Biodiesel?
From : scott
Q: i did all this with the battery being disconnected for about an hour or two. after cleaning the various plastic surfaces and mounting the cluster i reconnected the battery and again theres no change. when switched to the run ignition position the gauges seem to move to their respective zero positions battery to 8v etc and the odometer will eventually display no bus and the overhead will display ccd. i can however still start the engine the tach reads zero. i found the following http//www.turbodieselregister.com/forums/showpost.phpp=932388&postcount=46 and thought that perhaps it might be relavent. i do have remote lock/alarm/power seats and windows. specifically these symptoms - engine will not start if equipped with vehicle theft alarm - no communication with the drbiii no response from ctm - essentially all ctm controlled devices will not function if the ctm locks-up. there are 2 connectors to this ctm box which is mounted under the dash. but even when its unplugged nothing changes. . 222 320320 1154300043.122761.236410@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott .
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From : max dodge
biodeiesel can be run without mods to the engine. however the usual cautions apply... must be filtered to remove all particulates etc. there are many good sites online to read for info. cummins official statement says that they dont recommend biodiesel simply because no standard of quality exists. by this they mean that no set scale of quality has been put forth for the bio fuel so they cannot say with any assurance what biodiesel will do when burned in their engines. they do say that biodiesel can be run in a cummins but that one should be cautious of power upgrades while running bio because regular diesel may have more power. thus an uprate for bio burning may produce unwanted effects when switching back to mineral diesel fuel. however in reading cummins engines site on this topic you will find that they do not give approval for biodiesel. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott .
From : chris thompson
hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott i have in the past and do still run b20 in both of mine. only thing i have noticed is a reduction in smoke. no real impact on fuel mileage at least not to speak of or power. -- ---------------------------- -chris 05 ctd 06 liberty crd real trucks dont need spark plugs. .
From : snoman
on 30 jul 2006 155403 -0700 scott bigcummins2500@yahoo.com wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel and even the chemists are not quite sure why but it is a problem and given that starting in 2008 that diesel are going to have a lot stricter nox limits than they have escaped in the past this sheds even more of a shadow on biodiesels future. some will say i am being biased but diesels are very big nox generators and have been for years far worse than gas vehicles which have long been strictly regulated on nox and the more you boost them and the worst they get. non turbo diesels are the least offensive nox wise. starting in 08 and later years you are going to see a lot of changes with them and some of them may not be favorable performance wise either as they try to bring them into compliance. with a modern hitech diesel i would stick with good quality straight diesel and limit the usage on bio diesel to older ones 10 years or more older with theor simpler injection systems that are generally more reliable too. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : snoman
on mon 31 jul 2006 070008 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote of course you dont you are spouting off as usual. the only one here with that problem is you. always trying to start something. you must be realy insecure or something. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : max dodge
the only one here with that problem is you. always trying to start something. you must be realy insecure or something. im not trying to start a damn thing. im trying to keep you from misinforming someone without their knowledge. you had so little to say in defense of your bullshit that it shows who is insecure... you replied without anything to say. next time shut the hell up. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on mon 31 jul 2006 070008 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote of course you dont you are spouting off as usual. the only one here with that problem is you. always trying to start something. you must be realy insecure or something. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : max dodge
i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. of course you dont you are spouting off as usual. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel yeah except.... pdf file warning for the dial-up guys http//www.biodiesel.org/pdffiles/fuelfactsheets/emissions.pdf#search=biodiesel%20fuel%20emissions if you read this you notice some things..... such as.... criteria pollutants are reduced with biodiesel use. tests show the use of biodiesel in diesel engines results in substantial reductions of unburned hydrocarbons carbon monoxide and particulate matter. emissions of nitrogen oxides stay the same or are slightly increased. notice that they directly contradict your staterment. and... nitrogen oxides -- nox emissions from biodiesel increase or decrease depending on the engine family and testing procedures. nox emissions a contributing factor in the localized formation of smog and ozone from pure 100% biodiesel increase on average by 10 percent. however biodiesels lack of sulfur allows the use of nox control technologies that cannot be used with conventional diesel. additionally some companies have successfully developed additives to reduce nox emissions in biodiesel blends. notice that in the event of higher no2 emissions the lack of sulphur content allows the use of technologies that were otherwise nullified by the presence of the sulphur in mineral diesel. and even the chemists are not quite sure why but it is a problem apparently the chemists do know why it is and have solved the problem. and given that starting in 2008 that diesel are going to have a lot stricter nox limits than they have escaped in the past this sheds even more of a shadow on biodiesels future. more bullshit from the unenlightened. try reading. some will say i am being biased but diesels are very big nox generators and have been for years far worse than gas vehicles which have long been strictly regulated on nox and the more you boost them and the worst they get. non turbo diesels are the least offensive nox wise. starting in 08 and later years you are going to see a lot of changes with them try 07 or havent you been reading and some of them may not be favorable performance wise either as they try to bring them into compliance. with a modern hitech diesel i would stick with good quality straight diesel and limit the usage on bio diesel to older ones 10 years or more older with theor simpler injection systems that are generally more reliable too. sure you would but you would also drive a 1975 dumptruck with a chevy small block 400 and 6.55 gears if you had a choice. http//www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/ http//journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html http//transit.metrokc.gov/am/vehicles/biodiesel-pilot.html http//www.epa.gov/otaq/models/biodsl.htm http//www.worldenergy.net/product/emissions.asp there is some reading for you snohead...... try and figure it out. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on 30 jul 2006 155403 -0700 scott bigcummins2500@yahoo.com wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel and even the chemists are not quite sure why but it is a problem and given that starting in 2008 that diesel are going to have a lot stricter nox limits than they have escaped in the past this sheds even more of a shadow on biodiesels future. some will say i am being biased but diesels are very big nox generators and have been for years far worse than gas vehicles which have long been strictly regulated on nox and the more you boost them and the worst they get. non turbo diesels are the least offensive nox wise. starting in 08 and later years you are going to see a lot of changes with them and some of them may not be favorable performance wise either as they try to bring them into compliance. with a modern hitech diesel i would stick with good quality straight diesel and limit the usage on bio diesel to older ones 10 years or more older with theor simpler injection systems that are generally more reliable too. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com .
From : justme
on 30 jul 2006 155403 -0700 scott bigcummins2500@yahoo.com wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel and even the chemists are not quite sure why but it is a problem and given that starting in 2008 that diesel are going to have a lot stricter nox limits than they have escaped in the past this sheds even more of a shadow on biodiesels future. some will say i am being biased but diesels are very big nox generators and have been for years far worse than gas vehicles which have long been strictly regulated on nox and the more you boost them and the worst they get. non turbo diesels are the least offensive nox wise. starting in 08 and later years you are going to see a lot of changes with them and some of them may not be favorable performance wise either as they try to bring them into compliance. with a modern hitech diesel i would stick with good quality straight diesel and limit the usage on bio diesel to older ones 10 years or more older with theor simpler injection systems that are generally more reliable too. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com does that mean that biodiesel with work in scotts 82 vw pickup without any modifications or not .
From : max dodge
does that mean that biodiesel with work in scotts 82 vw pickup without any modifications or not ill re-iterate since the point seems to have been lost.... each diesel should be able to burn biodiesel. however it will depend on the individual batch of biod how well each individual engine burns it. -- max there are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty soap ballot jury and ammo. please use in that order. -ed howdershelt author on 30 jul 2006 155403 -0700 scott bigcummins2500@yahoo.com wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel and even the chemists are not quite sure why but it is a problem and given that starting in 2008 that diesel are going to have a lot stricter nox limits than they have escaped in the past this sheds even more of a shadow on biodiesels future. some will say i am being biased but diesels are very big nox generators and have been for years far worse than gas vehicles which have long been strictly regulated on nox and the more you boost them and the worst they get. non turbo diesels are the least offensive nox wise. starting in 08 and later years you are going to see a lot of changes with them and some of them may not be favorable performance wise either as they try to bring them into compliance. with a modern hitech diesel i would stick with good quality straight diesel and limit the usage on bio diesel to older ones 10 years or more older with theor simpler injection systems that are generally more reliable too. ----------------- the snoman www.thesnoman.com does that mean that biodiesel with work in scotts 82 vw pickup without any modifications or not .
From : ray turner
on mon 31 jul 2006 024604 +0000 snoman wrote i do not see biodiesel as a long term solution. it has emission issues particularly with nox which is a good bit higher with higher concentrations of bio fuel... actually depending on whos facts you cite nox bio-emissions are not that much higher than diesel. i dont understand why the industry and government are not working on clean-diesel scrubber technology to zap emissions. if we spent 1% of our military budget on this issue - it would be a non-issue in less than a year. diesels are the most efficient engine around - all of our engines should be running this fuel. .
From : Annonymous
snoman wrote on mon 31 jul 2006 070008 gmt max dodge max340@verizon.net wrote of course you dont you are spouting off as usual. the only one here with that problem is you. always trying to start something. you must be realy insecure or something. i try to keep up with the posts and i realize that none of us are experts on everything. do you we can all contribute as long as our contribution isnt based on the lack of facts resulting in someone going away with the wrong information and possibly fucking up their vehicle. at this point with your posts on cruise control and biodiesel your credibility is seriously scarred. now youre just pissing people off. suggestion stick to what you know when it comes to advising people about their cars/trucks. maxs reading suggestions are recommended ... additionally there are literally thousands of web sites that contain factual information about biodiesel. all you have to do is read. craig c. .
From : jeb
visit tdiclub.com. there are a number of individuals there making there own biodiesel using waste oil or just regular biodiesel. my 2002 jetta likes the biodiesel but does seem to take a small hit in mpg. by the way you might want a newer vw diesel - there are also some listed on the above website. jeb hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott .
From : nosey
scott wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott scott i think you are confusing burning straight vegetable oil svo and biodiesel. in order to burn straight vegetable oil you need to install a kit. the kit basically involves installing a second heated fuel tank. you also have to insulate or heat the fuel lines running from the veg oil tank to the fuel filter. you start and warm up the engine on diesel fuel. when the engine is warm and the oil tank is heated enough you switch to burning vegetable oil. about 5 minutes before shutting the engine off you switch back to burning diesel fuel to flush out the fuel lines and filter. biodiesel is a fuel much like diesel fuel. its made from vegetable oil or animal fats. to burn biodiesel you dont have to alter most diesel vehicles. on some older vehicles like the vw you are considering you might need to change some of the fuel lines. biodiesel will eat away natural rubber fuel lines. i just started making my own biodiesel so im not an expert on the subject but i have done some research. there is an excellent forum that discusses both biodiesel and svo systems at http//biodiesel.infopop.cc/ . i highly recommend reading up on both sections of the forum before you decide which one is right for you. -- ken .
From : scott
nosey wrote scott wrote hey all. i was just wondering about switching to biodiesel because i cant afford to pay $3.00 a gallon for diesel. i found an 1982 vw diesel pickup that get 45-50 mpg. do you have to get a kit to run the biodiesel or just put it in like regular diesel fuel saw on mythbusters that they went and got used vegge oil and ran it in a filter and just put it in an diesel car and it ran with no problem. also has anyone else ran biodiesel in a cummins thanks for all the comments scott scott i think you are confusing burning straight vegetable oil svo and biodiesel. in order to burn straight vegetable oil you need to install a kit. the kit basically involves installing a second heated fuel tank. you also have to insulate or heat the fuel lines running from the veg oil tank to the fuel filter. you start and warm up the engine on diesel fuel. when the engine is warm and the oil tank is heated enough you switch to burning vegetable oil. about 5 minutes before shutting the engine off you switch back to burning diesel fuel to flush out the fuel lines and filter. biodiesel is a fuel much like diesel fuel. its made from vegetable oil or animal fats. to burn biodiesel you dont have to alter most diesel vehicles. on some older vehicles like the vw you are considering you might need to change some of the fuel lines. biodiesel will eat away natural rubber fuel lines. i just started making my own biodiesel so im not an expert on the subject but i have done some research. there is an excellent forum that discusses both biodiesel and svo systems at http//biodiesel.infopop.cc/ . i highly recommend reading up on both sections of the forum before you decide which one is right for you. -- ken thanks for the infomation. thats what i needed to know. i read some sites said running straight vegge oil will work on a diesel but it did not specify of any mods. to the engine. thanks scott .