About 2008 Dodge Avenger SE

From : takeauto

Q: update i talked to the shop foreman at the local jeep dealership. this filter is an in-line filter that resides in one of the vacuum lines. apparently this engine and turbo use quite a different set up than the cummins ram. he stated that he has never seen one go bad. ive never known a filter to go bad but assuming he meant get clogged up. the maintenance guide recommends inspecting this item at every oil change and replacement at 50k iirc. the fsm doesnt say anything meaningful about it that i can find. ill post any further information that i dig up for those that own or work on the liberty crd. craig c. craig c. wrote hi all i posted the following to the jeep ng but folks there dont really know much about the crd liberty or diesels in general. since i have such great success with getting answers to my ram crd questions in this ng i thought i would ask. tia craig c. ==*== hi all 2006 liberty limited 2.8l crd. the maintenance schedule says to inspect and replace as necessary the boost pressure solenoid air filter. i thought that perhaps this was just a fancy way of talking about the engine air filter. apparently these are two separate filters since they are mentioned separately in the maintenance schedule one right under the other. i looked up boost pressure solenoid air filter in the fsm and it doesnt say a damn thing about it except that a clogged one might cause boost pressure problems. anyone know what and where this filter is craig c. .

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From : joe

azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. because fwd cars are well known to have torque steer issues when high output engines are used. they just dont compete with rwd sports cars with everything else being equal. as do some rwd cars with a bunch of hp. .

From : joe

azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. because fwd cars are well known to have torque steer issues when high output engines are used. they just dont compete with rwd sports cars with everything else being equal. although gotta admit - awd is pretty cool. .

From : miles

on thu 21 jun 2007 192821 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote crag beryl wrote hardly a reason to choke gasp. plenty of reason! head technician for deltran gives wrong advice but ... it isnt wrong according to what you said just unnecessary. which makes it wrong advice. it doesnt come free it adds clutter. i think john ford simply decided he should sell you another battery tender when he heard you say eyelet on the phone. i would like to think that you went away from the group for a while in order to sharpen your wit. but if i thought that i would be wrong. you are still a moron sheryl. .

From : joe

crag beryl wrote hardly a reason to choke gasp. plenty of reason! head technician for deltran gives wrong advice but ... it isnt wrong according to what you said just unnecessary. which makes it wrong advice. it doesnt come free it adds clutter. i think john ford simply decided he should sell you another battery tender when he heard you say eyelet on the phone. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : miles

beryl wrote but ... it isnt wrong according to what you said just unnecessary. which makes it wrong advice. it doesnt come free it adds clutter. nope. wrong advice would be what snotard gives. you know the guy you were defending when you reared your ugly head in this group as i said and you ignored deltran very likely ran scores of tests and have a reason to recommend that configuration. just because your brain and expertise are too limited to understand it doesnt mean that its wrong. in my case i really dont care ... my truck only needs one but i can use two if i wish. my choice. no harm no foul. i think john ford simply decided he should sell you another battery tender when he heard you say eyelet on the phone. 1 i could return if i wished but i can use it for other things. 2 go here http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/grommet you will note that although not 100% descriptive in this case eyelet is a valid way to describe the part and it is a valid part name. not merely made up as you have hinted. now go fuck yourself. craig c. .

From : joe

azwiley1 wrote ok this is a performace inhibitor at least in some cases but it does not address the question as to why it can not be called a sports cars. there are performace inhibitors with rwds also but you didnt mention any of them why because overall a rwd performance car will out handle and out perform a fwd all other things being equal. currently there just isnt a way to make a fwd high powered performance car work. the only fwd performance cars i know of are all low end srt4 etc. cars where people arent very picky. .

From : bob m

azwiley1 wrote on jun 21 753 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote roy wrote as do some rwd cars with a bunch of hp. thats true but the problems of a bunch of hp and torque are easier to solve in a rwd car. same thing applies to a fwd miles. the right people with the right knowledge and abilities can correct a lot of the issues inherant to them. problem i see here is that there are to damn many closed minded and biased old bastards that still think we should be driving hot rodded lead sleds! bg as long as they have heated seats!! bob .

From : tbone

thedumbguy on thu 21 jun 2007 192821 -0700 beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote crag beryl wrote hardly a reason to choke gasp. plenty of reason! head technician for deltran gives wrong advice but ... it isnt wrong according to what you said just unnecessary. which makes it wrong advice. it doesnt come free it adds clutter. i think john ford simply decided he should sell you another battery tender when he heard you say eyelet on the phone. i would like to think that you went away from the group for a while in order to sharpen your wit. but if i thought that i would be wrong. thats correct. i guess you dont often get what youd like. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : bob m

roy wrote on jun 21 234 pm joe dri...@noon.com wrote azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on jun 21 131 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. yup. i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. larry ya gotta make up yer mind. is it what you said above or is it the definition from your other post no i dont have to make up my mind. a statement was made about there not being a specific definition of sports cars so i provided two different ones. no where did i ever indicate that they were my definitions. i dont see how anybody can call a car that weighs in excess of 4000 friggin pounds a sport car. you folks telling me that my charger srt is a damn sports car only if it had a 5 speed manual in it. g okay! vbg the z06 was a 6speed and after a few trips spending time in stop and go traffic for a hour it was getting old. now with the automatic in the charger i have the option of doing it myself or letting the trans do its thing. now that i think about it one trip to fl i never used cruise control until sc. shifting constantly for about 18 hours. it sucked. roy bob .

From : miles

anyone replaced theirs on a couple of forums via google search it seems that the spring weakens causing a loss in power. john .

From : roy

edith the truck /is/ a battery cable. tons of frame engine body and any other bit of metal that is electrically bonded to them. but you dont get it edith i understand. the amount of current that the frame can handle is substantially greater than what the cable connecting the post to the battery is capable of so in effect there is not 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries. true enough and the additional cable that graywacke believes in will also have less carrying capacity than the frame thats already in place. during the time of the electrical questions thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash it took me a few days to re-install the os drivers a few flash updates i had missed restore from backup etc. and you reinstalled outlook express! what a dink. you only needed to install the latest flash update not a few of them. got all your barnyard animal pics restored you dont know what a flash update is do you if you do you dont know there are lots of things that can be flash updated. my motherboards bios got flashed my modem got flashed my mp3 player got flashed... those kinds of flashes have nothing to do with recovering from a hard drive crash. how many devices i needed to update or the version i was starting at - some updates need a specific minimum version before you can install the next one. your insults are patheticley boring because you frequently make assumptions in your desire to be an ass. thanks! adobe flash was the reasonable assumption. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : bob m

edith beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote crag beryl wrote the response was that one *will* work. however *if* the second battery the one not hooked directly to the battery tender ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to the battery tender will smoke the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. thats a riot! you must have had nell nelson on the phone. actually it was john ford. head technician for deltran. he said that if i wanted to use only one battery tender the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. theres just no reason for additional cabling to reach the negative post of the other battery. both negative posts are grounded to the frame theyre functionally the same theres 5000 lbs. of steel connecting them. thats a heavy wire! theres 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries my god man! how heavy is the truck that carries that much weight for a battery cable the truck /is/ a battery cable. tons of frame engine body and any other bit of metal that is electrically bonded to them. but you dont get it edith i understand. the amount of current that the frame can handle is substantially greater than what the cable connecting the post to the battery is capable of so in effect there is not 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries. thought this was important enough to pass along. i certainly dont know jack shit about electrical so it all sounds greek to me. the industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries. maybe. i find it more interesting however that you waited until after tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. so i waited to see what kind of replies you got. that should hardly be more interesting graywacke. i was talking about batteries weeks ago with know nothing nell. during the time of the electrical questions thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash it took me a few days to re-install the os drivers a few flash updates i had missed restore from backup etc. and you reinstalled outlook express! what a dink. you only needed to install the latest flash update not a few of them. got all your barnyard animal pics restored you dont know what a flash update is do you if you do you dont know how many devices i needed to update or the version i was starting at - some updates need a specific minimum version before you can install the next one. your insults are patheticley boring because you frequently make assumptions in your desire to be an ass. at any rate i missed that whole discussion but read much of it tonight because of your self read it all edith. i want you to see how helpless and pathetic poor miscalculating nell was. professed knowledge on the subject in this thread. i noticed that you continue to make friends and sway opinion with your usual aplomb. so very astute edith. actually not. its no secret that im being an ass here. ive said so and explained why myself. you posted something about 2-6v golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12v batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an rv magazine but i doubt you understood the nature of the article. a standard automotive battery is also known as a starting battery. it is good for producing a lot of amperage for a short period of time so that it may turn the starter motor. a golf cart battery produces less amperage than a starting battery but it is capable of producing that reduced amperage for a much longer period of time as compared to a starting battery. that is why golf cart batteries are ideal for rv applications. that was not the nature of the rv magazine article. batteries in *series* are ideal for rv applications because they dont kill each other during extended periods of non-use so effectively that means 6-volters. it wasnt about golf cart batteries or forklift batteries or lighthouse batteries. i really do feel sorry for you beryl. you have a tremendous need to make an ass out of yourself in order to draw attention. i would suggest you get a dog got one! 126 lbs. of akita/rottweiler/pitbull mutt and friendly as heck. tore the end of my finger half off once when he darted after a rabbit and his leash yanked my hand across the front of my truck. but i think a cat may be more appropriate as a dog requires your attention and a cat requires little. all the animals here enjoy my attention edith! my parakeets day-old seed leftovers feed wild birds and rabbits. they know the routine they see me and they come a-runnin. the rabb

From : miles

on wed 20 jun 2007 175325 -0400 roy roy@home.net wrote i guess if you repeat a story long enough it becomes fact....in your mind anyway... wait a minute!! i used that line on you a couple of months ago!! get your own material. ya prick! gbmfg hmm... reaching way back i seem to remember a quote from a seminar that said perception becomes reality.. mac please remove splinters before emailing .

From : miles

$ri2.2515@fe5-win.ntli.net nobody wears knickers on my boat. not even the women. especially not the women! dp too small. damned things wont even work as a storm jib! no sense having them aboard as they serve no other use....c; larry -- pretty girl in the thrift shop held up a teddy and asked me if i thought it was cute. i responded its beautiful but if she were with me she wouldnt have it on over a few seconds so why bother.......c; .

From : miles

tbone wrote then it sounds like where you live is the exception. i see them on the road here as well but i see a lot more mustangs hell i see a lot more superdutys then chargers. i see far more chargers here than mustangs. but then i see far more dodges than fords in general here despite ford outselling dodge nationwide. depends on where you live. arizona is dodge country not ford. .

From : roy

on thu 21 jun 2007 035240 -0500 geekboy geeekdude@yeehoo.com wrote i just got back from vacation hauling the camper down to los angeles disney land and san diego zoo from billings montana. the scales at flyin j says we were just a couple hundred pounds shy of 23000 pounds total. i was a bit disappointed when pulling my camper back from texas but this time i have no complaints. since i had my family with me i didnt use as much accelerator and the truck just did fine. the looooooooong grade into baker california took some time but i was still passing the big trucks pulling the same hill. see http//inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=654 for trip pictures and details. what was disapointing about pulling from texas what is your configeration 6 speed 4.11 rear end with that much weight i would think so. your rig and 5th wheel are a nice setup. and the reasons you were passing trucks on the way to bakersfield the part of i-5 is very restrictive on speed limits on trucks and .... the trucks may only have about 2-3 times the torque of the 6.7l or 5.9 cummins in the dodge and may outweigh you by up to 55000 lbs figuring full tons and full load capacity in a box. if you want to get a better idea on how you should be able to climb a grade or what to expect check out the link below as it is based on physics involved. http//forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.phpt=45 ----------------- thesnoman.com .

From : tbone

crag beryl wrote choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. then why the added drama of choke gasp. just being a girl because ... the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. not because nothing would happen differently. and what are eye-lets is that girl-talk for ring connectors -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : joe

on 16-jun-2007 steve r. sarinaz@frontiernet.net wrote as always carfax the vehicle have an idependent shop go over it with a fine tooth comb never drive off without all issues documented and dates scheduled. i learned my lesson a long time ago. hope it works out for you... the following is from a complaint i just register with the bbb. if youve the carfax looked fine. one owner. carfax only shows when it is taken into a dealerhip. there many holes in a carfax report. btw carmax does not let you just drive it off to a shop besides it would take more than a day to have jaguar dealer look at it. thats just not going to happen. so carmax has all these points of certification theyre supposed to go through. most of these issues i didnt know were wrong untill i read the manual cover to cover. for example the hearests are ajustable and the motors were bad. the rear speakers werent working but the sub-woofers were. yet theres no fader nob. you need to go into the setup to get it to fade to real. with all the speakers in that car it all sounds like everthings fine until you try the fader. their policy is that if you dont finance or buy the car in full they keep it up for sale. theres no such thing as holding it with a deposit. or taking it to a jag dealer to chek it out. thats why they have all thes e guarantees in place. there was no way to make demands then have them fix it. i would still be paying the finance company for a car that they are taking their sweet time fixing. either way this is going to happen. all the best stephen -- posted via a free usenet account from http//www.tera.com .

From : azwiley1

edith beryl terrapin@coolbits.net wrote crag beryl wrote the response was that one *will* work. however *if* the second battery the one not hooked directly to the battery tender ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to the battery tender will smoke the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. thats a riot! you must have had nell nelson on the phone. actually it was john ford. head technician for deltran. he said that if i wanted to use only one battery tender the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. theres just no reason for additional cabling to reach the negative post of the other battery. both negative posts are grounded to the frame theyre functionally the same theres 5000 lbs. of steel connecting them. thats a heavy wire! theres 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries my god man! how heavy is the truck that carries that much weight for a battery cable the truck /is/ a battery cable. tons of frame engine body and any other bit of metal that is electrically bonded to them. but you dont get it edith i understand. thought this was important enough to pass along. i certainly dont know jack shit about electrical so it all sounds greek to me. the industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries. maybe. i find it more interesting however that you waited until after tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. so i waited to see what kind of replies you got. that should hardly be more interesting graywacke. i was talking about batteries weeks ago with know nothing nell. during the time of the electrical questions thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash it took me a few days to re-install the os drivers a few flash updates i had missed restore from backup etc. and you reinstalled outlook express! what a dink. you only needed to install the latest flash update not a few of them. got all your barnyard animal pics restored at any rate i missed that whole discussion but read much of it tonight because of your self read it all edith. i want you to see how helpless and pathetic poor miscalculating nell was. professed knowledge on the subject in this thread. i noticed that you continue to make friends and sway opinion with your usual aplomb. so very astute edith. actually not. its no secret that im being an ass here. ive said so and explained why myself. you posted something about 2-6v golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12v batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an rv magazine but i doubt you understood the nature of the article. a standard automotive battery is also known as a starting battery. it is good for producing a lot of amperage for a short period of time so that it may turn the starter motor. a golf cart battery produces less amperage than a starting battery but it is capable of producing that reduced amperage for a much longer period of time as compared to a starting battery. that is why golf cart batteries are ideal for rv applications. that was not the nature of the rv magazine article. batteries in *series* are ideal for rv applications because they dont kill each other during extended periods of non-use so effectively that means 6-volters. it wasnt about golf cart batteries or forklift batteries or lighthouse batteries. i really do feel sorry for you beryl. you have a tremendous need to make an ass out of yourself in order to draw attention. i would suggest you get a dog got one! 126 lbs. of akita/rottweiler/pitbull mutt and friendly as heck. tore the end of my finger half off once when he darted after a rabbit and his leash yanked my hand across the front of my truck. but i think a cat may be more appropriate as a dog requires your attention and a cat requires little. all the animals here enjoy my attention edith! my parakeets day-old seed leftovers feed wild birds and rabbits. they know the routine they see me and they come a-runnin. the rabbits here have become so tame that i can walk by and theyll usually only move a couple of feet so they dont get stepped on. ravens and squirrels like fruit. ever see ravens up close those birds are big! rattlesnakes get relocated. i dont want a cat. i trust what tom l. said about it and have followed that advice. hes not steered me wrong yet. then you arent trusting what john ford said right -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and

From : tbone

i just got back from vacation hauling the camper down to los angeles disney land and san diego zoo from billings montana. the scales at flyin j says we were just a couple hundred pounds shy of 23000 pounds total. i was a bit disappointed when pulling my camper back from texas but this time i have no complaints. since i had my family with me i didnt use as much accelerator and the truck just did fine. the looooooooong grade into baker california took some time but i was still passing the big trucks pulling the same hill. see http//inlinediesel.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=654 for trip pictures and details. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//glockcarry.com http//hipowertalk.com .

From : tbone

and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii yes and no. the plus of a srandard is less weight and maybe a couple of hp. it is not performance that i am talking about here but image and then there is the cost reduction. other than that the auto is more consistant and a heck of a lot easier in traffic. i agree but the standard shift is a hell of a lot more fun in sport driving situations and while you can make your auto do it to a degree as well you will be beating the shit out of it while a 5 speed is not as greatly affected. the auto in the srt8 will light the tires on a 1st-2nd shift so it shifts real firm. i guess with a low hp torque engine a standard might help it out some. that charger of yours is a true example of what im saying. it really is a kick ass car that can beat many performance cars but it doesnt sell worth shit. why is that well partly because they dont make a whole lot of them. you dont often see them sitting too long at a dealer. also there is a 2k gas guzzler tax on them. thats because the dealers dont order a whole bunch of them. the dealer by me had one for months but that was a while ago. they are selling faster now that people know how fast they are but they are still far from flying off of the floor and dc is still dissapointed with the sales numbers. because it is a boxy 4 door with nothing available but an automatic and doesnt exactly ring the cool bell for many. well the boxy 4 door will hold its own with anything in its price range. high 12s low 13s are nothing to sneeze at. thats about where most vettes run. other than the z06. i never said that it was slow. in fact i do recall calling it a kick ass car but is is still a boxy 4 door. when the new challenger was shown to the corporate idiots they were against it because it would require modifications to the assembly lines until a higher exec with a brain a rarity indeed pointed out the dismal sales of the charger and the soaring sales of the mustang. if you want to sell cars you have to give the people what they want even if it is simply a choice that many will never take. most of the best selling cars are offered with a standard shift especially the sport and sport styled ones. a car that is used for autox sure you want a standard but for day in day out use id rather the auto. i agree with you but we are talking about sports cars here or at least the appearance of sports cars. if thats the case the only sports car is the vette or porsch. i dont understand. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : tbone

roy roy@home.net wrote in and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii yes and no. the plus of a srandard is less weight and maybe a couple of hp. it is not performance that i am talking about here but image and then there is the cost reduction. other than that the auto is more consistant and a heck of a lot easier in traffic. i agree but the standard shift is a hell of a lot more fun in sport driving situations and while you can make your auto do it to a degree as well you will be beating the shit out of it while a 5 speed is not as greatly affected. the auto in the srt8 will light the tires on a 1st-2nd shift so it shifts real firm. i guess with a low hp torque engine a standard might help it out some. that charger of yours is a true example of what im saying. it really is a kick ass car that can beat many performance cars the hemi charger is a performance car. the srt8 is even moreso. but it doesnt sell worth shit. why is that dont know where you live but theyre extremely popular around here. tons of em on the road. then it sounds like where you live is the exception. i see them on the road here as well but i see a lot more mustangs hell i see a lot more superdutys then chargers. well partly because they dont make a whole lot of them. you dont often see them sitting too long at a dealer. also there is a 2k gas guzzler tax on them. because it is a boxy 4 door with nothing available but an automatic and doesnt exactly ring the cool bell for many. gotta wonder where you live. ive never heard of a hemi charger not being cool. that is more of a personal opinion but i dont recall it getting any specail attention for its stunning looks. well the boxy 4 door will hold its own with anything in its price range. high 12s low 13s are nothing to sneeze at. thats about where most vettes run. other than the z06. not too many cars can touch a hemi charger right out of the box especially in the price range. the srt8 is simply awesome. when the new challenger was shown to the corporate idiots they were against it because it would require modifications to the assembly lines until a higher exec with a brain a rarity indeed pointed out the dismal sales of the charger and the soaring sales of the mustang. if you want to sell cars you have to give the people what they want even if it is simply a choice that many will never take. most of the best selling cars are offered with a standard shift especially the sport and sport styled ones. thats nonsense. autos are the big sellers as far as volume. lol what you just said is nonsence. where did i say that standard shifts were the big seller as far as volume goes. what i said was that the bigger selling vehicles were offered with standard shifts not that the standard shifts versions outsold the autos. learn how to read. a car that is used for autox sure you want a standard but for day in day out use id rather the auto. i agree with you but we are talking about sports cars here or at least the appearance of sports cars. if thats the case the only sports car is the vette or porsch. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving corvettes and porsches are certainly sports cars but then you have a whole different thing when you talk about cars like miatas skys solstices etc. i dont consider them true sports cars but some do... they are not sports cars they are roadsters and while they could not touch the charger or mustang in a flat out run they can out handle them with ease. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote in tbone wrote and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii that is true but the avenger was never designed or marketed as a performance car. not in the 90s version and not now. its a sedan. that is simply not true. have you seen the commercial for it the guy is testing a bunch of them banging thru gears with their autosticks and making them play that song and why would he be doing that unless they are trying to show this as a performance vehicle the current avenger is a fwd weeniemobile. nothing about it is a serious performance vehicle. to address your question youre a victim of a successful marketing ploy. and you dont have a complete understanding of the thread. i never said that it was only that dc is trying to market it as such and i didnt fall for anything. even sports or performance cars today are sold over 80% autos. only a few want manuals. the problem is that few are the jones and if they dont buy them then the rest of the flock really doesnt either. serious enthusiasts go for the sticks; most other people go for the autos. except for base entry level weenieboxes automatics are standard equipment whereas a stick is optional. actually the automatic is almost always the option and at extra cost. the dealerships carry mostly automatics because they are easier to sell. the point is that the enthusiasts in many cases are the driving force behind sales especially with performance oriented vehicles and if they dont look neither does anyone else. how many corvettes do you see with manuals a hell of a lot more than automatics in the crowd that i hang with. most corvette drivers nowadays arent serious performance enthusiasts. theyre older guys who just want to be seen in one. that sounds like you dont like chevy. either way they are still offered with standard shifts just like the mustang. how many new mustangs take a trip to your local drag strip and tell me how many funny cars dragsters and even performance bracket racers are manuals these days. that is not the point. i am not arguing performance here only perception and both the mustang and the vette are offered with standard shifts. and theyre both offered with automatics too. most dealers stock automatics because thats what sells the most. you are just unable to see the point. these cars sell because they are thought of as cool to own and that is in some ways because the enthusiasts buy them first but if they ignore it..... there just isnt enough public demand for manuals except on low end models or in trucks. i do see manuals often in small sporty coupes. that is not as true as you might think and while the auto can in most cases outperform a standard in a flat out run a standard can easily keep pace and outperform the auto in winding hilly runs where downshifting the auto will cook it after a while and it is a hell of a lot more fun and what is the real purpose of a sports car anyway but to have fun. sticks are great on a course as you say but the percentage of people that buy them for that reason is inconsequential to makers and dealers. the vast majority of buyers will go for an automatic because it fits their lifestyle. while true to a point they still buy what they perceive as cool and if the car is ignored by the cool people..... -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : chris thompson

tbone wrote that is simply not true. have you seen the commercial for it the guy is testing a bunch of them banging thru gears with their autosticks and making them play that song and why would he be doing that unless they are trying to show this as a performance vehicle thats just a commercial. mitsubishi does has a commercial that kinda implies the lancer is a sports car. its nothing of the sort. to me theyre marketed as inexpensive sporty looking fun cars to drive. a 2.4l engine or the v6 is not performance by anyones standards. i never said that it was but the commercial indicates that it is. if it came with a 5 or 6 speed sales would increase. how many corvettes do you see with manuals a hell of a lot more than automatics in the crowd that i hang with. thats your crowd. the vast majority of vettes and mustangs sold the past few decades are automatics. they are sold that way because that is what most of the dealerships order because since anyone can drive them they are easier to sell and i dont recall ever saying that standard shift was more popular only that sport and performance cars need to have it available for them to be taken seriously. that is not the point. i am not arguing performance here only perception and both the mustang and the vette are offered with standard shifts. thats true but its a small market share. most of both those models are sold as automatics. once again miles you cant see the forest thru the trees. that is not as true as you might think and while the auto can in most cases outperform a standard in a flat out run a standard can easily keep pace and outperform the auto in winding hilly runs where downshifting the auto will cook it after a while and it is a hell of a lot more fun and what is the real purpose of a sports car anyway but to have fun. it only cooks an auto if an idiot keeps it in drive in hilly areas. you really dont seem to know a hell of a lot about cars if you believe that. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : roy

on jun 19 901 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on jun 19 526 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on jun 19 251 pm roy r...@home.net wrote on jun 19 826 am roy r...@home.net wrote going through this saturday morning at about 0700-0900. whats the story do i go around or straight through last time there was no problem at all. no traffic nada. let me know please. tia roy be a man and just take it right up the middle! bg ya ever try to take dc up the middle in traffic it sucks!! yes i have i lived in the beltway area for 4 years and worked in dc proper doing office relocation. the you know it sucks!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i dont disagree with you but damn man up! no wonder you will never get teh machine back from the wabbit! vbg you couldnt get the machine away from my wide ride buddy with the friggin jaws of life!!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - lol! hate to tell yall this but ole roy has had it for the last couple of years.....sneaky bastard.. denny huh it is been common knowledge that you hijacked the machine from mac when he was on his way to meet up with red. i guess if you want to deny it it is ok. but what the hell ya been doing out in the shed behind the barn for hours on end roy shootin bowling balls! ;^ mike .

From : roy

roy roy@home.net wrote in and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii yes and no. the plus of a srandard is less weight and maybe a couple of hp. it is not performance that i am talking about here but image and then there is the cost reduction. other than that the auto is more consistant and a heck of a lot easier in traffic. i agree but the standard shift is a hell of a lot more fun in sport driving situations and while you can make your auto do it to a degree as well you will be beating the shit out of it while a 5 speed is not as greatly affected. the auto in the srt8 will light the tires on a 1st-2nd shift so it shifts real firm. i guess with a low hp torque engine a standard might help it out some. that charger of yours is a true example of what im saying. it really is a kick ass car that can beat many performance cars the hemi charger is a performance car. the srt8 is even moreso. but it doesnt sell worth shit. why is that dont know where you live but theyre extremely popular around here. tons of em on the road. well partly because they dont make a whole lot of them. you dont often see them sitting too long at a dealer. also there is a 2k gas guzzler tax on them. because it is a boxy 4 door with nothing available but an automatic and doesnt exactly ring the cool bell for many. gotta wonder where you live. ive never heard of a hemi charger not being cool. well the boxy 4 door will hold its own with anything in its price range. high 12s low 13s are nothing to sneeze at. thats about where most vettes run. other than the z06. not too many cars can touch a hemi charger right out of the box especially in the price range. the srt8 is simply awesome. when the new challenger was shown to the corporate idiots they were against it because it would require modifications to the assembly lines until a higher exec with a brain a rarity indeed pointed out the dismal sales of the charger and the soaring sales of the mustang. if you want to sell cars you have to give the people what they want even if it is simply a choice that many will never take. most of the best selling cars are offered with a standard shift especially the sport and sport styled ones. thats nonsense. autos are the big sellers as far as volume. a car that is used for autox sure you want a standard but for day in day out use id rather the auto. i agree with you but we are talking about sports cars here or at least the appearance of sports cars. if thats the case the only sports car is the vette or porsch. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving corvettes and porsches are certainly sports cars but then you have a whole different thing when you talk about cars like miatas skys solstices etc. i dont consider them true sports cars but some do... .

From : joe

i go around or straight through last time there was no problem at all. no traffic nada. let me know please. tia roy be a man and just take it right up the middle! bg ya ever try to take dc up the middle in traffic it sucks!! yes i have i lived in the beltway area for 4 years and worked in dc proper doing office relocation. the you know it sucks!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i dont disagree with you but damn man up! no wonder you will never get teh machine back from the wabbit! vbg you couldnt get the machine away from my wide ride buddy with the friggin jaws of life!!- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - lol! hate to tell yall this but ole roy has had it for the last couple of years.....sneaky bastard.. denny huh it is been common knowledge that you hijacked the machine from mac when he was on his way to meet up with red. i guess if you repeat a story long enough it becomes fact....in your mind anyway... wait a minute!! i used that line on you a couple of months ago!! get your own material. ya prick! gbmfg i guess if you want to deny it it is ok. but what the hell ya been doing out in the shed behind the barn for hours on end reloading .45 acp and .38 specials .. bg a likely story. roy denny roy probably trying to build a jr machine... fmb north mexico . 222 336554 b7wdne-6top2mutbnz2dnuvzsoknz2d@comcast.com roy roy@home.net wrote in and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii yes and no. the plus of a srandard is less weight and maybe a couple of hp. it is not performance that i am talking about here but image and then there is the cost reduction. other than that the auto is more consistant and a heck of a lot easier in traffic. i agree but the standard shift is a hell of a lot more fun in sport driving situations and while you can make your auto do it to a degree as well you will be beating the shit out of it while a 5 speed is not as greatly affected. the auto in the srt8 will light the tires on a 1st-2nd shift so it shifts real firm. i guess with a low hp torque engine a standard might help it out some. that charger of yours is a true example of what im saying. it really is a kick ass car that can beat many performance cars the hemi charger is a performance car. the srt8 is even moreso. but it doesnt sell worth shit. why is that dont know where you live but theyre extremely popular around here. tons of em on the road. well partly because they dont make a whole lot of them. you dont often see them sitting too long at a dealer. also there is a 2k gas guzzler tax on them. because it is a boxy 4 door with nothing available but an automatic and doesnt exactly ring the cool bell for many. gotta wonder where you live. ive never heard of a hemi charger not being cool. well the boxy 4 door will hold its own with anything in its price range. high 12s low 13s are nothing to sneeze at. thats about where most vettes run. other than the z06. not too many cars can touch a hemi charger right out of the box especially in the price range. the srt8 is simply awesome. when the new challenger was shown to the corporate idiots they were against it because it would require modifications to the assembly lines until a higher exec with a brain a rarity indeed pointed out the dismal sales of the charger and the soaring sales of the mustang. if you want to sell cars you have to give the people what they want even if it is simply a choice that many will never take. most of the best selling cars are offered with a standard shift especially the sport and sport styled ones. thats nonsense. autos are the big sellers as far as volume. a car that is used for autox sure you want a standard but for day in day out use id rather the auto. i agree with you but we are talking about sports cars here or at least the appearance of sports cars. if thats the case the only sports car is the vette or porsch. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving corvettes and porsches are certainly sports cars but then you have a whole different thing when you talk about cars like miatas skys solstices etc. i dont consider them true sports cars but some do... .

From : miles

beryl wrote the response was that one *will* work. however *if* the second battery the one not hooked directly to the battery tender ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to the battery tender will smoke the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. thats a riot! you must have had nell nelson on the phone. actually it was john ford. head technician for deltran. he said that if i wanted to use only one battery tender the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended thought this was important enough to pass along. i certainly dont know jack shit about electrical so it all sounds greek to me. the industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries. maybe. i find it more interesting however that you waited until after tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. i trust what tom l. said about it and have followed that advice. hes not steered me wrong yet. craig c. .

From : roy

tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote in tbone wrote and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii that is true but the avenger was never designed or marketed as a performance car. not in the 90s version and not now. its a sedan. that is simply not true. have you seen the commercial for it the guy is testing a bunch of them banging thru gears with their autosticks and making them play that song and why would he be doing that unless they are trying to show this as a performance vehicle the current avenger is a fwd weeniemobile. nothing about it is a serious performance vehicle. to address your question youre a victim of a successful marketing ploy. even sports or performance cars today are sold over 80% autos. only a few want manuals. the problem is that few are the jones and if they dont buy them then the rest of the flock really doesnt either. serious enthusiasts go for the sticks; most other people go for the autos. except for base entry level weenieboxes automatics are standard equipment whereas a stick is optional. how many corvettes do you see with manuals a hell of a lot more than automatics in the crowd that i hang with. most corvette drivers nowadays arent serious performance enthusiasts. theyre older guys who just want to be seen in one. how many new mustangs take a trip to your local drag strip and tell me how many funny cars dragsters and even performance bracket racers are manuals these days. that is not the point. i am not arguing performance here only perception and both the mustang and the vette are offered with standard shifts. and theyre both offered with automatics too. most dealers stock automatics because thats what sells the most. there just isnt enough public demand for manuals except on low end models or in trucks. i do see manuals often in small sporty coupes. that is not as true as you might think and while the auto can in most cases outperform a standard in a flat out run a standard can easily keep pace and outperform the auto in winding hilly runs where downshifting the auto will cook it after a while and it is a hell of a lot more fun and what is the real purpose of a sports car anyway but to have fun. sticks are great on a course as you say but the percentage of people that buy them for that reason is inconsequential to makers and dealers. the vast majority of buyers will go for an automatic because it fits their lifestyle. .

From : tbone

beryl wrote choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. then why the added drama of choke gasp. just being a girl then you arent trusting what john ford said right i believe that john recommends the extra configuration for a reason. what that reason is is unknown to me and apparently you too. im sure they ran scores of tests on many different kinds of vehicles. however with my truck i trust tried and true cummins mechanics/fanatics more. like some of the members of this ng and my local mechanic. craig c. .

From : tbone

crag beryl wrote the response was that one *will* work. however *if* the second battery the one not hooked directly to the battery tender ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to the battery tender will smoke the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. thats a riot! you must have had nell nelson on the phone. actually it was john ford. head technician for deltran. he said that if i wanted to use only one battery tender the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. theres just no reason for additional cabling to reach the negative post of the other battery. both negative posts are grounded to the frame theyre functionally the same theres 5000 lbs. of steel connecting them. thats a heavy wire! thought this was important enough to pass along. i certainly dont know jack shit about electrical so it all sounds greek to me. the industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries. maybe. i find it more interesting however that you waited until after tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. so i waited to see what kind of replies you got. that should hardly be more interesting graywacke. i was talking about batteries weeks ago with know nothing nell. i trust what tom l. said about it and have followed that advice. hes not steered me wrong yet. then you arent trusting what john ford said right craig c. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : roy

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From : bob m

tbone wrote and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii that is true but the avenger was never designed or marketed as a performance car. not in the 90s version and not now. its a sedan. that is simply not true. have you seen the commercial for it the guy is testing a bunch of them banging thru gears with their autosticks and making them play that song and why would he be doing that unless they are trying to show this as a performance vehicle even sports or performance cars today are sold over 80% autos. only a few want manuals. the problem is that few are the jones and if they dont buy them then the rest of the flock really doesnt either. how many corvettes do you see with manuals a hell of a lot more than automatics in the crowd that i hang with. how many new mustangs take a trip to your local drag strip and tell me how many funny cars dragsters and even performance bracket racers are manuals these days. that is not the point. i am not arguing performance here only perception and both the mustang and the vette are offered with standard shifts. there just isnt enough public demand for manuals except on low end models or in trucks. i do see manuals often in small sporty coupes. that is not as true as you might think and while the auto can in most cases outperform a standard in a flat out run a standard can easily keep pace and outperform the auto in winding hilly runs where downshifting the auto will cook it after a while and it is a hell of a lot more fun and what is the real purpose of a sports car anyway but to have fun. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : snoman

john heinecke heinecke94@gmail.com wrote 1996 dakota 318 v8 172000 miles the problem i have is when the vehicle is cold sits overnight or for a couple hours i have to turn the key on and let the fuel pump run for a few seconds. if i dont it just turns over for a long time before it starts. i had a gm vehicle that did this and it was some kind of check valve in the fuel system that stops the fuel from running back into the tank. i was told on this dakota that the check valve i dont know if thats actually what its called is located in the tank with the fuel pump. i guess my question is this if i replace the fuel pump will this fix the problem or is the check valve another part that needs to be replaced im pretty sure this is the original fuel pump and the truck has 172000 miles so i wont mind replacing it if that will fix the problem. replacing the fuel pump is expensive and its not gauranteed to be any better. the shop manual has the spec for how long the system must hold its pressure and i think its only about 15 minutes. i bought my 95 dakota new and it has always been like yours. i just got used to turning the key to on waiting for the click then starting. -- e frank ball frankb@sonic.net thanks that was going to be my next question. i just went to the dealer and they made it sound like the fuel pump might not last another mile. the pump plus replacing it would be about $650. so tom l. i trust your advice is this check valve thing any kind of indication of the fuel pump itself or is it just the check valve if its just the check valve then im inclined to do the same thing as the other guy is doing. just another note i use this truck for driving around town and back and forth to work and the very occasional trip less than 150 mi one way. most of my trips i use my car. back and forth to work is a 2 mi round trip. tia john .

From : azwiley1

on jun 21 753 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote roy wrote as do some rwd cars with a bunch of hp. thats true but the problems of a bunch of hp and torque are easier to solve in a rwd car. same thing applies to a fwd miles. the right people with the right knowledge and abilities can correct a lot of the issues inherant to them. problem i see here is that there are to damn many closed minded and biased old bastards that still think we should be driving hot rodded lead sleds! bg .

From : roy

joe wrote although gotta admit - awd is pretty cool. thats true. awd in some sports cars works well. hmm...is my awd hemi durango a sports car .

From : miles

if you had both of those on the truck i would say you would have no problem doing 65+ up the hill. ....i think youre underestimating that hill. - nope. ive been up and down it many times. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : azwiley1

on jun 21 210 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote dont you mean thank god vice damn yes. that was part of the joke. hello earth to larry - craig c. sorry larry has stepped out of his body for a bit please leave a msg! .

From : azwiley1

tbone wrote then that would indicate a possible 15% increase in sales now wouldnt it but i think that it could go higher. it most certainly would not. and you know this how oh thats right you dont. a fair amount of those buyers may have purchased an automatic had a manual not been available. funny i thought that i said this as a reason for so few standard shifts being found on the lots. thanks for backing up my point. they may have bought the manual simply because it was much lower priced and not because they wanted a stick shift. lol yea miles thats a good reason for someone to buy a car that they probably dont know how to drive. thats why so many cars come with a stick only in the stripped base models. once again you prove your lack of knowledge. while this ay be one reason the more likely one is that the standard shift that comes with the bargin basement model is not strong enough to deal with the increased weight and hp of the upgraded models. this is the reason that you could not get the 1500 series ram with a 5 speed and the 360. no the automatics can be sold to anyone since anyone can drive them. it is not just a matter of demand it is a matter of faster sales and since many will just buy the automatic off of the lot rather than order it and wait but those who really want one will order it so they normally dont lose the sale by not carrying the standard shift in stock. hmmm..i said it was higher demand for automatics and you reply no...then explain to me how its demand...easier sales. you act as if there is no demand at all for standard shifts but said yourself that you searched for one multiple times. the demand is there and it is not as great as it is for the automatics but it is not non-existant either. there is a much greater chance of converting someone wanting a standard to an automatic then it is to convert someone wanting an automatic over to a standard shift so they stock mostely automatics. yes tbone people buy automatics because thats what they want and prefer. if more people wanted sticks then more would be on the lot. sorry but no. sticks cost less and that equates to lower profits. why would you make it easier to lose money since just about all of the dealers tend to stock the more expensive options there is no motivation to stock the cheeper ones. if people really want one of those they can order it. demand has little to do with it since most dealerships are heavy in autos and light to non-existant in standard shifts. tom this is because of higher demand for automatics!! you seem to think dealers stock what they want to sell and people follow. that is because that is exactly how it works. while there is a higher demand for automatics especially in the granny cars the demand is not 100% for them and yet dodge makes it damn hard to get anything but.... perhaps that is why they are # 4 or is it #5 now. no tom dealers stock what people want. dealers stock what they can move the easiest and sometimes that means telling the customer that is all that they can get or all they can get today and it is something that they can live with. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : miles

crag beryl wrote the response was that one *will* work. however *if* the second battery the one not hooked directly to the battery tender ever weakens more than the one that it is hooked to the battery tender will smoke the first battery trying to charge the weaker one. thats a riot! you must have had nell nelson on the phone. actually it was john ford. head technician for deltran. he said that if i wanted to use only one battery tender the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. choke gasp so are you saying that he is wrong tell us electrical expert what would happen if i hooked up the battery tender as john recommended nothing would happen differently whether you connect it his way or not. theres just no reason for additional cabling to reach the negative post of the other battery. both negative posts are grounded to the frame theyre functionally the same theres 5000 lbs. of steel connecting them. thats a heavy wire! theres 5000 lbs of steel connecting the batteries my god man! how heavy is the truck that carries that much weight for a battery cable thought this was important enough to pass along. i certainly dont know jack shit about electrical so it all sounds greek to me. the industry is obviously in desperate need of people who know something about parallel batteries. maybe. i find it more interesting however that you waited until after tom made his comments to come along and try to be an expert on the matter. so i waited to see what kind of replies you got. that should hardly be more interesting graywacke. i was talking about batteries weeks ago with know nothing nell. during the time of the electrical questions thread my computer suffered a hard drive crash it took me a few days to re-install the os drivers a few flash updates i had missed restore from backup etc. at any rate i missed that whole discussion but read much of it tonight because of your self professed knowledge on the subject in this thread. i noticed that you continue to make friends and sway opinion with your usual aplomb. you posted something about 2-6v golf cart batteries in series versus 2-12v batteries in parallel that you had read many years ago in an rv magazine but i doubt you understood the nature of the article. a standard automotive battery is also known as a starting battery. it is good for producing a lot of amperage for a short period of time so that it may turn the starter motor. a golf cart battery produces less amperage than a starting battery but it is capable of producing that reduced amperage for a much longer period of time as compared to a starting battery. that is why golf cart batteries are ideal for rv applications. i really do feel sorry for you beryl. you have a tremendous need to make an ass out of yourself in order to draw attention. i would suggest you get a dog but i think a cat may be more appropriate as a dog requires your attention and a cat requires little. i trust what tom l. said about it and have followed that advice. hes not steered me wrong yet. then you arent trusting what john ford said right craig c. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin b .

From : miles

sounds like a s&w m41 i have. had to send it back twice. once to get it to feed and not drop the magazine after each shot. second time was to get it to shoot under 3. the m41 is a custom shop gun as well. in modern fabrication that doesnt always mean what you think it does. what they mean and what you/we expect can be totally different. blessings john nathan it doesnt sound like the kimber was at fault but that they decided to make it more ammo friendly. i disagree completely. kimber was completely at fault. the weapon would not function period and since its stamped custom shop on the slide its supposed to mean that the weapon was handled by a custom gun smith. that it wouldnt cycle at all says they did a very poor job. keep in mind 1911s were designed for ball ammo. were you using hollow points while what you say is true i wasnt shooting an actual 1911 i was shooting a modernized clone that in fact doesnt even use the original bushing barrel setup. modern 1911 clones are indeed designed to function hollow points......if they werent they would have a dang hard time selling them. to answer your question however the weapon wouldnt feed anything reliably. the only round that would function even half way was the corbon powrball and even that was hit and miss. i tried blazer brass i tried wwb i tried american eagle all ball and it woudlnt cycle it. nor would it cycle hydrashoks or any other hollow point. i have literally dozens of 1911s and only 2 have been problematic. the kimber that went back and my colt combat commander xse which functions everything reliably except corbon jhps which happens to be my trusted carry round. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : miles

tbone wrote then that would indicate a possible 15% increase in sales now wouldnt it but i think that it could go higher. it most certainly would not. a fair amount of those buyers may have purchased an automatic had a manual not been available. they may have bought the manual simply because it was much lower priced and not because they wanted a stick shift. thats why so many cars come with a stick only in the stripped base models. no the automatics can be sold to anyone since anyone can drive them. it is not just a matter of demand it is a matter of faster sales and since many will just buy the automatic off of the lot rather than order it and wait but those who really want one will order it so they normally dont lose the sale by not carrying the standard shift in stock. hmmm..i said it was higher demand for automatics and you reply no...then explain to me how its demand...easier sales. yes tbone people buy automatics because thats what they want and prefer. if more people wanted sticks then more would be on the lot. demand has little to do with it since most dealerships are heavy in autos and light to non-existant in standard shifts. tom this is because of higher demand for automatics!! you seem to think dealers stock what they want to sell and people follow. no tom dealers stock what people want. .

From : miles

craig c. wrote i had a similar discussion with a guy i use to work with an indian that absolutely would not budge off of his position that to be considered a real sports car it had to be rwd. i dont consider a fwd a sports car as they just do not handle high torque as well as a rwd in steering. but i dont get bent out of shape of who calls what a sports car. everyone has their own opinions. .

From : roy

azwiley1 wrote miles you are only partially correct here. if you are refering to just the lance like the one they show in the commercial with the new paddle shifters yes it is a sporty looking but not a sports car. if you are generalizing the lancer this is where you are incorrect as the lancer evo is a sports car. since the lancer is built on the same platform as the caliber is the evo similar to the caliber srt4 which dodge keeps delaying its rollout i suppose the srt4 might be classified as a sports car as it does have a 300hp engine. but to me its a low end affordable fast car for those that cant afford a real sports car! its front wheel drive so i wonder how theyve dealt with torque steer issues. .

From : joe

on jun 18 614 pm dave jde2...@earthlink.net wrote my 97 ram radiator drain in leaking thru the small drip tube on the drain. i tried to tighten it but no luck... still drips. if i try to unscrew the plug after 1/4 turn there is some resistance to remove it. i dont want to break the thing off then have to replace the whole radiator! i think the o-ring is shot so i ordered a new one which ill pick-up tomorrow. is there a trick to getting the thing out i dont like surprises!! thanks in advance dave turn then pull down and turn if i recall was how i did it .

From : joe

on jun 21 234 pm joe dri...@noon.com wrote azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on jun 21 131 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. yup. i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. larry ya gotta make up yer mind. is it what you said above or is it the definition from your other post no i dont have to make up my mind. a statement was made about there not being a specific definition of sports cars so i provided two different ones. no where did i ever indicate that they were my definitions. i dont see how anybody can call a car that weighs in excess of 4000 friggin pounds a sport car. you folks telling me that my charger srt is a damn sports car .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote in on jun 21 234 pm joe dri...@noon.com wrote azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on jun 21 131 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. yup. i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. larry ya gotta make up yer mind. is it what you said above or is it the definition from your other post no i dont have to make up my mind. a statement was made about there not being a specific definition of sports cars so i provided two different ones. no where did i ever indicate that they were my definitions. lol! o-kay. .

From : azwiley1

on jun 21 252 pm azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on jun 21 240 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote joe wrote the s2000 is way more of a sports car than the mini. and thats even by larrys posted definitions.. once again those are not my definitions. i cited the sources for both and sorry to say neither are referenced as larrys. sorry joe follow along please. speaking of sports cars i just saw this and thought it was rather fitting for this thread. http//.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070620/aponreus/crushedhotrods .

From : craig c

on jun 21 234 pm joe dri...@noon.com wrote on jun 21 131 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. yup. i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. larry ya gotta make up yer mind. is it what you said above or is it the definition from your other post no i dont have to make up my mind. a statement was made about there not being a specific definition of sports cars so i provided two different ones. no where did i ever indicate that they were my definitions. .

From : joe

absolutely. the springfield ultra. i did a review on mine at http//1911talk.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=224 now that is a nice looking gun. im a big fan of the hogue grips. i have a set on my s&w 910. i really like them too. i put them on all of my 1911s that come with smooth front straps. it reminds me of a glock. this to me is its greatest asset. glock action/reliability with a proper grip angle. this may be opening me up for ridicule but i wasnt blessed with the biggest hands i have long ass fingers however - . a glock doesnt sit well in the palm of my hand. feels like its going to fly out when i shoot. have you held a glock 20 .45 or glock 21 10mm i would love to own either of them but cannot because my hands arent big enough for them. when i hold one it feels like im a little boy playing with daddys gun. if you have big hands this might be perfect for you. the mid-size glocks g17/g22/g31 fit my hand perfect.....i just dont much like the grip angles. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : joe

joe wrote the s2000 is way more of a sports car than the mini. and thats even by larrys posted definitions.. i think these folks might disagree with you http//www.mini7.co.uk/ those races are a riot to watch. craig c. .

From : joe

@svr13..prodigy.net azwiley1 wrote i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. me too. for some reason i just cant put any japanese car in that category. i suppose that the honda s2000 has just as much right to be considered a sports car as a mini cooper s. must be that bombing incident 65 years ago. - craig c. the s2000 is way more of a sports car than the mini. and thats even by larrys posted definitions.. .

From : joe

azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote in on jun 21 131 pm craig c. mcraig...@gmail.com wrote azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. yup. i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. larry ya gotta make up yer mind. is it what you said above or is it the definition from your other post .

From : craig c

beryl wrote hardly a reason to choke gasp. plenty of reason! head technician for deltran gives wrong advice but ... it isnt wrong according to what you said just unnecessary. additionally you still havent convinced me that you know more than he does. so at this point youre just running your mouth. its non-mechanic speak for ring connectors. you got the point and so did everyone else. so shut the fuck up. yup everyone recognized your pansy-speak for ring connectors. we all have our areas of expertise. mine is not auto mechanics or mechanic speak like 95%+ of the population. i guess we cant all be queer electrical mechanical grammatical experts like you. damn. craig c. .

From : azwiley1

thats great. that w/o od the entire time in 05 there is no od lock out. it still shifts into od only it changes the shifting supposedly to where it will only go into od when its safe to do so. the majority of the trip was in od. ive heard similar grumblings about kimber. i have a kimber ultra carry ii stainless. flawless weapon so far. although i have only put about 150 rounds through it. their qc has been up and down. when you have a good one you have a good one. when you have a bad one.... regardless with the negative experience im just hesitant to buy another. ive not checked into the springfields. do they have a carry model .45 i.e. compact frame and short barrel like the kimber ultra carry ii or eclipse pro carry ii absolutely. the springfield ultra. i did a review on mine at http//1911talk.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=224 definitely one of s&ws better guns. have you played with the s&w m&p yet its quickly becoming one of my favorites. see my review at http//concealedcarryforum.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=493 -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : craig c

@svr17..prodigy.net joe wrote what fwd is considered a sports car well a hand full come to mind that are awd but only one that i can think of that i personally would consider a sports car that is fwd. thats the mini cooper s. not so much for the power although its no slouch but the maneuverability. i took a test drive with the sales guy and ill never forget it. he took a 90 degree turn going 70 mph. the only skid marks were the ones in my underwear. it was amazing. yeah they are cool. but no way can it be called a sports car... btw ill agree 100% with you on the db9. the vantage and vanquish are no slouches either. yeah ... i wouldnt refuse one if it was given to me. - craig c. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote i see a sports car as something that was made to go fast and handle very well regardless of doors and drive train configuration. me too. for some reason i just cant put any japanese car in that category. i suppose that the honda s2000 has just as much right to be considered a sports car as a mini cooper s. must be that bombing incident 65 years ago. - craig c. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wrote is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. interesting observation larry. i imagine all subjects that are left up to each one of us to define for ourselves has a good chance of ending up being fought about at one point or another. craig c. .

From : craig c

crag beryl wrote then why the added drama of choke gasp. just being a girl because ... the proper way to hook it up was to hook the positive eye-let to one battery and the negative eye-let to the other battery. thus the need for the additional cabling. not because nothing would happen differently. hardly a reason to choke gasp. plenty of reason! head technician for deltran gives wrong advice about the need for additional cabling to hook up a battery charger. your trucks frame already *is* additional cabling leading to the negative post of the other battery. and what are eye-lets the connectors that connect directly to the battery. is that girl-talk for ring connectors its non-mechanic speak for ring connectors. you got the point and so did everyone else. so shut the fuck up. yup everyone recognized your pansy-speak for ring connectors. craig c. -- this explains it all!!! he was home schooled and his mommy made his ges diploma for him out of needle point to go with his pin head and needle dick. -- punkin .

From : joe

on jun 21 104 pm joe din...@six.com wrote on jun 21 1119 am roy r...@home.net wrote azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. i had a similar discussion with a guy i use to work with an indian that absolutely would not budge off of his position that to be considered a real sports car it had to be rwd. he consider the honda s2000 a real sports car because of this. i still get a good chuckle from that. wanna talk about a real sports car aston martin db9. that car gives me a chub. i would love to be able to get my hands on a porsche 911 cararra tt! wasnt there some sort of deal that a car had to have two seats only and so many horsepower per pound. or maybe cubic inches of displacement per pound to qualify as a sports car..- hide quoted text - maybe back in the late 60s and early 70s that was the case. you take the evo and it has as much or more power then some v-8 that are coming out today and pound for pound they are lighter. a true evo comes with a lot of carbon fiber and light weight panles already on it. if an evo is a sports car then whats a neon srt4 or even an omni glhs- hide quoted text - - show quoted text - i would class the srt4 in the same category as the evo and the wrx cant comment on the omni dont know anything about it. again though a car can be a sports car with 4 doors and fwd but hey you are free to feel/think as you like just as i and anyone else is. this is prob as bad a subject to discuss as politics and religion. .

From : joe

azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote in on jun 21 1119 am roy r...@home.net wrote azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. i had a similar discussion with a guy i use to work with an indian that absolutely would not budge off of his position that to be considered a real sports car it had to be rwd. he consider the honda s2000 a real sports car because of this. i still get a good chuckle from that. wanna talk about a real sports car aston martin db9. that car gives me a chub. i would love to be able to get my hands on a porsche 911 cararra tt! wasnt there some sort of deal that a car had to have two seats only and so many horsepower per pound. or maybe cubic inches of displacement per pound to qualify as a sports car..- hide quoted text - maybe back in the late 60s and early 70s that was the case. you take the evo and it has as much or more power then some v-8 that are coming out today and pound for pound they are lighter. a true evo comes with a lot of carbon fiber and light weight panles already on it. if an evo is a sports car then whats a neon srt4 or even an omni glhs .

From : joe

nathan it doesnt sound like the kimber was at fault but that they decided to make it more ammo friendly. keep in mind 1911s were designed for ball ammo. were you using hollow points john nice setup. i had no idea that billings the first couple of pictures was that scenic. in the right spots even billings is beautiful. how was your mpg pulling your trailer it varied but overall i averaged about 12.1 mpg. not bad at all considering the load and the grades i was pulling. i noticed that you are quite the 1911 fan ....you could say that. - kimber has a new new to me anyway model eclipse pro carry ii. wanted to know what you thought of it before i spend a bunch of money. my recent experience with kimber http//1911talk.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=164 left a bad taste in my mouth. im sure ill own kimbers again eventually but im a little gun shy with them right now. im sure they build a fine weapon and im sure i just got a bad one.....but i would steer you towards the springfield loaded champion. mine http//1911talk.com/forum/topic.asptopicid=324 has been absolutely flawless and seems to function no matter what ammo i run through it. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : joe

roy roy@home.net wrote in azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. i had a similar discussion with a guy i use to work with an indian that absolutely would not budge off of his position that to be considered a real sports car it had to be rwd. he consider the honda s2000 a real sports car because of this. i still get a good chuckle from that. wanna talk about a real sports car aston martin db9. that car gives me a chub. craig c. wasnt there some sort of deal that a car had to have two seats only and so many horsepower per pound. or maybe cubic inches of displacement per pound to qualify as a sports car.. i dont know that theres a specific definition but its probably easier to figure out what isnt a sports car. .

From : tbone

@svr17..prodigy.net azwiley1 wrote why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. i had a similar discussion with a guy i use to work with an indian that absolutely would not budge off of his position that to be considered a real sports car it had to be rwd. he consider the honda s2000 a real sports car because of this. i still get a good chuckle from that. wanna talk about a real sports car aston martin db9. that car gives me a chub. craig c. what fwd is considered a sports car btw ill agree 100% with you on the db9. the vantage and vanquish are no slouches either. .

From : azwiley1

azwiley1 wiley156@yahoo.com wrote in on jun 21 953 am joe dri...@noon.se wrote azwiley1 wiley...@yahoo.com wrote on jun 20 838 pm miles n...@nopers.com wrote tbone wrote that is simply not true. have you seen the commercial for it the guy is testing a bunch of them banging thru gears with their autosticks and making them play that song and why would he be doing that unless they are trying to show this as a performance vehicle thats just a commercial. mitsubishi does has a commercial that kinda implies the lancer is a sports car. its nothing of the sort. to me theyre marketed as inexpensive sporty looking fun cars to drive. a 2.4l engine or the v6 is not performance by anyones standards. miles you are only partially correct here. if you are refering to just the lance like the one they show in the commercial with the new paddle shifters yes it is a sporty looking but not a sports car. if you are generalizing the lancer this is where you are incorrect as the lancer evo is a sports car. i wouldnt consider the evo or the wrx sti evos main competitor sports cars by any means as they are both 4-doors and have their roots as fwds. the original american sports car is the corvette. why just because it is a fwd vice rwd has 4 doors vice 2 and is a ricer is it not a sports car i never saw/heard any of those being required to classed as a sports car. then whats your definition of a sports car the evo and sti are known as compact sport sedans. ill give you that back in the day only the us made sports cars and yes they were all almost at least manuals with only two doors but wake up and smell the coffee this is not back in the day anymore. wtf are you talking about back in the day as you say i certainly didnt there were a lot more sports cars than the corvette. dude you might want to have a few cups of that stuff yourself. these days makers marketing departments are doing their damndest in trying to convince potential buyers that weeniemobiles are sporty- cars or muscle-machines. unfortunately its still just marketing how is the evo and the wrx sti a marketing ploy please explain. theyre not. if youd have read you wouldve seen that i said the marketing ploys pertained to weeniemobiles. the evo and sti are the real deal. the lancer mentioned earlier in the commercial is the marketing ploy. though i personally dont care for either of them what they are able to do in both performance and handling right out of the box is far from a ploy. exactly. .

From : roy

tbone wrote i never said that it was but the commercial indicates that it is. if it came with a 5 or 6 speed sales would increase. highly doubtful. the calibers are available with a 5 speed but only account for about 15% of sales and only on the base models. then that would indicate a possible 15% increase in sales now wouldnt it but i think that it could go higher. manual transmissions are just not very popular. every single one of my cars from 1984 till 2000 were manuals and i struggled each time at the dealers to find one. no they werent out of stock because of high demand. the dealers stocked so few because they dont sell. people want automatics. no the automatics can be sold to anyone since anyone can drive them. it is not just a matter of demand it is a matter of faster sales and since many will just buy the automatic off of the lot rather than order it and wait but those who really want one will order it so they normally dont lose the sale by not carrying the standard shift in stock. they are sold that way because that is what most of the dealerships order because since anyone can drive them they are easier to sell yep. the public demands automatics far more than manuals. demand has little to do with it since most dealerships are heavy in autos and light to non-existant in standard shifts. recall ever saying that standard shift was more popular only that sport and performance cars need to have it available for them to be taken seriously. taken seriously ok so they produce a manual but it accounts for only 10% of sales of a particular model. does that make the public take it seriously even though they dont buy it with a stick yep because many of the trend setters are enthusiasts and in a sports car or roadster they are looking for the standard shift and if they dont buy them then the trend has a much harder time getting started. once again miles you cant see the forest thru the trees. no tom. fact is people prefer automatics. you seem to be saying that more cars of a given model will be sold if they simply have a manual available even though people wont buy it. in the sports car muscle car and roadster arena yep. it only cooks an auto if an idiot keeps it in drive in hilly areas. you really dont seem to know a hell of a lot about cars if you believe that. an auto cooks when it continually shifts up and down. a typical car will not cook climbing a hill if its held in the proper gear. were not talking about towing a heavy trailer with inadequate cooling here tom! no we are talking about sports cars and driving them as such where the gears are being used to control the cars speed and forcing the auto into lower gears at high speeds will cause excessive heat and is for the most part boring as well. -- if at first you dont succeed youre not cut out for skydiving .

From : azwiley1

http//forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.phpt=45 thanks for the link. how does that factor in gear ratios im guessing that is actuall rwhp -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : joe

i have an 07 dodge ram 1500 when i hit the remote start button the horn honks and the lights flash but it wont start. i was told that their may be a reset or a fuse i could check before taking it to the dealer. does anyone know of this thanks. .

From : craig c

what was disapointing about pulling from texas what is your configeration 6 speed 4.11 rear end 4 speed automatic 3.73 gears. when i hit some of the grades in colorado the truck would slow and downshift and slow and downshift. it was disappointing because i was trying to maintain highway speeds and it wasnt happening. unrealistic expectations on my part i guess. that there is your problem. if i had a 3500 i would have the 4.11 rear end and 6 speed transmission. 4.11 does not increase load capability but it does make it easier to tow heaver loads. also a 6 speed would increase the load capability by i think by 4-5000 lbs. if you had both of those on the truck i would say you would have no problem doing 65+ up the hill. with that much weight i would think so. .......i wish. - im still looking into adding an underdrive setup. your rig and 5th wheel are a nice setup. many thanks. the part of i-5 is very restrictive on speed limits on trucks and .... most of the big trucks were down to 20 mph or so by the time they topped the grade. i was running about 40 when i topped it and i wasnt beating my truck up to do it so i was happy with it. i towed up that hill in a 1500 with the v6. that engine is way too small for the truck but i had a 5 speed manual and i was still able to hit 35. so yes better trans makes a difference. -- nathan in montana http//concealedcarryforum.com http//1911talk.com http//hipowertalk.com http//glockcarry.com http//inlinediesel.com .

From : azwiley1

on thu 21 jun 2007 100620 -0600 nathan w. collier no@way.com wrote thanks for the link. how does that factor in gear ratios im guessing that is actuall rwhp no it is based on projected flywheel hp needs. where gear ratio comes in is that with a deeper axle ratio the engine runs at a higher rpm in any given gear and therefore has more hp avaible since hp equals torque times rpm divided by 5252. or do do it in reverse to find out how much torque is needed at what rpm to make required hp simply take required hp times 5252 and then divid it by rpm and you will see how much engine torque is needed to make the desire hp needed for the climb in question. below are two more link the first should the relation ship between torque and rpm to make required hp and the second shows drive shaft torque required with variuos gear ratios. http//forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.phpt=72 http//forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.phpt=48 one more link if you are curious is the amount of chassis counter twist that is place on motor mounts when climbing a grade. http//forum.snoman.com/viewtopic.phpt=49 ----------------- thesnoman.com .

From : joe

i had a similar problem with a deal installed alarm. it took 5 trips back to the dealer to fix the problem. i thought that the problem was a high-resistance connection in their installation. they replaced the alarm unit 3 times or so they claim. my problem seemed to be when i parked overnight and the truck sat in the sun all day long the alarm would go off when i tried to use the keyless entry. i would have to disconnect both batteries 06 2500 ctd to reset the alarm. i have an 07 dodge ram 1500 when i hit the remote start button the horn honks and the lights flash but it wont start. i was told that their may be a reset or a fuse i could check before taking it to the dealer. does anyone know of this thanks. .

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From : bob m

on tue 19 jun 2007 121333 -0400 tbone tbonenospam@nc.rr.com wrote and for some reason dodge has forgotten that. cars become cool when the cool people own them and sadly most of the cool people will not even look if a standard shift is not available. then there is also the thought that if the car is not available with a standard shift then it really isnt much of a performance car and is just a wanna be much like the mustang ii dodge has bigger problems. they need to convince the public that they are going to still be around in a few years now that corperate raiders own them. i would hate to see them go under but things do not look good unless its workers accepts some serious concessions and reduce labor costs to save capital to be used to help turn them around and keep them off the auction block. daimler paid 500 million to unload them after that monies for sale were distributed and you do not spend that amount to unload something unless there is a lot more red ink in the pipeline and you are cutting your losses. ----------------- thesnoman.com .