DANG IT! Engine Light on.
From : geekboy
Q: on tue 18 apr 2006 141813 -0600 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net wrote on my d-150 being a 79 it lost the smog stuff got a 1972 360 degree two-barrel intake / carb and the vacuum curve was carefully set for full in at minimum vacuum without causing ping. the /6 had a mechanical advance recurve with 93 octane fuel and all the advance it could handle. the road runner got its best mileage whenever anyone but me drove it my mom especially but then i was but 21 years old at the time and gas was 35 cents / gal. us. runner had wide ratio 4 speed and the long gears friend still has his all original 69 runner with that equipment. driven right it would do high 20s on the highway. push it a bit and you could easily get 10. easily bury the needle in third. *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .
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From : tom lawrence
stopped maybe that would explain the intermittent problem at freeway speeds and now just replaced evap purge solenoid but problem remains there are no trouble codes being generated. any ideas would be greatly appreciated since my girlfriend lives around 300 miles away and this could happen a couple times a trip! more i have now changed out crank sensor cam sensor rerouted wires per tsb new stock coil changed out bosch platinums with stock plugs changed out gas cap bought fuel pressure gauge pressure seems fine the problem with engine bogging down still happens after long drives at 65-70 mph i live in california and want to drive to new orleans to help victims my prevous post have not gotten any replies please respond it you have any ideas. not sure if related but since i changed out gas cap seems like moisture actually water accumulates in cap one of you guys must have an idea. . 222 316430 xns97a9cd42c74e2spamngca@199.175.106.247 matt none@yourbusiness.com wrote in ok i have to say this has me worried a little. i have a 91 dakota that i usually take to pennzoil for oil change air filter etc. one of the last times i took it there they drained all the oil out and told me to start er up i always stay in the car while they do the work. when i asked if they had put oil back in they looked dumbfounded. but back to topic i had them to change the trans fluid and occasionally the truck wont go into over drive. what do i need to do to halt any further damage! take it to a dealer/professional and have them flush it thanks matt just keep driving it and before you get 10000 miles on that fluid you will know you made a mistake. shifts will get slower than it will not want to go into overdrive. then a few grand for a rebuild.pay a few hundred now or a few thousand later. just an update on my scenario spoke to pennzoil ezlube manager after gathering some online material plus help from tom lawrence and marsh monster.he finally agreed to get in atf+4. later that day the owner called to confirm he had been on the phone all morning with chrysler the bulk atf+4 was coming in from chrysler. he still backs the thousands of dodges he has used his base fluid with appropriate additive method but will redo mine so i dont ever have to battle a warranty. he must have been stonewalled pretty good by dodge.... so i go in tomorrow inspect the bulk barrel label and have it redone. i agreed to pay an extra $35 can for the difference in fluid costs.... fair is fair. ron update again after if nec. .
From : geekboy
snip later that day the owner called to confirm he had been on the phone all morning with chrysler the bulk atf+4 was coming in from chrysler. snip so i go in tomorrow inspect the bulk barrel label and have it redone. i agreed to pay an extra $35 can for the difference in fluid costs.... fair is fair. ron update again after if nec. ========= ========= glad to hear theyre working with you ron. marsh .
From : geekboy
code 0237 turbo boost sensor a circuit low what to do voltage from the map sensor is too low. its the three-wire sensor/connector on the top of the intake manifold towards the back of the engine. first remove the connector and check the general condition of the wires connector and pins. clean anything that looks like it would cause a poor connection. if that doesnt do it turn the ignition on and check voltage between the orange +5v and black/blue ground. if theres no voltage there or its significantly less than 5v under 4.5v theres a wiring problem. next make a jumper wire to connect the orange and gray/red wires together feeding full reference voltage to the signal circuit then start the engine. check for codes. if a p0238 is set means map sensor voltage too high your wiring is good and youll need a new map sensor. otherwise you have a wiring problem. thanks for that quick input. this did it before and after the truck had all day to cool down the code went away. now today it did it again. i looked for the 3 wire map sensor. i think you better have a look before i try anything.. there is a 4 wire device at top instead of 3. i will post the pictures in another post incase you have a problem seening. thanks again.. gb bad sensor bad wire big $$$ at the stealership id put a nickel on a bad map sensor myself... .
From : tom lawrence
i looked for the 3 wire map sensor. i think you better have a look before i try anything.. there is a 4 wire device at top instead of 3. sorry - my minds stuck in 3rd gen mode... the map is on the side of the intake manifold on the 2nd gens just behind the fuel filter canister... there are actually two connectors there in close proximity. the map is the forward sensor - the rearward sensor is the iat and is a two-wire sensor whereas the map is a 3-wire i will post the pictures in another post incase you have a problem seening. great... cant wait for the net nannies to complain about binaries in the group. incidentally i have no idea what you were taking pictures of... thats gotta be some kind of aftermarket setup - no idea what its for but it didnt come that way from the factory. .
From : geekboy
i looked for the 3 wire map sensor. i think you better have a look before i try anything.. there is a 4 wire device at top instead of 3. sorry - my minds stuck in 3rd gen mode... the map is on the side of the intake manifold on the 2nd gens just behind the fuel filter canister... there are actually two connectors there in close proximity. the map is the forward sensor - the rearward sensor is the iat and is a two-wire sensor whereas the map is a 3-wire oh now i see...hehe.. i got far as reading the voltage. the orange and black/blue wires read 4.374.38 volts. suggestions comments work around for the wiring i will post the pictures in another post incase you have a problem seening. great... cant wait for the net nannies to complain about binaries in the group. well letem. they dont have to download them if the dont want/ incidentally i have no idea what you were taking pictures of... thats gotta be some kind of aftermarket setup - no idea what its for but it didnt come that way from the factory. i think it is part of the gauges from banks and the exhaust break and smartlock from dtt. thanks for the great help so far! gb .
From : tom lawrence
oh now i see...hehe.. i got far as reading the voltage. the orange and black/blue wires read 4.374.38 volts. suggestions comments work around for the wiring a little low would probably read higher with the engine running.... but not enough to cause that code on its own. do the jumper wire test and see if the p0238 code pops. if so id pick up a new map sensor. now you know where it is so changing it should be simple .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
its just my opinion but when the pics are relevant to the problem like these are then the net nannies should go play in the sandbox. or they can stick to complaining about my cushman pictures. to geekboy thanks for the pictures. i learned from them and have a better understanding of whats under the hood of the newer trucks. -- budd cochran i looked for the 3 wire map sensor. i think you better have a look before i try anything.. there is a 4 wire device at top instead of 3. sorry - my minds stuck in 3rd gen mode... the map is on the side of the intake manifold on the 2nd gens just behind the fuel filter canister... there are actually two connectors there in close proximity. the map is the forward sensor - the rearward sensor is the iat and is a two-wire sensor whereas the map is a 3-wire i will post the pictures in another post incase you have a problem seening. great... cant wait for the net nannies to complain about binaries in the group. incidentally i have no idea what you were taking pictures of... thats gotta be some kind of aftermarket setup - no idea what its for but it didnt come that way from the factory. *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .
From : roy
its just my opinion but when the pics are relevant to the problem like these are then the net nannies should go play in the sandbox. or they can stick to complaining about my cushman pictures. to geekboy thanks for the pictures. i learned from them and have a better understanding of whats under the hood of the newer trucks. agreed!! this is a unmoderated group. we have been writing and posting what we want for some time. although to be polite ya might want to let folks know that pics are on the way in the subject line. roy .
From : geekboy
oh now i see...hehe.. i got far as reading the voltage. the orange and black/blue wires read 4.374.38 volts. suggestions comments work around for the wiring a little low would probably read higher with the engine running.... but not enough to cause that code on its own. do the jumper wire test and see if the p0238 code pops. if so id pick up a new map sensor. now you know where it is so changing it should be simple okay..i will check tomorrow..i need to borrow the autozone machine again to do that. autozone does not have them but kragen auto parts does. $95 ouch. i hope the picture of what they show to be the map sensor is not the actual one. http//www.partsamerica.com/productdetail.aspxmfrcode=gps&mfrpartnumber=77911585&parttype=414&ptset=a the only part that looks like it is the connector. thanks for the super help and i will let you know tomorrow. gb .
From : tom lawrence
okay..i will check tomorrow..i need to borrow the autozone machine again to do that. youve got a 2000 right that should display codes on the odometer with the key off-on method. autozone does not have them but kragen auto parts does. $95 ouch. i hope the picture of what they show to be the map sensor is not the actual one. thats a gas-engine map sensor. the one you want looks like this http//www.rockauto.com/ref/airtex/detail.html5s5457.jpg these guys have it part number 4921497 for $42 and change http//www.hoeslidiesel.com/specials.htm .
From : geekboy
okay..i will check tomorrow..i need to borrow the autozone machine again to do that. youve got a 2000 right that should display codes on the odometer with the key off-on method. that is what 4 or 5 times off thanks autozone does not have them but kragen auto parts does. $95 ouch. i hope the picture of what they show to be the map sensor is not the actual one. thats a gas-engine map sensor. the one you want looks like this http//www.rockauto.com/ref/airtex/detail.html5s5457.jpg these guys have it part number 4921497 for $42 and change http//www.hoeslidiesel.com/specials.htm well tha seems to be a better price thanks and i will let you knw the results! .
From : geekboy
its just my opinion but when the pics are relevant to the problem like these are then the net nannies should go play in the sandbox. or they can stick to complaining about my cushman pictures. to geekboy thanks for the pictures. i learned from them and have a better understanding of whats under the hood of the newer trucks. hey no problem. times are changing. a lot of those rules were from the modem using days. clicking on the wrong message could tie your modem up for a while. i dont know would be using a modem these days except those only on for a few minutes a week. even satellite has gotten a lot cheaper to use so. gb -- budd cochran i looked for the 3 wire map sensor. i think you better have a look before i try anything.. there is a 4 wire device at top instead of 3. sorry - my minds stuck in 3rd gen mode... the map is on the side of the intake manifold on the 2nd gens just behind the fuel filter canister... there are actually two connectors there in close proximity. the map is the forward sensor - the rearward sensor is the iat and is a two-wire sensor whereas the map is a 3-wire i will post the pictures in another post incase you have a problem seening. great... cant wait for the net nannies to complain about binaries in the group. incidentally i have no idea what you were taking pictures of... thats gotta be some kind of aftermarket setup - no idea what its for but it didnt come that way from the factory. *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .
From : news admin
in 44465e61$0$14492$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com on wed 19 apr 2006 105729 -0600 budd cochran wrote path 01.roc.ny!-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!.glorb.com!feed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!statler.nntpserver.com!be5.nntpserver.com!not-for-mail message-id 44465e61$0$14492$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com from budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net subject re dang it! engine light on. date wed 19 apr 2006 105729 -0600 references 44459383$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com bgi1g.6676$sq5.2554@read2..atl.earthlink.net 4445b7f2$0$24440$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com jxj1g.6683$sq5.1993@read2..atl.earthlink.net 444623bc$0$14415$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com slrne4cp2g.14dp.admin@-server.invalid lines 91 organization hdsc x-priority 3 x-msmail-priority normal x-reader microsoft outlook express 6.00.2900.2869 x-mimeole produced by microsoft mimeole v6.00.2900.2869 x-rfc2646 format=flowed; original nntp-posting-date 19 apr 2006 155930 gmt x-complaints-to abuse@nntpserver.com x-received-date wed 19 apr 2006 165729 utc 01.roc.ny your point *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .
From : news admin
in 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 072824 -0700 geekboy wrote hey no problem. times are changing. a lot of those rules were from the modem using days. clicking on the wrong message could tie your modem up for a while. just to clarify usenet is a distributed network. every time you post anything its stored on tens of thousands of servers around the world... and must therefore use many thousands of times the bandwidth of your single post regardless of whether anyone clicks on it or not. so its not the bandwidth of downloading to individual desktop machines but the overhead bandwidth and storage that ires admins especially if theyve got the text groups on an 80gb drive and people start posting dvds there. some servers limit retention time of a group by the the number of mb in a group so when you post a single binary you knock off 100 text messages from the backend of those servers. some admins will actually drop a group if it starts becoming abused with too many binaries. by posting binaries you could actually be the cause of someone not getting your favorite group anymore. additionally nntp is a 7-bit protocol. that means a 100k graphic must be encoded to 7-bit which means that the data transmitted and stored is really 140k. put graphics on a web server. then a 100k graphic only takes 101k of bandwidth to download... only the number of times someone actually downloads it. i dont know would be using a modem these days except those only on for a few minutes a week. just two years ago i was in a place where there was no cable no dsl; only dialup... and only 19200 kbps at that. yes the world is changing but there are still plenty of places where the phone companies and cable companies find too low density to bother with. networks are getting faster true enough. nntp is still nntp though and posting 8-bit data to 7-bit protocols is still inefficient not to mention stupid. posting binaries to non-binary groups is abuse no matter how much you try to rationalize it. .
From : roy
in 444672ec$0$14957$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 102726 -0700 geekboy wrote in 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 net nanny crap removed goodbye. thankfully. now we can continue. roy .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
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From : geekboy
in 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 072824 -0700 geekboy wrote hey no problem. times are changing. a lot of those rules were from the modem using days. clicking on the wrong message could tie your modem up for a while. just to clarify usenet is a distributed network. every time you post anything its stored on tens of thousands of servers around the world... and must therefore use many thousands of times the bandwidth of your single post regardless of whether anyone clicks on it or not. so its not the bandwidth of downloading to individual desktop machines but the overhead bandwidth and storage that ires admins especially if theyve got the text groups on an 80gb drive and people start posting dvds there. at the prices of storage these days you can now get 1tb of storage from ide drives for a few hundred. some servers limit retention time of a group by the the number of mb in a group so when you post a single binary you knock off 100 text messages from the backend of those servers. some admins will actually drop a group if it starts becoming abused with too many binaries. by posting binaries you could actually be the cause of someone not getting your favorite group anymore. that what google groups are for. they do not accept binaries on their servers and have posts since the begining. additionally nntp is a 7-bit protocol. that means a 100k graphic must be encoded to 7-bit which means that the data transmitted and stored is really 140k. put graphics on a web server. then a 100k graphic only takes 101k of bandwidth to download... only the number of times someone actually downloads it. i dont know would be using a modem these days except those only on for a few minutes a week. just two years ago i was in a place where there was no cable no dsl; only dialup... and only 19200 kbps at that. yes the world is changing but there are still plenty of places where the phone companies and cable companies find too low density to bother with. that is where sattelite comes in. the equipment if less than $400 now and service of down to $59 a month. networks are getting faster true enough. nntp is still nntp though and posting 8-bit data to 7-bit protocols is still inefficient not to mention stupid. posting binaries to non-binary groups is abuse no matter how much you try to rationalize it. .
From : news admin
in 444672ec$0$14957$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 102726 -0700 geekboy wrote in 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on wed 19 apr 2006 072824 -0700 geekboy wrote hey no problem. times are changing. a lot of those rules were from the modem using days. clicking on the wrong message could tie your modem up for a while. just to clarify usenet is a distributed network. every time you post anything its stored on tens of thousands of servers around the world... and must therefore use many thousands of times the bandwidth of your single post regardless of whether anyone clicks on it or not. so its not the bandwidth of downloading to individual desktop machines but the overhead bandwidth and storage that ires admins especially if theyve got the text groups on an 80gb drive and people start posting dvds there. at the prices of storage these days you can now get 1tb of storage from ide drives for a few hundred. so you missed the point. why am i not surprised. some servers limit retention time of a group by the the number of mb in a group so when you post a single binary you knock off 100 text messages from the backend of those servers. some admins will actually drop a group if it starts becoming abused with too many binaries. by posting binaries you could actually be the cause of someone not getting your favorite group anymore. that what google groups are for. they do not accept binaries on their servers how generous of you. force people who have been using and enjoying usenet for years and years to switch to the piece of shit google interface just so you can indulge yourself by posting binaries to text-only groups... when there are plenty of binary groups you could have posted and linked to not to mention all the free picture hosting sites out there. additionally nntp is a 7-bit protocol. that means a 100k graphic must be encoded to 7-bit which means that the data transmitted and stored is really 140k. put graphics on a web server. then a 100k graphic only takes 101k of bandwidth to download... only the number of times someone actually downloads it. i dont know would be using a modem these days except those only on for a few minutes a week. just two years ago i was in a place where there was no cable no dsl; only dialup... and only 19200 kbps at that. yes the world is changing but there are still plenty of places where the phone companies and cable companies find too low density to bother with. that is where sattelite comes in. the equipment if less than $400 now and service of down to $59 a month. how generous of you to consider walking in another mans shoes who a doesnt run microcrap b doesnt have $400 c has no clear view of the southern sky d would prefer to get text groups at 19200kbps than abusive binaries at 256mbps or whatever sat. comes in at e lives somewhere outside north america f pays for his internet connection by the kb rather than by the month and/or g uses a text-only reader so only sees binary attachments as uuencoded 7-bit text anyway. networks are getting faster true enough. nntp is still nntp though and posting 8-bit data to 7-bit protocols is still inefficient not to mention stupid. posting binaries to non-binary groups is abuse no matter how much you try to rationalize it. i reiterate my last statement. goodbye. .
From : budd cochran mrd150 preciscom spam net
my point have you never wished for a picture to help explain something i joined this group in 96 and since then weve had all kinds of pictures including a few porn posted here. now someone posted on-topic pictures to help understand / explain the problem and you quote chapter and verse. my point is; what the heck is your point if not to be net nanny -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams in 44465e61$0$14492$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com on wed 19 apr 2006 105729 -0600 budd cochran wrote path 01.roc.ny!-feed01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net!nntp.frontiernet.net!.glorb.com!feed-east.nntpserver.com!nntpserver.com!statler.nntpserver.com!be5.nntpserver.com!not-for-mail message-id 44465e61$0$14492$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com from budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom spam.net subject re dang it! engine light on. date wed 19 apr 2006 105729 -0600 references 44459383$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com bgi1g.6676$sq5.2554@read2..atl.earthlink.net 4445b7f2$0$24440$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com jxj1g.6683$sq5.1993@read2..atl.earthlink.net 444623bc$0$14415$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com 44464817$0$24465$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com slrne4cp2g.14dp.admin@-server.invalid lines 91 organization hdsc x-priority 3 x-msmail-priority normal x-reader microsoft outlook express 6.00.2900.2869 x-mimeole produced by microsoft mimeole v6.00.2900.2869 x-rfc2646 format=flowed; original nntp-posting-date 19 apr 2006 155930 gmt x-complaints-to abuse@nntpserver.com x-received-date wed 19 apr 2006 165729 utc 01.roc.ny your point *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .
From : tom lawrence
that is what 4 or 5 times off thanks three... on-off-on-off-on. .
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in 44469a56$0$14510$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com on wed 19 apr 2006 151318 -0600 budd cochran wrote my point have you never wished for a picture to help explain something sure. now someone posted on-topic pictures to help understand / explain the problem and you quote chapter and verse. my point is; what the heck is your point if not to be net nanny my point is this if youre going to post pictures to usenet then at least post to an appropriate group. i have this problem... the photos are over on alt.binaries.automobile. i have this problem... hey lookie what i got... see subject new - 1941-packard-120-conv-sedan-fvl.jpg 1/1 on alt.binaries.automobile.pictures its not like there arent enough to choose from! $ grep auto groupinfo | grep binaries alt.autos.binaries 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autographs 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile.pictures 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows.babes 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autos.performance-cars 1 1 1136584032 alt.binaries.games.grand-theft-auto 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.multimedia.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.oldtimers 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autographs 1 1 1133274135 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.simulators.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.warez.autocad 1 1 0 bih.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 1132165329 -x- hr.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 0 .
From : geekboy
in 44469a56$0$14510$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com on wed 19 apr 2006 151318 -0600 budd cochran wrote my point have you never wished for a picture to help explain something sure. now someone posted on-topic pictures to help understand / explain the problem and you quote chapter and verse. my point is; what the heck is your point if not to be net nanny my point is this if youre going to post pictures to usenet then at least post to an appropriate group. i have this problem... the photos are over on alt.binaries.automobile. then take your problem elsewhere and leav us alone. i have this problem... hey lookie what i got... see subject new - 1941-packard-120-conv-sedan-fvl.jpg 1/1 on alt.binaries.automobile.pictures its not like there arent enough to choose from! $ grep auto groupinfo | grep binaries alt.autos.binaries 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autographs 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile.pictures 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows.babes 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autos.performance-cars 1 1 1136584032 alt.binaries.games.grand-theft-auto 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.multimedia.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.oldtimers 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autographs 1 1 1133274135 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.simulators.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.warez.autocad 1 1 0 bih.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 1132165329 -x- hr.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 0 .
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all youve proven is what a hemorrhoid you can be. -- budd cochran john 316-17 ephesians 28-9 our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate for the government of any other. john adams in 44469a56$0$14510$6d36acad@titian.nntpserver.com on wed 19 apr 2006 151318 -0600 budd cochran wrote my point have you never wished for a picture to help explain something sure. now someone posted on-topic pictures to help understand / explain the problem and you quote chapter and verse. my point is; what the heck is your point if not to be net nanny my point is this if youre going to post pictures to usenet then at least post to an appropriate group. i have this problem... the photos are over on alt.binaries.automobile. i have this problem... hey lookie what i got... see subject new - 1941-packard-120-conv-sedan-fvl.jpg 1/1 on alt.binaries.automobile.pictures its not like there arent enough to choose from! $ grep auto groupinfo | grep binaries alt.autos.binaries 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autographs 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobile.pictures 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles 1 1 0 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.automobiles.carshows.babes 1 1 0 alt.binaries.autos.performance-cars 1 1 1136584032 alt.binaries.games.grand-theft-auto 1 1 1135885628 alt.binaries.multimedia.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.automobile 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.4x4 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.autos.oldtimers 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.auto 1 1 0 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autographs 1 1 1133274135 alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.simulators.autos 1 1 0 alt.binaries.warez.autocad 1 1 0 bih.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 1132165329 -x- hr.rec.automobili.binaries 1 1 0 *** posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com *** .