Amazed! In a bad way.
From : numan
Q: on tue 6 feb 2007 121650 -0600 geekboy white@nerdy.com wrote what is a standard interface something that it is more consistant to write installation instructions to install apps to or configure devices. the different flavors of linux makes this a bit more difficult. ----------------- thesnoman.com .
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From : bill
in comp.os.linux.advocacy geekboy white@nerdy.com wrote on tue 6 feb 2007 121650 -0600 45c8c60a$0$21690$a82e2bb9@reader.athena.com on tue 06 feb 2007 022630 -0600 more advertising americ@degen.org wrote give me a headsup if you think i should do this - why is linux sucha bitch to operate more than anything the lack of a standard user interface or gui.htere are several flavors of them out there some good and some bad and if they can ever get standardized on one style gui they could grow more. more than anything else ms provides the standard gui to write software for and to work with. ----------------- what is a standard interface microsoft windows vistatm presumably. of course that tips the entire problem on its head since x has been standardized long since presumably by the x/open group. but thats part of the problem. what does one see a bunch of windows. microsoft has basically implemented a user/system interaction model involving windows menus mouse clicks etc. that everyone more or less recognizes yes including that dumb horizontal scrolling bar in the file requester! java copied that for some bizarre reason. others have different implementations with somewhat different results. i dont claim that microsoft innovated anything here though they are ubiquitous enough to have commoditized the problem to some extent. im old enough to remember the close icon being in the upper left for example; amiga and athena had some interesting ideas about scroll bars. amiga the scrollbars for intuition/workbench 2.0 or 1.4 placed the up/down/left/right buttons near the lower right -- quite different from the now-more-or-less standard placement of the right/down near the lower right left near the lower left and up near the upper right making troughs with arrows at each end. ive not seen amigas layout anywhere else and am not sure of its real usefulness though it might have been an attempt to minimize mouse movement. i dont remember whether other applications followed suit. i dont know if this was kept in 3.0. scrollbars could also be shifted by clicking in the trench. athena classical athena scrollbars used all three mouse buttons. - left move up or left with the proportion dependent on the distance from the top or left and the current cursor position. - right move down or right with otherwise similar semantics to left. - middle drag to the desired position. there was no concept of clicking in the trench. this is quite different from the one button mode used by every other gui i can think of offhand. to be fair these were remappable if one wanted to bother tweaking resource files. one can also customize some applications to move the scrollbars around. some applications are hot -- the window updates as the scrollbar moves. there are also issues with the thumbwheel which in x shows up as buttons 4 and 5. many apps interpret these as commands to scroll up or down and may interpret them as other commands if shift or ctrl is pressed. ctrl-thumb in epiphany allows for font resizing for example; shift-thumb goes through the url history. if one positions the cursor on a tab in epiphany thumb will move through the tabs. windows had the slightly annoying issue -- that could be construed as a godsend if ones careful enough -- that if one moved off the scrollbar while dragging the scrollbar snaps back to its original position. one can also press esc. for the most part gnome and kde follow the x model a grabbed scrollbar is grabbed until released regardless of where the pointer and in some cases the editing cursor ends up. there is also the cut/copy/paste issue. x used two mouse buttons again plus the notion that only one client could select * a range of something at a time. this is enforced at the protocol/xlib level in fact. windows and i think apple as well used the x c and v keys along with a modified -- in windows ctrl and apple uses an option button which looks a bit like a four-leaf clover. nowadays gnome and kde are copying windows since most x86 pc keyboards dont have a flower - . i do not know precisely how the windows clipboarding works. x has a rotating text clipboard; the apps could either use that or the selection protocol. i will briefly mention menus apple the menu for whatever window was active is always at the upper left. one selects items by pressing then dragging down then releasing or by clicking dragging down and clicking again -- i forget which. maybe both. amiga amiga is a modified apple. instead of having an always up menubar one presses the right mouse button; the menubar then appears overlaying the current screen titlebar. one can then move the pointer to the appropriate item which drops down the requisite menu. releasing the button selects the item and visually removes the menubar. moving the pointer off the menu rolls up the m
From : chuck dubois
budd cochran wrote the bible covers this when in matthew iirc jesus talked to the crowd about not following if someone comes along and says the messiah is in the desert another messiah. iow if another comes along claiming to have found a messiah and not the one found in the bible then dont believe them. this is what joseph smith has done and what makes it even more odd they teach the bible is incorrect yet they use selected portions to prove themselves always out of context. to compound the matter none of their doctrinal books doctrine and covenants for example even follows the book of mormon which teaches a triune god not polytheism. the palmyra new york court system has on record convictions against joseph smith as a fortune teller diviner fortune finder and con artist. it is recorded that he married multiple wives after sending their husbands on missions for the church yet claimed he did no such thing lying. jesus before he began his ministry was a carpenter. which would you find more believable a crook or a carpenter why was that carpenter nailed up on a cross according to the bible jesus was fully god and fully man conceived by the power of the holy spirit and not thru sex with the holy spiritas the lds believe. he lived a sinless life as a child in nazareth and was taught his eartly fathers trade carpentry. he came to teach man the truth that we are not worthy of gods notice that we cannot become worthy of gods love by our efforts to love one another to do all we can for each other even our enemies. to make us acceptable sinless for gods love and a place with god in heaven he was the sacrifice for all of mankinds sins on the cross to erase those sins. three days later by the jewish reckoning of days he rose from the dead to bring us as believers eternal life with god in glory be it the time in heaven or in the new jerusalem. before he returned to heaven and the right hand of god he commissioned all believers to spread the truth correct and rebuke errors and watch for his return. why was he nailed up to the cross for you and me and t-bone and larry and roy and everyone else. yeah that too. but i was asking about the chain of events that lead to the crucifixion. my point was that barabbas a crook was set free but the sinless carpenter was crucified by popular demand. people dont always side with the carpenter. and sometimes people do gods will without realizing it in order to eradicate the sins of all men jesus had to be sacrificed as the lamb the traditional sin offering was an unblemished lamb of god to do so required the jews offer him to be killed so they set barrabas free and crucified the lamb. now just who killed jesus everyone of us. i just deleted a long account of the denominations that i visited after joining the navy. the more i wrote the more depressing it got. i do think you would have liked the part about the singing and dancing church. i think that really /was/ reverend cleophus james. we sing nothing against it in the bible we dance again it is not condemned unless it is done to arouse sexual passions with someone the dancer is not married to iow a stripper stripping for money is a sin. im not trying to tell you its wrong for you to sing and dance in church. i couldnt keep up with them. lol i cant either any more. but i do have a slow dance with my wife on our anniversary and valentines day. i thought the reverend cleophus james reference would have tipped you off. if you still dont know who he is watch this video of him in action http//www.youtube.com/watchv=o9-rgodansc it was just like that but without the vertical leaps. i didnt recognize the name as ive neve watched all of the blues brothers but i know what you mean. some baptists get rather enthusiastic but it doesnt mean they are not scriptural. king david danced before the lord as the ark was being carried to the threshing floor. i have some difficulty with pastors that only preach the salvation message hellfire brimstone and damnation even when they know there isnt anyone unsaved in the audience but never teach what the bible says. for years this was common among the southern baptists for example but in the past few years more pastors are teaching the word before leading into the invitation. today at the parts plus store still trying to sort out that danged lebaron a604 transmission i saw a late 70s chevy / gmc no badge but obviously one or the other because of the saddle tanks with a badge on its side that said f250 and another that said powerstroke. badging the truck as a ford did not make it one and neither will claiming to be christian make a denomination christian only following what the bible teaches as it is written can do that. maybe his truck made him mad and he was punishing it. rotflmbo!!! maybe he was trying to get an upgrade to work ; budd -- posted via a free usenet account from ht
From : scott
i thought that this group was about trucks not whos the biggest asshole .what good does knowing who the biggest asshole do to make my truck run better !!!!!!!!! if ya dont fucking like it dont fucking read it! who let the fucking net nanny in .
From : bill
on feb 6 541 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on feb 6 324 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on feb 6 254 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on feb 6 902 am roy r...@home.net wrote but you learned how to spell the name of the truck you are driving. thanks for proving my point roy. well i figure that if ya come on like a asshole ya get treated like one. maybe you should either lighten up of get a thicker skin. now that i think about it didnt you have a problem with your cruise or od dropping out i remember a deal with the tps brake light switch.... i believe you received the help you needed with no problem. but then again i could be wrong impossible you practice buddism! ya friggin heathen! with buddism ya can say and do whatever the hell ya want and be correct. if ya want i suppose i can google our offended mr. ring and see if im correct or not. blah blah blah. i am starting to think all the brow beating from budd has converted you roy. bg im not converted to anything. but i was shown a way to do say anything ya want and always be correct. i just named it buddism after its chief practicioner. hey it works since i am the one that has been accused of being offensive how could he be offended if i have never talked to him i went through google and didnt see the post he was talking about. the hell with it.- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - just slow down there roy. i hope you didnt hurt your shoulder again typing that response. first of all my original post was not targeting you and was a general response to the original post. you responded to my post with a response exactly like what i was talking about so i just called you on it and it obviously hurt your feelings. i have as much right to respond to your remarks as you do to mine. your right you and tom lawernce helped me fix my truck. you didnt have to go on a covert mission to figure that out you could have just asked. you failed to report that i posted my gratitude to you and tom after fixing my truck. i am not as easily offended as you appear to be. like i said was just sharing my two cents like every other post. thats what this is about isnt it i dont think that im the one in this discussion with a skin thickness problem. besides i dont believe in buddism. .