Cummins Oil Filter Question
From : iron mike
Q: i recently purchased a 2003 ram 2500 crew cab with the 5.9 liter so cummins turbo diesel. according to the owners manual only a high quality mopar filter should be used to assure most efficient service. they go on to say how aftermarket filters may plug the piston cooling nozzles from filters disintegrating. i called the dealer and the oil filters list for $17.02. secondly what is your opinion on engine oil brands viscosities and change intervals i have no experience with synthetics and that could get a little pricey at 12 quarts per oil change. i live in wisconsin so it does drop below 0 f in the winter. according to the owners manual i can use 15w-40 for above 0 f or 5w-40 for the whole temperature range. the stores ive looked at only carry the 15w-40. i work only 3 miles from home and bought the truck primarily for pulling my 27 travel trailer during the summer months. according to the owners manual i fall into the b schedule and should change it every 3750 miles. ive seen other posts where people extend those intervals but of course i dont want to do any damage to my vehicle or void the warranty. thanks in advance for your help. iron mike .
Replies:
From : tom lawrence
in this case i think the tsb may still be applicable. the tsb was written in 01 so it could only extend to current my vehicles. many filter manufacturers are still using neoprene in their filters and the potential oh ok... i missed that part. i thought it was being posted for the part numbers on the filters serves me right for not reading the whole bulletin .
From : tom lawrence
1989 - 1993 ad ram truck 1994 - 2001 br/be ram truck note this bulletin involves 1989 - 2001 my 2500 and 3500 ram trucks equipped with the 5.9l cummins diesel engine. does not apply - the original poster has a 2003 .
From : fmb
http//www.chevron.com/prodserv/nafl/auto/content/motoroils.shtm#delo fmb only one b in fmb i recently purchased a 2003 ram 2500 crew cab with the 5.9 liter so cummins turbo diesel. according to the owners manual only a high quality mopar filter should be used to assure most efficient service. they go on to say how aftermarket filters may plug the piston cooling nozzles from filters disintegrating. i called the dealer and the oil filters list for $17.02. secondly what is your opinion on engine oil brands viscosities and change intervals i have no experience with synthetics and that could get a little pricey at 12 quarts per oil change. i live in wisconsin so it does drop below 0 f in the winter. according to the owners manual i can use 15w-40 for above 0 f or 5w-40 for the whole temperature range. the stores ive looked at only carry the 15w-40. i work only 3 miles from home and bought the truck primarily for pulling my 27 travel trailer during the summer months. according to the owners manual i fall into the b schedule and should change it every 3750 miles. ive seen other posts where people extend those intervals but of course i dont want to do any damage to my vehicle or void the warranty. thanks in advance for your help. iron mike .
From : tom lawrence
disintegrating. i called the dealer and the oil filters list for $17.02. http//www.genosgarage.com order your oil filters fleetguard stratapore and fuel filters from there. oil filters are $8.95 fuel filters are $12.95. cummins recommends fleetguard filters - mopar filters are fleetguard filters painted gray. and if you really want sticker shock ask the dealer what they sell a fuel filter for then ask them how much to change it. secondly what is your opinion on engine oil brands viscosities and change intervals exactly what your owners manual calls for. do not even think about synthetic oil until 10000 miles - to allow for proper break-in. oil and oil filter should be changed every 7500 miles. make sure whatever oil you use meets the ci-4 spec. both valvoline premium blue and shell rotella-t comply among others. fuel filter should be changed anywhere between 7500 and 15000 miles depending on the quality of the fuel you get and how dirty the filter looks. mine was almost solid black in less then 10000 miles. drop below 0 f in the winter. according to the owners manual i can use 15w-40 for above 0 f or 5w-40 for the whole temperature range. the stores ive looked at only carry the 15w-40. i work only 3 miles from home and bought the truck primarily for pulling my 27 travel trailer during the summer months. according to the owners manual i fall into the b schedule and should change it every 3750 miles. no - thats only for the california trucks. check out the footnotes. you have the 250hp so engine not the 235hp. the shortened interval has nothing to do with engine life and everything to do with emissions the oil doesnt suck up as much soot as it gets older therefore more soot finds its way out the tailpipe. 3 miles is a pretty short commute. definately use the block heater. if you have the 5spd manual transmission id look into an exhaust brake both for helping to slow the tt and to provide a quicker warm-up for the engine. id also try and get a good run of at least 50 miles or so in once a week if possible. if not i might be tempted to push up the oil change intervals to 5000 miles - the short trips build up moisture in the oil that would otherwise be burned off. .
From : the sweeneys
number 09-004-01 group engine date may 18 2001 subject engine lubrication models 1989 - 1993 ad ram truck 1994 - 2001 br/be ram truck note this bulletin involves 1989 - 2001 my 2500 and 3500 ram trucks equipped with the 5.9l cummins diesel engine. discussion customer may complain of high oil consumption grey oil smoke coming out of the exhaust or breather tube or mechanical knocking. neoprene compounds used internally in the manufacture of oil filters not recommended by daimlerchrysler may separate from the filter lodge in the piston cooling nozzle and can fail the engine. note this is not an engine defect. see the table below for a list of oil filters recommended by daimlerchrysler for use with the 5.9l cummins diesel engine. note section 2.7 of the truck warranty manual states daimlerchrysler motors corporation is not responsible for failures resulting from improper repair or the use of parts which are not genuine daimlerchrysler motors corporation / mopar or diamlerchrysler motors corporation / mopar approved parts. damages caused by the use of oil filters not approved by daimlerchrysler may not be covered by the new vehicle warranty. daimlerchrysler recommends the following oil filters. do not use any oil filter containing neoprene. please share this with your customers. recommended oil filters for use with cummins 5.9l diesel engine part no. manufactuer 05016547ac mopar lf3894 fleetguard stratopore lf3552 fleetguard microglas .
From : mike simmons
tom in this case i think the tsb may still be applicable. the tsb was written in 01 so it could only extend to current my vehicles. many filter manufacturers are still using neoprene in their filters and the potential for clogging could still occur in subsequent mys however for what ever reason oversight maybe! chryco has not updated the tsb. mike 1989 - 1993 ad ram truck 1994 - 2001 br/be ram truck note this bulletin involves 1989 - 2001 my 2500 and 3500 ram trucks equipped with the 5.9l cummins diesel engine. does not apply - the original poster has a 2003 .
From : jerry
mike simmons wrote chryco has not updated the tsb. seems i recall seeing a updated list put out somewhere and the mopar filter number changed once or twice. nevertheless cant go wrong sticking with fleetguard. saw where walmart has added castrol 15-40 oil to their line up that meets specs for cummins. jerry .
From : yonzie
hv1qb.659$z25.485@read4..pas.earthlink.net john mooney jamooney44@earthlink.net wrote what tom said except that your engine may not be broken in until 20k miles because of light usage so refrain from the synthetic oil until then. also since it sounds like you intend to change oil yourself be sure to fill the new oil filter with new oil before installing it. finally genos is a good place to get your air filters as well although at present they only have the mopar ones. why fill the oil filter with oil i dont think the mechanics do it. when i install new oil filters usually fill them about 3/4 full wondering if its worth doing this dale .
From : jwlbal
the info from tom and mike is all good but ill add one thing... join the turbo diesel register and you gain access to the largest collection of knowledge and opinions on the cummins. http//www.turbodieselregister.com/ john soon to be ctd owner i recently purchased a 2003 ram 2500 crew cab with the 5.9 liter so cummins turbo diesel. according to the owners manual only a high quality mopar filter should be used to assure most efficient service. they go on to say how aftermarket filters may plug the piston cooling nozzles from filters disintegrating. i called the dealer and the oil filters list for $17.02. secondly what is your opinion on engine oil brands viscosities and change intervals i have no experience with synthetics and that could get a little pricey at 12 quarts per oil change. i live in wisconsin so it does drop below 0 f in the winter. according to the owners manual i can use 15w-40 for above 0 f or 5w-40 for the whole temperature range. the stores ive looked at only carry the 15w-40. i work only 3 miles from home and bought the truck primarily for pulling my 27 travel trailer during the summer months. according to the owners manual i fall into the b schedule and should change it every 3750 miles. ive seen other posts where people extend those intervals but of course i dont want to do any damage to my vehicle or void the warranty. thanks in advance for your help. iron mike .
From : yonzie
jlrice@earthlink.net wrote mike simmons wrote chryco has not updated the tsb. seems i recall seeing a updated list put out somewhere and the mopar filter number changed once or twice. nevertheless cant go wrong sticking with fleetguard. saw where walmart has added castrol 15-40 oil to their line up that meets specs for cummins. jerry i was getting john deere oil filters for my 2001 diesel they were made by fleetguard and were somewhat cheaper in price. john deere makes an excellent 15-40 oil .
From : tbone
until the filter fills with oil you have no oil pressure. pre-filling the filter reduces this time and helps to prevent the bearings from dry-running. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving hv1qb.659$z25.485@read4..pas.earthlink.net john mooney jamooney44@earthlink.net wrote what tom said except that your engine may not be broken in until 20k miles because of light usage so refrain from the synthetic oil until then. also since it sounds like you intend to change oil yourself be sure to fill the new oil filter with new oil before installing it. finally genos is a good place to get your air filters as well although at present they only have the mopar ones. why fill the oil filter with oil i dont think the mechanics do it. when i install new oil filters usually fill them about 3/4 full wondering if its worth doing this dale .
From : tom lawrence
why fill the oil filter with oil i dont think the mechanics do it. because they work on a clock and its not their vehicle. the oil filter for the cummins holds a full quart of oil. until it gets filled you have no oil pressure. not really the best thing for the engine. granted its not catastrophic but over the years it will make a difference. when i install new oil filters usually fill them about 3/4 full wondering if its worth doing this it is. i dont fill mine all the way to the top because invariably ill spill it. i fill it to about an inch from the top all the while hoping and praying my fingers dont slip and i dont dump a quart of fresh oil on my head. so far so good... .
From : tom lawrence
but just maybe there is a diesel owner that does not have a 2003 and has a nagging question about oil filter considerations and the heading of this thread cummins oil filter question not year specific might just peak his interest. makes sense... i just didnt want the o.p. taking the part numbers from that tsb and using them on his truck. .
From : redneck tookover hell
speaking of that all of the old big block mopar engines 350 361 383 400 426 & 440 had the oil pump mounted externally with the oil filter mounted horizontally so that you could not put any oil in the filter prior to installation. it also resulted in the k member being well lubricated when you removed the old filter at oil change time some of the 340 high performance engines also came with an adapter that mounted the oil filter horizontally with the same problem.of not being able to fill it prior to installation. those mopar engines all had a reputation for being practically bulletproof yet the bearings all ran dry according to some experts posts you will also notice that all of the fuel engines and the alcohol dragster and funny car engines have their fram hp filter mounted upside down. now the fuel engines only run for a couple minutes max before being tore down and rebuilt however none of those guys wants the bearings etc all over the track either. the alky guys change oil after each pass but dont go into the engine. they also are spun over 10000 rpm on each pass. i think a case can be made either way. if it makes you feel warm & fuzzy inside do it. otherwise no big deal why fill the oil filter with oil i dont think the mechanics do it. because they work on a clock and its not their vehicle. the oil filter for the cummins holds a full quart of oil. until it gets filled you have no oil pressure. not really the best thing for the engine. granted its not catastrophic but over the years it will make a difference. ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .
From : redneck tookover hell
pique might just peak his interest. ill start watching reality tv shows when i can vote people off the planet. .
From : yonzie
fatchance@noway.now wrote until the filter fills with oil you have no oil pressure. pre-filling the filter reduces this time and helps to prevent the bearings from dry-running. guess i keep doing what im doing .
From : horizon athe sweeneys
open up the wiring harness that runs along the drivers side fender near the battery. inside this bundle you will find two red wires that are soldered to a single red wire. this solder connection corrodes and becomes intermittent. the red wire goes to the computer and when the circuit is broken the computer shuts down the fuel pump and all spark to the engine. it took me a long time to find this on my 93 dakota. when i opened up the wiring harness the red wires were barely touching and green from corrosion. check it out and let me know. john .
From : the sweeneys
correct but just maybe there is a diesel owner that does not have a 2003 and has a nagging question about oil filter considerations and the heading of this thread cummins oil filter question not year specific might just peak his interest. in the middle of the tsb--diamlerchrysler request that this information be made available to all their customers--just trying to put a little information from a good source out for the general population of this forum. 1989 - 1993 ad ram truck 1994 - 2001 br/be ram truck note this bulletin involves 1989 - 2001 my 2500 and 3500 ram trucks equipped with the 5.9l cummins diesel engine. does not apply - the original poster has a 2003 .
From : samadamstom lawrence
not losing any coolant at all. the heating and cooling is working properly all except for the unpleasant smell pollen coming out. are you losing coolant -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving does anyone know if the 1999 ram 1500 has a passenger compartment filter i keep getting a heavy sweet smell from the heating and air-conditioning as well as a yellowish dusty powder blowing out when on high. i believe it is from a heavy pollen problem we had during the summer. any help or advice is welcome. ac .
From : cbhvacyonzie
how much was it and where do you live and my infiniti works great in my qc.on fri 07 nov 2003 043509 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net 0$ since its one fresh off the old mans lot....sticker reads $39546 as equipped and central nc. however as i said..i might just keep this one...been a while since i hit the old man up for a new freebie. i was thinkin about asking for 3 new sprinters for cost...but i dunno.. btw the infinity systems in the factory setups have always been above most but below a real setup. and pics will come as i get a few moments..prob this weekend. wrote congrats on the new wheels. you dont have to wait though for more miles. the infinity will continue to be a bit lacking will never be above sluggish no matter what they told you about an adaptive learning curve. ^ fmb only one b in fmb ps and yes post pics. just got home with a new hemi durango...gonna play with it a day or so and see what i think...so far...so good..sure beats the old ones.. the radio infinity seems to be lacking...but thats typical..and of course its only got about 45 miles on it so it has not started the adaptive learning curve yet..so its still a tad sluggish... the heated leather seats seem to be better than leather of old.. the headlamps are much improved.. and i have been asked now 3 times when the ramcharger got re-introduced..... and i really dig the new cluster..easy as hell to read...i might just end up keeping this one.. .
From : yonzie
gtrqb.12473$oo4.8538@read1..atl.earthlink.net tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote why fill the oil filter with oil i dont think the mechanics do it. because they work on a clock and its not their vehicle. the oil filter for the cummins holds a full quart of oil. until it gets filled you have no oil pressure. not really the best thing for the engine. granted its not catastrophic but over the years it will make a difference. when i install new oil filters usually fill them about 3/4 full wondering if its worth doing this it is. i dont fill mine all the way to the top because invariably ill spill it. i fill it to about an inch from the top all the while hoping and praying my fingers dont slip and i dont dump a quart of fresh oil on my head. so far so good... i have a piece of drill stem pipe the threaded end about 5 long was a piece cut off when they use to install 12 foot satellite dishes. i use this pipe to hold my new oil filter upright drop the filter inside and you can fill your filter up with oil. especially great when your using 10 liter jugs of oil use two hands to pour the oil instead of trying to hold the filter also. i have some filters that are quite long for the combine jd tractors and grain truck 466 international diesel tandem easy hold a couple liters each. dale .
From : iron mike
john difilippo jr. wrote hello all i have a 1999 durango 5.9 slt. it started making a humming/whining noise from the rear of the vehicle this week. it almost sounds like i have oversided tires on it. could this be the rear diff giving way or a problem with the tires. does not handle any different just makes a noise. thanks in advance john its the bearings in the rear. dodge is famous for that. take it to the right shop not the dealer and get them replaced. -- ..bob 97 h-d fxdwg - turbocharged!! 01 dakota quad sport 5.9/auto/4x4 83 gmc jimmy beater 66 427sc cobra replica - project 66 mustang coupe - daily driver -----= posted via feeds.com uncensored usenet =----- http//www.feeds.com - the #1 group service in the world! -----== over 100000 groups - 19 different servers! =----- .
From : mike simmons
egr valve air control valve/idle control o2 sensor come to mind as possibilitiestemp. related 3.0 liter changed plugs normal color wires cap & rotor needed to have it done anyway it runs very rough no blue or black smoke until car has gone 15-20 miles. it evens out after its been run for 10-15 minutes makeno difference if its in-town driving or freeway. we can let it idle for 20 minutes and it will run fine as well after that.... map sensor im looking for ideas here... thanks .
From : weissererwrnch61iron mike
a bad or weak spark wires will snapor tick when spark arcs against a ground i had a set of spark wires go bad only a year after installing them. operate the engine in the dark no lights anywhere around you may see sparks comming from the cables. i once found a bad cable by accident while chkg for a vaccuum leak with wd-40..the spark ignited the wd-40..hope this helps friends i have a 1996 ram pu 1500 4x4 v8 5.9l with only about 57000 miles. when i start the engine and while shes at idle there is intermittently a loud tick or snap from the engine. it seems to happen more when the outside air temperature is cold although when the engine warms she still does it. i do not hear it when im driving even with the radio off. if you sit quietly at a stop light with the window open and radio off you can hear it. there may be several quiet snaps/ticks; then maybe a loud one; followed by some quiet time ; then more; etc. i really cant seem to come up with any type of rhythm except that it seems to do it more when the outside air is cold but can also do it in the summertime. i dont think it has anything to do with expasion as the engine heats. is engine knock or ping if so what should i do about it if not what might it be thanks. steve .
From : iron mike
thanks. i was misreading the manual. mike thanks for all of the help i recd some great tips. i do need clarification on the following according to my manual for my 2003 ram im suppose to use the b 3750 mile oil change interval service if one or more of the following apply day or night temps are below 32 f stop and go driving extensive idling drive in dusty conditions short trips less than 10 miles trailer towing or more than 50% of your driving is at sustained high speeds during hot weather. it says that most people will fall under this b service. this is for the so engine 250 hp not the 235 hp california emissions version. iron mike the b schedule calls for oil changes every 7500 miles unless you have a ca vehicle..... read the footnotes carefully! mike but just maybe there is a diesel owner that does not have a 2003 and has a nagging question about oil filter considerations and the heading of this thread cummins oil filter question not year specific might just peak his interest. makes sense... i just didnt want the o.p. taking the part numbers from that tsb and using them on his truck. .