Boycott Exxon, ESSO and PETRO CANADA

From : filleh

Q: ....nice tidy little profit http//www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/may2006/02/c2689.html imperial oil announces first-quarter financial and operating results calgary may 2 /cnw/ - imperial oil today announced net income for the first quarter of 2006 of $591 million or $1.78 a share versus $393 million or $1.12 a share for the same period last year. now on to the message..... this was originally sent by a retired coca cola executive it came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from halliburton. its worth your consideration. join the resistance!!!! do it now! i hear we are going to hit close to $1.40 litre by next summer and it might go higher!! want gasoline prices to come down we need to take some intelligent united action. phillip hollsworth offered this good idea. this makes much more sense than the dont buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last april or may! the oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldnt continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. it was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. but whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. please read on and join with us! by now youre probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.00 is super cheap. me too! it is currently $1.10 per litre in my town. now that the oil companies and the opec nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is cheap at $99.5-$1.02.7 we need to take aggressive action to teach them that buyers control the marketplace..not sellers. with the price of gasoline going up more each day we consumers need to take action. the only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! and we can do that without hurting ourselves. how since we all rely on our cars we cant just stop buying gas. but we can have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. heres the idea for the rest of this year dont purchase any gasoline from the two biggest companies which now are petro canada and esso. if they are not selling any gas they will be inclined to reduce their prices. if they reduce their prices the other companies will have to follow suit. but to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. its really simple to do! now dont wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! i am sending this note to 30 people. if each of us send it to at least ten more 30 x 10 = 300 ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more 300 x 10 = 3000...and so on by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people we will have reached over three million consumers. if those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each then 30 million people will have been contacted! if it goes one level further you guessed it..... three hundred million people!!! again all you have to do is send this to 10 people. thats all! if you dont understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well lets face it you just arent a mathematician. but i am so trust me on this one. - how long would all that take if each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt all 300 million people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! ill bet you didnt think you and i had that much potential did you! acting together we can make a difference. if this makes sense to you please pass this message on. i suggest that we not buy from petro-can/esso until they lower their prices to the $0.88 range and keep them down. this can really work .

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From : tbone

tbone wrote why gas and not everything else we buy because i really dont see the price of other things increasing as quickly as gas and most stores dont post the price of their product where you can see it from the street. i see. so you have plenty of time to wait in long gas lines to save a few pennies but you do not have the time to find lower prices for other products. it takes little effort to find the best price on gas. hell there are web sites devoted to just that. name a few web sites that show the store with the lowest cost of eggs by area or any store that posts the price of devil dogs on a sign out front. as usual miles you compare apples to toasters to try and support your pointless arguments. the fact is that gas stations sell few products and will remain competative only if forced to but they know that there are plenty of people like you out there. many do and do it on line. come to think of it there are actual sites that do just that. these are just lame excuses miles but if you dont want to do anything to help control the price then dont complain about it. but then again with your level of greed the price should be nothing to you with the money you pay yourself. lol you just made a lame excuse about other stores not showing their price on the street. good grief. there is nothing lame about it. i know the price of fuel at any station just by driving by it. i dont even have to stop the car and see many of them on my way to do other things almost no real effort. to get the best price at most retail stores i have to specifically go there get out of the car and look in the store much more time and effort. fortunantly most of the retail stores now have web sites with prices so i can price shop on line without wasting a drop of fuel and do it when im just sitting around anyway. once again you have no point. is this a comment or a question if the arco sees people still going to the one across the street even at a 6 cent price increase then why not raise the price. if the lower price isnt attracting them then raising them is only going to make it worse not better. lol as usual you missed the point. if the station across the street is getting customers and is 6 cents higher then it it obvious that the price is not a huge issue and can raise the price as people are still willing to pay it for whatever reasons such as selfishness and lazyness. we did it and the lines went down some but we were still constantly pumping and making more money per tank doing it. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

on sat 13 may 2006 155842 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote tbone wrote why gas and not everything else we buy because i really dont see the price of other things increasing as quickly as gas and most stores dont post the price of their product where you can see it from the street. i see. so you have plenty of time to wait in long gas lines to save a few pennies but you do not have the time to find lower prices for other products. it takes little effort to find the best price on gas. hell there are web sites devoted to just that. name a few web sites that show the store with the lowest cost of eggs by area or any store that posts the price of devil dogs on a sign out front. as usual miles you compare apples to toasters to try and support your pointless arguments. the fact is that gas stations sell few products and will remain competative only if forced to but they know that there are plenty of people like you out there. not to get into the middle of this thing g but the problem is that first the places that advertise even on the net are often influenced so they dont put all of the prices on the sites. then i dont have time to devote my life to teaching the gas companies to quite screwing us. i dont have time to drive to the other side of this area to fill my car or truck up. now that may be a cowards way out but i honestly dont have the time to do it. then even though the gas companies are clearly screwing us and even though the middle east oil barons are screwing us by allowing us to protect their oil kingdoms with the lives of our young men and women in the military so that they can bend us over when they sell that oil to us we the people still keep screwing ourselves. we spend our time arguing with each other...........sort of like we are here........about the little insignificant things about oil use when the oil companies are clearly in bed with the people that we vote in to protect our rights. a lot of this could be fixed if we had some decent representation. and this isnt a republican or democrat thing because no one has really stood up to oil for a very long time. many do and do it on line. come to think of it there are actual sites that do just that. these are just lame excuses miles but if you dont want to do anything to help control the price then dont complain about it. but then again with your level of greed the price should be nothing to you with the money you pay yourself. lol you just made a lame excuse about other stores not showing their price on the street. good grief. there is nothing lame about it. i know the price of fuel at any station just by driving by it. i dont even have to stop the car and see many of them on my way to do other things almost no real effort. to get the best price at most retail stores i have to specifically go there get out of the car and look in the store much more time and effort. fortunantly most of the retail stores now have web sites with prices so i can price shop on line without wasting a drop of fuel and do it when im just sitting around anyway. once again you have no point. is this a comment or a question if the arco sees people still going to the one across the street even at a 6 cent price increase then why not raise the price. if the lower price isnt attracting them then raising them is only going to make it worse not better. lol as usual you missed the point. if the station across the street is getting customers and is 6 cents higher then it it obvious that the price is not a huge issue and can raise the price as people are still willing to pay it for whatever reasons such as selfishness and lazyness. we did it and the lines went down some but we were still constantly pumping and making more money per tank doing it. .

From : miles

tbone wrote the problem is that in order to help control pricing just about all must be willing and you and those like you dont. do you do your grocery shopping at 10 or more different grocery stores so you get the lowest price on each item so i take it you have an excess of free time available to spend shopping all over town for the lowest price on anything you buy .

From : miles

tbone wrote it takes little effort to find the best price on gas. hell there are web sites devoted to just that. name a few web sites that show the store with the lowest cost of eggs by area or any store that posts the price of devil dogs on a sign out front. as usual miles you compare apples to toasters to try and support your pointless arguments. the fact is that gas stations sell few products and will remain competative only if forced to but they know that there are plenty of people like you out there. ok so youre lazy. you go for whats easy and freely admit that comparison shopping on such things as groceries is not worth your effort. thats why things we spend far more on that gas continue to rise because of lazy people like you. pick up a friggn paper. in every major city ive ever been too every major grocery store in town has full page ads showing their prices on eggs milk bread etc. youre lazy tbone but at least you admit it. there is nothing lame about it. i know the price of fuel at any station just by driving by it. i dont even have to stop the car and see many of them on my way to do other things almost no real effort. so youre lazy when it comes to the cost of goods that for most exceed the cost of gas as a yearly expense. sorry tbone i put my time where it will save me the most. you on the other hand do whatever is quick and easy. lol as usual you missed the point. if the station across the street is getting customers and is 6 cents higher then it it obvious that the price is not a huge issue and can raise the price as people are still willing to pay it for whatever reasons such as selfishness and lazyness. we did it and the lines went down some but we were still constantly pumping and making more money per tank doing it. the station across the street with no lines and cheaper prices wont raise their price. if they did theyd get even fewer customers. i would rather take the time saved at the pump and use it to find lower prices on goods and services where more of my money goes. thats too much effort for you or your time is already used up waiting in line to save a few cents at the pump. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote it takes little effort to find the best price on gas. hell there are web sites devoted to just that. name a few web sites that show the store with the lowest cost of eggs by area or any store that posts the price of devil dogs on a sign out front. as usual miles you compare apples to toasters to try and support your pointless arguments. the fact is that gas stations sell few products and will remain competative only if forced to but they know that there are plenty of people like you out there. ok so youre lazy. lol. could you possibly get any more desperate. you go for whats easy and freely admit that comparison shopping on such things as groceries is not worth your effort. really where did i say that. what i said was that it is far more difficult. when you go grocery shopping the average person may be looking for 20 or more different items with each one priced differently and each store possibly having different prices for each. to get the best price on everything may require me to visit 5 or more stores and cost at least as much as i would save in fuel. far different than buying just one thing at the lowest price such as fuel but then again you tend to reach for the stars in your lame attempts bo back up your invalid statements. thats why things we spend far more on that gas continue to rise because of lazy people like you. more complete bs. one of the primary causes of price increases is increased energy costs for production and delivery which is in part being caused by people like you not me. pick up a friggn paper. in every major city ive ever been too every major grocery store in town has full page ads showing their prices on eggs milk bread etc. complete bullshit. some may show some sale items or specials and when i see them i do go there but if you think they publish a complete price listing of everything they carry then you really are an idiot. youre lazy tbone but at least you admit it. what does this have to do with being lazy there is nothing lame about it. i know the price of fuel at any station just by driving by it. i dont even have to stop the car and see many of them on my way to do other things almost no real effort. so youre lazy when it comes to the cost of goods that for most exceed the cost of gas as a yearly expense. once again your bias prevents you from seeing reality. sorry tbone i put my time where it will save me the most. you on the other hand do whatever is quick and easy. no you dont. lol as usual you missed the point. if the station across the street is getting customers and is 6 cents higher then it it obvious that the price is not a huge issue and can raise the price as people are still willing to pay it for whatever reasons such as selfishness and lazyness. we did it and the lines went down some but we were still constantly pumping and making more money per tank doing it. the station across the street with no lines and cheaper prices wont raise their price. who said that the station with the lower price had no lines if they did theyd get even fewer customers. no shit but who said that the station with the lower price had no lines i would rather take the time saved at the pump and use it to find lower prices on goods and services where more of my money goes. yea right. you are not even willing to wait a few minutes to save money on fuel so im to believe that you would waste time on anything else. well maybe in your case you would hire illegal immigrants to provide services for you to save money and put americans out of work but that is your nature miles everything for you and fuck everyone else. you more than proved that both in the union thread and just about every one of our business discussions including this one. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone wrote really where did i say that. what i said was that it is far more difficult. when you go grocery shopping the average person may be looking for 20 or more different items with each one priced differently and each store possibly having different prices for each. to get the best price on everything may require me to visit 5 or more stores and cost at least as much as i would save in fuel. far different than buying just one thing at the lowest price such as fuel but then again you tend to reach for the stars in your lame attempts bo back up your invalid statements. ok so youre saying youre too lazy because it is more difficult! thing is for most people gas is not the major expense that they seem to think. money is what they are trying to save yet their main concern tends to be gas rather than where they could really save the most. your excuse that its too difficult for people to spend the time where the savings will be is absurd. complete bullshit. some may show some sale items or specials and when i see them i do go there but if you think they publish a complete price listing of everything they carry then you really are an idiot. who said they list everything they sell you asked specifically about eggs. every week the price of eggs is listed for just about every major grocer in their ads. they almost always list every week all of the major staple food items such as eggs milk cheese bread etc. what does this have to do with being lazy you like so many put a disproportionate emphasis on saving money on gas rather than on items where the savings can be substantial. your reason more difficult. too much effort huh people put such a huge emphasis in their lives regarding gas when many other monthly bills are much larger and the savings gained for effort is far greater. no shit but who said that the station with the lower price had no lines rofl scroll back tbone. thats where the discussion started. i said i wont wait in a 20 minute line to save 5 cents a gallon compared with a station across the street with no line. your response was telling me im to blame for high gas prices. are we going to have to start this whole thread over again because you cant remember your own argument yea right. you are not even willing to wait a few minutes to save money on fuel so im to believe that you would waste time on anything else. 20 minutes in line to save 2 cents a gallon is a poor use of time. spending 20 minutes to go over food bills and save $30 on my grocery bill is a far better use of that time. you take the easy route and save a whopping 54cents 27 gallon tank on my ram anyways. i asked you why people put such a huge emphasis on gas prices when there are far bigger things they could save money on. your answer was that its more difficult gas is easy. good plan. save 54cents. well maybe in your case you would hire illegal immigrants to provide services for you to save money and put americans out of work but that is your nature miles everything for you and fuck everyone else. were talking about gas and saving on monthly expenses and you spin it to illegal immigrants and putting americans out of work good grief! .

From : tbone

tbone wrote really where did i say that. what i said was that it is far more difficult. when you go grocery shopping the average person may be looking for 20 or more different items with each one priced differently and each store possibly having different prices for each. to get the best price on everything may require me to visit 5 or more stores and cost at least as much as i would save in fuel. far different than buying just one thing at the lowest price such as fuel but then again you tend to reach for the stars in your lame attempts bo back up your invalid statements. ok so youre saying youre too lazy because it is more difficult! hahahaha i must say your distorted spin is good for a laugh. i do go to different stores for different groceries but i have found that in most cases the prices are pretty much the same only a different selection of goods. i also buy a lot of groceries at sams club which saves me money. sorry miles but once again you dont know wtf you are talking about. thing is for most people gas is not the major expense that they seem to think. money is what they are trying to save yet their main concern tends to be gas rather than where they could really save the most. your excuse that its too difficult for people to spend the time where the savings will be is absurd. more complete horseshit. how much have the price of groceries gine up in the past year compared to the price of fuel complete bullshit. some may show some sale items or specials and when i see them i do go there but if you think they publish a complete price listing of everything they carry then you really are an idiot. who said they list everything they sell you asked specifically about eggs. every week the price of eggs is listed for just about every major grocer in their ads. they almost always list every week all of the major staple food items such as eggs milk cheese bread etc. some do some dont and they are all about the same price imagine that. i do believe that i said all items in the paprt and the price of eggs on a sign out front. what does this have to do with being lazy you like so many put a disproportionate emphasis on saving money on gas rather than on items where the savings can be substantial. perhaps because the sudden increase in prices in part due to people like you. your reason more difficult. too much effort huh people put such a huge emphasis in their lives regarding gas when many other monthly bills are much larger and the savings gained for effort is far greater. more bullshit and spin. the topic of the thread was how the people could help to control the price of gas not this bullshit spin about saving money for the individual but in your case miles all you really think or care about is yourself anyway. no shit but who said that the station with the lower price had no lines rofl scroll back tbone. thats where the discussion started. i said i wont wait in a 20 minute line to save 5 cents a gallon compared with a station across the street with no line. then this would indicate that the price of gas at the station with no line would be higher not lower so ill ask again who said that the station with no line has a lower price i do find it funny when you manage to spin yourself. your response was telling me im to blame for high gas prices. at least that part you got right and you and those like you are. not for all of it of course but for a measurable amount. yea right. you are not even willing to wait a few minutes to save money on fuel so im to believe that you would waste time on anything else. 20 minutes in line to save 2 cents a gallon is a poor use of time. spending 20 minutes to go over food bills and save $30 on my grocery bill is a far better use of that time. oh yea please explain exactly how you save $30 in 20 minutes. you take the easy route and save a whopping 54cents 27 gallon tank on my ram anyways. it is not just the money i save per visit that matters its helping to regulate the price of fuel for all something that people like you could give a rats ass about. i asked you why people put such a huge emphasis on gas prices when there are far bigger things they could save money on. please list some examples with some real numbers. your answer was that its more difficult gas is easy. good plan. save 54cents. lol all to typical right wing short sightedness. well maybe in your case you would hire illegal immigrants to provide services for you to save money and put americans out of work but that is your nature miles everything for you and fuck everyone else. were talking about gas and saving on monthly expenses and you spin it to illegal immigrants and putting americans out of work good grief! and you turned it into grocery shopping but i noticed that you did not deny it either. i guess that what is not said is

From : miles

tbone wrote more complete horseshit. how much have the price of groceries gine up in the past year compared to the price of fuel what % of yearly expenses is gas for the average person compared with other major expenses the frenzy over saving pennies on gas is not recent. been that way for many many years. it is simply not on par with the % of total bills one has to pay. some do some dont and they are all about the same price imagine that. i do believe that i said all items in the paprt and the price of eggs on a sign out front. no they most certainly are not all the same price every week. youre blind if you dont see price differences between grocers or just too lazy to spend as much effort as you do worrying about saving 2 cents on gas. perhaps because the sudden increase in prices in part due to people like you. people have for over a decade put way more emphasis on gas prices than any other expense. a very disproportionate amount of emphasis on gas vs. larger expenditures where savings are far greater than a couple pennies for gas. yea right. you are not even willing to wait a few minutes to save money on fuel so im to believe that you would waste time on anything else. 20 minutes in line to save 2 cents a gallon is a poor use of time. spending 20 minutes to go over food bills and save $30 on my grocery bill is a far better use of that time. oh yea please explain exactly how you save $30 in 20 minutes. easy. takes me about 20 minutes to look over grocers to see who has this weeks best deals on the things i need. yes i generally save between $20-$40 a week by doing so. if you feel thats impossible then youre too dang lazy to make the effort. but you will wait 20 minutes to save 50 cents a tank of gas....cuz its easy. i asked you why people put such a huge emphasis on gas prices when there are far bigger things they could save money on. please list some examples with some real numbers. i spend $35/wk for gas. you really think that exceeds grocery bills .

From : miles

filleh wrote ...nice tidy little profit http//www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/may2006/02/c2689.html changing who you buy gas from will do nothing to the global price of oil nor the price of gas. using less gas is the only way to have any effect on price. .

From : anon

in 1146594451.260535.210480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com on 2 may 2006 112731 -0700 filleh wrote snip petro-economic urban legend http//www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp the only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. the inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently arent willing to endure however. .

From : johanb

that can really work. please read on and join with us! by now youre probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.00 is super cheap. me too! it is currently $1.10 per litre in my town. now that the oil companies and the opec nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is cheap at $99.5-$1.02.7 we need to take aggressive action to teach them that buyers control the marketplace..not sellers. with the price of gasoline going up more each day we consumers need to take action. the only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! and we can do that without hurting ourselves. how since we all rely on our cars we cant just stop buying gas. but we can have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. heres the idea for the rest of this year dont purchase any gasoline from the two biggest companies which now are petro canada and esso. if they are not selling any gas they will be inclined to reduce their prices. if they reduce their prices the other companies will have to follow suit. but to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. its really simple to do! now dont wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! i am sending this note to 30 people. if each of us send it to at least ten more 30 x 10 = 300 ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more 300 x 10 = 3000...and so on by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people we will have reached over three million consumers. if those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each then 30 million people will have been contacted! if it goes one level further you guessed it..... three hundred million people!!! again all you have to do is send this to 10 people. thats all! if you dont understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well lets face it you just arent a mathematician. but i am so trust me on this one. - how long would all that take if each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt all 300 million people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! ill bet you didnt think you and i had that much potential did you! acting together we can make a difference. if this makes sense to you please pass this message on. i suggest that we not buy from petro-can/esso until they lower their prices to the $0.88 range and keep them down. this can really work .

From : rashputin

in 1146594451.260535.210480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com on 2 may 2006 112731 -0700 filleh wrote snip petro-economic urban legend http//www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp the only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. the inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently arent willing to endure however. reducing the 58 cents on average that its taxed wouldnt help prices a bit would it i guess that if anything is expensive you can make it cheaper by adding more tax too. have a nice day .

From : carolina watercraft works

ill leave this one up to everyone else...i never use exxon anyway. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels ...nice tidy little profit http//www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/may2006/02/c2689.html imperial oil announces first-quarter financial and operating results calgary may 2 /cnw/ - imperial oil today announced net income for the first quarter of 2006 of $591 million or $1.78 a share versus $393 million or $1.12 a share for the same period last year. now on to the message..... this was originally sent by a retired coca cola executive it came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from halliburton. its worth your consideration. join the resistance!!!! do it now! i hear we are going to hit close to $1.40 litre by next summer and it might go higher!! want gasoline prices to come down we need to take some intelligent united action. phillip hollsworth offered this good idea. this makes much more sense than the dont buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last april or may! the oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldnt continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. it was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. but whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. please read on and join with us! by now youre probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.00 is super cheap. me too! it is currently $1.10 per litre in my town. now that the oil companies and the opec nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is cheap at $99.5-$1.02.7 we need to take aggressive action to teach them that buyers control the marketplace..not sellers. with the price of gasoline going up more each day we consumers need to take action. the only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! and we can do that without hurting ourselves. how since we all rely on our cars we cant just stop buying gas. but we can have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. heres the idea for the rest of this year dont purchase any gasoline from the two biggest companies which now are petro canada and esso. if they are not selling any gas they will be inclined to reduce their prices. if they reduce their prices the other companies will have to follow suit. but to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. its really simple to do! now dont wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! i am sending this note to 30 people. if each of us send it to at least ten more 30 x 10 = 300 ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more 300 x 10 = 3000...and so on by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people we will have reached over three million consumers. if those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each then 30 million people will have been contacted! if it goes one level further you guessed it..... three hundred million people!!! again all you have to do is send this to 10 people. thats all! if you dont understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well lets face it you just arent a mathematician. but i am so trust me on this one. - how long would all that take if each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt all 300 million people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! ill bet you didnt think you and i had that much potential did you! acting together we can make a difference. if this makes sense to you please pass this message on. i suggest that we not buy from petro-can/esso until they lower their prices to the $0.88 range and keep them down. this can really work .

From : filleh

very true...people in rural areas have little choice and does anyone really know where their gas comes from...but something has to be done and in urban areas big cities where the majority of us live or where ever possible a boycott might help...and the more people that get this messagehence the cross post the better that chance of change...this is a huge problem for canadians and americans no matter what language they speak and impacts the price of just about everything...so if you want to pay the high price dont bitch dont complain dont do anything... i personally think we are being gouged by the oil companies and the added gas taxes but collectively if we do something like a boycott or going after your elected representative or whatever we can do maybe it can work thats what im trying to accomplish... .

From : tbone

and what exactly do you think is going to pay for that decrease in fuel taxes. i dont like them either but i like increases in property taxes even less. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving in 1146594451.260535.210480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com on 2 may 2006 112731 -0700 filleh wrote snip petro-economic urban legend http//www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp the only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. the inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently arent willing to endure however. reducing the 58 cents on average that its taxed wouldnt help prices a bit would it i guess that if anything is expensive you can make it cheaper by adding more tax too. have a nice day .

From : tbone

if you really want to do something buy a smaller car or carpool. the problem is that it takes real effort to make a difference and the most americans and apparently canadians are too damn lazy to want to be bothered when it is simply much easier to complain. most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving very true...people in rural areas have little choice and does anyone really know where their gas comes from...but something has to be done and in urban areas big cities where the majority of us live or where ever possible a boycott might help...and the more people that get this messagehence the cross post the better that chance of change...this is a huge problem for canadians and americans no matter what language they speak and impacts the price of just about everything...so if you want to pay the high price dont bitch dont complain dont do anything... i personally think we are being gouged by the oil companies and the added gas taxes but collectively if we do something like a boycott or going after your elected representative or whatever we can do maybe it can work thats what im trying to accomplish... .

From : carolina watercraft works

i dont mind driving a little farther for cheaper fuel. but at 10.5 mpg in the city depending on the distance the difference may not matter. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels if you really want to do something buy a smaller car or carpool. the problem is that it takes real effort to make a difference and the most americans and apparently canadians are too damn lazy to want to be bothered when it is simply much easier to complain. most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving very true...people in rural areas have little choice and does anyone really know where their gas comes from...but something has to be done and in urban areas big cities where the majority of us live or where ever possible a boycott might help...and the more people that get this messagehence the cross post the better that chance of change...this is a huge problem for canadians and americans no matter what language they speak and impacts the price of just about everything...so if you want to pay the high price dont bitch dont complain dont do anything... i personally think we are being gouged by the oil companies and the added gas taxes but collectively if we do something like a boycott or going after your elected representative or whatever we can do maybe it can work thats what im trying to accomplish... .

From : my names nobody

boycott assholes that cross post ...nice tidy little profit http//www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/may2006/02/c2689.html imperial oil announces first-quarter financial and operating results calgary may 2 /cnw/ - imperial oil today announced net income for the first quarter of 2006 of $591 million or $1.78 a share versus $393 million or $1.12 a share for the same period last year. now on to the message..... this was originally sent by a retired coca cola executive it came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from halliburton. its worth your consideration. join the resistance!!!! do it now! i hear we are going to hit close to $1.40 litre by next summer and it might go higher!! want gasoline prices to come down we need to take some intelligent united action. phillip hollsworth offered this good idea. this makes much more sense than the dont buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last april or may! the oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldnt continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. it was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. but whoever thought of this idea has come up with a pla

From : miles

johanb wrote boycott assholes that cross post said by someone who just crossposted! go figure. .

From : azwiley1

i guess i am already boycotting them as i never buy gas from them. wait maybe that is because we dont have an exxon or mobile station where i live. i bet you however the gas you buy at 7-11 or where ever comes from one of those two. so what are you accomplishing ...nice tidy little profit http//www.cnw.ca/en/releases/archive/may2006/02/c2689.html imperial oil announces first-quarter financial and operating results calgary may 2 /cnw/ - imperial oil today announced net income for the first quarter of 2006 of $591 million or $1.78 a share versus $393 million or $1.12 a share for the same period last year. now on to the message..... this was originally sent by a retired coca cola executive it came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from halliburton. its worth your consideration. join the resistance!!!! do it now! i hear we are going to hit close to $1.40 litre by next summer and it might go higher!! want gasoline prices to come down we need to take some intelligent united action. phillip hollsworth offered this good idea. this makes much more sense than the dont buy gas on a certain day campaign that was going around last april or may! the oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldnt continue to hurt ourselves by refusing to buy gas. it was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. but whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. please read on and join with us! by now youre probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.00 is super cheap. me too! it is currently $1.10 per litre in my town. now that the oil companies and the opec nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a litre of gas is cheap at $99.5-$1.02.7 we need to take aggressive action to teach them that buyers control the marketplace..not sellers. with the price of gasoline going up more each day we consumers need to take action. the only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! and we can do that without hurting ourselves. how since we all rely on our cars we cant just stop buying gas. but we can have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. heres the idea for the rest of this year dont purchase any gasoline from the two biggest companies which now are petro canada and esso. if they are not selling any gas they will be inclined to reduce their prices. if they reduce their prices the other companies will have to follow suit. but to have an impact we need to reach literally millions of gas buyers. its really simple to do! now dont wimp out on me at this point...keep reading and ill explain how simple it is to reach millions of people!! i am sending this note to 30 people. if each of us send it to at least ten more 30 x 10 = 300 ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more 300 x 10 = 3000...and so on by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people we will have reached over three million consumers. if those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each then 30 million people will have been contacted! if it goes one level further you guessed it..... three hundred million people!!! again all you have to do is send this to 10 people. thats all! if you dont understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people.... well lets face it you just arent a mathematician. but i am so trust me on this one. - how long would all that take if each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt all 300 million people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! ill bet you didnt think you and i had that much potential did you! acting together we can make a difference. if this makes sense to you please pass this message on. i suggest that we not buy from petro-can/esso until they lower their prices to the $0.88 range and keep them down. this can really work .

From : miles

tbone wrote and you refuse to set limits on how much the rich should be able to make compared to the ones working for them so tell me miles whats the difference limit how much someone can make before you tax anything above that at 100% that is an absurd idea. you fail to realize that a corporation is an investment to a person. they have every right to earn what they can on their own investment. same as any other investment. you have stated before that an owner should not be able to continue earning after their initial investment is paid back. that is another of your absurd notions. cant earn a return on ones investment when retired .

From : tbone

tbone wrote and you refuse to set limits on how much the rich should be able to make compared to the ones working for them so tell me miles whats the difference limit how much someone can make before you tax anything above that at 100% that is an absurd idea. yes it is and i never said anything like that. but you seem to see no limit as to how much someone should be paid over someone else in the same company possibly even doing the same work and sorry to burst your bubble but that is just greed any way you try and spin it even with your investment bs. you fail to realize that a corporation is an investment to a person. i fail to see it because in most cases it is complete bullshit as is your investment justification. they have every right to earn what they can on their own investment. just another way of saying all for me and fuck everyone else. and btw there is a huge difference between earning and taking even though you like to substitute take for earn. i guess it makes it sound better that way. same as any other investment. more bs. you have stated before that an owner should not be able to continue earning after their initial investment is paid back. really where what i said was that after the initial investment was paid back the owner is at no more risk than any of his employees which was your reason for the owner constantly take advantage of the situation and screw his workers. that is another of your absurd notions. cant earn a return on ones investment when retired because once you retire you are earning nothing. you and many like you want to take your full salary after retiring and that is just selfish greed that the rest of us have to pay for. if you want the money later then save it like the rest of us or sell the business make your profits and give someone else a chance at your success. the funny thing miles is that i have yet to see a hurst with a luggage rack. i guess you are going to be in for a little surprise in the end lol! -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : b powers international man of mystery

on 4 may 2006 153244 -0700 craig@metronet.com craig@metronet.com wrote come on its ok to admit you are as biased about your opinion on it as i am about mine. well ... sure. everyone has bias. i try to base my bias on facts. organized religion is evil. i have many examples. i dont want it in my government ... and neither did our founding fathers. craig c. i dont know that organized religion is evil. that is a huge over-breadth statement. some people in religions all religions are evil but the religion themselves are not to blame. it is people that make them what they are. like budd. to say that the bible is 99.9% accurate is a pile. it is people with no tolerance like that that end up giving religion a bad name. at the same time religion requires faith which is literally a willingness to without question accept what can not be seen and what can not be proven. the definition itself speaks to the inability to have proof that the religion is right. if you want proof you dont have faith. it requires an unquestioning faith. that is really the rub of it all. if you get people to accept what you can not prove and what they can not say without any question or hesitation.......well..........you just are not going to get people with a great deal of willingness to listen to anything that is contrary to wha

From : none2u

theres always someone who will do anything. and everythings already been done. some people want to chase cents and some people wont. i chase cents by buying small cars for most the times i drive myself around. i have a truck to haul big crap from home depot. if i dont have a load its not getting driven. i got a diesel hatch to haul little crap too. and in case the gas runs out like in the 70s. the bottom line is gas is the same price strategically. like in the us. its more in canada and 6 bucks a gallon in europe. im not going to put my car on a plane because gas is 30 cents a gallon in iraq. they wash their sidewalks with gas because water is more expensive. or 50 cents in abu dhabi. and im not waiting in line for a quarter a gallon for gas. you can try and catch the deals if you have a car sitting around with an empty tank waiting. but i dont. it dont matter how much it is if you dont have a thousand gallon tank in your backyard youre wasting your time. unless you have no life... nobody can make a difference nothing but your own life is in your control and thats barely. and gas is going to 4 dollars a gallon in a year or two. get used to it. once again selfish and ignorant thinking. the point is that if a station is not selling because their price is higher than others then they will really have no choice but to lower it. the problem is that as long as shortsighted people like yourself exist they need have no fear and will charge whatever they want. the sad thing is the cheaper stations see it as well and eventually raise their price allowing the more expensive stations to raise it even further so thank you and those like you for making it harder on the rest of us. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving not true in this area. i know of many stations that are 2-3 cents cheaper and they dont have lines. i wont bother chasing around for 2 cents the gas used to get to the other station is more than you ever would save. the only folks who seem to believe different also seem to believe that elvis is still alive and that solar is the only solution. -- steve w. life is not like a box of chocolates its more like a jar of jalapenos- what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow! really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : miles

tbone wrote yes it is and i never said anything like that. but you seem to see no limit as to how much someone should be paid over someone else in the same company possibly even doing the same work and sorry to burst your bubble but that is just greed any way you try and spin it even with your investment bs. ok tbone. define your limit then. if a ceo of a grocery chain makes 2 million a year then how much should an unskilled worker be paid to put saran wrap on meats sorry to burst your bubble tbone but business exists to make money. thats why they are created. now define the limit with which you rant about so often. numbers please. i fail to see it because in most cases it is complete bullshit as is your investment justification. you fail to realize that someones business is their investment good grief. most private businesses were started by a single or a group of individuals that put alot of their time sweat and money into. it is an investment. just another way of saying all for me and fuck everyone else. and btw there is a huge difference between earning and taking even though you like to substitute take for earn. i guess it makes it sound better that way. i see. so in your perfect scenario people should not be able to build up their own business through their own hard work invest everything they have into it and expect long term gains from their investment. please tell us all tbone what exactly is your perfect business model numbers please. really where what i said was that after the initial investment was paid back the owner is at no more risk than any of his employees which was your reason for the owner constantly take advantage of the situation and screw his workers. tbone you have in the past made it very clear that once the initial investment is paid back the owner shouldnt continue to reap the benefits of his work through retirement. you made it clear if he doesnt work he doesnt deserve anything since he already got his investment back. change of attitude when reality sets in because once you retire you are earning nothing. you and many like you want to take your full salary after retiring and that is just selfish greed that the rest of us have to pay for. so people should not be able to invest throughout their working years for their retirement without some imposed limits on how much they collect during retirement full salary in retirement is greed define full salary numbers please...or is there an amount that anything over that amount is greed geez tbone your perfect world sure seems more and more like communism. i know youll argue that because of the negative conotation of the word but that is exactly what you are preaching. even out everything so nobody is too poor and nobody is too rich. nice happy society in your warped mind. if you want the money later then save it like the rest of us huh the rest of us thats exactly what business owners do. how do they save for later by putting it into their company as an investment. people invest for their retirement. for people who own their own business that is their primary investment. why is it wrong to invest in your own company youre ok if people invest in say stocks of other companies and retire on the gains but its not ok to retire on the gains of ones own company .

From : tbone

the problem is that in order to help control pricing just about all must be willing and you and those like you dont. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule i said most people will wait in long lines for gas to save 2 cents. but they wont wait in lines for similar savings on other products. they are fanatics when it comes to gas. youre right. i wont wait in a massive line to save 40 cents. when it comes to gas most will. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote yes it is and i never said anything like that. but you seem to see no limit as to how much someone should be paid over someone else in the same company possibly even doing the same work and sorry to burst your bubble but that is just greed any way you try and spin it even with your investment bs. ok tbone. define your limit then. if a ceo of a grocery chain makes 2 million a year then how much should an unskilled worker be paid to put saran wrap on meats if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. do you think that is excessive... so do i but no where near as excessive as you ceo. sorry to burst your bubble tbone but business exists to make money. duh no shit but that doesnt negate the level of greed that some includung yourself seem to have about it. thats why they are created. now define the limit with which you rant about so often. numbers please. once again you reach to desperate levels. there can be no set number as there is no set size or responsibilities for any company. i would say and have said many times that the top should not make more than 5 times the amount of the lowest skilled employee and in the example above even with the meat packer at 100000 the ceo is still making 20 times as much. i fail to see it because in most cases it is complete bullshit as is your investment justification. you fail to realize that someones business is their investment good grief. more bullshit. stop trying to mix small business with large corporations in order to make your weak points hold up. most private businesses were started by a single or a group of individuals that put alot of their time sweat and money into. it is an investment. what does that have to do with large public corporations and even with the private companies unless the owner is the sole worker it is not just his/her sweat and time making it work. just another way of saying all for me and fuck everyone else. and btw there is a huge difference between earning and taking even though you like to substitute take for earn. i guess it makes it sound better that way. i see. so in your perfect scenario people should not be able to build up their own business through their own hard work invest everything they have into it and expect long term gains from their investment. please tell us all tbone what exactly is your perfect business model numbers please. once again mixing apples and oranges. i have no problem with people investing in their own business and making good money at it. but there is a difference between long term gains and pure greed like you seem to have. the fact that you keep saying that there should be no limit just shows the extent of your greed because that money has to come from somewhere. really where what i said was that after the initial investment was paid back the owner is at no more risk than any of his employees which was your reason for the owner constantly take advantage of the situation and screw his workers. tbone you have in the past made it very clear that once the initial investment is paid back the owner shouldnt continue to reap the benefits of his work through retirement. if the owner was successful he can sell the business when he retires or live off a pension that he created from the business plus any savings while actually working. you keep forgetting that many of his employees work just as hard if not harder and should be entitled to similar treatment for their blood sweat and time to make that business successful. of course to you the initial investment made 20 years ago makes all the difference. what about those huge public corporations where the ceo has no more stake than the lowest paid worker yet still gets all the perks and benefits while the rest are allowed to keep their job if they work 60+ hours for 37 hours pay. and you wonder why the american work ethic has become what it now is. you made it clear if he doesnt work he doesnt deserve anything since he already got his investment back. change of attitude when reality sets in lol no what i said is that he is no longer at any more risk then his employees. if the company fail he is out of a job nothing more. because once you retire you are earning nothing. you and many like you want to take your full salary after retiring and that is just selfish greed that the rest of us have to pay for. so people should not be able to invest throughout their working years for their retirement without some imposed limits on how much they collect during retirement of course not but they should not be entitled to everything when the ones that help him get there get nothing. that is the definition of greed. full salary in retirement is greed yep if i

From : tbone

on sat 6 may 2006 111523 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy i am at heart. softy huh!! and i thought it was just max that redefined the language at will bfg. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy .

From : Annonymous

on sat 6 may 2006 111523 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy i am at heart. .

From : roy

on sat 6 may 2006 111523 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy i am at heart. miles doesnt personalize or carry a grudge though. it is always good to piss off miles.g roy .

From : Annonymous

on sat 6 may 2006 121732 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 6 may 2006 111523 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy i am at heart. miles doesnt personalize or carry a grudge though. it is always good to piss off miles.g roy now you wouldnt be trying to stir the pot would you roy .

From : miles

theguy@whatever.net wrote yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy enemy that explains alot. .

From : miles

roy wrote miles doesnt personalize or carry a grudge though. it is always good to piss off miles.g i cant remember if im pissed at you for something roy. you gotta remind me now and then if i am. .

From : miles

tbone wrote more bullshit. stop trying to mix small business with large corporations in order to make your weak points hold up. most large coporations started out as small businesses and grew through a lot of hard work from its owners. what does that have to do with large public corporations and even with the private companies unless the owner is the sole worker it is not just his/her sweat and time making it work. they started as small businesses in most cases. once again mixing apples and oranges. i have no problem with people investing in their own business and making good money at it. bull. you want people to make no more than 5 times what the lowest paid worker makes no matter how much the investment in time and money they put into it. really where what i said was that after the initial investment was paid back the owner is at no more risk than any of his employees which was your reason for the owner constantly take advantage of the situation and screw his workers. bull. the owners continue to pump more of their own money back into the company to keep it growing. that is risk. how much of their own money does the worker put into the company to make it grow more lol no what i said is that he is no longer at any more risk then his employees. if the company fail he is out of a job nothing more. you would be wrong. after retirement the owner continues to use the companies retained earnings to invest in growth. he continues to make risks. if the company begins to fail guess what the owner does. he makes a decision to cut his losses or he pumps more of the companies retained earnings which is his money into it to pull it through. he takes the risk financially. the worker is the one that is only out a job. more reaching to the stars huh miles i dont have a problem with some having more than others. i dont have a problem with some having a lot more than others. that is just the way the world works. but there is a point where it becomes excessive and just plain greedy and no matter how you spin it it is what it is. but you cant and wont define how much more is too much except to say nobody should make more than 5 times what the lowest unskilled worker makes. if that were the case you would see almost zero growth in business. why grow if you cant earn any more than you already are youve taken all incentive away. good plan. lol unless you have given yourself a paycut and are making less than your employees so that the extra money can go back into the business you are full of shit. the business is making the money being invested on top of what it is paying you. every $ the company makes in profit belongs to the owners. they decide how much they keep how much is retained and how much is reinvested for growth r&d etc. yea but not you. you just intend to keep collecting your full salary for no work being done. i collect from my own investment. thats called smart planning and i deserve it despite your rhetoric. i put in many decades of hard work and money so that i could retire comfortably from the benifits of making such an investment. you wish to take away the very incentive that drives people to put in that effort. what you want would crush any and all incentives to make a company grow. why grow if nothing is returned on such an investment this really is a dumb idea. what if some competition comes in to your nitch market and shuts you down oh thats right you probably do have significant savings on top of the money you will continue to take from your company. savings is a bad thing now a company certainly can fail. thats why i save for myself as well as hold retained earnings for the company to use in down times. its smart planning that you seem to call greed. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. lol that was funny. this thread needed an injection of humor. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote the problem is that in order to help control pricing just about all must be willing and you and those like you dont. do you do your grocery shopping at 10 or more different grocery stores so you get the lowest price on each item sometimes. it depends on what it is. the difference is that grocery stores sell multiple products so not buying just one will make little difference. if i see a particular store selling everything for a few more cents than another then i stop going there. so i take it you have an excess of free time available to spend shopping all over town for the lowest price on anything you buy more apples to oranges comparisons to back up your non-existent point. supply and demand is the way it is and as long as these stations know that there will be enough idiots around to continue to buy it at any price then what motivation do they have not to raise them -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : Annonymous

on sat 06 may 2006 110027 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy enemy that explains alot. how about antagonist then or adversary they have a nice feel to them. i will try to be more careful in my choice of words in the future. or maybe not. but still i might. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 06 may 2006 181908 gmt tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote on sat 6 may 2006 111523 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote tbone wrote if they can justify paying someone that much then the meat packer should make at least 100000 as they are the ones doing the actual work and the ones your actual health and safety depends on. those damn unions again!gbfg sorry i just glanced at this thread and couldnt resist. please carry on. roy yeah me too. im staying out of this one. i pissed miles off too much the last time i got into the union thing with him. i can only deal with one real enemy at a time. i mean you know what a big softy i am at heart. softy huh!! and i thought it was just max that redefined the language at will bfg. come on youre making me blush. .

From : roy

roy wrote miles doesnt personalize or carry a grudge though. it is always good to piss off miles.g i cant remember if im pissed at you for something roy. you gotta remind me now and then if i am. nah not that i remember. guess we are getting too old to remember. g .

From : filleh

....property tax is a local thing which is in part affected by the cost of fuel indirectly...cost of city maintenace etc. goes up with the rise in fuel prices...here in ontario the original idea was to have the gas tax go back into the infrastructure bridges roads etc...not sure where it all goes now...hey...how about increasing proportionally the tax on oil companies that make huge profits from gouging the pockets of me and you for no reason other than the fact that they can......$591 million versus $393 in the first quarter...200 million more for what....should be a law for making to much money...lol...where the hell is the tax man when you need him... .

From : xclimation

boycotting only hurts the indepedent owner. also if we just simply consume less; then wont the oil companies just raise the price further to maintain profit level the best way to do this is to implement much more efficient safe public transportation; and conserve home heating oil and electricity. in 1146594451.260535.210480@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com on 2 may 2006 112731 -0700 filleh wrote snip petro-economic urban legend http//www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/gasout.asp the only practical way of reducing gasoline prices is through the straightforward means of buying less gasoline not through a simple and painless scheme of just shifting where we buy it. the inconvenience of driving less is a hardship too many people apparently arent willing to endure however. .

From : miles

tbone wrote once again you speak out of your ass. i dont like taxes any more than anyone else but tax cuts for the richest of the rich is typical right wing greed that helps nobody including the rich getting the cuts. the rich got the lowest % of a cut. but you seem to think tax hikes for the rich are always ok no matter what the amount. you refuse to set a limit of how much the rich should be taxed. as long as they are still rich tax them some more. .

From : my names nobody

speak for yourself mr. bone many american and canadian drivers are already doing everything they can driving very small economy cars to and from work etc. yet they are still just as bothered by the big oil companies gouging them by charging over $70 per barrel for oil that cost the big oil companies less than $20 to drill/pump/deliver. this is more similar to the enron power manipulation of a few years ago than not... we cant stop using electricity and most of us cant stop driving. using fuel and electricity are no longer discretionary for 99% of all americans. public transportation still needs fuel. even if you walk to the grocery store the groceries are still getting there in a truck that burns diesel fuel. the farmer who grew the groceries burns lots of fuel too over 120 gallons a day in just one combine... fuel use is not the same as drinking coke or eating twinkies nobodies lives are disrupted if coke wants to charge $300 for a can of coke. big oil price gouging of an necessary commodity is a problem weather you like it or not. if you really want to do something buy a smaller car or carpool. the problem is that it takes real effort to make a difference and the most americans and apparently canadians are too damn lazy to want to be bothered when it is simply much easier to complain. most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving very true...people in rural areas have little choice and does anyone really know where their gas comes from...but something has to be done and in urban areas big cities where the majority of us live or where ever possible a boycott might help...and the more people that get this messagehence the cross post the better that chance of change...this is a huge problem for canadians and americans no matter what language they speak and impacts the price of just about everything...so if you want to pay the high price dont bitch dont complain dont do anything... i personally think we are being gouged by the oil companies and the added gas taxes but collectively if we do something like a boycott or going after your elected representative or whatever we can do maybe it can work thats what im trying to accomplish... .

From : tbone

lol the difference will always matter. if a station is losing big bucks because the station a mile away is 3 cents cheaper do you really not think that they will drop their price to match or maybe even a cent less to get it back they dont because they now the majority cant be bothered and will come to them anyway regardless of what they charge. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving i dont mind driving a little farther for cheaper fuel. but at 10.5 mpg in the city depending on the distance the difference may not matter. -- ------------------------------------------ laszlo almasi ----cool toys formerly carolina watercraft works ----mack daddy trailers ----ice angels if you really want to do something buy a smaller car or carpool. the problem is that it takes real effort to make a difference and the most americans and apparently canadians are too damn lazy to want to be bothered when it is simply much easier to complain. most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving very true...people in rural areas have little choice and does anyone really know where their gas comes from...but something has to be done and in urban areas big cities where the majority of us live or where ever possible a boycott might help...and the more people that get this messagehence the cross post the better that chance of change...this is a huge problem for canadians and americans no matter what language they speak and impacts the price of just about everything...so if you want to pay the high price dont bitch dont complain dont do anything... i personally think we are being gouged by the oil companies and the added gas taxes but collectively if we do something like a boycott or going after your elected representative or whatever we can do maybe it can work thats what im trying to accomplish... .

From : tbone

really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. .

From : miles

tbone wrote and what exactly do you think is going to pay for that decrease in fuel taxes. i dont like them either but i like increases in property taxes even less. i thought you love taxes as we need to pay for all them programs. oh ya as long as its someone else paying them. .

From : miles

tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. .

From : tbone

tbone wrote and what exactly do you think is going to pay for that decrease in fuel taxes. i dont like them either but i like increases in property taxes even less. i thought you love taxes as we need to pay for all them programs. oh ya as long as its someone else paying them. once again you speak out of your ass. i dont like taxes any more than anyone else but tax cuts for the richest of the rich is typical right wing greed that helps nobody including the rich getting the cuts. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : steve w

not true in this area. i know of many stations that are 2-3 cents cheaper and they dont have lines. i wont bother chasing around for 2 cents the gas used to get to the other station is more than you ever would save. the only folks who seem to believe different also seem to believe that elvis is still alive and that solar is the only solution. -- steve w. life is not like a box of chocolates its more like a jar of jalapenos- what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow! really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : eugene nine

steve w. wrote not true in this area. i know of many stations that are 2-3 cents cheaper and they dont have lines. i wont bother chasing around for 2 cents the gas used to get to the other station is more than you ever would save. the only folks who seem to believe different also seem to believe that elvis is still alive and that solar is the only solution. 2-3 cents i see 25 cents difference around here sometimes. .

From : tbone

once again selfish and ignorant thinking. the point is that if a station is not selling because their price is higher than others then they will really have no choice but to lower it. the problem is that as long as shortsighted people like yourself exist they need have no fear and will charge whatever they want. the sad thing is the cheaper stations see it as well and eventually raise their price allowing the more expensive stations to raise it even further so thank you and those like you for making it harder on the rest of us. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving not true in this area. i know of many stations that are 2-3 cents cheaper and they dont have lines. i wont bother chasing around for 2 cents the gas used to get to the other station is more than you ever would save. the only folks who seem to believe different also seem to believe that elvis is still alive and that solar is the only solution. -- steve w. life is not like a box of chocolates its more like a jar of jalapenos- what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow! really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule lol. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. ----== posted via feeds.com - unlimited-unrestricted-secure usenet ==---- http//www.feeds.com the #1 group service in the world! 120000+ groups ----= east and west-coast server farms - total privacy via encryption =---- .

From : miles

tbone wrote really miles not according to you. iirc and i do you made it clear that you cannot be bothered waiting in line to save a few cents because you time is worth more than that and you would probably burn it up waiting in line and the majority seems to feel and do the same thing. i guess when it gets expensive enough even those like you start making exceptions to the rule i said most people will wait in long lines for gas to save 2 cents. but they wont wait in lines for similar savings on other products. they are fanatics when it comes to gas. youre right. i wont wait in a massive line to save 40 cents. when it comes to gas most will. .

From : tbone

and you refuse to set limits on how much the rich should be able to make compared to the ones working for them so tell me miles whats the difference -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving tbone wrote once again you speak out of your ass. i dont like taxes any more than anyone else but tax cuts for the richest of the rich is typical right wing greed that helps nobody including the rich getting the cuts. the rich got the lowest % of a cut. but you seem to think tax hikes for the rich are always ok no matter what the amount. you refuse to set a limit of how much the rich should be taxed. as long as they are still rich tax them some more. .

From : miles

theguy@whatever.net wrote how about antagonist then or adversary they have a nice feel to them. hmmm youre not my enemy antagonist nor adversary. entertainer perhaps. .

From : miles

roy wrote nah not that i remember. guess we are getting too old to remember. g my bother and i have gotten in to some loud arguments. often one of us will suddenly stop get up and say hey i need another beer want one go get a beer for the other and then return to the argument! lol. .

From : Annonymous

on sat 06 may 2006 123710 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote theguy@whatever.net wrote how about antagonist then or adversary they have a nice feel to them. hmmm youre not my enemy antagonist nor adversary. entertainer perhaps. thats enough for me. ill take it. .

From : miles

tbone wrote more apples to oranges comparisons to back up your non-existent point. supply and demand is the way it is and as long as these stations know that there will be enough idiots around to continue to buy it at any price then what motivation do they have not to raise them grocery stores know that as long as there are people who wont drive all over town to do their shopping they can price many items higher than another store. its not apples to oranges at all. these stores compete on everything they sell. people do not go from grocery store to grocery store because its not convenient to do so. same reason they dont drive across town to fill up at a cheaper station unless they were headed that way anyways. .

From : miles

tbone wrote yes they are and you sadly are one of them. by going there you have empowered them to charge whatever they want and it will be only a matter of time before the arco raises their price as well. after all if people are willing to pay 6 cents more why not charge more. why gas and not everything else we buy if people did as you preach they would live their lives in lines and waste gas driving all over town for the latest sale on whatever it is they wish to buy. if arco is lower priced and has no lines they wont raise their prices. thats where your little concept fails! .

From : the other kevin in san diego skiddz at adelphia dot net

on wed 03 may 2006 165534 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. bovine excrement. just yesterday stopped in at the local arco station cuz it was on the side of the street i was driving on at the time. nice lines at all 4 islands. across the street a chevron station with gas 6 cents a gallon more. i drove across the street and spent a whopping $2.00 more on a fill up. 40 gal tank waitng 20 minutes to fuel up isnt worth the $2.00 in savings. its even less when you consider the dimunitive size of the average econo-boxs tank.. people are just stupid. .

From : tbone

the other kevin in san diego skiddz at adelphia dot net wrote in on wed 03 may 2006 165534 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote tbone wrote most cant even be bothered to drive an extra mile to a fuel station that is a few cents a gallon cheaper. thats simply not true at all. people are fanatics about saving 2 cents a gallon on gas. there will be a 15 minute line at one station that is 2 cents cheaper than the one across the street with zero line. people do not put that kind of emphasis on anything else they buy. bovine excrement. just yesterday stopped in at the local arco station cuz it was on the side of the street i was driving on at the time. nice lines at all 4 islands. across the street a chevron station with gas 6 cents a gallon more. i drove across the street and spent a whopping $2.00 more on a fill up. 40 gal tank waitng 20 minutes to fuel up isnt worth the $2.00 in savings. its even less when you consider the dimunitive size of the average econo-boxs tank.. people are just stupid. yes they are and you sadly are one of them. by going there you have empowered them to charge whatever they want and it will be only a matter of time before the arco raises their price as well. after all if people are willing to pay 6 cents more why not charge more. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

tbone wrote yes they are and you sadly are one of them. by going there you have empowered them to charge whatever they want and it will be only a matter of time before the arco raises their price as well. after all if people are willing to pay 6 cents more why not charge more. why gas and not everything else we buy because i really dont see the price of other things increasing as quickly as gas and most stores dont post the price of their product where you can see it from the street. if people did as you preach they would live their lives in lines and waste gas driving all over town for the latest sale on whatever it is they wish to buy. many do and do it on line. come to think of it there are actual sites that do just that. these are just lame excuses miles but if you dont want to do anything to help control the price then dont complain about it. but then again with your level of greed the price should be nothing to you with the money you pay yourself. if arco is lower priced and has no lines they wont raise their prices. is this a comment or a question if the arco sees people still going to the one across the street even at a 6 cent price increase then why not raise the price. i used to work at an arco and we were about 6 to 10 cents less than the mobile across the street. we had lines down the street but when the owner saw the volume build up at the mobil because people didnt want to wait he raised his prices a little. sure the lines went down a little but we still pumped fuel at a steady rate and then the mobile raised their price again. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone wrote why gas and not everything else we buy because i really dont see the price of other things increasing as quickly as gas and most stores dont post the price of their product where you can see it from the street. i see. so you have plenty of time to wait in long gas lines to save a few pennies but you do not have the time to find lower prices for other products. many do and do it on line. come to think of it there are actual sites that do just that. these are just lame excuses miles but if you dont want to do anything to help control the price then dont complain about it. but then again with your level of greed the price should be nothing to you with the money you pay yourself. lol you just made a lame excuse about other stores not showing their price on the street. good grief. is this a comment or a question if the arco sees people still going to the one across the street even at a 6 cent price increase then why not raise the price. if the lower price isnt attracting them then raising them is only going to make it worse not better. .

From : mac davis

on 2 may 2006 112731 -0700 filleh bitemegently@beer.com wrote ...nice tidy little profit thanks for cross posting this nitwit... making a big profit how un-american... boycott everyone.. dont drive.. oh.. make lots more people happy... dont cross post.. mac https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis https//home.comcast.net/mac.davis/woodstuff.htm .