesel is about the same price as regular here but a few weeks ago it was 20 cents more a gallon than for regular. v8 235hp/330lb.ft. 12mpg mixed driving 8mpg towing v10 310hp/450lb.ft. 10mpg mixed driving 6mpg towing i6 305hp/555lb.ft. 19mpg mixed driving 15mpg towing i6+ 650hp/1200lb.ft. 18mpg mixed driving 15mpg towing all of the above are on a 1-ton drw pickup - used for a combination of towing hauling and commuting. the v8 numbers are second-hand from several personal contacts and since you mentioned 360 were going with that engine. all other numbers are actual observed numbers first-hand. the i6+ is the slightly-modified-over-stock engine that currently resides in my truck thrown in just for power output comparison lets say mid-grade fuel is $3.10 and diesel is $3.20 while the v10 can run 87 ive found a tendency to ping especially under load. the v8 is more susceptible to pinging so imo 89 is required. over 1000 miles heres the fuel costs assuming all commuting miles ie. no load v8 - $258.33 v10 - $310.00 i6 - $168.42 i6+ - $177.78 now lets look at 1000 towing miles v8 - $387.5 v10 - $516.67 i6/i6+ - $213.34 theres a savings of $174.16 per 1000 miles between the i6 and the v8 when towing and almost $90 per 1000 miles when commuting. assuming an 80/20 utilization of the vehicle 80% of the time used for commuting thats an average savings of $106.83 per 1000 miles. that means in under 50000 miles the diesel option at $5k pays for itself. thats negating all other benefits as well longevity reliability re-sale value and better overall drivability. my point in all this is simple diesel power is a viable alternative for big and small vehicles alike. its cheaper to operate whether youre pulling 80k in a class 8 truck with a 14 liter engine or commuting to work in a 2-door compact with a 2l engine or anywhere in between. .

From : clare at snyder on ca

on tue 25 apr 2006 215709 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. wrong and wrong. when fueling gasoline particularly the high octane blends frequently out stink the diesel fuel im standing next to while filling my truck. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. what were typically compensating for is a high fuel bill and the need to keep moving the loads we do. as such a diesel is far more efficient. even just driving an unloaded truck diesels typically get better mpg than a gasoline truck driven in similar if not exactly the same way. in essence diesels do the same job or more that that of a gasser using less fuel. wouldnt that be somehting you want given your tendency to rant about our dependancy on foreign oil the funny thing is that if it does happen the rapid increase in demand will cause the cost of diesel to climb so high that it would be cheaper to drive toms v10 than your cummins and i feel sorry for anyone who heats their homes with the stuff after that. actually right now im paying 5-20 cents less a gallon than my gasoline burning counterparts. i also have the option of biodiesel with far fewer drawbacks than the ethanol mix you will be forced to used fairly shortly. another flaw to your assertion that it would be cheaper to drive a v10 well that gasoline gets hauled in on.... diesel powered trucks. there is obviously a lot more to why diesel works so well but i doubt youd believe it. its been great reading your comments again. i see they are factless and inane as always so ill let you get the last word. a properly set up diesel running low sulphur fuel doesnt smell too bad but even a tdi with our sulphurized fuel makes its presence known particularly when accellerating. not nearly as obnoxious as the older diesels for sure. fuel mileage on the oil-burners is always better than the gasoline version of the same vehicle but with the exception of the tdi it will also have significantly poorer performance for the same engine size. the old turbo jettas were pretty acceptable on the highway after you got them wound up while the normally aspirated version was a dog. *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .

From : tbone

once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. it doesnt matter. take a volkswagon jetta for example. the 2.5l gasoline engine delivers around 30mpg highway. the 1.9l tdi gets almost 50mpg highway. which would you rather pay the fuel bill for i guess that depends on how high the price of diesel gets to especially in the winter. we are also talking about a truck. i doubt you will see that significant of a difference between them. then again it is a truck and most people will not want some minature diesel to save money on fuel and have no more torque and less hp than the gas version. this should be obvious with the constant power bumps every year with the big trucks. while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. back to the vw gls tdi msrp of $20740. the 2.5l model base price of $20390. $350 difference... at $3.00/gal well... youre good at math. are you saying that you only paid $350 more for your cummins than someone else would with the same truck with a 360 of course everything is always better in maxworld. i must live there too... actually im in the suburbs of maxworld as im only saving about 7 cents over mid-grade gasoline that would indicate that it is around 3 cents more than regular. diesel is about the same price as regular here but a few weeks ago it was 20 cents more a gallon than for regular. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

ok so you are too amusing to let go.... as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. last i checked my tailpipe is outside my truck which is what i referred to. clearly you do not read very well if at all what i say. of course the other option is that your tailpipe is inside your truck which would explain a few things. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you would have either on your hand unless you are a bhuddist monk protesting a war. once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. how much more do you really think it will be able to haul how about nothing more and probably less due to the weight of the engine. once again you speak without thinking. the liberty has a great towing/hauling capacity and it has a diesel option. if you really think that everybody who buys one does it for hauling then you really are dummer than dirt. and if you think everyone buys one because they need to compensate for something you might be the one who needs to compensate. while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. the low sulphur requirement went into effect almost 5 years ago. i cant remember buying fuel that did not have a label saying it was low sulphur on road diesel. thus your rhetoric about increased price over sulphur regs is bullshit. the increase happened 5 years ago if at all. if people really wanted to save fuel there are many better ways to do it. that is just a justification and a lame one at that. justification no matter how lame is by its inherent definition just. if it is just it is fair and is therefore.... reasonable and accepted. iow you just admitted that no means no and what i said is true. of course everything is always better in maxworld. the point maxi is that the demand for diesel is still rather low compared to that of gas but if that changes the price of diesel will skyrocket just like it does every winter when the demand goes up and iirc that low sulfer stuff costs more to make. more rubbish from you. the demand for diesel is at least what the demand from gasoline is or havent you noticed all the tractor trailers on the road once again it is a valid option because the demand is low. if it increases the days of free supplies will quickly vanish. even when i have to pay for it and why would i get it for free itll be about the same price if not lower than refined diesel. further it burns cleaner than gasoline diesel or ethanol. since you are so concerned with emissions that should interest you. i didnt say that diesel engines were a bad idea and if they can kill the smell that they dump out i say go for it but the price will be much higher than it is now and nothing you have said so far indicates anything different. except that ive used facts and you have none. care to try again -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. wrong and wrong. yes you are but we are used to it. when fueling gasoline particularly the high octane blends frequently out stink the diesel fuel im standing next to while filling my truck. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. what were typically compensating for is a high fuel bill and the need to keep moving the loads we do. once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. how much more do you really think it will be able to haul how about nothing more and probably less due to the weight of the engine. as such a diesel is far more effic

From : mac davis

on tue 25 apr 2006 222002 -0400 nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote miles wrote tom lawrence wrote diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. that depends on where you are. here in nj my local station had the following this morning 87 - $2.899 89 - $2.999 93 - $3.099 #2 - $2.919 thats true. meant to say here in az. my keyboard is wireless and when the batteries are low it leaves out words sometimes. you should get an ac adapter for your wireless keyboard. ;^ big solar panel.. *g* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : tbone

tom lawrence wrote diesel is about the same and sometimes a bit higher than premium....about 20 cents above regular. been that way for several years now. that depends on where you are. here in nj my local station had the following this morning 87 - $2.899 89 - $2.999 93 - $3.099 #2 - $2.919 thats true. meant to say here in az. my keyboard is wireless and when the batteries are low it leaves out words sometimes. lol that was good. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : christopher thompson

-- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango for one simple answer they stink. the fuel stinks and so does the exhaust. wrong and wrong. yes you are but we are used to it. when fueling gasoline particularly the high octane blends frequently out stink the diesel fuel im standing next to while filling my truck. odor while driving is non existant. i cant smell my trucks exhaust unless i stand directly next to the tailpipe and the air is relatively still. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. it is bad enough when i get stuck behind them as infrequently as i do. it would really suck if their numbers increased dramatically in the form of mid-sized pickups for people trying to compensate for something. what were typically compensating for is a high fuel bill and the need to keep moving the loads we do. once again you speak without thinking. we are talking about a dakota here not a full sized p/u. how much more do you really think it will be able to haul how about nothing more and probably less due to the weight of the engine. how much wieght do you think the crd is adding i mean really i know exactly. we just bought one last night and ive got the literature to back it up. the crd adds almost exactly 260lbs to the liberty. thats it! now keep in mind thats over the 3.7l v6 witch im guessing weighs way less than the 5.9/5.2. as such a diesel is far more efficient. if you really think that everybody who buys one does it for hauling then you really are dummer than dirt. even just driving an unloaded truck diesels typically get better mpg than a gasoline truck driven in similar if not exactly the same way. in essence diesels do the same job or more that that of a gasser using less fuel. while true the average person would be hard pressed to save enough money on fuel to pay for the added cost of that engine and with increased demand you get increased prices and that low sulfur requirement will drive the price up even further. wouldnt that be somehting you want given your tendency to rant about our dependancy on foreign oil if people really wanted to save fuel there are many better ways to do it. that is just a justification and a lame one at that. the funny thing is that if it does happen the rapid increase in demand will cause the cost of diesel to climb so high that it would be cheaper to drive toms v10 than your cummins and i feel sorry for anyone who heats their homes with the stuff after that. actually right now im paying 5-20 cents less a gallon than my gasoline burning counterparts. of course everything is always better in maxworld. the point maxi is that the demand for diesel is still rather low compared to that of gas but if that changes the price of diesel will skyrocket just like it does every winter when the demand goes up and iirc that low sulfer stuff costs more to make. i also have the option of biodiesel with far fewer drawbacks than the ethanol mix you will be forced to used fairly shortly. once again it is a valid option because the demand is low. if it increases the days of free supplies will quickly vanish. another flaw to your assertion that it would be cheaper to drive a v10 well that gasoline gets hauled in on.... diesel powered trucks. and your point is oh thats right you dont have one. your diesel is also hauled in on those very same trucks so the price increase in delivery will be added onto the price of diesel as well increasing it even further. there is obviously a lot more to why diesel works so well but i doubt youd believe it. i didnt say that diesel engines were a bad idea and if they can kill the smell that they dump out i say go for it but the price will be much higher than it is now and nothing you have said so far indicates anything different. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : mac davis

on wed 26 apr 2006 012308 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote ok so you are too amusing to let go.... gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you would have either on your hand unless you are a bhuddist monk protesting a war. i saw a couple of those monks do their thing a long time ago. their mileage was horrible. roy sure would have been funny to switch their fuel to diesel and watch them try to light it.. *eg* mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : mac davis

on tue 25 apr 2006 210801 -0400 clare at snyder.on.ca wrote a properly set up diesel running low sulphur fuel doesnt smell too bad but even a tdi with our sulphurized fuel makes its presence known particularly when accellerating. not nearly as obnoxious as the older diesels for sure. fuel mileage on the oil-burners is always better than the gasoline version of the same vehicle but with the exception of the tdi it will also have significantly poorer performance for the same engine size. the old turbo jettas were pretty acceptable on the highway after you got them wound up while the normally aspirated version was a dog. *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** the one that impressed me was the 4-banged td that mitsubitsi used to put in their mighty max pickup... i would have bought that truck just for the engine if they were available in a 2wd truck.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : roy

-- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango how much wieght do you think the crd is adding i mean really i know exactly. we just bought one last night and ive got the literature to back it up. the crd adds almost exactly 260lbs to the liberty. thats it! now keep in mind thats over the 3.7l v6 witch im guessing weighs way less than the 5.9/5.2. chris do you have the curb weight difference of one with the crd and one without. or was the 260 pounds that difference roy .

From : roy

on wed 26 apr 2006 012308 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote ok so you are too amusing to let go.... gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you would have either on your hand unless you are a bhuddist monk protesting a war. i saw a couple of those monks do their thing a long time ago. their mileage was horrible. roy sure would have been funny to switch their fuel to diesel and watch them try to light it.. *eg* bro im sure somebody would have lit them up. roy mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .

From : christopher thompson

-- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango how much wieght do you think the crd is adding i mean really i know exactly. we just bought one last night and ive got the literature to back it up. the crd adds almost exactly 260lbs to the liberty. thats it! now keep in mind thats over the 3.7l v6 witch im guessing weighs way less than the 5.9/5.2. chris do you have the curb weight difference of one with the crd and one without. or was the 260 pounds that difference roy that was the wieght differance between the 4wd liberty crd and the 4wd 3.7l v6. thats exactly how i figured that. base curb weight on those two vehicles sould be simmularly equipped vehicles so the added weight should be only the diesel engine stuff. my assumption anyways -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango 06 liberty crd .

From : tbone

and he admitted to using my name as a reference to anything frustrating. according to the way i was raised my beliefs that is an insult even since it is a nickname. more complete bullshit. i thought that you didnt lie. i dont. i understood him to be saying he uses my name as profanity in reference to anything that frustrates him. get that through your thick head tom. you dont tell me what he meant. i am not talking about that budd. what im talking about is you constant stream of bs about how your were raised to be an asshole. no in reality what you are taliking about is your lack of tolerance for anyone that is not a liberal like yourself anyone that thinks differently belives differently or was raised differently. once again more lies. you have a million excuses for acting like an asshole but if anyone calls you on it you scream lack of tolerance when this whole part of this thread was created by your lack of tolerance. lack of tolerance or values differing from yours lack of tolerance. i was raised to respect the values of others apparently you were not. you may have been raised that way but you dont do it. i believe that you use the term politically incorrect to attempt to cover yourself here. i doubt very much that your mother brought you up this way and yes budd you are an asshole and even your friends think you are acting that way anymore. my friends can speak for themselves you are not their representative. if you are then they are not friends. i guess that is your hatred coming out again. now what part of the bible describes this as proper behavior. the fact that none of them called me on this say it all. no it means that not one of them spoke anything on the matter. roy is my friend and he spoke to me about it we discussed it and not once did he say i was hateful an idiot or any of the other terms you used in reference to me. you really need to stop mixing things up in the hopes of confusing others into thinking you are correct as it really doesnt work. i was the one who said you were hateful toward me and has nothing to do with roy mac or anyone else and nobody called you an idiot. at best i may have asked you if you were one with some of the responses i was getting but even i didnt outright call you one. but the fact that they did not call me on anything i actually said shows it all that you are overreacting to a minor thing is such a matter that it can be called nothing less than childish and appears to me anyway to be nothing more than your victims mentality and a desperate need for attention. but then roy has respect for others values. yes he does which is why he is trying to use the politically correct way of telling you to grow up and act like a man. the only thing really stopping them from flat out saying it to you is that unlike you they actually care about anothers your feelings and know that it really is a waste of time saying anything to you since you only see what you want to see regardless of the number of others saying something different. so by this you admit your own intolerance hypocristy and hatred towards me. no budd you admitted that in your statement above. you have made it clear that you would never be my friend so what exactly do i have to worry about by telling you the cold hard truth it is not that i hate you budd because you have really never done anything to me to make me hate you it is that you have made it very clear to me that i really have nothing to lose by being honest. unfortunately your definition of honesty doesnt match any dictionary definition. therefore its not honesty. once again your hatefullness toward me distorts all you see. you can try and hide behind religious beliefs and political incorrectness for justifications for being the way you are but in reality..... and you hide behind your claims of tolerance liberality atheism political correctness hypocrisy and outright lying. i am far more tolerant that you could ever be and this whining from you over a silly name is proof positive. no its proof that i dont want my name turned into a profanity. to you and according to your moral codes its nothing if your name is used profanely. according to my moral codes values and beliefs its an insult. ok call me an idiot if you want but i just dont get it. please explain in legible fashion exactly how he is using your name as a profanity. now if you dont or just fall back on your typical insults without explaining it then we will all know the truth. its odd that tb can get mad and make some really serious threats if someone uses his name at all because of how according to hi his name was denigrated in some groups but im to ignore the insult to my name. if you are going to keep bringing my name up at least get it right. my name was not denigrated it was being

From : max dodge

gasoline smells nothing like diesel and although stronger it fades much more quickly. if some gas dribbles down the side of the vehicle or down the overflow it evaporates quickly and the smell is gone not so with diesel and i prefer the smell of gas to that of diesel although i prefer not to be exposed to either for any real lengh of time. ok so its a preference for bad smells that makes your decision. this could explain the attutide you have that your shit doesnt stink. once again you speak without thinking. the liberty has a great towing/hauling capacity and it has a diesel option. and how much more does it have than the gas engine version and what is the price difference. dont know dont care it proves that your point about people not hauling loads with a midsize truck is complete bullshit. i didnt say everyone max but from what i see the majority of people who own suvs never use them for anything that a car couldnt do. the majority of suvs arent diesel trucks thus mentioning any opinion based on the typical suv is pointless as we are not discussing suvs. the low sulphur requirement went into effect almost 5 years ago. i cant remember buying fuel that did not have a label saying it was low sulphur on road diesel. thus your rhetoric about increased price over sulphur regs is bullshit. the increase happened 5 years ago if at all. http//www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm once again you speak with your head up your ass. once again you forgot that all diesel engines and fuel manufacturers had a conference on the issue in 2001 and resolved to implement the changes necessary ahead of schedule. perhaps if you scrolled down that same page youd know this already. http//www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/epa-air/2001/january/day-18/a01a.pdf this is found via a link on the page you posted. if you look carefully at the top of page two just after the title page on the right hand column it quotes the date the rule becomes effective which is march 19th of 2001. youll also note at the bottom of the second column the anticipated rise in price for low sulphur diesel fuel was about $.05 per gallon not exactly the staggering amount you make it out to be. again ill state that all fuel that ive pumped has been of the low sulphur on road variety as far back as i remember. since i own a 2000 ram a good 80% of the fuel ive burned is of the low sulphur blend. justification no matter how lame is by its inherent definition just. if it is just it is fair and is therefore.... reasonable and accepted. iow you just admitted that no means no and what i said is true. your constant spin is getting old. sadly that was an explanation of your spin. lol how many commuters are driving those tractor trailers the price is based on the current demand and right now it is very low as far as commuters go and if that demand increases so will the price and once again you have saod nothing of value here. right youve said nothing of value since youve declined to acknowledge the existance of huge fleets of trucks driven much farther at much lesser rates of economy burning diesel fuel. iow the demand is there you just dont wish to accept it since it would blow your entire theory. it does interest me and if they get it right then im all for it but that time is not now. as far as being the same or lower price once again supply and demand will cure that just like the record profits by the oil companies now. as for the free supplies i was referring to the free used cooking oil that is currently available to make it. they have got it right there are many people burning it and at least a few companies looking to start mass production of biodiesel. really where just because you spin and come out with complete and pure bs doesnt make it facts. ahh yes the typical i dont wanna know the truth excuses. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ok so you are too amusing to let go.... as are you maxi as are you. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i will have to deal with if i get stuck behind one. last i checked my tailpipe is outside my truck which is what i referred to. clearly you do not read very well if at all what i say. of course the other option is that your tailpipe is inside your truck which would explain a few things. sorry maxi but it appears that you are the one who cannot read clearly or just have a complete lack of comprehension. as for the smell of the fuel if you spill any of it it stinks for days while gas evaporates quickly and the smell is gone so i guess you were wronng and wrong. gasoline smells about the same amount and sticks to your hand at least as well. though god only knows why you woul

From : christopher thompson

gasoline smells nothing like diesel and although stronger it fades much more quickly. if some gas dribbles down the side of the vehicle or down the overflow it evaporates quickly and the smell is gone not so with diesel and i prefer the smell of gas to that of diesel although i prefer not to be exposed to either for any real lengh of time. ok so its a preference for bad smells that makes your decision. this could explain the attutide you have that your shit doesnt stink. once again you speak without thinking. the liberty has a great towing/hauling capacity and it has a diesel option. and how much more does it have than the gas engine version and what is the price difference. dont know dont care it proves that your point about people not hauling loads with a midsize truck is complete bullshit. here i can answer that one. the price differance was only about 3k im fairly sure of that one. and heres the towing specs properly equipped for the engine/trans combonations 2.8l turbo diesel 5 speed 545rfe 5000lbs gtwr 3.7l v6 4 speed 42rle 5000lbs gtwr 3.7l v6 6 speed manual trans 3500lbs gtwr note the diesel engine options price was masked by the other option costs on the gasoline vehicles on the lot. i cant imagine what else other than crome accents you could get on one other than what my wife has. but there was a 3.7l 4 speed auto next to hers on the lot that cost more and didnt have the towing group. -- -chris 05 ctd 99 durango 06 liberty crd i didnt say everyone max but from what i see the majority of people who own suvs never use them for anything that a car couldnt do. the majority of suvs arent diesel trucks thus mentioning any opinion based on the typical suv is pointless as we are not discussing suvs. the low sulphur requirement went into effect almost 5 years ago. i cant remember buying fuel that did not have a label saying it was low sulphur on road diesel. thus your rhetoric about increased price over sulphur regs is bullshit. the increase happened 5 years ago if at all. http//www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/fuels/diesel/diesel.htm once again you speak with your head up your ass. once again you forgot that all diesel engines and fuel manufacturers had a conference on the issue in 2001 and resolved to implement the changes necessary ahead of schedule. perhaps if you scrolled down that same page youd know this already. http//www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/epa-air/2001/january/day-18/a01a.pdf this is found via a link on the page you posted. if you look carefully at the top of page two just after the title page on the right hand column it quotes the date the rule becomes effective which is march 19th of 2001. youll also note at the bottom of the second column the anticipated rise in price for low sulphur diesel fuel was about $.05 per gallon not exactly the staggering amount you make it out to be. again ill state that all fuel that ive pumped has been of the low sulphur on road variety as far back as i remember. since i own a 2000 ram a good 80% of the fuel ive burned is of the low sulphur blend. justification no matter how lame is by its inherent definition just. if it is just it is fair and is therefore.... reasonable and accepted. iow you just admitted that no means no and what i said is true. your constant spin is getting old. sadly that was an explanation of your spin. lol how many commuters are driving those tractor trailers the price is based on the current demand and right now it is very low as far as commuters go and if that demand increases so will the price and once again you have saod nothing of value here. right youve said nothing of value since youve declined to acknowledge the existance of huge fleets of trucks driven much farther at much lesser rates of economy burning diesel fuel. iow the demand is there you just dont wish to accept it since it would blow your entire theory. it does interest me and if they get it right then im all for it but that time is not now. as far as being the same or lower price once again supply and demand will cure that just like the record profits by the oil companies now. as for the free supplies i was referring to the free used cooking oil that is currently available to make it. they have got it right there are many people burning it and at least a few companies looking to start mass production of biodiesel. really where just because you spin and come out with complete and pure bs doesnt make it facts. ahh yes the typical i dont wanna know the truth excuses. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author ok so you are too amusing to let go.... as are you maxi as are you. as usual you just dont get it. i am not refering to the smell inside the truck i am refering to the smell outside of the truck that i wil

From : todd

of course we could all just wait for this guy to show up then max and tbone can be buddies again! http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/03/06/212475.html .