Armed citizen stops Utah shooting
From : stormin mormon
Q: this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! agreed. but only after a background check and firearm course. off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday. did the cop hit the gunman .
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From : wolfie
this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! agreed. but only after a background check and firearm course. yawn your point .
From : lugnut
on feb 15 457 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote wolfie wrote all the glass in the new maxie had some tint to it. not enough to suit me though. and to hear that ive been the first to do something is simply astonishing to me. thank you. ;- so is this tinting on the entire windshield or just an anti-glare strip across the top i hope the latter!! the film is cut to fit the entire glass. im not sure i understand your concern. we have some big long white sticks with red tips that weve taped along each side of the car...really gets the attention at crosswalks. and we can always roll down the window and stick our head out if we need a real good look. hell were almost too old to be driving anyway so may as well enjoy it while we can; eh wolfie .
From : roy
on thu 15 feb 2007 232430 gmt tom lawrence tnloaswpraemnmcien5g@earthlink.net wrote though i did not read them all it appears that az might be the easiest state. nope... vermont and now more recently alaska. no permit for ccw required. as long as you can legally possess you can legally carry. that is good within those states but not good if you travel in states that would otherwise have reciprocity with their ccw. iow your permit - or lack of one - is worthless anywhere else. .
From : miles
on feb 15 604 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday.http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/from/et/ -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . glad i live in a right-to-carry
From : napalmheart
on sun 11 feb 2007 155220 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote on sat 10 feb 2007 231532 -0500 napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote he said that he replaced it. but he also said it opened just before the water boiled and it was supposed to be a 195 degree thermostat.... but isnt that where 195*f resides just before water boils 212*f sounds like thermostat is good. fmb north mexico i was taught in my chemistry class that water boiled at 112 degrees farenheight or 100 degrees centigrade.... 212 degrees is pretty friggin hot! wear asbestos gloves near that water! go demand your money back and dont send your children to that instructor. oh and 212*f is pretty friggin hot its where water begins to boil at sea level. 100*c = 212*f http//www.online-calculators.co.uk/conversion/centigradefahrenheit.php fmb north mexico i have to wonder if that was a high school or college chemistry class that would make such a fundamental error. i have to think that it is amazing that no student challenged that information and presented evidence of the truth. ken .
From : miles
wolfie wrote my initial post states that very clearly. my second post reiterates with an emphasis on the cost. judging from your use of a few extra question marks it is my guess that you didnt misunderstand what i said but that a. i am the first person in your life that has ever tinted a windshield or b. you have an opinion youre just dying to express. my moneys on b first off youre dang argumentative for no reason arent ya second youd be wrong. ive never seen anyone tint a windshield other than a small strip across the top to cut glare. most newer cars already have some tinting there from the factory. .
From : tom lawrence
you might as well blame me for slavery while youre at it. you inhumane monster. lol. - -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//glockcarry.com .
From : craig c
though i did not read them all it appears that az might be the easiest state. nope... vermont and now more recently alaska. no permit for ccw required. as long as you can legally possess you can legally carry. .
From : azwiley1
roy wrote i also found a thread on the dtr forum on how to build your own fast idle system for the 2nd gen diesel rams. http//www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.phpt=123156 thats cool. i wish ya would find a way to make my nav system take me around nyc instead of through it.bg roy i too use the old analog nav system. i dont know much about yours. there isnt any way to add stops along the way nope i called alpine they make them for dc. miles has a revised disc he says he will take a look at his and let me know. but it dont look good. roy ken .
From : azwiley1
on feb 15 332 pm wolfie dplusone...@netscape.net wrote on feb 15 226 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote on feb 15 1152 am roy r...@home.net wrote on feb 15 1223 pm roy r...@home.net wrote new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. why do you say that as of one year ago purchasing a weapon is damn near impossible much less carrying one in fact jail time if youre caught with a firearm and a set of tax laws that would choke a horse. - take a look herewww.packing.org then look in state ccw info interesting stuff. roy heres the crime stats i eluded to in my other post in this thread http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm texas got cc in 1996. interesting to see the numbers before and after ... craig c.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i like az man who wouldnt they will honor any states issued and valid ccw permit.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i like az man who wouldnt i dunno man gila bend in august is a touch arid. but i do admire their reciprocity. wolfie- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - yeah you have a point there. .
From : wolfie
on feb 15 226 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote on feb 15 1152 am roy r...@home.net wrote on feb 15 1223 pm roy r...@home.net wrote new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. why do you say that as of one year ago purchasing a weapon is damn near impossible much less carrying one in fact jail time if youre caught with a firearm and a set of tax laws that would choke a horse. - take a look herewww.packing.org then look in state ccw info interesting stuff. roy heres the crime stats i eluded to in my other post in this thread http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm texas got cc in 1996. interesting to see the numbers before and after ... craig c.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i like az man who wouldnt they will honor any states issued and valid ccw permit.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i like az man who wouldnt i dunno man gila bend in august is a touch arid. but i do admire their reciprocity. wolfie .
From : azwiley1
on feb 15 1204 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote on feb 15 1252 pm roy r...@home.net wrote take a look herewww.packing.org then look in state ccw info interesting stuff. good link. jersey is worse than i thought. 1 issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary and new jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits to persons specifically employed in security work . . . and to others who can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self- protection. while nj does issue non resident permits few are allowed and they are harder to obtain than a resident permit. you have to provide a justifiable need to carry. i wonder if i want to kill the criminal before he/she kills me will work texas is pretty easy. take a course. written test. range test. pay the fee and blam ... after they verify that you arent a nutcase you can carry. $140.00 for a four year permit. craig c. though i did not read them all it appears that az might be the easiest state. open carry state no permit required to carry as long as a part of the weapon/holster is visable it is not consealed. ccw course is 8 hours about 65 bucks for it pass the test and get permit for 5 years. .
From : tom lawrence
roy wrote i also found a thread on the dtr forum on how to build your own fast idle system for the 2nd gen diesel rams. http//www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/showthread.phpt=123156 thats cool. i wish ya would find a way to make my nav system take me around nyc instead of through it.bg roy i too use the old analog nav system. i dont know much about yours. there isnt any way to add stops along the way -- ken .
From : craig c
that was yesterday this is today! there is also a rumor circulating that dc and gm are in talks about gm acquiring chrysler........ it doesnt seem to make much sense that gm would want to buy chrysler. what would they be getting out of it they both already have too much capacity and gm is facing bankrupcy. chyrsler would probably already be defunct if they didnt have the deep pockets of daimler. it would seem that for gm to buy chrysler would just serve to put them both out of business sooner. read my post above to find out why. .
From : craig c
on feb 15 1126 am napalmheart olson...@iserv.net wrote some states dont follow the law. new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. why do you say that roy craig c. .
From : roy
on feb 15 1058 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote much lower crime there yes. i posted not too long ago the crime stats for texas since 1996. there has been a sizable drop in nearly all crime but especially violent crime. arming the good guys works. period. craig c. .
From : napalmheart
on feb 15 1126 am napalmheart olson...@iserv.net wrote some states dont follow the law. new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. craig c. .
From : wolfie
roy roy@home.net stated which i commented on below just caught a blurb on the . conn. has been writing tickets for $100.00 for using a cell phone while driving. thats right roy many states are pushing for this. nj already has it in place and pa to follow suit unless they already did. also roy to address your earlier post keep in mind i am not trying to spam you this or any other group. it is a friendly how-to for a factory uconnect that many have tried to put in a vehicle and failed because of dcs complicated wire harness mess. also i dont make one cent out of this. my only satisfaction is that i finally got it working in my own truck and hoped to pass on what i did for others who want the factory uconnect parts to work and not the bullcrap after-the-fact dash mounted unit that mopar accessories sells. ace .
From : tom lawrence
that was yesterday this is today! there is also a rumor circulating that dc and gm are in talks about gm acquiring chrysler........ it doesnt seem to make much sense that gm would want to buy chrysler. what would they be getting out of it they both already have too much capacity and gm is facing bankrupcy. chyrsler would probably already be defunct if they didnt have the deep pockets of daimler. it would seem that for gm to buy chrysler would just serve to put them both out of business sooner. .
From : tom lawrence
i think that some states put some super tough restrictions on ccw permits. my statema makes it kinda tough. but i figure if it keeps a handgun out of a idiots hand so be it. i have no problems with requiring a background check. i have no problems with requiring training. i have a big problem with allowing arbitrary discretion thereby creating an elite class of citizens. imagine if the same type of discretion were given to the issuance of a drivers license something not specifically addressed in the constitution... no im sorry mr. smith - we just dont feel youve provided a justifiable need to operate a motor vehicle. theres plenty of public transportation options available to you. there would be an incredible outrage. but - take a right that the usc says shall not be infringed and infringe the hell out of it... not too many people seem to care. land of the free.... who in the hell are we kidding .
From : tom lawrence
you have to provide a justifiable need to carry. i wonder if i want to kill the criminal before he/she kills me will work nope.... one famous story was of a jewelery store owner applying for a carry permit because he was carrying large amounts of cash to the bank. the judge told him he should hire private security. the owner pointed out that that would cost him almost his entire annual profits. the judge told him he should move. .
From : stormin mormon
on feb 15 604 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday.http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/from/et/ -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . glad i live in a right-to-carry state. and i do. wolfie same here. ken .
From : craig c
ok before you all start in on me yeah yeah yeah i should have bought a real truck! anyway thats ok - your truck and real trucks use the same transfer cases.... so my dilema is where the hell is the leak it doesnt leak in park but the blow out while driving is terrible. tom mike gary g if you are around anyone have any ideas how about the vent tube take a plastic soda bottle stick the end of the vent tube into it and use electrical tape to hold everything in place. this will do two things... one it will catch any fluid that the tc may be puking out the vent tube and secondly it will prevent a venturi effect from drawing fluid out of the tube. after a couple of days check the bottle for fluid. .
From : roy
ok before you all start in on me yeah yeah yeah i should have bought a real truck! anyway i have a leak and cant find the damn thing! i know it is my t/c as i have had to add lube twice in the last month. the rear output seal has been replace as it was leaking there the front seal is not leaking i have power washed it all the areas that i could and everywhere it was cleaned is still clean. i have inspected what i could for cracks punctures holes etc and couldnt see or feel any. so my dilema is where the hell is the leak it doesnt leak in park but the blow out while driving is terrible. tom mike gary g if you are around anyone have any ideas .
From : craig c
on feb 15 1252 pm roy r...@home.net wrote take a look herewww.packing.org then look in state ccw info interesting stuff. good link. jersey is worse than i thought. 1 issuance of the permit is almost completely discretionary and new jersey courts have upheld the policy of strictly limiting permits to persons specifically employed in security work . . . and to others who can establish an urgent necessity for carrying guns for self- protection. while nj does issue non resident permits few are allowed and they are harder to obtain than a resident permit. you have to provide a justifiable need to carry. i wonder if i want to kill the criminal before he/she kills me will work texas is pretty easy. take a course. written test. range test. pay the fee and blam ... after they verify that you arent a nutcase you can carry. $140.00 for a four year permit. craig c. .
From : roy
on feb 15 1223 pm roy r...@home.net wrote new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. why do you say that as of one year ago purchasing a weapon is damn near impossible much less carrying one in fact jail time if youre caught with a firearm and a set of tax laws that would choke a horse. - take a look here www.packing.org then look in state ccw info interesting stuff. roy heres the crime stats i eluded to in my other post in this thread http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm texas got cc in 1996. interesting to see the numbers before and after ... craig c. .
From : craig c
on feb 15 1223 pm roy r...@home.net wrote new jersey for example. kinda communist if you ask me. why do you say that as of one year ago purchasing a weapon is damn near impossible much less carrying one in fact jail time if youre caught with a firearm and a set of tax laws that would choke a horse. - heres the crime stats i eluded to in my other post in this thread http//www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm texas got cc in 1996. interesting to see the numbers before and after ... craig c. .
From : napalmheart
on feb 15 604 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday.http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/from/et/ -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . glad i live in a right-to-carry state. and i do. actually you live ina right to carry country; see us const amend two. wolfie some states dont follow the law. i think that some states put some super tough restrictions on ccw permits. my statema makes it kinda tough. but i figure if it keeps a handgun out of a idiots hand so be it. what i dont like is the restrictions they put on what guns can be sold in the state. they also raised the cost of the permit to $100.00 for 5 years. but we gladly pay it. roy roy ken .
From : geekboy
id be calling around to wrecking yards. -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. .. does anyone know where i might be able to find a transmission linkage for a 1985 dodge ramcharger or is it called a shiftkit thanks tricia .
From : geekboy
tried to start it yesterday morning after an ice storm the maintainence light has been on any suggestions thanks! youre kidding right my truck wont start - thats all we get to go on based on the information given im going to guess a rat ate through your battery cable. .
From : roy
i agree with the benefits on a local basis. however the evil aspects of religion on a more global basis outweighs many of the more localized benefits. wasnt always that way but this world has gotten a lot smaller. i agree completely. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//glockcarry.com .
From : tom lawrence
on mon 12 feb 2007 171107 -0700 nathan in montana montanajeeper@aol.com wrote fred wtf are you talking about and how does it apply to this particular conversation just curious why is it that gays allways put in and the state they live in or from and the state theyre from in their screen names .
From : azwiley1
azwiley1 wrote thats why you live near the mexican boarder man its cooler and you have hunt cans! lol people outside az dont realize how much the climate varies around the state. a couple weeks ago it was 15f below zero in flagstaff. .
From : wolfie
on feb 15 426 pm azwiley1 azwil...@cox.net wrote i like az man who wouldnt people who like temps less than 125. - craig c. .
From : roy
on feb 15 756 am wolfie dplusone...@netscape.net wrote on feb 15 542 am miles n...@nopers.com wrote wolfie wrote but this stuff was $150.00 for the windshield piece alone. so it doesnt take long to add up. you had the windshield tinted my initial post states that very clearly. my second post reiterates with an emphasis on the cost. judging from your use of a few extra question marks it is my guess that you didnt misunderstand what i said but that a. i am the first person in your life that has ever tinted a windshield or b. you have an opinion youre just dying to express. my moneys on b i always try to get a top quality film. being in arizona im more interested in blocking out heat and uv than light. im not sure but i thought the metallic tints are better at blocking uv and heat. i see. well i did what research i could on the subject and found the non-metallic products to be very appealing in features and durability. the studies will show the relative reductions in uv and heat and they are very similar as you will see. and we are not faced with the type of sunlight conditions in southern oregon that exist in arizona so theres a good possibility we might not arrive at the same conclusion. youll just have to try to take my word for it when i tell you i put what i felt was the best product on a brand new car. i cant imagine doing otherwise. but the point of my post is not to convince you or anyone else of what to use. i was merely responding the best way i could based upon my own experiences to the op. wolfie i have an 01 quad cab 4x4.....i hade the back window and the two side ones done for $100.00 at an independent shop...the dealer wanted $300.00 for the same stuff...go figure charlie the oc .
From : stormin mormon
on feb 15 604 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday.http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/from/et/ -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . glad i live in a right-to-carry state. and i do. wolfie .
From : roy
wolfie wrote but this stuff was $150.00 for the windshield piece alone. so it doesnt take long to add up. you had the windshield tinted he wrote he had it filmed. there are clear films out there. 3m makes a 8 mil one that when you throw a brick at the window it wont go through. i always try to get a top quality film. being in arizona im more interested in blocking out heat and uv than light. im not sure but i thought the metallic tints are better at blocking uv and heat. .
From : craig c
my 06 durango hemi mds works fine so far 7000 mi. deactivation switch to 8 cyls occurs when there is increasing load i.e. going uphill. i have read specs somewhere that is runs on 4 cyls about 56% of the time. you can notice the shift if you are watching for it; its not really objectionable at all. usually i have to be watching the tach to be sure its switching. i live in a hilly area birmingham al and have had not any problems or annoyance from it. it is mandatory that 5w-20 oil be used however - if not shifting will supposedly take longer and it will be more noticeable. neither the dealer nor owners manual tell you that but numerous online sources do - and you dont have the usual use this oil weight for this temperature range chart; it says use this. i wont swear that the cylinders dont rotate the active sequence but would be quite surprised if they did - seems an incredible lot of trouble to go to and it would be a nightmare to troubleshoot. unknown how the mds feature could be locked out or why anyone would want to - this is what keeps the fuel economy reasonable. i will say that with my former vehicle a chevy colorado i would go nuts going up hills on cruise - very poorly set up i have been a chevy man most of my life btw. it would lag way back going uphill then downshift two gears and give you whiplash trying to catch up. i finally stopped even trying to use the cruise in hilly country. the 5.7 hemi in contrast has extremely smooth cruise control and rarely drops off more than 1-2 mph even when swapping from 4-8 cyls or vice versa. very nice. - larry a.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - thanks larry thats a good review. regarding why youd lock it out it seems that it doesnt do much for the mileage anyway so if it were noticeable switching id lock it out. my 2003 hemi averages 14.5/19 and once got 20.5 average both ways on a trip from dallas to shreveport and back. if i believe the claims the new mds hemi hasnt improved on that any. best regards martin . 222 330464 1171641648.437941.48520@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com on feb 15 809 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote people outside az dont realize how much the climate varies around the state. a couple weeks ago it was 15f below zero in flagstaff. i have only been to phoenix and yuma on business. both in the summer. it was hotter than the hinges of hell. i dont doubt that flagstaff is much cooler ... and prettier. craig c. .
From : geekboy
on wed 14 feb 2007 191611 -0700 miles nope@nopers.com wrote nathan in montana wrote ive quoted their policy if i quote you the utah law does that mean its enforced the church doesnt enforce it any more than the law does. having lived in the salt lake valley from 1973-95 i can say polyagamy is alive and well throughout the valley. its not hidden away in some remote community its in every surburban neighborhood. in my particular case in my small neighborhood in sandy next door on one side was a sl county sheriff two doors away on the other side was a ployagamist family. right behind the cops house but on another street was another poly family. everyone in the area knew what was going on but there was absolutely no enforcement of the laws of the state regarding plural marraige. these two families dutifully marched off to church every sunday. the manner in which the classic polys dress its kinda hard to miss them. also hard to ignore is the one adult man with several adult women and a grundle of kids in tow. obviously the church tolerated these and countless other poly families. out of one side of its public relations mouth it denounces the practice out of the other side it accepts and tolerates it. just like any other large business it has a glossy front it presents to the general public and its rear end where reality is policy set and implemented. these two facets can be very different from each other. dj .
From : lugnut
napalmheart wrote on sun 11 feb 2007 155220 gmt fmb fmbb@sbcglobal.net wrote on sat 10 feb 2007 231532 -0500 napalmheart olsonfam@iserv.net wrote he said that he replaced it. but he also said it opened just before the water boiled and it was supposed to be a 195 degree thermostat.... but isnt that where 195*f resides just before water boils 212*f sounds like thermostat is good. fmb north mexico i was taught in my chemistry class that water boiled at 112 degrees farenheight or 100 degrees centigrade.... 212 degrees is pretty friggin hot! wear asbestos gloves near that water! go demand your money back and dont send your children to that instructor. oh and 212*f is pretty friggin hot its where water begins to boil at sea level. 100*c = 212*f http//www.online-calculators.co.uk/conversion/centigradefahrenheit.php fmb north mexico i have to wonder if that was a high school
From : hp
in my statenew hampshire the issuing of permits is up to the local police chief. an applicant fills out a form saying that he doesnt suffer from mental healthisnt a felon and is a resident. then a state criminal check is run and if clean its good for 4 years for either $20. or $30.00. im a cop and have been for many years so i dont need a permitalthough i always get one so that i have a history of having permits for the past 30+years. with president bush signing the police protection act i dont need one anywhere. just my dept. id. on feb 15 604 am stormin mormon cayoung61- &spambloc...@hotmail.com wrote this is why we need concealed carry! if it had not been for this off-duty officers concealed weapon many more people would have been killed and seriously wounded! off-duty officer called hero after utah rampage an off-duty officer celebrating an early valentines day with his wife repeatedly fired at a gunman who killed five people and wounded four at a shopping mall and saved the lives of numerous others the police chief said tuesday.http//www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17124042/from/et/ -- christopher a. young you cant shout down a troll. you have to starve them. . glad i live in a right-to-carry state. and i do. actually you live ina right to carry country; see us const amend two. wolfie some states dont follow the law. i think that some states put some super tough restrictions on ccw permits. my statema makes it kinda tough. but i figure if it keeps a handgun out of a idiots hand so be it. what i dont like is the restrictions they put on what guns can be sold in the state. they also raised the cost of the permit to $100.00 for 5 years. but we gladly pay it. roy roy ken the problem is that restrictions on concealed pistol permits dont stop idiots from getting or carrying handguns. the laws only affect those who choose to obey them. i see many such idiots every day as i work in a prison. laws and police are mainly reactive rather than proactive. they clean up messes and put perpetrators in the system. consider this point that pistol-free zones tell criminals that their odds of having armed resistance is much lower if they do their criminal acts in such zones or states. very good point. roy ken .