Cummins Engine Life
From : jim hall
Q: budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. when did you change your name to they read chriss post that you responded to. so i mentioned the names of those that have most aggressively attacked my beliefs politics etc. if you didnt want that to happen you shoulds kept out of the discussion. how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. you as much as anyone has told me to shut up as you will again in a couple lines. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. thats the problem roy its not new found but rather fully engaged chrisitanity. ive been born again since 1977.i just decided to let go and let god. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! bwahahaha!!!!!! if standing up like a man meant being a bigoted idiotic liberal like yourself im fine thanks. ah more name calling and labeling. how very christian of you. and what names have you used to refer to me i merely state an observation based on what you write. why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. actually we do discuss you and others not by name t-bone and your postings direct towards me and he agrees you clowns are disciminating against christians. no your postings. show them to your pastor. if he feels we are discriminating then he is troubled as you are. no need. like i said weve discussed it and he sees the same stuff as i do. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time or that the christian should always back down. but we too have had the discussion about foolish and fruitless arguements and what the bible has to say about them. defending ones beliefs is never foolish. still ive not seen them tell each other to back off just me. now who attacked your beliefs in this thread prior to this post did i say any one did my but youre quick to jump on my case . . . and for no reason. i said that anymore if i post anything that doesnt agree with the liberals the unions et al then i get jumped on for it. face the facts like a man yourself roy. all i said to chris is that defending your beliefs is never wrong and it is never wrong. you are spinning. no you are denying the truth. and i also said that you have never told t-bone or theguy to back off theyve never told you to either but you all have told me to shut up at least once. do you think that there may be a reason for it yes but first you have to realize you are bigots. are we to hide it under a bushel to keep from offending those that hate christ jesus said i come to bring a sword. and to set brother against brother. as for them if they believe as christians do t
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From : nosey
homer wrote one of my grease boots was busted by debris and my mechanic tells me that the only thing he can do is replace the tie rods to fix it. is he right pretty expensive for a busted rubber. no pun intended!! if its a small hole you could try using a bycicle inner-tube patch. the hardest part would be getting all of the grease off of the repair area. if it doesnt work you are only out $2 and a little time. -- ken .
From : tom lawrence
on sat 6 jan 2007 144438 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 211041 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote on fri 5 jan 2007 121224 -0700 budd cochran mr-d150@preciscom.net wrote oh gee whiz golly wow . . .i didnt see the invisible ot-budd not allowed to respond statement in this thread. oh i committed a horrible sin of posting a reply to a post by the great roy in an unmoderated group!!!! not at all but you know where this will lead. where will you take it roy probably to the point where you fly into another meltdown. im not at all afraid to accept responsability for my actions. i figure it is about time for you to start the victim bs i am a victim of your secular rants and bigotries. budd honestly you are the victim of mental illness. nothing more and nothing less. still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. budd well...............oh hell forget it. cmon that was tooooo easy! hell im a proctologist when i deal with him.g. but..........budd is the ultimate masochist. he only came back to live out his dreams of being a christian martyr in the liberal christian bashing world. you only do him favor by saying anything. i think he has christian wet dreams at night while reading the responses to his comments. budd is not a well person. his bulb shines a little dimly. you know what i mean .
From : roy
only the left denies the truth. the truth and i suppose you have insight into the real truth enlighten us. the truth is the truth; its supported fact not theory or conjecture and it is not opinions given as aka as truth. i see youre speaking to me again . . .my loss im sure. budd never stopped. yep it would be my loss considering what youve said to me not long ago so i will not waste time with you. budd ah the liberal un peacekeepers in inaction again . . . the un sent peacekeepers who promptly looked away took bribes and generally did nothing and you are surprised maybe you should try fox they reported this moths ago. budd as did the liberal pbs and the rest of the liberal press. its ironic that the right wingers who continually badmouth the u.n. are the same ones who cite saddams disregard for u.n. resolutions as a reason for invading iraq. in fact the u.n. resolution issue is about the only reason the bushinistas have left to support the invasion. -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : tom lawrence
nope dont need it. the bible is the only authority required to give me or any christian the permission preach or teach from it. its the great commission matthew 2819 mark 1615 luke 24 47 john 21 15-17 that christ gave to all believers. budd still waiting for you to prove you have a license to practice medicine or psychiatry until then you dont amount to squat. and of course you have a degree in theology yes -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : chris thompson
snoman wrote edwards is not a bad guy but he does not have a snowballs chance in h of winning a general election as president. he is a bad guy. he bankrupt many people with bogus medical claims that have never been substantiated and held up by the medical industry all to line his pockets with. .
From : mike simmons
big snip how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs im sorry but i dont see how telling you that you are what you accuse others of being warrants such a reaction. calling a pig a pig is not name calling. calling a pig insert preferred profanity is. oh so only profanity is name calling no but for you it is the norm. so we use different terminolgy a name is a name. another big snip you truly dont want any help do you nope no need. i have the bible i have several bible study sites many have been listed here and a fine pastor that teaches the word as it is written. this i missed. so you feel that your behavior is the norm and another big snip obviously it still hasnt hit you that you could be wrong. and either the bible is true or it is a pack of lies. from your catholic training you know that most of the disciples were martyred for their faith . . . would you lay your head on the block for jesus i would. one reason roy that i believe as i do is that christians are called to be different from the world to follow one that healed the sick raised the dead walked on water and created the universe. budd nobody is disputing your beliefs.nobody cares. the deal is that you turn every thread your in ito biblle thumping. we have been over this againand again. months ago when you started this crap. the one question that comes to mind is why all of a sudden do you feel the need to i believe you said that 1977 you found gosd. you posted here for a long time before you went to this. why did you change so you dont want to that is your choice. i choose to. do it quickly will yag is thirty years ago quick enough the problem today lies in that ive decided to turn my whole life over to god and you dont like it. budd i dont care. hopefully you turn what brain you have to science so they can figure out what went south. pay attention now. note these 2 threads that you have posted in have become about what let me help ya here. your relgious beliefs!!!!!!!!!!! this thread only alluded to religion until you began your thing. you are in denial. the other thread you began with an all out attack simply because i chose to respond to it how it went from there is as much your fault as mine. now i certainly didnt introduce it. who did you did by your attacks which always come back to you calling me a person playing the victim stop there! where does victim have a thing to do with your beliefs it dont! you make that statement every chance you get. its your number one insult directed to me. and me telling you that i am whom i am and that includes my beliefs. so it was you who brought up your beliefs! thats what ive been telling you! ya dont want to hear it shut up and accept the changes. i aint going back. now go rest your shoulder. started pt yesterday no resting it. just a lot of ice. i really do hope it gets better roy though i doubt you believe me. they say about 3 months for total recovery. why would i not believe youg lol roy youd have to admit i exist as a worthy person as a person of compassion a person that is completely opposite to your expressed opinion of me. that isnt true. even though that may be how you see yourself. a person who believes in compssion doesnt run around calling all who disagree with him bigots hypocrits and whatever. like you i form my opinion by what people write here. you write your own press release then think they are true. budd -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .
From : aarcuda69062
but it is possible. just not in your instant overnight bs. dude youre a fucking idiot. i know the cost and i know the technology. no you do not. your phd is worthless. you do not know every industry and their manufacturing processes and expenses. not even close. i know my industry far better than you. nice try. tough shit. its a cost of doing business. that pays for jobs. you and your company should never have had the right in the first place to pollute the air and water with lead. suck it up. while thats true thats not what the industry has done over the many decades. you cant instantly change it without dramatically killing the economy despite your rhetoric. i didnt ask for overnight. yes you did. see above when you said yes ... i can. when i said it cant tomorrow. bush has been in office for 6 years. you likely havent done jack shit since he took office because theres no incintive or goal to hit. just whenever you feel like it. another baseless rant of yours. my company is spending considerable $s to adapt to new cleaner technologies. but it takes time. the industry we deal with is doing the same. youre fucking clueless. read a book ... one not written by the bush administration. pollution levels are spiked across the board. la could be worse but the state has stepped in a trumped the federal voucher bs. you have no clue! bush didnt do a thing about los angeles but the republican in california did. davis almost fed it all up. pollution in los angeles has dropped. look up rather than just rant your personal views. nope ... wrong again. even if that were true which it most certainly is not particulate matter is the smallest of the air pollutants. nox and cox are the biggest polluters from passenger vehicles. define pollution. particulates are a huge factor in many crowded cities. they are a major problem. just because the epa laws dont check for them much does not mean they arent a problem. that set aside you conveniently ignored the rest of the sentence. this discussion is not about cars its about industry. you are trying to divert attention away from that subject because you are fucking clueless. with regards to air pollution cars are by far the biggest contributor. nationwide theres nothing else even close despite your ive got a phd rhetoric. .
From : tom lawrence
lol wish i could add to it. but im drawing a blank. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. hmmm how bout you find the knock sensor on a 8.0l 488 cid truck engine first before you give out any more wrong information in this group ya know... i was going to do a top 10 list for snow-jobs screwups over the past year on new years eve but decided it would have been too hacky plus i could only come up with 8... but since you kind of brought it up heres my list 1. dodge v10s can retard ignition timing based on knocking 2. 3rd gen 1500s use a gm 8.25 front differential 3. ctd/hemi use different standard axle ratios 4. dodge never put a cat-con on a ctd and wont until 2008 5. diesels cost more per mile to operate than big gassers 6. hemi rams use vacuum for the cruise control 7. 4xre front pump bolts should torque to 100ft.lbs. 8. 2nd/3rd gen 4x4 rams should have their front wheel bearings torn down and re-greased every 100k .
From : roy
roy i know what hes been doing. i just wanted to throw that reminder out so that any other poor sole wont be baited with misinformation. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. hmmm how bout you find the knock sensor on a 8.0l 488 cid truck engine first before you give out any more wrong information in this group chris hes been all over the place doing the same thing. he was just run out of a chevy group for making foolish statements. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. on fri 5 jan 2007 005208 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote how long should these engines be expected to last given fairly regular oil changes and maintenance it runs ok but seems to be pumping out oil. somehow i expected the diesel to last longer but i may have been expecting too much. it is pumping out oil from excessive blowby pressurizing crank case. no trick is going to fix this short of maybe a ring job. you should be able to find someone to rering it and change bearing for a lot less than 12k. also gas or diesel when oil consumption increases changing oil often can help because clean oil seals cylinders better than dirty oil. one more thing if you are chipping or boosting it remove this and it will reduce blow by and give you more time. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : chris thompson
budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. when did you change your name to they read chriss post that you responded to. so i mentioned the names of those that have most aggressively attacked my beliefs politics etc. if you didnt want that to happen you shoulds kept out of the discussion. how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs im sorry but i dont see how telling you that you are what you accuse others of being warrants such a reaction. calling a pig a pig is not name calling. calling a pig insert preferred profanity is. oh so only profanity is name calling no but for you it is the norm. no you dont get a free ride with any longer. tanstaafl. ive known that for years. you as much as anyone has told me to shut up as you will again in a couple lines. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. thats the problem roy its not new found but rather fully engaged chrisitanity. ive been born again since 1977.i just decided to let go and let god. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! bwahahaha!!!!!! if standing up like a man meant being a bigoted idiotic liberal like yourself im fine thanks. ah more name calling and labeling. how very christian of you. and what names have you used to refer to me i merely state an observation based on what you write. as do i. ah calling me a four letter name is an observation according to you yup especially as it fits. so you admit prefering an insulting name over one that would possibly give a touch of compassion to another human being why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. actually we do discuss you and others not by name t-bone and your postings direct towards me and he agrees you clowns are disciminating against christians. no your postings. show them to your pastor. if he feels we are discriminating then he is troubled as you are. no need. like i said weve discussed it and he sees the same stuff as i do. ah no need you say. why afraid he might find out how screwed up you really are rotflmbo!! it just goes to show to me that i am following my beliefs. you dont like it oh well it was a free country . . . you truly dont want any help do you nope no need. i have the bible i have several bible study sites many have been listed here and a fine pastor that teaches the word as it is written. dont worry im well past the stage of offering any. heck thats no revelation. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time
From : bigironram
hmmm how bout you find the knock sensor on a 8.0l 488 cid truck engine first before you give out any more wrong information in this group ya know... i was going to do a top 10 list for snow-jobs screwups over the past year on new years eve but decided it would have been too hacky plus i could only come up with 8... but since you kind of brought it up heres my list 1. dodge v10s can retard ignition timing based on knocking 2. 3rd gen 1500s use a gm 8.25 front differential 3. ctd/hemi use different standard axle ratios 4. dodge never put a cat-con on a ctd and wont until 2008 5. diesels cost more per mile to operate than big gassers 6. hemi rams use vacuum for the cruise control 7. 4xre front pump bolts should torque to 100ft.lbs. 8. 2nd/3rd gen 4x4 rams should have their front wheel bearings torn down and re-greased every 100k .
From : bigironram
hmmm how bout you find the knock sensor on a 8.0l 488 cid truck engine first before you give out any more wrong information in this group chris hes been all over the place doing the same thing. he was just run out of a chevy group for making foolish statements. roy ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. on fri 5 jan 2007 005208 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote how long should these engines be expected to last given fairly regular oil changes and maintenance it runs ok but seems to be pumping out oil. somehow i expected the diesel to last longer but i may have been expecting too much. it is pumping out oil from excessive blowby pressurizing crank case. no trick is going to fix this short of maybe a ring job. you should be able to find someone to rering it and change bearing for a lot less than 12k. also gas or diesel when oil consumption increases changing oil often can help because clean oil seals cylinders better than dirty oil. one more thing if you are chipping or boosting it remove this and it will reduce blow by and give you more time. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
From : chris thompson
how long should these engines be expected to last given fairly regular oil changes and maintenance jim hall 520 exc 950 lc8 adventure turning money into noise... the b50 number on the b series cummins is 350000 miles. that means half the engines could need serious repair before that mileage and half afterwards. yours may be a little under average. .
From : nosey
john t tknoflyer.no.spam@hotmail.com wrote in i do wish dc would add a mist feature to their windshield wipers. no it doesnt kill me or cause carpal tunnel syndrome to flick the wipers on/off but it seems every other make i drive has a mist feature and its disappointing dc doesnt. my 02 dak will spray and sweep wipers only a couple times if i push the lever in. doesnt yours ron .
From : john kunkel
on fri 5 jan 2007 005208 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote a 94 doesnt have a cat. well mine didnt anyway. they have never had cats only thermo reactions mistaken for cats. 02 or 03 was the first year for cats on the cummins. 04.5 i believe. fmb north mexico .
From : roy
roy wrote clamp g pshh ... fuck the clamp. gimme a gun so i can blow my brains out. heaven forbid that someone actually know more about *anything* than miles. 10 years of college and pursuit of a phd on this shit and he still demands that he and mr. bush have all of the answers. change the gender and he could be my ex-wife. - craig c. .
From : fmb
roy wrote steve you folks seen any snow out there yet. my youngest bought a house in melrose they got about 2 inches during moving day last sat. barely even a few flakes. did get a coating up at the dar state forest in goshen berkshire foothills. looked very pretty walking my dog through the woods. gonna be 65 tomorrow and the city plow guys are depressed somethin awful!!! smh .
From : budd cochran
roy wrote you have to be understanding with some of the group. they have woken up and found their leader to be wrong found themselves out of the main stream with public opinion some of their idols are chaseing young men others say one thing from the pulpit and shack up with their paid boyfriend. some are probably thinking if they caught him will they catch me it is a lot for some zealots to adjust to. im sure that with a little understanding and compassion some will come to terms with reality and move ahead. others well..... gbfg no zealotry there! oh no. steve you folks seen any snow out there yet. my youngest bought a house in melrose they got about 2 inches during moving day last sat. roy smh .
From : tom lawrence
miles wrote christ youre thick. for the umpteenth time a set of command and control laws with levels that cannot be violated. not vouchers to be traded! thats a plan wow you should run for office. yep its a plan. set limits/standards on what gets returned to the environment by industry. its that easy. the air and water taken in to process the product must be treated *better* than it is now. right now how well the air and water are treated depends on how many vouchers the company has. rediculous. we have the engineers. we have the technology. we need government support and enforcement. thats your plan of action wow really well thought out there. its not rocket science. the science to *clean* the pollution generated *already* exists ... we just dont use it. why because of greedy corporations that are in bushs back pocket. the cost minimal. but they have to have that extra $.03 per unit shipped ... so they pollute my air and my water in trade. clean it up ... nevermind the moral issue ... its a cost of doing business. and we should. were more advanced. btw our rules arent nearly as tight as the uk. they are way ahead of us. in fact most of western europe is ahead of us. we just now got low sulfer diesel. theyve had for years. they also have the kind of command and control laws that we need. they do not have across the board tougher pollution regulations. yes they do. been to london lately yes i have. 5 months ago where i studied there environmental procedures for waste water treatment and the dry cleaning industry. its still a sewer. the thames river while far better than it was 100 years ago is still polluted. its difficult to measure the air problems there as they simply export their pollution. similar to areas such as san francisco. no smog there but they sure produce it. you dont know what youre talking about. youre wasting my time here. tell you what ... drop your pride and go get educated. you will be surprised at how much of an idiot you really are about this subject. trouble is you do not have a plan at all. just a bunch of worthless rhetoric. were in agreement that we need a better plan. but i dont have a solution at the moment and neither do you. it isnt my place to present a plan. thats the duty of the epa the lawmakers and the president. now if they ask me for a plan ... i can come up with something detailed. for you nah ... youll just end up spouting some bs about how clinton didnt do insert rant here correctly. limits and standards. what those limits and standards are ... well lets just go back to what was in place before bush took office. then we can modify as needed. none did a thing. they all passed legislature that sounded good and got approval from people such as yourself. in the end it was all just more worthless bs. lawmakers are great at writing feel good laws to get your vote but doing something that actually works is quite another. thats the point you seem to continue to fail at. youre full of shit. i study these trends almost everyday. the air and water quality since bush took office has plummeted. the epa *could* do some good if they were given some power. but most republican dickheads insist that pollution isnt that big of a deal. and democrat assholes just want to throw money at it and be done with it. neither answer is sufficient. the answer is to set the limits and let the epa do what they were created to do. that was in answer to your claim that the usa doesnt do much for pollution. thats complete bull. go buy a car anywhere else in the world and see what smog controls it has on it compared to the usa. again i go back to western europe. cleaner burning vehicles and fuels. but dont limit this to just cars ... im talking about industry. nice try on derailing a discussion you nothing about however. kudos. craig c. .
From : snoman
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From : snoman
they have never had cats only thermo reactions mistaken for cats. the manufacturer seems to have a different opinion than you. heres a snippet from the service manual http//home.earthlink.net/tlawrence5/dieselcat.jpg if cummins says its a cat and daimler-chrysler says its a cat then its a cat... regardless of what you call it. .
From : roy
budd ill ask once and only once. its been asked before so dont worry about it. is it really beyond your ability to stay out of arguments i mean shoot youve been posting again for what a week and already you tbone and roy are into it err so to speak. all i have to do is express an opinion belief or attitude not in accordance to their rules and it starts. ah yes they started it. but do you have to finish it did they have to start it i dont believe it!!! you brought me into it. you had your last and it just wasnt good enough was it you are truly on sick person. when did you change your name to they read chriss post that you responded to. so i mentioned the names of those that have most aggressively attacked my beliefs politics etc. if you didnt want that to happen you shoulds kept out of the discussion. how many times have you used my name in a derogatory fashion roy how many four letter names have you called me you have no right to throw that first stone. the question should be was i wrong to call you a name after you accuse me of beig bigoted and other bs no you dont get a free ride with any longer. you as much as anyone has told me to shut up as you will again in a couple lines. like i said i did nothing no one else was doing i just didnt pat their backs and tell them everything wil be fine i guess it is impossible for them to let me be different. seriously dude if they annoy you like you say or they attack as you so im not going to get into the debate about what i see going on with anyone then why do you engage them in these arguments why not turn the other cheek where did he say christian he said you!! stop useing your new found belief s as a excuse for your phoney bullshit. thats the problem roy its not new found but rather fully engaged chrisitanity. ive been born again since 1977.i just decided to let go and let god. have some dignity and stand up like a man for gosh sakes! bwahahaha!!!!!! if standing up like a man meant being a bigoted idiotic liberal like yourself im fine thanks. ah more name calling and labeling. how very christian of you. and what names have you used to refer to me i merely state an observation based on what you write. as do i. why is it the christian always has to back off turn the other cheek hide in the corner and not say anything that rocks the liberal atheistic socialist leaky boat in this respect i have to be honest with you you sound just like them. my sincere hope is that you will seriously think about it. i have. and what you see is the result of that thought process prayers bible study more prayers discussions with my pastor retired marine chaplain perhaps in your discusssions you should invite your pastor to read what you have posted over the past month or so. perhaps then he will be able to advise you. but ya wont do that cause then he too will see ya for the phoney you are. actually we do discuss you and others not by name t-bone and your postings direct towards me and he agrees you clowns are disciminating against christians. no your postings. show them to your pastor. if he feels we are discriminating then he is troubled as you are. no need. like i said weve discussed it and he sees the same stuff as i do. ah no need you say. why afraid he might find out how screwed up you really are you truly dont want any help do you dont worry im well past the stage of offering any. i too am from scottish irish and indian decent. i know full well what temper comes with the blood line. excellent!!! then you understand the difficulties of not losing ones temper and for me that strength comes from god. . . .unless i screw up and refuse his help. again i ask you why does the christian have to back down all the time that is being discriminatory. my words opinions beliefs and attitudes are of no more nor no less value that theirs. i am not more valuable nor less valuable in my opinion than they are to society. hmmm im not saying you have to back down all the time or that the christian should always back down. but we too have had the discussion about foolish and fruitless arguements and what the bible has to say about them. defending ones beliefs is never foolish. still ive not seen them tell each other to back off just me. now who attacked your beliefs in this thread prior to this post did i say any one did my but youre quick to jump on my case . . . and for no reason. i said that anymore if i post anything that doesnt agree with the liberals the unions et al then i get jumped on for it. face the facts like a man yourself roy. all i said to chris is that defending your beliefs is never wrong and it is never wrong. you are spinning. no you are denying the truth. and i also said that you have never told t-bone or theguy to back off theyve never told you to either but you all have told me
From : john108
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