Cummins 5.9L diesel with biodiesel
From : Annonymous
Q: i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. .
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From : bigironram
i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert .
From : nosey
bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps -- ken .
From : roy
bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps -- ken i thought the same as ken regards the bio. werent most of the failures of the injection pump due to lack of cooling because of the failure of the lift pump roy .
From : rachel easson
roy wrote bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps -- ken i thought the same as ken regards the bio. werent most of the failures of the injection pump due to lack of cooling because of the failure of the lift pump roy this is a good link on the subject http//journeytoforever.org/biodiesellink.html yes roy i think you are right. in the link http//journeytoforever.org/biodieselsvo.html#1tank it says the secret is specially made injector nozzles increased injection pressure and stronger glow-plugs in addition to fuel pre-heating. and goes on to suggest three well tested systems from germany where theyve been doing this for years this site gives good brew-your-own biodiesel and grow-your-own vgo info. i had figured that if i were to try i would go with making my own ethanol and svo and using an older diesel engine -- say try it in a homemade generator first rach .
From : rachel easson
bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i second that -- even with a warranty on a 2007 i would rather some other guinea-pigs try it first no offense intended on a fabulous engine like that rach .
From : greg surratt
on 6 mar 2006 191454 -0800 silversnow@frontiernet.net wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. i forget whether it was michigan or minnesota that requires something like 20% biodiesel sales statewide and had to back down because of major problems reported by the trucking companies with clogged fuel filters. istr it was in the msn feeds a couple of days ago .
From : max dodge
i thought the same as ken regards the bio. werent most of the failures of the injection pump due to lack of cooling because of the failure of the lift pump yup and i think cummins says as much on their site in regard to bio diesel. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps -- ken i thought the same as ken regards the bio. werent most of the failures of the injection pump due to lack of cooling because of the failure of the lift pump roy .
From : greg surratt
on thu 09 mar 2006 193931 -0500 rick505 lott1954@aol.com wrote they had big problems with biodiesel a trucking company used biodiesel they would fill up down south and go up north to deliver there goods and gell up as soon as the trucks hit cold weather they would break down the fuel would cloud up then gell up there was a article about this trucking company and what happened if i remember right i think they had like 30to40 trucks break down the trucking company switched back to the regular fuel from what i have heard in the summer time it is ok to use but not in the winter time fueling up down south and then going north and complaining about gelling problems with biodiesel isnt a valid argument against biodiesel. you could fill up down south with unblended 100% diesel fuel and go up north and still have the same problem. been there done that a time or two before biodiesel was ever heard of. greg .
From : rachel easson
greg surratt wrote on thu 09 mar 2006 193931 -0500 rick505 lott1954@aol.com wrote they had big problems with biodiesel a trucking company used biodiesel they would fill up down south and go up north to deliver there goods and gell up as soon as the trucks hit cold weather they would break down the fuel would cloud up then gell up there was a article about this trucking company and what happened if i remember right i think they had like 30to40 trucks break down the trucking company switched back to the regular fuel from what i have heard in the summer time it is ok to use but not in the winter time fueling up down south and then going north and complaining about gelling problems with biodiesel isnt a valid argument against biodiesel. you could fill up down south with unblended 100% diesel fuel and go up north and still have the same problem. been there done that a time or two before biodiesel was ever heard of. greg i was curious -- using the two tank method and adapted fuel injectors etc. do you think a workable solution could be to engineer a method of mix dependent on sensors where the second tank injects the appropriate amount of methanol or ethanol rach also i read about having one tank on svo and the other on biodiesel but was wondering whether some of the older diesels could handle svo with ethanol in the second tank. http//journeytoforever.org/biodieselsvo.html rach .
From : greg surratt
on fri 10 mar 2006 082701 -0500 rachel easson rske@sympatico.ca wrote greg surratt wrote on thu 09 mar 2006 193931 -0500 rick505 lott1954@aol.com wrote they had big problems with biodiesel a trucking company used biodiesel they would fill up down south and go up north to deliver there goods and gell up as soon as the trucks hit cold weather they would break down the fuel would cloud up then gell up there was a article about this trucking company and what happened if i remember right i think they had like 30to40 trucks break down the trucking company switched back to the regular fuel from what i have heard in the summer time it is ok to use but not in the winter time fueling up down south and then going north and complaining about gelling problems with biodiesel isnt a valid argument against biodiesel. you could fill up down south with unblended 100% diesel fuel and go up north and still have the same problem. been there done that a time or two before biodiesel was ever heard of. greg i was curious -- using the two tank method and adapted fuel injectors etc. do you think a workable solution could be to engineer a method of mix dependent on sensors where the second tank injects the appropriate amount of methanol or ethanol rach also i read about having one tank on svo and the other on biodiesel but was wondering whether some of the older diesels could handle svo with ethanol in the second tank. http//journeytoforever.org/biodieselsvo.html rach im not sure where you are getting the idea for ethanol mixed with diesel fuel. i was under the impression that ethanol was the stuff that is so big for mixing with gasoline right now usually with diesel fuel the stations up north will either mix appropriate amounts of #1 and #2 diesel to keep it from gelling but ive never heard of using ethanol. greg .
From : de
on fri 10 mar 2006 190845 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote o im not sure where you are getting the idea for ethanol mixed with diesel fuel. i was under the impression that ethanol was the stuff that is so big for mixing with gasoline right now diesel engines can run on ethanol/ mixtures http//www.o2diesel.com/index.php have read that its been done in brazil on mercedes busses 26 yrs ago crankcase oil was used for lubrication of the hi pressure fuel pump. http//www.motherearth.com/library/1980julyaugust/brazilsalcoholdiesel the technology is there its only a matter of will and desire. ed ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .
From : greg surratt
on fri 10 mar 2006 153047 -0700 de albieguyspamless@yahoo.com wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 190845 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote o im not sure where you are getting the idea for ethanol mixed with diesel fuel. i was under the impression that ethanol was the stuff that is so big for mixing with gasoline right now diesel engines can run on ethanol/ mixtures http//www.o2diesel.com/index.php have read that its been done in brazil on mercedes busses 26 yrs ago crankcase oil was used for lubrication of the hi pressure fuel pump. http//www.motherearth.com/library/1980julyaugust/brazilsalcoholdiesel the technology is there its only a matter of will and desire. ed thanks ed. couple of things though the brazilians are doing this for two reasons cleaner air and self-sufficiency. im not saying that those are bad things but id like to see a cost comparison. they have the same problem with the diesel burning ethanol that we have here with the gas engines burning ethanol - efficiency suffers. the second article says they had to provide 50% more alcohol to the engine. they also had to add a cetane enhancer to get the ethanol to self ignite under pressure which adds yet another step into the manufacturing process. given those two factors and that they say the same engines will run on diesel diesel and gas diesel and vegetable oil diesel and ethanol i wonder when somebody will come up with 50 octane turnip juice id almost put these engines in a multi-fuels class rather than a straight diesel engine. greg .
From : greg surratt
on fri 10 mar 2006 153047 -0700 de albieguyspamless@yahoo.com wrote http//www.o2diesel.com/index.php have read that its been done in brazil on mercedes busses 26 yrs ago crankcase oil was used for lubrication of the hi pressure fuel pump. http//www.motherearth.com/library/1980julyaugust/brazilsalcoholdiesel the technology is there its only a matter of will and desire. ed looking at the following article i may have to retract any objections i raised about cost http//www.det.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleaid=/20060311/auto01/603110373/1148/rss25 in sao tome the cooperative that owns the ethanol distillery is betting on its best profits since it bought the operation in 1993. cocamars production cost is $1.10 per gallon and wholesalers are buying the fuel for $2.68 -- up from $1.44 last year. greg .
From : rick505
they had big problems with biodiesel a trucking company used biodiesel they would fill up down south and go up north to deliver there goods and gell up as soon as the trucks hit cold weather they would break down the fuel would cloud up then gell up there was a article about this trucking company and what happened if i remember right i think they had like 30to40 trucks break down the trucking company switched back to the regular fuel from what i have heard in the summer time it is ok to use but not in the winter time .
From : geekboy
bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps yes but biodiesel seems to be more acidic and can weaken some rubber hoses in older diesels from what i hear. -- ken .
From : bigironram
bigironram wrote i would like to know if anyone has had experience or knows whether biodiesel will compromise any seals or gaskets in a 2001 cummins 5.9l diesel. i want to use biodiesel in my truck to reduce emissions. cummins approves up to b05 for the older engines. what is cummins position on biodiesel fuel biodiesel blends up to b5 are approved for use in all cummins engines for both on-highway and off-highway engines. b5 is a blend of 5 percent pure biodiesel and 95 percent standard petroleum diesel. cummins believes that blends greater than b5 are possible and appropriate. the industry standard known as astm d6751 defines the specifications for b100. however this standard currently lacks a specification for stability. without a specification for stability the quality of fuel in blends greater than b5 could degrade to a point which could be damaging to engines. for the 2007 model year they okay up to b20 http//www.theautochannel.com//2006/01/23/208274.html with the failure rate of the vp44 injection pump there wont be any biodiesel in my truck. robert i thought biodiesel had higher lubricity than petro diesel. wouldnt that extend the life of the fuel pumps -- ken thats correct but thats not why im not interested in bio-diesel. in addition to a lack of standards for bio-diesel my truck sits for long periods of time and bio doesnt age well. i fueled up last friday 74 gallons $175.00 i cant recall the previous fillup sometime last year probably fall i suppose. some interesting links to follow. http//lifesciencesweek.missouri.edu/uploads/finalposter/schumacherl@1.pdf http//www.jwburress.com/images/servicebulletins/01-037%20bio%20d%20fuel.pdf ill leave the real world testing to the voluntary guinea pigs. robert .
From : rachel easson
bigironram wrote ill leave the real world testing to the voluntary guinea pigs. robert as i have left those who which to be guinea pigs for laser eye surgery which it turns out needs to be re-done from time to time rach .
From : de
on sat 11 mar 2006 120322 gmt greg surratt glsurratt@verizon.net wrote on fri 10 mar 2006 153047 -0700 de albieguyspamless@yahoo.com wrote http//www.o2diesel.com/index.php have read that its been done in brazil on mercedes busses 26 yrs ago crankcase oil was used for lubrication of the hi pressure fuel pump. http//www.motherearth.com/library/1980julyaugust/brazilsalcoholdiesel the technology is there its only a matter of will and desire. ed looking at the following article i may have to retract any objections i raised about cost http//www.det.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleaid=/20060311/auto01/603110373/1148/rss25 in sao tome the cooperative that owns the ethanol distillery is betting on its best profits since it bought the operation in 1993. cocamars production cost is $1.10 per gallon and wholesalers are buying the fuel for $2.68 -- up from $1.44 last year. greg greg it was an eye opener to me that a diesel could run on ethanol the energy situation in the us is complex but at the end of the day its the incumbent technology that has the trump card ie firm control of the political system. and changes of any magnitude in energy would require the influence of congress.. ethanol/biodiesel are considered a disruptive innovation and currently treated as such. but given the instability in the energy markets it seems logical that ethanol methanol biodiesel would be integrated into the picture. the current pump price of $2.55 + for diesel combined with the onboard computer ability to detect and use different fuels should make this a reality. a phased fuel tax to keep the price high around $5 ish and use the procedes to develop alt energy sources could have profound impacts but i wouldnt hold my breath waiting. ed ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .