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DTC 0336 --- PLEASE HELP!! ANYONE !!!

From : nojodas67

Q: http//www.hemitruckclub.com/ download the entire manual here. look on the left side. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author hello my 2003 3/4ton ram is showing dtc 336. it is the crank sensor performance trouble code. if anyone has a service manual and can send me the diagnostic procedure it would be terrific! my email is craffcustomhomes@sbcglobal.net thank you. this is a great site. .

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From : fmb

most parts stores sell a special wrench set just for cooling fan clutches. dodge is not the only manufacturer to use this set up ford and chevy also use it on there late model vehicles w/mechanical cooling fans. .

From : tom lawrence

with an 03 ho also yes .

From : nojodas67

is there any real improvement in performance when increasing the timing. i would almost be afraid to do that as it would probably cause the ecm to go nuts as it tries to compensate. about 20hp and about 2mpg improvements. the hpcrs are retarded 4 i think compared to the older 24vs all in the name of emissions. with an 03 ho also .

From : steve lusardi

thanks tom pretty much what i expected. by the way have you done the tone ring mod nah... no real reason to. the tst already advances the timing about as much as it should go. advancing it further by clocking the tone ring would introduce too much advance hurting performance. for someone without a timing box though its a cheap way to pick up some performance. .

From : tom lawrence

well one good reason to stop before entering the traffic from a driveway alley or parking lot entrance gate is because the law says youre supposed to stop in most states. but check your states current drivers licensing manual to be sure. budd nathan w. collier wrote choosing not to stop before exiting a parking lot onto a very busy city street is negligent at best. bullshit......... the local walmart where i live has no stop sign or a painted stop on the pavement at their exit before the street and i exit there all the time without stopping first. why should i.... there is a clear view of traffic at least a 100 feet in both direction before even getting to the exit and that view is 500-600 feet on both sides of the road. so if there is no traffic for several hundred feet on the road before the exit why should anyone stop. i doubt there is a single person around this ng that has never done the same thing. it doesnt really matter nate and like i said before i understand your frustration and right to be mad because your truck has been wrecked but youre picking at straws now. jerry .

From : tom lawrence

on tue 29 nov 2005 180916 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote received greeeaaaattt today got confirmation for a class in cincinnati next week. the training center is about 5-6 blocks from a castle. castles for lunch and a crave case to go.... it just dont get any better than that.... yummy!!! denny hmmmm..... wonder if d/c does that on purpose theres a castle near our tech center here in stl too... always my favorite lunch spot. mike maybe they have plans for fueling with methane/biodiesel mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : clt

on tue 29 nov 2005 223442 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote received greeeaaaattt today got confirmation for a class in cincinnati next week. the training center is about 5-6 blocks from a castle. castles for lunch and a crave case to go.... it just dont get any better than that.... yummy!!! denny except for the poor souls that have to sit next to ya after lunch.... theyd probably prefer the carrot variety of bunny farts.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : roy

sorry to be a pia but it is busy as hell here. talk to me about the tone ring mod please. what guys are doing is unbolting the tone ring and ovalling out the mounting holes a bit allowing them to re-install the ring clocked a few degrees which advances the timing. this came about after a company started offering modified crank sensors where they modified the mount so that it sat a few degrees forward of stock producing the same result. .

From : nojodas67

is there any real improvement in performance when increasing the timing. i would almost be afraid to do that as it would probably cause the ecm to go nuts as it tries to compensate. about 20hp and about 2mpg improvements. the hpcrs are retarded 4 i think compared to the older 24vs all in the name of emissions. .

From : nojodas67

is there any real performance improvement by doing that or just the real chance to screw something up. .

From : beekeep

i have a 95 dodge dakota that wont start with the turn of the key i have replaced the starter and can hear the relay clicking when i turn key but get nothing else. any thoughts on what the problem maybe .

From : max dodge

even then wasnt it a rwal system -chris especially when anti-lock brakes are involved. not an issue here he was driving an 80s f250. i know ford started putting anti-locks on the late 80s f150 but i dont think they made their way into the heavy duty line until the 90s. -- nathan w. collier http//utilityoffroad.com http//7slotgrille.com http//inlinediesel.com http//bighornrefrigeration.com .

From : tom lawrence

thanks tom pretty much what i expected. by the way have you done the tone ring mod nah... no real reason to. the tst already advances the timing about as much as it should go. advancing it further by clocking the tone ring would introduce too much advance hurting performance. for someone without a timing box though its a cheap way to pick up some performance. sorry to be a pia but it is busy as hell here. talk to me about the tone ring mod please. roy .

From : max dodge

this manual has no mention of specific dtcs. .

From : max dodge

my 2003 3/4ton ram is showing dtc 336. it is the crank sensor performance trouble code. is this truck stock or have you recently installed a tst powermax the diagnostic procedure starts with hooking up a dealer-only scan tool... so thats most likely out of the question. .

From : tom lawrence

i was on a business trip to ohio and stopped at a white castle. i mean everyone raves about them so had to stop. i thought they were the grossest form of something resembling a burger ive ever had. ill stick to a real hamburger from now on! well at least i tried them once. miles that ought to give ya a good indication of what some folks around here consider food.g the last wc in my area i knew of was in a section of boston called the combat zone. not even the muggers hookers pimps drunks and junkies would eat there. it was closed about 20 years ago. i think wc have been banned from the new england region. least i hope so. harummmph! what do you yankees know about good eatin anyway ;^ mike received greeeaaaattt today got confirmation for a class in cincinnati next week. the training center is about 5-6 blocks from a castle. castles for lunch and a crave case to go.... it just dont get any better than that.... yummy!!! denny hmmmm..... wonder if d/c does that on purpose theres a castle near our tech center here in stl too... always my favorite lunch spot. mike .

From : steve lusardi

one occurred. what is your best guess as to the source of the fault well the banks is very similar to the tst with respect to how it modifies injection timing - by intercepting the cps signal and playing with it. occasionally it plays with it enough to cause the ecm to get suspicious and theow a p0336 code because what the ecm is seeing from the cps isnt jiving with what its expecting. i get this every now and then with my tst... it used to be worse and it used to almost always occur when it was wet out. i suspect some water was getting into the sensor connections and causing a problem. ive since coated the connections with di-electric grease and almost never get the problem. very rarely when conditions are right and im lugging the engine kinda hard to do with an auto tranny but possible it will pop. additionally tst found a programming issue with their early boxes and have addressed that with re-flashes. come to think of it i havent hard a p0336 code since i swapped boxes for one with a newer program. i find it very hard to believe banks has never heard of this problem... sounds more like the standard tech-support go away im eating lunch response. in the end though its juse something youll need to live with as long as the six gun is installed. as you observed it doesnt affect the engines operation. for a while i just rode around with an obd-ii scan tool in my center console and in fact still have it there and would check/clear the code whenever it popped up. theres nothing else you can do about it. .

From : nojodas67

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From : tom lawrence

7wlhf.24728$zv5.17566@svr25..prodigy.net fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote on thu 24 nov 2005 100728 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote happy thanksgiving!! and dont forget to run the turkey drippings through a k$n filter berfore making the gravy. beekeep giblets in giblets out. happy turkey day all! if the rabbit eats a turduckin chicken in a duck in a turkey does that make him a turduckinbit or a raturduckin fmb id say a rat turd .

From : tom lawrence

this manual has no mention of specific dtcs. you have to know where to look symptom p0336-crankshaft position ckp sensor signal when monitored and set condition p0336-crankshaft position ckp sensor signal when monitored with the key on. set condition the voltage detected at the crankshaft position sensor is below a calibrated value. possible causes ckp sensor g17 signal circuit open k6 5-volt supply circuit open k167 return circuit open g17 signal circuit shorted to k167 return circuit k6 5-volt supply circuit shorted to k167 return circuit g17 signal circuit shorted to k6 5-volt supply circuit g17 signal circuit shorted to ground k6 5-volt supply circuit shorted to battery negative intermittent condition ecm test action 1 disconnect the ckp sensor harness connector. note check connectors - clean/repair as necessary. measure the resistance between the k6 5-volt supply circuit and the g17 signal circuit of the sensor harness connector. is the resistance between 900 and 1100 ohms yes - go to 2 no - replace the ckp sensor. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 2 disconnect the ecm harness connectors. disconnect the ckp sensor harness connector. check connectors - clean/repair as necessary. measure the resistance of the g17 signal circuit between the ecm harness connector and the ckp sensor harness connector. is the resistance less than 10 ohms yes - go to 3 no - repair the open g17 signal circuit. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 3 measure the resistance of the k6 5-volt supply circuit between the ecm harness connector and the ckp sensor harness connector. is the resistance less than 10 ohms yes - go to 4 no - repair the open k6 5-volt supply circuit. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 4 measure the resistance of the k167 return circuit between the ecm harness connector and the ckp sensor harness connector. is the resistance less than 10 ohms yes - go to 5 no - repair the open k167 return circuit. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 5 measure the resistance between the g17 signal circuit and the k167 return circuit in the sensor connector. is the resistance greater than 100k ohms yes - go to 6 no - repair the short circuit or replace the engine harness. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 6 measure the resistance between the k6 5-volt supply circuit and the k167 return circuit in the sensor connector. is the resistance greater than 100k ohms yes - go to 7 no - repair the short circuit or replace the engine harness. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 7 measure the resistance between the g17 signal circuit and ground. is the resistance greater than 100k ohms yes - go to 8 no - repair the short circuit or replace the engine harness. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 8 measure the resistance between the k6 5-volt supply circuit and ground. is the resistance greater than 100k ohms yes - go to 9 no - repair the short circuit or replace the engine harness. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 9 measure the resistance between the g17 signal circuit and the k6 5-volt supply circuit in the sensor connector. is the resistance greater than 100k ohms yes - go to 10 no - repair the short circuit or replace the engine harness. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. 10 reconnect the ecm harness connectors. ignition on engine not running. with the drbiii erase dtcs. connect a jumper wire between the sensor supply circuit and the sensor return circuit in the sensor harness connector. did dtc p0337 set yes - refer to the intermittent condition symptom diagnostic procedure. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. no - replace the ecm. perform powertrain verification test ver - 1 diesel. .