Chrysler's 3rd largest shareholder

From : studio

Q: 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

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From : bob

studio wrote 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn thats why my truck gets such crappy mileage! -- ..bob on order 2006 fxdi red. 1997 hd fxdwg - turbocharged stolen 11/26/05 in denver 1hd1gel10vy3200010 co license j5822z 2001 dodge dakota qc 5.9/4x4/3.92 1966 mustang coupe - daily driver 1965 ffr cobra - 427w efi damn fast. .

From : max dodge

lol that would be all well and good except that daimler is not and has never been a us auto maker and now neither is chrysler since daimler took it over. which except for the fact that dc maintains several assembly plants and chrysler headquarters in michigan making the chrysler division a disctinctly american operation tbone would actually be correct. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author lol that would be all well and good except that daimler is not and has never been a us auto maker and now neither is chrysler since daimler took it over. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

From : tbone

sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. except that little detail of having its operational headquarters in michigan you might actually be correct. once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. see since it was a merger of equals and the chrysler side is bigger by far and a court of law has upheld that merger of equals thing and chrysler not only had better profits but better quality than its german half the only conclusion is that chrysler despite being a division of a holding company known as dcx is in fact a north american operation and is denoted as such by its parent company. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. its demonstration of the autonomous nature of the chrysler division yet another bit of evidence that proves you incorrect in calling chrysler a german operation. no it demonstraited the ability of the person that they picked. if he could keep the chrysler division profitable while gm and ford took a dump he was the man for the job nothing more. it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right i see you had nothing to say to this point which was in fact the issue at hand. lol sorry maxi but just because you say it doesnt make it fact and as usual you jump into a thread with no actual valid information just to flame as usual. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : max dodge

once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. of course given that its been found to be a merger of equals as it was supposed to be not that i like the idea but the facts are what they ware i suppose some german schmuck like yourself is arguing that mercedes is no longer a german automaker. thats no more true than what you claim. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. im awfully sorry but against what you and i would like its been found by a judge in a court of law to be exactly what it was claimed to be. again im no fan of the decision but... the facts are what they are. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. i agree and yet a court with far more facts and evidence at hand than we have has decided otherwise. also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. i realize you dont have a clue what i think after that remark. first i like chrysler and dont like the fact that its merged owned or what ever by a german company at least it wasnt bmw or audi. but... a court says its merged and so that is the fact. it would be a good idea for you to figure out the laws. any corporation operating in this country no matter the location of its headquarters is bound by our laws. its demonstration of the autonomous nature of the chrysler division yet another bit of evidence that proves you incorrect in calling chrysler a german operation. no it demonstraited the ability of the person that they picked. if he could keep the chrysler division profitable while gm and ford took a dump he was the man for the job nothing more. obviously you forgot one important bit of info that makes my statement true. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. the next important bit of info you forgot is the reason daimler wanted to merge with chrysler they wanted an american company that had not only a decent market share larger than mercedes but had innovative ideas and design. chrysler had all that and has been urged to continue that. lol sorry maxi but just because you say it doesnt make it fact and as usual you jump into a thread with no actual valid information just to flame as usual. lol sorry if you cant take it when i join a thread at its inception with facts that trump your blather. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. except that little detail of having its operational headquarters in michigan you might actually be correct. once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. see since it was a merger of equals and the chrysler side is bigger by far and a court of law has upheld that merger of equals thing and chrysler not only had better profits but better quality than its german half the only conclusion is that chrysler despite being a division of a holding company known as dcx is in fact a north american operation and is denoted as such by its parent company. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. its demonstration of the autonomous

From : max dodge

once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. of course given that its been found to be a merger of equals as it was supposed to be not that i like the idea but the facts are what they ware i suppose some german schmuck like yourself is arguing that mercedes is no longer a german automaker. thats no more true than what you claim. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. im awfully sorry but against what you and i would like its been found by a judge in a court of law to be exactly what it was claimed to be. again im no fan of the decision but... the facts are what they are. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. i agree and yet a court with far more facts and evidence at hand than we have has decided otherwise. also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. i realize you dont have a clue what i think after that remark. first i like chrysler and dont like the fact that its merged owned or what ever by a german company at least it wasnt bmw or audi. but... a court says its merged and so that is the fact. it would be a good idea for you to figure out the laws. any corporation operating in this country no matter the location of its headquarters is bound by our laws. its demonstration of the autonomous nature of the chrysler division yet another bit of evidence that proves you incorrect in calling chrysler a german operation. no it demonstraited the ability of the person that they picked. if he could keep the chrysler division profitable while gm and ford took a dump he was the man for the job nothing more. obviously you forgot one important bit of info that makes my statement true. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. the next important bit of info you forgot is the reason daimler wanted to merge with chrysler they wanted an american company that had not only a decent market share larger than mercedes but had innovative ideas and design. chrysler had all that and has been urged to continue that. lol sorry maxi but just because you say it doesnt make it fact and as usual you jump into a thread with no actual valid information just to flame as usual. lol sorry if you cant take it when i join a thread at its inception with facts that trump your blather. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. except that little detail of having its operational headquarters in michigan you might actually be correct. once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. see since it was a merger of equals and the chrysler side is bigger by far and a court of law has upheld that merger of equals thing and chrysler not only had better profits but better quality than its german half the only conclusion is that chrysler despite being a division of a holding company known as dcx is in fact a north american operation and is denoted as such by its parent company. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. its demonstration of the autonomous

From : tbone

it was too lame to really fire anyone up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote while what you said is true if that is what he meant what would be the purpose of the post i think he was trying to stir up an arguement but it didnt work yet. -- ken .

From : tbone

lol that would be all well and good except that daimler is not and has never been a us auto maker and now neither is chrysler since daimler took it over. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

From : nosey

what you say is very true tom but the wording of his statement can be taken several ways and is very misleading. perhaps us auto maker means an auto maker that produces cars in the us or a maker that produces cars for the us market. either of those would make dc a us auto maker even though its not a us owned company. -- ken .

From : tbone

while what you said is true if that is what he meant what would be the purpose of the post under that definition honda toyota bmw and many others would all be considered us auto makers and who would give a shit if the third largest shareholder of any of them were the united arab emerites. i think that this was a lame attempt at a cheep shot against the us possibly based on that port control screw-up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what you say is very true tom but the wording of his statement can be taken several ways and is very misleading. perhaps us auto maker means an auto maker that produces cars in the us or a maker that produces cars for the us market. either of those would make dc a us auto maker even though its not a us owned company. -- ken . 222 313808 1141360098.743428.18430@t39g2000cwt.googlegroups.com roy wrote ======== ======== denny wrote stick my head in to see whats going on and 1129 unread posts. no way am i gonna go thru that mess. so what have i missed how you all have been playing nice.. g denny ========= ========= this is a truck forum. please carry yer dribble to the apropriate ng. practice what ya preach ============= ============= roy i remember when you first started frequenting this ng.......... looks like you finally learned which arses to kiss to fit in. ^ ^ 00 l o marshmonster .

From : tbone

01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

From : nosey

tbone wrote while what you said is true if that is what he meant what would be the purpose of the post i think he was trying to stir up an arguement but it didnt work yet. -- ken .

From : max dodge

interestingly enough i agree with you that the post was a lame attempt to stir up something based on the uae port company. however given the nature of uaes involvement its more likely they wish to make money rather than mess with the ports. beyond all the pro and con of this corporate action the fact remains that security is taken care of or not taken care of depending on the amount of funding allotted by u.s. government agencies not capitalist enterprise. we could of course debate how the capitalist enterprise handles the fed paperwork etc and just how well the security in place works but the point is that security is not for sale on the open market. beyond that its a guess. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author while what you said is true if that is what he meant what would be the purpose of the post under that definition honda toyota bmw and many others would all be considered us auto makers and who would give a shit if the third largest shareholder of any of them were the united arab emerites. i think that this was a lame attempt at a cheep shot against the us possibly based on that port control screw-up. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving what you say is very true tom but the wording of his statement can be taken several ways and is very misleading. perhaps us auto maker means an auto maker that produces cars in the us or a maker that produces cars for the us market. either of those would make dc a us auto maker even though its not a us owned company. -- ken .

From : max dodge

sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. except that little detail of having its operational headquarters in michigan you might actually be correct. see since it was a merger of equals and the chrysler side is bigger by far and a court of law has upheld that merger of equals thing and chrysler not only had better profits but better quality than its german half the only conclusion is that chrysler despite being a division of a holding company known as dcx is in fact a north american operation and is denoted as such by its parent company. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. its demonstration of the autonomous nature of the chrysler division yet another bit of evidence that proves you incorrect in calling chrysler a german operation. it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right i see you had nothing to say to this point which was in fact the issue at hand. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author lol that would be all well and good except that daimler is not and has never been a us auto maker and now neither is chrysler since daimler took it over. which except for the fact that dc maintains several assembly plants and chrysler headquarters in michigan making the chrysler division a disctinctly american operation tbone would actually be correct. sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving over. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

From : max dodge

sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. except that little detail of having its operational headquarters in michigan you might actually be correct. see since it was a merger of equals and the chrysler side is bigger by far and a court of law has upheld that merger of equals thing and chrysler not only had better profits but better quality than its german half the only conclusion is that chrysler despite being a division of a holding company known as dcx is in fact a north american operation and is denoted as such by its parent company. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. its demonstration of the autonomous nature of the chrysler division yet another bit of evidence that proves you incorrect in calling chrysler a german operation. it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right i see you had nothing to say to this point which was in fact the issue at hand. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author lol that would be all well and good except that daimler is not and has never been a us auto maker and now neither is chrysler since daimler took it over. which except for the fact that dc maintains several assembly plants and chrysler headquarters in michigan making the chrysler division a disctinctly american operation tbone would actually be correct. sorry max but i am correct. where a company builds its product has no effect on who owns it and since chrysler is now owned by a german manufacturer it is a german manufacturer regardless of where some of its plants are located. you are aware are you not that the new chairman of dc was hand picked because of his success in the chrysler division of dc and this means what oh yea not a damn thing. it is also worth mention that none of the listed major shareholders of dcx as of 12/31/05 was uae or any company from there. however since two months have elapsed and deutsch bank has long been interested in divesting itself of dcx stock its possible uae was a buyer. but then it would have hit at least one financial service site on the web right -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving over. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving 01/30/2005 united arab emerites became 3rd largest shareholder of us automaker daimler chrysler ag --- $1bn .

From : max dodge

first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. nope but the schmuck in germany acting like you probably is german. get it yet regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. and you appear to be missing the point as usual. that and disregarding anything that might actually be regarded as fact by anyone else in the world except you and your german schmuck counterpart. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. in this case they are exactly what they appear to be. kerkorian probably likes those facts even less than i do. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the company where did the execs running it come from who picked them for someone who thinks laws are for everyone such as the seatbelt law speed limits etc you sure seem happy to totally disregard yet another legal ruling by a u.s. court. stockholders are said to be worldwide so the claim by dcx is that it is a gloabal company. the exec running chrysler right now is a canadian. he is part of a management board of international origin that is appointed by a supervisory board. the supervisory board consists of 10 shareholders representatives and 10 employees representatives. the supervisory board appoints the board of management and approves important corporate decisions. it is notable that this board is also of international origin. if one looks at the corporate entities held by dcx one finds chrysler group sterling trucks freightliner trucks western star trucks thomas built buses and orion buses and detroit diesel. with a total of eight companies this outnumbers the german componants by four with mecedes-benz funny how thats a german automacker but by your terms could be called american were the tables reversed maybach smart and setra busses. the last componant is mitsubishi fuso. clearly if we are to look at corporate entities and where they are based one might well conclude that dcx is largely an amercian company. but never mind the facts..... lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and toyota. are you saying that they are also american companies on paper it may still be listed as a merger but in reality it was an admitted takeover simple as that. admitted by whom dcx never admitted such a thing only jergen schremp noted for his poor pr and decision making has said that. everyone else except for kirk kerkorian has called dcx a global company with holdings in both europe and america. each of its divisions including mercedes group and chrysler group operates autonomously. the important opinion on all of this is the federal court that ruled dcx was a merger not a take over. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. complete bs. lol completely proving you are full of said bs. even in gm there were divisions that operated outside of the corporate requirements and demands especially during the muscle car era. are you saying that pontiac and olds were foreign manufacturers now lol! no but they certainly were autonomous which is the point. thanks for proving what ive said to be true. actually it was chryslers technology that they wanted and the market share smallest of the american manufacturers was just an added bonus. btw i dont recall mercedes being in financial trouble. do you know something different and if so please supply a link. that would be interesting. http//www.thecarconnection.com/index.asparticle=8244 a combination of strong euro the cost of launching new vehicles and the spending required to fix quality problems particularly on e-class sedans as well as losses at the smart unit slashed operating profit at mercedes to just $25 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 from $900 million a year earlier. in addition mercedes-benz operating profit was cut in half during 2004. http//quote.bloomberg.com/apps/pid=10000039&refer=columnistlevin&sid=atdd41epoic8 zetsche collected his reward last month when he was picked to replace chief executive officer juergen schrempp 60 and patch up another problem this time at headquarters in stuttgart. management is in disarray. mercedes the most-storied name in german automotive history is beset by poor quality and dismal financial results. mercedess attempt to enhance its image with the ultra- luxury maybach sedan with a starting list price of $325000 has been a disappointment

From : max dodge

well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. im done here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. nope but the schmuck in germany acting like you probably is german. get it yet regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. and you appear to be missing the point as usual. that and disregarding anything that might actually be regarded as fact by anyone else in the world except you and your german schmuck counterpart. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. in this case they are exactly what they appear to be. kerkorian probably likes those facts even less than i do. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the company where did the execs running it come from who picked them for someone who thinks laws are for everyone such as the seatbelt law speed limits etc you sure seem happy to totally disregard yet another legal ruling by a u.s. court. stockholders are said to be worldwide so the claim by dcx is that it is a gloabal company. the exec running chrysler right now is a canadian. he is part of a management board of international origin that is appointed by a supervisory board. the supervisory board consists of 10 shareholders representatives and 10 employees representatives. the supervisory board appoints the board of management and approves important corporate decisions. it is notable that this board is also of international origin. if one looks at the corporate entities held by dcx one finds chrysler group sterling trucks freightliner trucks western star trucks thomas built buses and orion buses and detroit diesel. with a total of eight companies this outnumbers the german componants by four with mecedes-benz funny how thats a german automacker but by your terms could be called american were the tables reversed maybach smart and setra busses. the last componant is mitsubishi fuso. clearly if we are to look at corporate entities and where they are based one might well conclude that dcx is largely an amercian company. but never mind the facts..... lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and toyota. are you saying that they are also american companies on paper it may still be listed as a merger but in reality it was an admitted takeover simple as that. admitted by whom dcx never admitted such a thing only jergen schremp noted for his poor pr and decision making has said that. everyone else except for kirk kerkorian has called dcx a global company with holdings in both europe and america. each of its divisions including mercedes group and chrysler group operates autonomously. the important opinion on all of this is the federal court that ruled dcx was a merger not a take over. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. complete bs. lol completely proving you are full of said bs. even in gm there were divisions that operated outside of the corporate requirements and demands especially during the muscle car era. are you saying that pontiac and olds were foreign manufacturers now lol! no but they certainly were autonomous which is the point. thanks for proving what ive said to be true. actually it was chryslers technology that they wanted and the market share smallest of the american manufacturers was just an added bonus. btw i dont recall mercedes being in financial trouble. do you know something different and if so please supply a link. that would be interesting. http//www.thecarconnection.com/index.asparticle=8244 a combination of strong euro the cost of launching new vehicles and the spending required to fix quality problems particularly on e-class sedans as well as losses at the smart unit slashed operating profit at mercedes to just $25 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 from $900 million a year earlier. in addition mercedes-benz operating profit was cut in half during 2004. http//quote.bloomberg.com/apps/pid=10000039

From : miles

max dodge wrote well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. nah max. hell make some biased liberal remark to change the subject and declare himself a winner of nothing. .

From : max dodge

nah max. hell make some biased liberal remark to change the subject and declare himself a winner of nothing. well hes already done that. but its never stopped him from digging deeper just because he was already in a hole. what is really funny is if he had just looked at dcxs website hed have had all the info i posted. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author max dodge wrote well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. nah max. hell make some biased liberal remark to change the subject and declare himself a winner of nothing. .

From : tbone

max dodge wrote well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. nah max. hell make some biased liberal remark to change the subject and declare himself a winner of nothing. lol whats the matter miles are you getting upset because you cannot answer a simple question based on the facts that you provided get over it and answer the question. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

i didnt bother to reply because the facts that you gave are so full of shit you either are in hyperactive spin mode or are just a moron. either way there is no point because you are still wrong. if i get time later i will make you look like an idiot again but i really dont have the time to deal with you right now troll boy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. im done here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. nope but the schmuck in germany acting like you probably is german. get it yet regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. and you appear to be missing the point as usual. that and disregarding anything that might actually be regarded as fact by anyone else in the world except you and your german schmuck counterpart. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. in this case they are exactly what they appear to be. kerkorian probably likes those facts even less than i do. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the company where did the execs running it come from who picked them for someone who thinks laws are for everyone such as the seatbelt law speed limits etc you sure seem happy to totally disregard yet another legal ruling by a u.s. court. stockholders are said to be worldwide so the claim by dcx is that it is a gloabal company. the exec running chrysler right now is a canadian. he is part of a management board of international origin that is appointed by a supervisory board. the supervisory board consists of 10 shareholders representatives and 10 employees representatives. the supervisory board appoints the board of management and approves important corporate decisions. it is notable that this board is also of international origin. if one looks at the corporate entities held by dcx one finds chrysler group sterling trucks freightliner trucks western star trucks thomas built buses and orion buses and detroit diesel. with a total of eight companies this outnumbers the german componants by four with mecedes-benz funny how thats a german automacker but by your terms could be called american were the tables reversed maybach smart and setra busses. the last componant is mitsubishi fuso. clearly if we are to look at corporate entities and where they are based one might well conclude that dcx is largely an amercian company. but never mind the facts..... lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and toyota. are you saying that they are also american companies on paper it may still be listed as a merger but in reality it was an admitted takeover simple as that. admitted by whom dcx never admitted such a thing only jergen schremp noted for his poor pr and decision making has said that. everyone else except for kirk kerkorian has called dcx a global company with holdings in both europe and america. each of its divisions including mercedes group and chrysler group operates autonomously. the important opinion on all of this is the federal court that ruled dcx was a merger not a take over. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. complete bs. lol completely proving you are full of said bs. even in gm there were divisions that operated outside of the corporate requirements and demands especially during the muscle car era. are you saying that pontiac and olds were foreign manufacturers now lol! no but they certainly were autonomous which is the point. thanks for proving what ive said to be true. actually it was chryslers technology that they wanted and the market share smallest of the american manufacturers was just an added bonus. btw i dont recall mercedes being in financial trouble. do you know something different and if so please supply a link. that would be interesting. http//www.thecarconnection.com/index.asparticle=8244 a combinatio

From : max dodge

i didnt bother to reply because the facts that you gave are so full of shit you either are in hyperactive spin mode or are just a moron. interesting that you would say that. all of those facts can be found by simply accessing www.daimlerchrysler.com are you saying a multi-billion dollar global corporation is lying about the structure of its corporate leadership are you further saying that the sources i dug up just a couple from thousands that hit on my search are also lying about mercedes financial failures either way there is no point because you are still wrong. prove it genius. if i get time later i will make you look like an idiot again but i really dont have the time to deal with you right now troll boy. you have plenty of time to answer other people and now me. yet you have no facts no rebuttal and no clue about the truth. truly you are done here as well. dont bother replying im not interested in your drivel on this subject. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author i didnt bother to reply because the facts that you gave are so full of shit you either are in hyperactive spin mode or are just a moron. either way there is no point because you are still wrong. if i get time later i will make you look like an idiot again but i really dont have the time to deal with you right now troll boy. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving well tbone ive not seen anything from you on this thread in over a day. yet you seem to have time to post to others in the group. thus i am forced to conclude that since youve failed to post a factless monologue let alone one with well reasoned rebuttal that you are avoiding the fact that you have been proven wrong on your statements. im done here. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. nope but the schmuck in germany acting like you probably is german. get it yet regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. and you appear to be missing the point as usual. that and disregarding anything that might actually be regarded as fact by anyone else in the world except you and your german schmuck counterpart. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. in this case they are exactly what they appear to be. kerkorian probably likes those facts even less than i do. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the company where did the execs running it come from who picked them for someone who thinks laws are for everyone such as the seatbelt law speed limits etc you sure seem happy to totally disregard yet another legal ruling by a u.s. court. stockholders are said to be worldwide so the claim by dcx is that it is a gloabal company. the exec running chrysler right now is a canadian. he is part of a management board of international origin that is appointed by a supervisory board. the supervisory board consists of 10 shareholders representatives and 10 employees representatives. the supervisory board appoints the board of management and approves important corporate decisions. it is notable that this board is also of international origin. if one looks at the corporate entities held by dcx one finds chrysler group sterling trucks freightliner trucks western star trucks thomas built buses and orion buses and detroit diesel. with a total of eight companies this outnumbers the german componants by four with mecedes-benz funny how thats a german automacker but by your terms could be called american were the tables reversed maybach smart and setra busses. the last componant is mitsubishi fuso. clearly if we are to look at corporate entities and where they are based one might well conclude that dcx is largely an amercian company. but never mind the facts..... lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and toyota. are you saying that they are also american companies on paper it may still be listed as a merger but in reality it was an admitted takeover simple as that. admitted by whom dcx never admitted such a thing only jergen schremp noted for his poor pr and decision making has said that. everyone else except for kirk kerkorian has called dcx a global company with holdings in both europe and america. each of its divisions including

From : tbone

i didnt bother to reply because the facts that you gave are so full of shit you either are in hyperactive spin mode or are just a moron. interesting that you would say that. all of those facts can be found by simply accessing www.daimlerchrysler.com lol perhaps you should learn how to read between the lines. are you saying a multi-billion dollar global corporation is lying about the structure of its corporate leadership oh yea that would never happen. funny how the stock is controlled by a german company and all stock holders meetings are held in germany. like i said you need to read between the lines. are you further saying that the sources i dug up just a couple from thousands that hit on my search are also lying about mercedes financial failures not at all but since mercedes didnt run into any real trouble until 03 and the merger takeover happened in 98 unless they all have magical crystal balls how would they know. funny how you didnt mention the 20% layoff in chrysler in 99 and the shutdown of 4 production facilities at that time. it looks more like mercedes was supporting chrysler when the takeover took place. either way there is no point because you are still wrong. prove it genius. read above and even with your lawsuit crap what you failed to mention that dcx settled in a $300000000 lawsuit with other chrysler investors a few months earlier. now why would a company pay out that much money if it didnt do anything wrong if i get time later i will make you look like an idiot again but i really dont have the time to deal with you right now troll boy. you have plenty of time to answer other people and now me. yet you have no facts no rebuttal and no clue about the truth. no max it is just pointless to try when i dont have the time because you just rattle on aimlessly just like in the power outlet thread. truly you are done here as well. dont bother replying im not interested in your drivel on this subject. iow you dont want to be shown in error once again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. nope but the schmuck in germany acting like you probably is german. get it yet acting like me lol!!! no i dont get it and i doubt that anyone else does either. regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. and you appear to be missing the point as usual. that and disregarding anything that might actually be regarded as fact by anyone else in the world except you and your german schmuck counterpart. the point is that you as usual have no valid point. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. in this case they are exactly what they appear to be. kerkorian probably likes those facts even less than i do. he was whining because he was a fool and like many got burned for it. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the company where did the execs running it come from who picked them for someone who thinks laws are for everyone such as the seatbelt law speed limits etc you sure seem happy to totally disregard yet another legal ruling by a u.s. court. the legal ruling of the court simply said that daimler did not call it a merger of equals to manipulate the stock market stockholders are said to be worldwide so the claim by dcx is that it is a gloabal company. lol many stocks are owned by people world wide. the location of the stock owners means nothing. the exec running chrysler right now is a canadian. he is part of a management board of international origin that is appointed by a supervisory board. the supervisory board consists of 10 shareholders representatives and 10 employees representatives. the supervisory board appoints the board of management and approves important corporate decisions. it is notable that this board is also of international origin. but all of these meetings are held at in germany. why do you think that is if one looks at the corporate entities held by dcx one finds chrysler group sterling trucks freightliner trucks western star trucks thomas built buses and orion buses and detroit diesel. with a total of eight companies this outnumbers the german componants by four with mecedes-benz funny how thats a german automacker but by your terms could be called american were the tables reversed maybach smart and setra busses. the last componant is mitsubishi fuso. clearly if we are to look at corporate entities and where they are based one might well conclude that dcx is largely an amercian company. lol all that shows is that american businessmen are basically whores who are only interested in the short term dollars. that should be obvious by the current state of the american auto makers. but never mind the facts..... because your facts are meaningless. someone could wash his car on sunday that would be a fact. it could rain in the same area from the following monday thru that friday yet another fact. now you would attribute the fact the car was washed as the reason that it rained iow complete bs even though both facts are true. lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and toyota. are you saying that they are also american companies on paper it may still be listed as a merger but in reality it was an admitted takeover simple as that. admitted by whom dcx never admitted such a thing only jergen schremp noted for his poor pr and decision making has said that. really then why did they settle on a 300 million lawsuit based on that very claim everyone else except for kirk kerkorian has called dcx a global company with holdings in both europe and america. each of its divisions including mercedes group and chrysler group operates autonomously. the important opinion on all of this is the federal court that ruled dcx was a merger not a take over. no it ruled that daimler did not call it a merger of equals to manipulate the stock market. deiter zeische operated without needing command from above; indeed operated better than jergen schremp who was his boss. the only way he could do this would be if chrysler was operated as an american company. complete bs. lol completely proving you are full of said bs. this is no answer at all imagine that. even in gm there were divisions that operated outside of the corporate requirements and demands especially during the muscle car era. are you saying that pontiac and olds were foreign manufacturers now lol! no but they certainly were autonomous which is the point. thanks for proving what ive said to b

From : tbone

once again it doesnt matter. especially when chrysler is only a division of the main german company. of course given that its been found to be a merger of equals as it was supposed to be not that i like the idea but the facts are what they ware i suppose some german schmuck like yourself is arguing that mercedes is no longer a german automaker. thats no more true than what you claim. first of all i am not german not that it would matter either way. regardless of what the court may regard it as it is still run by the execs that were either in or hand picked by daimler a german company and chrysler is only a division of such. since the parent company is very much a german company why would mercedes be regarded any different than it always was. you appear to be spinning yourself now. merger of equals lol! it was a takeover simple as that. im awfully sorry but against what you and i would like its been found by a judge in a court of law to be exactly what it was claimed to be. again im no fan of the decision but... the facts are what they are. sorry max but the facts are not always what they appear to be. it was called a merger of equals to calm the american stock holders to get the deal to go through much easier and this was admitted by both sides. funny how most of the leadership of chrysler are no longer working for it so even if by some remote chance that were true and it really isnt just about all of the corporate officers are either from daimler or were selected by daimler. i agree and yet a court with far more facts and evidence at hand than we have has decided otherwise. all that says is that it is an american division of a foreign company and it really doesnt matter what they decided. who is in control of the companywhere did the execs running it come from who picked them also funny how the us courts have little jurisdiction on german companies. i realise that you have this love affair with chrysler and dodge but face it maxi the corporate leadership once again sold out for the big bucks after all it is the new american way. i realize you dont have a clue what i think after that remark. first i like chrysler and dont like the fact that its merged owned or what ever by a german company at least it wasnt bmw or audi. but... a court says its merged and so that is the fact. it would be a good idea for you to figure out the laws. any corporation operating in this country no matter the location of its headquarters is bound by our laws. lol! sure it has to follow american laws but so do honda and