Bad experience

From : brent d

Q: mr. troll. the web.tv thing gave you away. you should have left that part out. it was almost a convincing post that i would have swallowed myself but bringing the attention to yourself posting from web.tv was what killed it. the post has many of the classic tried and true hoax virus characteristics common usenet trollers use. you picked these 1. identify yourself with the target demograpic. 2. qualifiy yourself as a subject matter expert or claim a personal relationship of one. 3. find a topic you think will spark a controversy within the demographic and take an opposite stand. pretty smooth but no dice. next time try explaining why you are a disgruntled employee and leave out the web.tv and fried computer thing. we also havent had a queen regular here in years. anyone remember her name im thinking it was sue -- reading this group for more than 5 years. .

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From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

denny wrote roy wrote pats by 14 roy rootin for the iggles to lose by less than that maybe even eek out a win. still 0-0 right now. so far so good. talk about a defensive first half.... im thinking the scoring is gonna happen the 4th qtr. someone has to score in the 4th. end of 3rd 14-14. .

From : theguy

writes do not want to go with a dually at this time. imo the choice is simple then get the 2500. i recommended the 3500 dually for 5th wheeling because it handles a lot better in cross wind driving with the rig hooked up. aside from that the dually takes up too much space in the garage. 3500 also has a nicer looking tailgate again in my opinion.. .

From : dale yonz

i hope that you were not suggesting that i was a kid using webtv. no - he said that many trolls happen to be teenage kids with webtv. youre obviously an exception to the age reference. .

From : bigironram

from dodgeewe dodgeewe date 2/3/2005 1048 pm central standard time thanks robert nice to be remembered! -michele ; well youre memorable welcome back!. i hope you had good luck with your sister. have you driven one of the turbo pts therere not too slow not real fast just not too slow to drive. robert .

From : dale yonz

bigironram wrote from dale yonz yonzie@mac.com date 2/5/2005 203 am central standard time remember the gals dodge ewe sophie now im lost sophie was that the one who occasionally crossed over from the camaro firebird group robert i remember a picture of her standing beside an older chev pickup truck i have it saved somewhere 60s something dale .

From : roy

writes i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody the 3500 dually is preferred if youre going to be 5th wheeling but a lot of extra money to be spending if you arent so you probably need to make the 5th wheel decision yes or no before buying the truck. beyond that the 2500 & 3500 have about equal pulling power. the 2500 will get slightly better fuel economy since its a little lighter. just my 2 worth. .

From : roy

i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy .

From : bigironram

from theguy theguy@yourplace.com date 2/5/2005 835 am central standard time roy i hate to tell you this and........believe it or not...............john is still here. john of john@john.com fame robert .

From : roy

i cant do another winter without 4x4. this was the first in almost 30 years. the lightning with blizzaks all around was good but... i havent kept up much with new things beyond 2000. what is the way to go has to be a cummins. although ill hang a plow on it i wont be doing much residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. any thoughts mike tom rabbit anybody roy some thoughts ive pondered on......... i really wouldnt want to drive a drw truck unless it was out on the highway most of the time. keeping an eye on those protruding fenders would be a pita. plus the longer the wheelbase the less maneuverable the truck is.....the longer wheelbase tows more stable than the short wheelbase...... dual rear wheels just dont go thru deep snow like the singles. the outside tire has to cut its own path... agreed ro all of it. the truck i used through the blizzard was a dually and a pia. the new automatics have been holding up well and has no where near the problems of the old ones.the tow/haul feature modifies the shift pattern instead of just locking out the overdrive like it used to. id have no problem with one of them in the driveway....... id only get the cummins if i was going to tow a bunch with it. in this neck of the woods diesel is running about 25-30 cents more than gas so there is not really any savings based on the mpg. i only drive about four miles to work so the diesel wouldnt even be warm till i had to shut it off. the new injection is noticeably more responsive when driving than the older pump driven injection and not near the noise. at idle it is hard to tell its not a gasser....... the 5.7 has been holding up well. i havent seen one over 50k yet but there have been very few problems. the only thing i dont like on the 5.7 is the annoying click-click-click from the valve train at idle. chrysler says this is a characteristic on the motor and to not spend time chasing it down. the 5.7 seems to have enough power to do anything id want it to do. ive been watching the price it is about the same as 93 here. i guess id look at a 3500 srw 4x4 club cab and short bed with auto trans and 5.7. if i wanted all my friends to make fun of me id add heated leather seats to the list but i wouldnt admit it to anybody on this group.... youd admit it. people just seem to have a need to confess. g roy the furry one yeah.... get the heated leather seats! i think id try to figger out what size fiver i want and let that be the criteria for the truck. power wise the 2500 and 3500 are the same. unless you get a big fiver id stay with the 3.73 axle ratio. if your fiver was along the lines of 30 or less id go 2500 and over 30 id go 3500 srw. the 3500 is considerably jouncier than the 2500 unladen which sounds like it would be most of the time. pin weight is whats gonna be the most important and take any manufacturers pin weight with a grain of salt. the figures they publish are empty with no propane batteries or fluids in the tanks. mike .

From : theguy

residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. starting in 03 dodge now offers a 3500 srw option - which gives you greater payload over the 2500 about 1000 lbs which translates into more pin weight for the 5th wheel. if you were looking at a camper id definately suggest a dually. but with a 5th wheel all the weight is centered over the axle so the only benefit becomes less load on the tires since the weight would be spread across all four. as for the transmissions the 48res been holding up very well. the nv5600 is as of the 05.5 model year no more - replaced with a mb g56 transmission. while this transmission supposedly saw lots of duty in trucks overseas its still something new - could be great could be crap... time will tell. you looking at buying new or slightly used .

From : theguy

on sat 05 feb 2005 235804 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote residential plowing so a standard would fit as well as the auto. im also torn between a 2500 and a 3500. in case i should buy a fifth wheel i want to be able to haul it. starting in 03 dodge now offers a 3500 srw option - which gives you greater payload over the 2500 about 1000 lbs which translates into more pin weight for the 5th wheel. if you were looking at a camper id definately suggest a dually. but with a 5th wheel all the weight is centered over the axle so the only benefit becomes less load on the tires since the weight would be spread across all four. as for the transmissions the 48res been holding up very well. the nv5600 is as of the 05.5 model year no more - replaced with a mb g56 transmission. while this transmission supposedly saw lots of duty in trucks overseas its still something new - could be great could be crap... time will tell. you looking at buying new or slightly used i have the 03 srw 3500 ho with the 48re. i tow a fifth wheel with a dry weight of about 8200 pounds and it pulls it great. i had an 01 with the so engine and the 47re and that struggled some pulling the same fifth wheel. this 03 is night and day above the 01. the tranny seems very solid.i got the 3.73 axle ratio which seems well suited for me. i suppose if you were towing heavier you could go to the 4.11 but that would be overkill for me. i read on a tranny site somewhere that the incident of repair rates for the 03 and into the first part of 04 model year for diesels had the ford auto first but the dodge auto was right behind it with a statistically insignificant difference. the chevy auto allison was almost double the incident of repair of the dodge. anyway i love my 03. doubt ill ever need to buy another truck. i only have 14000 miles on it. .

From : jerry

john=a0robertson wrote i have been reading a couple of your posts about dealership and shit all i can say is that my hat is off to the dealership mechanics most of the time they do receive great training and are very helpful. i have never had warranty work mainly because i keep my truck maintained. i did take my older dakota to get the transmission overhauled it was costly but the truck ran great and is still lasting. i dont care to pay the money as long as it for good quality work. keep up the good work brent. john --------------------------------------------------------- thank you john. it is good to hear from people who are satisfied with a dealership and its service department. you are the type of customer that my service manager and i would bend over backwards for. i hope your service department feels the same as i do toward your loyaty. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : theguy

sorry glenn didnt mean to get you started. it feels good to vent though doesnt it in this ng you dont have to kiss the customers butt this allows you to return to work with a fresh mind for the day. this is not to be offensive to the customers but arent those in the service department allowed to be frustrated time to time we need a way to vent like everyone else and the ng works for me. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician. .

From : roy

roy wrote john@john.com was one of my old original akas here. man that was a long time ago. it was fun though. the memories.......its the little things that make life fun. really you are john i doubt it. but just for the hell of it lets find out. do you recall what took you over the edge other than the booze. what was the subject matter i think so roy ................ if you recall he told you last year but you said no then. jerry .

From : theguy

denny wrote jodicheck out this link. these are about the best products that ive found. http//www.meguiars.com/storemeguiars/index.cfm but i gotta tell ya you dont type like you talk funny. vbg denny dats cuz ahm an american. just kinda displaced at the moment. dodge doesnt sell trucks here. from the conversations ive had with the locals specially the farmer/outdoor types theyd make a killin here. i particularly remember one college guy who asked me to rev the v8 4.7litre/liter engine. i missed the expression on his face but the group laughed and he sounded like a five-year-old saying do it again! do it again!!! -d jmc .

From : bigironram

on sat 5 feb 2005 113615 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote on sat 5 feb 2005 070845 -0500 roy roy@home.net wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i have a name that i and the rest of you forgot about. the man of friday night melt down fame. my all time best friend john!! when all was said and down he was by far the best. these other alleged wordsmiths and semi trolls that hang out here couldnt carry his jock imho. roy roy i hate to tell you this and........believe it or not...............john is still here. really as who roy we had this discussion once before. john@john.com was one of my old original akas here. man that was a long time ago. it was fun though. the memories.......its the little things that make life fun. .

From : dale yonz

roy wrote roy wrote you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what going to happen during the half time entertainment at the superbowl dale maybe the friggin rabbit will peel off his pink suit.g roy thats a good one roy .

From : roy

from dale yonz yonzie@mac.com date 2/5/2005 1126 am central standard time bigironram wrote from dale yonz yonzie@mac.com date 2/5/2005 203 am central standard time remember the gals dodge ewe sophie now im lost sophie was that the one who occasionally crossed over from the camaro firebird group robert i remember a picture of her standing beside an older chev pickup truck i have it saved somewhere 60s something dale youre right the chev pickup tweaked my memory. it was emily from alt.autos.camaro.firebird. robert .

From : dale yonz

roy wrote you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so what going to happen during the half time entertainment at the superbowl dale maybe the friggin rabbit will peel off his pink suit.g roy .

From : roy

dodgeewe wrote nay roy cruiser is fine. truck was in a couple accidents none since ive been gone from the group. been thinking about getting rid of the cruiser. i like it and hate it at the same time. its a 4 cyl. ya know driving around in my v8 ram kinda makes me miss the power. but i love the look and the room. im going to the philadelphia auto show on monday... maybe ill see something else i like -michele; hi michele i bet you would look good riding in a a hemi powered magnum. glad to hear from you this is just like an old high school reunion. dale .

From : dale yonz

you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg and im really disappointed that you didnt take the shot.. go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! im with ya there.. denny so ya finally made the move. it is about time.g roy .

From : roy

i have been reading a couple of your posts about dealership and shit all i can say is that my hat is off to the dealership mechanics most of the time they do receive great training and are very helpful. i have never had warranty work mainly because i keep my truck maintained. i did take my older dakota to get the transmission overhauled it was costly but the truck ran great and is still lasting. i dont care to pay the money as long as it for good quality work. keep up the good work brent. john in a simple nutshell i will try to explain the antics of a dealership service department. i can not explain poor dealerships with questionable techncians this is for you to determine. i simply hope my explanation helps you understand why a dealer does what it does. a dealer is monitored by the manufacturer as to how many repairs it does. if a dealer does one particular repair more than other dealers of the same size and zone then a restriction is placed on them for that repair. this is not right but it happens. this can result in a service manager instructing their technicians not to recognize that particular problem to eliminate the restrictions. i would hope that any dealer would ignore these restrictions if the repairs pertained to safety. as many have suggested a dealer will not recognize a problem with the vehicle until it is out of warranty. now you know why. your problem is with chrysler not the dealer. as for an independant repair shop charging less; bullcrap. as a customer you simply picked up the phone and found a shop that charges less per hour. what sense does it make if an independant charges less per hour but charges you more hours because they are not familiar with the vehicle flat rate is a guideline - not a law. a dealership may charge more per hour but charge less hours since they can diagnose the vehicle quicker. this is easy to understand since they are more familiar with that vehicle and its common fallacies. this also does not account for the thousands of dollars per month that a dealer spends on special tools to peform the repairs quicker and more precisely. one individual suggested they had been in a dealer and saw a large amount of dust on the special tools. he could not be more correct. not every tool is used every day what tools are used is determined by the failure rate of specific vehicles. perhaps this individual should spend more attention on their shop than the dealers. one thing to remember is this; unlike an independent a dealer has the right to not use a special tool because at least they have it if they need it. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician john....even that is being takin away we used to be able to sign up for any class that we felt we needed training with.. how long has the pacifica been out the 300c i have not since been to those classes. now you get a car in on a wait basis with a problem and watch the customer yell because they have to wait so long for us not only to figure the system out but then to diagnios it and all that..... brent why did you get me started!!!!! glenn beasley chrysler tech glenn you can get into most any class quickly however your sm has to be proactive. he needs to put you on an interest list on dealer connect for the classes you want. then he needs to monitor dmail daily and wait for the class to pop up and then he needs to enroll you immediately as soon as the class becomes available. its a pita but its the only way i know to get your techs in on the new classes. they have changed certification requirements for 05 so your sm may have more of an incentive now to make sure that he has at least one tech qualified in each skill area. mike chryco service manager member sae mike if it is true that techs are told not to recognize certain problems hats off to glenn cause he cant be blinded how do i get the service i expect from a dealers shop they fixed a leaky valve cover gasket leaking again now and those plugs on the passenger side above the exhaust ports about 16 months ago. im about to put it in the shop again for the valve cover gasket again. im sure they will recognize that. it needs to be repaired warrantee or not. the 03 ho doesnt have the pep it once had just under 60k on it. is this normal or should it be checked out if it is checked out how do i know wether or not they will recognize any problem it is a trust issue i believe. do i straight out ask him if it is on the non-recognition list -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : bigironram

if you put the motor in a bind by incorrect tension between the mounting screws etc. it can cause extreme vibration to occur. it should fit in the duct nicely and fasten smoothly .. anything else might cause probs. second if the fan has been damaged of if you lost any balancing weights then it will shake like crazy. pull the motor and fan and run it outside the box see if it shakes. third make sure you didnt break the box a crack in the duct will allow small imbalance to make a lot of noise. i have a 1995 dakota that i have replaced the heater motor on. let me tell you this is no small task it has started growling and vibrating the whole truck now. i guess there is nothing left to do but tear back in there and replace it again. anyone have similar experience with these blower motors john .

From : bigironram

im just full of questions this week actually found time and enough dry air to wash and wax the truck yesterday winter in england is long days of moderate cold and depressing drippy days. im noticing that theres a lot of inclusions in my paint which i previously removed with a kind of clay. it worked really well. so well my current clay is rather jaggy and will probably scratch if i try to use it again. first question is clay the best way for me to remove the inclusions or is there something better i did buy a german-made liquid wax called mer i think which said itd pull that stuff out but only pulled something less than half of what i can feel. im not sure i like it. since i spent all that time washing/waxing it of course is misty today and the mer isnt beading up properly. if itd stop misting for a bit id try another coat... second question if clay is the best way whats a recommended brand and where can i get it im going back to the us on a business trip this spring and this is on my list of things to buy. third question what do you consider to be a high-quality wax that can help protect my truck from this rather hostile environment even if i was to wash it every day itd be constantly dirty. they grit here nearly every night in the winter because if its actually clear at night it frosts so hard the roads are icy. so even on dry days the roads can be damp and throw up grit which does have salt. and on wet days the roads are wet and throw up grit and mud. jodi longing for spring. or snow. anything but this depressing british drizze. ive a friend that uses zaino on his vette and just loves it. looks great too even after 6 months when he is about to appy it again. the finish is so good he dusts off his car between washes. im going to send for some myself soon. you can find it at http//www.zainostore.com/ and while there learn how to use all the different stuff that they peddle. standard disclaimer; i dont know the owners the workers and dont make anything off of zaino.... -- fmb only one b in fmb .

From : denny

i have been reading a couple of your posts about dealership and shit all i can say is that my hat is off to the dealership mechanics most of the time they do receive great training and are very helpful. i have never had warranty work mainly because i keep my truck maintained. i did take my older dakota to get the transmission overhauled it was costly but the truck ran great and is still lasting. i dont care to pay the money as long as it for good quality work. keep up the good work brent. john in a simple nutshell i will try to explain the antics of a dealership service department. i can not explain poor dealerships with questionable techncians this is for you to determine. i simply hope my explanation helps you understand why a dealer does what it does. a dealer is monitored by the manufacturer as to how many repairs it does. if a dealer does one particular repair more than other dealers of the same size and zone then a restriction is placed on them for that repair. this is not right but it happens. this can result in a service manager instructing their technicians not to recognize that particular problem to eliminate the restrictions. i would hope that any dealer would ignore these restrictions if the repairs pertained to safety. as many have suggested a dealer will not recognize a problem with the vehicle until it is out of warranty. now you know why. your problem is with chrysler not the dealer. as for an independant repair shop charging less; bullcrap. as a customer you simply picked up the phone and found a shop that charges less per hour. what sense does it make if an independant charges less per hour but charges you more hours because they are not familiar with the vehicle flat rate is a guideline - not a law. a dealership may charge more per hour but charge less hours since they can diagnose the vehicle quicker. this is easy to understand since they are more familiar with that vehicle and its common fallacies. this also does not account for the thousands of dollars per month that a dealer spends on special tools to peform the repairs quicker and more precisely. one individual suggested they had been in a dealer and saw a large amount of dust on the special tools. he could not be more correct. not every tool is used every day what tools are used is determined by the failure rate of specific vehicles. perhaps this individual should spend more attention on their shop than the dealers. one thing to remember is this; unlike an independent a dealer has the right to not use a special tool because at least they have it if they need it. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician john....even that is being takin away we used to be able to sign up for any class that we felt we needed training with.. how long has the pacifica been out the 300c i have not since been to those classes. now you get a car in on a wait basis with a problem and watch the customer yell because they have to wait so long for us not only to figure the system out but then to diagnios it and all that..... brent why did you get me started!!!!! glenn beasley chrysler tech glenn you can get into most any class quickly however your sm has to be proactive. he needs to put you on an interest list on dealer connect for the classes you want. then he needs to monitor dmail daily and wait for the class to pop up and then he needs to enroll you immediately as soon as the class becomes available. its a pita but its the only way i know to get your techs in on the new classes. they have changed certification requirements for 05 so your sm may have more of an incentive now to make sure that he has at least one tech qualified in each skill area. mike chryco service manager member sae .

From : theguy

jodi clay is a very good method to remove contaminants from your paint. much better in fact than a cleaner type wax which sounds like mer is. a normal size clay bar is good for approximately 8-10 treatments and then is so full of contaminants that it can begin to gouge the paint. by far the best place to get car care products is griots garage. their website is www.griotsgarage.com although their stuff is a wee bit pricey its good. i use their best of show wax and wax my ram every three months. i have used at one time or another most all their products and they are superior in every way. if they wont ship to gb let me know and i can help. mike im just full of questions this week actually found time and enough dry air to wash and wax the truck yesterday winter in england is long days of moderate cold and depressing drippy days. im noticing that theres a lot of inclusions in my paint which i previously removed with a kind of clay. it worked really well. so well my current clay is rather jaggy and will probably scratch if i try to use it again. first question is clay the best way for me to remove the inclusions or is there something better i did buy a german-made liquid wax called mer i think which said itd pull that stuff out but only pulled something less than half of what i can feel. im not sure i like it. since i spent all that time washing/waxing it of course is misty today and the mer isnt beading up properly. if itd stop misting for a bit id try another coat... second question if clay is the best way whats a recommended brand and where can i get it im going back to the us on a business trip this spring and this is on my list of things to buy. third question what do you consider to be a high-quality wax that can help protect my truck from this rather hostile environment even if i was to wash it every day itd be constantly dirty. they grit here nearly every night in the winter because if its actually clear at night it frosts so hard the roads are icy. so even on dry days the roads can be damp and throw up grit which does have salt. and on wet days the roads are wet and throw up grit and mud. jodi longing for spring. or snow. anything but this depressing british drizze. .

From : roy

im just full of questions this week actually found time and enough dry air to wash and wax the truck yesterday winter in england is long days of moderate cold and depressing drippy days. im noticing that theres a lot of inclusions in my paint which i previously removed with a kind of clay. it worked really well. so well my current clay is rather jaggy and will probably scratch if i try to use it again. first question is clay the best way for me to remove the inclusions or is there something better i did buy a german-made liquid wax called mer i think which said itd pull that stuff out but only pulled something less than half of what i can feel. im not sure i like it. since i spent all that time washing/waxing it of course is misty today and the mer isnt beading up properly. if itd stop misting for a bit id try another coat... second question if clay is the best way whats a recommended brand and where can i get it im going back to the us on a business trip this spring and this is on my list of things to buy. third question what do you consider to be a high-quality wax that can help protect my truck from this rather hostile environment even if i was to wash it every day itd be constantly dirty. they grit here nearly every night in the winter because if its actually clear at night it frosts so hard the roads are icy. so even on dry days the roads can be damp and throw up grit which does have salt. and on wet days the roads are wet and throw up grit and mud. jodi i dont understand what an inclusion is if its like a sap like substance i use wd-40. wd-40 is like the aspirin of the automotive world. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : roy

brent d wrote to theguy; perhaps dealerships would be in trouble if manufacturers allowed warranty work in the open market. i will say one more time though warranty will not sustain a dealership. this means the dealer is pulling a profit from loyal customers. dealerships may be in trouble if this were to happen however i will not be. i have an ability the independents do not fix the vehicle right with factory trained knowledge. consider that when you want your second largest investment repaired. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician i have a question. do factory trained technicians never get fed up with dealership antics like being told to ignore a problem per one of brents other posts and go to an independent an answer of no would be hard for me to believe and should be explained. which would mean that at least some independents *will* have factory-trained techs. the trick would be to find an independent that has a factory-trained tech for your make which id guess wouldnt be easy. like anything else dealerships vary. ive moved around a lot some dealerships suck some dont. and im fairly sure ive experienced the ignore the warranty problem upfront and personal with my old mitsubishi mighty max. the dealership was in a city; i took it there three or 4 times for the engine racing at stops. they could never find the problem they said cause it never did it while they had it. move forward a year or two i move to a small town in north carolina. take the truck in to that dealership they instantly without even looking at the truck knew what the problem was and fixed it free slightly *out* of warranty by a couple hundred miles after hearing my story. i didnt even ask for that consideration they offered it. also i dont see any reason to go to the dealer for stuff that any mechanic should be competent at. i go to the dealer for things that are probably specific to my truck and warranty work. the independent does routine maintenance brakes etc. i have a question. do factory trained technicians never get fed up with dealership antics like being told to ignore a problem per one of brents other posts and go to an independent an answer of no would be hard for me to believe and should be explained sure they do happens all the time but the way the automotive industry is changing all the new systems electronics and all that in just a coupke yrs they arent factory trained anymore if i could only show you the emails and phone calls i get from technicians that are lost now they left and went independent. for what some of the dealers are paying now they cant even find techs anymore. glenn beasley chrysler tech .

From : roy

nosey wrote mr. troll. the web.tv thing gave you away. you should have left that part out. it was almost a convincing post that i would have swallowed myself but bringing the attention to yourself posting from web.tv was what killed it. the post has many of the classic tried and true hoax virus characteristics common usenet trollers use. you picked these 1. identify yourself with the target demograpic. 2. qualifiy yourself as a subject matter expert or claim a personal relationship of one. 3. find a topic you think will spark a controversy within the demographic and take an opposite stand. pretty smooth but no dice. next time try explaining why you are a disgruntled employee and leave out the web.tv and fried computer thing. we also havent had a queen regular here in years. anyone remember her name im thinking it was sue -- reading this group for more than 5 years. dragon lady or dragon something our trans who claimed to have periods dale your thinking of ole phud...phaedra dragon.. which was dds alter ego...depending which way he pulled his pantyhose on of course.. denny richard moses was the name. he is still out there. roy .

From : denny

you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; hes still around over in the chevy truck group. i remind him how good a dodge is every once in a while. g denny chevy truck group!! what are you doing in the chevy truck group i dont get a bunch of rabbit crap from those guys.... vbg why thats consorting with the enemy or sumpin! mike what ive noticed over time from visiting various different groups is how a persons personality will change from group to group. in one ng a poster will be mr. helpfull and then in the next ng he will be the smart-assed troll. and im sure its the same person in both groups. i guess little things amuse me... did i leave myself wide open or what.. g denny this would be toooo easy!! gbfg go pats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! .

From : denny

nay roy cruiser is fine. truck was in a couple accidents none since ive been gone from the group. been thinking about getting rid of the cruiser. i like it and hate it at the same time. its a 4 cyl. ya know driving around in my v8 ram kinda makes me miss the power. but i love the look and the room. im going to the philadelphia auto show on monday... maybe ill see something else i like that 4cyl. has to be tough to live with. maybe a new one i thought they were going to put some grunt into them. roy -michele; -- she is doing good her ram truck and pt cruiser are still rolling along didnt she bust up the cruiser or was that somebody else roy .

From : dale yonz

brent d wrote to theguy; perhaps dealerships would be in trouble if manufacturers allowed warranty work in the open market. i will say one more time though warranty will not sustain a dealership. this means the dealer is pulling a profit from loyal customers. dealerships may be in trouble if this were to happen however i will not be. i have an ability the independents do not fix the vehicle right with factory trained knowledge. consider that when you want your second largest investment repaired. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician i have a question. do factory trained technicians never get fed up with dealership antics like being told to ignore a problem per one of brents other posts and go to an independent an answer of no would be hard for me to believe and should be explained. which would mean that at least some independents *will* have factory-trained techs. the trick would be to find an independent that has a factory-trained tech for your make which id guess wouldnt be easy. like anything else dealerships vary. ive moved around a lot some dealerships suck some dont. and im fairly sure ive experienced the ignore the warranty problem upfront and personal with my old mitsubishi mighty max. the dealership was in a city; i took it there three or 4 times for the engine racing at stops. they could never find the problem they said cause it never did it while they had it. move forward a year or two i move to a small town in north carolina. take the truck in to that dealership they instantly without even looking at the truck knew what the problem was and fixed it free slightly *out* of warranty by a couple hundred miles after hearing my story. i didnt even ask for that consideration they offered it. also i dont see any reason to go to the dealer for stuff that any mechanic should be competent at. i go to the dealer for things that are probably specific to my truck and warranty work. the independent does routine maintenance brakes etc. .

From : dale yonz

on fri 04 feb 2005 221152 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote havent seen him on for a bit and am hoping everything is ok with him. anyone have any i traded a couple of e-mails with him this past week. hes still alive and kicking and working on the cushman. denny he has put more hours into that chushman than nasa has on the space shuttle. will he ever finish beekeep .

From : dale yonz

nosey wrote i dunno ive been in here for a long time now started in 1997 and i believe i remember brent posting as fozzybearc@yahoo.com. seems to me to be the same person attitude and mannerisms as well. i dont recall a sue but i havent been in here continuously 24/7 either can you enlighten me about her now i do remember michelle havent seen anything from her in a very long time. i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. dodge ewe .

From : dale yonz

nosey wrote mr. troll. the web.tv thing gave you away. you should have left that part out. it was almost a convincing post that i would have swallowed myself but bringing the attention to yourself posting from web.tv was what killed it. the post has many of the classic tried and true hoax virus characteristics common usenet trollers use. you picked these 1. identify yourself with the target demograpic. 2. qualifiy yourself as a subject matter expert or claim a personal relationship of one. 3. find a topic you think will spark a controversy within the demographic and take an opposite stand. pretty smooth but no dice. next time try explaining why you are a disgruntled employee and leave out the web.tv and fried computer thing. we also havent had a queen regular here in years. anyone remember her name im thinking it was sue -- reading this group for more than 5 years. dragon lady or dragon something our trans who claimed to have periods dale .

From : mike simmons

remember the customer is always right dale nathan w. collier wrote this simply means that you want every squeak and rattle fixed under warranty i recently bought a truck that stickered for over $44000. if it squeeks or rattles under my warranty period you can damn well bet i want it fixed under warranty. this is afterall why a warranty exists. a service department does not view you as a loyal customer i dont care how a service department views me. i dont go to the service department to make friends or be popular. a service department is not impressed when a technician spends .8 hours driving your vehicle to chase down a rattle only to be reimbursed by chrysler for .2 hours. if you dont like how youre paid find another job. your career choices are not my responsibility nor are they my concern. shortly there after you decline to purchase a badly needed brake job because you can do it yourself. i dont owe you any loyalty what-so-ever. you fix my vehicle per warranty and then our relationship is over until i need you again. i am the customer and your job is to serve me. if you dont like that find another job. read your f#$*!#g manual. its not covered. sell the radio and get it fixed! something legitimately not covered is one thing but the rest of your whining post is ridiculous. .

From : moses horwitz moses

miles so far my thought on google groups is that they kinda suck. any pointers max .

From : denny

i dont see why it wouldnt be the problem. i have put about 200 miles on it since i changed them today and nothing like what was happening last night. they were a good tan color. if the light comes back on then i will go from there but as of right now everything seems to be running pretty sound. the manager at autozone said he has sold about 10-12 sets of plugs for 2003 dodge ram owners in the past month. thanks john thanks for the reply. i took it to the dealer this morning and they couldnt read the obd cause they didnt have the unit in the shop.so i took it to autozone and before i even had it read the guy said it was the plugs. he read the code and it was a cylinder one misfire. he sold me some spark plugs change them had the battery unhooked the whole time got the plugs changed hooked the battery back up and bam no check engine light and my truck was running perfect. i guess changing the plugs every 30000 miles will be my new interval. i just put regular champion plugs back in it. the guy at autozone said i wouldnt need the new plugs and the champions would be more then fine. thanks john hmm.. i went about 45k in my hemi before i changed the plugs and never go a check engine light. were the plugs fouled corroded etc by virtue of disconnecting the battery youve effectively reset the computer/check engine condition. if it comes back on in a few days that prolly wasnt the problem. hopefully you did fix it though. -- moparman---remove clothes to reply! --scud coordinates 32.61204 north 96.92993 west-- .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

isnt anyone else kind of surprised that restore would cure an engine from smoking on start-up which is almost always valve seals or guides i thought the stuff was supposed to fill tiny scratches and etc. in cylinder walls and thats how it provided increased compression and oil control via the rings --nothing to do with the guides which was the problem with this engine. .

From : mike simmons

on fri 04 feb 2005 221152 gmt denny wddodge@woh.rr.com wrote havent seen him on for a bit and am hoping everything is ok with him. anyone have any i traded a couple of e-mails with him this past week. hes still alive and kicking and working on the cushman. denny thanks denny. .

From : greg o

sir i agree with you....and am happy to pay for service both scheduled and unscheduled before and after waurantee. i only ask that that squirel what is called a service advisor be slapped once or twice. dodge is no longer an old mans truck !!!!!! keep up the good work and keep learning. thanks for your good work. henry many of you have suggested i find new employment because i am unhappy with the way i am payed. could we stray any further from the truth i never said i was unhappy. i simply stated that there are too many people standing in the service department demanding an item covered under warranty when it has expired. its not the dealerships fault you never opened the warranty manual that accompanied your new vehicle. it was also suggested that dealerships want the service work as well because we are searching for deeper pockets and customer pay labor times are too high. yes and no. yes i go to work hoping customers will spend money. it might be hard to understand but this is how a business works. dont you go to work for the simple idea of making money so do i. customer pay labor times are higher than warranty for the simple reason that they are more realistic. example a complete overhaul of a 47re automatic pays approx. 9.6 hours under warranty. if i dont breathe fart take a lunch or get a drink of water i might make this time. customer pay is approx. 15 hours. it is more realistic if you want every part cleaned and inspected. can you remove rebuild including the inspection and cleaning of every part and install a diesel automatic in one day yes most times a dealership has a higher labor rate. an independant is not required to purchase thousands of dollars in special tools monthly to complete recalls and needed repairs and prevent unnecessary hammer swinging. the independant does not spend thousands of dollars a year to factory train the technicians to specialize on the vehicle you drive. not every dealership is honest and has the best trained technicians ill give you that. i still find it hard to believe that a person is smart enough and wealthy enough to finance a $45k+ vehicle that they were not educated enough to factor in maintenance and repairs into the monthly budget. if a person is concerned enough with their vehicle and how much they spent to get it to have every squeak and rattle repaired under warranty then they should be concerned enough to have their after-warranty repairs done by a specialized technician - regardless of the small cost difference. if you are happy having a five and dime quick lube service your $45k vehicle then this only shows your ignorance. you are not very concerned with their training experience or product usage. all this to literally save a couple bucks. how sad that you treat your second largest investment remember you pride yourself on reminding the service department how much you paid this way. when was the last time you walked into a quick lube and informed them of the vehicle cost before they serviced it brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : markansas

i em taking for granted that the radiator cap was installed correctly if so wouldnt you loosen in stead of unloosen .

From : bob m

on fri 04 feb 2005 060713 gmt jerry jlrice1655@earthlink.net wrote brent d wrote to jim i do not brag about by certifications i simply reveal them so people do not feel they are receiving advice from a wannabe. you know the same that you informed me as to your career in your post. i simply respond to your response in the same immature manner by saying fuck you back. you were dumb enough to pay for repeated repairs on this truck with out knowing what was going on with it. if you had a bent driveshaft you obviously use the truck hard and should have been complaining of a vibration at highway speeds. reoccuring repairs would not be unexpected. if you feel your bad experience with a bad technician gives you the right to tell every other good and qualified technician to fuck you then you are immature. if the alaskan pipeline cracks a leak can i say fuck you i spit on you damn ................. i can understand someone getting pissed off at a few smart ass customers that are always giving you a hard time but you at this point you are the very reason a lot of people view the customer service department in the bad light which you are complaining about. someone needs to change their medication or brand of beer.......... jerry i gotta agree with jerry. i know there are shitty customers i see some of them come in when im there to get my truck serviced. but i see a whole lot more of bs fromt he service writers to the customers. again man in an open market dealerships lose. if dc opened up their warranty to non dealers you guys would be in trouble. .

From : nathan w collier

have to jump in here....i myself am a technician and business owner and there is no way a job can be completed in the amount of time the manufacturer pays for warranty work. for that reason most manufacturers give deep discounts on future non-warranty parts purchases to make up the difference or a credit towards next years vehicle purchases or some other sort of credit/discount. it varies with each oem but bottom line is it takes longer to complete the task than what the oem pays. the way the oems calculate time is to have one person repeat the task over and over and over as fast as possible. when the tech eventually repeats his time that is that time the oem will normally say is payable. but they neglect to tell you that the tech already has the exact tools laid out that he will be needing for that job and only that job. a normal tech will have to go between his tool chest or get items from the parts department or something. all dealers take the published flat-rate and multiply that by a value and that is what the customer pays. and that is usually the actual time required to complete the task. i do it at my shop as well. -- laszlo almasi carolina watercraft works inc. dont you hate it when money beats out love .

From : denny

nate youre an idiot. coming from the likes of you all i can say is thanks. - as someone else in here said you at this point you are the very reason a lot of people view the customer service department in the bad light. it is really neat how you butcher my postings unlike you i am quoting you....and responding directly. i wouldnt expect much else from such a warranty king. i pity those who trust their vehicles to the likes of you....thats for sure. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

wait a minute nate you actually admitted that you have to pay technicians to do something you cant wow! i thought my response was assinine. if you paid soooooo much money for that vehicle i thought a customer would pay more attention to what was going on with it. i didnt miss the point of the post you missed the point of the response. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : nathan w collier

i never said i was unhappy. .....so dont whine about how youre paid. you chose your line of work and you chose your employer....just like i did. i simply stated that there are too many people standing in the service department demanding an item covered under warranty when it has expired. nobody has questioned expired warranties. and you did state a service department is not impressed when a technician spends .8 hours driving your vehicle to chase down a rattle only to be reimbursed by chrysler for .2 hours. customer pay labor times are higher than warranty ....which explains why they kept soaking jim for this transfer case expenses. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

thanks robert nice to be remembered! -michele ; -- from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 258 am central standard time mr. troll. the web.tv thing gave you away. you should have left that part out. it was almost a convincing post that i would have swallowed myself but bringing the attention to yourself posting from web.tv was what killed it. the post has many of the classic tried and true hoax virus characteristics common usenet trollers use. you picked these 1. identify yourself with the target demograpic. 2. qualifiy yourself as a subject matter expert or claim a personal relationship of one. 3. find a topic you think will spark a controversy within the demographic and take an opposite stand. pretty smooth but no dice. next time try explaining why you are a disgruntled employee and leave out the web.tv and fried computer thing. we also havent had a queen regular here in years. anyone remember her name im thinking it was sue i dunno ive been in here for a long time now started in 1997 and i believe i remember brent posting as fozzybearc@yahoo.com. seems to me to be the same person attitude and mannerisms as well. i dont recall a sue but i havent been in here continuously 24/7 either can you enlighten me about her now i do remember michelle havent seen anything from her in a very long time. robert .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

you guys forgot wiley larry -michele; -- teameuromeko wasnt that sean or do i have him confused with another cannuck sgt. rock picked a fight with the wrong guy - wound up battered bruised and disgraced carlos wasnt paying attention when rock stopped short. became a permanent extension of rocks colon litl jay lost his mind confined to a mental institution. constantly mumbling something about frogs and midgets lee left us for his collegiate aspirations... brian last we heard he was brewing up a huge batch of bio-diesel. then there was a loud bang then nothing... fitch retired to snow-laden pa from the high desert of ca go figure .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

hi! -michele; -- anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert fitch posts on rec.metalworking once in a great while. iirc he moved and has been filling his time with his new place. i wonder what happened to the rest of them you think they would stop in and say hi. most of the ones you mention spent allot of time here. greg .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

turn your ingition on and off 3 times and you will receive the obd code where your odometer reads out. then go to www.obdii.com to find out what the problem is. hi i have a dodge ram 1500 reg cab 4x2 4.7. my truck was running fine this morning had about 1/8th of a tank of gas left so i went to the gas station. i put $25.00 worth of 87 octane in it and went along with my business. this evening i started getting some jerking in my truck. like some intake problem. so i get it home. 45 minutes later i decided to go to a buddies house and it did it again this time i just punched the throttle and about 2 minutes of this cleared the problem up. when i got to my buddies house we decided to go get something to eat and my check engine light come on and the problem persisted again i went to the local advance auto to see if they had a obd reader and they said they didnt have one but the guy recommened lucas fuel injector cleaner. now the problem seems to have gone away. i also took my filter off of my cold air intake and blew some air through it and made sure everything was tight on it. could i have got some bad gas and/or a clogged fuel injector i will take it to the dealer tomorrow and have then run the obd. i thought maybe it might be an air sensor went out causing the surging feeling. thanks for any advice. oh! and i just got my truck out of the body shop today and it was all nice and clean and shiny and now a check engine light....just frustrated this has been the first time it has acted up except for when my girlfriend didnt tighten the gas cap and i got a check engine light fot the evap sensor. john robertson .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

many of you have suggested i find new employment because i am unhappy with the way i am payed. could we stray any further from the truth i never said i was unhappy. i simply stated that there are too many people standing in the service department demanding an item covered under warranty when it has expired. its not the dealerships fault you never opened the warranty manual that accompanied your new vehicle. it was also suggested that dealerships want the service work as well because we are searching for deeper pockets and customer pay labor times are too high. yes and no. yes i go to work hoping customers will spend money. it might be hard to understand but this is how a business works. dont you go to work for the simple idea of making money so do i. customer pay labor times are higher than warranty for the simple reason that they are more realistic. example a complete overhaul of a 47re automatic pays approx. 9.6 hours under warranty. if i dont breathe fart take a lunch or get a drink of water i might make this time. customer pay is approx. 15 hours. it is more realistic if you want every part cleaned and inspected. can you remove rebuild including the inspection and cleaning of every part and install a diesel automatic in one day yes most times a dealership has a higher labor rate. an independant is not required to purchase thousands of dollars in special tools monthly to complete recalls and needed repairs and prevent unnecessary hammer swinging. the independant does not spend thousands of dollars a year to factory train the technicians to specialize on the vehicle you drive. not every dealership is honest and has the best trained technicians ill give you that. i still find it hard to believe that a person is smart enough and wealthy enough to finance a $45k+ vehicle that they were not educated enough to factor in maintenance and repairs into the monthly budget. if a person is concerned enough with their vehicle and how much they spent to get it to have every squeak and rattle repaired under warranty then they should be concerned enough to have their after-warranty repairs done by a specialized technician - regardless of the small cost difference. if you are happy having a five and dime quick lube service your $45k vehicle then this only shows your ignorance. you are not very concerned with their training experience or product usage. all this to literally save a couple bucks. how sad that you treat your second largest investment remember you pride yourself on reminding the service department how much you paid this way. when was the last time you walked into a quick lube and informed them of the vehicle cost before they serviced it brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : dodgeewe dodgeewe

yeah youre full of shit bob. i would never ever buy a pos toyota. still have the ram. taking me through this horrible nasty snow! -michele ; -- bigironram wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i remember her. i was here way back then too. she ended up selling her ram at a huge loss and bought a toyota i think it was. i also remember nate back then too. but i cant remember her real name either. bob .

From : nosey

from mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net date 2/2/2005 757 pm central standard time oh jeez!!! it was all quiet and peaceful and here you hadda go and get beekeep all riled up about his transmission.... damn! yeah it was quiet too quiet! ;- .

From : mike simmons

not sue blake!! it might have gotten it from roy talking about his sue. i also remember tracy sean & tracy getting involved once in a while too and i may have been confusing wives but i dont think so. thing. we also havent had a queen regular here in years. anyone remember her name im thinking it was sue .

From : beekeep

brent d wrote its good to see many of the older group members come forth after my posting. as for nosey who is creeped out by my dragon reference it is i was fishing. im relieved you are not who i thought you might have been. .

From : beekeep

on wed 2 feb 2005 184956 -0700 nathan w. collier montanajeeper@aol.com wrote something legitimately not covered is one thing but the rest of your whining post is ridiculous. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com you can spit out the sinker nate. beekeep .

From : bigironram

sometimes that is all that some people can afford and sometimes the vehicle is simply not worth the cost of putting in a new engine so if a short fix gets it going again then it is exactly the right thing to do. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving nothing like patching a problem with a short fix. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : bigironram

i want to do a flush of my transmission fluid. but i have in my lifetime twisted one too many transmission lines when i attempt to remove it. i own the right tools flare nut wrenches but i somehow ended up kinking the line once... or twice... i dont want to do it again. i only do this once in a blue moon so i cant always remember how to do it. do you a keep the inner nut stationary and then move the outer nut doesnt seem right this is the correct method. b keep the large outer nut stationary and then try to twist the smaller inner nut seems more right nope. i am not sure how you would actually do that. c do some combination of the above to un-jam the double nut so that it turns freely that is first losen the big nut then losen the smaller nut so that you can eventually spin both. actually seems right the problem is that the line sometimes corrodes and jams itself to the outer nut. make sure that the inner nut is held stationary and try and turn the outer nut. if the line moves with it then soak it down with a good penetrating oil not wd40 for a while to release it before continuing. oh and which one is the return line on a 46re whenever the odds are 50/50 i always get it wrong. if i ask it is usually easier. iirc it is always the line connected closest to the radiators water outlet. thanks for the help. good luck. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : beekeep

on wed 2 feb 2005 195319 -0600 mike simmons mikesim@yhti.net wrote yeah i was here when beekeep was honeybs if i recall. i think i gave him the handle beekeep... is that right greg mike damn if i can remember. honeybs is still my email addy and my licence plate number on my truck. seems to me it had something to do with the comic strip b.c. wasnt there a jailer named key keep or something anyhow i needed a name for over in the beekeeping group and settled on this one. i acually behave myself over there! beekeep you do remarkable! ;^ mike .

From : brent d

on 02 feb 2005 230711 gmt bigironram@aol.com bigironram wrote from bigironram@aol.com bigironram date 2/2/2005 457 pm central standard time yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep hey that reminds me. after all your complaining about your transmission and a lot of us posting we hadnt had any troubles ive been meaning to tell you about this. i recall you started a thread 222222 and i think ive seen youre over 240000 miles now anyway the wifes 93 ramcharger a-518 transmission got bad enough to rebuild at 228000 miles. it wasnt really bad yet had converter shudder occasional late shifts letting up on the throttle would prompt an upshift but the thing that prompted the rebuild was flaring on an upshift one time. we had to replace the converter and overdrive section one of the overdrive planet bearings was shot and the drum needed repair. not too bad overall. after all the posts saying the tranny was fine i thought i ought to fess up about this one. robert the old truck now has 253000 miles on it! it goes to aamco next week for its annual inspection. it still shifts real nice and smooth. aamco did what the dealer couldnt plain and simple. ive been real happy with them. beekeep .

From : markansas

to phil indablank. you asked how much more they want. you forget or do not understand that the service department and technicians received 0$ of the $44k spent on the purchase of the vehicle. how does this help the technician put food on the table the same as you need to a dealership monitors each department partssales and service as separate entities. if one fails the rest are sure to follow. warranty pays crap and can not sustain a service department. they are asking for your maintenance work as well as the warranty. after all are they not specialized in recognizing early problems on that particular vehicle brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : jerry

remove the door panel and lube the felt window tracks with silicone spray. if this does not work then a new motor/regulator assembly is in order. the cables are most likely binding and ready to fail. no offense but if you need advice on removing the door panel you should probably have it done at a dealership. if the panel is a challange then the window regulator will be quite the confusion. i say again this is not meant to be offensive. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : nathan w collier

mike simmons wrote btw fitch is alive and well in pa. then i must have been thinking about someone else moving to tehachapi. i could have sworn it was fitch. jerry .

From : jerry

i think what brent was saying in a nutshell is that a good service relationship is a two-way street. thats not what i got from it. i just dont see how i owe it to their service department to pay them to do my brakes in return for honoring the warranty that i already paid for. -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .

From : denny

its good to see many of the older group members come forth after my posting. as for nosey who is creeped out by my dragon reference it is simply because i own a suzuki intruder 1400cc with a custom dragon paint job on the tank. you can question my certifications and abilities all you want that is your right and i take no offense. i posted about my webtv use because computer users seem to think they are superior for some reason and the flamers lead off with it when they have no real response to the issue at hand. as to nathan collier; yes you have a right to have every squeak and rattle repaired under warranty that is what it is there for. do not throw how much you paid for the vehicle in the service departments face. you dont think a dealership knows how much the vehicle goes for it was your choice to spend that much money on a vehicle not the dealerships. if you feel you paid too much for a squeaky vehicle then you are the sucker. judging by the post you are a class one warranty king. just remember that a great portion of new vehicle cost is because of warranty funding. the more you bitch the more it costs. if you feel you can build a perfect vehicle than by all means inform the engineers. nathan you are right. you are not there to make friends in the service department. you are simply the first to whine when your transmission fails 300 miles after the service contract expires. this makes you a warranty king. why should the dealership bend over backwards to care for that transmission when you have not spent a cent in that department; or maybe you are one of those yuppies that have more money than smarts so you trade when the warranty expires. i would be proud of you this would allow people like me to buy the vehicle used since you suffered the $3k+ depreciation as it drove off the lot the first day. brent master ase and gold certified chrysler technician .

From : mike simmons

can an oxygen sensor be faulty and still not be setting code with obdii. oldtimer .

From : mike simmons

this simply means that you want every squeak and rattle fixed under warranty i recently bought a truck that stickered for over $44000. if it squeeks or rattles under my warranty period you can damn well bet i want it fixed under warranty. this is afterall why a warranty exists. a service department does not view you as a loyal customer i dont care how a service department views me. i dont go to the service department to make friends or be popular. a service department is not impressed when a technician spends .8 hours driving your vehicle to chase down a rattle only to be reimbursed by chrysler for .2 hours. if you dont like how youre paid find another job. your career choices are not my responsibility nor are they my concern. shortly there after you decline to purchase a badly needed brake job because you can do it yourself. i dont owe you any loyalty what-so-ever. you fix my vehicle per warranty and then our relationship is over until i need you again. i am the customer and your job is to serve me. if you dont like that find another job. read your f#$*!#g manual. its not covered. sell the radio and get it fixed! something legitimately not covered is one thing but the rest of your whining post is ridiculous. i think what brent was saying in a nutshell is that a good service relationship is a two-way street. mike -- nathan w. collier http//7slotgrille.com http//utilityoffroad.com .

From : roy

roy wrote fitch retired to snow-laden pa from the high desert of ca go figure correct as far as i can remember. roy i thought fitch was living somewhere down in the valley and moved to the high desert very high of tehachapi jerry .

From : bigironram

wulfdog wrote i added a can of the restore for 6 cyl engines to my 95 dakota and it has stopped smoking on start up and is running smoother. thanks guys. john well you should have washed your hands. you got the stuff all over the keyboard and it has made the keys stick. bob .

From : mike simmons

from bigironram@aol.com bigironram date 2/2/2005 457 pm central standard time yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep hey that reminds me. after all your complaining about your transmission and a lot of us posting we hadnt had any troubles ive been meaning to tell you about this. i recall you started a thread 222222 and i think ive seen youre over 240000 miles now anyway the wifes 93 ramcharger a-518 transmission got bad enough to rebuild at 228000 miles. it wasnt really bad yet had converter shudder occasional late shifts letting up on the throttle would prompt an upshift but the thing that prompted the rebuild was flaring on an upshift one time. we had to replace the converter and overdrive section one of the overdrive planet bearings was shot and the drum needed repair. not too bad overall. after all the posts saying the tranny was fine i thought i ought to fess up about this one. robert oh jeez!!! it was all quiet and peaceful and here you hadda go and get beekeep all riled up about his transmission.... damn! btw fitch is alive and well in pa. the missus and i visted him last sept on our rv excursion back east. after we left pa we went to pigeon forge where i met denny and ahem! wasnt invited to his daughters wedding! ;^ mike i guess the least i could have done is invite you down to one of the go-cart tracks to have a little fun. im sure i coulda taken you cause none of the carts had heated leather seats.... vbg denny .

From : nathan w collier

from bigironram@aol.com bigironram date 2/2/2005 457 pm central standard time yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep hey that reminds me. after all your complaining about your transmission and a lot of us posting we hadnt had any troubles ive been meaning to tell you about this. i recall you started a thread 222222 and i think ive seen youre over 240000 miles now anyway the wifes 93 ramcharger a-518 transmission got bad enough to rebuild at 228000 miles. it wasnt really bad yet had converter shudder occasional late shifts letting up on the throttle would prompt an upshift but the thing that prompted the rebuild was flaring on an upshift one time. we had to replace the converter and overdrive section one of the overdrive planet bearings was shot and the drum needed repair. not too bad overall. after all the posts saying the tranny was fine i thought i ought to fess up about this one. robert oh jeez!!! it was all quiet and peaceful and here you hadda go and get beekeep all riled up about his transmission.... damn! btw fitch is alive and well in pa. the missus and i visted him last sept on our rv excursion back east. after we left pa we went to pigeon forge where i met denny and ahem! wasnt invited to his daughters wedding! ;^ mike .

From : nathan w collier

on wed 02 feb 2005 181339 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote i dunno ive been in here for a long time now started in 1997 and i believe i remember brent posting as fozzybearc@yahoo.com. seems to me to be the same person attitude and mannerisms as well. i dont recall a sue but i havent been in here continuously 24/7 either can you enlighten me about her now i do remember michelle havent seen anything from her in a very long time. i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep yeah i was here when beekeep was honeybs if i recall. i think i gave him the handle beekeep... is that right greg mike .

From : greg o

hi all had a 98 dakota that had 200000 miles on it that i loved. needed a catalytic converter + to get thru state inspection so decided to trade it. bought another dakota an 04 with a 3.7 liter. would be happy with the truck if a could get this one problem figured out. after 12000 miles the bolts holding the power steering unit to the engine block snapped. got truck to the dealership and they thought maybe the bolts had been over torqued so basically they just fished the broken pieces out of the engine block and put in new bolts. 10000 miles later the bolts snap again. dont believe dealership has any idea whats going on. anyone out there had similar experience or some idea whats happening are these just aluminum bolts can i get better bolts is the engine block aluminum which would make steel bolts unwise tia cal .

From : bigironram

anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert fitch posts on rec.metalworking once in a great while. iirc he moved and has been filling his time with his new place. i wonder what happened to the rest of them you think they would stop in and say hi. most of the ones you mention spent allot of time here. greg .

From : denny

ad absurdum per aspera wrote this site might prove to be a great help though the m37 basically a pre-slant-six/square-body era dodge power wagon isnt a particularly rare or esoteric thing by their standards http//www.mvpa.org/mambo/index.php didnt the real powerwagon as opposed to powerwagon-tagged light pickup trucks offered later keep the flathead six all the way until the end of production in the late 60s the slant six replaced the flathead for passenger cars and trucks in 1960 but iirc the industrial version of the flathead was kept around until the late 60s and was the only engine in the powerwagon. .

From : denny

from bigironram@aol.com bigironram date 2/2/2005 457 pm central standard time yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep hey that reminds me. after all your complaining about your transmission and a lot of us posting we hadnt had any troubles ive been meaning to tell you about this. i recall you started a thread 222222 and i think ive seen youre over 240000 miles now anyway the wifes 93 ramcharger a-518 transmission got bad enough to rebuild at 228000 miles. it wasnt really bad yet had converter shudder occasional late shifts letting up on the throttle would prompt an upshift but the thing that prompted the rebuild was flaring on an upshift one time. we had to replace the converter and overdrive section one of the overdrive planet bearings was shot and the drum needed repair. not too bad overall. after all the posts saying the tranny was fine i thought i ought to fess up about this one. robert .

From : bigironram

nosey wrote the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. an whats wrong with dragons my dakota is called the dragon cause its big for here were in england green and eats too much i have a dragon email addy which im not about to post on usenet. oh and i was born in the year of the dragon. i could be deranged. after the week im having i most likely will be. jmc jmc the dd that graced us here was a real pos. i dont miss the idiot in the least. denny .

From : beekeep

have you heard about this new hunting reality tv show thats seeking participants its called hunting for bambi and its like fear factor meets girls gone wild. 6 guys get to hunt 12 naked women in the woods with paintball guns. sounds like it should be a new olympic sport if you ask me! definitely better than hunting deer. lol! go to www.huntingforbambi.com if youre interested in signing up. .

From : jerry

this site might prove to be a great help though the m37 basically a pre-slant-six/square-body era dodge power wagon isnt a particularly rare or esoteric thing by their standards http//www.mvpa.org/mambo/index.php see also http//www.dodgepowerwagon.com/main/intro.htm id suggest that you start by reading up on all these things so that you can learn what to look out for. the other thing and i dont mean to sound condescending is that this is not even a stripper model of a modern suv. it is built for serious work and might well have been used for same. this has a large influence on its driving qualities and its lack of creature comforts as does the fact that it is two human generations and several technology generations old. enthusiasts of course think thats all part of its charm. the 230-cube flathead six needs no such quibbles and excuses. it gave smooth and torquey service in trucks and luxury cars alike until the horsepower wars of the 50s finally sidelined it. anyway those are the generalities; it then comes down to the particular vehicle and the pre-auction inspection period. the best case is that you get a good price on a low-mileage lightly-used example of a beast of a machine. the worst case involves 53 years of army-type use and rust belt winters together with auction-fever pricing. best of luck --joe .

From : roy

on wed 02 feb 2005 181339 gmt nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com wrote i dunno ive been in here for a long time now started in 1997 and i believe i remember brent posting as fozzybearc@yahoo.com. seems to me to be the same person attitude and mannerisms as well. i dont recall a sue but i havent been in here continuously 24/7 either can you enlighten me about her now i do remember michelle havent seen anything from her in a very long time. i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. yep brent & michelle used to post here a few years back. they were after little jay i believe. you guys are just newbees here. beekeep .

From : bigironram

nosey wrote the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. an whats wrong with dragons my dakota is called the dragon cause its big for here were in england green and eats too much i have a dragon email addy which im not about to post on usenet. oh and i was born in the year of the dragon. i could be deranged. after the week im having i most likely will be. trust me you really dont want to go there. roy jmc .

From : tom lawrence

teameuromeko wasnt that sean or do i have him confused with another cannuck sgt. rock picked a fight with the wrong guy - wound up battered bruised and disgraced carlos wasnt paying attention when rock stopped short. became a permanent extension of rocks colon litl jay lost his mind confined to a mental institution. constantly mumbling something about frogs and midgets lee left us for his collegiate aspirations... brian last we heard he was brewing up a huge batch of bio-diesel. then there was a loud bang then nothing... fitch retired to snow-laden pa from the high desert of ca go figure correct as far as i can remember. roy .

From : maxpower

teameuromeko wasnt that sean or do i have him confused with another cannuck sgt. rock picked a fight with the wrong guy - wound up battered bruised and disgraced carlos wasnt paying attention when rock stopped short. became a permanent extension of rocks colon litl jay lost his mind confined to a mental institution. constantly mumbling something about frogs and midgets lee left us for his collegiate aspirations... brian last we heard he was brewing up a huge batch of bio-diesel. then there was a loud bang then nothing... fitch retired to snow-laden pa from the high desert of ca go figure .

From : jmc

check the ground on the on the motor before replacing it. but more then likely the brushes are gone in it.. that blower i think was easy to remove take it out and compare them together i would think they may be the same.....by the time you get this heat thing fixed its gonna be summer time so check the a/c now!!! good luck hi glenn yep seems to also be an issue with the blower motor - tapped blower motor body and fan came on low. wonder if the 87 blower motor is the same resistor block wasnt. john .

From : nosey

nosey wrote the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. an whats wrong with dragons my dakota is called the dragon cause its big for here were in england green and eats too much i have a dragon email addy which im not about to post on usenet. oh and i was born in the year of the dragon. i could be deranged. after the week im having i most likely will be. jmc .

From : bob m

oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. i couldnt remember any brent. i guess i have a tongue lashing on the way. dodgeewe thats her. i dont know where sue came from. .

From : nosey

bigironram wrote from nosey kfrei43@removethis.hotmail.com date 2/2/2005 1213 pm central standard time i may be wrong about him but his post just has too many of the signs. the dragon reference in the e-mail address is kinda creepy too. maybe hes deranged. michelle doesnt ring a bell. brent might be able to help us out here. oh yeah id managed to forget about good ol dd. brent has given good advice here in the past dd was less than useless. michelle used to use dodgeewe as her handle in here. sandman nate used to call her dodgebabe. there was another aoler in here who used to keep up with her named mark cant remember his handle right now. anybody else remember folks like rabbit no not denny teameuromeko sgt. rock carlos litl jay lee brian fitch and a bunch of others i cant think of right now nobody needs to take offense i wasnt lumping you all together just rattling off names as i recalled them. robert i remember her. i was here way back then too. she ended up selling her ram at a huge loss and bought a toyota i think it was. i also remember nate back then too. but i cant remember her real name either. bob .

From : bigironram

my 2001 dakota drivers window doesnt roll down easily it is very difficult. i have auto-windows and i press the button but i still have to reach over and pull the window down especially in colder weather. any instructions on how to open the door panel to check this out and maybe what to do .

From : nosey

jason g wrote lawrence says... its not just that theyre including them - the brake controller is an integrated unit now - which means full pcm management fully integrated with abs etc. sorry pcm powertrain control module. its the computer that manages the cummins engine. it relates to the electronic controls that the ford trucks use. for a detailed dodge explanation see http//dodgeram.org/tech/dsl/ecm/ .